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00:00:00.000 this is what you're fighting for i mean every day you're out there what they're doing is blowing

00:00:11.320 people off if you continue to look the other way and shut up then the oppressors the

00:00:18.320 authoritarians get total control and total power because this is just like in arizona this is just

00:00:24.220 like in georgia it's another element that backs them into a quarter and shows their lies and

00:00:28.980 misrepresentations is why this audience is going to have to get engaged as we've told you this is the

00:00:33.400 fight all this nonsense all this spin they can't handle the truth war room battleground here's your

00:00:40.440 host stephen k bannon it's tuesday 4 june in the year of our lord 2024 it is the 35th um anniversary of

00:00:50.800 tiananmen square it's the fourth anniversary of our foundation of the as a co-founder of the new

00:00:55.480 federal state of china it's the 82nd uh anniversary of the battle of midway and we're just days before

00:01:02.000 the 80th um commemoration anniversary of the landings at normandy so we've a lot to go through

00:01:07.580 today i want to start with some pretty big breaking news uh one i want to go to india as you know we

00:01:12.720 cover uh president modi there very closely i think one of the greatest nationalist leaders in the world

00:01:19.240 today dave ramaswamy joins us been here riding shotgun with us for years to go through this dave

00:01:25.720 unprecedented third term for president modi but uh correct me if i'm wrong and you know india

00:01:32.780 a thousand times better than i do but on the politics of it as you've mentored me uh he failed

00:01:38.800 to get a majority lost some seats but the most important things it would be the equivalent of trump

00:01:43.460 uh losing oklahoma or trump losing missouri or you know south dakota or montana some of these and

00:01:53.120 that's why i gotta have you explain it to me modi won unprecedented third term but the party didn't

00:01:59.360 get the seats they wanted but the big shocker was where the losses came sir yes steve thanks again for

00:02:06.480 having me uh you know modi as i've said many times before prime minister modi he's a michael

00:02:13.160 jordan of democracy and just to give you an idea how difficult a three-peat is he's the only prime

00:02:21.160 minister of india to win a third term since 1962 so it's been since 62 years since nehru who is a

00:02:28.240 legendary first prime minister of india and the other commonality like you mentioned there's a lot

00:02:34.460 of similarities between india and america in terms of democracy and the heartland versus the urban area

00:02:41.400 battle that goes on and you're right modi's alliance did win a majority so he's gonna take office

00:02:48.040 as the prime minister yet again but one thing which happened is and you touched upon it which is it would

00:02:55.920 be in the core belt or core voting belt uh like in the american heartland oklahoma kansas

00:03:03.400 in sort of a clean sweep uh modi in his heartland of north india lost a lot of seats across multiple

00:03:11.340 states so that tells you something that even though overall they like the party's message the bjp

00:03:19.000 translating to the indian people's party and their performance over the last 10 years still a lot of

00:03:25.540 voters i guess felt slighted and their issues weren't really addressed but how's it but but

00:03:32.420 hang on but but how's that so nobody saw this coming i mean that is like you said from nehru who

00:03:40.460 was you know one of the founders of modern india and had worked with gandhi for so long

00:03:44.860 and is iconic this is the first three-peat you've had modi is a charismatic figure i actually think and

00:03:51.900 i always point to lessons that modi can teach president trump even about a nationalist agenda

00:03:57.400 that's how strong i think modi is the most nationalistic leader in the world you know as

00:04:03.600 prime minister but but how do you square that with it would literally be like trump lost some of the

00:04:11.160 the biggest trump states it just doesn't make any or lost a bunch of house in in 20 at this in this

00:04:16.960 election we lost house seats and senate seats in um in in the in basically the most trump

00:04:23.580 strongholds it just something doesn't make sense what what do you think happened

00:04:28.260 no steve that's a great analogy let me zoom in on that and you nailed it it's not like losing the

00:04:34.980 whole state but you're absolutely right it would be like trump losing and the republican party

00:04:41.660 losing congressional seats and senate seats and let me give you the reason why which is

00:04:47.840 you know modi overall like trump it's a it's a secret sauce it's like the secret ingredient he's

00:04:54.000 a secret ingredient in grandma's apple pie nobody knows exactly what it is but it sure works wonders

00:04:59.800 but sometimes at the state level and you see this with president trump the state party leaders

00:05:07.480 had given modi a list of candidates and it was rejected so those were the grassroots candidates

00:05:16.120 who were overruled in favor of the party headquarters in delhi baby that was okay there's a big there's a

00:05:25.280 big lesson here there's a very big lesson here the grassroots who swept up in really modi's nationalism

00:05:30.980 uh were rejected in the party apparatus the rhinos or tories let's say put their own guys in i might

00:05:38.480 want to add the greatest uh event that president trump had before wildwood new jersey drew a hundred

00:05:44.560 thousand was howdy modi uh i think it was in houston it was on houston or new orleans one of the it was

00:05:51.920 unbelievable and i mean the affection of the two leaders for houston the affection of the two leaders

00:05:57.040 for each other the commonality and purpose and then president trump obviously went to india i think

00:06:02.700 even during the pandemic just in the incredible outpouring of love and affection uh from uh from

00:06:08.540 the indian people and particularly the nationalists in india who put their country one thing i love about

00:06:13.340 modi you never doubt where he's coming from india is always first and the indian citizens are always

00:06:20.480 first on any deal he cuts and that's i think is a beacon and he's not an isolationist we're not

00:06:27.100 isolationist and you can see him modi uh so it was the grassroots slates that got rejected for the

00:06:33.220 party apparatchiks and uh and and the voters sent a signal to to prime minister modi hey we love you

00:06:40.740 but we don't like some of the deal baggage that you have absolutely steve and you see this all the

00:06:46.920 time and you nailed it it's kind of like the rnc headquarters versus the maga base and sometimes

00:06:54.080 you see it online on truth social when president trump endorses a candidate and the maga base

00:07:00.980 is just shaking their head like who whispered in his ear that's analogous to something which went down here

00:07:07.380 unbelievable dave social media where do people get to to you for more more commentary and analysis

00:07:15.540 your understanding of indian politics is uh is is second to none so where do people go

00:07:20.320 no steve i'm not on social media i'm usually on your show i haven't done your show in a while but

00:07:26.740 hopefully later this year you get you for both you get it for both geopolitics and indian affairs

00:07:32.500 yeah so for both geopolitics and indian affairs i appreciate your support and i always love being on

00:07:40.300 your show and talking to your very enlightened and intelligent audience geopolitics uh indian

00:07:48.880 politics national security and also you know bent maga pretty well you're not too shabby here about

00:07:52.980 domestic politics uh dave ramaswamy uh anyway congratulations president modi a prime minister

00:07:59.240 modi gets the three-peat and uh we're off to the races there's a lesson there president trump

00:08:05.900 yeah yeah don't don't don't don't take your base for granted that's a message that they're going

00:08:12.980 to send a message a strong time and and and steve the other messages yeah absolutely and steve the

00:08:20.760 other message is you know your base it's very easy to please them with policy issues you don't have

00:08:28.060 to pander to enemies who will never vote for you that's the other message big time lessons learned

00:08:34.940 from india the world's largest democracy and hey the way they pull off that election takes a month but

00:08:40.420 at the end you know nobody's complaining it's all hand counted it's amazing a big lesson there for the

00:08:45.800 united states of america thank you sir appreciate it i appreciate you we got some victories we're

00:08:53.200 going to talk about but we're going on offense at the same time mark payoletta when i pull up my

00:08:58.040 morning punch bowl jake sherman in the team and they've got uh the lead story is how the democrats

00:09:05.620 assault on the supreme court was a flop how it failed to connect and how they're rethinking their

00:09:12.940 strategy right now because they're licking their wounds about this i gotta say thank you mark payoletta

00:09:18.920 thank you war room posse thank you everybody associated with this it ain't gonna stop i understand

00:09:24.060 that that's where we're going offense but man oh man i did not think i'd see that headline off of

00:09:29.220 jake sherman's inside baseball punch bowl that follows everything on capitol hill about what

00:09:34.020 happened to durbin and schumer in this crowd your thoughts sir yeah you know steve it's been this

00:09:40.240 unprecedented attack on the supreme court and i want to thank you and the posse if you having me on

00:09:47.260 to talk about this and let people know how outrageous these attacks have been they're completely baseless

00:09:52.800 right there's no basis at all for recusals right they're trying to they don't control right the left

00:09:58.740 doesn't control the supreme court anymore it used to for many many years and they're enraged so they

00:10:04.280 want to take out justices they want to make them recuse they want to dirty them up with bogus ethics

00:10:09.380 charges and it's not working you know part of it is you know the the supreme court approval rating has

00:10:15.460 gone down because of these attacks and that's outrageous and so i'm glad it's not really you know

00:10:21.500 they're licking their wounds and they're you know their view is this is not working but we need to

00:10:26.580 defend the supreme court even more and in my view i think the american people also see that sheldon

00:10:32.880 white house okay sheldon white house is the one leading this attack and he's just he's unethical

00:10:38.520 all right and i i i posted up today the fact that um tom fitton several months ago had filed a complaint

00:10:45.640 with the senate ethics committee to look at what sheldon white house does on behalf of his wife and his

00:10:51.240 wife's organization she makes millions of dollars in the environmental space and he has repeatedly

00:10:57.500 introduced legislation and done things you know in his official capacity to help her group she's

00:11:03.660 made millions um and he one group that she joined uh back in 22 23 called running tides um it has to do

00:11:12.860 with uh capturing uh carbon from the sea right what did what did sheldon white house introduce shortly

00:11:18.240 after that legislation to fund programs and projects to cap you know capture carbon from the sea so you

00:11:25.500 know the senate ethics major you know sheldon white house wants to talk about accountability

00:11:28.920 and having uh entities being able to question the justices they should take a look in the mirror he

00:11:35.560 should take a look in the mirror the senate ethics committee should investigate um sheldon white

00:11:40.320 house there's a complaint that was filed i think it was a 21 page letter from tom fitton and judicial watch

00:11:45.520 good friend um bringing um bringing bringing the receipts i've i've been writing on white house and

00:11:50.460 his uh work with uh helping his his wife over the years um this is what we need to do we need to bring

00:11:56.260 accountability to those senators right who are throwing stones and attacking great americans like

00:12:04.520 justice clarence thomas like sam alito that's what's going on here there needs to be more sunshine

00:12:10.700 and more focus on the senate and in what they're doing their lack of accountability i think the

00:12:17.080 senate ethics committee hasn't held anyone accountable for something since 2004 right it's a joke they talk

00:12:23.280 about having an ethics committee they don't do anything they protect each other if you'll remember

00:12:27.100 what do we call him uh senator goldbars right menendez is walking around the senate he's indicted by the

00:12:33.240 justice department right as a foreign agent for a for a foreign government uh you know and and they

00:12:40.640 allow him to have classified briefings they allow him to vote on things and it's just outrageous the

00:12:46.260 hypocrisy and lack of accountability in the senate you see the same thing in the house right with

00:12:51.660 democrat henry cuellar another guy who's accepting you know allegedly accepting bribes and indicted by the

00:12:57.480 biden justice department and and and and i think as a foreign agent um cra where i'm a senior fellow

00:13:03.880 center for renewing america run by you know headed by russ vote uh we filed a complaint against

00:13:09.340 representative jamie raskin who you know somehow forgot to disclose that his wife had a 1.5 million

00:13:15.740 dollar asset um and he only disclosed it after she sold it uh so you know they want to look at the

00:13:22.440 supreme court the supreme court is our most independent institution right now the supreme court

00:13:26.920 is fine ethically right they you know they're they're actually subject to recusal laws they're

00:13:33.280 unlike unlike the congress you know the congress is the only entity of our three branches that does

00:13:40.200 not have a conflict of interest law that applies to them they conveniently accepted themselves

00:13:44.680 exempted themselves from it they do have an ethics code that's pretty broad in terms of allowing

00:13:50.160 them to do things on behalf of their own financial interests but i think that as tom fitton's letter lays out

00:13:55.280 senator whitehouse crosses that line um in terms of helping his wife out so um yeah you know there

00:14:03.120 are attacks on the supreme court you saw some of the polling today steve that shows that um the congress

00:14:09.500 the united states congress's approval rating is at i think uh 18 percent right approval rating their

00:14:16.500 disapproval rating is something like 68 percent 68 percent of the american people think

00:14:22.600 not well of the united states congress and yet here is senator whitehouse and others right attacking

00:14:28.600 the supreme court they've helped lower the supreme court's approval rating i think it's in the 30s

00:14:34.040 right now maybe 35 or so um and they're in and their disapproval is up but it's nothing like uh the

00:14:40.440 congress and the posse the american people need to get out there defend the supreme court defend justice

00:14:48.220 thomas defend justice alito uh these are good people uh these are good people you know great

00:14:53.260 justices and great americans and of course the left is attacking their wives for what for flying flags

00:15:00.220 right the appeal to heaven flag um uh in the alito's case right attacking jenny thomas right for being a

00:15:08.220 political activist uh just outrageous stuff but um but but again good news but we need to keep the heat on

00:15:16.220 yeah i want to just go back through that before i lose you because this is so important and remember

00:15:22.520 the theory of the case they're trying to they're trying to contract the court now about the the trump

00:15:29.280 decisions to expand the court later if they win they want to pack the court but let me go back through

00:15:34.720 this so it's pretty official up on capitol hill the first wave of this attack which they went all in

00:15:40.280 we've kind of beaten off um and that is you know uh jake sherman and other insiders are saying hey

00:15:47.180 it was a and they're using harsh terms it was a flop it was a failure uh they're gonna they're gonna

00:15:53.540 shut down this avenue attack they're gonna think of something else your point is that hey we beat

00:15:59.240 off that attack because the war and posse and other cra you were out there we were forced

00:16:03.860 multiplied got that information out to people right and and people didn't back off and particularly

00:16:08.860 what i think was great is roberts and alito didn't back off right and particularly alito's wife who

00:16:15.620 is as you know the top of my short list for vp uh right now because i i think she's amazing

00:16:20.780 um yeah she's great american she tough we need she tough as boot leather i want her i love her um

00:16:28.740 you're saying now though the time is to hold those if they're going to play that kind of thing is that

00:16:33.520 let's go back and have full transparency and let's start looking at conflicts of interest

00:16:38.140 if they're talking about jenny thomas and they're talking about um what martha and uh alito uh you

00:16:45.920 know with the with the flags let's go ahead and talk about real conflicts of interest and let's get on

00:16:50.220 with it uh and that we got to push it it'll be quite hard is the ethics committee in in the senate

00:16:55.780 like the house it doesn't matter who controls it you can actually put forward senators can go through

00:17:01.260 or people can go through and put forward what tom finton's talking about not just one side controls

00:17:06.280 it and therefore there's never any investigations you know it's still an inside club right i think

00:17:13.000 the senate ethics committee is worse than the house ethics committee but they're both pretty bad they

00:17:16.880 don't take action against members i think i put up something i think it's been there were like 1500

00:17:21.960 complaints that were filed and nothing's come of any of them um um tom jones from american

00:17:28.920 accountability foundation another good friend he filed an ethics complaint against jamie raskin

00:17:33.340 representative raskin over these same allegations about not disclosing his wife's assets a million

00:17:37.680 dollars um um you know until after he sold it and they never acted on it cra came in and followed up

00:17:44.520 with another complaint this year a couple months ago um i think what the american people need to do

00:17:49.700 what the pasta need to do is make this more public right these are you know this is inside swamp

00:17:54.960 stuff in terms of the ethics committee think about it i don't think the ethics committee has done

00:17:58.080 anything on senator menendez is that insane i mean here's a guy who is a foreign it's alleged to be a

00:18:04.140 foreign agent uh walking around with gold bars and the senate ethics committee is like oh you know we'll

00:18:08.780 just we'll just sit on our hands and let that go on same thing with raskin so i think having more

00:18:13.840 right i think what's happened right the media the left-wing media has gone after the supreme court

00:18:20.980 something fierce right every day you're reading about these justices all these smears and yet all

00:18:26.240 of these things that are going on in the senate and the congress nobody's really paying attention

00:18:29.700 to them because there's no media attention to them right they go in they're going to protect

00:18:33.020 themselves they're not going to really do a heavy duty you know senator white house is talking about

00:18:38.280 having to give statements right justices having to give statements let's see senator white house give

00:18:42.800 a statement about whether he coordinated with his wife whether he was helping his wife whether he

00:18:46.840 talked to her about her business concerns one other thing i love chief justice roberts slamming the door

00:18:52.900 right on durbin and white house trying to insert themselves into an ongoing case make no mistake

00:19:00.000 right when you seek to go talk to the supreme court the justices and the chief justice about an ongoing

00:19:05.300 case and who should be recused you are trying to mess with an ongoing case that is unethical in my

00:19:11.900 opinion okay congress separate branch they have oversight they are not allowed in my opinion to do

00:19:17.760 anything like that you know a recusal matter right is a entirely judicial opinion a decision um and the

00:19:25.480 supreme court all nine justices issued the code of ethics right all of them all nine of them um saying

00:19:31.160 that recusals are left up to individual justices not the court uh mark where did they get your book

00:19:39.620 where they get your writings where they get you at cra in particular your social media because we're

00:19:43.840 in this fight and now we're pivoting and going on offense sure um at mark payoletta on x uh mark

00:19:50.440 payoletta.com is my website my book uh that you have right there uh created equal clearance thomas's

00:19:56.220 own words is just published today in paperback it's a fantastic read on justice thomas i urge you to buy it

00:20:03.460 you won't regret it uh our greatest living american our greatest justice um and um and again at cra

00:20:09.760 center for renewing america is doing great work with with uh with russ vote

00:20:13.400 no no russ vote amazing across the board and you particularly are the tip of the spear on this the

00:20:19.960 supreme court the federal judiciary vitally important mark payoletta is my mentor if we hadn't had mike

00:20:26.120 davis mark payoletta and don mcgan you would not have this great court trust me these guys thought it

00:20:31.640 through and it was just magnificent work mark you never get enough credit thank you sir thanks steve

00:20:37.360 thanks for having me on uh it is the 35th commemoration of tiananmen square dr thayer did

00:20:45.440 amazing job last night which was really dawn in beijing um it is uh the 82nd uh commemoration or

00:20:54.560 anniversary of midway which uh as a naval officer is one of the greatest victories in the history of the

00:20:59.900 united states navy or any navy but i want to start i got a thayer dr thayer and captain finnell i got

00:21:05.700 to start with this and i got it late to denver if you can't put it up uh it's an article i think it's

00:21:11.240 from the telegraph but it's uh it's about this uh i believe the singapore uh defense uh conference

00:21:18.560 captain finnell you you've brought up many times that there's an admiral now really in charge of the

00:21:24.280 pla which is pretty extraordinary given it is still a land-based um military but they did this as a

00:21:32.120 signal that hey it'll be the navy that will take taiwan this brother through i mean you've teed it up

00:21:39.720 to this audience but this brother threw down hard about hey anybody that gets any notions of that it's

00:21:46.160 not a province of the chinese communist party in mainland china you will essentially be destroyed

00:21:52.000 can you give me your thoughts first about uh this kind of new throwdown uh in regards to uh the

00:21:57.860 people's liberation army slash navy in taiwan sir well good evening steven thanks for having us on

00:22:04.860 uh yeah admiral dong jun is the new commander the minister of defense for the prc first time in the

00:22:11.700 history of the prc that they've had an admiral and he was down at the shangri-la dialogue uh three-day

00:22:18.460 event uh were big defense uh discussions that happen every year in singapore and this was his

00:22:26.080 year is just taking the job and uh and he was down there and he as the title of the article you guys

00:22:32.220 highlighted he talked about that he would crush uh anyone he talked specifically to taiwan we'll crush

00:22:38.280 the separatists in taiwan but he also said or anybody else who gets involved which is a direct

00:22:42.940 threat to the united states and this admiral is not somebody that's just uh talking out of the side of

00:22:48.300 this you know just you know blowing smoke i mean this guy's got background in this uh 10 years ago

00:22:54.320 he was the east china sea fleet commander but he was then appointed to be the first uh commander of

00:23:01.380 the joint operations command center that is still in existence still stood up today but it was the first

00:23:07.520 command center that the prc and the pla stood up to take taiwan from a joint perspective like we fight

00:23:14.160 wars so for a decade he had he founded that he was the first commander of it and he has been working on

00:23:20.620 how to defeat and destroy uh the united states navy the u.s to be able to take taiwan and before he was

00:23:28.280 the commander or the minister of defense he was the commander of the pla navy and in 2022 in december

00:23:34.280 riel a big complicate with all of the senior admirals and senior officers and the focus of

00:23:40.620 the meeting was to how to defeat the united states navy in a great power war at sea and and that was a

00:23:47.420 the conference that he had two two years ago so he's been focused on joint warfare he's commanded

00:23:54.020 their navy which is going to be the prime uh one of the prime elements of their joint force obviously

00:23:59.600 the strategic rocket force and the air forces but he's been uh kind of that leader and so

00:24:05.340 xi xi ping picking him out of you know all the army officers all the rocket force officers all the

00:24:11.600 air force officers and taking this admiral is a clear signal and then the fact that dong joom

00:24:16.540 goes down to uh singapore and says hey we're going to crush anybody that gets in the way because

00:24:22.080 taiwan belongs to us now that's taiwan belongs to us isn't new but the fact that they're talking about

00:24:27.500 crushing us matches similar language that xi xi ping gave this last year where he said he would crush

00:24:33.820 people so so so dr thayer correct me if i'm wrong at the shangri-li strategic dialogue did not general

00:24:43.160 austin the secretary of defense get up there and say we're not close to a war with china we're not close

00:24:48.000 to hostilities uh we need to talk this out it is is general austin gotten the memo yet from uh from

00:24:57.280 the chinese admiral who just threw down at the same conference sir uh steve it's great to join you thanks

00:25:03.920 for having us on this evening um general uh austin is not the secretary of defense lloyd austin has

00:25:10.080 not gotten the memo uh not gotten the memo uh uh from admiral dong and of course is still uh favoring

00:25:16.960 engagement policies which dong was wise enough to uh throw that out too uh jim did an excellent job

00:25:24.880 identifying those elements uh admiral dong also threatened the philippines a u.s ally uh uh critically

00:25:32.320 and thereby threatened the united states directly and you have the american uh secretary of defense

00:25:39.200 lloyd austin at the same meeting essentially advocating engagement uh with the chinese communist

00:25:46.720 party so it's the uh realization of course and just another example of how the biden administration

00:25:53.360 how does that how how does that play to our allies in the india pacific india australia the maybe vietnam

00:26:03.200 south korea i got about 45 seconds how would that play to them the kowtowing to the ccp

00:26:09.360 it's the wrong message to send to our allies absolutely it weakens our deterrence it weakens

00:26:14.000 our posture uh in the indo-pacific our allies are looking to us for strength and you have the biden

00:26:20.080 administration conveying weakness which emboldens uh xi jinping uh and encourages him to act uh expeditiously

00:26:29.280 to conquer uh taiwan so admiral dong's message is very important for the threats that he made

00:26:35.760 for the fact now that he also called out incrementalism right he targeted uh william

00:26:42.240 lies message uh uh inaugural address and said uh admiral dong said mental hang on hang on one second we'll

00:26:50.320 get we're gonna get into all that we're gonna take a short commercial break back in the war room in just

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00:31:26.560 this spin they can't handle the truth war room battleground with stephen k bannon on on on on the 35th

00:31:35.200 anniversary of uh tianemans square the bloodshot in tianemans square what do you mean he also took a punch

00:31:40.080 a punch at incrementalism what what he said uh what what edmund said uh was uh that traditionally the

00:31:48.640 red line had been if taiwan declares independence but what dung what dong signaling uh in his address

00:31:54.640 at the shangri-la dialogue in singapore was that if taiwan crosses uh essentially smaller measures if

00:32:03.120 the taiwanese take smaller measures not declaring their independence

00:32:06.800 uh but uh smaller measures towards de facto uh independence china may move against them the prc

00:32:14.640 may move against them at the end of the day it doesn't matter what the what taiwan does or these

00:32:20.640 steps the p the prc is going to invade taiwan they're going to attack taiwan uh and so we need americans

00:32:28.080 need to recognize that and steve also as you noted 35th anniversary of tianemans square 35 years ago we

00:32:35.040 could have ejected these guys from power right we could have thrown the chinese communist party out

00:32:40.640 now 35 years later what are we dealing with right they're a militarily potent force who can credibly

00:32:47.360 threaten not just taiwan and u.s allies but the u.s itself a lot has changed in 35 years and not in our

00:32:53.600 favor um you're absolutely correct we had every opportunity to throw them out let me turn to captain

00:33:01.680 finnell it's also the 82nd commemoration anniversary of midway and so i want to connect these two uh

00:33:08.960 captain finnell you know i was a naval officer when you were still in short pants but that's okay

00:33:14.480 um a surface warfare officer before many years before you went to the academy um a lot of my colleagues who

00:33:23.440 who many of whom became or some became admirals and a lot of captains and and real war fighters

00:33:30.960 a lot of these folks say hey look the chinese such the pla situations you know bad we got to stay on

00:33:37.440 top of it but if you look to midway you see that these guys will never they can't fight the ship and

00:33:45.920 they particularly can't fight in today's complex combined arms naval warfare that they've just never

00:33:51.920 been in this type of hostile action and that changes everything and you need a navy that has that

00:33:56.560 lineage and that showed in the imperial navy although with their victory over the russians in 1905

00:34:03.200 they really didn't have they really weren't terrific in the tactics and particularly in the moment those

00:34:10.160 decisions you have to make in that unforgiving minute that affect battles and midway is the example

00:34:17.040 talk to me about midway the implications of what it shows about the imperial japanese navy

00:34:21.920 and are is it analogous to today's people's liberation navy that may be overwhelming maybe

00:34:29.680 huge like the the imperial japanese navy but you have people that have never had to what we call in

00:34:34.960 the navy fight the ship right steve well first of all i'm not a ring knocker so we got to clear that up

00:34:41.280 um the uh oh my gosh now now i really love you now i really love you brother

00:34:48.080 we love the academy we love the naval academy we do too but anyway uh the the lesson from midway

00:34:54.960 there's a couple of lessons uh the one that immediately for me is into my background of

00:35:00.000 intelligence is you know the battle of midway we almost lost it it wasn't it wasn't because the

00:35:06.160 japanese were inferior uh war fighters or inferior in their navy as you're kind of suggesting i mean

00:35:13.040 they have some substantial differences between us that eventually uh caused them to lose but they

00:35:20.000 almost defeated us and it was only because of strategic intelligence and by a guy named commander

00:35:25.360 joe rochefort who's stationed out there in oahu at station hypo at the radio intelligence unit that was

00:35:32.160 basically broke from the leadership in washington dc after 7 december when we were you know a surprise

00:35:39.280 attack that killed thousands of people and he said i'm not going to follow the guidance from washington

00:35:44.400 and listen and try to decode uh the imperial admiral's code from the imperial japanese navy i'm

00:35:49.920 going to go listen to the operational codes and so from december 8th until the battle of midway his

00:35:55.520 team down in the basement on uh on pearl harbor there they worked night and day 24 7 to break that

00:36:02.560 code so they could understand where the uh the japanese navy's striking force the keto butai was

00:36:09.040 going and there was great disagreement inside the military inside the navy and the war department

00:36:14.880 and they all you know some people thought they were going to the philippines some people thought they

00:36:18.720 were going to alaska some thought they may come to back to hawaii some thought maybe the west coast

00:36:23.760 uh but it was the guys in oahu that actually had the receipts as they say today they had the data

00:36:29.120 that showed that it was going to be a midway and it was because of their hard work and not following

00:36:34.880 people in washington who were more concerned about careerism which is hard to believe in the war but

00:36:40.480 there was that and so uh that was the reason that we were able to make sure that we had our forces in

00:36:46.640 position uh at midway our carriers and at the end of the battle the three-day battle you know they the

00:36:52.720 japanese lost four carriers and we lost just one but it was so close and if we had not been

00:36:58.480 pre-positioned if we had not had the search patterns and we had some luck and what we were able to find

00:37:03.840 from the japanese fleet uh we could have lost and uh and so i think that's the first lesson the other

00:37:09.840 lesson is is that the japanese they went in with uh training of their aviators uh they were kind of

00:37:16.800 knights if you will they were bushido uh they were you know not they didn't have as many aviators as

00:37:22.480 we did we had enlisted pilots that would fly we had everybody on our team that was trained to a

00:37:28.880 minimum standard to be able to fight and win whereas the japanese focused their aviation on just a handful

00:37:35.040 relatively compared to the mass that the u.s was able to bring and so in a way the japanese uh were very

00:37:41.840 fortunate uh or not fortunate that they lost at midway because if they had won there would have

00:37:47.040 been nothing to stop them from coming to the west coast and then even even then uh you know they still

00:37:54.640 had to fight a military on the u.s side that just had the mass and i think that's something that we don't

00:38:01.520 think about today so in terms of your specific question what did the japanese not have because

00:38:06.320 they haven't had the experience how does that apply to the chinese today i think the chinese

00:38:11.200 have mass today they're massing against us and so they're going to make up for uh what they don't

00:38:17.360 have an experience with mass and i would submit they are practicing in joint warfare and so while they

00:38:23.760 haven't had combat experience neither has the u.s navy and naval warfare since the battle of midway in

00:38:30.240 some ways when we've done some things but in relative terms the u.s pacific fleet the u.s navy

00:38:36.240 hasn't engaged in naval warfare with a peer competitor for for a long long time and so

00:38:43.760 i think we make it too much out of this comparison and we have to look at mass we have to look at the

00:38:49.360 numbers of people and numbers of ships the numbers of missiles and then we have to throw in they have

00:38:55.360 a deep deep uh drive to take taiwan this is a national obsession it's a nationalistic thing that they want to do

00:39:03.440 uh dr thayer i want to tell everybody where to get the book you guys are also working on some other

00:39:11.040 stuff that we'll be able to announce hopefully pretty shortly um real quickly on the 35th uh

00:39:17.520 anniversary of tiananmen um where you have three quarters of the business establishment the financial

00:39:25.280 establishment wants to have a hard re-engagement with the ccp what message would you have to allow

00:39:30.560 baxing you know we've got a massive audience that gets to the vpn to the mainland and to taiwan other

00:39:35.280 places what message would you have to those folks on the 35th anniversary of the bloodshed of tiananmen

00:39:41.200 square the message is that we saw what the charity of the chinese communist party and that was identified

00:39:49.120 of course 35 years ago and it hasn't changed uh since that uh time so the message for the chinese

00:39:56.720 people is that there are people of goodwill uh who support you around the world who are working

00:40:02.000 assiduously uh in conjunction with uh friends and allies and people within of course the the uh people

00:40:09.440 of china uh themselves uh to overthrow this illegitimate and in essence colonial regime the soviets put

00:40:17.200 them in power there's nothing chinese about them uh and that needs to be recognized they're absolutely

00:40:23.200 illegitimate and they are uh a tyrannical communist regime as all communist regimes are it's time to

00:40:30.640 essentially uh close this chapter this horrible chapter in chinese history and open a new one

00:40:37.120 where china follows its own path uh informed by taiwan uh but also the greatness of its civilization

00:40:44.720 uh the greatness of its history uh to uh have a new form of government uh which is freed from communist

00:40:52.160 tyranny amen brother that's one of our our most important things i think we do here at the world

00:40:59.600 support lao baijing in their overthrow of these uh of these murderous dictators uh dr thayer where

00:41:07.280 where do you go to get the book that you and captain finnell wrote uh all your writings your joint uh

00:41:12.240 these great essays you do uh op-eds over american greatness where do people go to get all of it

00:41:17.600 and you wrote the foreword steve and we're very grateful to you for that uh amazon or wherever you

00:41:21.840 buy books and then i met bradley thayer on getter bradley thayer at truth and brad thayer uh at x uh

00:41:28.000 thanks steve thank you very much thank you captain finnell just for our leave for 60 seconds because i

00:41:34.960 took it in your voice are you concerned now that we may not be on top of the intel the true intel about

00:41:41.840 the the uh the capabilities capacities and intentions of the ccp and pla slash pln in taiwan are you

00:41:50.800 concerned at all about that in the in the intelligence thing or you think we're as on top

00:41:54.400 of it as folks were in um at midway i think our folks out in hawaii and farther west in japan and

00:42:04.160 in the region are on it i always have questions and concerns about the folks in washington because

00:42:09.760 that's where things get politicized and as general matt has said this uh this week here up in monterey

00:42:15.040 you know our our victory our sustained uh as a nation our sustainment as a nation isn't guaranteed

00:42:22.240 we have to fight for it we have to work for it and china is coming for us and they have built the mass

00:42:27.760 they have built the capability and i still don't see people in washington waking up and saying that

00:42:32.720 this is seriously important and when they don't say that that has ripple on effects to our readiness

00:42:38.480 and our capabilities and we're seeing it reflected in our ships and our submarines and whatnot

00:42:46.080 amen brother i want everybody to get this book we'll push it out thank you guys

00:42:50.240 35th commemoration of um tenement square what have we learned ben harnwell this weekend of course i had uh

00:42:59.680 i had uh uh peter mckelvaney on today about nigel's amazing um rally it was almost particularly

00:43:07.760 for uk politics it was as trumpian as you could get on the size and scale of enthusiasm but this

00:43:13.680 weekend starts the european parliamentary elections we saw that modi came up short on his on not him

00:43:20.880 himself but at people and we turns out from dave ramaswamy dave ramaswamy tells us because they had

00:43:26.400 grassroots people that wanted to run and the the establishment party said no no no no no we want

00:43:31.200 establishment people is this what what lessons are we taking walk us through give us a tour de horizon

00:43:38.240 on what we're going to see this weekend with the european parliamentary elections particularly

00:43:43.440 the rise of the populist sovereignty nationalist right well with regards to moji's victory i couldn't

00:43:51.040 help but note having won a third victory the obviously as a populist nationalist himself one

00:43:57.120 of the original ones i think along with victor orban in hungary so the world's uh mainstream media

00:44:03.040 opinion reported this victory um that's not bad going is it no three consecutive victories say well

00:44:10.800 this time he hasn't got the landslide victory and that he was hoping for um which i think is somewhat

00:44:16.720 missing the point the point is is that if you run a government successfully and competently

00:44:22.160 along populist nationalist lines you will be returned to office um victor orban himself as a

00:44:28.160 comparison has has now clocked up four landslide victories on exactly the same thing that i think

00:44:34.000 really ought to be the message um and of course that pivots steve right away into the european elections

00:44:39.520 which you're talking about which i think start on on the 6th of june and run on um to the 9th because

00:44:44.960 of course different member states will have elections on different days um look i i'm looking

00:44:51.040 at this you can see right now here in italy for example in the uk it's they're panicking and you

00:44:56.800 know that they're panicking that they're the mainstream center-right governments uh because

00:45:02.320 with days to go they're now talking like an opposition right they're not standing on their records

00:45:08.400 they're saying if we win we're going to tighten we're going to do something about immigration like as

00:45:13.440 as if they haven't been in power for years right um will it be successful i don't think so um i'm

00:45:20.400 going to have great fun breaking down the results when they come through and analyzing them uh really

00:45:25.840 however i have to say to some extent even though we're just now under the shadow of this election

00:45:30.240 steve i have to say that what the press call that the far right that the alt right the non-establishment

00:45:38.000 right it does need to get its acts together to some degree um they've made a few um mr their own

00:45:46.960 goals right a few uh mistakes that they should not have done on on on unforced on tell us about the

00:45:53.760 unforced errors what unforced errors well look you know i've got to come back and hit this thing about

00:45:59.440 about maximilian kra uh in the afd um you know we we did we did cover this very very briefly i think

00:46:07.920 we wanted to come back to it as well um this is the guy who said that basically the ss um in in the

00:46:15.840 second world war was basically comprised of farmers like i think he said like 90 000 farmers that had been

00:46:22.080 dragged in across the country and you can't treat every single ss officer as a criminal he said i want to know

00:46:28.160 what each and every individual ss officer did and before saying that they were criminal now of

00:46:34.880 course to say that now i'm not going to get even into the merits of of his argument um but to say this

00:46:41.120 a couple of weeks before the european elections is i it's full foolish steve it's foolish because you

00:46:47.520 know the consequences that the mainstream media are going to do and they're going to smoke out some

00:46:52.640 politicians who've been pitching themselves as non-establishment right um who are then going

00:46:59.760 to desperately pivot to the center which i think to some degree is is is what marine le pen has done

00:47:07.120 having said all of this steve there were some local elections in germany um just the weekend before

00:47:13.600 last where in in thuringia where um where the afd which was everyone was expecting it to collapse

00:47:19.840 uh actually pulled something like 27 out of the hat um and the cdu uh i think was like a percent ahead

00:47:29.280 of them the cdu vote had fallen the fd the afds had had risen so its vote is still one in four right

00:47:37.360 and its vote has still held up even though um marine le pen uh agitating and successfully agitating to have

00:47:46.320 the um the afd kicked out of the independence and democracy grouping in the european parliament has

00:47:52.720 been a sort of as it has discredited to them let's put it like that the the wider result we're going to

00:47:58.800 see um um after the elections most independent commentators seem to be suggesting that the the king

00:48:07.920 maker uh in terms of the the power groupings and the horse tradings that will emerge after the

00:48:14.240 elections because of course until then no one really knows what the arithmetic is going to be

00:48:18.240 and it is all of it get the horse trading is all a game of arithmetic the king maker is going to be

00:48:23.200 georgia maloney um that's that's presumed given the the various ideological uh um

00:48:31.680 for well the press this morning the press this morning say it's gonna it's gonna be it's gonna be

00:48:35.760 a partnership between le pen and maloney is gonna set the the basically the right the far right and the

00:48:43.200 right uh in in a power position to actually rule in brussels do you buy that steve i have to come

00:48:52.640 back to what i said it will all you know it's not georgia maloney's decision it's not marine le pen's

00:48:58.960 decision um i would definitely throw victor alban into this mix whose current delegation the european

00:49:05.280 parliament isn't in the line uh with any political grouping since he was kicked out of the christian the

00:49:10.720 the center right christian democratic grouping the european people's party which is the largest group

00:49:16.000 um it's none of their decisions i'll tell you whose decision is it's going to be the european peoples

00:49:21.760 uh of the 27 member states it's going to be their decision as to who's going to be power breaker who's

00:49:27.840 a king maker who's going to go up who's going to go down it's individual voters what's going to happen

00:49:32.960 after that is um they are steve they are all vying they are all sort of putting out feelers rubbing up

00:49:40.560 against one another uh trying to strengthen their alliances uh so that when the horse trading does take

00:49:47.200 place afterwards i have to say this which i wouldn't necessarily said a month ago i think ursula von

00:49:52.480 the lion could be in difficulty now um as she seeks a second mandate as president of the european

00:50:01.040 commission but again let's see how the votes uh it will be huge steve it will be huge but it will be

00:50:05.920 very much deserved yeah we'll be drilled we'll drill down on these individual because it's all about the

00:50:12.320 muscle people bring uh ben where they get to your social media and you're in the tremendous engagement

00:50:18.480 you get on getter thanks steve uh my social media platform of choice is getter uh as you just

00:50:25.520 correctly said and folks if you want to tap in my surname harnwell into the search box either in the

00:50:32.160 app or on getter.com you'll you'll find my posts waiting for your perusal thanks steve thanks so much

00:50:39.520 god bless thank you i'm always honored to repost those because it's so great and you get such i'm

00:50:45.360 jealous of your engagement but hey what can i do i can only support you um thanks steve

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