Bannon's War Room - January 07, 2025


WarRoom Battleground EP 681： Trump's Picks Are Key To the Sovereignty Of The Nation


Episode Stats

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55 minutes

Words per Minute

164.26215

Word Count

9,044

Sentence Count

712

Misogynist Sentences

8

Hate Speech Sentences

31


Summary


Transcript

00:00:00.000 The whole perception of the whole world is different. People from other countries have
00:00:05.880 called me. They said, thank you. Thank you. The perception of the whole world is different.
00:00:12.840 We're going to have to settle some big problems that are going on right now. We're going to have
00:00:16.340 to settle up with Russia, Ukraine. That's a disaster. I look at numbers every week,
00:00:21.000 the number of people being killed in that war. People don't know, mostly soldiers now.
00:00:25.200 But the towns have been obliterated. This was a Biden fiasco that he got,
00:00:29.140 as he could. That should have never happened. If we had a real president, if we had a president
00:00:33.860 that knew what he was doing, Russia would have never, ever gone in. But they did go in and we
00:00:39.180 have a mess. The cities are all blown up. The people have largely left and the soldiers are
00:00:44.460 killing each other at levels that haven't been seen since the Second World War. So we'll have
00:00:49.500 to get that one straightened out, too. That's a tough one. Much tougher than it would have been
00:00:53.180 before it started. I can tell you that the deal could have been made just by an average dealmaker.
00:00:58.900 A deal could have been made of that.
00:01:06.820 This is what you're fighting for. I mean, every day you're out there.
00:01:11.160 What they're doing is blowing people off.
00:01:14.720 If you continue to look the other way and shut up, then the oppressors,
00:01:18.900 the authoritarians get total control and total power.
00:01:21.500 Because this is just like in Arizona. This is just like in Georgia. It's another element
00:01:26.820 that backs them into a quarter and shows their lies and misrepresentations.
00:01:30.720 This is why this audience is going to have to get engaged. As we've told you, this is the fight.
00:01:34.920 All this nonsense, all this spin, they can't handle the truth.
00:01:38.860 War Room Battleground. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
00:01:42.660 Okay, welcome to the fourth hour here in our late afternoon, early evening show,
00:01:50.280 the second hour, Tuesday, 7th, January, Year of the Lord, 2025.
00:01:54.240 Of course, today, a blockbuster press conference Q&A with President Trump.
00:02:00.880 So much going on there. We covered a lot of that in the last hour.
00:02:03.780 This hour, we're going to be going from India to Switzerland.
00:02:08.200 Captain Fennell is going to join us. Got a very special guest in India.
00:02:11.260 Captain Fennell from Switzerland and then Ben Harnwell in Rome to talk about the geopolitics
00:02:16.900 of maybe some topics that weren't covered in the press conference today,
00:02:21.660 but I think are actually of a higher order of magnitude for right now.
00:02:26.700 But I want to start in kind of the seminal article.
00:02:29.880 This was in Saturday, the weekend Financial Times of London, as you know.
00:02:34.780 On the show, we go through the Financial Times and The Economist pretty thoroughly
00:02:38.920 on a daily basis with the Financial Times and weekly with The Economist
00:02:42.140 because they are the publications of the global elites.
00:02:48.120 And since we're a rising, ascended, populist, nationalist movement in the United States
00:02:53.320 and, quite frankly, throughout the world in different countries,
00:02:56.900 we have to make sure I call it Know Thy Enemy.
00:02:59.460 The Financial Times in the last, I don't know, 10 years since we started coming onto the scene
00:03:05.180 has gone out of the way to put down and to dismiss the MAGA movement
00:03:10.400 and particularly the economics in back of populist, nationalist political movement.
00:03:16.200 E.J. and Tony joins us because one of the senior editors at the Financial Times of London
00:03:22.300 for the Weekend Edition, that's Jillian Tett.
00:03:25.560 And Jillian is also an expert on currencies and capital markets
00:03:29.300 and one of the most important people over there on the staff.
00:03:33.440 And also, I think she's the head person at King's College at Cambridge.
00:03:36.680 Did a really huge, I think it was an 8,000-word piece on Dr. Peter Navarro,
00:03:44.080 the war room, breaking down the economics of what we're proposing for MAGA-nomics
00:03:49.440 and particularly for President Trump's second term.
00:03:51.360 E.J. and Tony joins us.
00:03:54.480 We had Jason Trenert on this morning.
00:03:56.580 He was able to give a brief overview.
00:03:58.580 I'm pretty stunned by this piece, E.J.
00:04:00.580 And I want every person in our audience to read this.
00:04:04.440 We're making it available so you don't have to subscribe to the FT.
00:04:06.820 I know many of you do because of the detailed nature of it.
00:04:10.220 But E.J., she did a very good job of kind of breaking out Peter Navarro's career,
00:04:15.900 how it's been tied to these policies, his involvement with President Trump,
00:04:20.900 clearly this issue with the China, as we call the main thing,
00:04:24.460 and the focus on China, but it was much more than that.
00:04:27.400 It really got into a detailed conversation about trade.
00:04:30.640 And as E.J., as you and I talk about all the time,
00:04:33.460 if you take 100 economists, 95% of them don't really know anything about trade or tariffs.
00:04:39.580 They're just not trained in that.
00:04:40.580 It's not an area of trade economics,
00:04:42.800 and tariffs have never really been an area where a lot of academic people
00:04:46.760 coming with PhDs out of academia really focus on.
00:04:50.700 But we get down to the nuts and bolts of really trade policy, tariffs, the economics of it.
00:04:55.720 First off, give us your overview of this kind of seminal piece in the Financial Times, sir.
00:05:02.080 Well, Steve, I was a bit critical of it from the standpoint of, you know,
00:05:05.600 they talk about the beggar-thy-neighbor economics of the 1930s,
00:05:09.580 where countries engaged in all kinds of tariffs and non-tariff barriers
00:05:13.040 to try to have additional protectionism for their domestic industries.
00:05:16.740 And they engaged in competitive devaluation of currencies, again,
00:05:21.160 in order to try to boost their domestic industries, at least in terms of export markets.
00:05:26.540 But what they—and that's true.
00:05:28.980 But the thing that really irked me was the fact that they accused Donald Trump and Peter Navarro
00:05:35.120 of engaging in the same kind of beggar-thy-neighbor economics
00:05:38.900 without acknowledging the context here, which is that people like Trump and people like Navarro
00:05:44.660 are fighting back in a world where all of America's enemies and allies, supposed allies,
00:05:51.400 are already engaging in exactly those kinds of economic policies.
00:05:55.560 In other words, they are making themselves rich at America's expense.
00:05:59.600 And for some reason, we're supposed to just sit back and take it.
00:06:02.760 And instead, what Trump and Navarro realize is the reality of the situation, which is this.
00:06:08.820 All of these other countries are already engaging in some kind of—some kind or another
00:06:13.780 of economic warfare against the United States, some of which is very overt, some of which is more covert.
00:06:20.240 But whatever the case may be, they're all in one way, shape, or form taking advantage of the United States.
00:06:25.760 And Trump is saying enough is enough.
00:06:28.040 We're going to fight back.
00:06:28.960 If you're going to do this to us, we will do it to you.
00:06:31.560 And because we have more leverage in this situation, because the American consumer
00:06:35.420 has more purchasing power than your people do, we are going to win this fight.
00:06:39.840 So you can either give up now or give up eventually after a whole heck of a lot more pain.
00:06:45.080 The choice is yours.
00:06:48.960 It also goes to the original sin of this entire mess, which was the Clintons in the 90s predicated
00:06:55.240 upon Bush 41 going over after Tiananmen Square and essentially letting the Chinese Communist Party
00:07:01.580 survive because it would have been put down by its own people.
00:07:05.980 But this whole fiasco of most favored nation and particularly allowing them into the WTO
00:07:11.020 was the original sin that's really allowed American capital to ship all the high-value-added
00:07:17.180 manufacturing to China.
00:07:18.800 Give me your thoughts on that.
00:07:21.960 Steve, that is the perfect, I think, illustration of this entire argument here.
00:07:29.540 It's the fact that we, the United States, at a time when the rest of the world was throwing
00:07:34.380 up these tariffs and non-tariff barriers to hurt our domestic industries, to gut our manufacturing
00:07:40.980 sector, to turn the steel belt into the rust belt.
00:07:43.580 While the rest of the world was doing that, our leaders here at home, instead of calling
00:07:48.260 it out, said, let's have free trade, meaning let's drop all of our own barriers so that
00:07:53.960 foreign exporters can flood our markets with their products, with their services, impoverishing
00:08:01.120 our producers here at home.
00:08:03.120 But we'll make the voters happy because, at least in the short run, we'll provide them
00:08:07.240 with these cheaper imports.
00:08:09.480 And that's what happened, especially with, as you pointed out, the Clintons, was it the
00:08:14.840 Trans-Pacific Partnership, right?
00:08:16.900 And several other trade deals, which, again, they looked like a good deal on paper from the
00:08:22.480 standpoint of we were reducing our tariffs and our non-tariff barriers, but we didn't get
00:08:28.080 the same kind of cooperation from other nations abroad.
00:08:32.040 And again, this is where people like Trump and Navarro realize that we have to operate in
00:08:37.640 the real world here, not some kind of academic fantasy.
00:08:40.900 You mentioned, Steve, earlier the fact that this is not an area where a lot of academics
00:08:45.580 are trained.
00:08:46.180 That's because the only training most econ PhDs get, I think, when it comes to trade economics,
00:08:52.240 is simply this fiction of free trade and that we just assume free trade and we assume it's
00:08:58.740 always good in all circumstances and that we should never worry about what other nations
00:09:04.040 happen to be doing.
00:09:04.920 No, we do need to be concerned because that is one of the things that has helped gut our
00:09:09.460 domestic industry, that has helped kill manufacturing here in the United States.
00:09:13.660 It's not the only thing.
00:09:14.680 The regulatory state is way out of hand here in America.
00:09:17.280 That has certainly contributed to the decline of manufacturing.
00:09:20.240 But we have to acknowledge, and again, Trump and Navarro have done so, that other nations
00:09:25.040 are taking advantage of the United States when it comes to trade, and it is long past time
00:09:30.400 we start fighting back.
00:09:31.940 E.J., where can people get you?
00:09:36.320 Your social media, your Twitter account is on fire, particularly the breakdown of all
00:09:40.400 the economic policies that are coming out.
00:09:43.380 And as I tell people, we've got to be able to access Jason Trenert and E.J. as long as
00:09:48.380 we can.
00:09:48.760 We've already lost Navarro and Scott Besant.
00:09:51.240 Scott Besant, Secretary of the Treasury.
00:09:53.420 Peter Navarro, Senior Counselor for Trade and Manufacturing in the West Wing.
00:09:57.860 Where do people go, E.J.?
00:09:59.400 The best place to find me is going to be on X.
00:10:02.180 The handle there is at real E.J.
00:10:04.200 and Tony.
00:10:07.120 E.J., thank you.
00:10:07.980 Thank you for all your analysis.
00:10:09.180 And I know it's tough today to break time away to join us.
00:10:12.000 So thank you, sir.
00:10:13.440 Thank you for having me, Steve.
00:10:14.680 I want to bring in one of the top geopolitical strategists in the world, Professor Madhav
00:10:21.280 Das Nalapot, a vice chair of the Manipal Advanced Research Group at Manipal University.
00:10:27.360 He's a renowned and revered geopolitical thinker.
00:10:31.120 Professor, today, President Trump gave a quite, how do I say this, lit, impromptu press conference
00:10:39.260 where he was talking about Panama, Greenland, et cetera, and Ukraine.
00:10:46.480 The center of gravity, you know, Captain James Fennell is going to join us from Switzerland,
00:10:50.260 one of our top geopolitical thinkers in the United States.
00:10:52.880 And we continue, have always focused on the Chinese Communist Party and keeping the main
00:10:57.720 thing, the competition between the West and the Chinese Communist Party.
00:11:01.540 India is absolutely a central key, and Modi is, I think, our most important ally in the
00:11:06.180 world.
00:11:06.680 As you see everything going on with President Trump now coming in for a second term, you
00:11:11.460 see what's happening in the Ukraine.
00:11:12.920 You see in the Red Sea, we just released, Biden's administration just released, I think, 20 Yemenis
00:11:19.540 terrorists from Gitmo back to the regional Mon.
00:11:23.920 Where do you see the world right now?
00:11:26.180 When you look at your top two or three things that you're focused on geopolitically, where
00:11:31.480 is the center of gravity of this, of the end of the first quarter of the 21st century?
00:11:37.200 Look, the fact of the matter is, Steve, I was just off a show on grooming gangs in the
00:11:42.120 UK.
00:11:42.920 And you know the argument that was used?
00:11:45.060 Oh, these gangs will turn violent if we take police action against them.
00:11:50.120 What are the police supposed to do except put down gangs?
00:11:53.180 And if you can't control violence of the gangs, well, then resign from the police force.
00:11:58.340 That's what's happening to the world today.
00:12:00.280 Political correctness has taken the place of correctness.
00:12:04.080 You know, to be right is normally better than being wrong.
00:12:07.680 But to be right is now considered to be some kind of pejorative.
00:12:12.240 And this is the ideal world for China.
00:12:16.760 Why?
00:12:17.080 Because we're talking in terms of beggar thy neighbor.
00:12:19.500 That's exactly what they're doing.
00:12:21.280 And how are they doing it?
00:12:22.420 You know, we have an old fable in India, thousands of years old, about a demoness who can turn
00:12:31.100 herself to look like an enchantress and then beguile people.
00:12:35.720 And the minute they fall into her trap, she goes back to being a demoness and slays them.
00:12:42.300 This is what China does.
00:12:43.840 It acts the good cop, good cop, good cop.
00:12:46.040 And frankly, Bill Clinton did more for China than any Chinese leader has in the CCP.
00:12:52.000 There's no doubt about that.
00:12:53.620 I mean, much more than the mistake Nixon made.
00:12:57.600 But the Chinese didn't need any concession to go against Russia.
00:13:02.220 They were against Russia from the very beginning.
00:13:04.040 But, of course, unfortunately, a lot of concessions were given, especially by Clinton.
00:13:09.240 Look, this is the problem.
00:13:11.480 They are everywhere.
00:13:13.160 You go on the Internet, you can see the algo warriors fighting.
00:13:17.480 And always the effort.
00:13:19.600 Look at the difference between TikTok and Daoyin.
00:13:22.560 Daoyin is a Chinese version of TikTok.
00:13:25.600 Completely sanitized, safe in society.
00:13:28.920 TikTok is meant to produce misfits, social misfits, like these grooming gangs.
00:13:36.640 They produce traumatized young women, underage women, child victims often.
00:13:44.960 And they become traumatized.
00:13:46.700 And the rest of their life, they become a drain on society and to themselves.
00:13:51.300 And many of the alcohol, drug abuse, whatever.
00:13:54.580 This is exactly what's happening to the world today.
00:13:56.920 And that's why, thank God, that President Trump is back.
00:14:01.220 I wrote a piece some weeks ago in the Sunday Guardian front page.
00:14:05.820 Trump, Modi, Ishiwa, and Yoon are basically the four big targets of what I call the Sino-Wahhabi.
00:14:13.160 And you can call it the Wahhabi Khomeinist.
00:14:15.600 The two are almost indistinguishable in terms of their tactics, although they claim to differ in ideology.
00:14:22.480 Khomeinism and Wahhabism.
00:14:23.620 These are enemies of the Sino-Wahhabi lobby.
00:14:27.920 And that's why, you know, I was very heartened by the cabinet picks of Trump.
00:14:34.680 They're outstanding people.
00:14:36.580 I did share a view with some friends in America that it's going to be a very uphill battle if he were to try and get Gates sworn in.
00:14:44.240 And possibly he'll lose a lot of capital that he may need for his other picks.
00:14:48.960 And I stand by that view.
00:14:51.320 But the rest of them are first class.
00:14:53.720 They understand China.
00:14:55.460 They understand the new Cold War.
00:14:58.320 And sorry for doing a little bit of self-publicity.
00:15:00.820 Cold War 2.0.
00:15:01.880 And this is the era of that Cold War.
00:15:05.080 It's not the era of 1.0.
00:15:07.040 I'm not saying Putin is an angel.
00:15:08.960 I'm not saying Russia is a good cop.
00:15:10.980 I'm only saying that if you remember, the Wahhabis and the Khomeinists call Israel the little Satan and America the big Satan.
00:15:19.020 Well, if Putin is the little Satan, she is the big Satan.
00:15:23.460 And by focusing on the little Satan, what's happening is people like Biden, people like, you know, I mean, so many other leaders in the world, they are basically allowing the big Satan to escape.
00:15:37.260 And that big Satan is becoming bigger and bigger.
00:15:39.740 And one day it will overwhelm us.
00:15:41.800 That's what I'm saying.
00:15:42.840 I predicted Trump will win back in 2016.
00:15:45.560 I, again, you know, I knew that I was, I had a feeling he was going to win this time around.
00:15:53.180 But this time around, I couldn't say it openly that Trump is going to win.
00:15:56.240 If you look at my writings, I'll say he has an edge.
00:15:59.040 He has an advantage.
00:16:00.520 Biden has done him a favor by sending him to jail.
00:16:02.720 I couldn't say outright, because if I did that, I'd be tarred and feathered.
00:16:06.880 That's how much things have changed.
00:16:08.840 I could say that in 20, end of 2015, beginning of 2016 about Trump.
00:16:14.540 You know, before this election, I couldn't say that, before being tarred and feathered.
00:16:21.300 I mean, you know, and physically attacked.
00:16:24.580 So this is the way things have changed.
00:16:26.700 And thank God.
00:16:28.360 What about Yoon in Korea?
00:16:30.460 They're out for him to lose his job.
00:16:32.560 Why?
00:16:33.220 Because he says that North, South Korea is heavily under influence of Pyongyang, and more importantly, China.
00:16:39.920 It's honeycombed with Chinese stooges, honeycombed with them.
00:16:45.780 And he's paying the price for that.
00:16:47.920 The man was wrong in his tactics.
00:16:49.780 He should have gone before Korean people the way Trump does, be outspoken, be transparent,
00:16:55.480 should tell the world the danger instead of imposing martial law and, you know, annoying a lot of normal people,
00:17:02.840 but also giving an opportunity to the Sino-Wahhabi lobby to hit back.
00:17:08.600 Now you have Modi.
00:17:10.900 You look at the publicity given to Modi.
00:17:13.780 The same publication that attacked Trump are attacking Modi.
00:17:17.280 Why?
00:17:17.940 Because this man is the first backward caste prime minister of India.
00:17:23.680 You know, pardon me for bringing in this horrible construction called caste,
00:17:27.480 in which you're supposed to be born into a particular category, and then that's it.
00:17:32.620 You spend the rest of your life in that, and you can't do anything about it.
00:17:35.660 That's absurd.
00:17:36.920 A man is not born—everybody is born equal.
00:17:40.280 And that was the ancient times we said.
00:17:42.360 Everyone is born equal, and then through work and effort and merit,
00:17:46.060 you achieve higher and higher stages and higher and higher, you know, forms of your existence.
00:17:56.020 But the fact is, he's the first backward caste prime minister.
00:18:01.040 And look at the blowback against him, as though he's part of the elite.
00:18:06.160 He comes from a dirt-poor family.
00:18:09.460 He spent years of his life wandering around the country with nothing, literally nothing,
00:18:16.340 except a small bag in his hand and money given by people.
00:18:20.040 At every stop he would go, he would take food, he would take money, and that's it.
00:18:24.660 If nobody gave him money, nobody gave him food, he would sleep in some school yard or something
00:18:29.840 until somebody did that.
00:18:31.580 So that's the kind of man he is.
00:18:33.560 Donald Trump, he knows America.
00:18:37.500 I always say that you have a lot of people in America who are British, who are European,
00:18:43.100 who are not American, who have been American-born, all their lives had only an American passport.
00:18:49.960 They don't think American.
00:18:51.740 And it's the mind that's important.
00:18:53.880 It's mind space that can be terror space or fight the terror space.
00:18:58.960 And in mind space, I can tell you that the fact of the matter is that these elites, as you call them,
00:19:05.200 have been taking over.
00:19:06.780 So thank God there's a corrective.
00:19:08.920 And look at the Trump mix.
00:19:11.260 Why are they going after Tulsi Gabbard?
00:19:13.620 Why are they going after, you know, Ratcliffe?
00:19:17.400 Why are they going after Waltz?
00:19:19.380 Why are they going after these people?
00:19:21.140 Because these people know the Sino-Bahabi lobby.
00:19:24.100 They know the Komen is lobby.
00:19:26.380 And they know very well.
00:19:27.900 And then they bring up some past thing, like, for example, Ukraine war.
00:19:32.500 All that Tulsi Gabbard said was that Ukraine is going to be in danger of losing the war
00:19:37.080 and losing a lot of people.
00:19:39.100 Please stop now.
00:19:40.500 And she was right.
00:19:41.780 You can see what's happening.
00:19:43.400 And, you know, the reason why they're so scared of Tulsi Gabbard coming in a high position
00:19:49.380 is that they're afraid it will blow the nonsense that Trump is a racist.
00:19:55.100 He's a racist.
00:19:57.320 And he appoints Tulsi Gabbard to some of the most, one of the most sensitive positions in the U.S. administration.
00:20:03.060 I mean, tell me another.
00:20:05.000 So this is the point.
00:20:06.940 Ishiba, again, Yoon, North Korea, who a chap doesn't know, I mean, you know,
00:20:13.300 doesn't know politics very well, obviously.
00:20:15.500 So he's not doing too well.
00:20:16.980 Ishiba, again, a stolid, steady man who understands the danger from China.
00:20:22.580 These are the four leaders being targeted, I can tell you.
00:20:25.440 And today I was talking about grooming gangs in the U.K.
00:20:28.440 And they were discussing Elon Musk.
00:20:30.000 I said, three cheers for Musk.
00:20:31.440 He's done something good for women all over the world.
00:20:35.080 Because for God's sake, the argument used by the U.K. government of conservatives and labor,
00:20:40.240 oh, they're too violent.
00:20:42.040 If we take action against them, the police will be hurt.
00:20:44.680 But what on earth are the police for, if not to take action against them?
00:20:48.860 If you can't take action against them, shame on you.
00:20:51.860 Resign.
00:20:52.740 Let somebody else take action.
00:20:54.500 My point is, Steve, it couldn't have come sooner.
00:20:57.960 The second inauguration, I'm counting the days till then.
00:21:00.800 I'm counting the days.
00:21:01.800 I'll tell you, this lobby is going to work very hard to try and get all the remaining candidates
00:21:07.440 also knocked out or given a bad name.
00:21:09.760 So they start off on a handicap.
00:21:11.840 The first Trump term is filled with establishment people.
00:21:15.220 And you know what happened.
00:21:16.640 Trump has learned his lesson.
00:21:18.320 Second time around, it's not going to happen.
00:21:21.000 But you may have.
00:21:22.420 My fear is two or three Republican senators or two or three Republican, you know, representatives
00:21:28.880 who are enthralled to sign a Wahhabi lobby, perhaps without knowing it.
00:21:33.380 And they go against these picks.
00:21:35.020 These are outstanding picks, Steve.
00:21:36.940 And I can tell you, these picks are the picks that we need to ensure that those in the world
00:21:44.140 who understand the real world can fix the real world before it's too late for all of us.
00:21:49.320 Professor, we've got to bounce, but I've got a couple of minutes.
00:21:53.960 I've got to ask you this question, particularly as guidance.
00:21:56.960 Modi has faced this about the CCP head-on, particularly about apps.
00:22:04.920 What should we look at for Modi as guidance in this second term in the confrontation with
00:22:11.180 the Chinese Communist Party, sir?
00:22:13.360 Please understand one thing, Steve.
00:22:15.260 If you neglect a virus, it becomes worse and worse.
00:22:20.360 Better ensure it is taken care of in the very beginning.
00:22:25.280 We have shed blood in India in 2020 at Galwan.
00:22:30.400 We have shed PLA blood, and we have shed quite a lot of it.
00:22:35.740 The Chinese first denied it.
00:22:37.340 Then they said six.
00:22:39.660 Then they said 12.
00:22:40.960 It's actually about 60, according to our satellite data.
00:22:43.800 We know the world can escape a war only if the CCP is afraid of starting a war.
00:22:53.080 The last century, Steve, unfortunately, the monster at that point in time was not afraid
00:23:00.840 of starting a war.
00:23:02.100 Wrongly, fortunately, as it turned out.
00:23:04.980 But look at the human cost.
00:23:07.400 This time around, this monster has got to face an alliance system.
00:23:12.480 For example, the Quad as a security alliance, an interlocking of security among the major
00:23:19.040 democracies.
00:23:19.820 And one thing about India, we have inexhaustible reserves of manpower, whether it is in terms
00:23:25.900 of soldiers, whether it's in terms of technical or whatever it is.
00:23:30.180 And the Chinese are afraid of us because they have a demographic problem.
00:23:33.920 They've been trying to knock us down.
00:23:35.800 They've been trying to knock the U.S. down.
00:23:38.120 Because for them, it's very simple.
00:23:41.580 Even if you are living in a dirt poor world, if you're the top dog in that world, that's
00:23:46.820 enough.
00:23:47.580 The world doesn't need to be rich.
00:23:50.020 You don't need to be rich.
00:23:51.340 So long as you're now numero uno.
00:23:53.400 That's all they want to be.
00:23:55.440 Numero uno at anyone, everyone's cost.
00:23:58.840 This is something that Donald Trump realizes, his national security team realizes.
00:24:04.240 Of course, the problem with Gates was it would have taken too much of political capital out
00:24:09.100 of Trump, which he needs to spend on this.
00:24:12.240 If these cabinet picks of business security field get through, I can tell you, Steve, then
00:24:18.680 hallelujah, that's all I can say.
00:24:24.020 Professor, where do people go to get your column in the Sunday Guardian?
00:24:27.380 Where do they go to get your books?
00:24:29.100 Where do they go to get your writing on social media and your website?
00:24:31.800 Well, there's some at MD Nalapart.
00:24:36.180 I think there's a Twitter feed.
00:24:38.180 It's handled by friends of mine who are in social media.
00:24:41.320 I don't touch social media, Steve, unfortunately, but it's handled by friends of mine.
00:24:48.120 And I think, you know, as far as my books and other things are concerned, I have both enemies
00:24:52.420 and friends, as you can guess.
00:24:53.740 And you'll find a lot of dirt about me and a lot of good things about me.
00:24:58.600 If you believe the dirt, go ahead.
00:25:00.880 It's a free society in America, still in India.
00:25:03.840 If you believe the good things, some of the good things at least, well, bless you.
00:25:10.960 Professor, honored to have you on here.
00:25:12.940 Great start.
00:25:13.660 Looking forward to have you back.
00:25:14.700 Thank you for the words of guidance for President Trump and the support of President Trump,
00:25:19.260 the guidance for him starting his second term.
00:25:20.740 Appreciate you, sir.
00:25:21.540 Bless the American people, bless President Trump, bless the whole world, bless Prime
00:25:28.580 Minister Moody, and bless the world's most populous democracy, India.
00:25:32.940 God bless you, Steve.
00:25:34.140 And thank you for having me on your tremendous show.
00:25:37.420 God bless you.
00:25:38.100 Thank you, brother.
00:25:40.640 Appreciate you.
00:25:43.120 We're going to take a short commercial break in a moment, and we're going to return.
00:25:46.780 I'm going to get the thinking of Captain James Fennell, Captain Jim Fennell, Naval Intelligence
00:25:51.940 Officer, one of the bravest individuals I've ever met, gave up his entire career to stand up to the Chinese Communist Party.
00:25:57.120 And quite frankly, the nature of our elites, both military, political, economic, to look the other way when it comes to the Chinese Communist Party.
00:26:05.760 Very controversial press conference today.
00:26:08.520 President Trump shows you he's coming out with both barrels.
00:26:11.840 He's not going to be denied this time with kind of playing patty cake with the administrator of Deep State.
00:26:17.960 Threw down hard.
00:26:18.680 Absolutely unbelievable.
00:26:21.540 But we want to focus on the main thing, which is the threat of the Chinese Communist Party, not just on the Eurasian landmass, throughout the Middle East, Africa, Latin America, now in the Western Hemisphere.
00:26:33.180 And as President Trump said, and he focused, the Panama Canal as a tool for the Chinese Communist Party to thwart the United States of America.
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00:30:56.760 Are you going to negotiate a new treaty?
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00:31:04.980 I can't assure you you're talking about Panama and Greenland.
00:31:08.800 No, I can't assure you on either of those two.
00:31:11.360 But I can say this.
00:31:13.400 We need them for economic security.
00:31:16.420 The Panama Canal was built for our military.
00:31:20.320 I'm not going to commit to that.
00:31:21.880 Now it might it might be that you'll have to do something.
00:31:24.700 Look, the Panama Canal is vital to our country.
00:31:29.880 It's being operated by China.
00:31:32.020 China.
00:31:33.380 And we gave the Panama Canal to Panama.
00:31:35.620 We didn't give it to China.
00:31:37.260 And they've abused it.
00:31:38.600 They've abused that gift.
00:31:39.720 It should have never been made, by the way.
00:31:41.500 Giving the Panama Canal is why Jimmy Carter lost the election, in my opinion.
00:31:45.760 More so maybe than the hostages.
00:31:47.640 The hostages were a big deal.
00:31:48.880 But if you remember, and nobody wants to talk about the Panama Canal because, you know, it's inappropriate, I guess.
00:31:54.840 But because it's a bad part of of the Carter legacy.
00:31:59.200 But he was a good man.
00:32:01.240 Look, he was a good man.
00:32:02.320 I knew him a little bit and he was a very fine person.
00:32:04.980 But that was a big mistake.
00:32:06.380 Giving the Panama Canal to Panama was a very big mistake.
00:32:09.600 We lost 38,000 people.
00:32:11.100 It cost us the equivalent of a trillion dollars, maybe more than probably the most expensive.
00:32:17.000 They say it was the most expensive structure, if we call it a structure, which I guess you can, ever built.
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00:33:37.760 Captain, for now, I couldn't think of a better person to have on here following our guest from India,
00:33:43.200 Professor Das Nalapot, and also what President Trump said today.
00:33:47.780 Your naval intelligence officer gave up your career to warn the United States, the people of the United States,
00:33:53.760 that the Chinese Communist Party was not just rising.
00:33:56.900 The Chinese Communist Party was a malevolent actor on the world stage.
00:34:01.740 Is President Trump overstating the case?
00:34:03.500 He actually said, I will not rule out military, economic, and or political diplomatic pressure
00:34:09.340 when it comes to when he's talking about the Panama Canal or Greenland.
00:34:13.400 President, your strategist, is President Trump off his rocker right here?
00:34:18.040 The mainstream media is going absolutely bonkers on this.
00:34:21.180 Your thoughts, sir?
00:34:23.560 Well, Steve, thanks for having me on, and always nice to follow Dr. Nalapot.
00:34:29.020 I would say that President Trump is actually the frame of reference called the Overton Window.
00:34:37.380 For the last 30 to 40 years, we've allowed the left, the socialists, the Marxists in our country
00:34:43.960 to define our national security interests in their framework.
00:34:49.560 And so President Trump is correctly saying, no, I don't accept that framework,
00:34:53.460 and I'm going to reset the Overton Window.
00:34:56.580 And so he's correctly assessing that our national interests are defined by these issues of the Panama Canal and Greenland.
00:35:06.360 And I'll just remind folks that, you know, what Jimmy Carter did in giving away the Panama Canal
00:35:13.380 wasn't just giving away a canal and allowing the Panama government to have control over the canal.
00:35:19.360 It was much more than that.
00:35:20.800 And I have colleagues and friends of mine that served in the region at the time and shortly after the time.
00:35:28.660 And it's the equivalent—oh, Jimmy Carter, what he did was the equivalent of saying,
00:35:32.860 we're going to shut down European command in Germany, and we're going to pull out all American forces and troops in Europe
00:35:40.140 and just pull them back to America.
00:35:42.380 Or in Central Command, we're just going to pull everything out at one time without any discussion,
00:35:49.720 without any consultation, we're going to pull everything out.
00:35:52.360 Or the equivalent of Indo-Pacific command.
00:35:55.800 We're going to pull all of our troops out of Korea and Japan and move them back to California,
00:36:00.420 and we're not going to have any presence in the Western Pacific.
00:36:04.500 That's what Jimmy Carter did in Panama.
00:36:07.860 He didn't just pull—or just turn over the canal to the Panamanian government.
00:36:12.840 He shut down U.S. Southern Command.
00:36:16.780 That was a military command structure with military presence from the U.S. armed forces.
00:36:23.580 It was there to provide stability to that region, and he pulled it all out on the threat of some kind of mythological guerrilla warfare
00:36:31.740 from the—that was existing in Panama.
00:36:34.200 It was a lie then, and he gave away our national security interests.
00:36:38.620 So in essence, we've watched over the Biden administration, you know, millions of people come into our country
00:36:46.620 through a porous border, but that was—the conditions for that were established by Jimmy Carter and his presidency.
00:36:54.900 He gave away our national security capacity in Panama back in that time,
00:37:01.940 and now we're reaping the benefits or the disastrous benefits of that today,
00:37:06.620 and we're seeing the effects in the deaths in America from crime, fentanyl, et cetera, et cetera.
00:37:16.120 Do you agree with the proposition?
00:37:18.960 You're a naval intelligence officer.
00:37:20.600 You were head of naval intelligence for the Pacific Command, the entire Pacific.
00:37:24.380 Do you agree, given your former professional position,
00:37:29.260 that the absolute control of the Panamanian Canal has actually shifted to the Chinese and the Chinese Communist Party?
00:37:34.940 Well, first, Steve, I was the Pacific Fleet Director of Intelligence, not Pacific Command,
00:37:40.700 so I was just a naval component.
00:37:43.020 But I do assess that what's happened over this time period is that the Chinese Communist Party
00:37:49.440 and their state-owned enterprises, Hudgens and Mwampoa, both ends, the Atlantic and the Pacific side of the Panama Canal,
00:38:00.900 and as we're seeing reports continually, but just most recently from guys like combat reporter Michael Yon,
00:38:08.840 he's down there in the Panama Canal, and he's watching the Chinese put up bridges and other things
00:38:16.340 to be able to, at their whim, be able to block the Panama Canal if they so choose.
00:38:23.960 I live in Switzerland right now, and I live in an area where the Nazis were able—
00:38:28.980 the Swiss government was concerned that the Nazis would come in from Eastern Switzerland,
00:38:32.480 and the Swiss devised a plan to blow up the Rhine River on the eastern end here before Lake Constance
00:38:39.320 to be able to prevent the Nazi military from being able to come in and take all of Switzerland.
00:38:45.120 Well, that's exactly what the PRC has been able to do and has the capacity to do with the Panama Canal.
00:38:52.140 And if we think that what we saw in this last year with the evergreen blockage of the Suez Canal
00:38:59.700 and this current disruption of the Suez Canal with the Houthis and the rebels
00:39:05.480 and their attacks on the USS Harry Truman strike group and attacks against our naval vessels in the Red Sea,
00:39:13.680 if we think that's bad for the global economy and our national security,
00:39:18.180 we'll wait until they shut down the Panama Canal.
00:39:20.640 And then ask yourself, what has China done and worked out with other agents in the Strait of Malacca?
00:39:28.540 So there's other key areas in what we call strategic choke points that China's well aware of.
00:39:33.820 And we have been asleep at the switch for 40 years as we've allowed China to be able to move into these positions
00:39:40.100 to threaten the global trade that keeps America's economy running.
00:39:46.100 Professor Malapat is one of the leading geopolitical strategists in India.
00:39:53.220 And we know someone that the Modi team reads his writings at the Sunday Guardian and listens to him.
00:39:59.560 He just came on here and said, you really can't be too hard in your confrontation with the CCP.
00:40:04.520 That if you don't stand up to him now, this is we're going to really segue into something that's much more closer to a kinetic conflict.
00:40:11.480 Do you agree with that?
00:40:14.600 Yes, sir, I do.
00:40:15.880 I've been warning about this for over 20 years.
00:40:18.820 The Chinese Communist Party is intending to destroy the United States of America.
00:40:22.680 And we have been filled with both Republican and Democrat administrations up until Trump's first term
00:40:28.520 with politicians that want to appease China, want to make some kind of a deal, want to think that they can appease them and engage with them and talk with them and things will get better.
00:40:42.060 But that shows a fundamental misunderstanding of Chinese Communist Party ideology and their intention to destroy us.
00:40:50.160 And so my co-author and I, Dr. Bratt there, we've been writing repeatedly in weekly columns and in our book, Embracing Communist China, America's Greatest Strategic Failure, that we cannot engage or appease the Chinese Communist Party.
00:41:06.020 It is really down to the basic confrontation that Ronald Reagan defined about the Soviet Union.
00:41:11.400 It is either we win and they lose or the other way.
00:41:15.140 And so it's a binary decision.
00:41:17.160 It's a binary decision that people will, some people will define that as, oh, it's a neocon.
00:41:21.760 Well, I never was a Democrat and I'm not new.
00:41:25.220 I have always been warning about the threat from the Chinese Communist Party and their intentions for us.
00:41:31.160 This is communist ideology.
00:41:32.960 They want to destroy capitalism.
00:41:34.720 They want to destroy freedom and liberty and individualism for the collective.
00:41:40.320 And they are coming after us and we cannot be soft on them.
00:41:43.620 We have to stand up to them and we have to confront them.
00:41:46.100 And I am so much, very much looking for 20 January.
00:41:54.300 Captain, where do people go to get you your writings, any access to you, sir?
00:42:01.020 I don't do social media, so I don't have any other things you can follow.
00:42:04.080 But my co-author and I, as I mentioned, we do write a weekly column for American Greatness.
00:42:08.720 And you can follow us there.
00:42:10.060 And we put them up, I put them up and get her as soon as they come out.
00:42:14.540 They're quite powerful.
00:42:15.500 Captain Fennell, thank you very much for the long fight that you had and the fight we got as a comrade in arms going forward.
00:42:23.720 Thank you, Steve.
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00:43:03.900 The CCP is everywhere.
00:43:05.500 They're in a very aggressive stance, forward-leaning, and they want the United States to join them to combat the Chinese Communist Party.
00:43:12.040 Is really the shutdown of the supply chains to cut off really basic medicines to the United States, is that a real threat?
00:43:18.320 Or is that another, they're going to say, this is banning in the paranoia that comes from the fever swamps of the far right, sir?
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00:43:30.180 Are we overstating this?
00:43:31.200 No.
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00:44:05.060 With that, though, comes, I think, a period of a lot of uncertainty for a lot of people.
00:44:11.880 Certainly, a lot of these changes aren't going to just happen without some real pushback from within our country and without.
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00:47:10.360 Speaking of turbulence, Ben Harner, I had to get Ben in tonight.
00:47:13.300 I got to do this, Ben, because in this press conference, you see how Ukraine, how important Ukraine is.
00:47:18.540 And President Trump, they're trying to suck him into a security guarantee.
00:47:21.760 Obviously, we're trying to make the counterargument right now, but a lot of this is predicated upon Zelensky and the popularity of Zelensky.
00:47:30.780 And Eric said, hey, you don't even know if Zelensky can deliver the country.
00:47:33.840 He recommended we don't even deal with Zelensky.
00:47:36.040 We've got a couple of minutes.
00:47:37.580 You've been on this from the beginning.
00:47:39.800 Is Zelensky actually still the real leader of the Ukraine, and should the president be dealing with him?
00:47:45.300 We're talking about a potential American security guarantee.
00:47:48.620 Yeah, well, he's still notionally the president, even though his term of office ended in May of last year.
00:47:58.800 He's still there by virtue of this, I think, Articles 83 and 106 of the Ukrainian Constitution, which prohibits elections being held during a period of martial law.
00:48:09.060 That situation isn't forecast to change imminently in the spring.
00:48:15.280 So I'm not personally expecting there to be presidential elections quite so soon.
00:48:22.160 But what Eric said on the show earlier is actually, by the way, what President Putin very cleverly said a few weeks ago, saying that he's quite happy to negotiate.
00:48:32.300 But he doesn't think that Zelensky is the right person to do so because he has no democratic mandate.
00:48:38.320 And that's a clever move on behalf of the Russians because it splits the Ukrainian political establishment right down the middle.
00:48:45.020 Why? Because this guy is now so unpopular.
00:48:46.980 The Agence France-Presse, one of the three great international press agencies, carries an article today with a survey from the Kiev International Institute of Sociology, Steve,
00:49:00.940 saying that the trust that Ukrainians have in Volodymyr Zelensky has fallen to 52 percent as of December last year, just before Christmas.
00:49:13.460 And that is a fall of 90 percent just after the war broke out in March 22.
00:49:18.600 In association with that, only 7 percent of respondents in 22, just after the war, said they actively distrusted Zelensky.
00:49:29.600 That figure of active distrust against their leader has now risen to 39 percent.
00:49:36.300 So the window is closing.
00:49:37.640 There are other statistics to go into.
00:49:41.020 I know we don't have time, but I tell you what, I tell you what, listening to the president's press release earlier on, a press conference earlier on today,
00:49:49.300 that the blood must have drained from Zelensky's face when he heard what President Trump was saying about refusing to rule out using the U.S. military to take possession of the Panama Canal or Greenland.
00:50:02.620 Why?
00:50:03.660 Because how on earth can America continue to support Zelensky and Ukraine in this war and effectively do the same sort of thing that Putin has done?
00:50:15.060 With his own justifications to enter Ukraine.
00:50:19.720 So these two things cannot take place at the same time.
00:50:23.180 So either President Trump is planning on taking possession of the Panama Canal.
00:50:29.040 And I'm against that, by the way.
00:50:31.280 I'm against that.
00:50:31.720 But there are arguments in favor of it.
00:50:33.740 Or he's going to support Zelensky.
00:50:35.220 We would argue the Panama Canal is actually our – which it is.
00:50:42.520 It's our property.
00:50:43.460 It was given to Panama, kind of on a loan, and they've given it to the CCP.
00:50:47.600 And that's what Putin says about Ukraine.
00:50:48.420 And Greenland, if the – if the – exactly.
00:50:53.080 If the guys in Greenland ask us in, they've asked us in.
00:50:55.660 Ben, we've got to bounce.
00:50:57.420 We'll continue this tomorrow.
00:50:58.600 Once again, Ben Harnwell at the cutting edge of geopolitical thought.
00:51:02.360 But Ben, where do people go to get all your insights over on social media?
00:51:07.320 On Getter, under my profile, Harnwell, and absolutely not on X, which is – which is, you know –
00:51:13.880 Elon might have done a bit to promote free speech, but it's the very antithesis of that now.
00:51:18.280 It's worse than under Jack Dorsey.
00:51:19.860 Only on Getter.
00:51:20.960 Exclusively Getter.
00:51:22.100 Best social media platform in the world.
00:51:24.220 And there I am under Harnwell.
00:51:25.640 Thanks, Steve.
00:51:26.180 God bless.
00:51:26.660 Catch you tomorrow.
00:51:27.360 Worse than Jack Dorsey.
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00:51:31.460 We had Captain Fennell from Switzerland.
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