Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 523： The Threat Of Unelected Bureaucrats

00:00:00.000 this is what you're fighting for I mean every day you're out there what they're doing is blowing

00:00:11.660 people off if you continue to look the other way and shut up then the oppressors the authoritarians

00:00:19.400 get total control and total power because this is just like in Arizona this is just like in

00:00:24.860 Georgia it's another element that backs them into a quarter and shows their lies and

00:00:29.300 misrepresentations is why this audience is going to have to get engaged as we've told you this is

00:00:33.580 the fight all this nonsense all this spin they can't handle the truth war room battleground here's

00:00:40.620 your host Stephen K Bannon okay welcome to the six o'clock show I want to thank real America's

00:00:48.040 voice I want to thank the team down at Palm Beach at the studio Natalie great show um Mo Bannon Captain

00:00:53.300 Bannon has been representing war room uh and myself in Hungary for the last couple days CPAC Hungary

00:00:58.960 another great event they allowed me to do a short uh talk that we did by video uh to tee her up uh

00:01:06.240 great speech Mo I have not yet begun to fight I know you were there on the day of uh Victor Orban

00:01:11.920 uh just give it give us your put us in the room give us a sense of the community that's coming around

00:01:17.620 what I call the sovereignty movement or the populist nationalist movement what was the feel at this uh

00:01:23.020 CPAC Hungary the the feeling was a lot of camaraderie as we saw there there were many leaders from not

00:01:32.260 only Europe but South America and also the United States and the main theme that we saw in everyone's

00:01:39.400 speeches was that we cannot let the globalists win we cannot let the left globalists liberals win in any of

00:01:48.040 our countries we must continue to fight for sovereignty and for conservative conservatism in

00:01:55.560 each one of our countries we cannot let those on the left the globalists win and destroy our countries

00:02:03.080 Mo how big did they take the American presidential election the the house obviously the third of the

00:02:10.660 senate but particularly the president in November how how big is in this movement how much weight are

00:02:16.440 they putting on what because I know they have the European parliamentary elections in June which are

00:02:20.040 important and we're going to we're covering it wall to wall but how big is the center of gravity of our

00:02:25.360 fight here in the United States it's extremely extremely important to those members here in Hungary and

00:02:35.260 across Europe because they know they've seen what's happened under Joe Biden in the last few years and if

00:02:41.600 Donald Trump does not get back in the White House they see what is going to happen not only for the

00:02:46.740 United States but for all of our relationships across Europe so it is extremely important not only for

00:02:52.440 their parliamentary elections here in Hungary but also for our presidential election in November they

00:02:58.300 understand that we must must have Donald Trump back in the White House you had a quick meeting I know you

00:03:05.500 met with the Bolsonaros tell us give any update on Brazil because they're there you know they're coming

00:03:10.040 on on Bolsonaro the ex-president who was stolen from him but they're coming down on him hard I know

00:03:17.840 Eduardo was there any updates from Brazil so they are going to continue to fight they're not going to let

00:03:24.260 down and as of right now we are tracking that CPAC will also have an event in Brazil in the next few months

00:03:33.340 over the summer so we will know more about that in the next few weeks but the Bolsonaros are going to

00:03:39.520 continue to fight in fact I think we're sending you and the team to Brazil into Mexico if we can

00:03:46.560 commit if we if Lula let either a let abandon in the country or more importantly let you out of the

00:03:51.880 country Mo what's your social media how do folks keep up to date with uh going on by the way um Ben

00:03:57.440 Burquam tomorrow Saturday we're going to do the freedom conference they're having in Romania Ben will

00:04:03.160 join us Mo and the team are coming back we got a lot of work to do here where do people get you on

00:04:07.440 social media they can find me on Twitter and get her at Maureen underscore Bannon and also on Instagram

00:04:13.320 at real Maureen Bannon and I will proudly represent the war room at all CPACs across the world as long

00:04:21.040 as I'm let in and out of the country yeah maybe easier get you in then get you out okay uh Captain

00:04:27.880 Bannon continue on in your networking over there uh thank you for doing this and great speech

00:04:33.120 thank you remember Dr. Kevin Roberts lit him up at the World Economic Forum in Davos he threw down and

00:04:41.540 told Davos man hey no offense uh I look around all the world's problems and uh you're the cause of most

00:04:47.900 of it they were kind of shocked we're gonna see if he gets an invite next year uh I got a cold open

00:04:52.740 for Dr. Roberts who joins us from Heritage let's go ahead and play it former president's bid to

00:04:57.060 return to the White House he's been laying the groundwork for what another term in office might

00:05:01.080 look like primarily how he plans to execute his goal of overhauling the federal government and

00:05:05.400 rid Washington in the so-called deep state CNN's Kyung La investigated some of the former president's

00:05:10.920 promises and the impact they may have here's what she found

00:05:14.160 at every 2024 campaign rally for former president Donald Trump

00:05:21.160 he makes a vow we will demolish the deep state we will demolish the deep state we will demolish

00:05:29.180 the deep state the deep state is his named enemy federal workers who Trump believes conspire

00:05:35.360 against him here's my plan to dismantle the deep state and reclaim our democracy from Washington

00:05:40.860 corruption Trump's 10-point plan in his campaign website outlines sweeping changes he wants to

00:05:46.400 make to government agencies faceless bureaucrats will never again be able to target and persecute

00:05:52.100 conservatives Christians or the left's political enemies the end result would erase federal worker

00:05:58.360 protections that have been in place for more than 140 years eliminate entire departments and

00:06:04.200 consolidate power around Trump to understand the impact of what could happen in Trump's

00:06:10.840 second term you only have to look at his first I will immediately reissue my 2020 executive order

00:06:18.960 restoring the president's authority to remove rogue bureaucrats that executive order he signed just before

00:06:25.580 losing the 2020 election turns government jobs into political appointments giving the Trump administration

00:06:31.500 the power to fire employees at will and replace them with loyalists making them according to this federal

00:06:38.100 report subject to removal for partisan political reasons do you want people doing scientific research

00:06:44.220 of the nuclear regulatory commission who don't have the qualifications to perform that kind of work

00:06:48.900 their only qualification is an allegiance to the Trump agenda Jacqueline Simon represents a large

00:06:54.440 government employee union she says the expertise of government workers can't be replaced on a political

00:06:58.920 whim once that kind of stuff is politicized let's say you deny a disability claim based on somebody's

00:07:05.460 politics how do you feel as you think about what the federal workforce could look like

00:07:10.440 it's very disheartening and it's it's scary I think that there will be a massive exodus of competence

00:07:19.460 I do think that this is in part an effort to weaponize the bureaucracy lifelong Republican Robert

00:07:25.580 Shea was a political appointee under President George W. Bush he believes politics should be kept

00:07:30.280 out of the federal workforce no matter who is in the White House I would expect to see wide swaths of

00:07:37.460 civil servants removed from their positions and replaced with people more loyal to President Trump

00:07:45.340 do you read this as a loyalty test I do these documents obtained by the National Treasury Employees

00:07:51.940 Union show the Trump administration plan to cut deep one agency proposing almost 70 percent of his

00:07:58.700 positions should become political appointments by claiming they deal with policy IT specialist data

00:08:06.080 management budget information support manager we read the jobs list to former Obama era OMB official

00:08:13.220 Kenneth Baer so why would you make all these positions political appointees because that's what

00:08:18.700 they want to destroy the independent objective civil service that's why I think it would really

00:08:22.960 fundamentally weaken the American government but also American democracy if we got rid of that career

00:08:29.060 staff the deep state must and will be brought to heel it's but that's only part of what Trump appears

00:08:36.440 to have in store move parts of the sprawling federal bureaucracy to new locations outside the Washington

00:08:43.680 swamp to places filled with patriots who love America this this goes on CNN actually did a good job in

00:08:52.380 in presenting it in a very political way Dr. Kevin Roberts uh who is kind of the head of the 20 project

00:08:59.760 2025 you know since we started talking about this I think over a year ago I don't think it's any project

00:09:05.820 or any endeavor on an outside group that we've brought up except for maybe the precinct strategy

00:09:10.860 that causes them almost a deep traumatic response why is that doctor because they they always spin it with

00:09:18.740 lies but what is the trauma you can tell they've got people when you they mention this they go to like

00:09:24.000 PTSD why is project 2025 which is just to take the 3 000 appointees any president gets and make sure

00:09:32.100 people are trained and you curate and the best people can get in there why is even the ability to do

00:09:37.520 that cause fear in the hearts of all of DC it's glorious to see the trauma Steve and it happens for two or

00:09:46.460 three reasons the first is the first is they know we're over the target like we have it's taken us

00:09:52.500 decades but we've figured out that even more important than particular elected officials in

00:09:58.000 Congress obviously the elected official known as the president's the most important that the people

00:10:02.560 who are actually running the government against the interests of the everyday American are these

00:10:08.300 unelected bureaucrats and you know I'm certainly guilty of this I'm not pointing fingers at anyone

00:10:12.840 elsewhere for most of my professional career I just didn't realize the extent of that problem you

00:10:17.460 were probably the first mover in this right but the second is we actually have a plan I mean they can't

00:10:23.360 believe that the conservative movement the sovereignty movement whatever you want to call it in the United

00:10:28.760 States actually has gotten organized enough to bring together every group that matters that actually

00:10:35.280 does something rather than just talk about doing something and present the plan and then the third is

00:10:40.600 and this is also equally surprising to them it's extraordinarily bold and so I agree with CNN believe

00:10:47.400 it or not when they say we need to keep politics out of government jobs that's the precise reason for

00:10:53.300 project 2025 is to get the politics out of government jobs

00:10:56.820 talk to me about about because they're saying they're there that destroyed the U.S. government it's all the

00:11:03.620 U.S. government there's a difference between having our government which is the apparatus around our

00:11:09.500 republic and the administrative state this thing has metastasized the administrative state and the

00:11:14.840 rogue element the deep state but can you just compare and contrast for audience the difference

00:11:18.160 between actually having a functioning government and what has metastasized into this administrative

00:11:23.220 state I will and in fact I'll I'll do this following your lead with this question which is

00:11:29.160 instrumental because it is crucial people may hear the framing of CNN or some of the the commentary of

00:11:36.400 their guests and think well gosh you know project 2025 or president Trump want to get rid of competence

00:11:41.740 in the government that sounds terrible in fact what we're trying to do is get rid of incompetence

00:11:46.220 and terrible political partisan bias that to the point of your question have become commonplace over the

00:11:53.180 last several decades in other words to be succinct about it Steve what we're trying to do is just hit a reset

00:11:59.340 which is to say that for those of us who understand that there is of course a place for the executive

00:12:04.940 branch and we understand therefore there is a place for a handful of federal government employees

00:12:11.380 we simply want to get back to not just a much smaller number of government employees but most

00:12:17.560 importantly to two things first of all if you work in the executive branch just like if you work in

00:12:23.480 another company or in a non-profit say at Heritage you work for the president of that organization

00:12:28.780 that's really common sense for Americans and it's in the best interest of that president the best

00:12:33.840 interest of that organization in this case the federal government to hire people who are extremely

00:12:38.780 competent at their jobs there just needs to be fewer of them but the second point I would argue is

00:12:43.660 equally important and that is at the origin of the administrative state becoming so large and so

00:12:50.500 powerful and so unaccountable is political cowardice and it's political cowardice by the main branch the first

00:12:58.140 branch of the U.S. government and that's Congress the administrative state and all of its abuses is a

00:13:04.240 creation of members of Congress over many decades in both parties frankly who have simply given away the

00:13:11.920 accountability given away the authority that they properly have in the Constitution to these unelected

00:13:17.900 bureaucrats so that they themselves would not have to be politically accountable for what happens it is time in

00:13:24.900 essence and to sum up here for the United States to get back to a proper role for the executive branch

00:13:31.100 and that's really all this is

00:13:32.740 I want to before I go on to some other topics I want to make sure because we we pride ourselves in immersing

00:13:39.700 or giving access for the posse to immerse themselves in information

00:13:44.760 on project 2025 where you've got this amazing 900 page policy book but I want people to get access to

00:13:51.360 all of it because you're not trying to play hide the football in any of this so where do people go

00:13:54.500 to find out more about the truth about what's actually going on project 2025.org you can see

00:14:01.220 every word of the document there if you're so inspired you can as 10,000 other Americans have already done

00:14:07.720 submit your resume to work in the next administration the whole point of this project as you say so well

00:14:13.420 Steve isn't to hide the football quite the opposite it's to be so totally transparent which comes

00:14:18.640 out of the complete confidence we have and these eternal principles and policies that it actually

00:14:24.120 even beyond just the the work itself which is explained at project 2025.org actually becomes an

00:14:31.340 inspiration for Americans to believe that maybe just maybe we might have a decade or more of real

00:14:39.440 great policies that also the administrative state can be part of

00:14:43.060 it's what MAGA stands for so everybody go there today project 2025.org it is incredible the amount

00:14:52.200 of tools they give you the information okay two things you talk about cowders I want to talk about what

00:14:57.340 I call this red green merger the radical what's happening on the university campus driven by this

00:15:02.440 faculty and I got to talk about my favorite topic Ukraine let's start with the college campuses

00:15:06.980 this is one of the most serious I say it's the most anti-american movement I've ever seen of the

00:15:12.740 radical Marxist left with these Sharia supremacists give us you come from academia give us your I say

00:15:19.600 the problems in the faculty senate and in the administration the kids are a symptom of the

00:15:23.980 problem your thoughts sir yeah a couple of things the first is just it comes from experience and you

00:15:29.580 know 20 years ago or so I was a young history professor at a major university in the southwest on the

00:15:35.420 tenure track everything going well professionally and I realized something I mean I saw the following

00:15:40.480 in graduate school but I realized I guess the pervasiveness of this something and that was

00:15:44.400 these people are crazy the faculty members my colleagues they actually hate America and and the

00:15:49.880 story that I'll convey that I think your audience will appreciate is in the year that President Reagan died

00:15:54.700 my colleagues in this history department decided they were going to hold a symposium that would assess

00:15:59.780 Reagan's legacy of course I was the only Christian conservative member of this faculty and I was not

00:16:06.720 yet tenured so I was taking a big risk by doing the following and I said well there were four of you

00:16:11.500 talking about his legacy I'm going to volunteer to be part of this symposium so the only other person

00:16:17.320 on the faculty I could get to join me wasn't even a conservative he was a libertarian economist

00:16:21.820 and he said Kevin I gotta I gotta help you out here brother I'm gonna join this symposium they

00:16:27.460 canceled it they could take on an untenured history professor four to one but they couldn't take on

00:16:32.900 two of us challenging them that's the point even though they have run roughshod over these institutions

00:16:39.360 and it's terrible trust me I think it's the the worst thing it's the it's the most terrific or horrific

00:16:45.260 problem we have to face in the United States ultimately if they are matched by just a small handful of

00:16:51.760 people particularly university presidents and board members who challenge them and say they may not do

00:16:58.800 what they're doing they actually will stand down and that leads me to the second quick point Steve

00:17:03.160 and that is I was I was asked yesterday by some friends in Austin about my alma mater the University

00:17:07.680 of Texas where the president I think has acquitted himself well and they said Kevin if you were president

00:17:12.760 of the University of Texas something I don't aspire to be they said how would you handle the faculty

00:17:18.260 who signed the letter who said that they support the even violent protests of some of these these

00:17:24.980 activists and I said fire them and their response was well what about tenure and I said you see that's

00:17:31.460 exactly the point it is past time in this country to realize that these academics have taken over our

00:17:37.120 institutions that's bad enough but what makes it worse what completely aggravates the problem

00:17:42.740 once again is cowardice cowardice of university presidents cowardice of boards of regents cowardice

00:17:49.640 of state legislators and governors in so many states who just look the other way and if in addition to

00:17:55.280 project 2025 and the administrative state if we have a chance of taking back this country it isn't just

00:18:01.220 going to be in elections it isn't just going to be in the halls of administrative agencies in DC it is going

00:18:07.460 to start in the halls of our universities where the taxpayers and common sense people say we've had

00:18:13.600 enough you're not doing this on our dime teaching our kids and grandkids to hate this country we love

00:18:18.600 what would you tell the donors a lot of the donors come to me and they say they're going to cut off

00:18:23.660 the donate I know a lot of these guys particularly some of the hedge fund guys we're going to cut off

00:18:27.000 the donations I said that's not good enough you guys have kind of underwritten this for decades and

00:18:31.480 decades and decades and you want to look the other way what would you tell donors they have to do

00:18:35.360 with the money what what would be the Dr. Kevin Roberts plan of actually taking on this problem

00:18:40.680 yeah you're you're very right it's not enough just to turn off the spigot although that's good and that

00:18:45.820 more people are doing that it's that you actually need to pool the money because keep in mind the other

00:18:50.160 side is always better resource than we are and you need to invest it in new institutions you need to

00:18:55.480 invest it in fellowships and centers and places that actually are relatively conservative heritage can help

00:19:02.360 you with that and by saying that Steve I'm not asking for heritage to get that money I want to

00:19:06.780 direct that money to new institutions of higher learning that actually are standing as bulwarks

00:19:12.200 against this nonsense but I want to go one step farther if I may and say just the money isn't

00:19:18.580 enough just turning off the spigot isn't enough even doing what I just said and helping new institutions

00:19:23.260 like the University of Austin Hillsdale College this the number of colleges like the one that I led

00:19:29.160 Wyoming Catholic College who don't take federal student loans and grants we have to do a third

00:19:33.600 thing that a lot of members of the donor class find a little distasteful and that's calling in the

00:19:39.660 chits that they have because they might also be political donors to governors to members of state

00:19:45.160 legislatures and saying I want a majority of the board of regents of that school or that university

00:19:51.620 system to be comfortable taking over that institution just like what DeSantis did with new college

00:19:58.140 if we stop short of that step we're missing the most important lesson about this this march through

00:20:05.440 the institutions by the left and that is we can't compromise with them we have to go to battle and

00:20:10.640 take back these schools governor DeSantis and Rufo on new college brilliant move um today all the

00:20:18.740 news coming out from from the economy slowing down of the the massive overspending cadence and infusion

00:20:24.840 only getting us 1.6 percent growth a total disaster but on top of that reports our defense budget is

00:20:31.120 going to a trillion dollars in this budget cycle and we're still doing 100 billion dollar supplements

00:20:36.120 particularly to Ukraine you've been one of the leaders in the rational response to Ukraine talk to

00:20:41.860 me about your thoughts right now where do we stand you know in short before I get into some details

00:20:47.920 about how bad the situation is we completely to fail we completely continue to fail miserably

00:20:54.420 at prioritizing our interests by that Steve I mean prioritizing our interests abroad Taiwan frankly

00:21:01.860 if they're invaded by the Chinese Communist Party is a much bigger direct threat to us than whatever

00:21:07.180 happens to Ukraine even though I definitely want the Ukrainians to win but secondly priorities

00:21:12.340 internally I mean to to your point about the defense budget going to a trillion dollars it may be that

00:21:17.900 a trillion dollars is the right amount of money it may be that 25 percent less than that is the right

00:21:23.000 amount of money how would we know because the lack of conversation in Congress born out of this

00:21:29.160 political cowardice doesn't allow us to have those conversations and I'll give you one example from a

00:21:35.380 recent trip that I took to Taiwan it's it's so apparent to me and to the the military experts at

00:21:41.300 that the huge investments we're making in the United States military might actually be the wrong ones

00:21:48.380 we clearly need to build more ships something I think you would appreciate but the thing that's

00:21:53.460 happening is that we're not investing in the new weapon systems that actually will be the next round

00:21:59.180 of warfare and and why is that Steve not just because of the political cowardice in Congress about

00:22:04.820 even having this conversation but because the the companies that get enriched by this are blocking

00:22:11.040 the new inference with all of the innovations into the business which leads me to Ukraine what in

00:22:16.640 fact is the strategy for ending the war has President Biden said so has my friend Mike Johnson said so

00:22:23.400 the best answer that I can get from all of these advocates for continuing to spend a ridiculous amount

00:22:29.160 of money in a war that Ukraine does not have a sufficient number of soldiers to win is to get the Russians out

00:22:36.040 that's not going to happen I I lament that I mean for those of you who who are proponents of of spending

00:22:43.340 money on on Ukraine don't shoot the messenger but the reality is they don't have the men we've been

00:22:49.240 terrible at even delivering the munitions with it we suppose and all of this points to the same problem

00:22:54.640 here which is that all of this is a symptom of a republic that may be in decline and if it isn't yet in

00:23:01.600 decline we're close to it because we continue to do ridiculous things that bear very little fruit and

00:23:08.420 in fact a lot of the fruit is very rotten so to sum up here there's only one thing that's going to fix

00:23:13.360 this and that is for conservative members of the House and the Senate to listen to the popular will

00:23:20.940 three quarters of the American people say we've spent too much money on Ukraine and the interesting

00:23:26.860 thing is it's not that they want Ukraine to lose it's that they expect our policymakers to put their

00:23:32.360 interests first say for example by doing what the speaker told us he promised us he would do in January

00:23:38.940 which is not even have a conversation about Ukraine until we had secured the southern border

00:23:43.980 something that obviously has not happened

00:23:46.260 dr. Roberts in conclusion you know a majority the majority did vote against it the 112

00:23:52.160 would you recommend that what we need to do now because i'm talking to guys working on the budget

00:23:57.980 process and there's going to be another 20 30 40 billion dollars means like afghanistan all over again

00:24:03.700 there's going to be another 40 billion dollars minimum in in in this cycle for Ukraine in this year

00:24:09.720 coming year would you say it's time now that we have to enforce like the war powers act does congress have to

00:24:15.400 force the biden regime to come forward and actually lay out the plan to the American people of exactly

00:24:21.860 what we're trying to accomplish there yes and and on that point steve i would make an appeal to

00:24:27.300 conservative friends in both chambers who have voted for the ukraine funding by saying at the very

00:24:33.200 least men and women we have to agree that the constitution is being trampled over by by this president

00:24:39.640 but even beyond that just in terms of military strategy in terms of business and corporate strategy

00:24:45.100 how could you make such a large investment without understanding what the end game is

00:24:49.780 and what i'm hopeful about steve and actually pretty hopeful not just cautiously optimistic

00:24:54.140 is that people realize the game is up that in fact we must have with this level of investment in

00:25:01.040 ukraine close to 200 billion dollars now a we must have a pressure campaign on president biden to tell

00:25:07.160 us what the end game is i know that's where president trump's mind is i suspect that this will be

00:25:11.920 an election year issue that cuts his way very favorably because the majority of the american

00:25:16.940 people are asking that same question the question though this year is will washington listen

00:25:24.120 dr roberts where do they go to get all your information social media go to heritage where do

00:25:30.920 people go to immerse themselves this uh this weekend in um in all the information over there

00:25:35.840 for the the foundational stuff come to heritage.org for the action go to heritage action.com you can

00:25:42.100 follow me on exit kevin roberts tx and even though we got a lot of problems to fix steve with what you're

00:25:48.560 doing most of all what people in your audience are doing i'm really optimistic we're going to turn the

00:25:53.380 corner this year and enter a new era of of golden reform in the united states same same i like the people

00:26:01.660 on our side of the football last question real quick uh has your uh invitation for davos for next

00:26:07.020 year arrived yet sir it hasn't arrived yet and i really don't know what i would do if in fact it

00:26:12.060 comes my way but i had a lot of fun so i might just say yes you got you got to go back that's let

00:26:18.920 them on fire dr kevin roberts head of heritage thank you so much sir thanks sir take care

00:26:23.760 so they got go to heritage this weekend particularly go to project 2025 you got all the policy information

00:26:30.920 but they got tons of stuff over there too particularly some of the background about

00:26:35.000 this whole thing of the war powers act ukraine all of it so make sure you go over to heritage check it

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00:31:28.940 battleground with stephen k bannon okay uh jeremy carl now joins us uh a extremely controversial book

00:31:39.440 the unprotected class how anti-white racism is tearing america apart jeremy carl now joins us

00:31:47.320 first off why is this book called it's caused such consternation uh jeremy it's uh you know you've been

00:31:53.920 on tucker you've been all over uh the big shows uh the uh pundits let's say there maybe are not maga

00:32:01.620 are tearing their hair out about this what is so controversial about your book well i think steve

00:32:06.620 it's it's the race that dare not speak its name i mean it's it's really putting it's not kind of

00:32:11.200 euphemizing and talking about woke or you know critical race theory but it's really just saying

00:32:16.340 look what we're doing here is anti-white it's racist it needs to stop and there are a lot of

00:32:22.260 people invested in our current racist and discriminatory system who are absolutely wanting

00:32:27.640 us to not have that conversation but i think there's a tremendous desire to have it i mean that

00:32:32.000 the tucker episode you just mentioned went up 36 hours ago it's been viewed over 47 million

00:32:37.260 uh times that stream it's has been his most popular stream he's done since his putin interview

00:32:42.560 so i think there is a tremendous appetite among normal people to actually have this conversation

00:32:49.280 but is that is that just but but but but joy ann reed would tell us that's how many racist

00:32:55.900 there are in america in the world there's a lot of racist there's a lot of hate and and naturally

00:33:00.660 tucker's going to put up jeremy carl jeremy carl's brilliant he's an academic he knows how to hide his

00:33:05.820 racism among about academic research i mean the argument they're going to say i got it there's

00:33:11.600 a lot of racist and they're looking for more jeremy carl's material your response sir well i mean i

00:33:19.260 think joy is pretty self-discrediting i mean i'm sure that she'll take a shot at this at some point

00:33:23.760 i'm actually surprised i haven't seen anything yet from her um but yeah i mean like the the actual

00:33:29.500 reality is of course when you challenge power steve and you know this really well from your own

00:33:33.720 career uh they're going to come after you with everything and so uh i'm not expecting uh mercy

00:33:39.860 from the left i'm not expecting a fair fight and i came in here with guns blazing kind of understanding

00:33:45.380 uh the stakes of this this battle and and i think the the case i make in the unprotected class

00:33:51.720 speaks for itself i've got almost a thousand references and let's let's discuss it you know i'm

00:33:56.580 not afraid of that conversation how can you have and by the way i think to your i think to your

00:34:02.380 credit about the power of the book and i'm saying i agree with your argument i don't but the power of

00:34:05.920 the book is that they're not highlighting it the reason they're not highlighting it they don't want

00:34:10.340 to give it any more oxygen but how can you how can you say that there's anti-white racism i thought

00:34:16.260 i thought you couldn't be you could that if you're white you're essentially are racist and if you're

00:34:23.440 anti-white that's not really racism why do you say the anti-white part of its racism well let me give

00:34:29.600 you a couple different examples because i think implicitly what you're sort of drawing on there is

00:34:33.340 the left-wing notion that racism is prejudice plus power and of course nobody who's not white has power

00:34:39.180 and therefore you can't be racist so i mean a i just kind of disagree with the premise b i disagree

00:34:44.540 with who has power right now but i'd say kind of even more broadly when we look at it i'll just give

00:34:49.920 you two quick examples from this book i'd originally wanted to call this book uh it's okay to be white

00:34:55.180 and i actually got the editorial staff to be comfortable with that but then the sales staff

00:35:00.360 came back and said you know hey we can't sell that book uh with that title to walmart and costco

00:35:06.560 and of course is it not okay to be white i mean it's certainly okay to be asian it's okay to be

00:35:12.020 african-american it's okay to be hispanic but when some people put up signs near university campuses a

00:35:18.060 few years ago which is where i got the title saying it's okay to be white that was seen as a huge

00:35:23.300 racist provocation so i think that says a lot about kind of white privilege the second thing

00:35:28.520 we have that's really empirical that we can look at is the huge flight from whiteness that we've had

00:35:34.560 in kind of how we talk about our census if you can identify yourself when you're applying for a job

00:35:40.480 or a university position or anything else similar as something other than white uh you do that and we

00:35:46.980 have tons of information from the census tons of information from job application data all these

00:35:51.620 things i talk about in the book that show that really like what you want to be right now in the

00:35:56.600 system is anything other than white how did okay so how did this evolve how did we get to this place

00:36:05.300 right there how did we get to a place that you had the flight from being white from even being proud of

00:36:11.780 being white or as people should be proud of being african-american or whatever ethnicity they are

00:36:17.180 whatever religion why how did we get to a place where people by the system are not supposed to be

00:36:23.380 proud of their uh of their their heritage uh their race and their ethnicity well steve i think it's a

00:36:30.820 great question there's a couple things that are at play there i think some of it starts with the

00:36:36.080 follow-ons from the civil rights act and i think i'm not you know one of these people who kind of feels

00:36:40.240 the need to relitigate the civil rights act of 1964 i think it addressed some real problems it was kind

00:36:45.960 of a blunt instrument but i think the way that the administrative state subsequently the deep state

00:36:50.420 seized on that and extended it and then you had dubious supreme court decisions so that really

00:36:56.400 built a kind of infrastructure in which you get things like disparate impact which comes from a

00:37:01.640 supreme court case griggs versus duke power which kind of says basically if you have a hiring process

00:37:07.160 even if there's no discriminatory intent but you kind of wind up with a racially unequal

00:37:12.000 kind of outcome that it can be presumptively illegal you've got to sort of show all these

00:37:18.280 things that you've done or that it's a business necessity to prove that it's it's okay and most

00:37:24.260 companies don't even want to bother and so they just cave in without even being seen the other thing

00:37:30.140 and steve this will be something near and dear to both of our hearts is immigration and so you have

00:37:36.120 in 1965 you have the heart seller immigration act and we went from basically being a predominantly

00:37:42.760 white 85 plus percent uh and uh 10 african american at the time and tiny amounts of anything else

00:37:49.800 country to a country that is now 58 percent white a majority non-white among our children and the just

00:37:58.380 the ethnic politics the ethnic dynamics uh the racial dynamics have just changed and so that has led

00:38:04.500 opportunities for the left to create all sorts of mischief was that the passage of that because

00:38:11.160 i tell people all the time that that bill was one of the most had one of the most profound impacts

00:38:15.940 in this nation's history did that give fuel to did the administrative state use that as fuel for its own

00:38:22.760 growth the way it metastasized to kind of become this unconstitutional fourth branch of government

00:38:29.040 government that we are dedicated uh to take apart absolutely and i know you had kevin robertson from

00:38:35.960 heritage earlier and he's focused on this with project 2025 and quite appropriately i've been a

00:38:40.960 little involved in it that myself um i think the administrative state absolutely seized on this i mean

00:38:47.020 you have a civil rights department of the u.s department of justice and under a president like trump who

00:38:52.420 really works at it really hard to try to bring some balance it's only left-wing right like on a net basis

00:38:58.860 and anytime a democrat's in office it's just extreme far left wing because that's pretty much all of

00:39:04.660 the so-called professional employees who are of course in fact all political activists to a first

00:39:10.620 approximation they're in that and they've taken these things and they run with it and the left is expert

00:39:15.620 at manipulating these rules steve as you know and on the right we are constantly playing catch-up

00:39:21.580 we are constantly not tough enough we're not willing to kind of detonate the nuclear button

00:39:27.200 against these guys and again i hope with project 2025 and some of these other things

00:39:31.800 uh that you certainly pushed over the years that we're getting more serious about that

00:39:35.960 is is because they're going to pick that up that'll be on joy and reed that you know

00:39:42.500 project 2025 is a cover for a bunch of racists like uh jeremy carl a bunch of white nationalists

00:39:47.800 um is in confronting what the some of these problems are what you call tearing apart america

00:39:53.580 is by definition people that do that are they racist

00:39:57.800 you mean the folks on the other side you're talking about who are doing this

00:40:03.240 no no no no no no no no people that would say yes i agree jeremy's right that we got to fight back on

00:40:09.560 this this anti-white racism is tearing the country apart i want to figure out how we can how we can

00:40:14.980 stop this and not tear the country apart wouldn't the left say by definition anybody that buys into

00:40:21.180 that program is by definition to them a racist well i think so steve they will certainly say that but

00:40:27.660 i mean i go back i i remember you gave some uh comments uh i may have been in france somewhere in

00:40:33.300 europe in around 2018 where you basically said look if they're not calling you a racist or a xenophobe

00:40:40.100 or everything else you're just you're not there you're not kind of doing your job you're not being

00:40:44.020 a serious challenge or threat to them so i kind of take that as a badge of honor uh my conscience is

00:40:49.960 clean uh you know i know the motivations i had in writing this and in many ways it is to i mean i

00:40:57.140 didn't write it as a de-radicalizing book i just wrote it to write the truth but my hope is you know

00:41:02.720 in kind of offering realistic political solutions to some of our problems and to say hey you know we

00:41:08.500 don't need to the solution here is not a white ethnostate or white nationalist or to kind of

00:41:13.480 repay their racism with racism on our own terms actually if we if we embrace the sorts of things

00:41:20.400 i'm talking about we are going to reduce racism in society so that's kind of my approach before

00:41:26.720 yeah i said what i said in france i said when they start calling you a racist when they start calling

00:41:31.200 you a xenophobe when they start calling you a nativist remember they've run out of logical

00:41:36.720 arguments to combat you and they've got to go to name calling once they go to name calling you've got

00:41:41.600 them this was hillary clinton in the 26 campaign when she came out and said steve bannon's all right

00:41:45.840 he's always i sat there with the team i said if that's her line of attack given where the country

00:41:51.100 is and what jobs are and what the working class in this country say hey i need a where the

00:41:56.180 manufacturing jobs we fight on economic populism and economic nationalism and that she fights we'll

00:42:01.000 beat her every time and he can this is hopefully one of the lessons what is a protected class and an

00:42:06.200 unprotected class for our audience just the basics what is a protected class

00:42:09.580 in a number because you're saying whites are unprotected what is a protected class the protected

00:42:14.980 class is from civil rights law it's a term and it basically is a group that can have any number of

00:42:21.700 characteristics it could be based on disability it could be based on sex it can be based on race

00:42:26.280 that you can't essentially discriminate against them for hiring or any number of other things on the

00:42:32.580 basis of that now the irony of my book is that legally speaking

00:42:36.540 whites are in fact a protected class because you can't discriminate against whites by race in theory

00:42:43.620 in practice that's just not the way civil rights law has worked at all and one of the really

00:42:48.820 interesting things that's happened uh i think the most effective group or certainly one of them that

00:42:53.580 has come out of the the trump administration uh is america first legal uh stephen miller shop

00:42:58.920 and they have pursued a lot of legal cases coming out of the thing where there's just blatant

00:43:05.100 anti-white discrimination it's not even hiding it's just out there it's illegal but until he came

00:43:10.720 along nobody was really saying hey we're going to prosecute you for this and what's happening is

00:43:16.040 they're filing these legal cases and in the vast majority of the times it seems the the guys are

00:43:21.560 just folding because they know they have no case they know that what they're doing is illegal

00:43:25.580 but until very recently we've never challenged them on that and so part of my book is saying

00:43:31.760 you know we just need to be much more bold about challenging them on the things that they're

00:43:36.680 doing yeah that are blatantly illegal i want to get to some of your solutions in a second and

00:43:43.560 steven miller is one of the smartest guys out there i want to play a clip from red ice team here at the

00:43:48.480 war room we curate not just msc and cnn we also watch a lot of you know what i call ethno-nationalist

00:43:54.760 sharia supremacism so we can understand that we are a lot of black nationalist sites la raza

00:44:00.540 we also look at things like uh it's a red ice tv is over telegram hendrick or heinrich paul green

00:44:07.100 and lana loctef i think their husband and wife but they have this channel uh that we also watch let's

00:44:13.280 play a clip of that and i'm gonna come back to jeremy white culture doesn't exist that's as dumb as

00:44:19.520 saying that white people don't exist as though we're just a hallucination

00:44:23.140 you will never hear such nonsense said about blacks asians jews or literally any non-european group

00:44:33.200 you don't even exist to me when someone says white people don't have a culture they're trying to put

00:44:39.880 you down to make you feel less than or guilty to enforce their own supremacy over you then they will

00:44:45.940 educate you on black culture minorities who make up the world's population attack just about

00:44:53.340 everything for being too white or a white people thing while telling us we don't have a culture

00:44:58.660 back it up let's define white because as we know there's no denying what white is when it's time to

00:45:05.940 single us out for white privilege or whiteness studies no then we all know who a white person is

00:45:11.260 not a social construct but a person of european descent and a shared european culture a white

00:45:17.200 culture exists when i watch some of these uh what i call ethno-nationals whether it's a black was la

00:45:25.480 raza um and particularly uh the red ice tv and others like it um the one thing i say is it is about

00:45:33.040 white or is about not having power right and not not having economic power it seems to me that the

00:45:39.880 the case they make a lot and others make is about it we're at each other's throat because of race

00:45:45.120 but when we really think of it most of the most of the oppressors and according to your theory

00:45:51.900 of white people are whites the people that passed the law back in 1965 the vast majority of the

00:45:59.140 administrative state i would say 90 of the enemies of war room and myself personally are not people are

00:46:06.460 not people of other races uh they're they're they're whites and and and when you look at like

00:46:12.560 red ice tv when you look at the arguments they make and you look at the arguments even some of these

00:46:16.700 other ethno-nationals it's not really about race it's about power and right now it are it is whites in

00:46:23.840 power who are neo-marxist and who don't believe in the family or don't believe in the basics of the

00:46:30.740 judeo-christian uh west or to red isis tv to the christian west or i guess in their case even to

00:46:38.540 the pagan west um but it's not about race it's about it's about power the it's it is the we're at war

00:46:46.080 quite frankly with with neo-marxist whites who want to destroy the united states of america am i

00:46:53.660 looking at that in a wrong context because i watch a lot of this stuff from different ones and i keep

00:46:59.720 saying it's about economic power it's not about race well i think there's there's two different

00:47:05.840 things at play steve and i think it's a very astute observation i mean i think you have two

00:47:10.260 different a few different groups right you have these elite leftist whites and i actually talk

00:47:15.460 quite a lot about them in the book and i think my follow-on book to this is going to look at this

00:47:20.260 group really explicitly because they're a very interesting group there's no other group that i'm aware of

00:47:26.120 in the social science research where you find the following dynamic they have done kind of research

00:47:31.660 um where they kind of say you know how much do you prefer your own group versus other groups and they

00:47:38.260 ask liberals moderates and conservatives of every race uh you know kind of how much in-group preference

00:47:43.680 uh social scientists would say you have and unsurprisingly pretty much everybody has some

00:47:48.180 in-group preference this isn't uh abnormal that you would like people uh who are a little bit more

00:47:53.720 like you in some way as long as it doesn't get out of control you would expect this and unsurprisingly

00:47:58.100 you see this and you see it in every group except for liberal whites and liberal whites have an

00:48:04.320 out-group preference they actively dislike white people they think they're dumber more criminal you

00:48:09.300 kind of go down the line with the survey research so you have this really disturbed post-christian

00:48:16.960 kind of post-rational view uh from some of these whites i think for others of them steve and this

00:48:23.400 is just something i think you were kind of touching on it is about power and um at some level there's

00:48:29.700 no bigger display of power than but but but hang on but hang on but hang on this is the power of your

00:48:35.140 book and i'm glad to hear you're going to do a sequel to focus on this this gets my point to the

00:48:39.160 red ice tv audience over telegram and and others i want you to hit rewind because i think you're to the

00:48:46.400 part of the problem the the the central part is progressive i don't call them liberals are neo

00:48:52.780 marxist whites that hate they've selected a group they hate they happen to hate whites and that's where

00:49:00.960 they put the force of the hit tell me about your research of that because nobody wants to talk about

00:49:05.960 this to me this is the beating heart of the problem and this gets to this gets to a power dynamic

00:49:11.040 that working class whites or even middle class or lower middle class whites are looked at as the

00:49:17.280 enemy by other whites uh absolutely and there's no question that a lot of this is intra-white class

00:49:25.760 dynamics and there's actually a doctoral thesis and i'm just blanking on the guy's name but he finished

00:49:30.000 it at georgia state recently i believe he's now at the manhattan institute and he literally looked at

00:49:34.660 this and i take a lot of the survey data from him now he's not doing the primary survey data here

00:49:40.520 which would be a little more questionable he's taking like general social survey and very kind

00:49:46.460 of unquestionable non-political data where they've asked this so i think it's a concern and it's

00:49:52.360 absolutely right to look at the class-based elements of this because i do think it's significant and i do

00:49:58.880 think we have to talk about elites in a very big way and white elites and that's one of the reasons i want

00:50:03.620 to talk about it at the same time i don't want to totally whitewash the role of minority elites

00:50:08.960 because i think a lot of this which is also about wealth power transfer i kind of argue at the end of

00:50:14.620 my book it's really about coming up with an ideology that can justify resource transfer away from people

00:50:21.620 who might happen to be white who have resources to other groups and so you have to have an ideology

00:50:26.960 of white privilege white supremacy all these other things to justify that

00:50:31.360 look this is amazing we got to get your back to go on more detail because this book but i want

00:50:36.720 people to get the book where do they go to get the book where they go to your website to find out more

00:50:40.620 about you absolutely steve thanks so much and really appreciate going on uh they can go get the book at

00:50:47.100 local retailers you go on also on amazon.com it's just been released this week um if you want to find

00:50:53.300 out more about me i tweet pretty regularly at real jeremy carl and i have a substack

00:50:58.400 jeremycarl.substack.com the course of empire that's new would love folks for sign up for that as well

00:51:04.600 uh the title is it's okay to be white but it's out in print as the unprotected class

00:51:11.940 draft title it's the unprotected class how anti-white racism is tearing america apart

00:51:20.040 go buy it it's uh it's great and i hope folks enjoy it and we're going to link to elements of

00:51:28.740 the uh tucker carlson interview was fantastic tucker took a tremendous amount of time of this

00:51:32.760 jeremy thank you very much and i look forward to having you back on and going to

00:51:36.340 more of the solutions thanks so much steve appreciate everything you do for the country

00:51:40.620 thanks brother uh lou dobbs is next we're back at 10 o'clock tomorrow morning i think we're also

00:51:47.320 going to delve back into this uh book a little bit it's uh quite fascinating something we strongly

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WarRoom Battleground EP 523： The Threat Of Unelected Bureaucrats

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