WarRoom Battleground EP 541： The Fall Of Europe; The Escalation Of War In Europe
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In this episode of the War Room Battlefield, Stephen and Gareth discuss whether we are at war with Russia, what is going on in Ukraine and why we should be worried about it. They also discuss who is really calling the shots and who is pushing the levers.
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this is what you're fighting for I mean every day you're out there what they're
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doing is blowing people off if you continue to look the other way and shut up then the
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oppressors the authoritarians get total control and total power because this is just like in
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Arizona this is just like in Georgia it's another element that backs them into a quarter and shows
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their lies and misrepresentations that's why this audience is going to have to get engaged as we've
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told you this is the fight all this nonsense all this spin they can't handle the truth war room
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battleground here's your host Stephen K Bannon Rishi wants out um we are actually at war with
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Russia now we've got we've got they're not just haven't told you I told you so say that again
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we're actually at war with Russia now that I met with Andre Kellen the Russian ambassador in London
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a couple of months ago and he said that we know that your people are firing those storm shadow
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missiles at us out of Ukraine because so you couldn't you couldn't train the Ukrainians to do
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it we know you're doing it and I mean everything everybody knows that everybody knows that there
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are lots of us uh uk french the french are in there I thought it was the brits were down on
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the ground and special advisors yeah yeah yeah training sessions and teaching them and showing
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them isn't that how but they were apparently that's how we started with the vietnam war yeah what the
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are we doing poking the bear that's really stupid they're determined to get us into a war
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with Russia and thank god we've got someone in Putin who at least has in has got some brains now you
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sound like a Putin lover well I'm not I think I'm not convinced any of them are any good but at the
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end of the day if you look at the facts since 91 we've moved NATO a thousand miles nearer to Moscow
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they haven't moved nearer to us no doubt and and if you think about what we were trying to do
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the EU wanted to bring in Ukraine for whatever reason and NATO wanted it and they would have put
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most missiles on the border of Russia well I mean what did America do when the old Soviet Union tried
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to put missiles in Cuba 90 miles off the Florida coast yeah exactly they weren't having it were they
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no and if you look back the Russians have told us for long enough Ukraine's got to remain neutral
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you know we're not going to let it get them they've told us this for a very long time so hold on
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one second you said Rishi wants out and then she doesn't want to be a Rishi's told the generals he
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doesn't want to be a wartime prime minister really so who's calling the shots is it the generals or
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the prime minister or someone else because it's someone above Rishi I mean this is you don't really
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think that Rishi and Starmer I mean the whole thing's a pantomime in parliament so I keep saying
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pantomime so I keep saying oh no it's not oh yes it is I keep saying that our political system we
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have this illusion of democracy it's BS it's a uni party system and they're puppets and they're
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people pulling their strings is that what's happening that's what's happening and the next
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general election I now realize and I've been I was beguiled by it for you I mean I've stood
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I've won at four elections as a conservative the next election is not it's the none of them they
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haven't been it's not a race between the blue and the red team to see who crosses the finishing line
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this is a baton handover on all the big issues net zero COVID response the WHO
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the trans agenda who's pushing it then who's pushing it who's pulling the levers it's agenda
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2030 it's the world economic forum the the 0.1 of a percent of the richest people in the world
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the globalists the globalists yeah the people who make listen to make money all you need is
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all we need is next week's newspapers today wouldn't we
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but if you own next next week's newspapers you know what's going to happen what's going to be
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reported regardless of what the facts are and and that's the position these so we're heading and
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also and also yes that we're saying yes we're actually already in it they're not going to tell
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the people probably till July or August maybe a bit later um and I think Rishi wants out but hold on
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one second I mean if we go to war with Russia we're talking about potentially nuclear war I know
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do they understand what they're playing with we have a nuclear we're not playing with fire
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I know I know and it goes against all our our our defense thinking but even we have nuclear weapons
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so that no one would do that to us so why would we do it to someone who's got 20 times more nuclear
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30 times more nuclear weapons than we've got and not just that their air defense capability the S500
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I mean it's a million times better than what we've got we've got nothing compared to that we've got
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nothing that can stop any of their what is it we've got arrow or something I mean like that can't
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do jack with their hypersonic I've seen a report that we just do not have any defense for the UK
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against the Russian arsenal because you know they've got hypersonic missile yeah yeah we've got
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I've got Harnwell in Rome and Rahim with me first Ben who did we just hear it's one of the most
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interesting takes on this entire fiasco because you really can't get I've read all the papers you
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really can't get a good handle on this uh is this the missing link or is this is more fantasy
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good afternoon Steve that's Andrew Bridgen who is the member of parliament for northwest
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Leicestershire which is my geographical area of the country by the way he's been an MP since
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2010 and presumably he's not going to you know he's had the whip withdrawn he's no longer in the
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Tory party since uh April last year um so presumably this he's now in in the twilight of his parliamentary
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career interestingly he had the whip withdrawn because he tweeted out a comment um saying that um the
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vaccines were the greatest crime against humanity since the holocaust and he was actually he wasn't
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offering necessarily his own opinion there he was simply quoting what an Israeli cardiologist had said
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him so that's his background an independent thinker very principled tough guy that what he said in that
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interview just now that we heard is absolutely fascinating and I think it really covers some of the
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the the the background that you meet Raheem yesterday on the show which we're trying to
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sort of work out because all three of us basically said unanimously but independently of having consulted
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with one another this really doesn't make any sense for Rishi to call the the election now uh there's
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there's no strategic compelling strategic reason for him to do this in fact it would actually be
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counterproductive what Andrew Bridgen said there I think fills in that gap because he basically says
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quoting UK generals that Rishi has told him he doesn't want to be a wartime prime minister so he's going
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now um calling an election which presumably he has no interest in actually winning um so that's the
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background on that I think the question which he didn't answer which was a very good question
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was well in that case who is pulling the strings in the UK well I think me you and Raheem have actually
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done quite well over the past two years on on Ukraine in in in guessing this as well in fact
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what we said about Boris Johnson uh in real time two years ago turned out to be absolutely the case
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it's the United States that's pulling the strings here um I have more to say on this but I'll give way
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um to to Raheem uh because the one thing that hasn't come out not in in this interview really I don't
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think um and not in the the other declarations today on behalf of Rishi Sunak himself and Nigel
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Farage it's the it's the Ukraine situation vis-a-vis this general election um but I think that's a
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fascinating very telling uh interview piece and it's interesting Steve that you have to you have to be
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out of the Tory party in order to be able to say the truth. Raheem uh and I'm glad to say that uh
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Nigel kind of took our I guess our advice that we all three gave him about staying out we'll get to
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that in a second but but explain to the audience who Andrew Bridgton is because this was quite
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fascinating and his position as whip is where the original show House of Cards right House of Cards
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the lead uh the lead actor played the whip played the whip here in the United States in the House of
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Representatives but I think he was a whip in the uh I thought it was a whip in the Tory party or maybe
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the Labour Party that the show the lip whip is a very senior position so this guy was a power player
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yeah Steve I mean Andrew Andrew Bridgton and and uh Nigel Farage actually have quite a lot in common
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going back um before the Brexit uh referendum and Bridgton himself was quite the quite the campaigner for
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uh leaving the European Union there's there's there's been some overlap there and and and
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Andrew who I know personally by the way or who I have known personally in a previous life um you know
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is is is often ahead of I mean not just where the Tory party uh should be but where no Conservative MP
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still dare to go in terms of the the issues he talks about raises and it's no surprise that he even
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though he doesn't have a party in a party apparatus he remains an extremely popular local uh member of
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Parliament you saw there I mean he understands that Nigel has a phrase for it I'm sure he got it from
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uh it dates back older as well and and I'm allowed to use this word because I'm not using it in the
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American sense uh he says he says um you can't put a fag paper between the Conservative and the Labour
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Partons a fag paper being a cigarette paper what you roll uh tobacco with right this was the case
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that was being yeah fag paper this was the case that was being made across the country you will
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remember in those town halls in those gymnasiums uh gymnasia um on the run-up to the Brexit vote uh
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the the the uniparty uh will will you know continue being the uniparty and it really needs
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some serious semblance of change now that brings us to this election um you know Rishi Sunak absolutely
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called this election early um because of Nigel Farage I appreciate Ben's um Ben's uh comments on
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that too I think that's also correct um but they wanted Nigel out of this out of this race completely
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by the way um they won't get that completely because he still will be campaigning across the
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country uh with his reform party even though he's not personally standing uh for a seat in
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parliament um it's it's complicated it's messy and it will necessarily end up with Britain having
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a very far left Labour government and I was talking to somebody who will probably be in the next Trump
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administration uh just last night uh who expressed serious concern over the the I'm not even going to
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sugarcoat this the mental capacity or rather mental deficiency uh that is being expressed by leading
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members of the Labour shadow cabinet right now and I think a lot of these people are kind of scratching
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their heads and saying how could we possibly end up working with Britain in any way shape or form
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uh if these morons are in in the cabinet next time it's it's going to be a very big deal
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what do you think um I want to get to that in a moment what do you think about his I mean it's pretty
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explosive what he says he and correct me if I'm wrong uh and I'll start with you and go back to Ben
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but he's saying that we're actually already no matter what they're telling you we're already engaged
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in combat against Russian forces that the UK specialists that are able to fire these missiles
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you can't train the Ukrainians fast enough or they can't pick up on it this is UK and he's also
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talking about French he mentioned Americans and he says you know Richie Sunak has had these briefings
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he doesn't want any part of this he does not want to be a wartime prime minister and if he doesn't get
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out now that's how this is going to devolve over the summer in fact I think they actually pick a time
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where it become more evident August September what are your thoughts is this guy a has he been a
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conspiracy theory guy that really puts a tinfoil hat on or is he as you're saying has a tendency or
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history to be ahead of things and have the courage when you're ahead of things and you're thinking
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to be able to put it out there well look um Andrew's definitely Andrew Bridget is definitely out there
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but but out there is where you need to be he's certainly not any further out there than than you
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or I um but I I definitely wouldn't call myself you know a shrinking violet and and he isn't one either
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he's very much willing to put his put both feet forward on an issue and and and doesn't really
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concern himself uh with the incoming uh as a result of that uh there are very few people like that in
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in in the United Kingdom today there we we often get chased out and we look for freer places where
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we can express ourselves um easier uh I've no doubt in my mind that uh you know were I to have tweeted
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some of the things I tweeted back from my apartment in Westminster I would have already been arrested and
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I'm deadly serious when I say it it's it's it's a it's a deeply deeply concerning thing um but but it
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it's true and you see people getting arrested for things like that all the time and Bridget was
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chased out of not one but two political parties um for expressing himself for daring to uh host a
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member of the Alternative for Deutschland party for daring to talk about the COVID vaccines um and so
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on and so forth so um look he's definitely prescient um I think hang on hang on hang on hang on full
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stop full stop you know um Ben has picked up the baton for you now that he's our uh editor of all
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things international and you're running national polls today today but I consider you in the entire
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world one of the experts if not the expert on exactly what's really going on in Ukraine and the
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reason was as you remember in your first couple of years running Breitbart London you talked me into
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you know you going over there and being part of this you saw something that other people didn't
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see and when you got there you saw more of it and you dead spot on called the color revolution
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Victoria Nuland this is back in 13 and 14 right do you believe when he says this did did do you believe
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when he says this that we're at because he's saying something that's a a a very uh across a red line
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that we actually have specialists that are equivalent to combat troops that are in Ukraine now
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manning weapon stations manning um radars manning the equipment you need to launch UK based missiles
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US based US manufactured US French British too far advanced to the Ukrainian forces into Russia
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and specifically against the Russian army sir we have always been at war in Eurasia
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and um I will remind you that uh the coup itself was an act of war um the the if and and here's why
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that's important because if they were willing to do that and we know they were willing to do that
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then there is nothing that they're not willing to do uh they already overthrew a government they
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already supplied and and and gave uh material support to their preferred political faction in in in
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Ukraine and so I have no doubt I've no doubt and I don't think by the way that Andrew Bridgen is
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necessarily ahead of this he may be he may be one of the only people um with with massive audience
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saying it but I think there is this kind of quiet understanding out there right now that that isn't
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just the case right now that has been the case now for a very long time throughout most of this war
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for most of this hot war that has been the case um that is why when you talk about boots on the
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ground and we try to bring that up as a conversation point with establishment people and I see them all
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the time you know talking to people here on Capitol Hill down down in DC they kind of scoff at it as in
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like yeah dude that's already been happening we don't this wouldn't be a new development so the answer is yes
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that is absolutely in my estimation by my sourcing that absolutely is the case
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and then you would say when we just went through this Ukraine funding
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fiasco six weeks ago and Johnson said oh I've talked to NATO generals I've been I've gotten the
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security briefings and I really know what's going on he never mentioned at the time in fact there was a
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lot of controversy about how engaged in combat we were how engaged in this that he purposely withheld
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that information oh absolutely absolutely and and of course you know listen there's been no uh proper
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congressional oversight over this since day one and I don't mean day one you know two years ago I mean
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day one when this was still um you know a spark in the sparkle in the eye of Victoria Nuland
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which actually planned this all out and they haven't gone through and figured out and subpoenaed all of
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her decision making processes and all of that to figure out hey how are we actually involved in a
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war that has not been authorized by Congress here uh again right I thought I thought the lesson was
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learned I thought the whole thing about Iraq about Afghanistan about the Arab Spring the interventions
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in Libya and Syria I thought I thought when they had Hillary Clinton up there you know in a post-Benghazi
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world that there had been some lessons learned clearly not clearly nobody is interested in getting to the
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bottom of how this occurred and we know this because we actually bothered to do the research
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right um and I actually bothered to go there and and remember Steve who came on this show as well when
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they were talking about the um you know the the counter-offensive the counter-offenses and I stared
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down this camera and I said there is no counter-offensive they don't have it it's a psyop and just
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just in the very same way we're experiencing that now
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uh Ben Harnwell is this tied to uh this report that um the Russians are saying now and they've told
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the British government if uh if we're hit by uh UK missiles uh in in Russia that we consider that an
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act of war sir I think it's absolutely tied into that context and that's a message that Moscow has
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been repeated uh has been repeating for many months now um I don't think anyone is paying any attention
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to that deliberately because of course if they were to pay attention to that they would need to
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take note of that I want to come back to something that Raheem was saying um and this might be an
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opportunity for anyone of the war in posse who's uh who has a legal background to freedom of information
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this if it is true what Andrew Bridgen has said and as Raheem has just indicated he's not the only
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person who has been saying this that the British the French the Americans have troops on active duty
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out there in Ukraine in fact Bridgen himself just said specifically that they're firing the short the
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storm shadow missiles because the Ukrainians uh can't do that um the Geneva Convention requires active
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combatants to wear a uniform to distinguish them from civilians so here's my question and I would like
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I would like to see this foyer I don't think in the UK or in the US they will answer it but not
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answering that is in itself an answer are we abiding by the Geneva Convention right if we have presence
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there because if this whole shtick of this war is that we're there to defend the international
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rules-based order let's be doing that and not undermining it
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Raheem um I've got a few minutes I'd like to hold both you guys through because I want to talk uh
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Nikki Haley domestic politics here in a minute but I want to finish Nigel Farage took your advice or the
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collective advice I guess of Ben me and you uh and he's taken he announced uh he's taking a pass on
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this can you can you walk us through that yeah don't forget Alexandra who has been also um heavily
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leaned towards that one of the one of the very active war room posse members who's uh been helping
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make that decision too and I think I think the the um it's a serious decision for him to make you know
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obviously he's he actually said in his video that he posted on social media that he knows he's kind of
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got one big political um role of the dice left in him and this ain't it and and that's correct I
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mean Rishi Sunak the prime minister will have known that would have taken that into serious
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consideration when timing this thing for July the 4th uh it doesn't really give somebody like
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Nigel Farage who isn't currently an incumbent anywhere um to to figure out which seat to run in
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uh establish a base uh get out there again I'll repeat what I said yesterday in in British politics
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we don't have television radio advertising that's prescribed um you really communicate with voters at
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town hall events through leafleting um and other kind of like hyper localized thing and by the way
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um you the max spending cap for the 30 days out of an election in the UK is about 10,000 pounds
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or at least was the last time I checked um compare that to your elections that it's it's 10,000 pounds
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they're they're they're they're hold it they're bar tabs they're bar they spent two and a half
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billions 10,000 pounds uh Rahim if this would uh because you're the person to mention it that a lot
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of people said that Sunak before he found out he didn't want to be a wartime prime minister
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Sunak did this to jump Nigel's announcement in a couple weeks if Nigel had made that if they had
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not mentioned anything and it still looked like it was going to be November or in January 25 would that
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announcement in two weeks have been Nigel would it have been different would Nigel have gotten into
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the race in in some capacity with reform I think if the election were later Nigel would have gotten in
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uh he would have been far more inclined to um I think the announcement was going to be look if if
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that is the case if there is a constituency that we can identify that we can compete in um then then
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yes he would have uh but it's extremely difficult I mean on it when when we ran him for parliament I
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think for the seventh time or something in 2015 uh he was he at least had the incumbency of being a
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member of the European parliament uh representing the southeast which was where the seat was that he was
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fighting for the British parliament pardon the confusion I know it's it's it's um it seems
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far flung for a lot of people but but in an electoral sense he doesn't have any of that right now and yes
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he's on television a lot and yes he's he's beloved by by much of the nation but again fighting a British
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parliamentary seat is very different from that and we found that out the hard way in 2015 when we got
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you know 13 percent of the national vote ended up with one seat in a parliament of 650 seats so
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there's been a big amount of talk about proportional representation as a result of those sorts of
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results it won't happen this time and we will see I think a massive massive labor far left by the way
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far far left way to the left of your democrats um government in very short order
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uh ben we had talked about you had actually said a couple months ago hey I may have to relocate to uh
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to uh being what's the the uh Westminster lobby lobby press because there's a tectonic plate shift going on
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in British politics are we going to see is this where we're going to see is this the triggering event
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right now the the the the snap election on the 4th of July it could uh will be um but you know um I'm
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not sure whether it is going to be an independence day for the Brits um not least given the the choice
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as Raheem says you can't get a fag paper a cigarette paper between the two major parties I want to come
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back again to something that Raheem said look I am in our in our New Year's Eve show I picked out my story
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I did a review of the and I said this is going to the story that's going to dominate from 2023 which will
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dominate British politics in 2024 and I picked out this story that Richard Tice the leader of UK
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of uh of the reform party excuse me had said that that the reform UK will stand in all seats in the
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country um and I said this has this story here has the potential to to put an end to the the oldest
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political party in the political party in the world the British Conservative Party uh and could reduce
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them to a Canadian style wipeout and I absolutely think that everything we've seen since uh since
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New Year's to today is is moving in that direction um like Raheem like I have to say um I look in a sense
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right in a sense I'm actually happy that Nigel isn't standing um for this reason for this reason
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because um it changes like I never I did not want to see the the metrics for success of reform UK
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being tied to whether Nigel wins his wins his seat or not um the impact that reform is a is able to
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impact on um the change is able to impact on British politics right now vastly vastly exceeds
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the the simple case of one person uh even if it's Nigel Farage winning the seat the reform is in a
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All this nonsense all this spin they can't handle the truth war room battleground with stephen k bannon
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And do you think nikki haley was therefore aiming herself to be president ultimately?
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I think nikki haley is incredibly politically ambitious
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I would say ambitious as lucifer, but that's probably a
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I'm probably i'm probably taking milton out of context
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You think she could challenge trump in the primaries?
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I I think I take nikki haley at her word. That's not 2020
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I think she's going to go out and make some money
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I just think the timing everything that she said yesterday and everything about her
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Stepping down could have been done on the evening of november 6th
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She's going to stay to the end of the year. There's plenty of time to do a transition plenty of time to pick a
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Someone to take her place the timing could not have been worse because it stepped on the kavanaugh first day at the supreme court
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It stepped on the the 50-year anniversary of the lowest we have the lowest unemployment in 50 years it the timing
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Trump has not been perfect on these policies. I've made that clear many many times
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To reach out to the millions of people who voted for me and continue to support me
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Description on why you're voting for donald trump i've ever heard my I mean it it is
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It is mind-boggling that somebody who actually claims to know anything about policy
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Would say what she just said like I said i'm not shocked that she's cynical
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She's been cynical her entire political work doesn't shock me. She went back to trump
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But you're gonna have to do a lot better than that mickey
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Raheem ghassam you've been at the forefront of saying something's going on here
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Was this a head fake yesterday was this to make sure her donors know that she's now
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Uh consternation at the convention and and force her way in
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Um, I remember that uh marvel at the uh the clip from bloomberg there
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Uh with you saying I believe you're I believe your trousers are ironed your hair is brushed
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You're all you're a lot cleaner, but you're a lot meaner back then as well. I remember that much too
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You you you that was only it was in 2018. It was in october raheem was with me
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Of europe to tee up the european parliamentary elections. We stopped at bloomberg
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She's ambitious as loose. She's pure and she's limited on capacity and capabilities, but she's long
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She did that a couple of weeks before the midterm of which nancy pelosi
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Took back the house and was able to then impeach donald trump, sir
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Yeah, and uh, you know, you you often say this but
00:34:39.340
Take your aging into account. I believe it's correct to say there are years in which decades
00:34:52.620
The nikki stuff is really fascinating because I I really genuinely don't believe she even is voting or will vote
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Um for donald trump. I think you know, she will probably go the way of
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uh, john bolton who I think said recently that he's he's de intends to write in
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Um bizarre neocon figure from from 20 years ago
00:35:13.820
And and so this is two things. Yes, you're right
00:35:15.940
You're absolutely right to say, you know, there there is a level of positioning here
00:35:20.240
Uh a rather big one but a rather transparent one
00:35:23.340
Um, but I think the other part of this is, um, this is this is more
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Uh for me about pulling the wool over the eyes of republicans
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For pulling the wool over the eyes of margot voters
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So that if she doesn't get her her prime ministership her premiership
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Uh under this, uh next trump administration that she can come back and she say look, you know, I told you I was on your side
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Um in my stride and I told people to vote for trump and I said I was going to too
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However, this is probably going to be like one of those situations. I think we learned down
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Um, that one of the leaders of the gop in texas said he was voting for donald trump in the primary turns out
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I think his ballot was leaked and he voted for ron de santis
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So, um, you know, they're all like it. They're all snakes
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Are you still hearing you're pretty well sourced
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Are you still hearing that they're they're they're working on something at the convention, uh to be able to use that as a forcing function
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To try to force her on the ticket as trump's running mate
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I mean somebody said the other day it may have even been
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Um, donald trump himself the other day when he was asked, you know, how are they going to
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Steal it this time around? He said, well, you know, just about 18 different ways
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I think it's more like 800 different ways and and the convention is one of the the the there
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There is a recent report, uh, up at the national pulse at the moment actually
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Have recently been having conference calls with with biden campaign staff
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So you have to take all of this into consideration and contextualize it to say
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This woman does not have any interest in in in supporting margot or donald trump. This is just another ruse
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And yes, uh, in fact, I have so much sourcing on this right now
00:37:08.500
Steve that i'm going to start sending them directly your way
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Um, because you have you have a greater ability to to hone this information down than I do
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Uh, but yes, this is still their plan and and and I I still fully expect at the convention where we will be
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Uh, for the national pulse reporting live from, uh, that there will be, um, there will be
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Well, I guess what we call to use another phrase that I can use
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Raheem, where do people go to get to the national pulse to get your social media all of it?
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Yeah, the national pulse.com forward slash war room
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We need you ladies and gentlemen to sign up and support us at the national pulse.com forward slash war room
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And uh, if you want my uh, my spicy tweets that I would be no doubt arrested for in in in my home country
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Uh, it's just at raheem kassam on across social media
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Uh getter truth x uh instagram. You name it i'm there
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Raheem amazing. I know you got a bounce you want to stay for the show, but you've got
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Uh, you've been called to duty in action right now. Thank you sir for taking time away today to join us
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Ben harnwell your thoughts on one of your favorite topics. Uh, yeah, nikki haley
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Well, coming back to then to bird brain smoke her out
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Um, she hasn't endorsed uh, donald trump. I think she just said she's going to vote for him
00:38:28.880
Call on her to formally endorse him. Um, I look
00:38:32.640
This is a person who is look I disagree with you. You're talking about that bloomberg thing. You're you're
00:38:39.580
I think you said that she's very talented at some point. I know you're trying to be um, generous
00:38:44.260
Um, she's she's not talented remotely. She's shallow
00:38:47.540
Um, massively out for someone who's a former us ambassador to the united nations
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Where foreign policy supposed to be a thing massively out of her depth whenever she talks about it
00:38:59.060
Um, and I don't want to go on the superficial about how she talks
00:39:02.140
But seeing as you mentioned nancy pelosi a few moments or so ago
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Did they share full seat or something they've got that same kind of that saliva thing that
00:39:10.160
When when they're talking no can't stand the woman, um, if it I think she's trying to stay relevant with this
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This sort of semi pseudo endorsement call a call her bluff
00:39:23.880
Are you going to endorse him formally yes or no and then and then see what she does
00:39:29.140
Uh, I want to pivot to uh, you've got an analysis about georgia maloney and and what's actually happening in in italy
00:39:38.180
And uh, as we lead up to these, uh, european parliamentary elections and then right on top of it
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What is it six weeks in europe on politics particularly on the right are going to be I think the most intense
00:39:50.860
Probably in the post-war era just what's happening
00:39:53.580
Um, walk me through you had this amazing analysis of what's really happened to workers
00:39:58.440
In italy and what is you think the basis of uh, of a lot of the discontent over there
00:40:03.800
Can you walk us through it and then I want to talk I want some closing thoughts of yours on ukraine
00:40:07.880
This is um, this is a story that reuters carried a few days ago
00:40:13.260
We haven't had a chance to be on the show up until now because of all the other sort of really important stuff
00:40:19.300
Um, so basically here we have a situation where 34 percent of italians
00:40:29.380
Um, which is shocking numbers just like this one one in three
00:40:34.140
Uh the destination by the way of those who want to leave 32 percent the highest by far
00:40:39.860
Uh almost three times higher than those who want to go to uk to the united states
00:40:44.420
So, you know, whatever's going on in in the us domestically
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You can at least be confident that that beacon of liberty and prosperity and possibility
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Is still absorbed outside the country as much as the democrats and uh republicans are conspiring together
00:41:02.580
Um to destroy it. Um, but here's a knockdown statistic steve right
00:41:07.800
Over 30 years this is official oecd statistics over 30 years
00:41:20.260
Right in italy one percent wage movement over 30 years
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Average over the oecd countries. Um, that just absolutely shows you how the political class
00:41:36.520
In italy for three decades has pushed this country
00:41:41.240
Um, really into the ground, um, that is the context
00:41:45.080
You know, I raise my hat to you because you were saying this years and years and years ago
00:41:49.480
But it is going to be the laboratory for something new the merging of the of the populist and nationalist movements
00:41:56.520
Which actually did occur and it formed a government on the basis of that
00:42:00.040
Um, this is the the context and the background to that just and this is why italians are so disillusioned
00:42:05.880
With the political pro program at the moment and I think why
00:42:11.880
A clear third of the country is supporting a political party that the press have said universally is far-right and extremist
00:42:21.240
Um, because that is where the country is willing to go in order to effect change
00:42:24.680
Now, I don't think the maloney government is remotely far-right
00:42:28.600
Uh, not remotely and it's it's it's not fascist as is as the mainstream media is constantly depicting it
00:42:35.800
But it illustrates the desperation of what can happen when a country is neglected and abused for so long
00:42:48.600
I spent a lot of time in italy with you, uh, and and getting to know the populist movement there the nationalist movement the sovereignty movement everybody from
00:42:57.080
The northern alliance to uh, the brothers of uh, of italy
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I've never and we you know, you and I have gone to the rallies and seen salvini and see, you know
00:43:07.240
Particularly when they had that great movement and kind of merged the two populists of the right and left to try to have a coalition government
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But I never saw raw anger like i've seen some other places
00:43:18.920
How could you possibly only have one percent pay increase over 30 years and not have people on the verge of revolt?
00:43:28.680
In italy, uh, how how can that be when you actually and you can feel it when you're there you understand
00:43:33.800
With all this beauty and all this, uh, the the really the highlight of the judeo-christian west all around you from architecture to art
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There's something and and the people are great people just good people great people. There's something
00:43:49.160
Missing of the economic vibrancy you have cultural and social vibrancy
00:43:54.440
But you you can tell that you don't feel the unlocking of the animal spirits
00:44:01.160
But why are they not why are they not taken to the streets and burn the place down?
00:44:12.200
We've identified it. It's the italian middle class and working class. Why is there not more anger?
00:44:19.880
Well, look culturally you you flag up the cultural point. I cannot
00:44:23.720
Not not ignore the fact that say over 100 150 years
00:44:28.680
All of the italians with that real entrepreneurial sense and that sense that they want to do something with their lives have left this country
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Of that massive my or to london hang on hang on or or or or or or or to london the one of the big places
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They've gone to in the last 20 years right is london
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The united states, but you've taken you're saying that the answer the real
00:44:55.640
Cutting-edge entrepreneur class has just decided
00:44:59.080
By the time they're 18 19 20 21. I got to get out of here or i'm just going to end up like my buddies, right?
00:45:06.440
Yeah, when I said you know when I said coming to america
00:45:09.080
I've really meant the ellis island thing over 150 years ago huge like whole generations of italian workers left
00:45:16.360
So what you have left are people who are basically
00:45:20.040
Culturally, you know, they they've imbibed this
00:45:25.880
Basically, uh, will be will be satisfied the italians aren't french
00:45:31.080
Um, if you'd have had the french in this country rather than italians
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They would have had so many 1789's by now so many french revolutions the italians aren't
00:45:41.800
You know, they're they're not a revolt. They're not a revolting people, uh, they don't they don't revolt
00:45:48.440
Um, so you know as they save themselves here, you know
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As long as the italian guy has a plate of pasta for his lunch
00:45:55.880
Uh has a football match to watch the weekend on the tv
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You know, he's got enough petrol to put his guy. He's never going to to go out
00:46:03.880
Um, and overturn things like the french would do and there's a lot of you know
00:46:07.480
That is commonly said here and there's a lot of truth to that
00:46:10.920
Um, the consequences of that is that it means the government can get over with my
00:46:17.160
Almost murder basically and and that's what they've been doing just I mean, just think about think about this, right?
00:46:22.280
Most countries around the world will post now. I know that
00:46:25.320
Look, I don't rate gdp as a concept. I certainly don't rate gdp growth as a meaningful statistic whatsoever
00:46:32.440
But we are used to seeing two three four percent growth reported on
00:46:38.280
You know apart from the hiccup over kovid those are sort of reasonable statistics
00:46:46.200
Divided over split over 30 years this shows you how sclerotic
00:46:51.480
The italian economy is and it's by design, right? I have to say you can't just blame as I am doing the italian political class
00:46:59.000
It's what people want people want a job for life
00:47:06.200
And there's not the time to to break down is that but you do need some element some essential discipline of free market
00:47:13.240
Otherwise, you'll be destroying as much wealth as you are creating it
00:47:16.920
And it's like that medical condition in the heart where you have a weak heart valve and it's pushing back as much
00:47:23.080
Unoxygenated blood as it is is coming coming through. It's the same thing with the economy
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If you cut you could it's impossible to suck anyone in this country
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You can really only suck someone in this country
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If they're caught with their hands in the till basically if you don't you don't do anything, right?
00:47:42.440
And sometimes you don't even need to do that right and and they can't fire you
00:47:46.120
So if you can't fight and this is in the public service and in the private sector
00:47:50.280
If you can't fire somebody right and people aren't dumb
00:47:53.800
Then they're going to come to work, but they're not going to do anything and that's exactly what you have
00:47:58.200
That's why you have one percent growth. So in a sense
00:48:01.080
Let's blame the massive corruption in the political system because it is there
00:48:05.640
But also a certain word needs to be directed towards the italian people themselves for having sort of voted this system in and perpetuated it
00:48:20.200
We got so much more to talk to what we'll we'll talk through we'll do it hopefully tomorrow
00:48:24.120
Uh, where do people go to get your where do people go to get your um, your social media? Just extraordinary job
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Harnwell tapping my son in there. You can see how it's spelled at the bottom
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Fantastic posts at the top of my feed waiting for you to look at right now. Thanks, steve god bless
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Uh, one one one last thing. Do you agree with bridgerton? Do you think by summer? Do you think by august september?
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It'll be much more in front that we're actually at war that the great powers of the united states
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Are at war with russia right now and have been at war with russia. I mean the kinetic part
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It hasn't you know, there hasn't been a formal declaration of war
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But that I think you know, and i've heard things like that as well as you and rahim have done
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That that does seem to strike sense and it does illustrate as of course
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It does illustrate something about putin's sense of restraint
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That he hasn't uh made any corresponding maneuvers against these countries
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His red line being of course incidentally touched on earlier whether ukraine sends british
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Or american made long-range missiles deep into russian territory now america still said no that
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Ukraine can't do that britain however has given the green light so um
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Unbelievable. Okay, we'll get you on getter and we'll see you tomorrow
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Explosive at the united kingdom of course, they're going to have european parliamentary elections first week two weeks of 10 days of june
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