WarRoom Battleground EP 681： Trump's Picks Are Key To the Sovereignty Of The Nation
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Stephen K. Bannon and EJ. van Zuiden discuss the impact of President Trump's press conference in which he answered questions from the press. They also discuss a new piece by Jason Trenert on Peter Navarro's new book, The War Room: The Economics of MAGA.
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The whole perception of the whole world is different. People from other countries have
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called me. They said, thank you. Thank you. The perception of the whole world is different.
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We're going to have to settle some big problems that are going on right now. We're going to have
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to settle up with Russia, Ukraine. That's a disaster. I look at numbers every week,
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the number of people being killed in that war. People don't know, mostly soldiers now.
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But the towns have been obliterated. This was a Biden fiasco that he got,
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as he could. That should have never happened. If we had a real president, if we had a president
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that knew what he was doing, Russia would have never, ever gone in. But they did go in and we
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have a mess. The cities are all blown up. The people have largely left and the soldiers are
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killing each other at levels that haven't been seen since the Second World War. So we'll have
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to get that one straightened out, too. That's a tough one. Much tougher than it would have been
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before it started. I can tell you that the deal could have been made just by an average dealmaker.
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This is what you're fighting for. I mean, every day you're out there.
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If you continue to look the other way and shut up, then the oppressors,
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the authoritarians get total control and total power.
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Because this is just like in Arizona. This is just like in Georgia. It's another element
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that backs them into a quarter and shows their lies and misrepresentations.
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This is why this audience is going to have to get engaged. As we've told you, this is the fight.
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All this nonsense, all this spin, they can't handle the truth.
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War Room Battleground. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
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Okay, welcome to the fourth hour here in our late afternoon, early evening show,
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the second hour, Tuesday, 7th, January, Year of the Lord, 2025.
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Of course, today, a blockbuster press conference Q&A with President Trump.
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So much going on there. We covered a lot of that in the last hour.
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This hour, we're going to be going from India to Switzerland.
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Captain Fennell is going to join us. Got a very special guest in India.
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Captain Fennell from Switzerland and then Ben Harnwell in Rome to talk about the geopolitics
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of maybe some topics that weren't covered in the press conference today,
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but I think are actually of a higher order of magnitude for right now.
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But I want to start in kind of the seminal article.
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This was in Saturday, the weekend Financial Times of London, as you know.
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On the show, we go through the Financial Times and The Economist pretty thoroughly
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on a daily basis with the Financial Times and weekly with The Economist
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because they are the publications of the global elites.
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And since we're a rising, ascended, populist, nationalist movement in the United States
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and, quite frankly, throughout the world in different countries,
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The Financial Times in the last, I don't know, 10 years since we started coming onto the scene
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has gone out of the way to put down and to dismiss the MAGA movement
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and particularly the economics in back of populist, nationalist political movement.
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E.J. and Tony joins us because one of the senior editors at the Financial Times of London
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And Jillian is also an expert on currencies and capital markets
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and one of the most important people over there on the staff.
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And also, I think she's the head person at King's College at Cambridge.
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Did a really huge, I think it was an 8,000-word piece on Dr. Peter Navarro,
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the war room, breaking down the economics of what we're proposing for MAGA-nomics
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and particularly for President Trump's second term.
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And I want every person in our audience to read this.
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We're making it available so you don't have to subscribe to the FT.
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I know many of you do because of the detailed nature of it.
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But E.J., she did a very good job of kind of breaking out Peter Navarro's career,
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how it's been tied to these policies, his involvement with President Trump,
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clearly this issue with the China, as we call the main thing,
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and the focus on China, but it was much more than that.
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It really got into a detailed conversation about trade.
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And as E.J., as you and I talk about all the time,
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if you take 100 economists, 95% of them don't really know anything about trade or tariffs.
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and tariffs have never really been an area where a lot of academic people
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coming with PhDs out of academia really focus on.
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But we get down to the nuts and bolts of really trade policy, tariffs, the economics of it.
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First off, give us your overview of this kind of seminal piece in the Financial Times, sir.
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Well, Steve, I was a bit critical of it from the standpoint of, you know,
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they talk about the beggar-thy-neighbor economics of the 1930s,
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where countries engaged in all kinds of tariffs and non-tariff barriers
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to try to have additional protectionism for their domestic industries.
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And they engaged in competitive devaluation of currencies, again,
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in order to try to boost their domestic industries, at least in terms of export markets.
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But the thing that really irked me was the fact that they accused Donald Trump and Peter Navarro
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of engaging in the same kind of beggar-thy-neighbor economics
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without acknowledging the context here, which is that people like Trump and people like Navarro
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are fighting back in a world where all of America's enemies and allies, supposed allies,
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are already engaging in exactly those kinds of economic policies.
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In other words, they are making themselves rich at America's expense.
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And for some reason, we're supposed to just sit back and take it.
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And instead, what Trump and Navarro realize is the reality of the situation, which is this.
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All of these other countries are already engaging in some kind of—some kind or another
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of economic warfare against the United States, some of which is very overt, some of which is more covert.
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But whatever the case may be, they're all in one way, shape, or form taking advantage of the United States.
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If you're going to do this to us, we will do it to you.
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And because we have more leverage in this situation, because the American consumer
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has more purchasing power than your people do, we are going to win this fight.
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So you can either give up now or give up eventually after a whole heck of a lot more pain.
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It also goes to the original sin of this entire mess, which was the Clintons in the 90s predicated
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upon Bush 41 going over after Tiananmen Square and essentially letting the Chinese Communist Party
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survive because it would have been put down by its own people.
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But this whole fiasco of most favored nation and particularly allowing them into the WTO
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was the original sin that's really allowed American capital to ship all the high-value-added
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Steve, that is the perfect, I think, illustration of this entire argument here.
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It's the fact that we, the United States, at a time when the rest of the world was throwing
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up these tariffs and non-tariff barriers to hurt our domestic industries, to gut our manufacturing
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sector, to turn the steel belt into the rust belt.
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While the rest of the world was doing that, our leaders here at home, instead of calling
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it out, said, let's have free trade, meaning let's drop all of our own barriers so that
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foreign exporters can flood our markets with their products, with their services, impoverishing
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But we'll make the voters happy because, at least in the short run, we'll provide them
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And that's what happened, especially with, as you pointed out, the Clintons, was it the
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And several other trade deals, which, again, they looked like a good deal on paper from the
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standpoint of we were reducing our tariffs and our non-tariff barriers, but we didn't get
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the same kind of cooperation from other nations abroad.
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And again, this is where people like Trump and Navarro realize that we have to operate in
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the real world here, not some kind of academic fantasy.
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You mentioned, Steve, earlier the fact that this is not an area where a lot of academics
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That's because the only training most econ PhDs get, I think, when it comes to trade economics,
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is simply this fiction of free trade and that we just assume free trade and we assume it's
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always good in all circumstances and that we should never worry about what other nations
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No, we do need to be concerned because that is one of the things that has helped gut our
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domestic industry, that has helped kill manufacturing here in the United States.
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The regulatory state is way out of hand here in America.
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That has certainly contributed to the decline of manufacturing.
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But we have to acknowledge, and again, Trump and Navarro have done so, that other nations
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are taking advantage of the United States when it comes to trade, and it is long past time
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Your social media, your Twitter account is on fire, particularly the breakdown of all
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And as I tell people, we've got to be able to access Jason Trenert and E.J. as long as
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Peter Navarro, Senior Counselor for Trade and Manufacturing in the West Wing.
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And I know it's tough today to break time away to join us.
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I want to bring in one of the top geopolitical strategists in the world, Professor Madhav
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Das Nalapot, a vice chair of the Manipal Advanced Research Group at Manipal University.
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He's a renowned and revered geopolitical thinker.
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Professor, today, President Trump gave a quite, how do I say this, lit, impromptu press conference
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where he was talking about Panama, Greenland, et cetera, and Ukraine.
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The center of gravity, you know, Captain James Fennell is going to join us from Switzerland,
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one of our top geopolitical thinkers in the United States.
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And we continue, have always focused on the Chinese Communist Party and keeping the main
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thing, the competition between the West and the Chinese Communist Party.
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India is absolutely a central key, and Modi is, I think, our most important ally in the
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As you see everything going on with President Trump now coming in for a second term, you
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You see in the Red Sea, we just released, Biden's administration just released, I think, 20 Yemenis
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terrorists from Gitmo back to the regional Mon.
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When you look at your top two or three things that you're focused on geopolitically, where
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is the center of gravity of this, of the end of the first quarter of the 21st century?
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Look, the fact of the matter is, Steve, I was just off a show on grooming gangs in the
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Oh, these gangs will turn violent if we take police action against them.
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What are the police supposed to do except put down gangs?
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And if you can't control violence of the gangs, well, then resign from the police force.
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Political correctness has taken the place of correctness.
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You know, to be right is normally better than being wrong.
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But to be right is now considered to be some kind of pejorative.
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Because we're talking in terms of beggar thy neighbor.
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You know, we have an old fable in India, thousands of years old, about a demoness who can turn
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herself to look like an enchantress and then beguile people.
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And the minute they fall into her trap, she goes back to being a demoness and slays them.
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And frankly, Bill Clinton did more for China than any Chinese leader has in the CCP.
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But the Chinese didn't need any concession to go against Russia.
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They were against Russia from the very beginning.
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But, of course, unfortunately, a lot of concessions were given, especially by Clinton.
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You go on the Internet, you can see the algo warriors fighting.
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Look at the difference between TikTok and Daoyin.
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TikTok is meant to produce misfits, social misfits, like these grooming gangs.
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They produce traumatized young women, underage women, child victims often.
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And the rest of their life, they become a drain on society and to themselves.
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This is exactly what's happening to the world today.
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And that's why, thank God, that President Trump is back.
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I wrote a piece some weeks ago in the Sunday Guardian front page.
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Trump, Modi, Ishiwa, and Yoon are basically the four big targets of what I call the Sino-Wahhabi.
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The two are almost indistinguishable in terms of their tactics, although they claim to differ in ideology.
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And that's why, you know, I was very heartened by the cabinet picks of Trump.
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I did share a view with some friends in America that it's going to be a very uphill battle if he were to try and get Gates sworn in.
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And possibly he'll lose a lot of capital that he may need for his other picks.
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And sorry for doing a little bit of self-publicity.
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I'm only saying that if you remember, the Wahhabis and the Khomeinists call Israel the little Satan and America the big Satan.
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Well, if Putin is the little Satan, she is the big Satan.
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And by focusing on the little Satan, what's happening is people like Biden, people like, you know, I mean, so many other leaders in the world, they are basically allowing the big Satan to escape.
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And that big Satan is becoming bigger and bigger.
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I, again, you know, I knew that I was, I had a feeling he was going to win this time around.
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But this time around, I couldn't say it openly that Trump is going to win.
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If you look at my writings, I'll say he has an edge.
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Biden has done him a favor by sending him to jail.
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I couldn't say outright, because if I did that, I'd be tarred and feathered.
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I could say that in 20, end of 2015, beginning of 2016 about Trump.
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You know, before this election, I couldn't say that, before being tarred and feathered.
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Because he says that North, South Korea is heavily under influence of Pyongyang, and more importantly, China.
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It's honeycombed with Chinese stooges, honeycombed with them.
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He should have gone before Korean people the way Trump does, be outspoken, be transparent,
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should tell the world the danger instead of imposing martial law and, you know, annoying a lot of normal people,
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but also giving an opportunity to the Sino-Wahhabi lobby to hit back.
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The same publication that attacked Trump are attacking Modi.
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Because this man is the first backward caste prime minister of India.
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You know, pardon me for bringing in this horrible construction called caste,
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in which you're supposed to be born into a particular category, and then that's it.
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You spend the rest of your life in that, and you can't do anything about it.
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Everyone is born equal, and then through work and effort and merit,
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you achieve higher and higher stages and higher and higher, you know, forms of your existence.
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But the fact is, he's the first backward caste prime minister.
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And look at the blowback against him, as though he's part of the elite.
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He spent years of his life wandering around the country with nothing, literally nothing,
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except a small bag in his hand and money given by people.
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At every stop he would go, he would take food, he would take money, and that's it.
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If nobody gave him money, nobody gave him food, he would sleep in some school yard or something
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I always say that you have a lot of people in America who are British, who are European,
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who are not American, who have been American-born, all their lives had only an American passport.
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It's mind space that can be terror space or fight the terror space.
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And in mind space, I can tell you that the fact of the matter is that these elites, as you call them,
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Because these people know the Sino-Bahabi lobby.
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And then they bring up some past thing, like, for example, Ukraine war.
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All that Tulsi Gabbard said was that Ukraine is going to be in danger of losing the war
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And, you know, the reason why they're so scared of Tulsi Gabbard coming in a high position
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is that they're afraid it will blow the nonsense that Trump is a racist.
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And he appoints Tulsi Gabbard to some of the most, one of the most sensitive positions in the U.S. administration.
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Ishiba, again, Yoon, North Korea, who a chap doesn't know, I mean, you know,
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Ishiba, again, a stolid, steady man who understands the danger from China.
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These are the four leaders being targeted, I can tell you.
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And today I was talking about grooming gangs in the U.K.
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He's done something good for women all over the world.
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Because for God's sake, the argument used by the U.K. government of conservatives and labor,
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If we take action against them, the police will be hurt.
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But what on earth are the police for, if not to take action against them?
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If you can't take action against them, shame on you.
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My point is, Steve, it couldn't have come sooner.
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The second inauguration, I'm counting the days till then.
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I'll tell you, this lobby is going to work very hard to try and get all the remaining candidates
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The first Trump term is filled with establishment people.
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My fear is two or three Republican senators or two or three Republican, you know, representatives
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who are enthralled to sign a Wahhabi lobby, perhaps without knowing it.
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And I can tell you, these picks are the picks that we need to ensure that those in the world
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who understand the real world can fix the real world before it's too late for all of us.
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Professor, we've got to bounce, but I've got a couple of minutes.
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I've got to ask you this question, particularly as guidance.
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Modi has faced this about the CCP head-on, particularly about apps.
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What should we look at for Modi as guidance in this second term in the confrontation with
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If you neglect a virus, it becomes worse and worse.
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Better ensure it is taken care of in the very beginning.
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We have shed PLA blood, and we have shed quite a lot of it.
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It's actually about 60, according to our satellite data.
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We know the world can escape a war only if the CCP is afraid of starting a war.
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The last century, Steve, unfortunately, the monster at that point in time was not afraid
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This time around, this monster has got to face an alliance system.
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For example, the Quad as a security alliance, an interlocking of security among the major
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And one thing about India, we have inexhaustible reserves of manpower, whether it is in terms
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of soldiers, whether it's in terms of technical or whatever it is.
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And the Chinese are afraid of us because they have a demographic problem.
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Even if you are living in a dirt poor world, if you're the top dog in that world, that's
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This is something that Donald Trump realizes, his national security team realizes.
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Of course, the problem with Gates was it would have taken too much of political capital out
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If these cabinet picks of business security field get through, I can tell you, Steve, then
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Professor, where do people go to get your column in the Sunday Guardian?
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Where do they go to get your writing on social media and your website?
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It's handled by friends of mine who are in social media.
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I don't touch social media, Steve, unfortunately, but it's handled by friends of mine.
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And I think, you know, as far as my books and other things are concerned, I have both enemies
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And you'll find a lot of dirt about me and a lot of good things about me.
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It's a free society in America, still in India.
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If you believe the good things, some of the good things at least, well, bless you.
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Thank you for the words of guidance for President Trump and the support of President Trump,
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Bless the American people, bless President Trump, bless the whole world, bless Prime
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Minister Moody, and bless the world's most populous democracy, India.
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And thank you for having me on your tremendous show.
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We're going to take a short commercial break in a moment, and we're going to return.
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I'm going to get the thinking of Captain James Fennell, Captain Jim Fennell, Naval Intelligence
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Officer, one of the bravest individuals I've ever met, gave up his entire career to stand up to the Chinese Communist Party.
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And quite frankly, the nature of our elites, both military, political, economic, to look the other way when it comes to the Chinese Communist Party.
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President Trump shows you he's coming out with both barrels.
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He's not going to be denied this time with kind of playing patty cake with the administrator of Deep State.
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But we want to focus on the main thing, which is the threat of the Chinese Communist Party, not just on the Eurasian landmass, throughout the Middle East, Africa, Latin America, now in the Western Hemisphere.
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And as President Trump said, and he focused, the Panama Canal as a tool for the Chinese Communist Party to thwart the United States of America.
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Are you going to ask the Canadians to hold a vote?
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I can't assure you you're talking about Panama and Greenland.
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Now it might it might be that you'll have to do something.
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Look, the Panama Canal is vital to our country.
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Giving the Panama Canal is why Jimmy Carter lost the election, in my opinion.
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But if you remember, and nobody wants to talk about the Panama Canal because, you know, it's inappropriate, I guess.
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But because it's a bad part of of the Carter legacy.
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I knew him a little bit and he was a very fine person.
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Giving the Panama Canal to Panama was a very big mistake.
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It cost us the equivalent of a trillion dollars, maybe more than probably the most expensive.
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They say it was the most expensive structure, if we call it a structure, which I guess you can, ever built.
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And I believe that's why Jimmy Carter lost the election, even more so than the hostages.
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Captain, for now, I couldn't think of a better person to have on here following our guest from India,
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Professor Das Nalapot, and also what President Trump said today.
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Your naval intelligence officer gave up your career to warn the United States, the people of the United States,
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that the Chinese Communist Party was not just rising.
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The Chinese Communist Party was a malevolent actor on the world stage.
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He actually said, I will not rule out military, economic, and or political diplomatic pressure
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when it comes to when he's talking about the Panama Canal or Greenland.
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President, your strategist, is President Trump off his rocker right here?
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The mainstream media is going absolutely bonkers on this.
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Well, Steve, thanks for having me on, and always nice to follow Dr. Nalapot.
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I would say that President Trump is actually the frame of reference called the Overton Window.
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For the last 30 to 40 years, we've allowed the left, the socialists, the Marxists in our country
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to define our national security interests in their framework.
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And so President Trump is correctly saying, no, I don't accept that framework,
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And so he's correctly assessing that our national interests are defined by these issues of the Panama Canal and Greenland.
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And I'll just remind folks that, you know, what Jimmy Carter did in giving away the Panama Canal
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wasn't just giving away a canal and allowing the Panama government to have control over the canal.
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And I have colleagues and friends of mine that served in the region at the time and shortly after the time.
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And it's the equivalent—oh, Jimmy Carter, what he did was the equivalent of saying,
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we're going to shut down European command in Germany, and we're going to pull out all American forces and troops in Europe
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Or in Central Command, we're just going to pull everything out at one time without any discussion,
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without any consultation, we're going to pull everything out.
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We're going to pull all of our troops out of Korea and Japan and move them back to California,
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and we're not going to have any presence in the Western Pacific.
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He didn't just pull—or just turn over the canal to the Panamanian government.
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That was a military command structure with military presence from the U.S. armed forces.
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It was there to provide stability to that region, and he pulled it all out on the threat of some kind of mythological guerrilla warfare
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It was a lie then, and he gave away our national security interests.
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So in essence, we've watched over the Biden administration, you know, millions of people come into our country
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through a porous border, but that was—the conditions for that were established by Jimmy Carter and his presidency.
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He gave away our national security capacity in Panama back in that time,
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and now we're reaping the benefits or the disastrous benefits of that today,
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and we're seeing the effects in the deaths in America from crime, fentanyl, et cetera, et cetera.
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You were head of naval intelligence for the Pacific Command, the entire Pacific.
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Do you agree, given your former professional position,
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that the absolute control of the Panamanian Canal has actually shifted to the Chinese and the Chinese Communist Party?
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Well, first, Steve, I was the Pacific Fleet Director of Intelligence, not Pacific Command,
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But I do assess that what's happened over this time period is that the Chinese Communist Party
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and their state-owned enterprises, Hudgens and Mwampoa, both ends, the Atlantic and the Pacific side of the Panama Canal,
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and as we're seeing reports continually, but just most recently from guys like combat reporter Michael Yon,
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he's down there in the Panama Canal, and he's watching the Chinese put up bridges and other things
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to be able to, at their whim, be able to block the Panama Canal if they so choose.
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I live in Switzerland right now, and I live in an area where the Nazis were able—
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the Swiss government was concerned that the Nazis would come in from Eastern Switzerland,
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and the Swiss devised a plan to blow up the Rhine River on the eastern end here before Lake Constance
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to be able to prevent the Nazi military from being able to come in and take all of Switzerland.
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Well, that's exactly what the PRC has been able to do and has the capacity to do with the Panama Canal.
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And if we think that what we saw in this last year with the evergreen blockage of the Suez Canal
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and this current disruption of the Suez Canal with the Houthis and the rebels
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and their attacks on the USS Harry Truman strike group and attacks against our naval vessels in the Red Sea,
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if we think that's bad for the global economy and our national security,
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we'll wait until they shut down the Panama Canal.
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And then ask yourself, what has China done and worked out with other agents in the Strait of Malacca?
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So there's other key areas in what we call strategic choke points that China's well aware of.
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And we have been asleep at the switch for 40 years as we've allowed China to be able to move into these positions
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to threaten the global trade that keeps America's economy running.
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Professor Malapat is one of the leading geopolitical strategists in India.
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And we know someone that the Modi team reads his writings at the Sunday Guardian and listens to him.
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He just came on here and said, you really can't be too hard in your confrontation with the CCP.
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That if you don't stand up to him now, this is we're going to really segue into something that's much more closer to a kinetic conflict.
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I've been warning about this for over 20 years.
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The Chinese Communist Party is intending to destroy the United States of America.
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And we have been filled with both Republican and Democrat administrations up until Trump's first term
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with politicians that want to appease China, want to make some kind of a deal, want to think that they can appease them and engage with them and talk with them and things will get better.
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But that shows a fundamental misunderstanding of Chinese Communist Party ideology and their intention to destroy us.
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And so my co-author and I, Dr. Bratt there, we've been writing repeatedly in weekly columns and in our book, Embracing Communist China, America's Greatest Strategic Failure, that we cannot engage or appease the Chinese Communist Party.
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It is really down to the basic confrontation that Ronald Reagan defined about the Soviet Union.
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It is either we win and they lose or the other way.
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It's a binary decision that people will, some people will define that as, oh, it's a neocon.
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I have always been warning about the threat from the Chinese Communist Party and their intentions for us.
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They want to destroy freedom and liberty and individualism for the collective.
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And they are coming after us and we cannot be soft on them.
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We have to stand up to them and we have to confront them.
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And I am so much, very much looking for 20 January.
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Captain, where do people go to get you your writings, any access to you, sir?
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I don't do social media, so I don't have any other things you can follow.
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But my co-author and I, as I mentioned, we do write a weekly column for American Greatness.
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And we put them up, I put them up and get her as soon as they come out.
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Captain Fennell, thank you very much for the long fight that you had and the fight we got as a comrade in arms going forward.
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You know, we talked about when the show shifted from war room impeachment to war room pandemic in January 20th.
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The first thing we started talking about was supply chains and certain things you wouldn't be able to get in the United States.
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Dr. Sean Rowland, very early on, watched our show, listened to what we were saying, actually took action on it.
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Now that President Trump is talking about the Panama Canal, you just had Professor Nalapod on his saying, from India's perspective, they've already shed blood.
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They're in a very aggressive stance, forward-leaning, and they want the United States to join them to combat the Chinese Communist Party.
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Is really the shutdown of the supply chains to cut off really basic medicines to the United States, is that a real threat?
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Or is that another, they're going to say, this is banning in the paranoia that comes from the fever swamps of the far right, sir?
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You know, we did experience within Jace, like the rest of the company, or excuse me, the rest of the country, immediately following the election, this kind of sigh of relief.
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We actually saw it reflected on visitors to the site.
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I think people were just kind of like, okay, all right, we're going to be okay.
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And while certainly that, it's what you've been talking about all day, all these changes, Trump just had this presser talking about all the things that need to happen and that we're all excited to happen.
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With that, though, comes, I think, a period of a lot of uncertainty for a lot of people.
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Certainly, a lot of these changes aren't going to just happen without some real pushback from within our country and without.
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And, you know, talking about whether it's Panama Canal and all these geopolitical tensions and potential for these disruptions, which that's why I'm here now.
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You know, you've got some of the most intelligent listeners, and I think they see through a lot of the BS and should understand that, yes, we've got the right man in charge.
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We've got the – he's surrounding himself by the right team, but we are not out of the woods yet.
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And so I'm still standing on my soapbox just trying to shake people into action and let them know we're still just like we were three, four, five years ago.
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Speaking of turbulence, Ben Harner, I had to get Ben in tonight.
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I got to do this, Ben, because in this press conference, you see how Ukraine, how important Ukraine is.
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And President Trump, they're trying to suck him into a security guarantee.
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Obviously, we're trying to make the counterargument right now, but a lot of this is predicated upon Zelensky and the popularity of Zelensky.
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And Eric said, hey, you don't even know if Zelensky can deliver the country.
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He recommended we don't even deal with Zelensky.
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Is Zelensky actually still the real leader of the Ukraine, and should the president be dealing with him?
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We're talking about a potential American security guarantee.
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Yeah, well, he's still notionally the president, even though his term of office ended in May of last year.
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He's still there by virtue of this, I think, Articles 83 and 106 of the Ukrainian Constitution, which prohibits elections being held during a period of martial law.
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That situation isn't forecast to change imminently in the spring.
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So I'm not personally expecting there to be presidential elections quite so soon.
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But what Eric said on the show earlier is actually, by the way, what President Putin very cleverly said a few weeks ago, saying that he's quite happy to negotiate.
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But he doesn't think that Zelensky is the right person to do so because he has no democratic mandate.
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And that's a clever move on behalf of the Russians because it splits the Ukrainian political establishment right down the middle.
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The Agence France-Presse, one of the three great international press agencies, carries an article today with a survey from the Kiev International Institute of Sociology, Steve,
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saying that the trust that Ukrainians have in Volodymyr Zelensky has fallen to 52 percent as of December last year, just before Christmas.
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And that is a fall of 90 percent just after the war broke out in March 22.
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In association with that, only 7 percent of respondents in 22, just after the war, said they actively distrusted Zelensky.
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That figure of active distrust against their leader has now risen to 39 percent.
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I know we don't have time, but I tell you what, I tell you what, listening to the president's press release earlier on, a press conference earlier on today,
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that the blood must have drained from Zelensky's face when he heard what President Trump was saying about refusing to rule out using the U.S. military to take possession of the Panama Canal or Greenland.
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Because how on earth can America continue to support Zelensky and Ukraine in this war and effectively do the same sort of thing that Putin has done?
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So these two things cannot take place at the same time.
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So either President Trump is planning on taking possession of the Panama Canal.
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We would argue the Panama Canal is actually our – which it is.
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It was given to Panama, kind of on a loan, and they've given it to the CCP.
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If the guys in Greenland ask us in, they've asked us in.
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Once again, Ben Harnwell at the cutting edge of geopolitical thought.
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But Ben, where do people go to get all your insights over on social media?
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On Getter, under my profile, Harnwell, and absolutely not on X, which is – which is, you know –
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Elon might have done a bit to promote free speech, but it's the very antithesis of that now.
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We'll be back live at 10 a.m. Eastern Standard Time tomorrow morning when you will be in the war room.
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