Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 685： Deep State Gearing Up; The Process Of The Incoming Trump Administration

00:00:00.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:00:07.740 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.

00:00:12.980 I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.

00:00:17.280 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:00:19.180 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:00:20.620 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that,

00:00:22.380 but you're not going to stop it.

00:00:23.300 It's going to happen.

00:00:24.560 And where do people like that go to share the big line?

00:00:27.980 Mega Media.

00:00:28.880 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:00:34.760 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:00:38.520 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:00:44.900 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.

00:00:54.300 Okay, Monday, 13 January, Year of the Lord 2025.

00:00:56.920 Thank you for being here for the second hour of our late afternoon, early evening edition of the War Room.

00:01:03.180 Tomorrow, Days of Thunder.

00:01:04.540 The preamble starts with the confirmation.

00:01:08.200 Remember, we told you these ways that President Trump will get his hands around the kinetic part of the Third World War,

00:01:13.680 the debt and deficit crisis.

00:01:15.120 That is a true existential crisis for us.

00:01:17.040 And, of course, immigration, deportations, border security, those three big lines of work.

00:01:22.580 President Trump will come with those for a couple of things.

00:01:24.540 Number one would be executive orders, right?

00:01:26.280 There's going to be 100, probably, I don't know, 25 to 50 on day one of next Monday.

00:01:31.720 There's already laid out in the president's calendar the schedule after the inauguration, after the lunch, after the parade,

00:01:39.840 when he's sitting up there and a little bit after he's reviewing the troops in the inauguration parade at the White House,

00:01:47.220 President Trump back in for his first day since he left on the 20th of January of 2021.

00:01:52.340 I guess he did go by and see Biden, so I take that back.

00:01:58.780 President Trump will sign the executive orders, but you also have to get his team in place.

00:02:02.900 And the team in place is going to be these confirmation hearings.

00:02:05.320 There's going to be some fireworks.

00:02:07.320 I think we have 13 cabinet officials, cabinet members, and 14 hearings.

00:02:12.460 Pam Bondi's already going to get two. 1.00

00:02:14.020 I think her is Wednesday and Thursday or Thursday, Friday.

00:02:17.120 She got two days.

00:02:17.980 Everybody else got one.

00:02:18.800 And, of course, all the big names, Scott Besson, Russ Vogt, of course, Pete Heggs is the one that's going to light off tomorrow morning.

00:02:26.820 We're starting at 10 o'clock hour up with Pete.

00:02:29.420 Even beforehand, I think a Real America's Voice, they're going to be at this kind of rally or show of support among junior officers

00:02:36.360 who are veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

00:02:39.400 And Captain Maureen Bannon, I think, will be part of that.

00:02:42.300 So a lot going on on Days of Thunder.

00:02:45.300 I want to welcome Rob Bluie, head of the Daily Signal, a major news site.

00:02:51.620 Rob was at Heritage for years where I knew him.

00:02:53.460 I guess this started there and you spun it off.

00:02:56.300 I always go to Daily Signal early in the morning to see what you guys are talking about.

00:03:02.960 I was kind of shocked today.

00:03:04.160 And we're the leaders in the deconstruction of the administrative state.

00:03:08.180 We're huge supporters of Doge to do it.

00:03:10.080 Rob, you had a piece there and we keep saying the administrative state and deep state are not there.

00:03:16.160 They're not going to follow President Trump's orders.

00:03:18.160 There's going to be there's going to be some resistance.

00:03:20.120 But you guys have a poll up that says, I think it's 50 percent of the administrative state.

00:03:26.440 Fifty percent say that they're going to basically form a resistance to President Trump.

00:03:32.360 They want me through that.

00:03:33.140 Steve, God bless you for making your audience and conservatives aware more broadly of this problem.

00:03:41.000 You have warned that we shouldn't fall into a false sense of complacency.

00:03:45.140 The legacy media has been telling us for weeks now everyone's bending a knee to Trump and writing big checks to Trump.

00:03:50.540 And the resistance isn't there.

00:03:52.220 And we should not expect anything like what we saw in 2017.

00:03:55.420 Well, this poll should disprove all of that.

00:03:58.580 And that's because, as you just pinpointed, nearly half of federal government managers are planning to do exactly what they did during the first term.

00:04:07.520 And that is resist Trump at every turn.

00:04:09.540 In fact, if you look specifically at the number of federal employees who voted for Kamala Harris, two thirds of them have said that they will outright ignore directives from the president or do things in that they can in their power to resist him from carrying out his agenda.

00:04:26.140 This is the reality of what is going on in Washington, D.C. right now, a week before President Trump takes office.

00:04:32.340 So this is why this is why the confirmations, we kept saying, guys, you've got to bring those forward and you've got to flood the zone because he needs the cabinet heads.

00:04:42.200 But you've still got, you know, none of the second or third tier people.

00:04:44.900 You do have the three thousand we send in day one.

00:04:47.440 But those executive orders, Rob, that he's going to sign in this ceremony next week.

00:04:52.040 And let's say there's 50 and they're all in different aspects, a lot dealing with, you know, the securing the border and deportations, some dealing with trade and tariffs, some dealing with these wars and many other things like the woke nature.

00:05:05.940 Signing an executive order in the Oval Office is ceremonial and it's obviously it codifies it, but you have to force it through the system.

00:05:14.340 The shocking thing about your poll is you say right out of the box, Trump is like in Saigon in 1966.

00:05:21.340 You don't know the enemy.

00:05:22.480 You don't know where they are, who they are, but, you know, they're out there and, you know, they're embedded, sir.

00:05:28.200 Yeah, there are three million federal employees.

00:05:30.540 It's a massive bureaucracy.

00:05:32.480 And over this is a problem that is decades in the making.

00:05:34.780 I mean, if you go back probably even 100 years to Woodrow Wilson's administration, I mean, you have had a situation where Democrats have just done a much better job of burrowing into these agencies and they stay there.

00:05:46.620 Republicans leave office, whether it's George W. Bush or Donald Trump, and usually people leave.

00:05:51.740 And in the case of Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, Joe Biden, people stay and they stay for a purpose.

00:05:57.580 They stay to enact their agenda, not the president's agenda.

00:06:00.120 This is why we are big advocates that the president should have the executive authority and the ability to fire these individuals who don't follow his directives.

00:06:07.640 And so to your point about Senate confirmations, I think that it's imperative on the 53 Republican senators to move with urgency to get these cabinet secretaries in place and then moved with urgency to get their deputies in place because they're oftentimes the ones who are going to be on the front lines while the secretaries are out there testifying and, you know, doing other things that come with those official duties.

00:06:28.760 You have a situation now where, yes, this week is packed with confirmation hearings, but I'm not confident that President Trump is going to start day one with his team in place.

00:06:39.000 I mean, he may have a few people in place, maybe a Marco Rubio, maybe Pete Hegseth gets confirmed.

00:06:43.840 If you look at what happened with Biden, though, Democrats moved with urgency to make sure he had everybody in place that he needed on day one, January 20th, 2021, to carry out the executive orders and make sure that they were actually enforced.

00:06:56.360 And Donald Trump needs to have that same sense of urgency.

00:06:59.300 And I hope that Republicans in the Senate give him the team that he has nominated so he can do that.

00:07:06.200 Rob, once again, you bring up a brilliant point, just the process, folks.

00:07:09.640 They go to the committee of jurisdiction to actually have the confirmation hearing.

00:07:15.380 OK, we're going to cover that wall to wall. Right.

00:07:18.020 Once again, then the committee has to vote.

00:07:20.820 So what Rob's saying is that, hey, if you look at these things happening this week, unless we force these committees to vote later in the week or over the weekend, it can't go to the floor.

00:07:29.880 And the Democrats are going to try to slow everything down, use every technique, use floor speeches, all of it.

00:07:35.460 But you've got to get to the floor to actually have a vote of the entire Senate, who is the human resources department really of the government.

00:07:42.140 So there are two big functions is advice and consent on nominees and its treaties.

00:07:46.300 That's really what they were set up in the Constitution to do.

00:07:48.600 So if you just look at the timing, we could be and they could kick the the the the the committee vote into next week and then and then drag out the Trump could be a week, 10 days, two weeks to get some of these key these key people in there.

00:08:04.720 How do we what's your recommendation to the audience of what we have to do to make sure we expedite that?

00:08:09.660 Rob Lui.

00:08:10.080 Well, Steve, you've had some committee chairman like I'll give kudos to Mike Lee, who is running the Energy Committee, who has said he is not going to let the Democrats stonewall him and pull out these procedural hurdles.

00:08:22.040 You have other Republicans who I think are are more deferential to to the process and the system and making sure that all the paperwork is in.

00:08:29.580 And we know that in some cases these these FBI background checks can take a long time.

00:08:34.000 And I'm sure that they're working.

00:08:35.840 These government employees are working with all urgency to get them done.

00:08:38.640 I say that sarcastically.

00:08:39.980 But, you know, Steve, it's it's so critical.

00:08:42.420 And here's why, because we have already heard that it's going to be 18 months to two years that Trump's going to be able to, you know, if that's his window, basically, to make sure that he accomplishes the legislative and the executive priorities that he wants to put in place.

00:08:55.860 At that point, Democrats, you know, still will start to gum up the works.

00:08:58.820 We'll have another election to think about.

00:09:00.240 And so everything that he can do starting on day one and throughout those first 100 days will be important.

00:09:05.440 And then you look at the steps.

00:09:07.280 You outlined the 25 to 50 executive orders.

00:09:10.040 You actually need people in place to carry out those actions.

00:09:12.900 So in some cases, he'll have people who go on a landing team or will step in and acting roles until the secretary is confirmed.

00:09:19.280 But, you know, that's limited in their capacity.

00:09:21.360 We even had Democrats and those on the left use lawfare to challenge actions by individuals who were in an acting capacity in the first term.

00:09:29.840 And so you have all sorts of potential impediments that that will be standing in his way.

00:09:35.500 And so I hope that Republican senators and there are 53 of them.

00:09:38.460 We have to remember that he can lose up to three of them.

00:09:41.280 I hope that they will recognize, just as Democrats did four years ago, that the president deserves his team.

00:09:46.500 And by the way, we should also remember, Steve, the Democrats moved in lockstep four years ago.

00:09:52.200 Not a single Democrat senator opposed a single Biden nominee.

00:09:57.220 This is unheard of that you have Republicans who are now saying that they might not vote for some of these people, even though the American people have given Donald Trump a mandate.

00:10:06.480 I mean, it's incredibly frustrating that Republicans, you know, tend to be this firing squad against their own.

00:10:11.420 So, Rob, I want to have you back on the next couple of days, talk about the deconstruction of the administrative state, how DOGE can help that and how that ties into this poll that you guys have that says that 50 percent are going to be a resistance to the president's to basically remember the chief executive officer of the of the government, the commander in chief and also the chief magistrate, the chief law enforcement officer.

00:10:33.200 Rob, tell us about Daily Signal.

00:10:34.720 Give us a minute or so on Daily Signal.

00:10:36.200 How do people get to it?

00:10:37.400 What do they do with it, et cetera?

00:10:40.240 Sure, Steve.

00:10:40.680 And one final point on the poll.

00:10:42.320 The good news that I think coming out of the poll is that 54 percent of Americans, so a majority of Americans, say that Trump should have the authority to fire them if they don't comply.

00:10:50.500 So hopefully the American people will still be on Donald Trump's side.

00:10:53.740 Daily Signal, visit DailySignal.com.

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00:10:57.360 Steve, we are newly independent from the Heritage Foundation.

00:11:00.100 We got our start under Heritage 10 years ago.

00:11:02.300 We are going to be intently focused on covering Congress.

00:11:05.320 Newly credentialed, so our team has credentials, will be out there for the inauguration and roaming the halls of Congress,

00:11:09.980 covering the confirmation hearings, doing all those things.

00:11:13.200 So, you know, we look forward to sharing that good message with all of your viewers and listeners.

00:11:18.700 Well, we're going to pick up some of your confirmation coverage over the next couple of days.

00:11:22.580 Rob Bleu, your personal social media.

00:11:24.540 Where do folks go?

00:11:25.120 Yeah, absolutely.

00:11:26.600 Robert Bleu on X and the other platforms as well.

00:11:29.820 Check me out there.

00:11:31.060 And, again, thank you to all of the War Room Army.

00:11:34.160 We appreciate your loyal support.

00:11:37.140 And it's going to be a busy year ahead, Steve.

00:11:39.980 And we're going to need to all be on the top of our game.

00:11:44.460 All hands on deck.

00:11:45.620 Thank you very much, brother.

00:11:46.580 Appreciate you.

00:11:47.160 Rob Bleu, Daily Signal.

00:11:48.220 Make it part of your daily diet, your media diet, to get up to speed on everything.

00:11:53.240 Josh Pettit, I just want to make sure you understand, this is not simply a problem in the federal government.

00:11:59.980 Josh Pettit, who's one of the great thinkers in the game of golf about the history of it, the architecture of it,

00:12:05.580 also knows California politics in a very sophisticated way.

00:12:09.260 Josh, and I wanted to get you on here.

00:12:11.080 We started the morning show about Gavin Newsom, his complaints about the president, where actually Eric Prince was on about a recall petition about Gavin Newsom.

00:12:20.860 And he actually recommended Elon Musk as a guy.

00:12:23.700 They actually run for governor against Newsom, replace it.

00:12:26.480 And you've been very good as one of my guides out there.

00:12:29.280 And you're saying, and I lived there for 20 years, but I didn't even know the depth of the problem.

00:12:33.220 You're saying, hey, look, all that's good.

00:12:34.720 It's got to be taken care of.

00:12:36.020 But don't think that solves the problem.

00:12:37.640 The problem you have in Sacramento and throughout the state is probably worse than you've got with the administrative and deep state in Washington, D.C.

00:12:46.140 Explain to the audience exactly what you're talking about.

00:12:51.000 Sure.

00:12:51.580 Well, if not worse, it's on the level.

00:12:53.760 And, you know, first of all, going back to the morning show, which I caught bits of, the San Francisco disaster of 1906 was first caused by an earthquake,

00:13:03.860 which then led to the city burning down, which then led to the 1907 financial panic.

00:13:10.800 J.P. Morgan got involved, tried to pull resources, and then the rest is history.

00:13:15.480 But to your question, you know, I'm seeing all these people, and I love me some Eric Prince, huge Eric Prince fan.

00:13:23.380 And there's a lot of sentiment out there.

00:13:25.820 People are talking about recall efforts, and we've got to get rid of these incompetent executives at the state level and at the local level, you know, in the case of L.A. with Karen Bass.

00:13:36.720 That's all well and good.

00:13:38.240 You know, I like the sentiment.

00:13:40.100 I love the motivation.

00:13:41.220 That will not solve the underlying issues here.

00:13:46.220 It'll help maybe around the margins, but it's not going to solve for the structural underlying issues that have compounded for decades and that are now manifesting themselves.

00:13:55.180 What we're seeing is not simply a manifestation of incompetence.

00:13:59.340 Just a little inside baseball and California politics, the most powerful political lobby in California is not the tech lobby.

00:14:10.040 It's not the labor lobby, even though historically Sacramento and San Francisco were labor towns.

00:14:16.300 It's not the more recent LGBT woke lobby.

00:14:20.200 It's the environmental lobby.

00:14:21.740 The environmental industrial complex has taken over California politics over the last three or four decades.

00:14:29.340 And they run the deal.

00:14:33.940 And until we address that and dismantle that brick by brick, the California administrative state, just like we have to do in D.C., we're not going to get much progress coming out of executives.

00:14:46.500 Even if you get a guy like Elon in there who, you know, whatever, that's interesting.

00:14:50.720 You and I may have some philosophical disagreements with Elon, but I think we did admit he's probably a phenomenal executive and a brilliant engineer, and he could probably solve certain things.

00:15:02.360 But he or any other executive that goes in there, suppose we do recall Newsom, they are going to be fought tooth and nail every step of the way by the environmental industrial complex, which consists of the politicians in both state houses, a network of attorneys, lobbyists, consultants, NGOs.

00:15:21.760 And they really make up this bureaucratic, tech-to-cratic class.

00:15:26.360 And that's where the power in California resides in this scenario, most particularly at the California State Water Resource Control Board, the Department of Water Resources, the California Department of Fish and Wildlife, and the California Coastal Commission in certain zones.

00:15:45.100 They're very, very powerful. And until you dismantle these agencies, we're not going to solve these problems with the infrastructure deficits that we're seeing.

00:15:56.560 We have not, you know, the population of the state of California has doubled in the last 40 years, and we have not increased our water storage capacity during that time frame at all.

00:16:06.880 There's been tons and tons of money, billions of dollars allocated to the water infrastructure, and it's always gotten diverted away.

00:16:13.480 Okay. Ten years ago, the California voters passed Prop 1, which is this boondoggle bond initiative, and it was sold to the public as for water infrastructure, storage capacity, conveyance systems, all these things.

00:16:26.960 95% of that money was diverted away, and it went to all of these NGO groups that run these habitat restoration projects, and they get extremely wealthy in the process.

00:16:35.840 And then they have their 501c3s that they run their operations out of, but then adjacent to that, they have their 501c4 operations that are political arms, they're PACs, and then they install their own bureaucrats, their own politicians, and they keep the money cycling going.

00:16:52.700 It's just this recurring, you know, these environmentalists, I consider myself environmentalists, but the environmental lobby, they came to do well, and they did really well indeed.

00:17:02.360 Thank you.

00:17:32.340 Amazingly, I guess, wet winters the last couple, and they're saying, oh, well, that grew the feeling.

00:17:37.680 Weren't they supposed to store that water?

00:17:40.160 Isn't there some big debate or crisis over they were supposed to have this storage capacity, but somehow the bond issue didn't pay for it, so the water just ran off?

00:17:48.920 So they've had these incredibly wet winters, but there's nothing to show for it, and they're still sitting there fighting over the Colorado River, sir?

00:17:57.160 You're hitting the signal, Bannon.

00:18:00.480 That's exactly right.

00:18:01.880 Yeah, we've had two back-to-back years of record rainfall that had followed a couple-year drought stretch.

00:18:08.860 The reality is we live in a Mediterranean climate here.

00:18:11.360 We're always cycling in and out of drought years and El Nino years or clumps of years, and again, we don't have the water infrastructure to be able to store the water that can be utilized for the 36 or 38 million people that live here.

00:18:28.840 And furthermore, we have the ability to do it.

00:18:35.080 There's plenty of water.

00:18:36.800 California, we have the ability to have water free to the residents of the state.

00:18:43.200 We could have water too cheap to meter.

00:18:45.740 You know, decades ago, we used to think, thinking forward technologically, we'd have energy too cheap to meter, and regulations largely have gotten in the way of that.

00:18:54.340 In California, we could have water too cheap to meter, but there's so much money on the line.

00:19:00.360 All these water districts, every time there's a drought cycle, they want to have for double, 2x their water rates, and then the water rates never come down when we go out of the drought cycles, and they're always claiming that they're going to use the money for more infrastructure.

00:19:13.200 But guess what always happens is the infrastructure projects that get proposed, they always get shot blocked by the environmentalists.

00:19:19.560 They always go in and sue.

00:19:21.320 There's a body of law—it's not a law, but it's a body of law—called CEQA, California Environmental Quality Act, that was passed in 1970, actually signed by Ronald Reagan, governor at the time.

00:19:31.660 And that has been weaponized.

00:19:33.160 That is their tool of choice.

00:19:34.940 That and the Endangered Species Act, for other reasons I won't go into, which is passed at the federal level.

00:19:40.040 And they weaponize CEQA, and they use it to dismantle any project the environmentalists don't want, which is most of them.

00:19:48.040 And then the few projects they do allow built, you know, their donors are developers that they let get by.

00:19:55.620 But anything they don't want built, including these water infrastructure, the storage capacity, reservoirs, conveyance systems, they always get nixed.

00:20:03.080 They get sued.

00:20:03.780 They get dragged out for years and decades, and they never happen, much like we've seen with this debacle of this high-speed rail project that's been going on for years, if not a couple of decades now.

00:20:14.220 It's gotten nowhere, wasted billions of dollars.

00:20:17.840 The waste, the corruption, the graft, it would make Tammany Hall blush.

00:20:27.040 We've got to bounce.

00:20:28.240 This is fascinating.

00:20:29.340 Josh, where do they go on your social media to get you?

00:20:31.980 Because I want to break this down so people understand what we're really up against in California.

00:20:36.420 Well, as a golf course architect, I inadvertently found myself in the middle of all of these water projects going to meetings in Sacramento because I spent half of my time trying to mitigate against this water issue for my clients.

00:20:52.580 And so I've, over the last 10 years, I've learned the way the system works inside and out.

00:20:57.300 And so, you know, as a golf course architect, that's my line of country, but I've seen behind the curtain, and I've seen the way the apparatus in Sacramento works, and I've connected the dots with all these different things.

00:21:14.180 So you can find me.

00:21:15.400 Wow.

00:21:15.640 I run a museum, a historical institution for the greatest golf course architect that ever lived named Alistair McKenzie, and that's the McKenzie Institute on Instagram or Dr. McKenzie on Twitter.

00:21:28.980 I don't really do personal social media.

00:21:34.140 Okay, brother.

00:21:36.140 Let's go there, and we're going to have you back on.

00:21:38.160 This is amazing.

00:21:38.860 This deconstruction of the administrative state in California, what we're really up against.

00:21:42.740 Josh Pettit, thank you very much.

00:21:44.600 Appreciate you having you on.

00:21:46.020 It's great to see you, Steve.

00:21:47.040 Thank you, sir.

00:21:51.900 Ben Harnwell is with us.

00:21:54.020 Ben, I don't have time to play this about the populism in Europe.

00:21:57.180 We're going to do that tomorrow.

00:21:58.320 But I've got to get your two cents here.

00:21:59.960 Earlier in the day, we had this situation.

00:22:02.100 You have been adamant about this because you've really been at the forefront of the story for us in Europe, out of Rome, about the Ukraine war.

00:22:12.300 And we're sitting there telling President Trump and just saying, hey, watch out.

00:22:16.560 You see what the color revolution people are doing, led by Robert Kagan.

00:22:20.140 They want you to step in and take ownership of the war.

00:22:23.560 Give us your assessment, given what you've heard Walt say, you've heard Sepp Gorka say, but you're also seeing the buried leads in some of these newspaper reports.

00:22:30.640 What do you got for us?

00:22:33.160 Yes, Steve.

00:22:34.400 Basically, my analysis on this, going to the Mike Waltz comment, saying that President Trump, when he assumes power on the 10th, should pressure Zelensky into lowering the Ukrainian age of consent to 18, if I think it's 25 at the moment.

00:22:50.380 The problem with this is that, let's say, Zelensky doesn't want to do that because he knows how unpopular it is right now.

00:22:56.580 And he also knows he has a minimal democratic mandate.

00:23:01.000 But if Zelensky were to do this, were to comply, and hundreds of thousands of extra kids are as a consequence of that massacre,

00:23:11.420 at six months down the line, it's no longer the case that President Trump doesn't have a moral stake in this war.

00:23:24.400 He absolutely would have one, which then obviously frames the question in these terms.

00:23:30.120 Is he going to give Moscow what Moscow wants?

00:23:32.880 Or is he going to continue to fight on behalf of Zelensky and follow through on what the Biden administration has been doing?

00:23:43.840 And from then, I know you mentioned that this is very similar now to Vietnam-style escalation.

00:23:51.040 The question is, I would pose it like this.

00:23:53.420 Looking at Donald Trump, knowing something of his psychology,

00:23:56.540 I would say for him, his only kryptonite is the perception of weakness, of signaling weakness.

00:24:07.100 If you get to six months and he's morally browbeating Ukraine into lowering the age to 18, 0.98

00:24:13.500 it's not a case that he will then be, that he will own the war, though, of course, he will.

00:24:18.700 But the question is, is that if he withdraws the United States, leaves Ukraine out to dry,

00:24:24.140 that is signaling a massive perception of weakness, Stephen.

00:24:29.100 There's no getting around that if he does that, if he stays in for six months and then gives Putin everything he wants.

00:24:35.700 The only way to avoid this, you know, this is something we've been saying on the show again and again,

00:24:39.780 the only way, and there's no upside for this, for Trump whatsoever, if he stays in for six months.

00:24:46.880 If he stays in for three months, he's going to start owning the disaster that Biden has left him.

00:24:53.640 Only people won't blame Biden, they will blame him.

00:24:57.640 The only way out of this is if in the first 24 hours, Donald Trump does exactly what he promised he would do in the campaign.

00:25:05.940 J.D. Vance, right, he said, frankly, I don't care what happens to Ukraine one way or the other.

00:25:11.580 Where is that now, that dynamic that we were hoping for from this administration?

00:25:15.920 It does not seem to be sustained looking at General Kellogg's contributions to the debate.

00:25:23.080 It doesn't seem to be sustained by looking at Dr. Gorka's contributions to the debate.

00:25:29.400 But Robert Kagan is very clear.

00:25:34.040 Robert Kagan is sitting there going, it's going to be Trump's biggest strategic defeat.

00:25:39.480 President Trump has nothing to do. Hang on, Ben, for a second. We're going to go to a break.

00:25:42.440 David Drucker is going to join us. We've got the great Dave Walsh, all of it, in the second half of this.

00:25:49.320 President Trump has no owner. Right now, with a week to go before the inauguration, President Trump has no ownership.

00:25:56.000 In fact, President Trump has been the one beacon of decency and common sense in this entire debate.

00:26:02.100 Number one, if the election had not been stolen from him in 2020, there wouldn't have been a war.

00:26:10.300 You wouldn't have a million dead or wounded Ukrainians. You wouldn't have 750,000 dead or wounded Russian troops.

00:26:17.040 Wouldn't.

00:26:18.680 Remember, this war, the Third World War, this early part of it, is much deadlier than the early parts of World War II.

00:26:25.260 Much deadlier. Catastrophic.

00:26:27.460 President Trump warned against that. He took a hard stand against that. He had no involvement in it.

00:26:33.940 And what you're seeing here now is this kind of creeping incrementalism with potential escalation.

00:26:40.560 This is Vietnam. This is Iraq. This is Afghanistan over and over and over again. 0.76

00:26:46.760 President Trump has no ownership of this at all.

00:26:49.940 And that's what they're trying to stick him with.

00:26:51.580 They're trying to stick him with the problem they created.

00:26:55.940 Short break. Johnny Kahn takes us out.

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00:31:05.600 Man, we're going to have to continue this tomorrow.

00:31:15.580 We've got a lot more to do, but I want to make sure everybody goes to Ben's social media up on Getter.

00:31:19.420 He's putting this up all the time because he's our head of international out of Rome.

00:31:24.240 He's at the forefront of what's going on, particularly in the European media.

00:31:27.680 And they're licking their chops right now.

00:31:30.960 They're anticipating President Trump is actually going to come in.

00:31:33.620 And they realize there's been a lot of rhetoric about this Ukraine war, but they've kind of, you know, NATO, Brussels, Davos.

00:31:40.680 And remember, Davos starts.

00:31:43.080 And with Noura bin Laden, we're going to have full coverage of Davos on the same day that the inauguration, as Davos kicks off.

00:31:50.420 So we'll be going back and forth between the inauguration, actually the days of thunder that start right after that when President Trump starts signing the executive orders, goes over to the White House.

00:31:57.960 Noura bin Laden. But that entire crowd is licking their chops.

00:32:02.040 And don't take it from me. I'll put back up on social media this evening.

00:32:06.080 I'll put on the Robert Kagan piece in The Atlantic, which lays it out.

00:32:09.340 They see this as, oh, if Trump doesn't go forward with their plan, it's a major strategic defeat and he's going to own it.

00:32:15.340 The only way you own it is if you step into it.

00:32:17.820 It's not your conflict.

00:32:19.240 You had nothing to do with this.

00:32:20.760 He fought it tooth and nail.

00:32:21.780 Ben Harnwell, where do people go to stay up to speed with everything you're putting up on social media?

00:32:28.840 Getter, Steve, under at Harnwell, my profile.

00:32:33.520 I'll just finish with this observation.

00:32:35.600 Let's wheel out the Professor John Mearsheimer line here that he said 10 years ago about Ukraine being walked down the primrose path to its own destruction.

00:32:44.360 Donald Trump now is standing at the beginning of the same primrose path and the people around him are holding him by the hand and they're urging him to walk down the same primrose path.

00:32:57.740 He still has his goal.

00:32:59.260 How many days?

00:32:59.940 Eight days.

00:33:02.220 Seven days.

00:33:03.240 He can still say no.

00:33:04.380 He can still check changes and simply do.

00:33:07.380 All he has to do is do exactly what he promised in the election campaign.

00:33:10.740 It's in his hands, Steve.

00:33:11.840 We will continue to explore this tomorrow.

00:33:17.000 Professor Mearsheimer also said was the one that gave us that kind of phrase that we're going to fight.

00:33:22.240 The West will fight until the last dead Ukrainian. 1.00

00:33:25.160 This is what Waltz and we look.

00:33:26.720 We're big fans of Waltz.

00:33:27.720 We're obviously big fans of Seb.

00:33:29.020 He was a contributor here.

00:33:30.600 We used to do the Wednesday show with him all the time in his show.

00:33:34.920 It's this is all Mearsheimer playing out, not just the primrose path to fight this to the last dead Ukrainian.

00:33:39.620 That's why the parents over there, the reason it's still 26 years old and the war, you know, Mike said, well, I don't think most Americans know it.

00:33:46.220 Everybody in the war room posse understands because we've talked about it for two years.

00:33:48.840 The reason the Ukrainians couldn't get through any of their legislature is that the parents said, no way.

00:33:53.720 We don't want our kids killed.

00:33:55.500 They've never really had any big volunteers in the 18, 19, 20 year old, except a couple of performer things you used to see on CNN and MSNBC.

00:34:04.200 Ben Harnwell, thank you so much, sir.

00:34:06.660 See you tomorrow.

00:34:07.060 Thanks, Steve.

00:34:08.820 God bless.

00:34:11.100 Tomorrow's show, we're going to be dipping in and out of the confirmation hearings, particularly Pete Hegseth, the national security part of it, the defense, SECDEF defense department.

00:34:21.960 It's going to start on the show that precedes us, the morning show here in Real America's Voice before the war room, where I think we're going to catch up with this rally that's going to go on from officers who are actually serving the field in Iraq and Afghanistan.

00:34:35.020 And then there's going to be a big turnout at the hearing tomorrow.

00:34:39.060 Captain Mo Bannon will be part of that.

00:34:40.920 So we'll and we're going to be going back and forth from our contributors, breaking news to what's happening at the confirmation hearings tomorrow.

00:34:47.460 David Drucker joins us.

00:34:49.460 David, amazing piece, because it's so given everything we're talking about here the last week and this week to know that people are thinking downrange every way, because I say I say, hey, look, everything we've got in the field of action.

00:35:01.880 Now, Hakeem Jeffries and these guys are looking to raise two billion dollars to flip a handful of seats to take control of the House.

00:35:09.260 The first order of business they're going to have is the impeachment of Donald Trump.

00:35:12.160 And we're going to be right back to the beginning of all this.

00:35:14.380 And guys like Zuckerberg and all these guys are down with their million dollar checks as supplicants today will go through this entire flip.

00:35:21.480 You've got a great piece up in the dispatch that says, hey, people are thinking about this and they're actually getting ahead of it downrange.

00:35:28.200 Walk me through your piece about the midterms.

00:35:29.860 So I was taking a look at the evolving political operation.

00:35:34.440 I should say the emerging political operation in the incoming Trump White House.

00:35:39.240 And what I found fascinating, Steve, was that, as expected, the political operation led by, you know, informally or formally led by Donald Trump.

00:35:49.720 But his deputy, Susie Wiles, the chief of staff, James Blair, deputy chief of staff for political legislative affairs, Matthew Brasso, the political director on the outside, Chris Lasavita, who was helped with Wiles in managing the 2024 campaign.

00:36:05.420 All of them are going to be focused on the legislative agenda with narrow majorities in the House and Senate, the House obviously very narrow, the Senate, even though it's 53 seats, that doesn't give you a lot of wiggle room.

00:36:17.920 So they're going to be focused on getting that reconciliation bill through with the tax implications, border implications, energy implications.

00:36:26.400 And that's to be expected.

00:36:29.400 But you're also going to see – and this is what I thought was so interesting and what I featured in the piece was a deep focus on the 2026 midterm elections.

00:36:38.660 The White House political operation wants to vet the candidates that Republicans are recruiting for the House and Senate and even for some of these governors' mansions.

00:36:46.700 They want to vet their campaign teams, and I think in a way Trump is able to do this.

00:36:53.200 It's not unheard of that White Houses are involved in this, but I think we're going to see a much deeper involvement from this White House political operation in part because Trump's endorsement is so coveted in Republican primaries.

00:37:08.720 And what the Trump operation has figured out is because they want our endorsement, it gives us a lot of influence and they plan to use it.

00:37:16.700 I want to go because one – this is inextricably linked, as you said, with what's happening here.

00:37:22.940 Is your sense – because I heard the Senate was pretty adamant last week in the meeting saying, hey, look, we've got to do two bills.

00:37:28.000 We've got to get this border energy bill out there, maybe throw in some defense.

00:37:32.900 That has to happen now.

00:37:33.920 We can have it to you in six to eight weeks.

00:37:36.380 Speaker Johnson and the team are saying, no, we want to go with one big one.

00:37:39.320 We can have it the end of April, May.

00:37:41.540 People are saying maybe Memorial Day.

00:37:43.000 Do you have a sense of where the political team is coming down on that in respect to 2026 of either holding what we've got now or potentially increasing this?

00:37:55.240 I think this is still a moving target, Steve.

00:37:57.020 I think we know that Senate Republicans prefer the two-bill strategy.

00:38:00.860 I think House Republicans, because the majority is less than a handful of seats, I mean it fluctuates.

00:38:07.340 And at the moment it may be just one or two seats.

00:38:09.580 I don't think they want to have to go through this twice, and I think that's what's motivating their desire to stick with one bill.

00:38:15.460 Cram it full of everything we can possibly get in there.

00:38:18.940 Let's just do it once because we don't know if we can do it twice.

00:38:22.180 And, of course, the Senate is a more complicated and somewhat deliberative body, and so they're thinking it will be easier from a policy perspective for us to get the various votes we need if we can actually break it up into two different bills.

00:38:37.440 But I think ultimately it's going to be about where the president is.

00:38:41.420 That's an obvious answer to give you, except, as you know, with Trump, he is either, one, cagey or, two, unsure of what he wants.

00:38:49.380 I think he's trying to let the House and Senate fight it out.

00:38:53.280 And then whatever works, he'll say, I'm for that.

00:38:55.340 Let the best idea win.

00:38:58.480 I want to go back.

00:38:59.480 You know, the war and possibly was very involved in a lot of these reapportionments, realignments, the fights in Florida, the fight in North Carolina, the fight in Missouri, Tennessee, all of it.

00:39:08.940 But when you look at how we pulled this off in 2024, a lot of that tied back to that.

00:39:16.740 Are the political team of Susie and Chris, et cetera, are they going to work on these things too early on to make sure that we got a better sense of where some of these potential pickups are going?

00:39:26.160 And also make sure we don't lose what we got, because I know New York's tight.

00:39:29.480 California is tight.

00:39:30.360 I imagine North Carolina is going to be a major battlefield, particularly since we lost a lot of down ticket, given how Trump did at the presidential level.

00:39:39.820 Is there a sense that we've got to get involved in those fights too as a predicate to getting ready for the midterm?

00:39:46.640 I think we're going to find out more about that as things go along.

00:39:50.360 I mean just for your viewers' understanding, reapportionment doesn't come along again until the end of the decade, right?

00:39:55.180 So our boundaries are set, and you're going to see the NRCC on the House side, NRSC on the Senate side heavily involved in trying to defend these majorities and hopefully from their perspective expand the majorities.

00:40:11.280 I think that they're going to have to defer to Trump and his team more than we have seen from congressional committees interacting with presidents in the past, at least initially.

00:40:25.720 A lot of this, Steve, is going to have to do with the incoming president's political position as we approach Election Day 2026, right?

00:40:34.420 If he's in a really good position, he's going to have a lot of juice.

00:40:36.840 If his approval ratings are suffering, if people feel like he hasn't dealt with inflation and the border, those two main things they really elected him to do, then he's going to have less juice, and Republicans will start to separate from him.

00:40:49.300 But initially, he probably has more political capital within his own party to begin a presidential term, as much of that as I have seen since Barack Obama 2008.

00:41:03.120 Yeah, no, it's pretty amazing.

00:41:04.760 That's why it's so important to get this stuff done and get it done quickly.

00:41:08.480 By the way, there's all kind of analysis out.

00:41:10.420 In 2030, if we do that, even without this whole controversy of which I was involved in in 17 about do you count illegal aliens or not, even without that, I think it's 10 electoral votes and a bunch of seats, a bunch of seats going to go to Texas and Florida.

00:41:25.540 So 2030 looks great.

00:41:27.220 I just hope we don't lose any more lawsuits so we have to fight any of this in 2026.

00:41:31.320 Because you agree, David, you do this every day.

00:41:34.660 Hakeem Jeffries is going to raise an incredible amount of money, and it's on one thing.

00:41:38.540 You give me the seats, even one, majority, and I can impeach Donald Trump.

00:41:43.040 Your thoughts, sir?

00:41:44.680 I don't know that he will run on that.

00:41:46.480 At least – in fact, I would predict he will never run on that.

00:41:49.440 But, Steve, when you're in the minority, it's much easier to unify, and it's much easier to raise resources because everybody can imagine that their money and their volunteer efforts, it's going – that it's going to go to exactly what they want it to go to.

00:42:05.780 You don't have to deal with the details and come on and satisfy everybody's individual asks until after you win the majority.

00:42:13.780 That's when things get complicated.

00:42:15.040 Amazing. Amazing piece over there, and I like the fact that people are already thinking downrange because everything – it's all intricately linked for how we do in the midterm.

00:42:25.840 If you want to stop the Trump movement, you want to stop Trump's presidency, just lose the House in the midterm, and, man, it will be a whole different calculation.

00:42:33.240 David, where did people go to get your social media, where did they get you over the dispatch, all your reporting?

00:42:39.700 Appreciate that.

00:42:40.960 www.thedispatch.com or I'm on X with my byline, at David M. Drucker.

00:42:46.420 Thank you, brother. Appreciate it. Great, great piece.

00:42:50.860 And grace and moe can push it out to everybody. I want everybody to read this because this is what's happening. 0.95

00:42:55.740 You know, we got the confirmation hearing start tomorrow, but it's inextricably linked with this process.

00:43:00.740 And then we tell guys, hey, there's no ultimate victory. This is all a give and take.

00:43:05.560 And already they're starting to plan, and particularly Hakeem Jeffries' guys are starting to plan already.

00:43:09.420 And this is what they're going to try to do to chop block President Trump.

00:43:12.640 I want to get Dave Walsh on here. Dave, we have said from the beginning, and you're seeing it now in the bond market.

00:43:17.700 You know, we had E.J. and Tony. You're starting to see, you know, get near 5 percent on the 10-year.

00:43:23.360 There's kind of a—the bond vigilantes are not totally in revolt now, but you see these bond prices going up, particularly in the U.K.

00:43:31.280 The guilt is kind of on fire.

00:43:33.700 The whole predicate of President Trump's economic plan is not tariffs. That's a central piece, right?

00:43:41.720 It's not taxes that's a central piece. It's not deconstructing administration or deregulation.

00:43:48.120 These are all component important pieces.

00:43:50.960 The substrate that he is built upon is full-spectrum energy dominance, that his theory of the case is an industrial power.

00:43:59.500 You have to have cheap, plentiful, and ready energy all the time.

00:44:03.620 Your sense, as we get up to the 50, it looks like, executive orders of the 100 that may be signed next Monday, what's your sense of where we stand in that most key component, the full-spectrum energy dominance brother?

00:44:18.780 Well, I think his position on tariffs is a sophisticated business-like one.

00:44:25.020 It's about recognition that it's probably going to be impossible with the four-seat majority to dismantle the Biden IRA legislatively, which would be the easiest path forward.

00:44:34.200 And since that can't really be done, the next step to squash it is to go after tariffs on China, who import 88 percent of the thin-film PV, solar, all of the lithium-ion batteries, essentially all of them into this country, inverters for battery storage, for solar, voltaic, for utility-scale solar farms.

00:44:53.620 Imposing hefty duties on them will be a counterbalance to the inability to unwind the Biden IRA, which I think he recognizes legislatively is going to be very hard, a very, very long putt.

00:45:05.300 We need to do something about this.

00:45:07.480 We've had the last five years – I look back at the last five years of new generation capacity additions in this country.

00:45:14.440 Ninety-one percent of them have been solar, wind, and battery storage.

00:45:18.420 Only nine percent of new generation added in this country in the last five years has been baseload, nuclear, plant-volved, or gas-volved combined.

00:45:28.060 Hold it. Hold it. Hold it. Full stop. Full stop. Full stop.

00:45:32.160 Give me that again because you have taught us that the solar and wind are ephemeral.

00:45:38.960 You're saying of the 100 percent capacity added, only nine percent was in what we call real cheap, plentiful, ready-to-go energy 24-7, and the 91 percent has gone to all these kind of sidebar projects?

00:45:54.360 Conventional, traditional base load, meaning 24-hour-a-day power plants have only consisted of nine percent of national new capacity power generation additions in the last five years.

00:46:05.760 And it's worse than that on a net basis because we've shuttered about 22 net megawatts of coal, gas, and nuclear along the way.

00:46:14.480 So the net increase across five years in actual energy capability of the electrical system is only 2.9 percent cumulative across five years, not per year.

00:46:24.780 We're now projecting three to five percent per year growth in electricity need.

00:46:29.180 So we are woefully, woefully short of electrification in the country, and these policies must be turned around, if not legislatively, then by duties, and then by chasing after utilities who have glommed on to the asset churn opportunity presented by lots of renewables, wind, solar, battery storage.

00:46:49.180 So they get guaranteed 10 to 12 percent rate of return guaranteed to them by public service commissions and proceed with this because it's easy money for them.

00:46:58.660 That's the bigger problem is getting utilities off of this who are major PAC donors and to, on a bipartisan basis, getting them weaned off of this being wedded to part-time, 24 percent of the time, electricity sources that are ruining the country's electrification.

00:47:14.860 Listen, with everything I'm hearing about AI and how the stock market is predicated upon AI, that even now it's going down to second and third tranche companies, and we're going to Davos next week kind of for the first anniversary of the AI.

00:47:28.420 And the whole Davos World Economic Forum is all about artificial intelligence put out.

00:47:33.640 With the increased necessity of power for AI, how big an air pocket is this going to give us that President Trump is going to have to deal with?

00:47:42.440 It's huge.

00:47:45.220 I had the privilege of the Money Center Bank invited me to talk to 10 hedge funds about three weeks ago on Wall Street about why the boom in GE Vernova.

00:47:53.580 What's going on?

00:47:54.360 Well, guess what?

00:47:55.420 In the last nine months, there have been 10 times the number of heavy frame, heavy-duty gas turbines ordered in this country, 10 times more than the last five years per year this year.

00:48:08.620 So suddenly there's an absolute boom going on in the way of folks understanding and recognizing they must have these units running to back up this horrendous part-time energy system we've built out now that I just explained.

00:48:22.600 So there's a boom underway in this space.

00:48:24.500 They want to know why that is.

00:48:25.880 Well, you look at what's happened the last five years.

00:48:28.780 Look at the electrification shortage.

00:48:30.280 Yeah, partly driven by AI and data centers, but I think that's partly a politically correct way that Fink and our Morgan Stanley chair have used to explain that this part-time electricity does nothing for pulp and paper, cement making, aluminum making, steel making, car assembly, all of that also heavily dependent on baseload, constant-duty electricity.

00:48:51.180 We're woefully, woefully short of that.

00:48:53.760 So there's recognition in now utilities ordering gas turbines, betting on the administration change, which has now occurred, and looking forward to hopefully more baseload investment that they'll be making, hopefully.

00:49:09.740 Real quickly, the EOs that you're anticipating and hope that the president's on top of in the first couple of days of next week, what are the one or two big ones that you hope to see?

00:49:20.880 Well, he's going to – I'm almost certain he's going to restate his bulk electricity grid kibosh against procurement of bulk electricity grid components from hostile nations, most specifically China, being a hostile nation, can't supply power transformers and can't supply solar, wind, battery storage inverters.

00:49:40.480 Critical components to the bulk electricity grid cannot come from hostile nations.

00:49:44.800 That was a keynote of the last administration.

00:49:46.900 I think he's going to do that again.

00:49:48.600 That's huge.

00:49:49.140 I do think that the duties are going to be not pervasively applied at 25 percent, but targeted to those nations who are hurting us.

00:49:56.660 China has basically taken over 70 percent of the power generation equipment market in this country from a 1 percent market share position 10 years ago.

00:50:06.620 What we've got to get in the way of what they're supplying is part-time energy devices that basically ruin U.S. electrification and minimize it.

00:50:15.520 So he's got to get in the way of that with duties targeted at China, and that won't be an EO, but that will be an action of commerce with duties targeting that kind of equipment coming from hostile nations that is equipment based on part-time electrification as opposed to baseload full-time electrification.

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Bannon's War Room - January 13, 2025

WarRoom Battleground EP 685： Deep State Gearing Up; The Process Of The Incoming Trump Administration

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