WarRoom Battleground EP 613: Sabin Howard Born Canceled : A Hero's Journey
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Summary
Sabin Howard is the sculptor for the National World War I Memorial, which will be unveiled on September 13, 2024 at the National Mall in Washington, D.C. as part of the National Park Service's National Memorial Day Ceremony. Sabin and his wife and project manager and novelist, Tracy Howard, sit down with him to talk about the process of creating the sculpture, the inspiration behind it, and the lessons they learned along the way.
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this is what you're fighting for I mean every day you're out there what they're doing is blowing
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people off if you continue to look the other way and shut up then the oppressors the
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authoritarians get total control and total power because this is just like in Arizona this is just
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like in Georgia it's another element that backs them into a quarter and shows their lies and
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misrepresentations is why this audience is going to have to get engaged as we've told you this is
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the fight all this nonsense all this spin they can't handle the truth war room battleground here's
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your host Stephen K Bannon today it's not about me this sculpture is not about me I am in service
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of something way larger than myself at age 19 quit my job and made a phone call and asked an art
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school how do you get into art school and they told me I needed a portfolio I didn't know what a
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portfolio was so I started from zero now we're 41 years later this sculpture is about our unlimited
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potential as human beings there are 38 figures here each one of those are individual human beings
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that I sculpted from there are Marines there are Rangers there are Navy SEALs that have all suffered
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physically and physically and mentally but this is only one aspect of our society I am saying art represents
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who we are yes it is a war memorial but there are elements of healing it is about human beings every single
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aspect and expression of how we feel the nobility the suffering the sadness the animalistic charge of a battle scene
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it's all there that expression is an expression of truth and light and sculpture does not function in the dark
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it needs light to illuminate and shine and show its message so this is the beginning of something that
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we're going to change the world and I'm not going to be shy about it we are going forward forward is to
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charge to change to not accept to proceed to a higher level of consciousness to rise to the occasion
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I'm Sabin Howard today is September 13th 2024 in the year of our Lord and I am the sculptor for the
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national world war one memorial today we will unveil this 60 foot long 25 ton 38 figure composition called
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A Soldier's Journey and today to interview me is my wife and project manager and novelist Tracy Howard
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so let's kick off the show right now and Tracy is going to be asking me some questions about how we got here today
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before we start I want to dedicate this show to Steve Bannon Steve we're with you this project is a
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it's something you understand and I'm really grateful that you had me on your show to explain it to your public thank you very much
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so I had a front row seat to the entire process of the nine-year marathon of creating designing
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creating inventing a process and then finally sculpting the national world war one memorial
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specifically a soldier's journey which is the sculptural heart and initially I wasn't intending to get so involved
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but I ended up as the documentarian and also the project manager for Sabin and his team
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so we thought I could ask some good questions and I'm going to start with a hard question for Sabin
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I'm going to say Sabin what did you learn what did you learn sculpting and making designing this piece
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uh my wife never fails to stump me no that's not the the biggest takeaway from being on a project for nine
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years is I it was on-the-job training and the biggest element that I learned is to be in service of
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something larger than yourself and I learned that from the veterans that posed for me
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the significance of believing in something and being a part of that which is basically making
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a sculpture that represents our country is a sacred act and there's no way you can do that correctly
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without believing in the sanctity of the mission what I made is a representation
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of what this country is and you better come up with something of excellence because
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there have been a couple examples of memorials recently like the Eisenhower memorial piece of crap
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um MLK memorial just ridiculous they're failures and mediocrity is not the bar that you want to aspire
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to especially in this day and age and this is the national mall the national mall is what we are
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culturally and if you don't represent yourself at the highest level of our of your potentiality as a
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country you've you've failed and so I gave everything I had with with Tracy and my crew
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uh and the foundry and we today will birth that sculpture and give it rightly so to we the people
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because that is what this sculpture is for is for our country and for people that come to see the history
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of our country so thank you for asking me that you're welcome I also wanted to go back to the sculpture and
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to the parallels in your own life so you call this sculpture a soldier's journey with um an echo of
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Joseph Campbell's hero's journey and I wanted to ask about your own heroic journey and what
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how were the parallels how was this your hero's journey where did you start emotionally at the
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beginning in 2015 when you first entered the national world war one memorial design competition and where
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are you today September 13th in the year of our lord 2024 when this is going to be unveiled for the
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public for the American people so this project came in in the summer of 2015 and I had about with uh
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Geary on the Eisenhower memorial which didn't proceed to anything but to put the bug in my ear that's
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let's do something of major significance here um 2015 comes around I entered the project to enter with a
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Texas architect and we don't make the final five but then in September Joseph Weishar calls me sends
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me an email and let's go uh we win that I knew we were going to win and now we're January 2016 and now
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a little backstory here I've been in the art world since 1982 an outsider born canceled that's basically my
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t-shirt title there I'm doing something completely outside of the art narrative I'm going back to
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western civilization as my template I'm looking at the sacredness and the vitality of Greek and
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Italian Renaissance Michelangelo's last judgment the David all art that elevates and speaks about rising
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to the occasion I'm like here's my chance I am not going to miss this opportunity because when you've been
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like you know in the battle for that many years and you're on the outside and now all of a sudden
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you have a way to bust through that narrative and get around all the nonsense that is like status quo
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the academics the critics the museums the galleries it's all there um they got an idea of what art is
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and it's a pretty lousy idea and I'm not going to go along with it I win the memorial and I got a lot
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a lot of juice and boy was I green at that moment I did not know what I had entered I had to go
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through a process that was a on-the-job training that truly I'm a different human being at this point
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and we go through this first nine months of iterations I come up with 25 iterations 25 different
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iterations for the national world war one memorial under the the supervision of centennial commission
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now mind you this was it could have been worse we had Edwin Fountain who liked the Schrader memorial
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the piece in front of the capitol so I mean that's already something positive but it's not like a
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pleasant thing when you're going into a room and you're presenting something that you really you know
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worked your yourself to the max in the studio and then you got to go back and I did this 25 times over the
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next nine months finally in November at a Barnes and Noble bookstore down in Union Square in New York
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City Edwin goes okay do the drawing so bang I go off do a drawing 700 hour drawing over the next few
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months takes me into February now of 2017 and I get in front now first time a commission of fine arts
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which is truly that's an experience I don't want to even talk about it's so negative um and we get to
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May of of that year and they ask for a sculpture and I turn to centennial commission who has hired me and
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they have no money so here we are we got a national memorial on the table and there's no funding so I go out
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and I raise half a million dollars and I take that money and I go all the way to New Zealand to wet a
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workshop it's a company that did the uh Lord of the Rings and had to leave my family so that was very
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very difficult uh was there till the following year where we sent the not it was a 10-foot model made in
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resin of the initial idea for a soldier's journey and that model appears at the centennial commission
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office now February of 2018 and believe it or not those bureaucrats running centennial commission
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broke down in tears I did something right and I went rogue because if I'd stayed around and everybody
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had come over to my studio and put their input into it we'd never would have held on to the vision
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and that was it was a good decision it was a clear clear decision to me you got to go someplace where
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nobody's going to bother you so you can actually do the work to develop the sculpture and we went from
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a very flat relief to something that is very high relief meaning the sculpture is made up of almost
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figures in the round that are explosive and kinetic and emotional motion equals emotion and so this
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sculpture now all of a sudden is juiced now we go back into the door at CFA
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CFA is none too happy that I have made something that is classical humanistic and for the people it is
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not for elites this piece they can like it they don't have to but it's for we the people and it's
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sculpture that is understandable by all you do not need a book to get the meaning it's visual art
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and that's where I was going and boy we hit a blockade there and that blockade lasted for the
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next few months as I got ridiculous comments of like well why don't you turn the memorial around and we can
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have a fountain in the front and you could put the figures in the back and uh we had a couple
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moments where I thought I was going to lose it and I just kept fighting through most stubborn bastard
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that they were ever going to meet I was not going to give up well we get to that final final moment
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and I'm told we're going to pass and I'm like why are we going to pass well something happened behind
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closed doors and we pass and 2019 ushers in I make a the five-foot model in the architectural
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pediment that it sits in and we pass and the budget's coming in now because Centennial Commission
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is building this thing on the fly they they have gone out and gotten the appropriated the funding for
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the sculpture to be made the park has been funded as well and I encounter you know Pangolin Foundry
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finally after looking at 40 different foundries in the U.S. and then we begin sculpting in a new
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Englewood studio in New Jersey back in August of 2019 and that took us all the way then till
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2024 January 2024 so how did I change I became someone who believes in the sacred and believes that I have
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a mission to create an American cultural renaissance and that art is necessary for a country because it can
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show what is possible and what my art and this monument is for it's to elevate people and give them an
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example of rising to the occasion of being able to meet the challenges of being made into something
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larger than what you were before you entered into something and that's my that's my hero's journey I'm
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coming out on the other side I created this but it ultimately I want everyone to remember this is
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not about Sabin Howard today this is about you the public and that sculpture is for you and I am in
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service of those veterans that are sculpted on that wall I'm in service of you the public that will come
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and see it and learn the history of our country and have a sense of pride in the art that our country has
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made at least that's my mission and that sculpture is also something that represents us like I said
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before so it better be something of excellence and I couldn't have led this project in the beginning
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but now it's like I've taken on that mantle and I had to make decisions that would not necessarily
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make me friends with everybody but here we are well I have to say you know you know because you know
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my story that my dad was in the navy he's a veteran both my grandfathers fought in world war ii my
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great-grandfather fought in world war one I have a son-in-law who was a marine who is a veteran and I
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have to say before you started talking to some of the models from the studio who were veterans I didn't
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feel like you really understood that part of me but it do you want to talk for the war room posse
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you know what you learned from veterans and how that's changed you well we got to the midpoint
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on the sculpture so we had completed up to the battle scene and I'd been working with college
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boys and broadway actors and I was starting to get kind of fed up working with these guys that just
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didn't get it we're coming in for a paycheck and it's like they're not in it for the mission
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which was like to be in service of something bigger than themselves like you're doing a national
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monument it's not just a paycheck this is not an everyday job and we get to a place where I'm like
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I can't take this anymore I so then I I called a bunch of veteran organizations and I begin
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um with connecting with uh uh marine ricky sombrano and I make him a full-time model so
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he comes in and the attitude adjustment is just incredible it's like a 360 it's like well a 180
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so it's some complete shift of like how can I help what I got to do and it's like hop to like
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right away bang on time can I say something yeah as somebody who's modeled for you and posed in the
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studio you know it's people don't know it's hard to hold a pose it's like you can do it for for a
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couple like a minute and a half and then you want to it your shoulder scratch your head you want to
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wiggle and these marines especially but the navy all the guys navy seals the rangers they would come
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in and they would say get in pose and they would just hold it and hold it and hold it and not move
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I mean not flicker an eyelash yeah and finally Saban would get tired because usually he's very responsive
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to the model I got burnt out before the model starts twitching and say okay hey take a break
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take five minutes take ten minutes go to the bathroom you know wiggle around but these these
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guys would come in they would just hold it I was especially aware of the marines they they will
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literally not flicker a muscle but all the all the these veterans would work so hard for you till you got
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tired yeah it's it was it was really refreshing and the faces that I sculpted from those sessions
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are rangers and marines and navy seals we did six um veterans all they all had ptsd some form or
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other one one of them was like a 23 year uh veteran three tours of duty in Iraq uh they saw some serious
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stuff and um Ricky had had had a bout of trying a suicide attempt and decided to change his mind and
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realized that nobody was going to come save him and he just kind of rose up from that and developed
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an attitude of like I gotta I gotta fix myself because no one's coming and it's this attitude of
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self-responsibility that began to permeate the studio that we were all responsible for ourselves no
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matter what was occurring in our own life on a personal basis we had to just show up and go and
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I think that brought a whole different determination and values to the creative process that you don't
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usually have with artists you know you see artists no disparagement meant but they don't show up I mean
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I broke my clavicle the next day I was still in there sculpting and it didn't matter it was on me I had to
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like do what I had to do and I I think it's part of the thing is if you have an opportunity to change
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your life and to to do something that makes a difference on such a large scale you cannot squander
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the opportunity so the responsibility falls firmly upon yourself to take full accountability of the
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situation and if something is not working then you need to just fix it there's no discussion you just
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proceed and the word that became bandied about in the studio was one word one word forward forward
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that's what the word was and that's actually an allegory for what has to happen at this moment
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forward you cannot let the nonsense get in the way the speed bumps get in the way you just have to
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proceed and we're at that same place right now and I I I believe because Steve put me on this show in the
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beginning a while back that truth and light are unstoppable and the actual ideas behind the memorial
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of a soldier's journey are about bringing us together they are all Americans they are neither a
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you know one party or the other they all bled red and they all got sent off to war as Americans so
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the statement that I'm making with the memorial is united we are unstoppable
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but fractured we will fall and so this sculpture is about unification of our country under the flag it
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is the highest point on that sculpture and that's what I learned to take the bull by the horns and take
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the leadership and now proceed this sculpture is about doing that and I I'm really I'm really happy to
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give this to you guys so that you can see what's possible this is something that you should be proud of
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well we we were in our attorney's office a couple days ago and we Saban had to sign over the title to the
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sculpture um to the doughboy foundation who's holding it right now I think before the national park service
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takes it but it's interest for the American people and you know you and I we said a prayer and we had
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this moment of this being a moment where Saban's giving this amazing gift in service of and in honor
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of the American people but especially for the veterans who were so inspirational in the studio
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always working on themselves Ricky's always reading a book to improve himself everyone in the studio
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sort of fell in line with that that we we have to work on ourselves and we have to work on our group
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you know radiating outwards and um so one thing I want to ask that maybe only an ask a wife could ask
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is what would you do differently well you're asking me what would I do differently I would have fired a lot
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of people sooner honestly I would have just I was too patient I didn't take on the leadership role
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fast enough and so I was like I let a lot of things slide and I gave people the benefit of the
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doubt and I think that was a something that was part of the learning experience that I should have
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actually stepped up and said hey thank you you don't think you should have kept giving them the
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benefit of the doubt yeah I think it's time to when that happens you need to like move and you need to
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okay so I had a sense of like I'm not going to be able to accomplish this with the help of these
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other sculptors if they're not in the studio with me and I I wish now that I had fired you know some
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of them sooner um because I think the problem was is I was going into it I was really throwing all my
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eggs into one basket and they weren't and they was more of like a paycheck for them and they they're
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like coming in and shuffling about making their coffee and it's like taking extra time to get to
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their modeling stand and and getting set up and slamming and that that's it will never happen again
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well when you say sacred what do you mean you define sacred for yeah when you say this is sacred
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artist are you talking specifically about god what are you talking about when I when I was a um 14 year old
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I um my my parents are both PhDs so I'm I'm the exact opposite of them I have a trouble with
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academics um and the nonsense that they have done to destroy uh western civilization in our culture and
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so I got to see places like uh the Medici tomb in Florence and even as you know a rebellious 14 year old
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teenager it's like I walked into that room and you go into a space that is elevated in its consciousness
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what do I mean by that you have a dome at the very top like 85 feet high with light streaming down
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hitting this beautiful it's called Pietra Serena it's this gray stone that is carved into these intricate
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Corinthian capitals with all these gargoyle heads around with these niches that
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change the visuals so that you feel like you're in a building that's actually alive with energy
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it's an organism and you cannot be helped but transform on a visceral level how does that relate
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to sacred that is the sacred that you belong to something bigger than yourself because when you
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engage with that energy it elevates you and you realize that you are part of something very large
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and you are unified within the universe you are not separate to that larger yes we are because the
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modernists have just taken this idea and created a sense of chaos and alienation and it happened after
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world war one and so this whole idea that we're all in this together was chucked out the window and
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the sculpture isn't it's a direct response to that and returns to that previous era
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we're back and i want to talk to you a little bit about what's coming today at um 7 19 we will kick off
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the show at pershing park with the unveiling um it'll be uh it's called first light and it is
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the illumination of the sculpture telling the story of the soldier um passing through um battle and
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being transformed and then returning home to hand his daughter the helmet um freedom plaza is the park
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right across the street and there'll be a giant jumbotron in case we get overflow and i will also be in
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the park in the morning of the 14th um to meet you guys the public um and share that sculpture with
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you and that to me is the biggest thing because um i'm taking art and putting it in your hands and
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that is about bringing people together in a place of communication it
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it's unthinkable in places like the new new york times they would never say that
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i'm i'm really feel responsible to actually the people that come see it that it had to be something
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of tremendous excellence and i want to share that what's the message you want people to get from the
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sculpture and the humanness of the sculpture i grew up in the vietnam era and i um
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um one morning had to go pick up the new york times in the hallway um lived in a big apartment complex
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it was a four-year-old five-year-old and it's probably 68 or 69 i don't remember the exact
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year but i pick up the newspaper and there's this black and white picture of this naked
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vietnamese girl and she looks like munch's scream her head is it's sheer agony she's completely naked and
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she's running at the photographer it's black and white picture it's very stark it's raw and then
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on the left side they're like these two little kids and it's a little girl and a boy and the little girl
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and there's soldiers bringing up the rear with their guns in the background there is this cloud of
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war there are these billowing clouds it's not clouds it's explosion clouds and i was very moved i'm
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still moved by that because there is an evilness about war that is incomprehensible that to me that
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why i mean look at how many people have died this year alone because of war and i am here on steve's
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show and i admire steve tremendously because steve speaks about the truth
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the media the mainstream white bread media takes information and propagates it to the public in a
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very sly deceitful way to pretend it's a virtue to go to war it's not it is something that destroys
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and has no positive significance now i'm not saying something like world war ii that was
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we could not stop it had to happen but we're not talking about that we're talking about
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these never ending wars that are more just making people rich yes that that are about the industrial
00:35:02.920
complex so now you know where i'm coming from so i was given this project okay make a war memorial
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and then what how do you handle that when you don't like the concept of killing people
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i made something very positive out of something very negative and the the act of killing is on that
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wall there is a dead soldier in a pieta pose there is a cost of war section and that cost of war section
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is the most powerful part of the memorial it is by the shell-shocked soldier as he walks directly out at
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you off of the platform and looks at you the visitor and it was the moment in this bronze movie that
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is stop it is the only place on the whole wall that those figures are not interconnected and that is
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the figure that represents the alienation that has happened to our society that is really an offshoot of
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what happened in world war one and the end of this concept of unity because all the other figures on the
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wall are interdigitating and together they're relational and so i'm going back to that idea that
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we are all made in god's image and and the sculptures that i saw as a 14 year old are what i am like
00:36:25.400
taken down in my hard drive and playing forward in this piece it's not archaeological it's actually a
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philosophical statement about who we are and the human condition and how we need to be in community
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and together well what is our what is our responsibility what is our task towards the
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interconnectedness of all things when people have such uh vicious and hostile differing opinions and i'm
00:36:56.040
putting this in the context that the the christian scriptures say that the enemy comes to steal kill and
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destroy and god is here that we may have life and live it more abundantly so what is our responsibility in
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the midst of these intense uh feelings that are completely against each other and how can your art represent
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that how can you help people my job my dharma is to make art monuments sculpture for public
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that is my sector so in my lane we've had a lot of destruction which happens to happen during
00:37:34.840
all the election years you know it back in 2020 now we had a whole bunch more in 2024 well the
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destruction of monuments or the destruction of culture is a way to destroy history and if history is
00:37:50.120
destroyed the unification of a community a culture and a people in a or a country is put into jeopardy
00:37:58.920
because a void is made and if a void is made history can be rewritten there is no way in heck that i could
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have made this sculpture if i had not studied the history of art and been able to draw from each of those
00:38:13.480
different eras like the baroque style which has a lot of drama and a lot of movement and is very animated
00:38:21.000
that's bernini in rome in the 1600s or michelangelo in the high renaissance in florence and rome with
00:38:29.000
pieces that are very much out of the platonic ideals about solids and there's this sense of form that is
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everlasting it's timeless it's timeless and it has this stasis with fights with movement and it creates
00:38:44.920
a sense of stress which is what it means to be alive in the human or even looking back at like the greeks
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and the kouros boy and rodin's piece of adam walking these are all pieces that were in my mind
00:39:01.480
to make the sculpture and if i didn't have that as my vocabulary i never could have made something
00:39:08.440
that had such depth they're not referential it's not art about art for so that's what the art world
00:39:15.800
does it's art used as a way to write a novel or it's notes used to play a symphony and so i i am very
00:39:26.680
attached to history because it's what we have it's it's what we have been given it's our birthright
00:39:33.400
and so you destroy that and you dehumanize the public and you make the everyone's life a little
00:39:39.720
poorer and then you get rid of god and you and then you replace god with the idea that government
00:39:46.280
is what what represents that unifying force it's horrible idea i mean how many communist or socialist
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countries have actually succeeded you want to like send me some notes and just share one country
00:40:02.920
that has succeeded and so what the hell's going on on our border that they just opened it and then
00:40:08.360
they let all this in it's destructive and there are five billion people that make two dollars or more
00:40:17.960
a day and even if we let in a million people a year it's not going to make a damn bit of difference
00:40:26.200
and that's means that they're trying to take us down they're trying to destroy this country i don't
00:40:34.040
know who they is i'm an artist that's not a cop-out but i do not have that information i wish i did okay
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most artists don't talk like you what gives you a different perspective and how do you have the
00:40:49.720
courage to say it because most don't i have nothing to lose i'm never going to be picked up by a gallery
00:40:58.360
i'm never going to be picked up by a museum the new york times a garbage newspaper that propagates more
00:41:04.200
of this media misinformation is never going to write a nice comment about me it i'm going to speak to
00:41:11.400
truth because the sculpture is about the truth and the problem is that people in general are fed lies
00:41:19.480
and propaganda through the media and fortunately for shows like steve bannon's war room there's
00:41:26.840
information that actually has some truth and we are on the verge of like not being a country we're not
00:41:33.400
even on the the global stage anymore it's if i ran my business the way the government has run its
00:41:39.800
business i i would i would i would be pulled off the jail by my creditors well i ran our business but
00:41:49.400
exactly um this has been amazing i just want to go back to our team inside the studio if you want to
00:41:55.960
just talk about some of the highlights of our team the people who supported the along the way well this
00:42:03.000
is a very human project it is not run by machines computers cameras it's run by actual people's hands heart
00:42:15.320
and mind and we had people that actually got the messaging that we were operating from that place
00:42:28.360
from the human place of making art by humans for humans and there's no there's not there's not a shortcut
00:42:38.440
here and we had a foundry in the uk called pangolin run by runway kingdom who is the same who comes from a
00:42:47.480
previous era where the digital is seen as a great tool but not an end result and so they were all on
00:42:55.560
board and they're there that foundry put together 650 pieces to put that memorial back together so you
00:43:04.840
send them we had to do that during covet we sent them our sculptures cut up and put into shipping
00:43:11.400
containers and then framed out so they would be safe in the transport and when they opened the doors they
00:43:18.440
were and then they began molding and transferring the clay into bronze
00:43:22.520
well all those pieces had to be put back together and people like kane in the finishing department
00:43:31.400
25 year olds who got trained on this project who's now 28 acquired leadership roles it's just
00:43:39.880
200 people at that foundry every single person at that foundry the kotswolds had something to do
00:43:46.040
with putting that metal back together what about in our studio and the sculpting the day-to-day
00:43:51.240
in our studio obviously you were there for every single block that we had to do to stop people from
00:43:56.840
coming in so i could keep working and doing the business reports every month to the commission
00:44:02.040
because we're being audited all the time to make sure that we're not you know going the wrong way with
00:44:07.160
the money and that we were on time and then charlie who came in as a you know a young guy and he had to
00:44:13.480
grow a lot to take on the responsibility of making something that will last forever
00:44:18.680
and beat mortality and ricky the model that we spoke about and sarah mangasar who was you know helped
00:44:27.240
with walking our german shepherd and it's incredible and sarana pack who is there to do all the paperwork
00:44:34.680
and jess artman charlie's wife who even pregnant was sculpting and these are human beings that actually
00:44:43.240
helped produce this sculpture and it's it's it's a moment to acknowledge that community and working
00:44:50.520
towards something to to to build to make to make something of excellence and value for others not to
00:44:59.720
destroy to take down and that's what we are fighting and that's why i become so vociferous
00:45:06.440
in terms of like what the government has done in terms of perpetuating wars upon its public because
00:45:12.440
ultimately we end up paying for it and that money then goes towards things that could have been
00:45:19.400
going towards things that are positive so it's that's that's a big deal we can build we can rebuild
00:45:26.520
our infrastructure we can create more memorials we can create school systems actually teach our
00:45:32.120
children how to read and do math and think about things in a critical way the tools of critical
00:45:37.160
analysis or we can pay raytheon and some of these other places a lot of money and um and let the
00:45:43.400
politicians get kickbacks right yeah but in our studio you know if somebody asked them if they've been
00:45:49.880
hard to work for what would they say and do you want to tell everyone what your nickname was
00:45:54.360
well my nickname in the studio is il duce which is you know from uh world war ii the italian dictator
00:46:04.200
now it's out and basically whatever i say goes and i i have integrity i have honesty in running my shop
00:46:14.360
and i always give people a chance and a second chance because to arrive at a higher level
00:46:21.800
in the crafts like sculpture making there are a lot of mistakes that are made but you do not repeat
00:46:27.640
mistakes more than once and that that is the deal there um
00:46:33.720
i i i believe that the whole idea of constructing and making something though um has been taken off the
00:46:41.240
map in a way for our country and i hope that once this sculpture is unveiled that we can proceed
00:46:50.120
into more memorials and monuments that speak well about our history in a heroic unifying fashion
00:47:00.200
that does not destroy the fabric of our nation and so that is my aspiration to begin another monument
00:47:09.240
about american exceptionalism and american history in the spring and it is my hope and dream that we
00:47:17.480
move towards rebuilding our country with beauty beauty beauty is about humanity it's about human beings
00:47:27.000
and not towards this destroying because it's shocking to see for myself the sculpture in front of the white
00:47:39.000
house being sprayed by the protesters and then no arrests being made that is shocking because if i went out
00:47:48.120
at night and i destroyed a car or vandalized public property i would end up in jail that night so i think we need
00:47:57.240
to really rethink this privilege protesting that is going on and begin to have some demonstrations against it
00:48:08.920
and lay the law down like re look at laws that make destruction of public property of felony not a misdemeanor that
00:48:21.000
gets you out in a few hours and i take it as a personal affront given the fact that
00:48:28.520
those monuments took a lot of education and a lot of training to make beauty excellence and the artist skill
00:48:36.760
matter yeah as those things go back to the sacred that's right that's right and if you make things of little value
00:48:45.080
and build buildings and architecture that are ugly in their aesthetics you're actually denigrating
00:48:54.360
humanity because we are deeply affected by what we take in visually and that is one of the things that
00:49:03.400
i bring to the table because i grew up in italy and i was surrounded by the splendor of the italian renaissance
00:49:11.400
and there is an elegance and a power to art that i am playing forward and i am doing it in service
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of we the people because you are owed sacred art and sacred culture because this country is the only
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