Bannon's War Room - December 12, 2024


WarRoom Battleground EP 670： Defending Our Northern Border


Episode Stats

Length

55 minutes

Words per Minute

185.9886

Word Count

10,306

Sentence Count

915

Misogynist Sentences

10

Hate Speech Sentences

39


Summary

Former FBI Director Christopher Wray announces his retirement from the agency. Andrew Yang and David Gergen discuss what this means for the future of the FBI and what it means for our nation. Also, Mike Lindell joins the show to discuss the latest in the Peter Navarre case.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 One of the things to look at here as well is that Kash Patel does have these relationships with a lot of these whistleblowers, as they describe themselves, these conservatives who have a lot of complaints about the FBI.
00:00:13.060 Now they call themselves the suspendables. And I've been talking with a lot of folks about what their views on Kash Patel is. And he has pretty close relationships with them.
00:00:23.200 In fact, he actually supported a number of them financially through his group, the Cash Foundation, when a lot of them were sort of pushed out of the Bureau.
00:00:32.520 And, you know, a couple of them, the inspector general discovered that, in fact, the Justice Department had sort of been using the suspension of their clearances process as a way to sort of push them out of the Bureau.
00:00:44.500 So there was some legitimacy to some of the claims that they were making about the way that the internal process had been used.
00:00:50.220 But, you know, what you essentially have now is a lot of people who want a lot of people in Kash Patel's circle who really do want to see a lot of a huge change to the Bureau, a huge change to the FBI.
00:01:02.200 And that is really, as David was highlighting, there is really worrying a lot of folks within the Bureau and what the future is going to hold for them.
00:01:08.980 Chris, Andrew, let's go back to today and the decision.
00:01:12.080 What's broken is that nobody has confidence that a fulfilled background check will happen by the FBI, which means a full investigation.
00:01:20.220 And no one has any confidence that the Senate Republicans will digest that information if he's viewed as a threat or unfit.
00:01:26.340 Act on it. That's what's broken.
00:01:28.200 And that's where we don't spend quite enough time pressing and exposing the failures.
00:01:34.820 You bring palpitations to my heart because that's exactly where I wanted to go with all of this.
00:01:41.040 And because when you when you take it in the fullest context of what Director Wray said today in his stepping down.
00:01:51.200 And I solidly applaud the idea and in his continual emphasis in use of the rule of law and principle and standing in the principle.
00:02:04.100 Those are words.
00:02:06.500 The problem we have had that nobody in Washington actually wants to do what the words require you to do.
00:02:14.120 Stand on principle.
00:02:15.380 That means standing firm in the face of the onslaught from MAGA and Trump.
00:02:20.500 That means flipping them the bird for once and telling them to kiss your ass.
00:02:25.480 That's that.
00:02:26.120 That means come at me, baby.
00:02:27.800 You ready?
00:02:28.300 Let's do this.
00:02:29.300 I'm the director of the FBI.
00:02:32.420 Right.
00:02:33.160 And you want to dance.
00:02:34.420 Let's dance.
00:02:35.540 I'm here.
00:02:36.300 You want me gone?
00:02:37.440 Fire me.
00:02:38.520 Because that's the principled position.
00:02:41.020 The unprincipled position is what Trump is doing and the way he's doing it.
00:02:47.980 And it just I don't know what the hell is wrong with folks in this town that they just all the bravado, all the sanctimony, all the crap that they spew out moment in private moments.
00:02:59.860 They cannot find a microphone and stand in front of it and tell Donald Trump to take a leap.
00:03:06.440 I don't care if you are coming in as the next president.
00:03:08.760 You are not going to do this.
00:03:11.400 I have a term.
00:03:13.260 I'm in office for 10 years.
00:03:14.660 I got three years left.
00:03:16.040 You want me to come at me.
00:03:17.880 Right.
00:03:18.340 That's that's what America also needs.
00:03:21.960 It's not this sort of placating.
00:03:24.640 Oh, you know, the economy is tough and and, you know, gas is more expensive and inflation.
00:03:30.880 Yes, those things are down.
00:03:32.720 You see the meltdown all over.
00:03:34.820 It is Wednesday, 11 December, year of our Lord, 2024.
00:03:38.080 Thank you for joining us for the second hour of the after late afternoon, early evening edition.
00:03:44.100 And, of course, our fourth hour of the day.
00:03:46.160 Mike Lindell joins us.
00:03:47.200 Mike, of all day, so glad and honored to have you on here today, particularly the day.
00:03:52.820 That Chris Ray of some folks, you know, most of us know, but some folks don't know that the FBI went out of their way to harass Mike Lindell.
00:04:01.360 And this is what they do.
00:04:02.740 Right.
00:04:03.040 Kind of what they would like Tina Peters.
00:04:05.920 They go to she's having a cup of coffee at, I don't know, Starbucks somewhere.
00:04:09.300 And these investigators come in and they handcuff her and hassle her in front of people.
00:04:13.580 And they're trying to humiliate you.
00:04:15.800 They shackled Peter Navarre, a 70 year old man who had already been assistant to the president.
00:04:20.100 Now, assistant to the president, I believe, is the same rank as a major general in the army.
00:04:25.520 They came and shackled Peter Navarre like a dog in Reagan National Airport and then took him down off thing on the tarmac.
00:04:31.780 And then even try to rough him up a little bit.
00:04:34.100 Right.
00:04:35.320 Because they're tough guys.
00:04:37.060 They're tough guys.
00:04:38.160 By the way, everybody who's on that Peter Navarre team, you're going to get looked at.
00:04:43.560 OK, everybody in the Mike Lindell.
00:04:45.200 Mike Lindell, would they try to humiliate you?
00:04:47.000 Did they not, sir, to come and get your phone?
00:04:48.680 Instead of Mike Lindell's got low.
00:04:50.420 Hell, Mike Lindell's got twenty five million dollars legal fees.
00:04:52.760 Mike Lindell's got lawyers all over the place.
00:04:54.420 Could they not call Mike Lindell's lawyers and say, hey, we'd like Mike Lindell to come in and turn in his his phones?
00:05:00.960 We like this.
00:05:01.540 They do this a lot.
00:05:02.820 And we've got a warrant or we got this paperwork and do it.
00:05:05.660 No, they what they did is they hunted Mike Lindell down.
00:05:08.220 They trailed him down.
00:05:09.520 And a public humiliation at, I don't know, Arby's or Wendy's.
00:05:13.320 He's going to get some lunch.
00:05:16.080 A Hardee's, a Hardee's.
00:05:18.100 You know, Mike Lindell, he of ultra processed food.
00:05:21.060 Um, and they try to humiliate you.
00:05:23.480 This is a scare tactic.
00:05:25.020 Here's the thing, guys.
00:05:27.280 McCabe is crying and whining on national TV.
00:05:29.740 He's going to leave the country.
00:05:31.400 Ray just quit.
00:05:32.800 You guys are nothing but a bunch of wimpy, gutless cowards.
00:05:35.440 You see Mike Lindell leave.
00:05:36.800 You see Steve Bannon leave.
00:05:38.180 You see Peter Navarro leave.
00:05:39.660 You see Donald Trump leave.
00:05:40.940 No, we spit right in your face because we detest you.
00:05:44.140 And we won.
00:05:45.320 And now you're going to pay the piper.
00:05:46.820 This is outrageous.
00:05:47.920 You are gutless cowards.
00:05:49.120 Mike Lindell.
00:05:49.700 Yeah, I want to comment to that.
00:05:51.840 So everybody, let me tell you other things they did.
00:05:54.480 In the state of Colorado, they ripped Sharona Bishop, came in her house, ripped her daughter
00:05:59.740 down the steps.
00:06:01.120 They bashed the door in.
00:06:03.700 They knocked on the door and then bashed it in as they're all having coffee in the morning
00:06:07.480 for breakfast.
00:06:08.480 Nobody got arrested.
00:06:09.540 They humiliated a gal, pulled another gal, 15-year-old, out in the yard in their underwear.
00:06:14.620 Now, when I pulled into a Hardee's in the, I believe it was September of 22, I pull into
00:06:21.820 this Hardee's coming back from a hunting trip.
00:06:23.860 They didn't just know I was going to be there.
00:06:26.320 They tracked me all the way down to Iowa and back up into this Hardee's.
00:06:30.260 We pull in there.
00:06:31.800 My buddy's sitting next to me.
00:06:33.400 And I said, a car pulls in front of me, crossways, one up beside me and one behind me.
00:06:38.940 Now, I get out of the car and I go, who are you?
00:06:41.080 I told my buddy, you just stay where you are.
00:06:42.320 This is bad.
00:06:43.020 I said, who are you and what do you want?
00:06:45.000 We're the FBI.
00:06:45.780 I said, I don't believe you.
00:06:46.760 Show me a badge.
00:06:47.460 Some guy showed me a badge.
00:06:48.840 Another one over here.
00:06:49.440 How about you?
00:06:49.940 You got a badge?
00:06:50.620 He goes, yeah.
00:06:51.640 I said, OK, maybe bad guys probably wouldn't carry two badges.
00:06:54.860 But let me tell you, if they'd have done this at night, Steve, I would have bashed through
00:06:58.920 them and took off to find a real cop.
00:07:01.040 No way to identify them, whatever.
00:07:02.940 Now they pull me over and they start in.
00:07:05.240 They go, yeah, we're not going to arrest you, Mike.
00:07:06.900 We're not going to arrest you.
00:07:08.460 And I go, well, I haven't done anything wrong.
00:07:10.840 But what are you doing?
00:07:11.760 They're asking me these questions.
00:07:13.340 Well, here, two of them were for Colorado and two of them were from Minnesota here.
00:07:17.980 And I finally put two of them together.
00:07:19.460 I go, you guys should be ashamed of yourself.
00:07:22.220 What are you out doing?
00:07:23.900 I said, you're taking my, they haven't even took my phone yet.
00:07:27.300 I said, what you did in Colorado, ripping this gal down the steps.
00:07:31.300 And I said, and then you knock on her, you bash their door.
00:07:34.960 And the guy goes, she didn't open her door fast enough.
00:07:37.960 I said, it was 38 seconds from what I hear.
00:07:41.080 What do you all have to have a little egg timers for the FBI?
00:07:43.780 Quick, open the door.
00:07:44.740 It's the FBI.
00:07:45.460 Run before they bash the door in.
00:07:47.400 Anyway, I start shooing these guys out.
00:07:49.760 Now they tried to do it for public harassment.
00:07:51.960 All the people were gathered in the parking lot.
00:07:54.440 Then it gets down to, they go, we're not going to arrest you.
00:07:57.460 And I go, well, I want to be arrested.
00:07:58.980 I wanted to.
00:07:59.500 I said, I want to go to, I want to go to the January 6th thing that they want to invite
00:08:03.020 me to, even though I wasn't there.
00:08:04.680 Mike, we're not those FBI guys.
00:08:06.660 So Steve, what happens then?
00:08:08.080 They go, well, we want to take your phone.
00:08:09.840 I go, you're not getting my phone.
00:08:11.500 I'm going to call my lawyer.
00:08:12.500 No, you can't call your lawyer.
00:08:13.920 I said, let me get this straight.
00:08:15.200 I can't call my lawyer, but you're going to take my phone, but you won't arrest me?
00:08:18.800 I said, that ain't happening.
00:08:20.260 So we went back and forth, finally get ahold of the lawyer.
00:08:22.800 He says, go ahead, give him the phone.
00:08:24.360 I'm like this.
00:08:25.000 So I give him the phone.
00:08:26.060 They told me not to tell anybody.
00:08:27.440 I got on my show and told the world.
00:08:29.220 But Steve, I stood in that parking lot.
00:08:31.400 This is what I'm getting at.
00:08:32.660 And I started giving them, I started witnessing to them, talking about my book.
00:08:38.020 The one guy had read my book.
00:08:39.200 I said, you know what?
00:08:40.220 I said, what you guys are doing, this is so morally wrong.
00:08:43.720 And the one guy goes, well, Mike, it's our job.
00:08:45.560 I go, you should be ashamed of yourself.
00:08:47.580 You're going against, you're attacking citizens of our country.
00:08:51.420 What has happened to the FBI?
00:08:52.980 You grew up, you guys were heroes.
00:08:54.200 Now, what are you doing?
00:08:55.020 Because somebody up above, up the ladder told you to do this and you think it's right?
00:09:00.440 What you're doing is wrong.
00:09:01.880 I'll never forget that.
00:09:02.940 And all of them, you could see they felt bad after an hour of me giving them speeches and
00:09:07.320 talking to them.
00:09:08.340 They said, Mike, we got to go.
00:09:09.380 And I go, you guys are the one that stopped me.
00:09:11.620 I said, the one guy goes, I've been doing this 30 years and never seen anything like it.
00:09:14.940 Where, you know, you're preaching to us and telling us what we've done wrong.
00:09:18.920 And you're right, Steve.
00:09:19.780 We didn't back down.
00:09:21.140 That guy, that guy, hopefully this is the biggest, you guys, we're in the biggest change in American
00:09:26.440 history from the FBI, from everything.
00:09:29.160 This is, I've said it before.
00:09:31.000 The 2020 election, actually the most important election in history, because what it did the
00:09:36.440 last four years, it exposed more and more corruption and more and more things.
00:09:40.900 And the onion would be an open, not just on the election platforms, but all across our
00:09:45.500 country.
00:09:46.020 And it's, I'll tell you, I think back to them, by the way, maybe I'll get my phone back.
00:09:51.240 People, I say, did you get your phone?
00:09:52.520 No, I sued.
00:09:53.740 I went all the way to the Supreme Court for that.
00:09:55.760 And the Supreme Court wouldn't even look at it.
00:09:58.620 And it came back here to Minnesota.
00:10:00.740 And they asked the government, the Eighth Circuit here, the three judges said, they asked the
00:10:06.160 FBI, they go, well, why do you need his phone?
00:10:09.620 Why couldn't you just take a copy?
00:10:11.460 And they gave some excuse.
00:10:12.760 And the guy goes, well, what about attorney-client privilege?
00:10:15.660 Well, we're looking through it.
00:10:17.040 And we're going to, you know, we'll decide what's what.
00:10:19.240 Well, that's like a jury.
00:10:20.620 Pretend you didn't hear that jury.
00:10:22.020 Steve, it's just, it was disgusting.
00:10:24.660 And what we're seeing, I'd love if you showed that meltdown there right before an MSNBC.
00:10:29.780 I mean, people are so, the FBI has become something.
00:10:35.020 And these guys that I talked to, you guys, they're good people.
00:10:38.220 I really believe those guys are there.
00:10:39.760 But they were following orders and they didn't have, they were like sheep following.
00:10:43.720 Okay, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.
00:10:47.020 You're pitching Herman Goering's defense in Nuremberg.
00:10:50.260 Doesn't work.
00:10:50.760 They're not good guys.
00:10:52.940 They're rational human beings and these orders were illegal and they followed them anyway
00:10:57.220 and harassed people.
00:10:58.260 At Danbury Prison, you've got the holiest people I ever met.
00:11:01.800 These people have no money.
00:11:03.600 They're basically paupers because they go around, they don't, they don't even work jobs.
00:11:07.080 They basically pray rosaries in front of, in front of abortion centers.
00:11:11.100 Okay, they have no money.
00:11:12.100 The humblest, nicest people, like, almost like monks.
00:11:15.700 The stories of the FBI going over jacked boots and trying to intimidate them.
00:11:19.400 You're all tough guys when you walk in, you're all jackbooted up, you got all your weapons,
00:11:23.800 you come in a group of 20.
00:11:24.760 You ain't so tough when you're singled out.
00:11:28.040 You see McCabe crying on TV, Comey whining on TV, Brennan worried on TV, Weissman that
00:11:34.820 Little Valley Girl voice on TV, and Chris Wray quitting.
00:11:39.220 You're quitters and you're losers.
00:11:41.940 Okay?
00:11:42.420 You don't stay.
00:11:44.180 And if you believed in it, if you believed in the FBI, if you believed in your mission,
00:11:47.700 if you believe you had done nothing wrong, if you believed in it, you would have served
00:11:51.140 out the three years.
00:11:52.440 You didn't.
00:11:53.680 Because you know you're culpable in all of this, and you're going to be investigated,
00:11:57.940 you're going to be found, investigated, and then, I don't know, maybe they adjudicate
00:12:01.920 it, maybe they take it to something before your jury appears.
00:12:05.200 I don't know.
00:12:05.620 That's all in the future.
00:12:06.880 It's not my shtick anyway, right?
00:12:08.280 There'll be somebody else's.
00:12:09.220 But I got to tell you, we were a small part of running you out.
00:12:13.280 That's right.
00:12:13.960 And dogging you out of here, and we get part of a scalp.
00:12:16.860 Mike Lindell.
00:12:17.400 And when I say the four that were with me in Mankato, Minnesota, I said they seemed,
00:12:23.240 and there was one gal, I think it was five of them, they were, I believe they were nice
00:12:27.500 people, but they were cowards.
00:12:29.140 They were cowards.
00:12:30.060 They were doing stuff that was wrong, and they knew it, and because they had very bad people
00:12:35.820 up above leading the FBI, and all the corruption and stuff that went with it.
00:12:41.040 So you're right.
00:12:42.020 They're not good.
00:12:43.420 Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, but they're cowards.
00:12:45.700 Hang on, hang on, hang on.
00:12:47.280 You drive me crazy.
00:12:48.800 You drive me crazy.
00:12:49.840 No, no, because Lindell, you're a nice guy.
00:12:53.460 Everybody knows.
00:12:54.100 You're a super nice man.
00:12:55.800 And President Trump is like this, too, and others that are kind-hearted.
00:12:59.960 But here's the thing.
00:13:01.760 The reason that they allowed, that they obeyed the orders is very simple.
00:13:05.940 And yes, there were bad people above them that gave the orders, but the reason they obeyed
00:13:09.500 the orders, ladies and gentlemen, is quite simple.
00:13:12.900 They never thought we'd come back.
00:13:15.140 They thought we were done.
00:13:16.400 And they thought by their executing it, hey, it's a bad order.
00:13:20.200 These guys may never be bad guys, but I'm never going to see them again.
00:13:23.360 You know, they crossed the system, and I'm just a grunde in the system.
00:13:29.060 And so the system says they have to go, and I'll never see them again, so there won't be
00:13:32.220 any penalty.
00:13:32.620 That is what is the core of the problem.
00:13:36.980 We came back.
00:13:38.580 You know why we came back?
00:13:39.940 We didn't flinch.
00:13:41.220 We didn't cry.
00:13:42.260 We didn't whimper.
00:13:43.180 We didn't run.
00:13:44.060 We didn't leave the country.
00:13:45.360 We stood, and we fought, and we were victorious.
00:13:48.280 Elections have consequences, and victories have consequences, and you're going to suffer the
00:13:54.540 consequences of our victory.
00:13:56.640 And I don't care if Rachel Maddow doesn't like it.
00:13:59.740 I don't care if Nicole Wallace doesn't like it, or the editors of the New York Times, and
00:14:03.040 particularly what I really don't care if Rupert Murdoch and his corrupt kids at the Wall
00:14:08.320 Street Journal and Fox News don't love it.
00:14:10.520 Okay?
00:14:11.040 We could care less what you like or what you love.
00:14:14.100 This was one of the greatest black marks in the history of our republic.
00:14:20.420 They tried to destroy people, destroy them, because they stood up for a stolen election,
00:14:26.000 which they knew was stolen.
00:14:27.560 And quite frankly, you see in Biden, he's not even president.
00:14:30.600 He outs himself every day.
00:14:31.940 He knows he's illegitimate.
00:14:33.440 He can't even show himself around Trump.
00:14:35.100 He's hiding up in Delaware or wimping around.
00:14:37.100 They're all sitting there going, we really wish Biden would act like president.
00:14:40.200 Trump is now the president, because he always was the president, because he won in 2020.
00:14:46.840 And every day and every action, and your reaction to that, like Ray quitting, like Brennan
00:14:53.160 whimpering, like Weissman crying, like McCabe wanting to leave the country, reinforces that.
00:14:59.460 Mike Lindell.
00:15:00.760 No, you're exactly right, Steve.
00:15:02.480 And they all knew it.
00:15:05.600 And I've said it before, you guys.
00:15:08.300 I wanted to give everybody hope in this country.
00:15:10.960 I've always called it the biggest cover-up of the biggest crime in the history of the world,
00:15:15.560 the 2020 election.
00:15:17.300 But one thing we've done is we broke through the biggest cover-up, because our voices never
00:15:22.060 quit.
00:15:22.740 You never quit, Warren Posse.
00:15:24.400 We never quit putting our—
00:15:26.240 Steve's show here.
00:15:27.720 Never quit putting out our voice, putting it out there, putting it out there.
00:15:31.280 Now you're seeing the victories of that, not just Donald Trump winning the election,
00:15:35.920 but all the stuff that's been exposed, because we never, ever stopped.
00:15:40.060 We kept talking and talking and talking about it, and all the stuff that's been revealed.
00:15:45.820 You're just talking about one FBI here.
00:15:49.120 There's so many things.
00:15:50.040 I got so many things that have been revealed out there, I can't even keep track of them
00:15:53.700 all.
00:15:54.460 But we needed all that for where we're going now, by the way.
00:15:57.560 Everyone says, well, Mike, what are you doing now?
00:15:59.500 We're out there.
00:16:00.340 We're going to get the most secure elections by 2022 you ever seen in history.
00:16:04.800 We're out working every single day all over the country, gathering what we gathered since
00:16:10.120 2020 and all the way up to this election to be able to say, hey, we want to be the gold
00:16:16.660 star of elections in the world.
00:16:18.520 We want to have the best elections you could ever have, because we never want to go through
00:16:23.640 what happened.
00:16:24.620 Where our country is going with artificial intelligence and all this other stuff, who
00:16:29.220 do you want leading your country?
00:16:30.600 People that we select or that we elected for the people or people that were selected by
00:16:35.200 evil?
00:16:37.520 Mike, so look, good on you.
00:16:41.340 Chris Ray's gone.
00:16:42.500 Cash Patel is going to be in there.
00:16:43.660 They're in full meltdown.
00:16:44.520 And Mike Lindell, I mean, all the money he spent on lawyers, they try to they try to
00:16:49.920 debank him.
00:16:50.640 They try to get all his credit lines gone.
00:16:52.320 All big box.
00:16:54.220 You have no it's like President Trump.
00:16:56.180 There's so much more that happened to President Trump.
00:16:57.920 And this is why he's a hero.
00:16:58.860 He didn't tell you all about it.
00:17:00.240 So much more happened to Trump than you'll ever know.
00:17:03.320 Mike Lindell.
00:17:03.940 I've seen this guy every day.
00:17:05.740 They and every different aspect, maybe one notch down from Trump, they try to destroy
00:17:09.500 him, his business, his employees.
00:17:11.560 All of it.
00:17:12.840 All of it.
00:17:14.000 Here's a guy.
00:17:15.100 There used to be a drug addict and a degenerate gambler and turn himself around, accepted
00:17:19.120 Jesus Christ and went from selling pillows at the back of a car at a flea market to build
00:17:23.800 one of the great companies in this country.
00:17:25.120 You know how they rewarded him?
00:17:26.660 You know what they thought?
00:17:27.780 These scumbags.
00:17:28.880 We're going to destroy him.
00:17:30.100 We're going to get rid of his employees.
00:17:31.460 We're going to shut the whole thing down.
00:17:32.660 Well, guess what?
00:17:33.780 It didn't work.
00:17:34.800 His company's back better than ever.
00:17:36.260 But what he suffered in the interim, and this is why I'm so proud of you, Mike Lindell
00:17:39.460 didn't come on here whimpering and crying about that.
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00:19:50.700 Yeah.
00:19:51.040 See you soon.
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00:19:52.360 Mike Lindell.
00:19:53.760 Look, the reason we all made it through here, the reason we all made it through here,
00:19:58.720 President Trump, Mike Lindell, Peter Navarro, all of us, me, was this audience.
00:20:05.100 Your prayers, your thoughts, and you're having our back.
00:20:08.620 And that's what won on 5 November.
00:20:12.440 And they still can't grasp it.
00:20:15.600 They can't grasp it.
00:20:16.780 And they don't know the fundamental changes are coming.
00:20:20.440 Am I correct?
00:20:21.140 Did I read this correctly?
00:20:22.420 President Trump.
00:20:23.020 This is President Trump playing four-dimension chess.
00:20:28.100 Did President Trump announce that President Trump has invited President Xi to the inauguration?
00:20:32.660 It is.
00:20:34.880 That brother's playing.
00:20:35.900 That is breaking news.
00:20:37.220 Now my head's blowing up.
00:20:39.140 He's playing.
00:20:40.240 Maybe now I was going to do the War Room.
00:20:44.460 We were going to do the morning show leading up to it and everything like that.
00:20:46.880 But, heck, maybe if they sit me next to Xi, of course, Xi would probably have me handcuffed.
00:20:51.860 I think I'm a wanted person.
00:20:55.020 I'm a person of interest in China.
00:20:57.200 This is President Trump playing five-dimension chess, is it not?
00:21:00.120 It is.
00:21:00.560 And also, breaking news, President Trump told the CEO of Lockheed Martin he will be canceling the $1 trillion F-35 contract when he takes office as well.
00:21:11.480 Oh, my Lord.
00:21:12.000 Oh, my Lord.
00:21:12.660 That's a bombshell.
00:21:14.800 This gets to the pivot.
00:21:16.660 The F-35 program, which is the most expensive weapons platform we've ever had, but highly effective in the tradition of jets and fighters,
00:21:26.680 I think this leads into the future of what drones are going to be.
00:21:30.900 It does.
00:21:31.660 And back to what you were saying, this is him playing 5D chess.
00:21:34.720 It's just not one avenue.
00:21:35.920 It's a five-dimension chess.
00:21:37.200 That's what I meant.
00:21:37.840 It's a five-dimension chess right now.
00:21:39.260 I'm playing four-dimension.
00:21:40.520 He's playing five.
00:21:41.740 But it's not just one avenue with President Trump.
00:21:45.460 He's going in all different avenues, and he's thinking outside of the box.
00:21:49.380 And that's what we expect from the President of the United States, not someone that has to be spoon-fed his smashed bananas and peas and carrots in the basement.
00:21:59.500 But that's what we expect, and he's thinking, you know, five steps ahead of everyone else.
00:22:06.280 Unbelievable.
00:22:06.940 Other big news is going to be breaking here, I think, momentarily.
00:22:10.040 I'm getting a little heads up.
00:22:11.340 I'm going to tease it.
00:22:13.020 We're going to wait for it.
00:22:14.600 I'm going to pivot after the break.
00:22:16.660 I think I've got two very special guests that are going to join me.
00:22:19.660 I've got to talk about the CCP.
00:22:20.880 There's so much going on with the CCP and what's happening right now and prepping.
00:22:24.860 I want to make sure everybody's up to speed on that.
00:22:27.900 The folks at Birch Gold.
00:22:30.220 So, folks, so we had some wins and big wins down in North Carolina, and I really want to thank the Warren Posse, particularly the Tar Heels.
00:22:39.140 And, look, this kind of hurts me as a Virginian.
00:22:42.360 People down in that part of the country understand that Virginia and North Carolina are very, very competitive.
00:22:47.480 And now I'm the first to admit I do own property down in a section of North Carolina.
00:22:52.840 It's very close to my heart.
00:22:53.760 My sister lives down there.
00:22:55.120 She loves it.
00:22:56.060 I know so many Virginians that have moved down there.
00:22:58.520 What's happened in western North Carolina, where your Uncle Chris used to live down there in Asheville, where Mark Meadows is from, it's just been horrible.
00:23:05.120 And my sister's been telling me nonstop that these people – and I just got reinforced with about folks going on there with Samaritan's Purse and having no – FEMA's not around.
00:23:14.960 They don't know if it's payback.
00:23:16.020 This vote in Carolina today, Mo, was so important.
00:23:19.260 And the war room posse stepped up 72 to 46, all Republicans.
00:23:23.020 Let me repeat, all Republicans, including the three or four they thought were on the bubble.
00:23:27.160 And that came from your calls and your reinforcement.
00:23:29.520 I heard it was a massive outpouring.
00:23:31.780 The vote just took place.
00:23:33.440 And this really kind of sorts things out before the Democrats continue to – they pass on the administration to a new Democrat.
00:23:42.340 And quite frankly, I still don't understand the math how everybody lost.
00:23:45.700 Some of the candidates down ticket were absolutely fabulous.
00:23:48.060 But you're going to get turbulence in a lot of turbulence.
00:23:52.380 We know this.
00:23:53.380 The NDA passed $900 billion.
00:23:56.560 I'm still not buying even to grasp what a great deal.
00:23:59.520 Other guys have pitched me.
00:24:01.080 I'm not buying the fact.
00:24:02.240 Once you lock that number in, that number's the number.
00:24:05.220 Elon and these guys are not going to have the opportunity to shift it around, I don't think, except on the margins because – and I fought this thing being approved.
00:24:13.240 Only 16 Republicans voted against it, including Burchett and including Marjorie Taylor Greene, Burleson, a lot of the folks.
00:24:20.340 A lot of folks you see in the war room, a lot, Chip Roy, Andy Biggs, others.
00:24:23.880 And, Mo, if you and Grace can put that up, I want everybody in the posse to see that right now online.
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00:24:46.660 Mo Bannon.
00:24:48.120 Well, I have the 16 Republicans that voted no.
00:24:50.600 You want to read them?
00:24:51.280 Biggs, Burchett, Burleson, Crane, Good of Virginia, Gosar, Greene of Georgia, Griffith, Hageman, Massey, Norman, Perry, Rosendale, Roy, Self, and Staub.
00:25:02.100 Pretty good list.
00:25:05.320 Pretty strong.
00:25:06.040 And there's some good names not on there.
00:25:08.700 I'm sure they have their own reasons for that.
00:25:13.960 But we have to stop this madness.
00:25:16.740 Look, Mo is a graduate of the United States Military Academy at West Point, 101st Airborne, served in Iraq.
00:25:23.100 I was a naval officer for eight years in Kling 4 on a destroyer, which is probably the best time of my life, the time I was directly contributing to the defense of my country.
00:25:33.460 We would both tell you, you can't continue on this madness.
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00:31:17.300 War Room Battleground with Stephen K. Bannon.
00:31:21.660 Okay, welcome back on a huge day full of wins.
00:31:24.920 Went into North Carolina, didn't quite win, kind of lost maybe in the NDA.
00:31:28.840 Big win over the FBI and so many more.
00:31:31.080 Show's packed today.
00:31:33.300 It's going to be even more packed tomorrow morning.
00:31:35.520 Honored to have on one of my favorite people, Cleo Pascal, the columnist for the Sunday Guardian.
00:31:39.900 You've got to remember the Sunday Guardian is actually center right to far right from India.
00:31:44.640 It's one of my favorite papers.
00:31:45.760 You have been on here before to warn us about the third island chain or whatever that we fought 80-some years ago in Terawa, in Peleliu, all throughout there to win these.
00:31:59.660 And now we're giving them up.
00:32:01.240 But you wanted to come over today.
00:32:02.880 You're on Capitol Hill to warn us that we've got a deeper problem in that.
00:32:05.920 And I just want to announce Xi, President Trump, I guess playing five-dimension chess, invited Xi to the inauguration.
00:32:15.820 What's the national security concern with the Chinese coming into the country without visas?
00:32:21.140 So you know where Guam is, obviously.
00:32:22.940 I spend a lot of time there.
00:32:23.820 Yeah, so just north of Guam is the Commonwealth of Northern Marianas, which is part of the United States of America.
00:32:28.620 That's Saipan and Tinian.
00:32:30.800 Tinian is where Northfield was.
00:32:33.120 That was the biggest airfield.
00:32:35.280 Well, that's where we launched from the atomic bomb.
00:32:37.900 That's where the Enola Gay took off from.
00:32:38.980 And the Saipan is where 10,000 Japanese threw themselves over the cliff instead of surrender to American troops, right?
00:32:47.680 Yes, and it was Mount Topachau.
00:32:49.540 It was one of the most horrific battles.
00:32:51.760 It was where the Marines came up against, for the first time, an enormous civilian population, the Chamorros, who lived there and dealt with it.
00:33:00.140 In fact, there's a beautiful Christmas story.
00:33:02.200 We're coming up to – they won 80 years ago this last summer.
00:33:06.560 And so they had the island.
00:33:07.860 They had Saipan on Christmas 1944.
00:33:11.000 And they had all of these Chamorro and Carolinian children who were in camps.
00:33:16.900 And the Seabees and the Marines brought them out of the camps.
00:33:21.280 They paired one CB to one child and made them Christmas presents and gave them a Christmas because the American military men were so missing their own kids.
00:33:31.440 And these kids were so displaced that they came together for this incredibly beautiful Saipan Christmas.
00:33:36.980 And that was part of the reason why that – the compassion of the American military men who were there was one of the reasons why the people of that location voted to join the United States of America.
00:33:49.080 And they are the newest part of the United States of America.
00:33:51.960 They became Americans in the 1970s.
00:33:54.440 It's a complicated 1980s.
00:33:55.820 And that is American territory with American citizens on it.
00:34:01.120 And Chinese citizens can arrive there without a visa.
00:34:05.680 They can just get off a plane, no background checks, no visas, nothing in CNMI.
00:34:13.720 Just Saipan and also – but also Guam?
00:34:17.400 So they're not supposed to leave CNMI.
00:34:19.660 Okay.
00:34:20.080 But by the hundreds –
00:34:21.380 They do.
00:34:21.860 They're illegally taking –
00:34:22.860 Because Guam is a big – it's a huge honeymoon place for the Japanese.
00:34:25.680 I mean, Guam's turned in – when I was there, it still had the World War II stuff.
00:34:28.880 Yeah.
00:34:29.200 But, man, it's a major resort place now.
00:34:32.520 It also happens to have a couple military bases or three.
00:34:35.420 A heck of a naval base there.
00:34:37.020 So they've been finding –
00:34:37.620 It's the only place we've really got deep water things so you can put ships in dry dock and work on them.
00:34:42.940 And they've been finding these Chinese wandering around the bases.
00:34:46.340 So we've been looking at the southern border and at the northern border, but this western border is wide open.
00:34:51.440 You're saying the western-Pacific border is wide open.
00:34:53.520 Wow.
00:34:54.460 Yeah.
00:34:54.820 So what do we need to – are you alerting people on Capitol Hill about this?
00:34:57.760 Why does this seem to get – given the sacrifice in blood it was for us to take it and understanding how strategic it is,
00:35:05.260 given what the Japanese did and the Chinese are just trying to replicate that in East Asia?
00:35:09.280 Why is that lesson lost on us, particularly over in the Pentagon with, like, the Marine Corps?
00:35:14.040 I mean, people should be up in arms about this, and they're not.
00:35:19.040 Yes.
00:35:19.440 I think what happened was that greatest generation that was in Congress and that created this relationship with CNMI and the other islands is no longer there.
00:35:27.560 So the institutional memory and the personal memory of the people who fought in that area,
00:35:31.480 people like Ben Gilman, who is head of HVAC, he fought in the Pacific.
00:35:35.680 He took off from those airfields.
00:35:36.980 He knows personally what that cost.
00:35:40.500 He never would have let this happen.
00:35:42.260 And this rule that allows the Chinese to arrive without a visa, that's Homeland.
00:35:46.520 Homeland could change it with the stroke of a pen.
00:35:48.420 Homeland security.
00:35:49.360 Yeah.
00:35:49.740 So Kristi Noem and Homan and these guys.
00:35:52.140 They could close that door overnight.
00:35:53.820 Over 30 members of Congress, all Republicans, wrote to Secretary Mayorkas and asked him to close that loophole.
00:36:02.520 And he refused?
00:36:03.280 He refused.
00:36:04.180 Yeah.
00:36:04.780 Did they have a reason or he just refused?
00:36:06.460 He said that in sort of 2008, 2009 period, the Chinese contributed a lot to the tourist economy of Saipan.
00:36:13.040 Please don't tell me that was the excuse.
00:36:15.120 That was the excuse.
00:36:15.640 And the other thing is that there is, you know, we mentioned they're rebuilding the fields on Tinian, on Northfield, right?
00:36:23.240 There's a Chinese-linked casino that just opened up on the dual-use harbor in Tinian.
00:36:29.000 This follows on another casino that they had on the main island of Saipan that was running more money through it than the casinos in Macau.
00:36:35.420 Now, the governor of CNMI, a very good man, he's testified before Congress and said, investigate me.
00:36:43.580 Send resident DA, send FBI, send Treasury, go through everything related to anything you want.
00:36:49.580 Clean us up.
00:36:50.640 Because he knows how vulnerable they are and he knows what the cost of getting it wrong was.
00:36:55.500 You know, we're heading to 80th anniversary of VJ Day, right?
00:36:58.980 Beat the Japanese August 15th, 1945.
00:37:02.600 We're going to be getting to an 80th anniversary where places like Saipan have been taken over by the Chinese 80 years later without even a fight.
00:37:10.320 It's unbelievable.
00:37:11.500 It's really shocking.
00:37:12.580 Explain the importance of also that island chain.
00:37:15.480 People should know it's Saipan is where they, Saipan and Tinian, but Saipan really is where LeMay and these guys built a base that allowed the firebombing of Tokyo and Japan.
00:37:26.960 We have lost, even before the atomic bomb, they were thinking three or four million invasion and a million casualties, even given the industrial, the bombing we did there that was even worse than industrial Germany.
00:37:39.780 So, what happened with the Battle of Saipan, as you mentioned, that was what Japan considered its inner defense line.
00:37:45.940 As soon as they lost Saipan, they knew Tokyo was in range of the B-29s.
00:37:50.240 So, that's why that was such a horrific battle with the thousands who threw themselves off the suicide cliffs, but also the bonsai charges like you hadn't seen before.
00:38:00.660 And the men that fought there, there have been some beautiful books written about it, but it's just horrific what happened.
00:38:08.780 And in the midst of all of that, I really want to reinforce this, the Marines took the time to make sure the locals were safe.
00:38:15.640 And there were Marines who spoke Japanese who would yell out to the people on the cliffs, don't jump, you're going to be okay.
00:38:21.860 I mean, there was a humanity to the brutality on the U.S. side, the necessary brutality that created a bond with the local people that has maintained for 80 years.
00:38:34.440 But now the Chinese money is flowing into such a degree and memories are starting to fade that we really need to look at it again and remind everybody why this is so important.
00:38:44.540 So, specifically, when you're at Capitol Hill talking to these folks or going to talk to Kristi Noem and to Homan, what is your specific ask?
00:38:53.000 What are you saying you think needs to be done to sort this thing out?
00:38:55.840 Chinese arriving in the United States need a visa.
00:38:59.700 Simple.
00:39:00.680 It's not complicated.
00:39:02.040 Why is there one part of the United States where they don't?
00:39:05.140 I mean, it doesn't make any sense.
00:39:06.880 The other thing that they're now the pro-PRC.
00:39:08.740 If they get to Saipan with no visa, can they catch a flight to Guam and then get a flight to Hawaii and there's still no visa?
00:39:14.540 There's still no visa all the way through?
00:39:16.400 Not legally.
00:39:17.120 Is it just for Saipan?
00:39:18.960 Just for Saipan.
00:39:19.780 However, the woman that ran the Bureau of Motor Vehicles in Saipan has been convicted of selling driver's licenses to Chinese.
00:39:26.620 I'm so shocked.
00:39:27.580 Yeah.
00:39:27.880 And they've been using the Postal Service because once you're there, it's domestic mail for distributing drugs.
00:39:33.420 The fentanyl and everything is one of the ways they come in.
00:39:35.220 I think it's mostly meth, but yeah, from there.
00:39:37.040 And they're setting up the casinos, this new casino, which is supposed to be kind of online proxy voting potentially.
00:39:45.320 So we don't know because you're in the U.S. financial system once you're in the U.S.
00:39:49.020 That island chain, given there's announcements today about all these fleets the Chinese are putting out there in the South China Sea.
00:39:56.360 Why is that island chain, given the precarious nature of Taiwan being 90 miles off the coast, we're going to have Grant in here in a moment to talk about it.
00:40:05.180 But given that, why has that just reinforced the fact of how valuable strategically this island chain is for us?
00:40:11.040 It's how the Japanese hit Pearl Harbor was they controlled those islands and the islands all the way across from 1914 to 1944.
00:40:20.920 At the end of the war, the U.S. said, these men who had fought there said, we don't want that to happen again.
00:40:26.360 We want the buffer to go all the way off to the other coast to where Guam is and where CNMI is, Saipan.
00:40:31.560 And so they made these arrangements.
00:40:33.840 First of all, CNMI became part of the U.S.
00:40:36.320 Guam was since the Spanish-American War.
00:40:38.400 And those three islands, countries across the middle, have a compact of free association with the U.S., which allows the U.S. strategic denial and to basically do what it wants there as if it were the homeland.
00:40:50.880 So this is the way of pushing Asian problems to stay in Asia.
00:40:57.740 Otherwise, they come right across the middle.
00:40:59.740 We've seen it before.
00:41:00.560 There was one case, one of the admirals said that a Chinese officer had said to him, why don't you take Hawaii east, we'll take Hawaii west, and we'll save you the trouble of being in the Pacific.
00:41:12.340 The way they do that is by getting the islands through political warfare.
00:41:16.160 The Sunday Guardian is a paper in India.
00:41:18.740 Why are the Indians so focused on your writing and particularly this area of the world?
00:41:23.360 So the Indians are the only ones that have killed PLA soldiers in battle recently, in 2020, and they lost 20 of their men.
00:41:32.120 And when they lost 20 of their men, the people within India who had been worried about China since the 62 war – this is worth noting.
00:41:39.440 People don't because the Cuban Missile Crisis was taken back at the same time.
00:41:42.500 And so as the Chinese will always use – if they're diverted, they're going to hit.
00:41:47.260 That's exactly right.
00:41:48.300 So in this war – the people forget the war in 62 was to get it on.
00:41:51.940 Yeah, and the Indians know that.
00:41:55.040 Their strategic community is really good.
00:41:56.600 They live next – they used to live next to the independent country of Tibet.
00:42:00.340 Now they live next to China, right?
00:42:02.420 And they don't like it.
00:42:03.620 It's changed the strategic dynamics.
00:42:05.780 Geography is history.
00:42:07.080 The Chinese changed the geography through invasion and conquering.
00:42:10.580 And they know that Mao said we're going to take the highlands and then go down through the five fingers, down through – yeah.
00:42:17.040 So they know it.
00:42:18.080 Are you writing a book?
00:42:19.020 Are you working on a book?
00:42:20.480 That's very kind.
00:42:21.940 No, this is fascinating stuff.
00:42:23.360 Every time I have you on, the people want to know more.
00:42:26.060 Where do they go to get your writing?
00:42:27.320 So what's the website and your social media, all that?
00:42:29.600 Oh, that's kind.
00:42:30.180 If you go to my Twitter feed, which is just my name, at Cleo Pascal, then I put –
00:42:36.140 Spell that for our – particularly the podcast audience is audio.
00:42:40.040 The visual, see, we'll have it up there.
00:42:41.840 How do you spell the last name?
00:42:42.640 And it's a confusing one.
00:42:43.740 So it's Cleo, C-L-E-O, P-A-S-K-A-L.
00:42:49.340 And that's it.
00:42:50.120 And, yeah, I put links to my stuff up there.
00:42:51.540 I'm a little shy.
00:42:53.120 I'm not good at that.
00:42:53.640 You can't be shy in the war room.
00:42:55.740 No shy.
00:42:57.400 Thank you for caring about this region.
00:42:59.580 Because I spent time over there as a young man.
00:43:02.000 We spent time in Guam, went by sight, all of it.
00:43:04.300 And I've read so much history of World War II across the family and all my uncles coming back that had been over there.
00:43:11.080 It's a fascinating place in the world.
00:43:12.240 And the people are so great.
00:43:13.200 It's so beautiful.
00:43:14.160 One thing that gets me is when you go to these places – mine was in the 70s.
00:43:19.200 But you go to these places 30 years afterwards.
00:43:21.480 Now it's been 80 years.
00:43:23.440 You see these beautiful tropical jungles.
00:43:25.380 It's so peaceful and so beautiful.
00:43:26.800 You just realize this was hell on earth.
00:43:28.360 I mean this was – the landings there were worse than Normandy, as bad as Normandy was.
00:43:34.760 I mean the war in the Pacific was savage, pure savagery.
00:43:39.120 Yes.
00:43:39.680 Because it had a racial component to it.
00:43:41.540 You had – with the old breed, the guy that wrote it was a professor at the University of Alabama and wrote it many years later.
00:43:50.220 And in his foreword, he said, there's nothing more savage than an 18-year-old American that's told to go kill.
00:43:58.360 And it was his experiences with the old breed, with the old Marine unit that was so famous throughout the Pacific.
00:44:07.120 And then they remember their younger siblings when they see the locals, right?
00:44:11.700 I mean that that element of what happened during that war I think needs to also be remembered, Normandy.
00:44:16.920 Oh, we have to.
00:44:17.760 Yeah.
00:44:18.120 Cleo, thank you so much.
00:44:19.140 We're going to get Grant in here.
00:44:20.060 Thank you so much.
00:44:20.900 Fantastic.
00:44:21.460 Okay.
00:44:22.460 President Trump, Grant, if we can get – you take the hot seat here.
00:44:25.700 We got the book up on the – can you text me over the book too?
00:44:31.740 I want to make sure I see the cover again.
00:44:33.340 I love this book.
00:44:34.120 I get multiple copies.
00:44:35.100 I give it all the time.
00:44:36.480 Grant, here you are right here.
00:44:37.940 Colonel.
00:44:39.220 Right here.
00:44:40.880 Thank you, sir.
00:44:41.740 We're live, so we just do this.
00:44:43.100 This is real producing.
00:44:45.140 Have a seat.
00:44:46.700 We have – President Trump – just get up to this microphone a little bit.
00:44:50.300 President Trump has invited Xi to the inauguration.
00:44:54.020 Your thoughts?
00:44:54.720 You're a strategic thinker.
00:44:55.800 Is he playing five-dimension chess or have we just thrown the board out?
00:45:00.680 Well, he has turned the tables.
00:45:03.720 Normally it would be an American going to China playing the supplicant.
00:45:08.020 And now he's giving Xi Jinping the opportunity to come to America and pay homage to us.
00:45:13.060 So you like it.
00:45:14.460 When Trump – in Notre Dame the other day, he looked like Charlemagne, right?
00:45:17.860 I mean it was absolutely stunning.
00:45:19.560 Is that – is this Trump's power move to say, hey, look, I'm here.
00:45:24.340 We're going to show you democracy in action.
00:45:25.900 I know you don't have this ceremony in Tiananmen Square, but we'll show it to you.
00:45:31.220 You think that's the move?
00:45:32.480 I think it is.
00:45:33.060 It's something nobody would have guessed.
00:45:35.020 No, I wouldn't.
00:45:36.860 It was – I know he's thinking of a lot of good ideas.
00:45:39.540 Tell me about your – why is your book – because your book's very scary.
00:45:44.140 Why is your book more relevant today on the 11th of December, a Wednesday here in 2024, than it was even when you wrote it?
00:45:52.220 Well, I think the Chinese attack has not let up.
00:45:56.380 And the topic of – the subject, of course, is when China attacks.
00:45:59.660 And my point is they've –
00:46:00.680 It's not if China attacks.
00:46:01.760 It's when China attacks.
00:46:02.920 Tell your thesis.
00:46:03.880 What do you mean when they attack?
00:46:05.040 Well, they've already attacked us.
00:46:06.480 To the Chinese way of looking at war, it's not like the way we look at it, where until the shooting starts, we can be friends.
00:46:13.040 We just have to talk enough.
00:46:14.560 The Chinese look at war as not always shooting.
00:46:18.680 In fact, the shooting part is the very last part.
00:46:20.740 So things like getting the – say the elites of your target country to do your bidding, getting the financial sector to invest in, to send all their money this way, having the economic class, the CEO class ship factories over to China.
00:46:37.900 And then we provide them with the wherewithal, the money, to actually build up their economy.
00:46:42.440 And they send drugs our way and kill 70,000 of us at least a year.
00:46:46.220 So they haven't fired a shot, and yet they have gotten us dependent on them.
00:46:50.820 They have weakened our economy, destroyed these neighborhoods where you used to have so-called working class.
00:46:56.900 And they're killing us by the tens of thousands a year, and we're not doing anything.
00:47:01.060 Is this conscious when you talk about the drugs, the fentanyl?
00:47:06.660 In their mind, is this the reverse opium war?
00:47:09.660 Oh, that's just the excuse.
00:47:11.780 That's all it is.
00:47:12.900 Oh, because the whites did it to us, the British did it to us, and the Americans are the running dogs of the British.
00:47:17.280 That they say we can do it to you?
00:47:19.440 That's basically it.
00:47:20.480 But their mindset is that this is the way the British East India Company and the British took us over.
00:47:24.940 This is the way that we can give a hammer blow to the Americans?
00:47:28.300 I think that is at best a justification.
00:47:31.020 More I think they see that we're not going to do anything, and it works.
00:47:34.140 What do you mean by that?
00:47:34.920 Well, there has been no downside punishment to the Chinese for having killed us.
00:47:41.400 It's getting up close to a million people in the last decade, and that's just the dead.
00:47:45.780 There's been no punishment.
00:47:47.320 We still invest in China.
00:47:51.200 That flow of foreign exchange for usable currency into China hasn't really let up.
00:47:57.920 There has been just continued engagement with the Chinese.
00:48:01.280 There's been no serious sanctions put on them, tariffs, yes, but nothing that's really slowed them down.
00:48:08.440 And certainly there's been nothing that personally hurts the Chinese communist leadership.
00:48:13.400 They're glad to let the mass of the Chinese people suffer.
00:48:17.640 But when it affects them personally, like seizing their overseas wealth, their bank accounts, their real estate,
00:48:23.800 and letting every Chinese person know that their leaders have actually moved so much of their own wealth out of China,
00:48:30.160 we don't do any of those things.
00:48:32.720 And there's been no personal cost to the Chinese leadership for doing this, and very little to China itself.
00:48:39.020 The Chinese military buildup continues.
00:48:41.560 Obviously, we're not hurting them enough.
00:48:43.980 And this is what they've done for killing us on an industrial scale.
00:48:49.680 And this has been, unfortunately, it's been a Republican and a Democrat achievement to let the Chinese get away with this.
00:48:56.320 If we don't step up now and really, through the force of will, start to change the direction of this,
00:49:05.600 how long do you think it is till we get into a more traditional kinetic war with these guys?
00:49:11.160 I think it could be any day.
00:49:13.360 Any day?
00:49:14.100 Any day.
00:49:14.660 I think some people say, oh, 2027, 2035.
00:49:17.740 Any day.
00:49:18.900 That's what I'm afraid so.
00:49:20.620 The Chinese military is at such a state where if they chose their time, chose their spot, they could probably beat us.
00:49:27.940 And if it's just Taiwan you're going after, they may think that they have the capability to do it.
00:49:32.560 What do you mean they could beat us?
00:49:33.420 You don't believe right now, if the balloon went up, that the Seventh Fleet could defend Taiwan?
00:49:39.940 I think they would try valiantly.
00:49:43.380 But if it was just a short fight, say, in the South China Sea, close to the Chinese mainland,
00:49:48.960 the Chinese can outnumber us ship-wise by at least 10 to 1.
00:49:54.400 And suppose you're a U.S. destroyer skipper in the South China Sea,
00:49:58.440 and you've got 20 anti-ship cruise missiles coming at you easily.
00:50:03.180 At supersonic speed, you've got 12 seconds to decide what to do.
00:50:06.980 So that's how outmanned we are.
00:50:09.320 As I said, if they choose their spots, that they could give us a very bloody nose.
00:50:15.400 And this is what has come of letting them just build up with unchallenged and really a condescension to it.
00:50:21.420 This idea that, well, the Chinese will never be our equals.
00:50:24.200 But if it's a global fight, we have—
00:50:25.480 Can't fight the ship.
00:50:26.660 Are you—you're in Japan still, or you're outside—you're only here for a few days?
00:50:30.520 That's right, John.
00:50:31.520 In Cleo, you're here for a few days.
00:50:33.020 I'm going to talk to these folks after the show and try to line up to maybe tomorrow and get you both on here together
00:50:38.120 and have maybe a deeper conversation.
00:50:41.160 Real quickly, is the United States—the people in the country psychologically ready to have a carrier battle group of 10,000 sailors
00:50:48.780 go to be sunk to the bottom of the sea?
00:50:50.900 No.
00:50:51.400 You remember a few years ago when a four-man Special Forces team got run down in Niger?
00:50:56.340 It was a national catastrophe.
00:50:58.580 10,000 is something we're not ready for.
00:51:00.720 Do you think there is a possibility that in this shooting war that you say may happen,
00:51:05.220 that a carrier battle group with those ships and 10,000 sailors could go to the—could end up at the bottom of the sea?
00:51:11.620 It could.
00:51:14.400 Colonel, thank you so much.
00:51:15.960 What's the title of the book?
00:51:17.240 And where do they go for your social media?
00:51:18.940 The title of the book is When China Attacks a Warning to America.
00:51:23.240 My Twitter is at Neusham Grant.
00:51:26.780 Colonel Grant.
00:51:27.440 It's Colonel Grant Neusham, U.S. Marine Corps.
00:51:30.520 United States Marine Corps.
00:51:31.480 Okay.
00:51:31.780 Thank you so much for being here, sir.
00:51:33.120 Honored.
00:51:33.620 Thanks for having me.
00:51:33.980 Honored.
00:51:34.240 We're going to try to set it up for you guys tomorrow.
00:51:36.280 Okay.
00:51:39.200 Tomorrow morning at 10 a.m. Eastern Standard Time, we're going to be back in the war.
00:51:43.040 We're going to have updates.
00:51:44.620 Some big news going to break overnight, I think, on the—regarding the transition.
00:51:49.660 A couple of other big names taking big roles in President Trump's second term.
00:51:54.320 Also, more updates on the confirmation process of cash and the other folks.
00:52:00.360 Okay.
00:52:00.640 So we'll update you on that, 10 a.m. tomorrow morning.
00:52:02.500 We'll see you then when you'll be back in the war room.
00:52:05.640 Thank you.
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