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00:00:00.000 this is what you're fighting for I mean every day you're out there what they're doing is blowing

00:00:11.400 people off if you continue to look the other way and shut up then the oppressors the

00:00:18.400 authoritarians get total control and total power because this is just like in Arizona this is just

00:00:24.320 like in Georgia it's another element that backs them into a quarter and shows their lies and

00:00:29.060 misrepresentations is why this audience is going to have to get engaged as we've told you this is

00:00:33.340 the fight all this nonsense all this spin they can't handle the truth war room battleground here's

00:00:40.380 your host Stephen K Bannon Dave Brat sitting in with Stephen K Bannon in the war room today July 2 year

00:00:50.360 of our Lord 2024 it's my honor to have a very special guest on friend for years he's visited

00:00:57.680 Liberty University CEO Summit been one of our honored speakers and that would be the former

00:01:02.620 Attorney General for the United States of America and another Midwesterner and so friendship and

00:01:11.520 bonds in many ways Matt Whitaker welcome to the war room how you feeling today and just please feel

00:01:18.820 free to introduce us and and let us know what your tenure in the Justice Department look like was Lady

00:01:25.040 Justice Blind and what has gone wrong well Dave it's good to be with you I'm joining you from

00:01:31.800 Arizona today I was in Nevada yesterday doing some events with my friend Pam Bondi and the chairman of

00:01:38.860 the Republican National Committee Michael Watley talking about election integrity and swing state

00:01:44.880 battleground issues like the border you know at the Department of Justice when I was there

00:01:51.040 you know we worked really hard to to apply justice evenly we we believed in the Constitution and the equal

00:01:59.160 application of the law and equal protection of the law and we fought every day to continue to uphold

00:02:06.360 really one of the basic tenets of our American Constitutional Republic and that is the rule of law

00:02:13.020 and you know this current Attorney General Merrick Garland has completely shredded that Dave and you

00:02:20.380 know he has targeted all of the awesome powers of the Department of Justice against one individual

00:02:26.520 and anybody that supports it and that's why you have right now Peter Navarro and and Steve Bannon

00:02:31.200 the host of this show in jail for contempt of Congress and why Merrick Garland who was recently held in

00:02:37.980 contempt of Congress has already ruled that the law doesn't apply to him it's a it's a sad day but you

00:02:44.180 know we have really kind of the Supreme Court right now that is helping uphold the rule of law if you

00:02:53.000 look at this opinion just yesterday Dave you know they they wrote an opinion for the ages they understood

00:02:58.260 this wasn't about the 2024 election this was about trying to sustain this constitutional republic for

00:03:05.320 another 250 years and beyond yeah hey let me before let's go there and in one second but I I didn't

00:03:13.440 properly introduce you because you were the Attorney General Justice Department under President Trump

00:03:19.560 that's the most important part of the description under President Trump and you just told us on the

00:03:25.860 war room that Lady Justice was blind and you were executing justice under the Constitution and on this show

00:03:31.460 you know we love to offer receipts evidence for those claims because the the left media is overwhelmingly

00:03:39.260 huge and powerful and not proportional to what we can offer up you have any examples or receipts

00:03:46.680 that you can offer to illustrate how the Trump Justice Department was impartial fair and objective like

00:03:53.500 you said well you know so I was in charge of it between Jeff Sessions and Bill Barr and what I did when I

00:04:04.680 was in charge is I made sure that investigations were done without fear or favor but at the same time

00:04:12.120 they weren't politicized and that we again we followed the law and the facts we didn't direct the awesome

00:04:18.960 powers of the Department of Justice you know and and I think about you know some of the some of the

00:04:24.740 things that the special counsel Robert Mueller did before I took over his investigation you know and we

00:04:32.220 were able to kind of help land that plane Bill Barr ultimately issued the results of that and I knew

00:04:38.920 that they had nothing on Donald Trump and that and that firing the special counsel would have been a

00:04:45.420 terrible idea and that landing the plane and and and getting the report um would be the right thing

00:04:51.920 for our country uh moving forward you know but instead you know what you're seeing now out of Merrick

00:04:56.620 Garland is a weaponization where uh they are using novel legal theories uh you know whether it's in uh

00:05:02.620 the Washington D.C. case that two of the four charges have been ruled uh not applicable to um the facts

00:05:09.320 and circumstances of that case or if the Supreme Court and their immunity decision from yesterday I think

00:05:14.560 all of these things are a clear contrast and you know the the bottom line Dave and if you ask for

00:05:19.780 receipts all you have to do is look at what was happening on the border uh we had it safe and

00:05:25.080 secure a large part of that because we run the immigration judges and we also reduce violent crime

00:05:30.480 in our major cities something that is out of control right right yeah unbelievable so uh so yeah you

00:05:38.080 know we got the uh the Supreme Court uh yesterday on immunity uh way as you said uh huge case the court

00:05:46.480 doing a lot of good stuff the left is is is losing it over that decision uh one of the Supreme Court

00:05:53.060 justices I think uh Sotomayor uh made notes about you know SEAL Team 6 uh being commanded to kill somebody

00:06:00.520 and uh Roberts uh this dismissed that idea is you know nonsense uh silliness uh not not seriousness

00:06:09.380 uh and so why don't you lead us through right uh President Trump uh was in power uh for four years

00:06:17.020 uh and uh no one went to jail uh the Democrats are in power and as you just said uh Stephen K Bannon

00:06:24.680 Navarro and President Trump could go to jail as of January I mean July 12 I think they just backed it up

00:06:30.060 two weeks this morning uh but could have gone to jail too and so uh give it give us an understanding

00:06:37.040 at the at a high level what uh what the immunity decision involves and any of the other Supreme

00:06:42.480 Court decisions that you want to weigh in this week yeah well there's they did a lot of important

00:06:48.360 work including uh dispatching with uh the poorly reasoned Chevron deference uh which I think is going

00:06:55.020 to have a big impact in uh pairing back the administrative state but you know I think

00:07:00.060 the immunity case from yesterday um acknowledge what what has been a long-standing tradition for

00:07:05.460 you know our really at least since our constitution was passed um 234 approximately years ago you know

00:07:13.820 there's always been uh these kind of core constitutional functions of the president that he couldn't be

00:07:18.500 criminally or civilly uh held liable for uh obviously the department of justice ignored that tradition

00:07:25.040 and that that that doctrine uh and so the Supreme Court had to insert themselves and and say what the

00:07:31.320 law is even though everyone up until that point understood what it was but again you had this

00:07:35.860 over-aggressive um uh novel legal theories targeted at one person President Trump uh in order to

00:07:44.160 put him in jail it's it's that simple and it's the cases are falling apart and I think the most

00:07:49.380 interesting thing you know you talk about the delay in the New York City sentencing case I think one of

00:07:55.200 the most interesting things about this immunity doctrine is is they're going to have to go back

00:08:00.080 through all of the evidence in that case and determine whether any of it is uh uh shouldn't have been

00:08:05.280 admissible under this uh new Supreme Court precedent so that's going to take time uh you know Judge

00:08:11.360 Chutkin and D.C. is gonna have to do the same thing on the indictment uh they're gonna have to do the

00:08:15.660 same thing down in Fulton County uh as well as down in uh Judge Cannon and Judge Cannon seems to be the

00:08:22.500 only one that understands the deliberateness that's required uh in a very important case in American

00:08:29.020 history and then you're not gonna just do a slap dash sort of Soviet style show trial like they did

00:08:35.100 in New York City in order to you know sort of get Donald Trump right right you said

00:08:41.260 uh something a very interesting way you you said both criminal and civil immunity have been around

00:08:48.900 with us for 250 years the press has said we've had civil but not criminal uh and they're just

00:08:55.580 hyperventilating on this criminal piece uh and so are you are you saying roughly speaking that that's

00:09:02.200 been the practice and the precedent and it's been well understood and that the left is really

00:09:08.160 really just hyperventilating over nothing here yeah it's not just me it's uh you know a large

00:09:15.740 majority of the Supreme Court and constitutional uh practitioners uh know that the separation of

00:09:21.980 powers obviously requires uh some form of immunity for the official acts of the president and I don't

00:09:30.300 think there is any way around it the Nixon case um from the 60s uh and 70s sort of got us to a

00:09:37.720 certain point on the civil and that was where it was sort of the outer bounds of presidential

00:09:42.240 immunity was founded uh and recognized as being a you know around for the history of our country

00:09:48.040 but you know I think Justice Roberts in the majority opinion laid out pretty clear um you know sort of

00:09:54.140 the historical practices and why that this is ridiculous to suggest as um Jack Smith tried to

00:10:01.280 suggest the special counsel in the oral arguments that there is no immunity at all no matter what

00:10:06.720 uh the act is of a president and you know I just want to say something about these hypotheticals

00:10:11.620 of Sotomayor you mentioned uh these are you know these are nonsense these are you know sort of

00:10:16.480 democrat fantasies uh and don't advance the ball at all because at the end of the day

00:10:21.280 you know the the the broad you know it's not a matter of the president ordering seal team six to

00:10:26.820 assassinate a political opponent that's obviously we all acknowledge that's illegal and

00:10:30.440 and wouldn't happen and there's a lot of other people in that chain of command

00:10:33.720 what might happen though is one president ordering his department of justice to indict uh a former

00:10:40.400 president on novel legal theories and so that's you know that's happened and it's what's going on

00:10:46.120 right now so that's why we need presidential immunity for official acts yep outstanding all right

00:10:52.240 matt whitaker uh you have very calming rational objective ability to explain complex things and

00:10:59.320 make them very simple probably because you're such an honest man uh pleasure to be your friend thanks

00:11:04.000 for coming on the war room brother how do people uh reach you follow your uh writing and your thinking

00:11:08.500 because they should do that yeah a couple things first of all obviously i'm i'm praying and supporting

00:11:14.560 steve you know as he has to you know be a political prisoner in uh in connecticut uh for the next four

00:11:20.940 months but uh whitaker.tv is my website and all my social media channels are matt whitaker 46

00:11:27.160 great thank you matt thanks for coming on we'll have you on way more in the future god bless you

00:11:34.040 keep up the great work you bet all right ben harnwell showing up our favorite international

00:11:42.060 reporter on the scene coming in from rome ben what do you have for us today hey dave um well look

00:11:51.120 there's something that we had actually planned with steve uh to hit um good over the last few days

00:11:57.280 and of course for obvious reasons we weren't able to do it um and that is the fact that 10 years ago

00:12:04.400 there was a very big conference in the vatican um notionally uh with the view on discussing whether

00:12:12.400 there ought to be limits from a christian perspective on wealth creation now i actually organized this

00:12:20.600 conference um and it was something i was trying to push out because there's a current coming

00:12:25.560 through the vatican as has been from the beginning of this so-called uh pontificate or anti-pontificate

00:12:31.480 if you like to call it that um that has really very marxist undertones to it the the pope has said on

00:12:39.560 a number of occasions that the root of um all social evils is material uh inequality and that's basically

00:12:48.760 just a a marxist uh thing so we put on this conference without sort of obviously being hosted

00:12:55.720 inside the vatican without trying to go up because obviously the the pope himself is the lord and

00:13:01.560 master of the whole of vatican city-state so without being too um ingratious we just wanted to push some

00:13:08.280 of the ideas that the pope and many of his colleagues just uh just assumed to be true um and they seem to

00:13:17.960 think that wealth wealth is a bad thing in and of itself um they never really talk about wealth

00:13:24.040 creation they talk about wealth distribution a lot but they don't talk about wealth creation so we

00:13:28.600 we somewhat subversively put on this conference for an organization i used to run called the

00:13:35.480 dignitatis humana institute the institute for human dignity um and the keynote is a three-day conference

00:13:42.760 um and the keynote address um and the keynote address was given by one stephen k bannon when he was still

00:13:52.760 back at bright but this is in june obviously 2014 um a full a full full year before trump uh came down

00:14:02.200 the golden escalator um and it's interesting now i've put this this article up it's i think brought top

00:14:10.280 second post on my feed on getter um i'll post again along with this this hit um and it's interesting

00:14:18.920 rereading this as i say steve and i had planned on doing this quite in depth um but but obviously he

00:14:25.320 was whisked away from us um because looking at this this sort of shows steve's analysis and analytic

00:14:34.280 capacity because there are so many issues that he raises here like the rise of a global populist

00:14:40.520 movement just 10 years ago like a full year as as i said before before donald trump threw his hat in

00:14:46.120 the ring um and so many of these things that put the put the nature and presence of islam obviously

00:14:51.880 the nature and presence of russia by the way and putin um on the world stage so many things that are now

00:14:59.320 basically in the front pages every day steve was talking about these um 10 years ago there is

00:15:05.800 however one thing here specifically is why i'm delighted in a certain sense well that delighted

00:15:11.720 to have the opportunity if we're going to discuss this this this this keynote address on the show

00:15:17.560 that to do with you because you actually come up in this conversation um because then obviously june

00:15:23.960 2014 would be very would be a time very much in your own and large in your own right um psychology

00:15:31.240 right um and we were talking about this upset seventh district right in virginia where an unknown

00:15:39.320 economics professor uh primary successfully eric canter who was the the then house uh majority leader

00:15:47.160 never been happened never happened before since what 1899 from when when the position was first created

00:15:52.840 um and that dave was like and absolutely steve here basically says it's it's like the the the

00:16:00.440 he calls it here it's the biggest ups election upset in the history of the american republic um and in

00:16:05.800 many ways dave but you are the proto trump um because what you did there and of course trump

00:16:14.360 underspent in 2016 compared to hillary clinton i think it was like what two to one

00:16:20.280 um um or something but your ratio your ratio of spending compared to eric canter's is even more

00:16:28.680 mind-blowing it was 40 to one right he spent he threw in five right right five million dollars and

00:16:35.400 you'd raised 200 000 of which apparently you didn't even spend all of it famously i'm just gonna correct

00:16:42.600 you i had one thing quick it wasn't me it was god and the people but i know you know that but you keep

00:16:49.080 going um yeah but you know god requires his uh he does require his agents here on earth to be open to his

00:16:57.400 will um that's right and and steve here mentions that um that uh that eric canter had produced a receipt

00:17:07.960 at an elite steakhouse in dc that spent over 200 000 on one on one on one dinner which was the entire

00:17:16.600 and you and you successfully prime with this guy now i just want to ask you now from the the vantage

00:17:22.200 point and then of course you serve two terms right i just want to ask you um from the vantage point of

00:17:29.160 10 years on now um yeah having seen everything that followed are there any lessons that the republican

00:17:38.680 party and republican party activists and maga can learn about can still learn and absorb 10 years on

00:17:47.160 about what happened um back in in the in the seventh district in virginia

00:17:54.760 yeah well the war room uh in short is the answer i won't go on and on but it's our our big three

00:18:01.160 issues that you weigh in on ben every day it's the border invasion it's the seven trillion dollar

00:18:07.080 budgets and the uh funding of the administrative state the forever wars uh and it's the uniparty

00:18:13.320 right i've gone off on a couple books uh return of the strong gods and then uh glennon's book uh

00:18:20.600 national security and the double government uh back when i ran i was still kind of a madisonian

00:18:27.240 naive midwestern christian guy right and what what have we learned man we've learned the three

00:18:32.520 letter agencies the trumanites uh what they're called in that book are in charge of the world

00:18:36.760 around us and you're you're the best on that on that reporting you understand what the globalist forces

00:18:41.640 mean and uh that that's what where we can do even better is defining very clearly right is that china

00:18:47.720 or the wall street or the global money the billionaires the soros uh the davos crew the defense

00:18:53.160 establishment but yeah i learned money runs the world and it's not even our side the money owns

00:18:58.680 the congress right we just saw paul ryan uh was in possession of the dossier in 16 so you learn things

00:19:06.280 but you you cannot believe how bad they are until you see some of those bombs drop and so i think you

00:19:12.280 understand it all i just learned the money piece the power piece uh and then even since i lost there's

00:19:18.280 been a drop by in this country of religiosity and patriotism and they're highly correlated right like

00:19:23.560 95 percent and that's what we're learning without that strong moral foundation and that's why i'm so

00:19:29.080 proud of all the work you and steve bannon are doing uh in italy the gladiator school pushing the catholic

00:19:35.400 faith and so there's my uh two minutes of fame in short well you mentioned you know about the decline

00:19:44.040 and religiosity even since you were in congress you know as an economist this is actually your your

00:19:50.760 fault isn't it because you you've done a lot of research work on just underpinning how important

00:19:55.320 no no it is you have uh on how yeah a moral christian background is to a well-functioning yeah

00:20:03.080 world creation economy yep yeah no that's right the the left is uh hyperventilating right now uh because

00:20:13.480 they're they're thinking that you know president trump might do seal team six and all these things

00:20:18.200 john roberts called fantasy uh that can only happen if uh if america loses its moral fiber

00:20:25.400 right uh which it hasn't yet but that's what we have to maintain and that that's what the war room

00:20:30.680 right the steve bannon's always talking about the judeo-christian west uh which is roughly a synthesis

00:20:37.320 of greek reason and the judeo-christian religion that goes back to the rabbinic tradition

00:20:43.400 which was based on reason uh and which produced everything great in the west right human rights

00:20:48.200 language comes out of the judeo-christian tradition the rule of law the constitution

00:20:53.080 moses uh the universities harvard's motto was truth for christ and church

00:20:58.360 and yeah that that uh for me there's no other tradition right that's kind of the joke right

00:21:03.800 i always challenge a lot can you name me another world view that you live by seven billion people in

00:21:09.160 the world are religious and uh one billion are not but they uh the the uh the open society people

00:21:17.000 want to exclude seven billion religious people so the open society crew soros and all them

00:21:23.720 are not too open you mentioned about the the the importance of this judeo-christian foundation

00:21:31.880 to western civilization and that's something here looking at this the transcript of steve's speech back in

00:21:38.520 um his vatican address back in 2014 something he repeat you know it's it runs right throughout this

00:21:45.240 his address the importance of this judo-christian uh foundation and what i found most amusing when

00:21:51.000 steve came to prominence and in fact by the way by the way the the buzzfeed journalist who came who

00:21:57.480 sat in and attended this conference he recorded this thing right um good he didn't publish it he

00:22:04.520 he recorded it um and it wasn't until steve became this was thrown into prominence uh when he was

00:22:13.400 tapped after the victory by donald trump as being the new white house chief strategist that this guy

00:22:18.920 lester fader went the journalist went back listened to the whole 40-minute address transcribed it word

00:22:24.360 for word and published it um and what i found amusing and by the way when when he did that when

00:22:30.120 buzzfeed did that um and i always point this out right they within 24 hours it had over a million

00:22:37.400 hits that the web that the page on the website wow and they put about they put a badge on the um

00:22:44.040 on on the website saying like one million hips um and then they took it down pretty quickly and i said

00:22:50.440 to the journalist you know lester why did you take this down and he said oh because um we didn't know

00:22:55.400 buzzfeed didn't really want um to reveal just how popular what steve had said was with people and

00:23:04.200 how much it was resonating why because back at that very point you had people like nancy pelosi calling

00:23:09.640 steve an anti-semite and and um and a white supremacist and that was this this speech that he gave

00:23:17.880 as it were before he was famous um sort of as i say he's talking about that the importance of the

00:23:24.280 judeo-christian basis of uh of western civilization it's in pretty much every other sentence he gets

00:23:31.000 and then the democrat slander machine comes in and just paints him as an anti-semite well how can an

00:23:37.240 anti-semite be give to give give a speech um talking about the absolute importance of the judeo-christian

00:23:44.200 basis it i mean does it make sense but of course and then of course that's why i think rather and

00:23:49.720 rather um rather dishonestly buzzfeed intervened there um and and took that badge off hey hey ben

00:23:57.000 let me say let me say one word because i want to get into a deeper dive with you on this too but this

00:24:01.880 this fascism anti-semitism thing uh you know i i've been reviewing my history books a little bit too

00:24:08.600 and uh national socialism in in germany uh hitler was at first a communist and then a socialist

00:24:15.000 and there's no getting around that right and then the left creates this fascist term uh because uh

00:24:22.840 they needed something new they couldn't be saying you know socialism is a bad thing right there were

00:24:27.960 the marxist socialists and then there were the nationalist socialists of hitler's stripe and all of

00:24:33.000 it's a disaster and so i i want to carry this conversation on with you uh but wrap up uh in a minute uh

00:24:40.280 what you want us to conclude on i got to go uh to the next clip with a minute 30 left so give us a

00:24:46.680 minute of where we're concluding and where we're what what where the conversation is going to take

00:24:50.360 off next time that's that's so important what you just said i really have it hits to the very heart of

00:24:57.560 how contemporary politics is framed and how the left takes semantics far more seriously yeah um

00:25:06.120 than we do on our side of the political spectrum you're absolutely right you go back to the 1930s

00:25:11.240 and you basically see that that the soviets were pushing international socialism and hitler yes

00:25:18.760 was pushing national socialism right it's basically it was exactly the same apart from hitler wanted

00:25:25.640 control over his country and to implement a socialist agenda but he wanted to control it he did not want

00:25:32.440 to cede authority to moscow that was the fundamental difference between you know because of course

00:25:37.960 international socialism soviet com otherwise known as the soviet communism was what was an empire it see

00:25:44.920 it sought to expand um and hitler was trying to he wanted to implement the same agenda only he wanted to

00:25:51.080 be the guy doing it and what the left have done which is one of the great successful lies and hoax hoaxes

00:25:57.720 of modern history is that they've convinced everybody that hitler was right wing and he wasn't

00:26:02.680 he was left wing he was a socialist it's there right correct national socialists yeah it's not it's

00:26:09.320 not hidden from you national socialists nope and he's the one that inserted socialism back in the party

00:26:17.560 name just as a historical factoid right if the left wants to challenge that they can look it up

00:26:22.440 uh but yeah fascinating and so ben uh let's keep this going i think what you just said right there

00:26:29.000 is this creating language games out of whole cloth on the left and and our side unfortunately doesn't

00:26:34.440 pay enough attention to ideas uh except for uh highly educated uh influential thinkers like you and so

00:26:42.120 let's keep teaming up together uh going in depth and uh ben where do people get you

00:26:47.080 thanks dave on getter which is my social media platform of choice at harnwell this is simply my

00:26:55.720 surname harnwell thanks so much dave god bless yep great job ben harwell everybody follow ben

00:27:02.680 harnwell he's getting to the core ideas of the judeo-christian west the underpinnings of everything

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00:30:04.200 well if you look at yesterday it's quite interesting power is actually taken away from the executive one

00:30:09.320 of the reasons one of the things i think msnbc gets wrong because you guys are the ones that follow

00:30:14.040 most closely is look at we're the ones that fought the warrantless uh the the war the warrantless uh uh

00:30:21.800 from uh from the justice department to make sure that you can't uh wiretap you can't look at people we

00:30:27.080 we adamantly fought that the progressives and liberals wanted it because they want they i guess

00:30:31.560 they want more government control we totally fought that we also this is not the deconstructing

00:30:37.800 administrative state what happened yesterday on the chevron deference actually takes power away

00:30:42.520 from the executive branch so you could argue well hey the mega guys if they're so uh for trump fascism

00:30:49.240 and for trump ultimate power in the imperial presidency why did they just do this because

00:30:54.600 president trump will be president for a while but then there'll be other president this is the way to

00:30:59.000 permanently start to take down the leviathan and it's i think i find it ironic that's the mega movement

00:31:04.680 that has been at the forefront of the deconstruction administrative state but also taking away

00:31:10.040 powers of basically surveillance of the american people including the folks over at msnbc we don't

00:31:16.200 want wireless searches we don't want uh warrant excuse me warrantless searches of folks so we are

00:31:21.640 actually more on the sides of what we consider civil liberties we've got about 10 minutes here so we're

00:31:27.160 going to hash through a couple other quick things here so we're going to be jumping around

00:31:31.400 going back to the january 6 committee part of you not testifying was the fact that you made phone calls to

00:31:37.640 donald trump than the president on january 5th two phone calls in i think people already talked about

00:31:43.160 that war room you said that day don't don't give the short quote it's going to break loose good god

00:31:48.360 man it's all okay stop and now we're on the point of attack tomorrow i'll tell you this it's not going

00:31:52.280 to happen like you think it's going to happen yeah it's going to be quite extraordinarily different

00:31:56.360 all i can say is strap in what did you talk to no no no hang on hang on that had nothing to do it go

00:32:02.280 back and please have your producers do the research that was the green bay sweep where i talked about

00:32:06.600 everything we were on the eve and let me go back to the first one hang on and you're talking about mike

00:32:10.600 pence vice president yes what we're trying to do what i have worked on and what the show said for over

00:32:17.240 30 days was a contingent election not being able to certify not having trump electors if you notice i'm

00:32:24.520 never mentioned in this trump elector thing because i told people the state legislatures will never flip to

00:32:30.920 trump electors it's impossible they'll burn down the state but you can get to a point legally and

00:32:37.080 logically that they can't certify the biden electors and if you get below 270 we kick it to the house

00:32:43.560 the rules say we kick to the house for a contingent election in the contingent election we went all we

00:32:49.400 have to do is get to the house that's the end game get to the house for a contingent election how do you

00:32:54.200 get there the first step is obviously some of the states will send letters in we want to rescind it but

00:32:59.880 those those it's going to take you two days the arguments and debates in front of the world

00:33:05.400 to show you exactly what the evidence is that you don't have to go to court show you what the evidence

00:33:09.720 is is going to switch people they're going to sit there and go you know what let's send it back to

00:33:14.280 let's send it back to pennsylvania let's send it back to arizona let's send it back to wisconsin

00:33:18.440 they can't ascertain and certify the biden electors that was the whole point and on the show and that's

00:33:25.000 what i said in the contingent election in the contingent trump wins 26 jamie raskin who's and

00:33:30.680 donald trump would have been the president yes january because we on it goes it doesn't go by

00:33:35.240 individual house matter it goes by state you were seeking state donald trump be the president united

00:33:39.000 states on january 20th sworn in on inauguration day vaughn what don't you get here he won on 2020 what i'm

00:33:45.240 trying to do is use the i'm trying i'm trying and you were when you talk to hang on hang on hang on

00:33:50.920 i'm trying part of the i'm trying to use i'm trying to use the rules of the game as it's set up the

00:33:58.440 electoral counter trump about that no you were not talking to him about the contingent election no he

00:34:03.400 was having no i just i did there were there were personal and private conversations that he's that he's

00:34:08.920 exerted he's exerted he's exerted executive privilege on you were not you were not in the white house you

00:34:13.800 are not certain no no no no no no no no no but i was the hang on hang on no no no no no that's

00:34:20.920 that's all to be hang on hang on hang on that's all to be ascertained by the supreme court

00:34:26.520 what did you have to hang on i just i just told you i'm under i'm under exactly i'm under

00:34:31.640 i'm under executive privilege let's go back to this the rules of the game as set up and jamie

00:34:37.160 raskin understands you're not willing to say what you talk to president i'm under executive i'm under

00:34:41.320 executive i'm going to the supreme court about executive privilege i don't think i can break

00:34:45.560 that executive privilege and talk about hang on hang on you had the opportunity and you're not

00:34:51.240 i don't have the opportunity talk about potential violence on january 6th at all

00:34:56.520 okay the violence hurt us why do you think i want to adjudicate about what the federal government's role

00:35:01.800 in this is the violence killed the whole thing we only got to the first part of arizona and then it

00:35:07.080 stopped we had let me repeat two hours per state there were seven states that came back and said

00:35:13.240 we would like you to review this the certification that is two hours per state per chamber i have uh

00:35:21.320 for i have 28 hours i have 20 hours on global tv to put forward the receipts the receipts that you

00:35:27.560 people refuse to refuse to to review put up by federal officials called congressmen and senators

00:35:33.240 in front of the world and then to get to say guess what we can't actually certify this these states

00:35:40.200 it's below 278 we got to go to contingent election it's jamie raskin that said hey i don't think bannon

00:35:45.720 calculated that liz cheney the one person for wyoming so we win 25 26 24. that's my whole problem

00:35:55.000 i talked i talked hang on where were you on january 6th oh january 6th i was right here january 5th i was

00:36:01.240 right here at the willow hotel i was at the willow hotel for that weekend that was that's an open

00:36:06.920 thing people have talked about i was at the rudy and people we had a war we had a war room there

00:36:11.080 they had lawyers they had uh they had uh they had uh they had media people they had everything like

00:36:15.800 that i think part of steve i think there's a mega movement a populist movement in this country

00:36:21.160 yeah right we talk about project 2025 a mega movement i think i noticed about the deconstruction of

00:36:26.520 the administrative state yes these are all based in substantive policy uh and the future of the united

00:36:32.440 states of america 100 percent i think where a lot of folks see the concern about the future and what

00:36:40.040 that looks like is through an unreasonable means to attain that power okay and they see it through the

00:36:45.640 talk of vaughn vaughn that places donald trump into power it's not a contingent it's fine but what are you

00:36:49.880 talk have you lost your mind ask jamie raskin it's the way the system was set up we were playing by rules of

00:36:55.320 the system the contingent election the contingent election was set in by the electoral counter 18

00:37:00.520 or 7 so we never have to hang on hang on folks but hang but hang on you talk about democracy why is

00:37:06.840 that poll why did the poll and the people say that trump's democracy maga is a law a small d democracy

00:37:12.920 project you're right now on your network and the new york times had an editorial biden's got to step down

00:37:19.080 you have you have taken away the vote in the primary of all the primary voters the democratic party

00:37:24.920 now the new york times and part of msn msc has determined that joe biden can't beat donald trump

00:37:31.400 therefore he must regroup we are you guys could win on policy you guys could win on we are what

00:37:35.720 you did in 2016 we are winning on policy we are winning on policy we are winning we won in 2020 and

00:37:40.760 we're winning bigger you guys could win in 2024 we are we are winning on policy you guys have sowed

00:37:45.480 and your show included have so distrust in the institutions of the united states vaughn does that

00:37:50.520 give you pause at any point vaughn vaughn we vaughn we have vaughn we have i know you ms ms ms ms ms

00:37:58.680 has beaten the january 6 horse to death and that's why it's not resonating the people people are still

00:38:03.080 talking to me steve you know how people and they talk about violence hang on they're ready to lock

00:38:06.920 and load hang on hang on and you know that hang on the people the people the people the people the

00:38:12.440 people that are concerned are people on your side of the football and ms and you should be concerned

00:38:17.720 in that we are going to win and you're going to see and you saw yesterday ms mbc had the most

00:38:23.000 concerned about having a stable democracy and the folks that i talked to there's a great number of

00:38:27.240 folks that are foreshadowing violence saying that they are ready to lock and load and use you're not

00:38:31.800 talking to our people because we're winning yes if if donald trump loses in november they tell me they're

00:38:36.920 ready for violence no you i thought you you you will have to you will have to well i have not heard

00:38:42.520 anything even close to that because we proved to the precinct strategy but you don't want violence

00:38:47.560 you do not want that to happen to the united states of america right vaughn we took down a speaker

00:38:52.920 it's an insulting even to bring up the question we have we have no we have taken down a speaker

00:38:58.760 we have taken down a sitting a majority leader the most powerful minority leader most powerful guy

00:39:03.000 we've taken down the rnc now hang on we we no no no not me not me we the maga movement is winning

00:39:09.880 everywhere including the in the in the battleground states in the polls this is why trump's up this

00:39:14.120 is why they're removing biden uh our movement is not just peaceful we are uber peaceful while

00:39:21.560 why at the same time the weaponized justice department is trying to put people in prison

00:39:26.520 why not hold those that did attack the capo on january 6 accountable and have them serve their due

00:39:31.160 time you talk about justice all the time why not fawn hilliard fawn hilliard did i do you must not

00:39:37.080 watch msnbc last night because if you hang on if you had watched it hang on if you had watched it

00:39:42.920 if you had watched it it wasn't just the chevron deference the other bigger case was fisher being

00:39:48.600 overturned even judge two individuals out of the more than a thousand that had that no no but a

00:39:54.600 sole charge but others have been added for two out of one thousand fifth if one person in this country

00:40:00.440 if one citizen of this country goes to a federal prison because andrew weissman and msnbc

00:40:06.440 work with the justice department to take something that was thrown out six to three

00:40:10.600 and judge brown jackson judge brown and hang on and the supreme court did its due work

00:40:15.960 but you should know it should have come it should have not it should have never come in the first

00:40:19.960 place it's outrageous and for you just be served they're not are they out of prison today sir are they

00:40:25.720 walking out of prison today by the way another another over a hundred has it as an additional charge

00:40:31.400 to get to get along those who attack hang on do you do you agree that those who would no i'm not

00:40:36.200 going to let you off the hook vaughn i'm not going to let vaughn you're not going to get off the

00:40:40.040 hook on this brother but you're not going to be the product you give all the happy talk about

00:40:43.480 some theoretical i'm talking about releasing all of them and you talk about justice you talk about

00:40:47.000 peaceful transfer could you not see right now how it was weaponized against american citizens you

00:40:51.160 said they're blown off only 52 guys if one american citizen vaughn is in is it you do disagree are you

00:40:59.080 did i see vaughn here you're down outside the dc gulag sitting there going where are the 52 put as much

00:41:04.440 energy put as much energy put as much energy the courts interpreted the law that is where it was

00:41:09.400 the supreme court did it work it did no no no no it was this was gun deck this is going to cause

00:41:13.720 you talk about adjudication this is going to cause a massive investigation this is going to cause a

00:41:17.720 massive investigation of merrick garland weissman msnbc the collusion and collaboration that went on

00:41:24.120 and it's going to cause a massive investigation of the federal judiciary in washington dc that went

00:41:30.600 along with this how did this happen when when judge brown jackson when judge brown jackson writes her

00:41:36.760 independent opinion but with uh with the majority at six to three that's when questions should start

00:41:42.520 be answered this is an outrage to the american people it's an outrage to civil liberties in this

00:41:46.440 country you guys have turned if there is a president trump in 2025 and you say that individuals should be

00:41:53.240 prosecuted from officials currently in the department of justice today no no no no no no hang on if

00:41:59.400 people asking not prosecuted i didn't say prosecuted investigated yes there should be i believe that hang

00:42:05.960 on news organizations hang what is that hang on hang on i believe this is separate from policy

00:42:11.240 no it is policy it is 100 policy how did how did we get to this point how did this get weaponized how did

00:42:17.640 trump get 700 years potentially in prison how did all this happen how did matthew clonjo here's what's going to

00:42:22.600 happen both in an empowered house with the judiciary committee that's very focused number one in the

00:42:29.000 house by under the constitution and the rules of law and about evidence you're going to see and i believe

00:42:35.400 in the executive branch they're going to also start investigations by doj into what happened here

00:42:41.400 we're going to get to the bottom of the weaponization and i realize that people upset andrew mccabe's all

00:42:46.600 upset but went on no no no we're falsehoods though that's not falsehoods you said about the fbi's

00:42:52.040 search warrant execution of mar-a-lago you said quote this was an attempted assassination attempt

00:42:57.240 potential 100 of deadly force authorized by the director of america you said this was an attempted

00:43:02.760 assassination i said it was that was a statement of fact that you say it is a statement it is it is a

00:43:07.800 statement of fact and that is it's a statement of fact it is a statement of evidence hold it i had

00:43:12.520 hold it standard procedure it was not hold it it's not vaughn vaughn vaughn vaughn don't give me

00:43:17.800 not concerned no vaughn don't give me the nonsense that you guys spew every day first off it's not

00:43:23.640 there is no standard procedure when you're going down for a bunch of documents to the winter white

00:43:28.600 house of a guy who's been president so don't give me the standard procedure and if you look at it

00:43:33.160 why did it have not just about being armed why did it have the combat medic hang on steve you're you

00:43:39.160 know that they were not going to attempt to assassinate donald trump i have no earthy idea

00:43:43.720 that's not in fact they had the possible listen why do you have a combat medic why was there a triage

00:43:48.200 program why was there a trauma center that they set up why was all that set up that has to be

00:43:53.320 investigated and it will be investigated the vast conspiracy why did matthew clon when when merrick

00:43:58.360 garland sat there and perjured himself in front of the house judiciary committee oversight

00:44:02.440 committee a week ago when they asked him a point blank question say walk me through how the number

00:44:07.560 three guy in the justice department right just on a week after trump announced that he was going to

00:44:12.440 run for president again how does he second himself up to be a a side man to uh to alvin bragg in new

00:44:19.480 york city when is the last time a guy's gone from a senior level main justice to a local da's office

00:44:25.960 answer that and he says i have no earthy idea what you're talking about that is a bald-faced lie

00:44:30.040 and that will be proven to be a bald-faced lie you people that have gone after and had this and had

00:44:36.120 this lawfare against you know it's people at school boards and catholics playing the rosary hang on you

00:44:41.800 people i mean that msnbc is a collaborationist propaganda mechanism are you saying that our

00:44:47.880 news network should be investigated i think your news network will be invested i think particularly

00:44:51.640 of justice and i no i think that first is going to be investigated by by the house judiciary committee and

00:44:57.160 the house oversight committee the house judiciary should committee should investigate this organization

00:45:01.640 they know what they should do when you have hang on when you have andrew weissman who's in the middle

00:45:08.200 of all this as one of your major i am talking about andrew weissman he is does he not with is he

00:45:13.560 not a pay no he doesn't appear on the show he's a pay contribute he's a pay contributor to msnbc don't

00:45:18.280 give me appear he doesn't randomly show up on the show he's one of the most significant pay contributors

00:45:22.600 to msnbc and he's up here every day on every show doing it vaughn so don't play the this is

00:45:27.960 embarrassing for you if you're going to bring it bring it but don't sit there and go oh he's a guy

00:45:31.960 appears in the show it's not true he's the central legal theoretician over at msnbc that every day you

00:45:38.280 pound this well guess what that's going to be investigated we're going to see that we're going to

00:45:42.360 see that investigated about a collaborate the collab the collaboration the the fisher you know it

00:45:48.040 is what is it shouldn't be it's not random uh vaughn that the fisher overturned because it's been

00:45:55.000 violated the the the the the the the law that put these guys in prison they should be released

00:46:01.800 immediately but they took i don't know what they took they took they took the enron they took somebody

00:46:06.040 a former department of justice who who was on who was on who was on enron but i and that's only how

00:46:11.560 it was what what law has been broken we'll have to find out that's what an investigation is about

00:46:16.440 but the lack of due process suggesting that in 2025 news organizations should be investigated for a

00:46:21.800 law that you can't even define it's my news by the way by the way am i am i not am i am i not am i

00:46:27.400 not you're putting me in jail on the run-up to i'm going to prison on an illegitimate committee

00:46:34.120 right and you're saying that you're saying right now that you're saying that lawfare is not working in

00:46:37.880 this country when they're trying to liquidate alex jones they're putting uh they're putting uh gateway

00:46:43.080 pundit into bankruptcy epic times just got hit with a with a doj that steve bannon's going to prison

00:46:49.240 are you kidding me those are the biggest talks with the trump campaign to rejoin them here in 2024

00:46:54.360 no absolutely not not war room i'm 10 times more powerful and more needed in war room we're the

00:46:59.640 we're the kind of augmented media arm of the mega movement the campaign i did the campaign one time

00:47:06.200 uh there were discussions in 2020 about bringing me back on by some of the senior donors who thought

00:47:10.680 things a little off track uh and uh but now uh war room is much too important to the mega movement

00:47:17.640 and particularly president trump and his campaign how does trump win in 2024 simple just keep doing

00:47:23.160 what he's doing is it the independence that need to switch over is it the no no all the people people

00:47:28.840 made the decision it's getting out the vote just get the message the same messaging you've got and

00:47:33.800 right now it's it's three verticals right it's it's it's seal the border start the mass deportations

00:47:39.800 to stop the illegal alien invasion number one it's to get your hands on the financial madness that's

00:47:45.160 going on because remember the first couple of days of his second term you'll have the reversion of the

00:47:50.360 tax cuts will hit the debt ceiling and we'll still have as you know in capitol hill they won't do uh

00:47:56.280 they'll do a cr so we'll have the federal budget for next year to deal with all three of those together

00:48:00.920 so it's to get that's organized and the last is and probably the most important up front is to end the

00:48:06.600 in the forever wars and so those are the three pro action and by the way there's plenty of time in

00:48:12.440 the day left over to have people work every day to um to deconstruct the administrative state and

00:48:19.320 also in his justice department to do what they should do to start investigations of how the justice

00:48:25.800 department weaponized the the legal system against the mega movement and president trump

00:48:31.000 president trump and his followers there's gonna be plenty of time for that and i understand it upsets

00:48:35.240 people at msnbc when i say this this is going to happen and i'm a betting man and i believe

00:48:40.600 merrick garland lisa monaco and senior members of the justice department will be imprisoned for many many

00:48:46.280 years last question yes sir because we've only got one more question left of course i'd like to follow

00:48:52.760 up on that um but what does the mega movement look like after donald trump five ten ten years from now

00:49:01.160 i think the mega movement i think you see it right now and one thing on the spectrum of mega

00:49:05.240 i believe that president trump who's a very kind-hearted guy and a big-hearted guy i would

00:49:09.720 say president trump is a moderate in our movement and i think they're there the mega movement is shifting

00:49:16.760 day by day farther right uh and that trump is a moderate yeah oh definitely president trump's a moderate i

00:49:22.360 think i don't think there's any doubt about it he's got to go ten years from now well i think it's looking

00:49:26.120 even shorter term than that i think and i think in the i think in president trump's second term

00:49:30.360 particularly on policies against the chinese communist party on economic nationalism on uh on

00:49:35.560 the forever wars particularly the deportations you will have a large center of gravity that's much

00:49:41.720 farther to the right than president trump on what the solutions will be you'll have president trump

00:49:45.480 and president trump will try to unite and would unite the american people and we'll understand that

00:49:50.360 but our policies i think are much tougher much harder about the sovereignty of this nation

00:49:56.520 and particularly working-class people about bringing jobs back and breaking wall street

00:50:02.520 breaking big tech because right now we're not capitalism right now we're a capitalist a late-stage

00:50:07.720 capitalist society with very few capitalists ninety percent of the american people or eighty percent

00:50:11.800 have no stake in the game they have no real financial or real assets that's got to change and so more

00:50:17.560 economic populism more economic nationalism i think is all to come i strongly believe that in

00:50:23.720 10 years we will have attracted the what i call american first democrats like fetterman if you look at

00:50:30.280 sherrod brown you look at fetterman we disagree on huge amounts of policy on particularly on cultural

00:50:35.240 and social policy but if you look at the underlying economics like the u.s steel takeover and some of the

00:50:39.880 things sherrod brown and unfortunately he won't be in the senate much longer but if you look at the

00:50:44.600 fetterman's and the sherrod brown's when they talk about economic policy i think that they're much

00:50:49.240 closer to the farther right-wing populist economic nationalists than we are to the mitt romney and the

00:50:56.440 neoliberals and the wall street crowd in the big tech we are hurtling towards from late-stage capitalism to

00:51:01.800 techno feudalism where the vast majority including the lower middle class with the working class are cut out of

00:51:08.440 the system that is going to be the big fight i believe going forward where bernie sanders talked

00:51:13.880 about it i think you'll see a new generation of people that could reach across the guys like fetterman

00:51:18.200 and say hey we got to work we disagree on a lot of stuff let's put that aside but in this basic policies

00:51:23.080 of economics and particularly putting american citizens first that that's where we go and i think

00:51:28.120 that's the next phase of the maggo america first was phase one american citizens first is phase two and

00:51:34.040 i think we're going to go there and i think there's going to be huge political fights about that

00:51:38.920 fawn thanks man i appreciate it thank you sir thank you

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WarRoom Battleground EP 567： The Fearful Democrat Fantasies Against MAGA

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