WarRoom Battleground EP 555： The Flags That Made America
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In this episode of the People s Convention in Detroit, Ben Harnwell and Stephen K Bannon continue the discussion on the rise of Nigel Farage and his impact on the political landscape of the United Kingdom. They discuss his rise, his rise in the polls, and what it means for the future of the Conservative Party.
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this is what you're fighting for I mean every day you're out there what they're doing is blowing
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people off if you continue to look the other way and shut up then the oppressors the
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authoritarians get total control and total power because this is just like in Arizona this is just
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like in Georgia it's another element that backs them into a quarter and shows their lies and
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misrepresentations is why this audience is going to have to get engaged as we've told you this is the
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fight all this nonsense all this spin they can't handle the truth war room battleground here's your
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host Stephen K Bannon it's uh Friday June 14th in the year of earlier 2024 it's flag day we're gonna
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get into that in a moment I want to thank the real America's voice team for the great live coverage
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we've had in Detroit at the People's Convention Charlie Kirk and the team uh really thank it
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thank everybody I want to continue on I've got uh I've got uh Ben Harnwell uh Ben's going to join us
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I got uh some things we got to get on the table what's happening in Europe the polling here the
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convergence then Patrick K O'Donnell the great combat historian is going to join me in a moment
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Ben we left the discussion today I really want to talk about Nigel and the surge of Nigel Farage you've
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seen the continent you see what's happening in you see what's happening in um uh you see what's
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happening in Germany the Schultz government I think is going to be replaced for the epic fail they've had
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about the the migration situation the invasion of Europe you've seen the dissolution of the French
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Parliament Macron the post where he was kind of the he took the baton from Obama he was the post
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Obama you know uh the the globalist uh you know star rising star he's been crushed and he got Front
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National Bardella our national rally their their current name on the rise about this issue of of
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illegal alien invasion and the losing of their civilization but the United Kingdom I I just am
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so stunned of how Nigel has brought the reform party to the point that to early today saying hey look I
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could see where we could actually merge with the Tories post uh post um election and I would head
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up of course I would have to head it up I would head up this combined conservative movement which
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right now with them at 19 and uh would be what 37 38 percent not not not great but not bad particularly
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when the Tories are 18 just give me your assessment oh because this is setting up just like Brexit was in
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26 give me your thoughts oh well let's come back to that point about I mean in 2016 let's come back to that
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point about about combining combining the two because that's exactly what really has happened the Tory party
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used to get around I think I think Thatcher used to get around 44 percent um I think she might have got that
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in 87 the 87 general election 44 percent gives you a very very strong majority um in the British House of
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Commons um so that that basically that's the Tory party is divided literally into two um
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I would suggest if uh if they if if these two movements if the Tory party to call them that
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movements the Tory party and Reform UK get their act together under and this is important right under
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Nigel Farage's leadership um that's I think you're gonna first thing is you're gonna see if they bring
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those two groups back together they'll get picked up five percent uh on top of that if they can show
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the country that they are credible they are now credible united around Nigel's vision um who has huge
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pop like Boris Johnson um is a figure who has huge popular appeal even outside his political family
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um in the UK I think he'd pick up a a few percentage um basically within a month um so it wouldn't
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we're not we wouldn't be talking about 37 38 percent it'd be up into the early 40s certainly if the
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if the Labour Party if Keir Starmer wins um obviously because of the realities of of of governing
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his own popularity will fall and and I would suspect it would fall quite uh quickly once the that the
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left in the Labour Party takes over um no I think I think that would be that that would be a very
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interesting dynamic to watch and of course Nigel himself has already sort of mentioned on on numerous
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occasions that he'd uh he's intimated that he'd be willing to work with someone like Boris Johnson
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so if you brought those two uh figures back as a partnership um under Nigel's leadership no no that's
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that's a that's a real dominant force interesting looking at the UK by the way Steve talking about this
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general the the the the the undercurrent towards nationalism that is taking place right across
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um well across the world but certainly uh across as we saw last weekend and the European Union
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um the UK itself is going in the opposite direction um and this is a interesting dynamic of what's
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happening on the right because right now reform UK is is is taking over it's taking over as the the
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the the the centre-right to use the term the the centre-right right-wing um uh opposition from the
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Tory party but as a more nationalist uh version of the opposition than than the Tory party um
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that's uh but but the country itself is moving is moving leftwards to to the Labour Party whereas in
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other countries that the actual full momentum has been moving over uh to to the right like for example in
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France um and we're going to see that really more more clearly more explicitly in the uh the French
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general election in July but but hold it what what no but when you say moving to the left they're
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moving to the right on the key topic of their sovereignty and in immigration this invasion what
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they're rejecting is if the right they're what they're rejecting is American rhinoism the Tories are
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not a conservative party the Tories are a centre or a centre-left party if you look at everything on
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if you look at everything on on climate change if you look at everything on the pandemic with Boris
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Johnson they cratered and caved and basically supported all these essential centre-left and
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sometimes left-wing policies people just don't what they want this is why Nigel's rising in the polls
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because Nigel is a very clear voice on the sovereignty and particularly uh immigration that's why he says this
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is the immigration election I want to address Keir Starmer mano a mano and trust me folks if he ever
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got on TV and BBC and everybody will fight this if he ever got mano a mano with Keir Starmer on a
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nationally televised debate Nigel Farage would be the leader of the country the next day in the polls
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so there's just no way labor goes out of the way not to talk about migration because they understand
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their left-wing open borders uh neo-Marxist the core of that party am I mistaken in any of that
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Ben Harnwell no I mean it's just it's to do with terminology um you know I for laziness though I do
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clarify myself I do qualify myself every basically every time I use these terms um for laziness I
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refer to the Tory party as a central right party um and the Labour party is a centre left party and
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and and that the the sector if you will of government of governance is going to pass from the Tories to
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to the left um to to the Labour party I think that will happen uh this general election um but you're
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absolutely right the Tory party I mean it's only an an a nomenclature which has fallen out of use
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I mean it doesn't really describe the reality because as you say the Tory party is a left
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centre left uh political party in and of itself it's just um it has the heritage of being something
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more being more thatcherite but that's only a name just like just like the rhinos um in the
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in the Republican party um they call they call Reagan yep it's exactly the same we gotta bounce
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we gotta we we gotta bounce but I think we're looking at a I believe having done 16 and done
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all the work uh with Raheem and the guys on uh on Brexit as Breitbart was very very involved in that
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that uh Breitbart London particularly um that we're seeing we're seeing the absolute predicate
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laid a setup for President Trump's sweep in November now we have to execute if you don't
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execute we're gonna get smoke because they're gonna try to steal it but there's something there's
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a tectonic plate shift in the world that's shifting right now and you can see it in Europe Ben where
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do people go to get all your assessment all your analysis uh everything on this because now more
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than ever our International Bureau is the tip of the spear Steve thank you very much um get uh my social
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media platform of choice simply tap in my surname at Harnwell um yeah look I just want to just
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very just give me 10 seconds to finish finish up on on what you were saying um yeah I mean there is
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absolutely something transformative taking place uh right across the political world in the west
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and I would crystallize it as this um with the invention of the social media of the internet we no
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longer have the establishment legacy media to tell us what we have to think we can communicate
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directly you have citizen journalists you just go to an event hold up record it with their phone
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and stream it to their account they can no longer control the narrative that's fundamental I think
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uh to to this transformation that we're now seeing of course you have issues like immigration which is at
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the bottom of this but fundamentally I'll distill it like this people on the right on the central
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right are no longer prepared to accept bullshit platitudes from the establishment hacks but that
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is fundamentally the issue it's enough of it enough of the lies enough of the platitudes enough of the
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fake going through the motions okay uh enough of the they will throw you it will show you a bit of
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ankle throw you a few bones before an election and then betray everything we said we were going to do
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after the election that is now I think Steve that is consigned to history this is all we're going to see now
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over the coming election circles election cycles are people actually manifesting the change that they
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want to see and this is an irresistible force it is actually going to happen thanks Steve god bless
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catch you tomorrow then hard well just magnificent thank you so much for sir president trump had a lot
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revolution in the united states of america north america in 1776 i think it was 1777 14 june 1777
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we announced flag day we asked the best combat historian we know because of the best combat
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historian of his generation patrick k o'donnell walk us through why we why do we commemorate flag day
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how did it come about and talk to us about some of these great american flags sir
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transformative event the american revolution which changes the world steve and it begins in 1775
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lexington and concord and as we roll forward in the weeks after lexington and concord you have
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the battle of bunker hill which is approaching but it's it's june 1775 that the continental congress
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authorizes the continental army on this day on on june 14 1775 where there are six regiments of
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riflemen that are formed and that's important because washington comes to to boston and as you
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know after bunker hill is is uh is occurring there are multiple flags in the continental army the first
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one is the appeal to heaven flag which has got a long history in you know the in the in the united
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states which is a pine tree flag it says an appeal to heaven on a white background and this is
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important because in the summer of 1775 there's a massive supply problem in the continental army
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they don't have gunpowder and it's washington that comes up with the idea of creating a navy
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it's washington's navy without authorization from congress he outfits the first ship which is john
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glover's fishing boat the hannah and i mean this is extraordinary operation a small tiny fishing boat
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is going to go after the greatest navy on earth at the time but they're going to try to go after the
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unarmed commerce ships that are bringing in gunpowder to steal gunpowder from the british as they start to
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create a small tiny fleet of boats they need an ensign or a flag on those boats and this is a massive step
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in sovereignty and independence because we at this point we're still trying to maybe reconcile with
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with great britain there are many um elements of the in the united states that believe that the king
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may actually be on our side you know it's a difference between subjects and citizens though and it's it's a
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step towards independence to have your own fleet and also your own flag and it's joseph reed who is one of
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washington's attitudes that suggest that they fly appeal to heaven on the first washington's first
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cruisers and this is a massive step towards sovereignty and independence
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why did they say patrick why did they say it's an insurrectionist flag i mean
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msmec joyanne reed everybody going after justice alito they say this it's not an insurrectionist flag it's
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it's a revolutionary navy it's the it's the american revolution right this flag they say it's like a
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negative it's it's it's a it's absurd this is an this is an incredibly powerful symbol of our young
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country which still is yet to be totally independent we still have many many months to go and it's
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washington's cruisers that go out and change the course of the early revolution they seize powderships
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that are absolutely vital to the the cause and their flying appeal to heaven and what's what you
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have then is a series of flags are then um flown by washington's army there's no real uniformity
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you have the gadsden flag you have the culpepper uh flag which is also a rattlesnake which is join or die
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and it's a series of the 13 colonies that are segmented in a rattlesnake and it's a that's a story
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about unity where these disparate colonies are to come together to fight the greatest power on earth
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and it's then it evolves and they have something called the grand union flag which is really it's a
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it's it's a it's a tinier version of the british union jack superimposed on the red and white stripes
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which also are very important in american history too because those red and white stripes are this of the
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stripes of the sons of liberty which begin in in the in the 1760s and they fly these the you know
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red and white stripes on liberty poles which the british hate they try to cut them down at any point
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but that's a sign of defiance as well and it's it's as we move forward it's in 1777 which is
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remarkable it's 11 months after the signing of the declaration of independence that there is a
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authorization put forth by the naval committee the flag resolution which states that the flag of the
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13 united states will be 13 stripes alternate red and white and that the union will be 13 stars
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white in a blue field representing a new constellation what they don't say is how those stars should be
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you know specifically aligned there's a lot of um legend around betsy ross it's not there's not a lot of
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documentation but she was providing flags for that for that young navy and she was also very close
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friends with washington and robert morris the financier of the revolution so she may have been
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one of the first people to create the the flag that we now associate most with the with the revolution
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which is a circular um format of the of the of the stars and stripes but this this flag steve
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is so important to our independence our sovereignty and then it can't be overstated enough how important
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a battle flag is in combat not only in the american revolution but also in the civil war as i bring out
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in the unvanquished it's over and over and over that the flag takes on this enormous importance for
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instance at the battle of five forks it's philip sheridan who is in charge of the jesse scouts or lincoln
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special forces and the line is faltering and wavering at five forks and it's phil sheridan that picks up the
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colors himself and waves it over his hand it has a clinched fist and then rallies the men to drive home
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the nail in the coffin of the confederates at five forks changing the course of the civil war which
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causes robert e lee to retreat over a you know almost a month maybe three weeks before he was planning
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to at petersburg and it precipitates this massive retreat and it's the jesse scouts that are pursuing
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him to appomattox and it's here again that they capture confederate flags you know an amazing story
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is how they impersonate they're impersonating confederates and they capture one of the first confederate
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generals during the appomattox campaign a guy by the name of rufus berringer who they they ride up to
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and you know they say good day general and good day to you you have your the advantage over me and
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it's it's henry young that puts a colt pistol right to berringer's face and forces him to surrender
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and a fascinating story is it's a union jesse scout who was a former confederate that is in the command
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of the jesse scouts that seizes the colors of berringer's colors and those colors now reside
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at the new york at the uh north carolina historical society and you know it's just one of the little
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vignettes in the unvanquished no that's why i want to make sure everybody gets the unvanquished we'll
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tell people how to get in a minute i want to go back to because i want to put it on a timeline
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this is what's so great about this country correct me if i'm wrong mr combat historian but on 14 june
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of 1777 it's not like we had had a big string of wins the declaration is july 4th of 1776 or the
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second or third house you know but it's announced on the fourth uh that's the that's our collective
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holiday uh that's where ben franklin tells people it's a it's a republic if you can keep it they've
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already sent a flotilla as you as you and we do it every year at christmas we have a string of defeats
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you've written these great books about it we've had a string of defeats until the christmas night
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uh you know across the delaware by by by by by by our favorite talk by by general washington we
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then went to princeton but the great thing the chutzpah of our nation the spirit of our nation
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is to announce flag day on 14 june 1777 when we're not exactly on a winning streak right i mean the
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british army and the world navy still think hey we got this in parliament they're saying we got this
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that's what i love that's exactly when you announce your official flag is it not sir it is i mean this
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they're the masters of uh of propaganda as well our our early founders knew exactly how to how to spin a
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story especially if you look at lexington and concord and that is a masterpiece of of information
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warfare and and how we controlled the narrative and we we were the first ship that you know we we we
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had affidavits from all the soldiers both sides and we also point out we did not fire the first shot
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we get the fastest ship in the continental navy at the time and make our way to uh to to london
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you know almost three weeks before gage's official report and it creates a sensation in the in the
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newspapers around the world of who fired the first shot but yeah this is exactly what you're saying
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the flag announcement comes out at a low point because oh by the way the massive british fleet is
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is is basically is um uncoiling itself and they're about to land at the head of elk and they're about
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to take out philadelphia a few months later which is the the capital of the of the continental congress
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capital they already control they already control new york um i know you've got a bounce uh i want
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first off the two books on the revolution which are extraordinary and then i want to talk about
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your new book the unvanquished on the civil war i want to make sure everybody gets to him by the way
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you've got all the wars it's just you're you're you're the best combat historian of your generation
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our audience loves you but on flag day find out about the combat history of flag day by reading the
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books of patrick k o'don what are the two books on the revolution the two books are the indispensables
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uh which is on the marble headers and and then then the story about freedom and liberty and how
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you know it changes the world and it's it's american ships that that export that freedom and liberty
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you know i mean it's it's about an idea right steve the idea of america is so powerful that it changes
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the world it destroys empires it creates new democracies and it's you know it's one of our greatest
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strengths uh and the other book is washington's immortals which is on the marylanders and in the
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and the men that saved our country with an hour more precious in our history than any other and then
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would fight for eight years including down south but yeah the latest book is the unvanquished it's the
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perfect father's day present it's at the front of the store at barnes and noble or you can go to
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amazon.com and look at all the reviews that are out there and i'm super grateful for the posse in
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particular for really propelling this book uh to the front of uh you know all the bestseller list
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even before publication by the way it's a bit it's a it's it's a it's a massive bestseller and i
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want to say that uh i was really when i was down at palatan at the freedom caucus and the bob good
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rally uh i think it was a couple weeks ago now uh people came up out of the audience that had met
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you at appomattox and had dinner and just your your personal appearances uh patrick it's the books are
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amazing but your personal appearances and going around the country and talking about these
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amazing uh amazing stories of the of the combat uh courage uh of of the american soldier and american
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sailor and also how many times it's ordinary people doing extraordinary things one after the other
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people absolutely love it so where do they where they go by the way the indispensables what i love
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are the it's the immortals what i love about it's the american thermopoly i mean you get so many
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incredible insights all first person accounts you've got you go back to the to the you get
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the receipts there's no made-up dialogue it's no kind of anonymous quotes you've you've got research
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you research years of these books and they read like novels that's why i think people love them so
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much one more time where do they go patrick and my my twitter handle or getter it's at combat historian
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you can go to amazon.com or barnesandnoble.com which has got the book at the front of the store at the
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new uh the new release bay or even on the father's day table but as you said steve it's all about
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personal agency it's about people doing extraordinary things it's about leadership it's about you done
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steve and how you have created and changed things you've been you know on some of the great inflection
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points of history you understand them and uh you know look at the things that you've accomplished
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uh in just a short period of time with this war room alone thank you i got the easiest i got the
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easiest job in the world the greatest audience and we just give them access to great people like
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yourself brother thank you so much for commemorating flag day with us remember your country on 14 june
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1777 it was not exactly on a roll the british feet the most powerful navy in the world already taken
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new york uh harbor we already had the disasters through uh through new jersey in 1776 we fought back
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but they were about to unload and come down and start to take philadelphia it was a moment when
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we were kind of on our back hills coiling to continue to fight what the revolution was what
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seven eight years finally ended in the south but right there that's where they had flag day 14 june
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