WarRoom Battleground EP 671： J6 Committee Members Seek Pardons
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On today's show, Alex Blumberg joins Betsy and Amanda to discuss the latest in the war in Ukraine, the proposed $50B aid package to Ukraine, and why we should all be worried about the future of the country.
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I agree with America putting the screw on, helping Ukraine as much as possible to force
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Putin into doing a deal. I do think it's a sensible strategy. I think he's on the run.
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We saw that from Syria. Quite extraordinary. The Russians didn't put up any kind of
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supportive fight for Assad. All they've done is give him a safe haven.
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I think it's traitorous, though, to try to give a foreign national Zelensky a better negotiating
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footing or seat at the table, not just against Putin, but also against the United States,
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too. And by the way, where are the audits? We haven't had any audits. So I'm all to talk about
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aid. But how do we actually know that any of this is actually going? Well, this 50 billion,
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as I understand it, like a lot of the other money is a loan, which will it's a loan, right? So
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I mean, do you have a problem? But they're already working behind the scenes to make happen.
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There's only one person. Yeah, I mean, I really think we should take a step back here. And I
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don't just mean it because the left is essentially defending violent, homeless people who are
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attacking and harassing Americans, trying to abduct children. But I mean, the fact that this
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slippery slope logic chain that you're hearing right now is why you saw two assassination attempts
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against President Donald J. Trump. In other words, if you think or you disagree with someone's
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politics, you are allowed to use outside the system change to try to effectuate whatever goals
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you may deem appropriate for this country. And by the way, this goes all the way to the top
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with Alvin Bragg and all the lawfare cases that you saw against President Trump, too,
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which, by the way, you want to talk about a waste of resources, how we need more police
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officers in the train. Well, maybe they shouldn't have spent tens of millions of dollars prosecuting
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President Donald J. Trump. And by the way, you want to talk about where New York City has
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had to spend all of its fund. It's on illegal immigration, right? And that goes back to this
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oppressor versus oppressed narrative, this idea that this country needs to perpetually defend
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and bail out criminal, in this case, criminal aliens, but criminals like Jordan Neely, who are
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harassing everyday working Americans, the same people that you probably think are being screwed
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over by health care CEOs, which I agree in that case. But I don't understand in your worldview how
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you can both want to support these progressive soft on crime policies that make the living experience,
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the lived experience, the working daily commutes of average Americans. They have to space
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homeless people, crazy homeless people who are trying to kill them because their tax dollars
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are being used to what house illegal immigrants and homes that are nicer than the very homes that
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they live in. And by the way, might I just add, I am so down to have a conversation about the
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health care system in this country. But I'm old enough to remember that what was it the entirety of
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the left, the Biden White House weaponized millions, if not hundreds of millions of dollars to
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censor the entire conservative movement, saying that we were absolutely crazy because we dared to
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question where COVID came from. We dared to question, well, health care and big pharma's
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profits on vaccines and mask mandates, the whole gamut. So I'm down to have that conversation.
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But you guys have spent years censoring us, trying to open that conversation.
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And when we try to put in a rapid changemaker, someone like RFA, these people melt down.
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You know what? I think it's a perfectly valid point, but we're not going to debate that now.
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Can I ask a mic drop? It's Thursday, 12 December, the year of our Lord.
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And 2024. Natalie, when is your, did you get that training at University of Chicago or someplace
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I hate watching myself. So thank you for subjecting me to have to watch that. Definitely that training
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was not received at the University of Chicago. That was received from one person and one person
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only. And that is you, Stephen K. Bannon. Hey, Slate said I was Gen Z Bannon. I think that's
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the nicest thing that's ever been said about me.
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Wow. That was, I got to tell you, Natalie, that was a full on beat down last night.
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Piers Morgan was a standing eight count. The rest of these guys don't even, from now on,
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the only thing I got to tell your agent is no more panels. It's got to be you, mano a mano.
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But talk to us about what they tried to, what, what did they try to, because your point was so
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well taken then. What, what, what was the whole, the whole big segment, you guys had a long segment
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on Piers. What, what was the point? What were they trying to get at?
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Well, we were talking about the assassination of the healthcare CEO and my two co-panelists,
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one who I think it was a matter of only three seconds before they invoked January 6th and the
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other, maybe it was five seconds before they invoked racism, basically said, and I quote,
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that they have no empathy for the murder of Brian Johnson because he's been, his company's been
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screwing over Americans. And like I said, I would never want to be on the front lines of defending
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the healthcare system in this country. There's way too much medical debt, but it fits into what you
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sort of got me, or you heard me talking about, right? The idea of the oppressor versus oppressed
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narrative, since he's the evil capitalist greedy CEO, therefore you're allowed to try to kill him
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because you don't agree with him much like the same logic train that you saw President Trump
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being what, an attempted assassination against him twice. So they said that they had no empathy
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for him, which I think is totally disgusting claim, but I just sort of broadened it out because like
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I said, those are the same people, the same media institutions that anytime we've tried to force
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discussions, actual substantive change about the healthcare system in this country, which is of
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course driven by maximizing the profits for companies like Pfizer and the healthcare system writ large,
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they've censored us. They've spent close to a trillion dollars trying to do that. So I raised
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that point. And I don't know if Piers Morgan will necessarily invite me back on to have that
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discussion or to pick up where we left off on the Ukraine conversation. But I think one thing's very
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clear. You can't give arms to a foreign country to try to give them a better negotiating stance against
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the United States. That's something called treason.
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Very well taken. We're going to get into your favorite topic today. The reason why Christopher
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Ray really resigned yesterday, capitulated. I want to start that by something Darren Beattie
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brought up in the last hour. Let's go back. I think we have it, Denver. Let's play Senator
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Amy Klobuchar and Christopher Ray from a while ago. Let's go and play that segment.
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If we would have known, if we could have infiltrated this group or found out what they were doing and
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that, do you, do you have those moments? Absolutely. I will tell you, Senator,
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and this is, this is something I feel passionately about, that anytime there's an attack,
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our standard at the FBI is we aim to bat a thousand,
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right? And we aim to thwart every attack that's out there. So anytime there's an attack,
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especially one that's this horrific, that strikes right at the heart of our system of government,
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right at the time the transfer of power is being discussed, you can be darn tootin' that we are
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focused very, very hard on how can we get better sources, better information, better analysis,
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so that we can make sure that something like what happened on January 6th never happens again.
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Okay. So there's been a lot of discussion about this Norfolk memo that arrived, as you noted,
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with key people in the Capitol Police and others the night before. They testified last week,
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the chief, that he didn't even know about it until the few days before our hearing.
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And in fact, while there may be some that downplays that intelligence, I will note while we don't have
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the memo publicly, that in that memo there were statements that Congress needs to hear the glass
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breaking, doors being kicked out, blood being spilled, we get our president or we die, go there
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ready for war. Some of the specific calls for violence that we know were posted at that time. We know that
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President Trump had called on people to go there on January 6th. We know that he told them to go
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wild. We know that in that memo there was discussions of, as reported in the news, perimeter maps,
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bringing back the wounded. And to me, it just seems like it's beyond aspirational in nature,
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that it seems like some of these reports that we now know exist out there were specific in terms
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of these plans that were going on. And I'm just one of my questions that we will continue to be
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asking as part of this investigation we're doing with the Rules Committee and Homeland Security is,
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how can we change this so this never happens again? So these types of threats and this type of
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So, this is the Darn Tootin segment with Chris Wright. Natalie, you've been at this a number of years,
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you know, with Raheem, with Darren Beattie, with Mike Benz, with the great Julie Kelly, Mike Davis.
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The team we got on this is killer. 88 pages after years, ma'am. 88 pages, a lot of filler,
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and just about DOJ and the FBI, not about anybody else, and dropped five weeks after the election.
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Your thoughts as you took your first cut through the IG report today, ma'am.
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I mean, it's a nice rough draft, I guess, for a creative writing class. That's how I would couch it.
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I think it's important, though, to sort of contextualize why they are so, so keen on narrative
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building, particularly when it comes to January 6. I've always likened it to basically China and the
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Chinese Communist Party in terms of the Hundred Flowers movement, right, where they sort of used
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it as an op where they invited criticism of the government. I think, frankly, you could extend
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it out to the MAGA movement more broadly, right? And they used it to basically identify some of the
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the most patriotic voices. Of course, I guess Chris Ray is certainly batting 1,000 when it comes to
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criminal prosecutions of MAGA, but even people like yourself, thought leaders, too. And I think
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what's so concerning about it is that this is basically the original sin, I think, the linchpin
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of so much of the sort of MAGA-specific weaponization that you saw unfold, right? It's the narrative kind of
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glue that holds together this whole idea that we have to reorient the entire priority structure of
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our intel agencies and intel communities to go after domestic terrorism as opposed to what radical
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Islamic terrorism, you know, choose your enemy or, you know, fight fighting forces in Ukraine.
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And I think that you also have to look to how confidential human sources have always been
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historically and empirically weaponized, right? You go back to Russiagate, Christopher Steele
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was a confidential human source as part of that whole, you know, dossier attempts to get President
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Trump. So they have always politicized confidential human sources. And in this case, I think you're
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seeing them do that again, evidently, but in sort of a different way. What do I mean by that?
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There is absolutely no way that there were only 26 confidential human sources involved in this
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entire January 6 operation. You mentioned your interview with Darren. He also invoked the name of
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someone, Steven Gantuono, who was the then assistant director of the Washington field office.
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Now, another, I think, interesting point on his whole side of the thing, the whole Massey exchange
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aside, is that he was called in for questioning to give a transcribed interview with House Republicans
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back in 2023. And I want to read a write up because his interview was so concerning to investigators
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within House GOP that they then wrote a letter to Merrick Garland, essentially saying that you guys,
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the FBI, had no idea how many confidential human sources there were. The letter goes on,
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D'Antuono explained that due to the large number of confidential human sources present at the Capitol,
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the Washington field office asked FBI headquarters to do a poll or put out something to people saying
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were any confidential human sources involved so the FBI could try to ascertain how many had been in
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attendance. They go on to give an example of how the Kansas City field office had sent people,
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despite headquarters and people higher up the food chain, didn't know. Now, there is no way,
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Steve, that you can tell me, now, just important fact, there's 56 field offices, that there were so
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many confidential human sources involved that the FBI was scrambling that it prompted House
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Republicans to send a letter to Merrick Garland that they were sending out polls and questionnaires.
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And you're telling me that just 26 people from the FBI, that's what, half of all their field
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offices sent people? I've heard from several sources, from people who come on this show,
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people like Darren Beattie, Julie Kelly, that every field office sent at least one person. So the
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number should at least be 56, right? And I think, too, you also have to look at this just from a
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statistical kind of metadata perspective. There was reporting that there were over 40
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confidential human sources reporting on the Biden family and their criminal enterprises.
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So if this 26 number is true, then I don't want to know what the heck the Biden family was up to,
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because that number would be absolutely unprecedented. And of course, you've already started to see the
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sort of limited hangout happen. There was a wonderful Washington Post op-ed today. Right-wing
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conspiracy theorists are having a bad day. That's an actual article that they published at 3.30 p.m.
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So you know they really had that one ready to go, trying to quash the whole Jan 6 feds erection
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narrative. But you have to pay very close attention to the analytical game that they're playing,
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right? The idea of FBI employees versus confidential human sources versus assets, blah, blah, blah.
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What I would like in this, too, you talk about pattern recognition. It is the broader pattern
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that we have seen occur with basically every conspiracy theory that this show has been on
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the forefront of. What do I mean? Take, for example, the first time that Anthony Fauci testified,
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right, that infamous exchange with Rand Paul. The goalpost at that point was that, well,
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gain-of-function research never occurred at the Wuhan lab. Then what was it, the second time he
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testified? It was, well, it did, but it was for good reason to prevent pandemics. This is the
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equivalent of the first time Anthony Fauci testified. It's a limited hangout that the media is already
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trying to spin to say that, well, there weren't employees. Okay, maybe there weren't,
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but there were confidential human sources, and you're not even getting the full picture.
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I want to hang on about this. Let's go ahead and play. I want to play. Let's play the Bill Clinton
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and the Benny Thompson. We play those back to back. With all this going on and all this firestorm,
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and now this, we've had a couple of quite odd occurrences in the media about participants in
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this looking for pardons. Let's go ahead and play it.
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Mr. President, Donald Trump will be returning to the White House, unburdened by the pressure of
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reelection, with sweeping immunity granted to him, I believe, by the Supreme Court, and an alleged enemies
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list we're hearing. Do you think it would be wise of President Biden to preemptively pardon any
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potential targets? What about your wife, Hillary Clinton? She apparently is on Kash Patel's list.
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first, she didn't do anything wrong. Of course.
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Second, she followed the rules exactly as they were written. Third, Trump's State Department. Trump's
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State Department found, remember how the emails were such a big issue in 2016? Trump's State Department
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found that Hillary sent and received exactly zero classified emails on her personal device.
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Mm-hmm. It was a whole, it was a made up phony story. Yeah.
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So, you know, I guess if Kash Patel is determined to make one up, he could do it. But I think
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if President Biden wanted to talk to me about that, I would talk to him about it. But I don't think I
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should be giving public advice on the pardon power. I think it's too, it's a very personal thing. But it is,
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most of us get out of this world ahead of where we'd get if all we got was simple justice. Yeah.
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And so it's normally a fool's errand to spend a lot of time trying to get even. Yeah, agreed.
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But if he pardons them, that sort of implies that they did something wrong, which they didn't.
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Congressman, apparently the White House is discussing preemptive pardons for people who
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may be targeted by Trump when he gets back in office. Do you want the president to offer some
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kind of pardon to you as strange as it is to ask that question? I'm just wondering what you think.
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Well, you know, the president is his prerogative. If he offers it to me or other members of the
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committee, I think it, I would accept it. But it's his choice. I think the staff of the committee,
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who did a wonderful job. I think the witnesses who were primarily Republicans did a great job
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under oath. They we were not found to have perjured themselves or anything like that.
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There's nothing in the record that's not already on point. We've had two years of review by Republican
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chairpersons. They found nothing wrong. So there's nothing that we kept out of the record.
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There's nothing that we took out of the record. So we stand by the work of the committee.
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Our committee did a wonderful job. We shared it with the public. And all the public has to do is to
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read the report that we found based on our report.
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OK, Natalie, you've had the Chris Ray capitulation. You've had yesterday and overnight and then this
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morning. All these questions about the blank. Now they're putting the question to them, the blanket
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preemptive pardons. And you've had the IG report come out. These guys always move in packs.
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What do you think they're trying to tell us here? Let me play. I tell you what, I got to play this.
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Benny Thompson. Benny Thompson was the chairman of the J6 committee. The chairman of the J6 committee
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flat out says right there, hey, you know, the president got to do what he's got to do. But if
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he offers it, I'm taken. Benny's all the way in. I think Benny knows more than just about anybody
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on this thing. Let's play it one more time for for Natalie to comment on. Congressman,
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apparently the White House is discussing preemptive pardons for people who may be targeted by Trump
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when he gets back in office. Do you want the president to offer some kind of pardon to you,
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as strange as it is to ask that question? I'm just wondering what you think.
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Well, you know, the president is his prerogative. If he offers it to me or other members of the
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committee, I think I would accept it. But it's his choice. I think the staff of the committee,
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who did a wonderful job, I think the witnesses, who were primarily Republicans, did a great job
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on the oath. We were not found to have perjured themselves or anything like that.
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There's nothing in the record that's not already on point. We've had two years of review.
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They didn't purge themselves. The witnesses did a great job. The staff did a great job. He's
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done that blanket for Benny Thompson is going to be pretty big. Is it not, Natalie?
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Well, Steve, I think you're going soft. Instead of saying, like, packs of feral dogs,
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you're just saying they're working in packs. These people are feral dogs indeed in the
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true form and style of Hunter Biden. This is actually another called shot from the war room.
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Bill Clinton was on. He did the long-form interview with Joe Scarborough. I'm sure you've seen they've
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been rolling it out these last few days on Morning Joe. And he spends, what, three,
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four minutes saying that, well, Hillary Clinton did nothing wrong with the State Department emails.
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It's so embarrassing. It's such despicable groveling, even for the Clintons.
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Though I am glad that Morning Joe allocated some time to highlight the wonderful work that
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the Clinton Global Initiative and that the Clinton Foundation has done. I think the people of Haiti
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would probably like a word with Joe Scarborough on that one. But all of that aside, look, Steve,
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what you're witnessing now, we've gone from, what, the triggered, you know, snowflakes needing their
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blankets and safe spaces to now, what, actual blanket preemptive pardons. It fits into what
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we're talking about with January 6th. It fits into the Anthony Fauci testimony that I was just talking
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about. There's always a pattern where they start with these limited hangouts, right? They say we're
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crazy for saying these people committed the crimes that they did indeed commit. Yes, Liz Cheney perjured
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herself. She helped arrange legal representation illegally. She should face disbarment for what
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she did with Cassidy Hutchinson. But we were mocked and ridiculed. We were, you know, tarred and feathered,
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right, for saying the things that we did on this show that now are being proven true, right? Our
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conspiracy theories are so good, they necessitate not just pardons, but blanket preemptive pardons. I
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don't even know if that's historically a precedent that's ever been set, but it shows you that we've been
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right all along, right? And it's just absolutely mind-blowing. Of course, the media is going to
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provide them, you know, cover for it. But I think, frankly, my takeaway from that Benny Thompson
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interview, even though he's saying, well, if, you know, Joe Biden were to give me one, all the
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qualifiers, you could tell in the language he's blinking a thousand times a minute, I would maybe
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accept one. These people are busy over there at the White House or wherever they're running this thing
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from, probably the basement. They're asking, they're begging for these pardons, right? The most innocent
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people in the world need the most copious amounts of pardon. It really is a level of gaslighting that
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I don't even think this country has seen. But I think Benny Thompson is probably, honestly,
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not even that high on our list. I know we can't say enemies list, so we won't use that word. But
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metaphorically, an enemies list, he's sort of a grundoon. I don't think he's really an ideological
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champion in any right, except maybe what the militant black extremism groups that he was involved
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with. But no, there's so many more people that I would be focusing on. And I think Bill Clinton's
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pardon will probably have to go back to the late 1990s, if you're picking up what I'm putting down
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there. But I don't think that they obviously deserve them. And hey, if they get them, then at least they
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can't plead the fifth. So I guess Congress will have some nice investigations.
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Natalie, I know you're putting up a lot of stuff on social media about the
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about the IG report. Where do people go to get you on social media, ma'am?
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Natalie G. Winters on all social media platforms. I will be lobbying for my own personal blanket
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Great, great turn over at over at Piers Morgan. Fantastic. I'm sure they're not gonna be inviting
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you back for a while, which is always a good sign.
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Not quite. Thank you. Next time she's gonna do it just with Piers. Mano a mano. Thank you, Natalie.
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Incredible. So today, up on Capitol Hill, also, New York Times started this morning with this,
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with this piece about the Warren Posse, how the Warren Posse came to get with Charlie Kirk's show,
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Poso, great, the great mad bull over at Breitbart. A lot of folks pulling together,
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putting the shoulder to the wheel, and making sure that Pete Hegseth last week was not run out of here.
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All, and I mean all, of these nominees for the cabinet positions should, and they should double-time
00:23:53.060
this to get ready, get these folks ready for confirmation. Traditionally, the national security
00:23:59.220
folks go first. They want to make sure there's a, a clean, uh, changeover. So by the time January 20th
00:24:04.820
comes, uh, whoever the president is, has his team in place. I strongly recommend that, uh, that, uh,
00:24:11.220
Treasury and, uh, and Bobby Kennedy, all of it, I think the big five or six or seven, though Christy
00:24:16.900
know him in there too, and cash ought to all be set to go on four or five January. Sit down and work
00:24:23.360
it out with Thune right now. Flood the zone on this. It's just not keeping the, the enemy media
00:24:29.700
on their back foot. I believe President Trump's going to really need to hit the, the deck plates
00:24:34.320
running. Go back and look at the, the, the war of the debt and the invasion. The war of the debt
00:24:39.700
and the invasion. All of these are having, uh, not just storm clouds. There are massive things
00:24:45.620
happening right now. I, I believe you, you could potentially have a very bad extension, or I don't
00:24:55.160
know what you want to call it, a, um, further developments that are not positive in the Israeli
00:25:01.000
Persian war. Persia having, uh, having had a bad run with their proxies, particularly the proxy
00:25:08.000
Hezbollah. It was really taking away Hezbollah's big military punch in Southern Lebanon. It was kind
00:25:14.700
of the, the beginning of the dominoes that fell the, had the Turks let loose their clients. And
00:25:22.700
that would be the Muslim brotherhood Hamas and the Muslim brotherhood ISIS forces that came down
00:25:28.940
the Damascus road, the road to Damascus and took it. Now Syria is an absolute master. United States
00:25:35.120
got to stay out of that. President Trump calls it sand in chaos, sand in death. So the third world
00:25:41.660
world part of this, the kinetic part of this is getting worse and worse day by day. I happen to think
00:25:48.440
if you look at what's going on, this situation around, I don't know, this potential nuclear weapon,
00:25:55.500
particular nuclear device, whatever the Biden regime has allowed, John Kerry and the Biden regime,
00:26:01.460
blinking all of it. Obama, this, this madness they did about the nuclear weapon. Who knows?
00:26:11.200
I don't think the Israel is just the Israelis, given that they're pounding in Syria, just going to sit
00:26:16.280
back and, you know, if the Persians want to try to race to some nuclear weapon, I don't think they're
00:26:21.960
going to allow that to happen. What does that mean? That means a continuing madness as Syria now
00:26:30.640
collapses into chaos. President Trump called this. And now all the pressure, him put something that
00:26:35.920
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00:26:58.240
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This is one of the reasons I want you to go to Birch Gold. This is one of the reasons that we're
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slash Bannon. The new installment will be out shortly, just doing some tidying up on graphics
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and things like that. Modern monetary theory, the idea that broke the world.
00:31:57.580
We're not doing this, as I said, to make you the smartest person at the Christmas party,
00:32:01.980
although you may come off as that. We're doing this personally so you can think about how it impacts
00:32:08.080
your own life and your family's life, and you can go over and talk to the folks at Birch Gold about
00:32:12.360
gold as a hedge, but also the debt ceiling comes off on January 3rd. Only the war room posse has this
00:32:20.280
kind of information because you're a cadre that's at the ramparts. In January, even before
00:32:28.260
the inauguration, immediately upon the swearing in of the new Congress, boom, we're coming back
00:32:36.460
on the nomination here. Now listen, on these nominations, I want to make sure everybody understands
00:32:42.580
this. The reason television, political television is kind of so immature is that so much of it depends
00:32:55.120
upon the horse race. They love the horse race because it's relatively easy to report. It's kind
00:33:02.200
of personalities and things are happening, you get process stories, and this guy's up, this guy's down.
00:33:06.460
This inner circle said this, this said that. Whereas it doesn't look at the underlying forces
00:33:11.840
driving things. So the horse race is what they want to do. You cut it on all the time. Who's
00:33:17.940
going to be pressed? Who's going to do this? Never any hard work, any hard work for themselves,
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and more importantly, hard work for your own self. Because we're not going to change this
00:33:30.460
unless the people have enough knowledge, right, and information that in the American people's common
00:33:40.280
senses they weigh and measure it, then the sovereign will goes in a certain direction.
00:33:46.160
So that's why we're adding this latest installment, Modern Monetary Theory. You don't have to have a PhD
00:33:54.760
in economics. We try to make this accessible to talk about the madness and where's the madness
00:34:01.100
personified? Two things today. Let's connect two dots. The Zero Hedge article that just went through the
00:34:07.920
first two months, the fiscal year, October, November, and said, Shazam, there's 624 billion dollar
00:34:16.200
deficit in two months. That means, let me get my calculator, let me gazintas, this gazintas,
00:34:23.160
that many times, this gazintas, that many times, this gazintas. Oh, Steve might be right. It might be
00:34:28.620
another trillion dollars in a hundred days. It's not sustainable, people. It's not sustainable.
00:34:35.620
Yeah, you can keep cranking out fiat currency. You can keep cranking it out. They keep printing it.
00:34:41.380
They'll keep printing it over Federal Reserve as long as you want to keep this long con going. They'll
00:34:45.240
print it. They'll print it. The do bill is coming, and the elites and the wealthy in this country aren't
00:34:55.180
going to step up to the plate for their responsibility, just like they didn't step up
00:34:58.880
to the plate in 2008. If they really were an elite and deserved the special privileges that go for
00:35:08.500
that, that go with that, they would have stepped up in 2008 and said, you know what? Collectively,
00:35:13.260
we screwed up. We've got to rethink this. We will take responsibility. We will take a haircut.
00:35:18.600
We won't get bailed out. We'll make sure the little guy's taken care of.
00:35:21.820
We will take responsibility, and we will take accountability. Did that happen?
00:35:32.040
No, it did not, and that led, folks. That's the railhead of the populist movement, and you know
00:35:41.120
why I knew that? Because in history, it's always been. You have a financial collapse like that. You're
00:35:45.240
always going to have a reaction of a populist movement because guess what? Throughout history,
00:35:49.480
I'm going to give you some pattern recognition. The little guy always gets screwed, and eventually,
00:35:54.740
the little guy sits there and goes, hey, you know what? I'm looking around. There's a lot of little
00:35:58.960
guys, and a lot of little guys are getting screwed. Why don't we bind together, and maybe they'll hear us,
00:36:06.540
and often, that doesn't turn out so well. I'll throw out a random example. The French Revolution.
00:36:18.080
So let's avoid that, and that's that kind of seething anger that's right below the surface,
00:36:24.180
and it's seething. This is what led to, and there's still this confusion of the guy heroes,
00:36:29.140
the guy terrible. What's not the American way is to lay in wait, lie in wait for somebody, jump out,
00:36:37.760
at point-blank range, shoot him in the back, and kill him. Graveyard dead right there. Boom.
00:36:45.940
That seething anger, I'm not justifying the act at all. I'm just telling you, there's seething anger
00:36:52.320
underneath us. Like, there's seething anger on the economics, and the lived experience is just real.
00:36:58.980
American people can't quite articulate what the problem is, but they know it is a problem.
00:37:04.740
This is why Obama was a candidate of hope and change. Didn't happen. Right track, wrong track.
00:37:09.880
At the end of his term, in the summer of 16, when Donald Trump was running, I kept pointing that
00:37:14.280
number. Two-thirds went there. Two-thirds thought the country was, wait for it, on the wrong track after
00:37:19.800
eight years of Obama. Why? The solution for the bailout of 2008 was a neoliberal, neocon solution,
00:37:27.980
because Obama was kind of over his head. He ran as an anti-war populist, and the primary took the
00:37:33.200
Clintons on. Those are the lessons I took to apply to the Trump campaign. When, you know, hey, he beat
00:37:38.520
him. I think we can beat him, too. But he didn't govern like that because he was handed a crash by Bush
00:37:46.760
and Geithner and Bernanke and all the neoliberals on Wall Street, all the guys on Wall Street.
00:37:52.740
That's what you got to do. You got to bail out the system. You have to bail out the elites.
00:37:55.880
The system must survive. This is why today, in 2024, we're the anti-systems players, and
00:38:02.520
we're winning. We're ascendant, and they're all sitting there on the embassy. You see what
00:38:05.380
happened. We thought it was going to be abortion. We thought it was democracies on the ballot.
00:38:09.540
Your version of democracy was on the ballot, and you got a democracy suppository.
00:38:13.940
Naomi, and one of the things I can't articulate is, hey, I think something's wrong with this
00:38:20.980
whole biopharmaceutical, the insurance too high. I don't understand what's going on.
00:38:25.640
Now, I think you're getting to the point. Tell me it was one of the war room posse under
00:38:30.280
Amy Kelly, the great work you did on the Pfizer documents. There's a letter laying out a bunch
00:38:35.360
of evidence, facts they sent to my good buddy, Chris Kobach, the attorney general of the great
00:38:42.000
state of Kansas. Can you walk us through this? Because I think this one might be a tad explosive,
00:38:48.320
It should be. So we've updated the war room posse about the fact that Pfizer, from their
00:38:57.960
internal documents, delayed reporting the deaths of eight subjects, people who died with COVID who
00:39:06.260
were vaccinated. And they delayed reporting it in spite of their own protocols that said they had
00:39:11.700
to report deaths immediately so that they could misinform the FDA in order to get the emergency use
00:39:20.040
authorization that allowed the rollout of the vaccine that we all know about. So what this letter
00:39:27.580
does, written by Dr. Gianti Kunadasan, one of our very distinguished volunteers and anesthetist and
00:39:35.420
perioperative physician, she drilled down very deeply, like forensic journalism, you know,
00:39:44.000
matched with medical knowledge, into one of the reports of one of these deaths. And it's very
00:39:51.480
disturbing. So she's alleging that the FDA, I'm sorry, that Pfizer failed to disclose to the FDA
00:39:58.600
the death of a Kansas participant. The death reportedly occurred 41 days after this woman received her second
00:40:06.640
vaccine dose. And that the failure to report this was at a critical juncture at which the EUA,
00:40:15.180
the emergency use authorization would either be given or not given. And that what's very,
00:40:23.020
very disturbing is the way Gianti Kunadasan drills into this poor woman's horrible mistreatment
00:40:31.020
leading to her, I would say, murder. You know, I'm not a lawyer, but it sure looks like murder to me,
00:40:36.300
her death by Pfizer. So she's a 63-year-old Kansas woman. And she was a participant in this trial
00:40:43.660
at a research site in Newton, Kansas. Now, this woman was not healthy to start out with. She was
00:40:50.360
very frail to start out with. And anyone could tell if they were looking with the eyes of medicine
00:40:56.980
instead of treating her like a lab rat. Her preexisting conditions included hypertension,
00:41:02.860
that's high blood pressure, and depression. But Pfizer decided that she met the trial's inclusion
00:41:08.700
criteria. And she got the first dose and the second dose. And she passed away on October 19th,
00:41:15.320
2020. So she was mildly overweight. She had a body mass index of 27. She was postmenopausal,
00:41:22.700
depression, hypertension, osteoporosis, rheumatoid arthritis, sleep apnea, multiple medications she
00:41:29.720
was on before getting the injections. Her medications including trazodone,
00:41:35.040
certiline for depression, pregabalin, and baclofen for degenerative disc disease,
00:41:42.480
as well as amplodipine and hydralazine for hypertension. So a bucket of serious, severe
00:41:50.880
medications that she was on for her multiple health conditions. She completed the screening process.
00:41:57.600
They said, sure, come on in, be our guinea pig, and received her first dose on the 18th of August,
00:42:03.880
2020. And the second on the 8th of September. And then she came for one month follow-up after dose
00:42:10.160
two on the 7th of October. And then she died 41 days after receiving the second dose on the 19th of
00:42:18.260
October. And that was 12 days after her planned follow-up visit. So the emergency contact told the
00:42:25.380
clinical site of Pfizer, right, about the death, the death of this woman. In other words,
00:42:31.020
the emergency contact was so disturbed by the, you know, apparent cause effect of the woman gets
00:42:37.580
her second dose, then passes away, that the emergency contact reported it to Pfizer. And then
00:42:44.660
our researchers allege to A.G. Kobach that there was a 37-day delay in Pfizer officially documenting her
00:42:54.060
death. And this, again, violated Pfizer's own protocols. And her death and autopsy findings,
00:43:01.140
not only that, were not disclosed during the Vaccine and Related Biological Products Advisory
00:43:07.060
Committee meeting on December 10th, 2020. The important meeting, critical meeting at which
00:43:13.180
the FDA evaluated Pfizer's data for emergency use authorization approval. In other words,
00:43:19.880
the woman's dead, she's been autopsied. There was so much alarm about her death that her emergency
00:43:26.120
contact told Pfizer, you know, Pfizer withheld the information from the FDA at the meeting at which
00:43:32.820
Pfizer's looking at the documents to assess things like, do we give an emergency use authorization? Will
00:43:38.560
this kill people, right? So what it does to withhold her death, as well as the other seven deaths,
00:43:47.900
is, as I've shared with you all before, it allowed Pfizer falsely to claim to the FDA and to the world
00:43:55.620
that you're better off with the vaccine than without. If they had correctly totaled those deaths and included
00:44:02.600
them appropriately, they'd have had to tell the FDA and the world that you're more likely to die and be
00:44:08.600
hospitalized with the injection than without. But essentially, they hid this woman's death in a horrible,
00:44:17.860
way, along with seven other people. And here, I wish that you could see there's a chart like these
00:44:23.820
Mengele type charts. Sorry, there we go. And what you probably can't see very clearly there is,
00:44:30.700
did Pfizer have knowledge of the death? Yes, yes, yes, yes, all the way down. Yes, yes, yes, yes.
00:44:38.360
Pfizer had knowledge of those deaths and didn't report them. And so this has now gone to the Kansas
00:44:47.420
Attorney General. It's a Kansas woman who was killed by Pfizer in Kansas. And Pfizer essentially
00:44:53.520
hid her body from the government, you know, not just. Let me, let me, let me, let me, let me ask about
00:45:01.100
this. And correct me if I'm wrong. As you describe this woman with all the different medication things
00:45:09.260
she's taken, the vaccine, and look, I'm not vaxxed, you're not vaxxed, and we went through this, but
00:45:14.420
for people with comorbidities, and it sounded like this woman was mark one, mod zero of comorbidities,
00:45:23.800
even you would say that this, the vaccine, even in its experimental stage, knowing what we knew at the
00:45:32.460
time she should take, correct? No normal human should take it. No child should take it. But there
00:45:39.820
were people obese, elderly, uh, and a woman like this that I'm not trying to denigrate her, but she
00:45:47.460
seems like a medical train wreck. And a lot of it, I'm sure it's not even her fault, just things she
00:45:51.900
was born with, but wasn't, isn't this vaccine kind of made for those people? Um, I I'm not smiling
00:46:00.640
because it's funny, I'm smiling at your Socratic method, because you must know that my answer is
00:46:05.700
going to be, you know, at this point, categorically not. And the reason categorically not is they're
00:46:11.760
supposed to be doing science, right? And, and science means you correctly add up the numbers.
00:46:18.080
So at that point, they knew that it was more likely to hurt her than help her. And, um, okay,
00:46:25.940
now you can't trip up. You can't trip up. You can't trip up Naomi. She's got that good Yale
00:46:31.620
college logic. She and Besant, you and Besant, were you and Besant the same year or is he much
00:46:37.880
older or were you close to Besant? Gosh, I don't know. I don't know him personally. I'm not aware
00:46:43.200
that we've ever met. I don't know what year he graduated. I think he graduated near your year.
00:46:48.580
I think, um, go back to the, hit the rewind button right there. You're saying it's fraudulent from
00:46:55.000
the beginning. The, the experiment was fraudulent. They should have called it off immediately or
00:46:59.720
close to it. What, what the evidence shows you is that they knew this was a beta test or whatever
00:47:05.280
you want to call it. And it was, the test was not going well. They knew that early on and they
00:47:10.240
should have called this thing off and alerted the public. Is that, is that your stand Naomi?
00:47:15.020
Well, I can't, I can't say that about this particular case because this was still in the run-up to the
00:47:23.020
emergency use authorization. But the, the, the reason that you reveal the data correctly to the FDA
00:47:32.400
in applying for an emergency use authorization is so that the FDA can make the very, very serious,
00:47:39.160
very rare, um, exception to normal trials for medical products. Right. Um, I mean,
00:47:48.260
usually a vaccine goes through 10 to 15 years of testing to make sure that it's safe and effective.
00:47:53.860
The emergency use authorization is basically a, you know, kind of all bets are off. Hail Mary pass.
00:48:00.100
Fine, fine, fine. You know, we've looked at the data you've got to date and it, and, and there's
00:48:05.160
enough to reassure us that it's worth the risk of, you know, untold side effects we don't know about
00:48:11.740
because it's an emergency, right? That's the reason for this exemption to the normal process.
00:48:17.860
But what you have to understand is they withheld the killing of this woman, um, from the FDA at the
00:48:25.960
point at which the FDA is trying to figure out, is it safe for everyone else? So I can't, you know,
00:48:32.520
she knew that she was volunteering for an experimental. Are you, hang on, are you asserting, are you
00:48:37.360
asserting, are you asserting that she just died in the process of taking this vaccine? Are you
00:48:41.800
asserting that the vaccine, you think there's evidence to show the vaccine killed her and you
00:48:46.460
want Kobach, the attorney general to investigate that, or is it just that she died from all this
00:48:52.120
other stuff while she was taking the vaccine? It sure looks, I mean, so just a note, it's, um,
00:48:59.800
who's, who wrote the letter to, uh, the attorney general. I think she was right to do so,
00:49:06.100
you know, a woman died of horrible medical mal, maltreatment and her death wasn't properly
00:49:14.000
disclosed, wasn't lawfully disclosed in the state of Kansas. Um, to me, it looks like the vaccine
00:49:21.000
killed her. Uh, but what's more important is her emergency contact, which usually means in these
00:49:25.820
records, her doctor was so concerned about the fact that she died shortly after getting the second
00:49:32.120
shot. I mean, she was, she was frail, but, um, there's nothing that indicates that she would
00:49:39.280
have died of high blood pressure. She would have died of depression, you know, or the other conditions
00:49:44.580
she had, um, you know, at that moment. So I guess what the reason I'm kind of answering this way is
00:49:51.300
we can't see her autopsy report. They didn't submit the autopsy report. They didn't enclose it in time,
00:49:57.560
right? To, for the FDA to review it. So it certainly looked to her doctor like the vaccine
00:50:04.220
killed her. But the point is that's supposed to be assessed by the FDA before rolling it out for
00:50:10.820
everyone else. And remember, they just, they decided that it didn't work to stop COVID. So no,
00:50:16.340
she wouldn't have been better off in any universe taking this injection. Naomi, where do people go
00:50:22.100
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