Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 578： Total Digitization： Tracked, Traced, and Moved into Place

00:00:00.000 This is what you're fighting for. I mean, every day you're out there. What they're doing is blowing

00:00:11.360 people off. If you continue to look the other way and shut up, then the oppressors, the

00:00:18.360 authoritarians get total control and total power. Because this is just like in Arizona. This is

00:00:24.080 just like in Georgia. It's another element that backs them into a quarter and shows their lies

00:00:28.880 and misrepresentations. That's why this audience is going to have to get engaged. As we've told you,

00:00:33.000 this is the fight. All this nonsense, all this spin, they can't handle the truth.

00:00:38.200 War Room Battleground. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:00:43.980 We've heard Russian officials say that they have no intention of invading Ukraine. In fact,

00:00:49.400 Minister Lavrov repeated that to me today.

00:00:51.740 You know, it was not us who abandoned all contacts.

00:01:04.800 He was not there to listen to the others and to discuss and participate in a meeting.

00:01:10.660 And everybody was asking, mainly to Russia, who is the aggressor, to stop this war.

00:01:15.640 Nausea. Yes. Headaches. Yes. Blurred vision. Yes. Balance and memory issues. Yes. Are you

00:01:24.340 suffering? Yes. Why there are not new disinformation campaigns, fake news or conspiracy theories are

00:01:34.360 used to fragment states and polarize the public opinion. We have been attacked. There has been

00:01:42.400 deceptions and deceptions and there has been disinformation throughout the history of NATO.

00:01:49.120 It's about relationship between NATO and EU.

00:01:53.440 Various external actors are trying to undermine the unity of the alliance and affect our populations.

00:02:02.720 When anybody preaches disunity, tries to pit one of us against the other through class warfare,

00:02:10.400 race hatred or religious intolerance, you know that person seeks to rob us of our freedom 0.95

00:02:17.920 and destroy our very lives. 0.66

00:02:40.400 Good evening. It is July 25th in the year of our Lord 2024. I am Joe Allen sitting in for Stephen K.

00:02:59.500 Bannon, who is in prison on unjust charges. As the warring posse well knows, we live in a matrix of

00:03:08.680 madness. A media environment completely flooded with misinformation and disinformation and perhaps

00:03:15.080 most concerning many institutions who want to step in and fix this problem by completely controlling

00:03:22.600 the information environment. We have the problem of tribalization and political polarization. These are

00:03:31.720 natural problems, but they are exacerbated by this bizarre digital environment in which we are put into

00:03:38.360 digital silos and made to hate one another. To speak to this, I'd like to bring in the strategic

00:03:46.120 analyst who sits on the committee on the present danger China, Connie Elliott. Connie Elliott is quite

00:03:52.520 brilliant. You may be familiar with her recent speech at the American Freedom Alliance. Connie, I'd just like to

00:03:59.560 have you shed a little bit of light on the sorts of cognitive and neurological basis that these

00:04:08.520 disinformation and misinformation and digital siloization campaigns run on? And what are the effects?

00:04:15.320 What's happening to us? What are they doing to our brains?

00:04:18.120 Well, like you said, everybody's trying to figure out how to achieve old objectives, but they're trying

00:04:28.200 to figure out how to do it more cheaply. They're trying to figure out how to do it without first imposing

00:04:34.120 mass violence on the population. And what we see is the explosion in use of generative machine learning

00:04:43.800 systems has completely changed the information landscape. It used to be that we used to divide

00:04:54.840 information campaigns into European or Soviet types, which were more urban focused, into people's war, which

00:05:05.000 was the Asian style of revolution. And then there was a pattern of information manipulation that was also

00:05:12.040 typical of the United States. And now we can't divide or classify these movements by type anymore because

00:05:21.080 these machine learning systems are going through and they're being told to optimize for an information

00:05:29.480 environment or for particular characteristics in an information environment. They are given,

00:05:35.880 you know, they're running the curation for TikTok, for Facebook. They're running search waiting for

00:05:41.560 Google. And they're given content and they are told to optimize for certain states, make certain that

00:05:49.800 people stay on so many minutes a day, make certain that people click through so much of the time,

00:05:57.640 make certain that purchases occur so much of the time. If a person can be made to choose to purchase

00:06:08.200 something, he can be made to choose to vote differently. And we saw this in the trove that

00:06:18.440 Zach Voorhees brought out of Google. They had a study in it which said,

00:06:26.360 well, how can we make people buy more often? And they said, well, we have to make them feel threatened.

00:06:34.120 We can't make them feel threatened ethically. So what do we do? Maybe we can catch people when

00:06:39.400 they're feeling crowded. When do they feel crowded? How about when they commute home on the subway?

00:06:46.280 So lots of cell towers went up in subway systems like Metro in DC, and Google engaged in A-B testing

00:06:57.320 with their ads. And what they found is if they laid out ads a certain way and used certain kinds of

00:07:03.560 wording from people who returned, whose IMSI devices returned from a cell phone tower inside that metro

00:07:13.560 system during rush hour, when they were feeling very crowded, that Google could actually make them

00:07:19.960 buy 50% more often than they otherwise would. So what you're telling me is that Google intentionally

00:07:27.960 ran an experiment on human beings as if humans were lab rats. And in a cramped environment that they knew

00:07:36.120 they would be anxious in, they were able to manipulate them to purchase more goods. That's what you're telling me.

00:07:43.320 Yeah, but you consent or the people in the system consented to using those cell phone towers.

00:07:49.960 Otherwise, they would have been out of touch.

00:07:52.760 So the moment you take the smartphone, you've basically signed up for a multitude

00:07:57.480 of psychological experiments.

00:07:59.720 Oh, my goodness. You don't even know. One swipe like that. And advertisers use programs which compare

00:08:08.760 against trillions, if not quadrillions of interactions. They can predict your likely sex,

00:08:13.880 your likely race, your likely IQ, all from one swipe off the phone. They can predict your socioeconomic

00:08:22.120 level. It's absurd. And what this enables these programs to do is really focus on very fine differences

00:08:32.840 in our own individual neuropsychologies that we're not even aware that we have. And they're able to do

00:08:40.440 it like through what Dr. Robert Epstein calls a search engine manipulation effect, which let's face it,

00:08:46.600 is subliminal advertising. When we try to search, we're fed a list of items which are the most likely

00:08:57.320 search results based off of our initial query, and then they disappear. That's subliminal advertising.

00:09:06.680 When that was part of television, mass media, we protected Americans from that law. Those protections

00:09:16.040 don't exist on the internet. And since 2013, with Smithmont modernization, if it's the United States

00:09:25.320 government doing it to American people, there's no protection in law at all.

00:09:31.800 Let me ask you, you know, we've all experienced this for the last eight years,

00:09:36.760 Trump derangement syndrome. I mean, everyone knows that Donald Trump is not a perfect,

00:09:42.360 he was not a perfect candidate, nor a perfect president, nor is he a perfect candidate now.

00:09:47.320 But I think a lot of us in the posse and in general in society have seen this, that people

00:09:53.800 have in some sense been brainwashed. I know that's a very cliched term, but I can't really

00:10:00.120 think of a better one to describe it. There is this bizarre trigger in their minds. Whenever the

00:10:06.040 orange man appears, suddenly they're unable to think, they're unable to reason, and they become

00:10:12.360 consolidated into their own sort of latte-sipping blue tribe. Admittedly, we probably do much the same,

00:10:20.280 but as long as we're here on the war room, let's focus on them. To what extent are the sorts of

00:10:27.320 psychological experiments that you're talking about that are used to move people towards certain

00:10:32.520 products, to what extent is that used to intentionally polarize the society and make us unable to really

00:10:41.160 reason through our differences or discuss them in any meaningful way?

00:10:45.080 I don't know specifically about how these things from Google were used. I do know that

00:10:56.520 the DRAD algorithms that our taxpayer dollars paid to develop in Iraq and Afghanistan have been turned

00:11:04.520 loose on us. Stan McChrystal stood up a nonprofit for the 2020 election, I know,

00:11:12.920 that used the DRAD algorithms. And the dirty secret of those is that they don't de-radicalize anybody,

00:11:23.320 they polarize populations further. And it's like somebody took the work of the Political Instability

00:11:30.040 Task Force back in the late 90s and early 2000s, where they were talking about polarization of a

00:11:37.000 population as one of the key indicators that a population is about to fall into internal war

00:11:42.920 and instability. And they turned all the recommendations on their head and tried to

00:11:49.960 enact everything that those recommendations said to avoid.

00:11:53.560 To what extent? You sit on the Committee on the Present Danger China and your focus obviously is 0.77

00:12:02.520 looking at the oftentimes sort of fifth-generational warfare being waged on the United States by China,

00:12:11.160 which includes, of course, aside from economic warfare, psychological warfare. To what extent

00:12:17.160 is our American media environment infiltrated by Chinese influence that is intended to divide us, 0.85

00:12:24.600 to make us dumber, and to perhaps even view China in a positive light?

00:12:31.800 One of the things that I have been watching is the TikTok curation algorithm and its effects. 0.87

00:12:38.280 We see that a lot of communities are centered there. There is a lot of the trans community centered on

00:12:48.760 TikTok. We know that other ideas like suicide and self-maiming can be contagious in a population.

00:12:57.880 There are studies on that in the South Pacific. It's going on. It's undoubtedly going on.

00:13:05.000 It's almost impossible to tell how infiltrated we are because we turn our kids loose with smartphones.

00:13:12.360 We turn our kids loose with smartphones with TikTok. We turn our kids loose with programs that use

00:13:19.480 curation algorithms for information that human beings are not able to audit. There's no official

00:13:28.040 monitoring. So we have to do a lot of this by collecting small stories and episodes. But I think

00:13:38.600 that if we actually devoted the kinds of resources we'd need to devote to understand the extent and

00:13:45.400 effects of infiltration by the Chinese, by Russians, by anybody who wants to affect the decision-making of

00:13:53.720 the American voter or consumer, we would be terrified by the extent of the

00:14:01.800 the neurocognitive warfare that we see being waged on us every moment we are plugged into the information

00:14:09.560 environment. And it's impossible to escape. One of the more powerful things I found in your recent

00:14:16.360 speech at the American Freedom Alliance, which I certainly recommend that the War Room Posse check out.

00:14:22.200 We'll have the links out on all on all of our platforms. But one of the really wonderful pieces,

00:14:28.520 something that I oftentimes neglect in my own work, it was your positivity at the end,

00:14:34.040 looking at this as at least a field of possibilities that could be seized upon for positive action.

00:14:42.440 As the rest of society descends into this matrix of madness, what do you see as the upsides? What are our options?

00:14:51.160 Well, the hopeful and the scary part is that our minds are the contested domain. There's a NATO report

00:15:01.000 that says humans are the contested domain of the 21st century. And that means even though we may not

00:15:08.040 see it immediately in our lives, our individual choices still matter. As long as we pull back to our

00:15:19.080 locus of control to those things that we can immediately affect, like our home,

00:15:23.880 our families, we focus on building our immediate communities, we have a chance to make ourselves

00:15:29.880 more resilient and to carve out a place that is free. As long as we remember every time that we plug

00:15:37.800 into the information environment, that we touch a device, that the only thing that we can understand

00:15:43.160 from a message is what the message creator wants us to think and separate that idea from what's actually

00:15:51.240 so. We have a chance to get back to basics and to build ourselves and our homes, our families,

00:16:02.120 our communities into the kind of small resilient communities the founders tried to leave us with.

00:16:09.640 And that's it. What's the saying? The word or the characters for crisis and opportunity are the same.

00:16:17.720 And that's our moment.

00:16:20.040 I love that. I love that. Well, Connie Elliott, thank you very much. Where can people find you? And where can

00:16:24.760 people keep up with the work that you're doing?

00:16:28.600 Right now, it's mostly at Mama Imp on Twitter. And I'll be opening a blog in the next couple of weeks.

00:16:36.040 We definitely look forward to that. Thank you very much for your service on the committee. And also,

00:16:45.800 we really, really look forward to seeing your further analysis on this. Thank you very much, Connie.

00:16:51.320 Thanks, Joe. Thanks for having me.

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00:18:23.160 All right. So we have been talking a lot about the matrix of madness that the digital environment

00:18:29.160 creates. And I don't really think there is anyone who can speak to it quite as well

00:18:33.720 as the great Shane Cashman. You may be familiar with Shane Cashman from Timcast, but he has ventured

00:18:41.240 out on his own in an incredibly brilliant show, Inverted World Live. They cover everything from

00:18:48.360 the paranormal to deep fakes to other bizarre conspiracy theories, maybe not unfounded theories.

00:18:58.120 Shane Cashman, how are you, my friend?

00:19:00.440 I am very good. It's good to be here. How are you?

00:19:02.520 Good, good. So Shane, we have been talking about a lot of the sort of misinformation that circulated

00:19:09.800 on the right. Biden is dead. Biden is in hospice. Biden has been abducted by UFOs. I'm curious what

00:19:19.400 your read is on this. I mean, obviously, in my coverage, I am very cynical and very snide. And

00:19:26.840 oftentimes I'm no fun. I'm kind of a fuddy-duddy rationalist. You, on the other hand, are also

00:19:32.440 cynical, also snide, but you're a lot more fun. So tell us a little bit about what you've been seeing

00:19:39.240 in this weird misinformation environment. Are the deep fakes the misinformation? Are the claims that

00:19:47.080 the deep fakes exist the misinformation? Is it all misinformation? Tell us about it.

00:19:51.880 So right now, as we speak, Biden is both alive and dead. This is what I call the post-reality.

00:19:58.920 Everything can be true and nothing is true all at once. You know, post-reality, in my mind,

00:20:04.440 is the totality of events that occur both digital and physical. And it's the culmination of every

00:20:11.480 possible reality. So it's like this mutated, fractured world where anything you want to be

00:20:17.880 true can be true with a simple Google search. I don't think this is wholly unique to humanity.

00:20:23.160 We've been doing this forever. But the Internet age has accelerated this. So when you look at Biden

00:20:30.040 getting COVID, supposedly, and going away into isolation, or if you look at the failed assassination

00:20:35.000 attempt on Trump, they become these Rorschach tests. And depending on your media diet and your

00:20:41.880 perception of the world, where you're coming from, anything you want to be true will be true.

00:20:46.680 So if you look at the Trump assassination attempt, within minutes, post-reality kicked it to high

00:20:53.320 gear. And you could find people saying, the shooter teleported there. I saw that one. I like that one.

00:20:59.080 You could say, you could see that Trump staged it himself. One shooter, two shooter, three shooters.

00:21:04.360 And the thing that makes it particularly post-reality is that it's not just that the theories

00:21:10.200 are out there spreading, which is fine. But it's that people share evidence, supposed evidence,

00:21:17.480 of all of these theories. Like you're saying right in the beginning, if you want to share evidence of

00:21:23.720 a certain video of someone on a water tower, these things can be manipulated now through AI.

00:21:29.960 And also, on top of that, people can say things are fake because we know the capabilities of AI.

00:21:36.200 So we live in this world where you don't know anything, even if you're the witness to it.

00:21:40.040 But even then, you don't really know.

00:21:43.800 You know, Denver, if we could, there's a video I'd like to show you.

00:21:47.960 There was a clip put out by Matthew Sabia or Sabia or whatever. In post-reality,

00:21:53.800 we can pronounce names any way we want. But it purports to show that the recording

00:22:00.040 or the phone call with Joe Biden and Kamala Harris is AI. Let's have a look at that.

00:22:06.920 It is so good to hear our president's voice. Joe, I know you're still on the call. And we've been

00:22:13.640 talking every day. You probably, you guys heard it from Doug's voice. We love Joe and Jill. We really do.

00:22:20.520 They truly are like family to us. And we do. Everybody here does. It's neutral.

00:22:28.680 I knew you were still there. You're not going anywhere, Joe.

00:22:32.040 I'm watching it, kid. I'm watching it, kid. I love it.

00:22:35.480 I love you, Joe.

00:22:44.520 I know yesterday's news was surprising and it's hard for you to hear,

00:22:49.560 but it was the right thing to do. I know it's hard because you poured your heart and soul into me.

00:22:55.880 Okay. Let's just go on old 11 labs and see if that's really all they probably used for this. So

00:23:07.240 upload. There we go. And let's see what we got.

00:23:16.920 Yeah, it looks like they didn't even really try.

00:23:19.080 So for the listeners who couldn't see the video, what we see is Matthew Sabia taking that clip,

00:23:30.040 running it through an AI detector at 11 labs. And the detector comes back with a 98% certain

00:23:37.480 response or result that the recording or the discussion, the phone discussion with Kamala Harris

00:23:44.440 is in fact a deep fake. Now that was really easy to do. It got a huge amount of traction. I mean,

00:23:51.080 thousands and thousands of likes and views, but other users who are just as adept with the software

00:23:58.280 went through and put the original clip through 11 labs, AI deep fake detector. And it came up with

00:24:05.320 2% consistently. Of course, the Matthew Sabia got community noted, but in this fake environment,

00:24:11.480 it really won't matter. He'll be right back. He's got over 100,000 followers. He'll be right back

00:24:16.360 to posting BS. Nobody will notice the difference. You know, Shane, I'm curious. It's clear that Kamala

00:24:22.760 Harris and Joe Biden's affection for one another is fake. But in this environment of potential deep

00:24:30.760 fakes and obvious faked deep fakes, how do people get their heads wrapped around it? We've only got a

00:24:37.080 couple of minutes, but I'll hold you over through the break. It's almost impossible, honestly,

00:24:42.920 because when you look at the Kamala call, she doesn't speak well 80%, 90% of the time. So she

00:24:48.040 could just be misspeaking, saying a recording by accident. I don't think so. I think they probably

00:24:54.200 edited some kind of conversation beforehand, pre-recorded it and gave it to her. But I don't

00:25:00.200 think we'll know because we live in a world where anything can be faked. Anything can be said,

00:25:03.960 it's fake. And it's just going to come down to, uh, you be learning how to discern, uh,

00:25:09.800 the things that you're watching and reading and knowing that even the person you trusted yesterday

00:25:15.000 could be lying to you today, maybe not even on purpose, but, uh, that's the world we live in.

00:25:20.760 And you got to get used to it. Uh, you know, if you can just give us in the minute we have left,

00:25:26.440 and then maybe we'll, we'll expand later, uh, after the break, what is the wildest

00:25:32.360 bogus claim you've heard in the last, I don't know, month?

00:25:37.720 I mean, my favorite one is that Barron Trump is a time traveler.

00:25:43.800 Elaborate. Well, I mean, it's kind of, it's kind of connected to history because it's a

00:25:48.200 Ingersoll Lockwood books, I believe is the author who wrote a book, I think in the late 1800s about

00:25:53.880 a boy named Barron Trump, who is a time traveler, I believe a time traveler. And he's kind of

00:26:00.680 mentored by a man named Don. And I think there's a president involved. I believe something about

00:26:04.840 Fifth Avenue. So a lot of people say Barron might be a time traveler. So maybe that's not so far

00:26:09.880 fetched. Who knows? Uh, yeah, you know, if, uh, you eat enough Xanax, I hear you will time travel.

00:26:17.240 Um, uh, uh, Baron the time traveler and Schrodinger Joe. Uh, I love this. So, uh, yeah,

00:26:24.760 I'm going to hold you on. I'm going to hold you over through the break. Shane will be right back.

00:26:28.520 Uh, war room posse, uh, prepare for a further descent into insanity, but don't worry. We'll

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00:32:20.880 Shane Cashman, something that really bothers me about this insane post-reality environment that

00:32:27.440 we're in is that certain institutions are well-prepared and poised to swoop in and give us

00:32:34.960 reality, capital R, once again. To what extent do you think that this spread of rampant BS is a precursor

00:32:43.200 to more rigid information control in the future? They're going to try it. I mean, look at how

00:32:50.880 something like Twitter changed once it got monetized. Everyone wanted to then become

00:32:56.480 like a TMZ regurgitation, you know, shocking headline machine. So Twitter went from like,

00:33:04.400 kind of, you know, we were all warring and having fun on Twitter. But there was, to me,

00:33:08.480 something happened where people wanted to be the first to break news, especially once it was monetized.

00:33:13.840 And you see this happening with a lot of big accounts, especially in the last few weeks,

00:33:16.720 especially when it comes to Biden and people sharing stories that someone has passed away

00:33:21.840 when they haven't passed away. And people get mad. And I imagine people will call for,

00:33:26.720 you know, some form of suppression or censorship. And, you know, that bothers me,

00:33:31.680 even though I'm also bothered by misinformation. I'd rather have the ability to decide for myself

00:33:37.520 than someone stepping in and doing it, which, you know, I think Twitter or X, whatever you want

00:33:41.680 to call it, uh, is already doing to some degree. I think they're already suppressing accounts

00:33:46.160 based on bad behavior. I put bad behavior in quotes because we don't really know what bad

00:33:49.520 behavior means behind the scenes of Twitter. Uh, but that's, again, this is nothing new. It's,

00:33:55.120 you know, I used to sit and watch the news of my dad. My dad is a political junkie.

00:33:58.400 That's where I get it from. And we would, he would flip through the channels, CBS, ABC,

00:34:02.880 Fox, all that stuff. And, and tell me all these people live in different worlds, you know, but

00:34:08.160 now my dad hasn't really moved to the digital age. He doesn't do the computer stuff, but I'm like,

00:34:13.040 my dad doesn't, so my dad doesn't know that now there's a hundred thousands, infinite different

00:34:17.200 worlds of different realities. And they're all trying to be, uh, you know, controlled by whatever

00:34:23.280 corporations who's advertising there. They're maybe they're captured by their own audience.

00:34:28.160 So that's why I think it's good to kind of travel through all of them as much as you can.

00:34:32.000 If, if you care, if you care to know, and if you're someone who wants to get emotional about

00:34:36.080 the world around you, you can't just subscribe to one or two voices. You kind of have to

00:34:40.960 go through the buffet of information and make your best judgment in the end.

00:34:45.520 Well, Shane, speaking of multiple worlds, there's one world we're all curious about.

00:34:49.920 Where do we find inverted world live? What time does it air? And what will we find there?

00:34:55.440 All right. So you can find inverted world live every Sunday at 6 PM Eastern time.

00:35:00.720 Uh, we have great guests. Joe Allen has been a guest, but he's coming back for a much better

00:35:04.560 episode after technical difficulties we had. Uh, but yeah, we, we talk about everything from ghosts to,

00:35:10.080 uh, you know, declassified information such as operation Northwoods and the Philadelphia

00:35:14.960 experiment. Uh, a lot of good stuff like that. Psycho magicians hired by the CIA, all that fun stuff.

00:35:20.240 All right. Thank you very much, Shane. I really appreciate it. And I look forward to coming back.

00:35:25.360 Yeah, man. Thank you for having me.

00:35:28.800 I'll tell you what, Denver, if you would, uh, let's see the, the cold open on digital identity. I,

00:35:34.400 I think that this would be best to tee up our friend, Tim Hinchliff at the sociable.

00:35:38.720 With the right investments, digital public infrastructure will help us accelerate progress

00:35:45.520 across all the health and development goals. We know this because we're seeing it happen now.

00:35:52.640 Under India's leadership, the G20 is advancing digital public infrastructure because it can help

00:36:00.000 transform health, agriculture, banking, education, and more. Last December, I visited India to learn

00:36:09.120 more about their digital transformation story. And I saw firsthand how women's lives in the 0.99

00:36:15.600 communities they live in are being transformed by digital payments. And it builds on the bank's

00:36:22.640 identification for development initiative, which has been meeting the steady demand from countries

00:36:28.880 to modernize ID and civil registration systems. By 2028, more than 500 million more people will have a

00:36:40.000 digital identity that allows them to access employment and education opportunities more easily,

00:36:47.360 as well as financial services, healthcare and government programs.

00:36:51.280 You think what are the tools of the new world? Everybody should have a digital ID. Everybody should

00:36:57.520 have a bank account. Everybody should have a smartphone. Okay. Then anything can be done.

00:37:03.360 Everything else is built on that. Because we were talking about this before we came onto the panel.

00:37:07.760 The three basic things, a smartphone, a bank account, and a digital ID. Yes. That's where every name

00:37:14.240 In India, it's been named by the prime minister, the jam trinity. Jandan, which is the bank account,

00:37:19.040 Aadha, the ID, and mobile. That shouldn't cost that much. Nothing.

00:37:24.160 Why? Because in order to open an account, you need to have an ID. Right. And I have to say

00:37:30.240 that when I started this job, there were actually very little countries in Africa or Latin America

00:37:35.600 that had one ubiquitous type of ID. And certainly that it was digital. And certainly that it was

00:37:42.160 biometric. And now we've really worked with all our partners to actually help that being,

00:37:46.560 I mean, to grow this. And the interesting part of it.

00:37:53.520 Yeah. I think we've got the idea. They want to tag and track everyone for various reasons. One,

00:38:01.360 in order to secure your bank account. Two, in order to secure your elections, or at least to have you on

00:38:08.800 the rolls in digital format. And three, to track every movement you make and ensure that they can control

00:38:14.960 anything you do. At least that's the cynical view. Tim Hinchcliffe at The Sociable has been covering

00:38:20.880 this for many, many years. He was among the first to really explain the machinations of the World

00:38:27.360 Economic Forum to the public. Tim Hinchcliffe, welcome to The War Room. Tell us, in this bizarre

00:38:34.320 disinformation environment, how important is digital identity to tagging and tracking people,

00:38:41.360 perhaps to keep people safe from their nefarious unrealities?

00:38:47.200 Well, first of all, thanks, Joe, for having me on. You're exactly right, what you say about digital

00:38:53.280 ID serving as track and trace, because that is what it does. It also is to eliminate all anonymity as we

00:39:01.520 know it. So then if you talk about misinformation, disinformation, they'll know exactly who it's coming

00:39:07.680 from, it'll be timestamped, and everything. So what it is, it's like a never-ending nudge system

00:39:14.720 to incentivize, coerce, or otherwise manipulate human behavior. And it's an entry point into a

00:39:21.520 system of social credit. In a lot of my writings about digital ID and digital identity,

00:39:27.360 I often refer to a quote from the World Economic Forum, and it's from a report from 2018, and I think

00:39:33.200 it sums it up perfectly. It's that digital identity determines what products, services, and information

00:39:39.840 we can access, or conversely, what is closed off to us. So when Melinda Gates talks about how digital

00:39:47.200 identity is going to open up all these possibilities for all these people, 500 million new digital IDs or

00:39:53.200 something by 2028, it's also closing off possibilities. So they talk about financial inclusion all the

00:40:01.760 time and digital inclusion. So you can have this digital ID to open a bank account to participate

00:40:08.000 in government programs. But at the same time, it's also a track and trace thing that looks at everything

00:40:16.720 that you do. It has a record of your voting, what you say on social media, your medical records,

00:40:23.520 what happened during COVID with first contact tracing and vaccine passports, financial history,

00:40:28.880 carbon emissions. And so I like what Klaus Schwab, the World Economic Forum founder, wrote in his book,

00:40:37.760 The Fourth Industrial Revolution, going back to 2016, 2017. He said that any package,

00:40:44.160 pallet, or container can now be equipped with a sensor, transmitter, or radio frequency RFID tag.

00:40:51.120 And in the near future, similar monitoring systems will be also applied to the movement and tracking

00:40:57.360 of people. So people behave differently when they know they're being watched. And as one other WEF

00:41:06.160 Future Shocks report said from 2019, authoritarianism is easier in a world of total visibility

00:41:13.200 and traceability, while democracy may turn out to be more difficult.

00:41:19.120 It's astounding. It's astounding that anyone would be able to look at other human beings as

00:41:25.040 products. And yet we know that's the norm with smartphones. If you have anything for free, any app, any

00:41:32.720 service whatsoever, you are not buying a product. You are the product. They have harvested your soul.

00:41:39.760 Tim, tell us, you know, what we saw there and a lot of the coverage that you've done over the

00:41:46.240 last couple of years has shown that the third world and developing world is in many ways a laboratory 1.00

00:41:53.040 for this. People who are desperate and who are much more willing to give up their privacy and submit to

00:41:59.280 these systems. How much has this proliferated in Africa and in India? And how long before those

00:42:08.240 experiments are then brought to the big time in the U.S. and Europe?

00:42:13.680 Well, you're absolutely right about being experimental testing grounds in developing nations. Just take a look at

00:42:20.560 India, for example. So India, they had their ADHAR digital identity system, which goes back over a decade.

00:42:27.600 And they always said that it was going to be voluntary. They still say to this day that it's voluntary.

00:42:33.520 But over time, the whole history of India's digital identity system has been a series of government overreach

00:42:40.560 with Supreme Court back decisions, kind of pushing it back. And then the government overreach again.

00:42:46.640 And then so they started mandating the IDs. Banks were saying that you had to have this ID to open up

00:42:51.600 a bank account and other services and local governments and so on. So what they were bragging

00:42:58.240 about just a couple of weeks ago or a couple of months ago was that now India has 1.2 or 1.4 billion,

00:43:05.920 basically its entire population, people voluntarily signed up to the system. Pakistan's going in the 1.00

00:43:12.960 exact same direction. There was a report on the World Economic Forum just last week talking about

00:43:18.640 how Pakistan has almost all of its adults are now dependent on that system. In Ukraine, just before 0.75

00:43:26.400 the whole conflict came out, the Minister of Digital Transformation, Mikhailo Fedorov,

00:43:32.800 said that they want their digital ID to enable all life processes, all life services,

00:43:38.880 and that people would have no choice but to trust this digital ID. That's where their

00:43:42.480 DIA app came from and had 80 different services all tied together. And with this digital identity

00:43:49.280 system, they say that the data is yours. You control the data, you control who you share it with.

00:43:55.840 But then if you don't share it, you're locked out of the system, whether it's public or private. But the

00:44:00.960 thing is, the public-private partnerships, that's the merger of corporation and state,

00:44:05.120 that's where they're going for. So when a government can't do something, the private sector steps in.

00:44:10.400 What else is going on? And so if it's going to come to us, if it's going to come more into the West,

00:44:17.200 into the US, I don't see it happening in an overt way like, hey, we're getting everyone on the system

00:44:24.080 right now because we already do have little forms of digital identities already. COVID launched the

00:44:30.400 contact tracing, vaccine passports. Well, that's a digital identity. You're a bank card. If you sign

00:44:35.760 up for a bank, a lot of things on it say there's a digital wallet. And they also come with optional,

00:44:40.880 at this point, carbon footprint trackers, carbon emission trackers. All these are little bits of

00:44:46.080 digital identity. So it's already here. It's just being small increments until it creeps up on you.

00:44:52.320 And then all of a sudden, boom, you're trapped in the system. And then once it's beyond smartphones,

00:44:57.920 like say, okay, well, maybe I just don't want to carry around a smartphone. Well,

00:45:00.960 the chip that's in your bank card, what is in your Fitbit, whatever wearables you have.

00:45:06.000 And then in the future, well, that'll get under the skin. So that's something to look out for.

00:45:11.760 Yeah. You know, I see the rollout, for instance, of the palm payment systems at Amazon,

00:45:16.320 the Amazon One palm payment system, which, you know, on a positive note, fortunately,

00:45:21.760 it doesn't seem to have taken off very well. But as you mentioned a moment ago, as these systems

00:45:27.680 become normalized, it becomes more and more necessary, either because it's being mandated

00:45:34.080 or just by default. It's become the norm. And if you decide to opt out of the norm,

00:45:40.720 well, then you're just left out in the cold. You're not civilized anymore.

00:45:43.840 A quick question about, we have very little time left, but I'm very curious about this

00:45:50.720 disinformation environment and the desire to attach people's online identities to their biometrics.

00:45:57.600 We see it with Twitter. You see it proposed with the world coin and world ID, the evil orb that takes

00:46:04.480 your eyeball, that takes your retinal data and attaches it to your online identity.

00:46:10.400 How important is this flooded disinformation environment to securing your own identity

00:46:18.320 through a direct connection between your biometrics and your online persona?

00:46:23.920 Yeah, with so much online, well, what they call the infodemic, so much information going,

00:46:30.400 spreading around, you know, you can label it misinformation, disinformation,

00:46:34.400 malinformation, or even something that's true. But when there's so much information flowing around,

00:46:39.120 especially as it becomes AI generated, they want to know who's saying what, who's doing what,

00:46:46.000 who's producing what. And this goes back to the end of anonymity. They don't want anybody being

00:46:53.920 anonymous online. They want to check everything you say on social media, anything that you do

00:47:02.400 in the virtual world, which is spilling onto the physical world as well. So it's not even just the

00:47:07.600 the virtual world. So even, you know, like what we're talking about with the, if you have a smartphone

00:47:11.920 or Fitbit, it has geolocation. They know where you're going. As you mentioned earlier, I believe,

00:47:16.640 about geolocation, like they know if you're going to be at a rally or a protest or what happened where.

00:47:21.600 So the end, but with misinformation, it's just they, they're going to use that as a vector. Like,

00:47:27.520 and when I say they, it could be anyone, they call them bad actors, bad faith actors, 1.00

00:47:32.080 but that can be governments, that can be corporations, that can be just individuals. But using that as an

00:47:37.280 excuse to say, we need to protect the internet, we need to protect our democracy, we need to protect

00:47:43.600 everybody else. So in the name of that, no more anonymity. So we know everybody who they are,

00:47:48.640 what they're doing, track, trace society, everything.

00:47:52.000 Well, you know, maybe one of the upsides is all the people who have ripped off your work,

00:47:56.320 you can track them down and bring them to justice. Tim Hinchliffe, you have been a wealth of

00:48:01.840 information, especially in the last three and a half years, I've been covering this. I've relied

00:48:07.440 a lot on the information you've put out. Tell us, where do we find your work? Tell us where the

00:48:13.200 sociable can be found and let us know what you're working on right now.

00:48:18.400 Well, thanks for the kind words. Yeah, you can find the website sociable.co, not .com, but

00:48:24.640 sociable.co and on X at Tim Hinchliffe, my name and at the sociable. Right now,

00:48:31.120 what I've been working on, RAND, I just got done doing a RAND report saying that memes are now a

00:48:38.320 threat to the United States financial system. So they're looking at memes because they think it's

00:48:44.480 going to be a slow burn and bring down the whole collapse just because people are making these little

00:48:51.280 funny things on the internet. So that's why I've been looking into RAND and transhumanism and going

00:48:55.680 from there. Well, you know, arguably the 2016 election was won by memes. So maybe they're right

00:49:02.800 to be afraid and maybe we're right to have the right to bear memes. Thank you very much, Tim. I

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WarRoom Battleground EP 578： Total Digitization： Tracked, Traced, and Moved into Place

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