In this episode, we talk with Jack Clark, CEO of Anthropic, about artificial intelligence and the rogue state theory of A.I. and why we should be worried about it. We discuss the dangers of a rogue state, the implications of AI, and how governments should prepare for the next wave of AI.
00:00:00.000this is what you're fighting for I mean every day you're out there what they're doing is blowing
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00:00:40.300your host Stephen K Bannon this is probably the first device we've ever used that you can imagine
00:00:46.160replacing the phone this is Orion not a headset no wires wide field of view holographic displays
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00:01:00.340this is the physical world with holograms overlaid on it for a lot of people all the AI stuff I think
00:01:07.480is a really big deal um the voice is is I think you know it's just so much more natural but right now
00:01:14.020with med AI texted a few questions uh every day but when I was playing around with it with my daughters
00:01:20.600last night and we just had like a 15 minute conversation about like what our family should
00:01:25.200be for Halloween and and it's just like a completely different vibe when you're using it with voice so
00:01:29.680I think that's going to be a big deal all the AI stuff that we're bringing the Ray-Bans yeah I think
00:01:33.540is going to be neat and making it so your glasses can help you remember things um making it so now the
00:01:38.660glasses can give you suggestions and and obviously Orion right I mean that I mean the and they're just
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00:01:51.300controlled with the neural interface which itself was of course a tremendous journey of research to get
00:01:56.580this kind of small sleek looking uh band that you can uh with a slight gesture even out of view of the
00:02:03.400device control the interface that's happening on the device because the device itself is also aware of the
00:02:09.260world around you thanks to these tremendous advances in AI and it's able to be helpful without me having
00:02:14.540to go out of band and be like oh let me I mean let me go look that up oh I just remembered I've got to
00:02:18.960check my it's like no you don't have to remember those things like those things will be contextually
00:02:22.560available to you at a thought and such what we're looking at now is the beginning of the next wave of AI
00:02:30.480the biggest wave of AI and this is really about companies around the world using AI to be more
00:02:37.420productive as their digital employees and AI agents and co-pilots and however people describe them as
00:02:44.080well as using AI generative AI to revolutionize the way they build their products and the products they
00:02:51.980build hello and welcome to another conversation from Anthropic my name today I'm here with Jack Clark
00:02:58.160who's one of our co-founders um and also our head of policy this isn't like a technology this is much
00:03:05.860more and I said this to the UN Security Council last year and I've kind of been expanding this this idea
00:03:11.380recently it's much more like we figured out a way to simulate some aspect of people and to extend some
00:03:18.180aspect of like how countries work and it's like these AI systems are like these these silicon countries
00:03:23.940which we're importing into the world of all of these incredible capabilities and that's never happened
00:03:29.500before can you talk us through the rogue state theory of AI so but if you talk to government and say
00:03:35.120AI systems are like a new country that's doing bad stuff that you do not understand it requires them
00:03:43.440to think much more holistically about how they deal with that and it means that you can say to them
00:03:48.140you need a whole of government response to AI systems which actually like sounds a lot more sensible if you
00:03:54.140think of it like a like a country instead of a technology what the the leaders of these companies are saying
00:04:00.260what you know Dario and Sam and Demis are all saying when they talk about artificial general intelligence
00:04:05.540it's not a marketing term it's a general thing that they believe in they believe that they are
00:04:12.860have a chance of building a generally intelligent kind of synthetic intelligence with the creativity of
00:04:21.740a human you know that runs at machine speed and that is a completely world-changing thing if any of us
00:04:28.820succeed the big disagreement I had with Ray is I think after you get human level AGI I think you're
00:04:34.680only a few years from super intelligence and he he said human level AGI 2029 singularity 2045
00:04:42.880but I think his curve fitting is overfit to having humans do the invention like I think once the AGI
00:04:48.820is doing the invention the exponent and the exponential growth curve becomes bigger and I think it only will
00:04:55.600be a few years from a human level AGI to a super AGI because that human level AGI will be able to
00:05:03.780program and invent new chips and invent new forms of networking and so forth it seems like it should
00:05:09.660be able to to upgrade itself pretty pretty rough if you trend some call it transhumanism some call it
00:05:16.480technocracy there are all kinds of new terms for it accelerationism effective altruism optimalism
00:05:24.860long-termism don't get hung up on all these names just know that like all religious worlds there is
00:05:31.600diversity there but my favorite term is cyborg theocracy good evening it is Thursday October 3rd in
00:05:43.560the year of our Lord 2024 I am Joe Allen sitting in for Stephen K Bannon who remains a political prisoner
00:05:52.160but not much longer he'll be out soon God willing and when he comes back you can be sure he's going to be
00:06:00.660breathing fire hopefully he won't be breathing fire about my own hijinks you saw there a talk that I just
00:06:09.100gave in Dallas Texas cyborg theocracy the rise of digital deities if you want to watch the whole thing
00:06:18.140be sure to head over to my site jobot.xyz now cyborg theocracy what is that of course it is a society
00:06:28.500that is run effectively that is run effectively by priests and the cyborg element is that you have a
00:06:37.600priesthood that interprets the machine determine it they determine the programming they determine
00:06:45.580the parameters and it lends itself to these sorts of metaphors of AI as a disembodied spirit
00:06:54.700AI as a god whether it's a little g god or in the most ambitious iterations a big g god now there are
00:07:08.560other less ambitious metaphors or analogies for artificial intelligence you have the analogy with
00:07:18.840the organism so that many of these people believe that artificial intelligence and robotics is a kind
00:07:26.300of new life form or at the very least an extension of the human body or the human brain and so you saw
00:07:35.720there Mark Zuckerberg with his new Orion spectacles and the idea is that these will be a new perceptual
00:07:44.480window not unlike the eye and the brain but augmented so that the human being is no longer just the
00:07:54.880biological organism that it once was the human being then becomes something new and we've seen this
00:08:01.560already with smartphones go back a step personal computers go back a step televisions radios so on and so
00:08:08.160forth they see it going forward to the point that these devices will become a part of us and of course we
00:08:16.460know Elon Musk Peter Thiel many others are working on technologies to put them right in the brain
00:08:24.940you also heard Jack Clark of Anthropic Anthropic is one of the leading companies working on artificial
00:08:32.580general intelligence and he describes artificial intelligence as simulated humans an entire nation
00:08:41.940of humans an entire nation or many nations of humans that are poised to invade our world already
00:08:52.320artificial intelligence is being integrated into education into many corporations government agencies
00:08:59.520you see it integrated into the medical system you see it integrated into the military all the most
00:09:07.000important sectors of society artificial intelligence is becoming a partner as they describe it or an
00:09:16.780invader as I would describe it you have Sam Altman promising that GPT-5 will be at the level of a PhD
00:09:26.340graduate that means that 99% of all human minds at least according to Altman's and other sort of
00:09:37.740transhuman paradigms these people will become obsolete human thinking will become obsolete in the face of these
00:09:46.860machines bringing us back to the metaphor of artificial intelligence as a little g god
00:09:56.000a superhuman entity with not just intellectual authority right it's the authority in any given
00:10:03.800subject matter and its word should be trusted above most if not all humans but you have many people who want to
00:10:12.580position AI as an actual decision maker an actual authority most likely not over those who create it and deploy it
00:10:21.680but undoubtedly over those whom the people who create and deploy these systems believe to be inferior
00:10:29.500to the machine now a lot of things are going to come into play that determine whether or not this
00:10:38.520civilizational transformation happens at all or happens in the way that they are promising the first is whether or not
00:10:46.980these systems actually produce the sorts of answers and accurate views of reality that we're being told they will the other though and
00:10:57.280this is where our choice comes in the other is will we adopt it will we turn over our minds to the machine so ask yourself
00:11:07.480always as these technologies as these technologies are pushed in your face and into the faces of your children do i trust these technologies do i trust the people who create them do i trust the people who deploy them can i trust my child's education to a machine can i trust my own health to a machine these are going to be very difficult questions
00:11:37.480they will say you should always always be suspicious of what the underlying motivation of these technologies and the corporate structure around them what are the motivations are they to help you truly or are they to subjugate you and obliviate your value the same questions are going to have to be asked about the border can i trust these machines to secure our borders because you already have drone technology
00:12:07.460and various sensor technologies and various sensor technologies and of course dna testing to regulate immigration you also have the question do i trust machines to fight my wars for me do we turn over the power of life and death the power to kill to machines and last but not least do we trust machines to interpret reality for us
00:12:36.120that brings us that brings us to our friend john carey if uh denver will just roll this and we will bring in the great tim hinchlip of the sociable and i think the the dislike of and anguish over social media is just growing and growing and growing uh and it's part of our problem particularly in democracies uh in terms of building consensus around any issue it's really hard to govern
00:13:05.940today you can't you know you know you can't you know there's no you know there's no you know there's no you know there's no you know there's no the referees we used to have to determine what's a fact and what isn't a fact that kind of you know been eviscerated to a certain degree
00:13:16.420and um people go and then people self-select where they go for their news or for their information and then you just get into a vicious cycle so it's really really hard much harder to build consensus
00:13:29.760today than at any time in the 45 50 years i've been involved in this but look if people go to only one source and the source they go to is sick
00:13:39.100and uh you know has an agenda and they're putting out disinformation uh our first amendment stands as a major
00:13:48.240block to the ability to be able to just you know hammer it out of existence so what you need what we need is to
00:13:55.380is to win the ground win the right to govern by hopefully having uh you know winning enough votes
00:14:03.580that you're free to be able to to uh implement change
00:14:07.780quite a disturbing tone that john carrey is striking there you you have already the problem of can you trust
00:14:18.400human beings to interpret reality increasingly can you trust machines can you trust john carrey
00:14:26.840and the various democratic and global institutions that he puts forward as a solution to these problems
00:14:34.600to talk about this we have tim hinchliff of the sociable he's been following not only john carrey's
00:14:41.860appearance there at the world economic forum but a number of other situations and issues around
00:14:48.240this tim please tell us what is john carrey tell is saying to us here is he saying to abolish the
00:14:54.580first amendment or is he just saying secure the government even though all these proles are being
00:15:01.860able to think and speak for themselves yeah well first thanks again for having me on it's a pleasure
00:15:07.280um i don't think that john carrey is calling to abolish the first amendment um there can be a lot of
00:15:14.020workarounds and i can kind of go through it a little bit so you know what he said was um i mean
00:15:19.580this question it was during a session called uh it's not easy trading green at the world economic
00:15:25.340forum sustainable development impact meetings last wednesday last week um so the question was just can
00:15:31.520you expand on the role of tackling climate misinformation so that's what it's kind of geared
00:15:35.920towards and what that means for the marketplace and so when he says that it's hard to govern
00:15:40.580and that democracy struggle with consensus and uh the referees are eviscerated yeah because it's not
00:15:46.360like the good old days you know when you got walter cronkite out there and this is the news as it was
00:15:51.520and this is what happened and and all that they don't have those um you know just a handful or less than a
00:15:57.100handful of channels in the media at least putting out information it's hard to govern because you know
00:16:02.600now we have a lot more information out there some people will say it's an infodemic because there's so
00:16:07.620much information that we actually do nowadays get to self-select our news and info like he says
00:16:13.100um you know in the future maybe that will be taken over by machines the ai as you kind of alluded to
00:16:18.980earlier because there's gonna be so much information that we don't know what to deal with but on the term
00:16:24.540of you know how to curb disinformation um when he talks about if you go to one source and that source
00:16:30.840is sick and has an agenda and is putting out disinformation well he is describing himself i mean he's
00:16:37.180describing the world economic forum he's describing the united nations he's describing uh the world
00:16:42.120health organization who always want to be single sources of information and it's as if they are like
00:16:48.820you talk about the cyborg theocracy but this is like kind of the science after they declared we own
00:16:53.880the science um two years ago at the very same meeting by the way two years ago so you know when
00:16:59.440they said vaccinate the world there when klaus schwab said nobody will be safe if not everyone is
00:17:05.520fractionated or when they say the polar ice caps are melting and that all these places are going to
00:17:10.060be underwater or that you know by 2014 mount kilimanjaro was supposed to have no more snow
00:17:15.140um then you start to see what kind of misinformation disinformation is being put out there and so when
00:17:22.680kerry says we need to win the ground we need to win the right to govern by hopefully winning enough
00:17:29.260votes that you're free to implement change about hammering disinformation out of um existence
00:17:34.740what i think is the if i were a unelected globalist narcissist megalomaniac drunk on power
00:17:42.360i would look for what kind of loopholes are already in place uh when it comes to free speech at least
00:17:47.340united states so um maybe you know you talk about it as ecocide so if you say something um that goes
00:17:55.620against this climate agenda you're actually threatening to kill the planet and there's things
00:18:00.700you know you can't threaten to kill people that's uh that's kind of been a graze on there and then
00:18:04.960also if you go against what this kind of you talk about priesthood you know in technology well the
00:18:09.660science and climate so you know these ipcc documents these are kind of like biblical religious texts the
00:18:16.020institutions themselves like the churches the temples the synagogues the mosques so if you are
00:18:22.540committing ecocide or threatening to commit ecocide you're also um what are you doing you're defaming
00:18:29.140these institutions who have who own the science so that's how i'd go after if i were an unelected
00:18:34.780globus i'd go after it in these other ways of saying okay how can we attack speech in this way
00:18:39.120and uh with at least through government if it's not through government go through the those institutions
00:18:44.280you know unwef themselves to put out uh the information themselves and then partner like they
00:18:49.560always do with uh big tech companies and just have them do the bidding for them so there's there's many
00:18:54.840different ways to go about it because um i mean carrie also said that you know democracies can't
00:19:00.160move fast enough and they're not big enough to deal with these kinds of challenges and that they're
00:19:04.520struggling with an absence of a sort of truth arbiter because no one who can define what the
00:19:08.900facts really are so what's that going to be in the future is it going to be those institutions is it
00:19:13.180going to be the ai and if it is going to be the ai what kind of uh data you're alluding to earlier
00:19:18.640is being fed into those systems garbage in garbage out so that's uh those are the kind of areas i see
00:19:24.740that uh being uh pulled into you know something you highlight there that really really rustles my
00:19:30.980jimmies is that we have of course there's a problem with disinformation there always has been there
00:19:38.580have always been lies there's been propaganda for the entirety of the modern world but these people
00:19:44.920who are positioning themselves to be the arbiters of truth they have lied to us consistently and even
00:19:52.780when it was an honest mistake they refuse to accept accountability for it so at this point i think that
00:20:00.560the best possible outcome would be to uplift and educate the populace so they're able to better
00:20:07.360understand what is and isn't real but as we were talking about uh yesterday you already have various
00:20:13.920programs to kind of cultivate public consciousness in a very very direct way uh u.n the u.n partnered
00:20:22.220with tiktok to put influencers forward right to to cultivate reality tell us a little bit about that
00:20:28.880you've got an article up right now on the sociable uh tell us about it tim right so this isn't the first
00:20:36.320so this was just last week as well the um so it's the world health organization which is part of the u.n
00:20:40.740of course um they just partnered with tiktok uh to only put out basically be a propaganda arm
00:20:48.920of the united nations and they've done this before um but with this latest announcement so if you look
00:20:54.220at the tiktok press release they all talk about oh we're trying to encourage mental health it's all
00:20:58.900about mental health and getting rid of stigmas and stuff if you go to the world health organization
00:21:03.020press release which i've linked both of them in the article um it just says a variety of health
00:21:07.920issues and well-being in general so uh what they're what the world health organization is doing in
00:21:14.240partnering with tiktok is that um they're going to train influencers in how to deliver best messaging
00:21:21.820that's only approved you know by the who and the united nations and they're doing this through a
00:21:26.080network called the fides network f-i-d-e-s and it and it consists of some 800 creators it was launched
00:21:33.180in 2020 to get rid of um misinformation uh during the uh the pandemic if you want to call it that
00:21:39.620and now they say they got 150 million users across various platforms so yeah it's just basically to put
00:21:46.180out more propaganda but it wasn't the first time that the u.n partnered with tiktok um again going back
00:21:52.820to the same meeting two years ago of the world economic forum sustainable development impact
00:21:57.060meetings that's you know when melissa fleming the global communications director at the u.n said we
00:22:01.720own the science she also talked about how they partnered with tiktok and other um platforms on
00:22:08.600something called team halo which was the exact same thing because she said that when we uh reached out
00:22:15.120to influencers and we gave doctors and scientists their little ticks little blue ticks so they get
00:22:19.940more recognition we found that she said that people paid more attention to them and found them
00:22:25.900more trustworthy than any messaging that came from the united nations in new york so it's just another
00:22:30.900continuation of that so they own you know they they think they own the science they believe they own the
00:22:35.860science they and then in the platforms as well and so this is just it's also going on what happened at
00:22:41.780the summit of the future last week as well or yeah week and a half last week um when they were
00:22:46.860talking about information integrity melissa fleming was on a panel one of the side panels once again
00:22:51.880lamenting all this information stuff and what they want to do is stomp it out in the name of the
00:22:56.980sustainable development goals and so this partnership tiktok the who united nations it all fits together
00:23:03.100it goes with the pact of the future the sum of the future it goes with all these uh ways to stamp out
00:23:07.840this information on climate change and health and all of that so it's just one big coordinated effort
00:23:12.940yeah i mean we just saw with the entire tenant media media scandal the all this outrage over a
00:23:22.160handful of influencers who were loosely connected to russian influence operation and yet here you have
00:23:29.700a chinese-owned app tiktok you have an international organization the who which by the way good fact
00:23:37.000see this is how reality comes uh about it as best we can uh not the un the who um so but you have this
00:23:46.020international organization the who and it's largely paid for by the bill and melinda gates foundation which
00:23:53.540you know ostensibly is american although they oftentimes behave otherwise i just i find the hypocrisy around this
00:23:59.520just so galling um tim uh please let us know where can we find your article on the who and tiktok
00:24:08.440and uh what are you working on right now oh thanks yeah you can find it right at uh sociable.co it's
00:24:16.340right up there on the front and um you can also follow on twitter x at at the sociable or at tim hinchliff
00:24:23.260uh but right now i was just about to publish another story on the world's economic forum and
00:24:28.720how they're pushing the eat the bugs agenda and alternative proteins and uh what they're actually
00:24:34.080doing now and one of the latest reports is saying that they're doing it in incremental steps to reduce
00:24:39.900meat consumption and while this whole bug eating alternative fake meat cultivated lab-grown crap
00:24:47.040uh it's going to take over in little increments just like the move from cash to a cashless society
00:24:53.060and programmable digital currencies is happening so that's coming in little incremental steps until
00:24:57.120it gradually gets phased out that's what i'm working on at the moment fantastic excellent work tim
00:25:02.780very good to speak with you again look forward to talking to you soon
00:25:06.100god's absolute pleasure thank you all right we'll be back after a commercial break stay tuned
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00:30:46.700all right posse welcome back you know there are only a few things that keep me up at night
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00:31:36.640two guests we have tj harker coming up and grace chong but i want to give a shout out to our friend
00:31:44.520zarathustra at czarnick on x you can see there on the screen you see a lot of my clips with all these
00:31:54.120egghead geeks talking about what the future is going to be a lot of times i get my inspiration from
00:32:00.580zarathustra this guy is a machine he may actually be a machine and if you want to keep up with what
00:32:07.320they say about technology i highly recommend following zarathustra now if you want to hear
00:32:14.820about geeks and eggheads go there if you want to hear about actual human beings actual men of
00:32:20.760accomplishment maybe you want to ask our boy tj harker former federal prosecutor and now a very
00:32:29.800prolific writer his new piece is up at man's world and he also has his own sub stack as well as
00:32:36.380appearances on american mind the federalist blaze and so on tj harker welcome and tell us about your
00:32:43.140new piece up at man's world hopefully it will make any girly men in the posse a bit envious or at
00:32:50.680least motivated to become real men not that there are many girly men out in the war room posse but
00:32:57.300please sir the floor is yours yeah thanks for having me on joe so you know look i think right
00:33:03.140now a lot of americans are finally waking up to the fact that uh we are sort of ruled by this cadre
00:33:09.240of so-called elites and their mandarin servants who simply do not possess the technical competence to
00:33:16.420do more or less anything other than narrative control and propaganda and uh you know we've been
00:33:23.040living off of our accumulated wealth for so long that their technical incompetence was disguised from
00:33:28.820us because we simply had a tremendous amount of wealth for for decades the infrastructure was in
00:33:34.080good place uh good in good uh in good uh condition the you know the armed forces were robust and
00:33:39.820powerful and so forth and uh but now we're sort of running on fumes and that technical incompetence is
00:33:45.260becoming apparent across a wide array of domains and uh and frankly it's simply ridiculous i mean if
00:33:51.800you look at fema's response most recently in north carolina that response has been grossly inadequate
00:33:57.200they lack the funding they lack the personnel and of course they lack the technical competence to do what
00:34:01.980they're supposed to do which is to help americans uh one of the reasons they lack the money is because
00:34:06.780they spent hundreds of millions of dollars this year helping illegal aliens uh in addition the department
00:34:12.500of defense is incompetent the intelligence community is incompetent uh they won't let us know yet but
00:34:16.920it's coming ukraine is losing the war despite the hundreds of billions of dollars that we have sent to
00:34:22.040ukraine they're incompetent in that respect the department of the treasury and the federal reserve are
00:34:26.100incompetent our our debt is out of control we have an incredible borrowing costs now the the currency
00:34:31.760is out of control prices are up energy costs are up health care costs are up insurance costs are up
00:34:37.160uh grocery costs are up uh everything in this infrastructure is falling apart whether it's
00:34:43.440you know from the roads to the high tension power lines to our ability to produce energy
00:34:47.520uh the the leaders at the top of this administrative bureaucracy simply lack the expertise to do what they
00:34:53.700need to do and americans are starting to pay the price financially and in material suffering terms
00:34:59.360you know this this competency crisis that we're suffering under and i run into it all the time i
00:35:06.440mean i drive these roads all the time and i haven't yet to see one that doesn't have potholes like we're
00:35:12.800rolling across you know the surface of mars what is this about i mean a lot of conspiracy theorists
00:35:19.260would say that this incompetence is just a smoke screen for the super geniuses behind the scenes but i think
00:35:25.280that the idea of super genius villains is actually quite comforting that would mean somebody was in
00:35:29.940control if it's just a bunch of dum-dums then well now what yeah you know what's interesting about
00:35:36.980well there is no super villain there are people whose interests are coordinated and they are doing
00:35:42.480everything they can to sort of extract the last you know the last vestiges of wealth from america and
00:35:48.020from you know global various countries across the globe most of these people are part of the
00:35:52.420lobbying sort of gold collar class that live in and around washington dc new york and san francisco and
00:35:58.060so forth they're they're sort of a parasitic extractive class they would not exist but for the fiat
00:36:03.460currency that exists in the united states and they can extract value through that system but that's a
00:36:07.460different conversation you know the fact of the matter is is that the technical competence that does
00:36:12.380exist in the united states today exists among ordinary men and women i mean again back to the fema
00:36:19.180example in north carolina pete buttigage is grossly incompetent he has absolutely no experience the
00:36:24.680secretary of transportation has no experience in logistics or transportation he was unable to do
00:36:29.360anything about the port jam of los angeles last year and two years ago he is unable to do anything
00:36:34.360helpful in connection with the port strikes across the entire east coast of the united states it's it's
00:36:39.280ridiculous that he would be in this position it's laughable that he would be able to do anything to
00:36:43.740help the people of north carolina uh western north carolina at the same time uh veterans churches
00:36:49.660small businesses americans real americans are actually doing things like actually delivering
00:36:55.940foodstuffs food supplies water conducting rescue missions even flight operations uh despite the fact
00:37:02.520that the federal government is incompetent to do this and or really in spite of the the obstacles
00:37:07.560thrown up by the federal government so the thing to realize here is we are entering a new era
00:37:12.560the era of sort of big government centralized control during which uh you know administrative
00:37:17.480bureaucracies could come in and do massive things on behalf of massive nation states is ending and it is
00:37:23.400not going to come back instead we're going to return to a local or more localized or regional
00:37:28.540attempt to solve problems because these problems are so variegated and because quite simply the people
00:37:33.260at the top do not have the confidence to do it on the other hand the regular americans do have that
00:37:38.640competence and one other thing i'd point out just one last point at the beginning of the 20th century
00:37:43.560the progressive era was introduced in the united states and with progressivism was this idea that
00:37:48.640technocratic rule by experts elite technocracy could replace constitutional republicanism and self-governance
00:37:56.140by regular people like you and me we were a problem we were an obstacle to that technocratic
00:38:01.200governments and so over the course of the next 100 years they did away with our constitutional
00:38:05.640form of republican governments and in its place we were supposed to get technocratic competence
00:38:11.780administrative capacity and capability instead we lost our form of constitutional republicanism
00:38:17.500and we didn't get the technical competence we got neither so it's ironic of course that the heirs
00:38:22.600of the progressive movement of the early 20th century today are the woke totalitarians and they are
00:38:28.420radically incompetent at everything except narrative control and propaganda uh you just published an
00:38:37.840article on your substack about that very problem of the kind of woke totalitarianism decentralized system
00:38:44.220of blue haired and you know man bun dummies uh what's the title of the piece uh get your ears ready
00:38:52.960war room posse and what is that one about yeah i think you're referring to the article called the
00:38:58.200rape of jackson refit's mind is that the article you're referring to that's the one yeah that's
00:39:03.660the one so jackson refit is the son of guy refit guy refit was a an electoral justice protester who
00:39:10.820showed up at the capitol on january 6th and was subsequently prosecuted by a weaponized department
00:39:16.520of justice that has lost all sense of uh prudence moderation and decency he was sentenced to seven and a
00:39:22.900half years in prison guy refit was as it turns out the reason that he was prosecuted in part
00:39:28.040was because the department of justice uh and you know more or less the totalitarian society that is
00:39:33.540proffered and promoted by academia and all the sort of elite cultural institutions put a tremendous
00:39:39.300amount of pressure on his son jackson refit who at the age of 18 years old reported his father
00:39:45.380to the fbi and then later testified at trial against his own father alienating himself from his sister and
00:39:53.760his mother uh this is not what healthy societies do this is what totalitarian dictatorships do
00:40:00.420they put pressure political pressure on families to turn against themselves and so that's the type
00:40:05.780of thing that's happening in the united states of america that's a good example of what i mean by
00:40:09.460the one area of technical confidence that this ruling elite has is in the field of narrative control
00:40:15.060and propaganda brainwashing which is essential to maintaining their totalitarian grip on power
00:40:20.540at the same time they can't do basic things like rescue regular americans who go to work for a
00:40:26.520living pay taxes and reside in the western mountains of north carolina yeah you know it's very very
00:40:32.320perverse it's very children of the damned and people in the war room posse have been right at the tip of
00:40:39.860the spear on this as far as the january 6 prisoners as far as the federal government's weaponization
00:40:46.200against us and i also uh sympathize with many i mean communication with many people in the posse
00:40:52.520whose children and grandchildren have taken the same turn and turned against them it's uh it's a very
00:40:58.960perverse technique in order to secure political power tj where can we find the new article at man's
00:41:06.840world where can we find your sub stack and what do you got coming up for us yeah absolutely so man's
00:41:13.360world is a great publication it's uh put together by by a raw egg nationalist i recommend it to
00:41:19.140everybody you can also find my sub stack you can just go to tjharker.com the full name is amicus
00:41:24.820republici or friend of the republic but tjharker.com will get you there uh i'm working on a bunch of
00:41:30.200different things right now one of them i think i'm going to entitle it your pronouns are world class
00:41:37.400and it's going to be about the opposite end of the uh spectrum of uh the opposite side from the
00:41:43.380ruling elite it's going to be about the regular americans actually know how to do things like
00:41:48.560string high tension power lines rescue people in dire need get food to them keep the raids the
00:41:53.340roads paved you know take care of children and pediatric clinics keep the churches functioning and
00:41:58.560so forth uh because this country to the extent that it is still functioning is functioning for one
00:42:03.480reason and one reason only and that is because regular americans are making it function all right
00:42:09.540tj harker thank you very much sir for coming by we look forward to seeing you again godspeed and god
00:42:14.560bless thanks joe so i am not a political person as you know i am very cynical about politics but i have
00:42:24.740to say the debate between jd vance and tim walls at least gave me some inspiration jd vance if nothing
00:42:32.320else is a very competent guy and he slayed walls just it was amazing and so outside of that fanboying
00:42:41.800that's all you're going to get out of me he is a fellow hillbilly uh we have to do everything possible
00:42:47.480to get people out to the polls here to talk about that is the lovely grace chong grace how do we get
00:42:56.160them out there what are we going to do hi joe thanks for having me on so there's 33 days left
00:43:03.660and i was on last night with dave bratt on uh battleground and we started a war room posse
00:43:10.260get out to vote campaign where every single posse member texts calls or sends postcards to at least 10
00:43:17.660to 20 people a day from now until the election time so yesterday i sent 50 text messages so i'm
00:43:25.660hoping that all of you guys did too and it took me only about 10 minutes but before we get into that
00:43:31.740make sure you're registered to vote check the last day to register in your state and when early voting
00:43:40.140starts don't wait to the last minute because and have a plan because for example arizona the last
00:43:47.240day to register is this coming monday october 7th and then early voting starts on october 9th that
00:43:54.700wednesday and there's no same day registration on election day in arizona so make sure to plan ahead
00:44:01.880so going back to the war room posse get out to vote campaign you should have started this already
00:44:08.500yesterday but it's for all the posse members to call text send postcards to at least 10 to 20 people
00:44:17.420every single day and actually writing postcards and handwriting these postcards and letters
00:44:26.420are actually better so people are getting inundated with text messages and phone calls and they tend to
00:44:32.860ignore it so writing these personalized letters actually have become so much more effective
00:44:38.380and it gives that personal touch so i just really encourage you guys to really think about doing
00:44:44.360it and just do it so anyway the apps that you want to use it's early action early vote action
00:44:51.840the tp action app and the nevada gop app they're so easy to use you can text call send postcards
00:45:01.160register people to vote on these apps too and they're all really similar so but what is very
00:45:07.940critical mission critical battleground states so for early vote action you can target pennsylvania
00:45:15.280voters but it's not limited to pennsylvania just like a tp action app you can target arizona voters but
00:45:23.460you can also do voters around you nevada is specifically for nevada but you don't have to live in
00:45:29.940nevada to use the app in fact anyone from any state can use any of these apps and so
00:45:36.360this is your mission to download this app right now if you haven't and start calling texting sending
00:45:43.780postcards so um these i just want to explain so these apps they have send call send text send postcard
00:45:52.920tabs that provide pre-written scripts and with the send postcards they have the addresses and so you
00:46:01.740can just easily get started if you want to write your own message letter you can include things like
00:46:08.240why this election matters remind them to their vote counts mention key candidate policies you know trump
00:46:16.980versus harris encourage them to make a voting plan and include key dates like registration and early
00:46:24.040voting and thank them for being involved so one of the questions i've gotten is where can we get
00:46:29.840postcards you can call your the trump force 47 in your state or your state gop for postcards and see if
00:46:37.980they're available if not just buy and make your own they're super cheap and it will go a long way
00:46:43.600so i want to take this time to just give a really quick shout out to posse members nicole matt zimmerman
00:46:51.880and ben they've been force multipliers and they have been registering and sending postcards follow
00:46:58.780them on twitter x and reach out to them for with any questions you know using the app or any questions
00:47:05.100about how to you know the best way to send a postcard they are there for you they're awesome please reach
00:47:11.020out to them and just want to say even if you send just one postcard send one call one text one call
00:47:21.800and that's it do it because every vote counts okay so now now just for general questions i want to
00:47:30.600mention jojo war rooms grass roots liaison on the screen yes so i want to make sure if you guys have
00:47:38.960any general questions or you know she will she will answer them or if she doesn't know she will find
00:47:44.220the answer for you so that's her um twitter handle and getter and also her email and she loves getting
00:47:51.680questions and emails so please reach out to her we're all here for you guys so i just want to say
00:47:59.080this audience war room posse you guys are all amazing you guys are the ones that took down a speaker of
00:48:05.680the house first time ever in history you guys are powerful together we are unstoppable so please make
00:48:14.280sure to download these apps send postcards talk to your neighbors friends family uh host a party pizza
00:48:22.380party on the weekend and write postcards together you know do a wine night and do it anything you can do
00:48:28.140from now every single day at least 10 to 20 people that is what steve wants 100 and lastly joe i know i
00:48:37.660scared you last time because he saw my hit i think was last week and he texted me saying shoot i'm not
00:48:43.520sure if i registered so did you register did you make sure you're registered
00:48:47.780i'm on it you know grace uh you know in our last minute here together i just have to say that
00:48:56.440you've been so friendly and sweet your disposition is so sunny i'm starting to wonder if you have some
00:49:04.000kind of mischievous bot that runs your twitter account because these are two different people
00:49:09.120what's going on well okay wait but i've i've really toned it down remember i promised steve that i would be
00:49:16.980on my best behavior while he's away so i wouldn't get anybody in trouble you know the worst thing for
00:49:22.420him to find out is you know read an article and oh war room grace chong you know started yeah no so i
00:49:30.340promised him i would be good so if you think that is hit me up on twitter at gc22gc and i'm actually
00:49:39.840just giving a lot of information so i'll be back to my normal self when steve's back we're in posse
00:49:45.280holder to it uh and get out there and vote write your postcards thank you very much godspeed god
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