Today marks the anniversary of the day that World War II was declared and commemorated 79 years ago, on this day in 1918, Adolf Hitler surrendered to the United Nations, ending the longest war in history, World War I.
00:00:42.200yesterday morning at 2 41 a.m. at General Eisenhower's headquarters General Jodl the representative of the
00:01:07.400German high command and of Grand Admiral Dönitz the designated head of the German state signed the act of
00:01:18.400unconditional surrender of all German land sea and air forces in Europe to the allied expeditionary forces
00:01:29.680and simultaneously to the Soviet high command hostilities will end officially at one minute after
00:01:41.680midnight tonight Tuesday the 8th of May but in the interest of saving lives the ceasefire began yesterday to
00:01:52.680be sounded along all the front the German war is therefore at an end we may allow ourselves a brief period of rejoicing
00:02:07.380today is victory in Europe day and Truman announced the official surrender this is a solemn but glorious hour I
00:02:20.000I wish that Franklin D Roosevelt had lived to see this day General Eisenhower informs me that the forces of Germany have
00:02:32.000surrendered to the United Nations the flags of freedom fly all over Europe for this victory we join in offering our
00:02:44.000thanks to the Providence which has guided and sustained us through the dark days of adversity and into light much remains to be done the
00:02:57.000victory won in the West must now be won in the East the whole world must be cleansed of the evil from which half the world has been
00:03:10.000free all through the day the king and queen had answered call after call so it was again at night thousands upon thousands went to the
00:03:18.000palace for this is a way we have in Great Britain the family and the head of the family rejoice together
00:03:24.000it was at nine o'clock on VE day that the king had broadcast his message to the people of Britain the British Empire and the Commonwealth of Nations
00:03:34.000nation but today we give thanks to God for a great deliverance speaking from our empire's oldest capital city war battered I would never for one moment
00:03:54.000a moment daunted or dismayed Germany the enemy who drove all Europe into war has been finally overcome
00:11:19.000You see the Justice Department, a former president of the United States, in multiple lawsuits back to back to back, being run and each of the trials being run by government officials from the Justice Department, from political parties.
00:11:51.000Ben, you're an Englishman and a, I don't know if sardonic is the right word, but you always put a jaundiced eye on what the official narrative is of everything.
00:12:03.000So, give me your thoughts about World War II, Victory in Europe Day that came, I think, just over a month after President Roosevelt died in Georgia.
00:12:14.000I think it was Hot Springs, Georgia, Warm Springs, Georgia.
00:12:18.000Just a couple of months after the firebombing of Tokyo, 90 days later, we would drop two atomic weapons almost back to back on the Japanese to force their surrender.
00:12:31.000Your thoughts on Victory in Europe Day, 2024.
00:12:40.000Yeah, well, you know, I'm going to cast, I'm going to throw my cynical BDI over this, as you correctly predicted.
00:12:48.000It's difficult watching the footage, the Pathe footage, the old black and white, so you've got the heroic sort of band music, the bass band music, and it's sort of, it's all sort of optimistic.
00:13:01.000And it's difficult not to have an emotional response to seeing that, seeing the joy, seeing the defeat, the sacrifices that the allies had made to fight and defeat fascism.
00:13:16.000And, of course, contained within that all of the evils which we subsequently found out, I think after the war, pretty much, sort of the horrific stories coming out of Germany and Poland, where the concentration camps and just the annihilation, the Holocaust of the Jews.
00:13:32.000I don't know how much of that was known at the time, during the Second World War, and how much of a motivation it was.
00:13:39.000But certainly the idea was that Hitler and Muslim represented something dark and bad, and was very much against the Anglo-American, if I can put it like that, concepts of liberty.
00:13:52.000So that's the response one feels watching the footage.
00:13:55.000And yet, I've never understood, up until really, I've been working on this show, how it was that Winston Churchill lost the election.
00:14:04.920Less than two months after VE Day, I think the 5th of July, 1945, I could not understand it.
00:14:11.660You know, people have said, oh, you know, it was the postal votes coming in from all the servicemen overseas, and they sort of, they wanted, they had different aspirations for the future.
00:14:20.580They sort of, they were grateful for Churchill for having one, but they really wanted, like, an investment in, they wanted, like, a national health service and all the rest of it.
00:14:28.280The start of the social welfare state that Clem Ackley, the Labour prime minister, started almost immediately implementing.
00:14:38.920I mean, how do you go from the jubilation of VE Day, and then 15th of August, 2nd of September, VJ Day, which I think is more of the festival in America, when Japan signed its own unilateral surrender.
00:14:56.940But how do you go from the euphoria to that, from that, to Churchill losing?
00:15:01.660And the only thing, Steve, I can think of, and of course, when I say there's a, it's difficult not to have an emotional response, that is precisely the point of it.
00:15:30.980I think there was a huge proportion of the UK that didn't want to fight the war, didn't think the war was necessary, thought perhaps, perhaps erroneously, that some form of accommodation could have been made.
00:15:45.760But, you know, time for Churchill to go.
00:15:49.140Because Churchill was very much instrumental in Britain's entry into what became known as the Second World War.
00:15:56.400Very much, that was his personal charism.
00:15:58.560And I think there was, I mean, obviously, over the last 79, 80 years, that sentiment has rescinded, thanks a lot to a lot of the details that have come out from the Second World War.
00:16:09.080And it's almost universally considered to be a good thing that the Allies fought and defeated Nazi Germany.
00:16:15.560But at the time, how did Churchill lose the war less than two months later?
00:16:21.420And the point I'm going to make, Steve, is this, OK, and it's to do with propaganda.
00:16:25.840Since, as I say, he's citing working on this show, I have, you know, in COVID, just to go back a couple of years, I saw in real time, we all did, the whole world did, the whole West, the whole world did.
00:16:36.060We grew up reading books, history books at school, Steve, and we always wondered how nations could be captured by, could be whipped up into certain mentalities.
00:16:55.600We saw this in real time, how it was done.
00:16:57.480And my point here is this, looking at Ukraine, because, you know, this is my point I want to make on this.
00:17:05.600If, and I don't think it's going to happen, very far from it, in fact, I've got some developments to bring on the show later, I don't think Ukraine will win this war.
00:17:14.060Should it win, you can imagine similar scenes coming out from Ukraine, you know, the ticker tapes, the parades, the cheering.
00:17:19.960And Zelensky, I think, would probably immediately lose an election for exactly the same sort of sentiment that's going on.
00:17:26.100The media is only presenting a very one-sided thing.
00:17:29.800And our recollection of historical events is basically captured within the media that was made at the time.
00:17:35.700So I think there's the same sort of dynamic going on in Ukraine as there was in Europe, if I can tie these things together.
00:17:41.300I don't think people in Britain really wanted to have to fight that Second World War.
00:17:45.740It broke the country, broke the empire.
00:17:50.080But going back 80 years, I think the sentiment was different.
00:17:52.820And all I want to do is to use that as an illustration to suggest that the mainstream media is not telling people the truth of what's going on behind the lines in Ukraine.
00:18:03.800And as I said, I've got further stories.
00:18:06.320Yeah, what about – yeah, but I want to go – before I go back to Dave, I mean today in The Hill newspaper, the lead story.
00:18:13.280As all of D.C.'s on tenterhooks about MTG's MTV motion to vacate, The Hill puts up from the Senate – it's got Thune's picture – that the Senate's telling Johnson that if MTG – as she put up here the first time on the show about her four demands of Johnson,
00:18:37.980the first demand was about – well, the Hassel rule, the second demand, the first key policy demand was about Ukraine, no more money for Ukraine.
00:18:45.340You got your $60 billion, you gun-decked that, no more money.
00:18:49.080They came out and said – the number of pride – that MTG's even concept of the motion to vacate should be put asunder for no other reason than cutting off money to Ukraine.
00:19:00.200I mean, think of what's happened in 79 years.
00:19:03.000Now we're the guarantor of the underwriter of freedom in a military intervention on essentially now the Eurasian landmass.
00:19:12.780When they make it, not something that they think is important, not something they disagree with MTG and the MAGA movement, not something on the margins, the central heart.
00:19:22.480They said if that is any part of her motion to vacate, you can't vote for the motion to vacate as Republicans.
00:19:43.240Well, we discussed on the show the other day the Ed Luce interview with Morning Mika.
00:19:48.960One of the things that came out of that interview, Ed Luce is the chief U.S. correspondent for the Financial Times.
00:19:55.820And one of the, you know, we ran a significant excerpt of that.
00:20:00.960We didn't, we didn't, we weren't able to carry it at all.
00:20:03.600Later on in that interview, Ed Luce basically says Poland is upping its NATO, its defense contributions to 4 percent.
00:20:13.480And really, he argues America should be doing as well, not because America has latent interest that it needs to defend, but because it needs to defend Europe.
00:20:23.820This is the argument that's taking place.
00:20:26.300And, you know, I'm glad it made it onto MSNBC because so many Americans don't seem to be aware how foreigners, how Brits are basically blithely committing American taxpayers' money to pay for our defense here in continental Europe.
00:20:40.900I think what MTG is doing is absolutely correct.
00:20:46.440It's a shame she hasn't had more support from within the GOP congressional caucus.
00:20:52.580It's a big shame, because I think what she and Goza have been doing has been spectacular.
00:20:58.700I think we need to give, you know, use the bill blaster, I think, to be phoning up the congressional representation and to make it absolutely clear that the 61 billion to Ukraine was a mistake.
00:21:14.040But it's absolutely, you know, if you're going to draw a line under that, draw a line under it, that is absolutely the last dollar that can possibly go to keep this war going on, because nobody on the ground here in Italy, I mean, it's been over 50 percent of the Italian population for over a year and a half aren't in favor of this war, right?
00:21:34.800That this war has no natural latent support in Europe.
00:21:40.100What is keeping it going, and we touched on this briefly on the show before, is the fact that the European capitals now are trying to galvanize some support between now and November, not to help Ukraine anymore.
00:21:53.780The focus is to hand Joe Biden a single foreign policy achievement of his administration, and of course, the mainstream media propaganda will be relentless.
00:22:05.740As I say, I don't think it will happen, but should it happen that Russia concedes defeat and retreats from the Donbass, that will obviously be portrayed massively as a foreign policy victory for Joe Biden.
00:22:18.140So that's why the European capitals, I think, are sort of upping the ante.
00:22:23.700France is sending boots on the ground to Ukraine right now.
00:22:28.560Not huge numbers, but it is sending a presence there.
00:22:31.500I think everything now is occupied on trying to keep Donald Trump out of the White House and Joe Biden in.
00:22:38.560And just to come back to – and I'll finish with this, just to come back to your point about Hakeem Jeffries supporting Mike, no Johnson, Johnson.
00:22:47.800I said before, I don't think that's the dynamic.
00:22:55.500He is doing everything he can, as is obviously the GOP in the Senate, that they're doing everything they can to hand Biden his foreign policy win in Ukraine.
00:23:06.000They're helping – the GOP is helping the Democrats.
00:23:11.120Dave, Brett, in your economic and financial analysis, you see that this ongoing – because they want a 10-year deal – that $61 billion is supposed to be it.
00:23:21.980They want a 10-year deal, and they want to put in $30 billion to $50 billion a year.
00:23:25.660How does that play with the financial and economic analysis you've done of this fiasco and disaster we have already, sir?
00:23:31.980Yeah, well, Harnwell just gave great comments.
00:23:36.580I just want to make one more remark about President Trump, right?
00:23:41.680So Churchill, in the darkest hour, stood alone against all the generals, against all the countries,
00:23:48.440and did absolutely the right thing every single time with courage and a forceful will that we cannot even comprehend these days.
00:23:59.880And the mirror image there is President Trump, now on stormy seas, right?
00:25:52.520The evil has forced him to see the world in a new way, human nature in a new way.
00:25:58.260And he's standing in the breach every day right now for all of us to prevent what I see is this country falling into the hands of a government that's just run away.
00:26:11.860The CIA alone, right, if I had to pick one institution that needs a microscope and replacement, the things we're hearing from RFK Jr.
00:26:23.640and Benz and Tucker and you just on the CIA and what they have done to our government and to our people by extension,
00:26:32.600if Trump would explain that, he would be transformative like we cannot believe.
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00:32:29.760Ben Harnwell, observations on the day and Dave Brat's ideas.
00:32:37.100I have to come back, Steve, to something that Dave just said was really interesting and thought-provoking.
00:32:41.880There is a parallel between Winston Churchill and Donald Trump in exactly the way that Dave Brat was to say.
00:32:49.280Churchill basically single-handedly contained within himself the destiny of Europe as a free concept of freedom, of a free against collectivism.
00:33:03.720In the same way, and you said this before on the show several times,
00:33:07.060Trump sort of follows on from the direct line of Washington and Lincoln,
00:33:11.240where the destiny of the republic rests in a single man.
00:33:35.140The system that he was defending still had the integrity to it and was worth fighting for and worth defending.
00:33:41.500The evil, the sociopaths, that was outside.
00:33:44.860Today, with Donald Trump, to hold the analogy, the evil, the sociopaths are within.
00:33:50.880And I think that makes the current fight, to cast it in these terms, even more alarming.
00:33:56.100Because you're saying they have the access to state power and what you're seeing against Trump,
00:34:03.280whether it's the deep state trying to, obviously, with the Crossfire Hurricane,
00:34:07.880stop him from being elected in the first place, to the Russia hoax leading up to the first impeachment,
00:34:14.660or what they've done to steal the 2020 election, or what they're doing now to thwart his return.
00:34:20.080That's all the use of state power, including now lawfare in the legal system.
00:34:24.360Yeah, and I have to flag up again COVID and going north of the border into Canada,
00:34:30.080what Trudeau was doing with shutting down the bank accounts of people who are donating to the truckers.
00:34:36.760I don't know if I've ever seen anything so explicitly totalitarian on behalf of a proponent of supposedly Western liberal democracy in my life.
00:34:47.980That was absolutely terrifying, what they did in Canada during COVID.
00:34:52.020But the whole thing from start to finish about COVID was absolutely terrifying.
00:34:55.980And if you think about the Second World War, seeing as we're drawing the links today, that was a fight.
00:35:01.300And I'm not saying that people had this image, it wasn't ideological what people were fighting for.
00:35:07.600They had a basic idea that they were fighting for freedom.
00:35:10.260But if you asked them, if you wanted to put it into its most straightforward terms,
00:35:15.100people were fighting against collectivism and state control over the private individual.
00:35:52.260This is the absolute triumph of cultural Marxism after economic Marxism had failed in the West.
00:36:01.980And, you know, in the American context, there is really only Donald Trump who is able now, I think, to stop this.
00:36:08.440And that's part of the reason, as you suggested, that the system really wants him out.
00:36:12.380Brett, one of the things I talked to you about was – and stopping Donald Trump was this massive spending that Biden basically hopes is vote buying, right?
00:36:22.820Whether it's the college loans, writing it off.
00:36:24.960But we're talking about the – I think it's the $1.6 trillion Green New Deal.
00:40:03.280But the government has only awarded, you know, less than $700 million of the $54 billion that had been made available in the CHIPS Act alone.
00:40:12.320The IRA, right, if you look at that second bar in the chart, if Denver wants to put that one up, the Inflation Reduction Act—what?
00:40:21.560No, back up to the green bars again, guys.
00:40:23.940The Inflation Reduction Act, right, that second green bar there, unleashed a gusher.
00:40:30.980This is all under the Inflation Reduction Act name.
00:40:33.980Those initiatives are hitting turbulence, Politico says, with some major electrical vehicle, battery, solar, and wind projects being delayed or canceled because of the changing, uncertain markets.
00:41:36.240While we're trying to compete with China, Department of Energy decided that the award to MicroVast last spring after the company had drawn fire from Republican law because it has a subsidiary in China.
00:41:48.140These things, the CHIP Act and all these things, are set up to compete against China.
00:41:52.240And then they finally figured out they're funding China in these American bills to fight China.
00:41:58.140And so I could go on and on and on, but that gives you a sense.
00:42:01.200The only good news is—and if you're looking at those four charts still, the yellow is how much has actually been spent, right?
00:42:36.480The Wall Street Journal is reporting this.
00:42:38.000We've been talking about it for a while.
00:42:39.220I want to hit rewind and just give people—this is what they're trying to do.
00:42:43.380If we win or when we win on November 5th, they're still going to try to steal it.
00:42:48.460Having fought through that to get to Inauguration Day, they're working now to Trump-proof that Trump can't really pull the trigger on his policies he wants to do.
00:42:59.900When he's Commander-in-Chief and when he's President of the United States, go back through that litany that Politico and the Wall Street Journal are now putting in front of us.
00:43:09.500Yeah, well, the litany just follows the logic of these four major bills, right?
00:43:14.140So the bipartisan infrastructure bill, the IRA, the Inflation Reduction Act, which is increased inflation, the CHIPS Act, and the American Rescue Plan.
00:43:28.180And so all four of these, luckily, the money has not been spent.
00:43:33.700Some of it's been designated, and that'll be the issue.
00:43:37.240What they're trying to do right now is to spend it as fast as they can.
00:43:41.180And Politico, right, and the entire administrative state that funds a lot of the mainstream media, by the way, is signaling to the White House and to the Democrats,
00:43:50.820you better start spending this money on this green thing.
00:43:53.160And by the way, as an economist, I try to keep the politics out of it, but whenever you see green stuff in there, it's just a signal, right?
00:44:18.700But this stuff, they have no evidence, no analysis of government investment and the rate of return on any of this stuff.
00:44:24.820They're just doling it out to their friends.
00:44:27.000And tell me what percent of small businesses, right, who employ, you know, 70 percent of the people, are getting this money, the CHIPS Act, for the giant CHIPS folks, right?
00:44:35.720And so, you know, some of this stuff, the CHIPS thing we need, but we're not allowing the market system to work.
00:44:43.360And here's my one sentence close on this thing on fascism, right?
00:44:50.300If you go look at economic history, the duration of all human history, no matter what country you live in, what culture you live in, has been dominated by despots, tyrants, autocrats, kings, pharaohs, for all of human history with slavery and everything Harnwell was talking about.
00:45:10.860The Holocaust, right, the butchery, the savagery of Rome, et cetera, was all of human history when the government ruled you.
00:45:19.980Those were all governments ruling you.
00:45:22.840We brought, we broke free in 1776 with freedom, with a freedom assault, and then freedom entered into the market system.
00:45:32.500We chose the market system, not the government system.
00:45:36.280And that right there is the choice that's on us right now as a country.
00:45:40.860Are we going to let these elites and bettors and the globalists run our lives or not?
00:46:28.660They say no matter what we do, if the Fed cuts rates or if they don't cut rates, you end up with inflation both ways because of fiscal dominance.
00:46:38.120We're so out of control with government debt and government spending that the Feds and the government are hamstrung.
00:46:45.020No matter what they do, if they raise rates, you get inflation.
00:46:48.120If you lower rates, you get inflation.
00:46:50.120And I'll give you the arguments there with the charts that go along with it, and it's very thought-provoking.
00:46:56.360Well, maybe we'll also try to book you for the next couple of days and go back through that in detail, but let's get it up on Getter tonight after the show.
00:47:18.560I just want to emphasize to everyone, and this is kind of what Ben's been doing for the last two years, over two years, right?
00:47:25.260And we called the shot on this war at the beginning of it.
00:47:29.240Now, the Senate's telling you that Marjorie Taylor Greene's efforts on accountability and the motion to vacate.
00:47:38.080If she keeps in there that Johnson's got to concede on a couple of points, and one of those is no more money for Ukraine, not unwinding the $60 billion, that that in and of itself means that Johnson should not go with everything else he's done.
00:47:55.820That, to me, and the Hill knew this when they said it.
00:47:59.180That's why it was their lead story today.
00:48:01.360I can't tell you how monumental that is.
00:48:03.500Closing thoughts, Ben Harnwell, before we bounce.
00:48:06.300Well, Steve, I can only repeat what I've said before.
00:48:10.540The war in policy needs to get on the phone and support what MTG is doing.
00:48:15.060I don't know how much Thomas Massey is still standing by her side on this, but basically it's just two of them.
00:48:23.600So people need to give them the maximum public demonstration of support, as they do to Donald Trump, as they have done for Donald Trump, because the fight that these people are conducting is for you, war in policy.
00:48:37.500They're doing it in your name on your behalf because no one else is interested.
00:48:41.580Dave Brat just sort of talked about the histories, basically human history, being one of oppression.
00:48:49.760George Orwell had the famous phrase that an image of the future is a boot stamping on the human face forever.
00:48:56.940And that's pretty much the deal, right?
00:48:58.700Unless we, you know, that might be true, might not be true, but there's no reason why we're supposed to kneel down and put entire places at ourselves.
00:49:07.020We have to give maximum political support to the people who are coming out, risking everything, in order to fight in our name.
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