Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 562： Deep Dive With Dr. Arthur Herman

00:00:00.000 this is what you're fighting for I mean every day you're out there what they're doing is blowing

00:00:11.340 people off if you continue to look the other way and shut up then the oppressors the

00:00:18.340 authoritarians get total control and total power because this is just like in Arizona this is just

00:00:24.240 like in Georgia it's another element that backs them into a quarter and shows their lies and

00:00:29.000 misrepresentations is why this audience is going to have to get engaged as we've told you this is the

00:00:33.420 fight all this nonsense all this spin they can't handle the truth war room battleground here's your

00:00:40.460 host Stephen K Bannon Tuesday 25 June the year of our Lord 2024 obviously a huge day for news uh but

00:00:49.280 this is one of the um one of the shows I've really waited a long time to do um we have the uh esteemed

00:00:56.560 uh writer and historian author Herman with us and uh I may not be as big as fan but I got to be in

00:01:04.640 the top three I've read every book at least I can get my hands on I think I got them on all of them

00:01:10.080 author Herman joins me now and we have a very contemporary article that we're going to talk

00:01:16.220 about that you just you were there's in common commentary the other day blew me away about the

00:01:20.380 CCP and current warfare I had Eric Prince on this morning for an hour discussing recent developments

00:01:27.580 in in modern combat um first off your range and I'm telling you some of the books are my favorite

00:01:34.480 how the Scots invented the the modern world about the Scottish enlightenment uh freedom's forge about

00:01:40.300 how America the industrial power of America uh the cave in the light about play just you're you're

00:01:45.840 you're they say in baseball or in sports you're right or in acting your range your range is

00:01:52.280 unbelievable in the depths of the book in fact I give your books out all the time as gifts and I

00:01:57.720 just finished rereading 1917 the book on Lennon and Wilson and all that so author Herman first off just

00:02:04.520 how in the hell do you how in the hell do you do it how do you how many books have you written 20 or 25 0.60

00:02:10.380 no not that many I've written 10 uh total and I'm on I'm embarked on really two now right now

00:02:19.260 um one with my publisher Simon Schuster a biography of Edward Teller right the inventor of the

00:02:26.320 of the of the hydrogen bomb uh and also the architect of Star Wars so and that book is a book that really

00:02:33.540 kind of sprang out of what I was trying to do with uh freedom's forge my problem and I think it is kind

00:02:41.020 of a problem is is that I'm a naturally and irrepressibly curious person and once I get

00:02:47.000 involved and interested in a topic if I can't find a book that really answers all the questions that I've

00:02:53.700 got about that then I sort of say well I guess I'm just gonna have to write it um that was the case

00:03:00.120 with how the Scots invented the modern world um that was the case with the book that was the

00:03:05.160 Pulitzer Prize finalist book actually Gandhi and Churchill about their rivalry uh for not just the

00:03:12.220 fate of India but the fate of of civilization and it was also true for Freedom's Forge um the story of

00:03:19.300 how America was able to generate this incredible war mobilization uh miracle during World War II

00:03:28.200 um from a standing start going to arm our allies two-thirds of all of the equipment and arms used

00:03:37.260 during World War II by the allies were made in America so that book I think of all of them right

00:03:44.400 now is the one that resonates the most with everybody who is involved in any way with our defense

00:03:51.120 industrial base with uh our defense posture vis-a-vis uh our rivals in China and Russia and now Iran

00:04:01.620 and also anyone who's really interested in the fate of manufacturing as a whole and our industrial

00:04:08.340 economy as well um it's a book that secretaries of defense tell me hey this was my favorite book

00:04:15.120 joint chairman of the joint chiefs staff are recommending it and uh and I'm delighted that uh

00:04:21.720 that you've read it and are able to appreciate I think the message which has so much resonance right

00:04:26.560 now today no in fact we went out to uh one of the plants in Detroit where uh on the outskirts of

00:04:35.900 Detroit where where a lot of your action takes place some of your action takes place and President

00:04:40.160 Trump was going to have be interviewed then by Tucker Carlson who was at Fox and so we made a big deal

00:04:45.260 about getting people prepped and had the president uh read the book and I know it stuck with him I want

00:04:50.660 to go back though before we talk about and and this is one of the things we try to uh make sure because

00:04:56.180 we have a huge audience of MAGA activists about how people and groups and institutions can come together

00:05:03.240 and punch way above their weight let's go back to the Scots because the Scots it's the embodiment of the

00:05:09.260 Judeo-Christian West plus the Enlightenment and you have a you have a country that's relatively

00:05:14.540 backwards and then all of a sudden right it it literally invents the modern world and changes the

00:05:21.520 course of mankind's history can you walk us through that what inspired you and tell us the story about

00:05:26.260 it and why it's applicable today well the what the book is about for those who haven't read it yet and

00:05:32.640 it was a it was a huge success when it came out which surprised me surprised my publisher

00:05:38.460 new york times bestseller and of course on the other side of the ocean um in britain it was a

00:05:44.380 bestseller as well it is the story of how in the 18th century um this incredibly poor and backward 0.99

00:05:53.560 country which was really beaten down by a century of bad economic decisions uh had lost its sovereignty to

00:06:05.060 uh england through the active union uh was able to generate an enlightenment all on its own we think

00:06:14.440 about the probably the most important figure out of that is adam smith the the father of modern uh of the

00:06:20.980 theories behind modern capitalism but it was a whole host of thinkers and historians and writers and

00:06:27.620 scientists and engineers um the the the engineer who james watt who invents the steam engine and what

00:06:37.380 i really wanted to do was explain how this really poor and backward country terrible conditions and 1.00

00:06:45.060 climate i mean most scots couldn't wait to get the hell away from home and go anywhere else to america

00:06:50.700 south africa uh to canada in order to get away from it but how that they had certain fundamental

00:06:58.340 ideas and fundamental institutions in mind one was literacy and that book is really about how

00:07:05.700 important literacy and numeracy are as a part of creating the conditions under which civil society

00:07:13.280 can flourish and sustain itself they had a strong work ethic a strong protestant work ethic which means

00:07:23.720 that you don't just do your job you do it to the best of your ability because you know that god and the

00:07:28.340 community are watching and also to it was a country of warriors that the warrior ethos is an important

00:07:37.140 and an essential part of how civilized societies sustain themselves defend themselves and are able to

00:07:44.700 forge the direction in the future and that's why my last book the book my latest book the book on the

00:07:50.860 vikings the viking heart which is about the experience of the scandinavians uh spreading around the world

00:07:59.540 uh through the viking conquest but then settling in america settling in america in the 19th and early 20th

00:08:06.280 centuries and how they bring that warrior spirit as well as strong protestant work ethic and strong

00:08:14.040 literacy and bring that to bear to transform every society uh including america uh in ways that i really

00:08:22.000 try to detail and explain in the course of the book so what i like to think about my books uh steve is as

00:08:29.120 primers of our understanding what institutions what cultural practices are needed in order to sustain

00:08:39.280 freedom and in order to allow free and open societies to defend themselves against their enemies and i think

00:08:47.560 that's i think that's pretty much the situation we find ourselves in today

00:08:51.040 i want to before i go to there i want to i don't want to bury the lead back to the scots on on the

00:08:58.740 work ethic the warrior ethos you said literacy you also but the buried lead there is numeracy

00:09:04.180 we we have completely as bad as literacy is in this country today and i mean people don't i tell people

00:09:11.800 all the time they say well how do you get ahead to how you do this i said one of my biggest strategic

00:09:15.420 advantages is just i've been a voracious reader since i was about nine or ten years old by my

00:09:21.080 parents and it shocks me today in the elites and i'm talking about people that go to the finest schools

00:09:27.100 and particularly new young graduate people i've talked to to say that they haven't read is a

00:09:32.040 understatement they haven't they it's almost shocking how little they've read but the numeracy of

00:09:38.480 the general american population and we deal with this all the time going through the deficits and

00:09:43.480 everything numeracy in this country is is something that's not is not put straightforward and a free

00:09:49.960 people a free people cannot govern themselves unless you have both literacy and numeracy am i correct on

00:09:55.880 that i think that's absolutely essential and if you look at our the the countries to whom we look

00:10:03.040 at the democratic countries uh that we look to as being leaders for example in technology uh in leaders

00:10:11.460 in their ability to sustain and grow their economies in ways that bring that benefit all the population

00:10:20.620 that raise all the boats you look at them right korea japan taiwan uh what what's the characteristic

00:10:28.760 that we see that they all share and that is is a strong emphasis on being able to do the numbers as

00:10:35.920 well as being able to sort of read widely and deeply and to understand your your own cultural

00:10:42.460 traditions and institutions it's a very very powerful part of the equipment that we have really

00:10:48.960 lost from our schools and that i think bit by bit parents are beginning to wake up to the fact that

00:10:55.520 it's not just that this our school systems have been taken over by wokeness but they've also been taken 0.95

00:11:01.080 over by a systematic illiteracy when it comes to the basic skills that you need in order to

00:11:08.120 in order to make a life for yourself and for your family and and to enjoy and appreciate the freedom

00:11:14.600 that you have the three r's right steve is not what it was called that's what it's always been

00:11:19.180 and on the one hand they become a cliche but i think they they really that any kind of educational

00:11:25.940 remake and reset for america has got to bring the arithmetic back into the reading and writing of

00:11:35.860 the three r's what freedoms forge how what is the direct connection because freedom forge you also

00:11:43.900 make this case coming out of the great depression all of it what's the connection between uh how the

00:11:49.280 scots invented the modern world with a backward country that had lost their sovereignty i mean we open 1.00

00:11:54.480 when the book opens they got nothing going on they got nothing on the surface they have nothing going

00:11:59.160 on below the surface there's a lot going on there's their foundation how does that talk to me about

00:12:04.360 freedoms forge how what's the connection there well i'll tell you what there's an intermediary book

00:12:09.240 there's a bridge between the two which we haven't mentioned yet and that's the book that i did on the

00:12:15.020 history of the british navy and the making the physical making of the bonds that hold together

00:12:21.340 uh the modern global system and that book really sprang out of the scots book i gotta tell you

00:12:26.760 steve because i had a whole chapter on scots in the royal navy and the role that they play essential

00:12:32.560 roles they play in the shaping of it but it was just it was one more chapter which i just couldn't add to

00:12:38.800 but no no but but but but hang on this was hang on hang on this is one of my figures the world is

00:12:44.460 one of my favorite books of all of them but it's not just the globalization part it's how they created

00:12:51.060 an institution an institution that had its own mores and customs and that institution went from

00:12:57.200 something very tiny to literally what was the predicate what was the underlying of the empire they

00:13:03.440 built this creative this massive empire was predicated on an institution that when it first started

00:13:08.620 was quite small in fact in the book the way that you know that they they were they were privateers

00:13:13.920 they were all buccaneers and pirates that the crown would give a would get but they were pirates

00:13:18.400 the crown would give a a letter of mark or give them a they give them territory and the crown would

00:13:24.100 take 20 percent off the top or they would take 20 percent and the crown get the rest and they built

00:13:28.220 it into one of the greatest institutions ever built by western man is that not correct sir

00:13:34.820 that's really true and and really the the first globo cop right is what the royal navy was for

00:13:41.700 uh almost 200 years um as a result of that and as you just said springing up from a tiny group of

00:13:50.100 brigands and privateers perched on the extreme western edge of of the british isles and cornwall and in devon

00:13:59.920 and in the course of time they come to create this massive military force unchallenged unchallenged by

00:14:07.960 any opponent for for 200 years but one of the things that struck me in writing that book steve

00:14:14.180 to rule the waves was when looking at the history of the royal navy was coming to understand

00:14:18.880 that the royal navy was in the 18th century it was the largest industrial enterprise in the world

00:14:25.040 building and making and out and outfitting and maintaining that navy

00:14:31.160 second to none and that got me interested in how military history the course of understanding

00:14:39.440 military history rests on the shoulders of an ability of a society of a nation to produce the goods

00:14:48.400 and to produce the material that allow that military to move forward to victory and so that insight into

00:14:57.900 the way in which how you win wars or how you lose them is to a large extent determined by the degree to

00:15:05.380 which you have an economy and an industrial base in the modern world that can support it is what led me

00:15:11.380 to the story about freedom's forge and you know freedom's forge it began as an historical work because i thought

00:15:17.460 here's this great story about another part of the greatest generation right um not that part that

00:15:23.720 served it in the pacific at iwo jima or you know that landed in normandy uh on d-day but the one that

00:15:32.040 worked in the factories that built the tanks and the airplanes and the and and assembled the the parts

00:15:41.480 and equipment for radio sets for radar sets uh men and women and all of these and all of these functions

00:15:49.660 and all these roles that they came to play in making the arsenal of democracy about that here they

00:15:56.980 sacrificed so much and dedicated themselves so much to this effort that i felt that this was a story

00:16:03.820 that had been kind of left out when we did think about the way in which we were able to be the

00:16:11.080 leader of a free world and win that win that the biggest war the biggest conflict in history and it

00:16:18.140 was i think then having to then find two at least two or three characters who would kind of epitomize

00:16:25.700 that leadership and to make people understand that this leadership came not from washington and that's one of

00:16:32.940 the things i wanted to to dispel the myth that somehow you know bombs dropped on pearl harbor

00:16:38.200 and then franklin roosevelt and washington dc then told everybody go out there and make start making

00:16:45.620 war material start making tanks and artillery pieces and and war planes no this was a private sector led

00:16:53.600 private sector equipped enterprise that got underway a year and a half before the war year and a half

00:17:00.960 before to make america ready and to bring it into a state in which when those bombs dropped at pearl harbor

00:17:07.220 we were already off to a running start and we'll be able to surpass and and fight war on two fronts

00:17:13.960 you know in the pacific as well as in europe that's the story i really wanted to tell and and it's one that i think

00:17:19.860 now particularly resonates if you get to go back to the trilogy one thing that fascinates me about this

00:17:29.780 both the scots as a as a beaten and backward country the people the even the british mocked and kind of

00:17:36.800 ridiculed the royal navy starting with really in the caribbean and and and a group of buccaneers

00:17:42.560 right essentially pirates and even in freedoms forge you got the great depression all three

00:17:48.280 show how these things start small but there's some organizing principle or something and then

00:17:55.160 and remember these are not small things the scots you could argue did create the modern world the

00:18:00.800 scottish enlightenment the royal navy was one of the most if not most powerful institutions the world

00:18:05.720 had ever seen at the top of its game freedoms forge out of nowhere the united states built to arm uh to

00:18:12.500 arm a global conflict in which hundreds of millions of people were killed i mean the armaments

00:18:16.180 themselves were just massive but they all had small starts in that process particularly as people

00:18:21.800 look and are trying to create or trying to uh make sure that they guide things what is it what are the

00:18:27.840 lessons learned for for that you've got to look for to see if it's happening at the time at the time

00:18:33.100 that you actually live in it's really hard to predict i think that's one of the things one of the one of

00:18:38.680 the most fascinating things about history is just how unpredictable it is because of course you and i

00:18:46.460 could drop a list of countries which were which were uh very poor which had strong work work ethic

00:18:54.620 no natural resources and material resources to draw upon uh beaten up and oppressed by their neighbors

00:19:02.200 and their story doesn't end with the kind of enormous uh explosive success that comes with the scots

00:19:11.940 that comes with the with the english um with as a maritime power uh that comes from america's uh armed forces

00:19:22.580 which were when you know in 1939 well the the 17th largest uh army in the world i mean we were we were

00:19:32.040 a second or even third rate power from a military standpoint when war threatened here or or in the

00:19:39.240 case of scandinavians and the vikings as well um their their enormous sweeping success there are many

00:19:46.020 other examples that you could sort of say i'm going to put my money on this group on this community

00:19:52.440 and but but the thing the thing the thing that strikes me would particularly go back to the scots

00:19:57.920 book when you look at it you have france that has everything a great culture uh deep religious faith

00:20:03.660 they have resources that are amazing they have literacy they have uh you look at france you look

00:20:10.000 at at the same time if you look at the scots when you're doing this you look at france you look at

00:20:15.200 germany even though they're divided you look at russia with all the resources the russians have and

00:20:19.440 everything the romanos had and they all led they all led to disaster and revolution 1.00

00:20:24.340 destruction and destruction and the scots who are kind of these these these these backward people 1.00

00:20:30.220 actually create a world in which peace and prosperity and peace and all that come from sir

00:20:35.960 that's true but let's not forget it's one of the things i emphasize in the book

00:20:40.760 is that thanks to the active union of 1707 which is really where the book that book starts

00:20:45.780 which the scots had to be dragged really almost kicking and screaming into union with england

00:20:53.200 um and who saw it as being well that's that's that's the end of end of scotland as an independent

00:20:59.820 kingdom as a as a as a separate destiny um and yet it was able to the scottish virtues

00:21:08.040 right which we just talked about literacy and numeracy strong work ethic uh that warrior spirit

00:21:14.860 were able to integrate into institutions free institutions that were able to support

00:21:22.040 uh and really make use of of all of those qualities and virtues and you could say that's pretty much the

00:21:28.040 case with the regard to the freedoms forge as well that yes we did have a military which was in in in a

00:21:36.440 in a sorry state the japanese the germans even the italians uh were far ahead in terms of the military

00:21:44.220 technologies that they had uh in 1939 1940 even 1941 but the need to rearm fit into the free institutions

00:21:55.660 of american capitalism of a productive economy like no other and in which people were incentivized

00:22:03.680 uh to to to turn loose that energy that drive that makes us made us a strong industrial power the greatest

00:22:14.560 industrial power at the time that anyone had ever seen and to divert that and to channel that in ways

00:22:20.880 that could create a war uh a war capability a war machine like no one had ever seen uh from but not just the

00:22:30.320 size of the output that we were able to achieve and i described that in the book uh you know the shipyards

00:22:38.400 by 1944 building eight aircraft carriers a month turning out a merchant ship three times three a day

00:22:48.880 um war planes coming off of the assembly line you know every 15 minutes but which was also able to

00:22:56.560 create this super bomber the b-29 i talked about that in detail about the book an impossible undertaking

00:23:04.720 uh in terms of the complexity the technologies that were involved uh makes the building of the f-35

00:23:11.440 joint strike fighter look pretty straightforward and elementary by comparison uh and then of course the

00:23:17.120 the atomic bomb um the the productivity of the economy became a driver for innovation and for new ideas and

00:23:28.080 new and better ways of doing things and that i think is an essential story for all of these all the books that

00:23:34.400 you've very kindly brought up and and have talked about here as well and once you've got that set of

00:23:40.880 virtues you can turn that energy loose either in to do evil or you can turn it loose to do good and in

00:23:48.720 a society in the government like ours the american experiment it's possible and we can do that we have

00:23:55.680 done it and i think steve my own view is we're going to do it again that's what i want to ask you those sets

00:24:02.960 of virtues in that sense of urgency or the unleashing of the animal spirits is that is that are we like the

00:24:09.840 scots to a degree i mean but do we do we still have those virtues not just in leadership but also

00:24:16.480 in the in the american people uh the the common man and woman and do we have that sense of urgency

00:24:22.000 or that ability to unleash the animal spirits to take us to the next level i i my own view is is that

00:24:29.360 i think we i think we do and i think that all the kind of negative stories that you hear about our gen z

00:24:34.640 leaders uh and the other preceding generations and everything that makes you despair about you know

00:24:41.840 the kids who spend waste their time on tiktok and with uh being absorbed into this unreality of social

00:24:50.240 media etc etc for every one of those kids i see them and i meet them all the time the kids who are

00:24:57.920 who believe strongly in this country uh who are working hard to find a way in which they can

00:25:05.200 contribute to the future for whom uh the the world of of of computers of coding of high tech uh has just drawn

00:25:19.360 in and drawn out their best qualities in many ways and who i think are precisely as we were just saying

00:25:26.880 waiting for opportunities waiting for opportunities to turn that energy to turn those imaginations and

00:25:32.880 direct them towards ways that will make us stronger and will also i think defend freedom in the in the

00:25:39.280 broadest possible sense and make america um really what what it what it is and should be you know this

00:25:46.320 this enormous great experiment in how free people can can create the lives for themselves and become

00:25:53.520 a big beacon under the rest of the world doesn't mean it's inevitable uh things that can go wrong and

00:25:59.920 things have gone wrong but i'm a firm believer that the american experiment is alive and well and is

00:26:07.040 waiting for us all to waiting for the green light uh to be turned loose i see this you know with my book

00:26:15.120 freedom's fortune response that i get from uh in the defense community from startups i see it in

00:26:21.120 the realm of artificial intelligence and quantum and high tech uh these incredible youngsters incredible

00:26:27.760 new this rising generation that sometimes i have to say steve i think about as the next greatest

00:26:33.520 generation i think they're there it's just they're waiting for the institutions to recognize them and turn

00:26:39.200 into those uh author if you can hang on for one second our guest is author herman one of the um i think

00:26:46.400 the best writers of history and kind of understanding historical process short commercial break we're

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00:33:10.640 free women and can make your own decisions go check it out today so so author a couple things just one 1.00

00:33:16.320 when you find a topic there's not a book out there that you think what's the process your research your

00:33:21.840 you then how long it takes to write to plan it but you've done 10 books and you've done 10 books

00:33:28.240 over how many years let's say the first one the idea of decline in western history that came out in

00:33:34.800 1997 um and i think one of the things that i can say about the book usually i try to do a book every

00:33:42.960 two years is that and this is part of that you know that curiosity is is that they're all that these

00:33:52.000 books cover a wide range you know i mean anyone else would sort of say how is it that you one leads

00:33:57.760 to the next to the next and i say well actually there is a roadmap in my mind that leads one to

00:34:02.400 the next but uh they're not all sort of you know on the same subject or we each one is not a rewrite of

00:34:07.920 the last one that that's not how that's not how my work is it's and i get i would get really bored

00:34:14.240 doing that and there's nothing worse than boring yourself uh i really need to keep stimulated and need

00:34:20.560 to keep looking ahead and learning new stuff and finding out about new ways it's one of the

00:34:25.760 reasons that drew me to quantum technology for example uh you know i'm not a physicist i'm not an

00:34:31.760 engineer but i came to real suddenly realized that quantum technology and quantum computers were going

00:34:37.360 to play this huge role in shaping the future of the 21st century i said i gotta learn everything i

00:34:42.480 can about it and about how that works so most of my writing work is and one of the things that i think

00:34:49.360 has really been helpful for me is uh not to try and do all the research before you start writing

00:34:57.840 i like to start writing right off the bat to develop an outline to develop a sense of what each character

00:35:05.920 each of the chapter is going to look like what i'm going to want to say based on the first round of

00:35:11.440 research and so if you kind of think about it in that way that you write the book and then you do the

00:35:17.360 research um that makes it much easier to have a kind of coherence that goes with the with the final

00:35:26.000 product because it's already fixed in your mind this is what i need this is what i don't need in

00:35:30.880 order to make this bring this book into a conclusion in order to finish that up

00:35:37.120 for people to be able to get access to your writings do you do is there a book you would recommend

00:35:42.000 start with do you have a i hate to ask a a writer if he has a favorite book but what would be your

00:35:48.160 recommendation for an audience that maybe is not familiar with your work uh to start getting access

00:35:53.360 to it you know if you ask that my wife beth will people ask that question so what's his favorite book

00:35:59.760 and she said usually it's the one he just published um and that is and they're like

00:36:04.080 and that is true i mean it's like your kids right people say they're saying which is your favorite

00:36:10.400 child i mean how you can answer a question like that they all have their different character their

00:36:14.560 different directions but i suppose if i were to pick one in which to really get started with

00:36:19.840 maybe the one that we've been one of the ones we've been talking about how the scots invented the

00:36:23.680 modern world is a is a good place to start because i think it's it's paced very well as a good

00:36:30.560 flow to it people have talked to me about this and about you know books are these people say

00:36:37.440 do not pick up one of arthur herman's books before you go to bed because you won't turn out the light

00:36:42.080 you really want to find out what happens next and i think that's an important role for anybody who's

00:36:47.200 writing history uh and trying to create recreate a historical epoch for people that they can immerse

00:36:53.840 themselves involved in um i would also recommend the cave in the light which is the book on

00:36:59.760 the eternal struggle between the followers of plato and aristotle i'm really happy that you read it

00:37:05.120 and that you appreciate it um it's a book that has been used for example in high school classes

00:37:10.880 interestingly enough advanced placement classes have used it because it's really a kind of history

00:37:16.880 of western civilization is what that book is really all about uh and tracing that through the evolution of

00:37:23.680 great books and that was one of the reasons i wrote that book is to clue people on to the great

00:37:30.240 texts and the great works that underlie uh our civilization um and to make them perk their interest

00:37:37.680 and curiosity about them as well as about the two main characters plato and aristotle and freedom's

00:37:44.080 forge yeah freedom's forge for sure i think that's one yeah it's it's rare for me to go by a week

00:37:52.320 without two or three people writing to me and say you know my father now they say my grandfather

00:37:58.080 you know and or grandmother worked in a factory in new jersey and and worked uh worked at the assembly line

00:38:05.120 um uh building building um uh tanks or or worked in the kaiser shipyards etc so i think people will find

00:38:15.840 themselves and their family in that book and the experiences that they went through in that book which

00:38:22.880 i think also makes it a makes it a great starting point for people uh to to understand our world but

00:38:29.280 also to maybe get think about think about the book they want to read next by arthur herman

00:38:35.920 by the way the the vikings obviously your list that's you can't put it down these are patient

00:38:40.240 you know the basic art that keep them turning the page they want to turn the page there's no doubt

00:38:44.960 uh that's one reason i think your books are so powerful uh the art let's turn to the article um

00:38:50.160 the article about this about artificial intelligence the chinese communist party she new cold war uh it's

00:38:57.360 got a lot of bad news in there a lot i think a reality check i shouldn't say bad news walk us through

00:39:01.680 that piece and why what what what drove you to write that that commentary well i'm glad you put it that

00:39:08.240 way too it's a wake-up call it's not a it's it can be somewhat overwhelming when you come to realize the

00:39:15.040 degree to which just in a couple of decades china has managed to seize upon this technology artificial

00:39:22.320 intelligence machine learning and have used it as a means to advance their global hegemony in

00:39:28.960 really powerful and systematic ways and what i wanted to do in this article uh one reason i chose

00:39:35.680 commentary magazine is because i wanted to write a long article and i've written many articles for

00:39:40.960 commentary magazine over the years and one of the things that i appreciate about them is that

00:39:46.320 they give me room to really explore and explain a subject and i felt with something as important as

00:39:53.840 artificial intelligence and machine learning as a technology as well as what china has managed to do

00:40:01.040 working with that technology that commentary would be a perfect venue in which to which to lay that out

00:40:08.320 and explain it and set it out and what the article really does is show that the chinese and president

00:40:14.560 g in particular this is his baby you know turning china into the leading artificial intelligence nation 0.98

00:40:22.480 this has been this has been his goal uh over the last well probably at least seven eight years at least

00:40:29.440 um and you see it really i think in four important areas that we need to keep track of steve

00:40:34.480 uh and in terms of where china is with this technology uh the first is of course the way it reinforces

00:40:42.880 uh the ability to project a total surveillance state uh through facial recognition through control over

00:40:49.920 data control over people's lives it's one of the most important and one of the most horrific aspects

00:40:55.600 of this just ask anybody who knows about the experience of the weaker minority in china they are the

00:41:01.280 they are under the thumb of china's ai machine the second area is in the military the use by the

00:41:09.680 expanding the power and reach of the military which is you know in terms of being able to advance for

00:41:16.000 example unmanned aircraft by using ai in order to coordinate and to and to speed up decision making

00:41:23.040 and the use of that uh use of it for understanding and uh extracting conclusions from data um but also to

00:41:32.960 make it possible to make decisions faster in the battlefield whether it's a cyber battlefield or a

00:41:39.280 physical battlefield the ability of commanders to assimilate the information they need to make

00:41:46.640 an informed decision about what to do next uh is crucial and artificial intelligence allows you to

00:41:54.080 do that the chinese grasp it and they have advanced it and the military has created all these institutes

00:41:59.520 as i explained in the article to explore and look for ways in which the military is able to use that

00:42:04.960 but there's also a third area of this too steve and that is is that they have turned to ai as a tool for

00:42:12.320 um transforming their industrial economy that through ai if you take ai and you couple it with robotics

00:42:21.520 that you have ways to turn a shipyard or to turn a factory or to turn a warehouse or a transit system

00:42:31.200 into a smooth running efficient a highly highly effective uh and productive uh system all without

00:42:40.000 having to have a single human hand a human operator involved simply supervising human supervising the

00:42:46.960 overall process here and this is i think of all of the areas in which the united states has been

00:42:53.600 negligent with regard to uh what the possibilities of ai and machine learning are um this is the one i

00:43:03.200 think that we really need to we need to think about for ourselves and really take seriously here too

00:43:08.560 you know we've spent all the media our media has spent so much time worrying about ai and whether

00:43:14.960 it's going to allow you know high school students to cheat on their you know term papers when china is using 0.85

00:43:21.680 it to transform and to up their game yeah as an industrial and as an economic power yeah you've

00:43:28.080 lost a lot of time you talked about yeah you talked about quantum community i mean made in china 2025 when

00:43:34.960 you see the 10 the 10 technologies they laid out the five of them are ones that drive you to the

00:43:40.320 singularity arthur we got to bounce we're going to get you back on this amazing and we're the leaders

00:43:45.200 in the anti-ccp movement and this is another great reason why we got to get on top of that right now

00:43:51.040 i want people where do they go for your writings the web page how they get access to your books how

00:43:56.240 they get access to any of your current writings also if you're doing any visits or book tours or

00:44:01.760 whatever where do they go um probably the best place to go find my books is on amazon or on barnes

00:44:08.960 and noble the website there too i recommend it uh barnes and noble um i always find the books arrive

00:44:15.680 great shape and uh and are well packed and organized with it um so amazon is a great place in

00:44:23.200 which to find those you can go to barnes and noble go to your local bookstore copies of viking heart

00:44:28.560 of uh freedom's forge how the scots even my biography of douglas macarthur which we didn't

00:44:34.560 get a chance to talk about which is also a favorite of mine a pic of amazon pick for best history

00:44:41.680 and then also at hudson institute you can check in uh under experts and you can find some of my most

00:44:47.680 recent publications and most recent reports and work that i do on a whole range of areas from defense

00:44:54.160 industrial base to advanced technology uh to even questions about how do we will rebuild ukraine

00:45:02.000 when this when this horrific war is finally is finally over

00:45:07.520 arthur herman thank you so much for taking time away today maybe i will have you on in the future

00:45:12.800 when you and i can debate about rebuilding a ukraine vote that's for that's a topic for another day

00:45:18.080 love your writing love your love your analysis love it all thank you honored to have you on here sir

00:45:22.640 what waited years to do this so so glad to have you on appreciate it great pleasure and and and

00:45:28.560 be very happy to come back and and talk and talk be great thank you sir appreciate it uh if i can

00:45:36.640 recommend uh over the you pick up one of these and start over the weekend you won't put whatever one

00:45:40.880 you pick you won't put down and you'll want to go to the next so pick them but that's how the scots

00:45:46.400 invented the modern world pretty good place to start uh judge gableman i still just very specifically

00:45:53.600 because after your interview yesterday the audience's head blew up getting i just want you

00:45:59.760 to make the case again that if we don't remove robin voss as a speaker of the house in wisconsin

00:46:06.640 your theory of the case is president trump will not be able to win the presidential election

00:46:11.440 am i stating that fairly you're absolutely stating it correctly steve

00:46:18.080 so walk me through why why you believe why you believe that is so sir thank you you know steve the

00:46:25.360 reason why i do believe and i've held this belief for some time now which has been one of the prime

00:46:31.600 motivating factors in me seeking and working for the recall of robin voss you know the wisconsin

00:46:38.800 elections commission which runs all of our elections in this state was the creation of robin voss and

00:46:46.800 i believe that robin voss controls the wisconsin elections commission and it was the wisconsin

00:46:53.760 elections commission through all of its illegal conduct and i'm saying it's not up for debate

00:47:01.280 even when they did it even when they did some of their actions in the 2020 election

00:47:06.400 the wisconsin elections commission acknowledged that they were going against the law think about

00:47:14.160 that this is an organization created by robin voss supervised by robin voss under the control of robin

00:47:22.960 voss and they did everything weck wisconsin elections commission did everything they could in 2020

00:47:30.080 to make sure that joe biden was declared the winner in wisconsin now i delivered my 132 page report

00:47:40.960 in march of 2022 and the first recommendation i made to the wisconsin legislature was to

00:47:49.360 abolish the corrupt derelict wisconsin elections commission

00:47:54.800 not only has nobody and i noticed that the lying garbage wall street journal article

00:48:03.760 from the other day didn't touch upon the fact that not one word of my 132 page report has been

00:48:11.600 demonstrated to be false or misleading or untrue in fact everything i wrote has only been expanded and

00:48:19.440 it just gets worse and worse so robin voss who controls the legislature too he controls basically

00:48:28.240 controls the assembly and the senate he's he's just a he he likes to foster the image of a tyrant

00:48:37.920 he likes to threaten people who disagree with them with jail and prison and will often i have heard tell

00:48:45.840 people in his caucus you either get in line or you're going to go to prison like that other

00:48:52.880 representative that i put in jail i mean it's pathetic he also controls it with a lot of money

00:49:00.640 but here's why i believe that if robin voss is still in office robin has been protecting the head of the

00:49:09.200 wisconsin elections commission a woman named megan wolf whose term expired a year ago who the 0.99

00:49:15.680 senate president wrote a letter that he made public he wrote that letter to robin voss in robin's

00:49:21.680 capacity as speaker of our wisconsin assembly begging robin voss to impeach megan and send the 1.00

00:49:30.640 the matter over to the senate because the senate had the votes to terminate her from office robin not

00:49:38.800 only refused to do that robin voss doubled down and i have heard that he told his caucus that megan wolf

00:49:47.120 was his hill to die in other words he was going to protect megan wolf the head of the corrupt derelict

00:49:56.080 negligent unfair wisconsin elections commission no matter what the cost and when i saw that when i heard

00:50:04.000 that and when i heard other things i knew that robin had to go because not only has has he failed to act

00:50:13.600 on any of the dozens of areas of corruption and illegalities and wrongdoing and naked partisan

00:50:23.680 political acts to favor joe biden that the wisconsin elections commission engaged in i'm talking about

00:50:31.200 failing to protect military absentee ballots i'm talking about maintaining a list of voters in this

00:50:38.000 state which includes three million people that we know who are dead or who have moved away from the

00:50:44.240 state we know that they're part of the three million but they keep that extra stock of spare names on the

00:50:52.320 voters list and if as i said to the legislature in march of 2022 if the wisconsin elections commission

00:51:01.040 is not totally corrupt and nakedly partisan on the side of joe biden they are doing everything they can

00:51:09.440 to give the impression that they are robin voss has not only failed yeah hang on we're gonna have

00:51:18.320 you i gotta bounce where i gotta have you back on tomorrow this is too important and it's it's

00:51:22.320 shocking to me that it's a judge gableman and a handful of other people taking this for action

00:51:27.440 because this is a ticking we have a ticking time bomb in wisconsin and we have to face reality we have

00:51:36.000 to face it uh judge gableman i know you're still not up on social media we're gonna work with you uh

00:51:41.440 and book you tomorrow the next day we gotta get to the bottom of this of this recall of uh robin

00:51:46.240 vasik particularly i think the 27th the 28th they have to deal with it judge thank you so much

00:51:51.520 we'll have you back on here and i think we know categorically the wall street journal that was

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WarRoom Battleground EP 562： Deep Dive With Dr. Arthur Herman

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