Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 708： Bringing Populism To Brazil; Health Freedom

00:00:00.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:00:19.280 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.

00:00:23.260 I've got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.

00:00:28.900 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:00:30.860 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:00:32.280 I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.

00:00:34.920 It's going to happen.

00:00:36.200 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?

00:00:39.580 MAGA Media.

00:00:40.940 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:00:46.340 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:00:49.500 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:00:56.540 War Room.

00:00:57.340 Here's your host, Stephen K.

00:00:59.420 Bannon.

00:01:04.440 Friday, 14th, February, Year of the Lord 2025, St. Valentine's Day.

00:01:10.320 This is the early evening edition.

00:01:12.700 You just heard the late afternoon.

00:01:13.740 We started with the last hour with J.D.'s speech, which was pretty monumental.

00:01:22.700 A lot of activity is also going around on the speech.

00:01:25.840 A couple of things.

00:01:26.740 Number one, and some you're going to like, and some you're going to like less.

00:01:31.840 So all this discussion, Scott Bessent, as you know, a friend of the show, one of our contributors for a couple of years, now Secretary of the Treasury.

00:01:39.440 Scott was over there and sent over about, I don't know, a minerals deal.

00:01:46.000 As you know, the position of the War Room is cut bait.

00:01:50.220 You know, I'd even forego the inquiry into how much money they stole just to get the hell out of there.

00:01:57.180 Just leave it alone.

00:01:59.760 Ukraine is jinxed.

00:02:01.140 Just leave it.

00:02:03.380 It's not called the bloodlands for nothing.

00:02:05.860 Just leave it.

00:02:06.560 Just walk away.

00:02:08.040 Let them figure it out.

00:02:10.420 But anyways, this discussion about, you know, because President Trump in Iraq and other places is saying, hey, look, if you put all this money in, all this time in, you know, at least it ought to be secured by something.

00:02:20.620 So they've been discussing these minerals.

00:02:22.460 And it's rare earths.

00:02:23.380 It's not that we don't have enough rare earths.

00:02:27.040 They have big deposits there.

00:02:28.540 China has huge deposits.

00:02:29.560 Remember, rare earths are not actually that rare.

00:02:32.200 And they're quite, I don't know, dirty, messy to do extraction and mining, all of that.

00:02:39.440 Anyway, they've got a lot of them.

00:02:41.320 So it started at 100%.

00:02:42.620 Now we're hearing there's a report, 50%, and also aid would continue.

00:02:49.600 Whoa.

00:02:51.000 No, no, aid.

00:02:51.800 Just cut bait.

00:02:52.680 There's not enough rare earths on earth they could give us for our involvement.

00:03:00.400 It's just, it's going to turn into your Vietnam. 1.00

00:03:02.940 They're already starting to call that.

00:03:03.920 Just cut bait.

00:03:04.840 Walk away.

00:03:05.280 It's always hardest to walk away given the theory of sunk cost.

00:03:08.740 Well, I've got so much in here.

00:03:09.940 Just go a little bit farther.

00:03:10.980 No.

00:03:12.020 Look at the day forward.

00:03:13.100 Forget about the past.

00:03:15.280 It's tough to do, but you have to do that in finance.

00:03:17.320 You have to do that in decision-making analysis.

00:03:19.700 Otherwise, you're always making that incremental play to stay around.

00:03:22.860 This is what Afghanistan and Iraq got. 0.99

00:03:25.740 Is this how you get into Afghanistan for 20 years?

00:03:28.160 And even worse or better, however you look at it, Zelensky's chapped that Trump has been talking to Putin and hasn't even considered it like that big a deal that Ukraine's involved in any of this, to be brutally frank.

00:03:48.740 And yesterday, the European Union, they sent, all these guys were sending these declarations, these proclamations signed by these people.

00:03:54.940 Zelensky has to be the only guy at the table or the EU should be at the table.

00:03:58.160 But Zelensky should be at the head of the table with Putin and Trump.

00:04:01.460 You can tell Trump, no, I don't know.

00:04:03.820 He's not that focused on Zelensky in Kiev.

00:04:08.420 He's got Witkoff in Moscow.

00:04:10.880 He's calling and speaking for an hour and a half.

00:04:14.380 President Trump does not talk on the phone to individuals for an hour and a half unless he's got something to talk about and something he wants to listen to.

00:04:24.460 Full stop.

00:04:25.720 He's not an hour and a half guy.

00:04:28.160 Full stop.

00:04:29.960 That little bombshell that came from him in an aside in the Oval Office.

00:04:36.580 So Zelensky's come back with Keir Starmer because Keir and the Brits, for some reason, they're obsessed with this thing.

00:04:42.800 It's like Churchill and the Balkans or Gallipoli.

00:04:45.820 You know, first you had Boris Johnson kind of kicked off this war.

00:04:48.140 Now you got Keir Starmer trying to sign 100-year treaties with him.

00:04:51.040 100-year treaties.

00:04:53.760 Dude, the way your country's going, it's going to be a fourth world country in 100 years.

00:05:00.360 So nobody's going to care.

00:05:02.720 Zelensky has come out now on tape saying Trump doesn't have a plan.

00:05:06.420 It's just Trump talking.

00:05:07.540 Trump doesn't have a plan.

00:05:08.540 There's no plan.

00:05:09.240 He hasn't thought of a plan.

00:05:10.020 President Trump does have a plan.

00:05:14.960 Bye-bye in the car-car.

00:05:17.060 He wants out.

00:05:18.900 MAGA wants out. 0.99

00:05:19.860 The United States wants out.

00:05:20.900 It's just getting out.

00:05:24.100 Remember, President Trump has nothing to do with it.

00:05:26.300 He has totally clean hands.

00:05:27.400 That's why he has a small window, a small window, to kind of say, hey, guys, pox on both your houses.

00:05:34.080 You figure it out.

00:05:35.680 The EU, you want them in so bad, you got us in here.

00:05:38.240 NATO, you want them in so bad, you got us in here. 0.86

00:05:40.240 I tell you what, we'll throw in Victoria Nuland, her husband Kagan, and a couple of draft picks out of the Biden State Department. 1.00

00:05:47.500 You pick them.

00:05:50.000 Make it three. 0.86

00:05:50.900 So, Zelensky to Trump, you have no plan.

00:05:56.700 Now, that's in Ukraine.

00:05:57.920 Now, a country we do care about and a leader we do care about is Brazil.

00:06:05.700 I want to bring in Paulo Fiergo Filho, a close associate with the Bolsonaro's, particularly the president Bolsonaro and Eduardo and a great friend of the show and a personal friend of mine.

00:06:21.140 I've been very disturbed, brother, about what's going on in Brazil and what I hear is going on in Brazil through my vast back channel.

00:06:28.340 I've been wanting to have you on, but I want to wait until it broke into the media because I didn't want, for security reasons and others, to kind of jump this story.

00:06:37.700 But now that's out in the Brazilian media, they are reporting that the Marxist Lula and the corrupt, that corrupt, insane judge, the Supreme Court judge and the prosecutor.

00:06:51.700 By the way, these guys there are beyond the Tish James level.

00:06:57.400 They're beyond the Jack Smith level.

00:07:00.800 They're beyond the Lisa Monaco level.

00:07:03.040 They're beyond the Merrick Garland.

00:07:04.400 And that tells you, in Bannon's pantheon, when you're above that, you're in with the Nazi judges. 0.57

00:07:09.860 They are working on, according to Brazilian media, sir, I guess a 26-count indictment, some sort of indictment on President Bolsonaro tied to the Lula and these guys stealing the last election.

00:07:26.720 And they're about to indict him for, what, insurrection and treason?

00:07:32.280 Is that what it is, sir?

00:07:34.540 It's for a supposed coup d'etat.

00:07:38.740 They say that Bolsonaro—but Brazil had an episode very similar to the United States January 6.

00:07:45.260 Brazil had almost the exact same thing on January 8, 2023, with a few differences.

00:07:54.980 Bolsonaro was not the president anymore on January 8, 2023, and people stormed the capital, the palace where Lula works.

00:08:08.100 But no one was there because it was a Sunday.

00:08:11.080 And Bolsonaro was actually here in the United States, in Orlando, on vacation.

00:08:16.800 So they're saying that Bolsonaro staged an attempt of coup d'etat, and he was behind it all the time.

00:08:22.740 It's very, very similar to the narrative of Trump being behind the insurrection on January 6, but it was January 8, 2023, and it was Bolsonaro behind it.

00:08:35.840 They're actually—I'm part of the people being indicted, too.

00:08:39.680 My role as a journalist is because I pretty much reported on what was going on on the behind-the-scenes of the meetings of the Joint Chiefs that were deciding what to do with Moraes, because clearly Moraes, which is the Supreme Court justice, the same guy that Elon Musk had the feud with, Moraes was totally out of control and rigged the 2022 election.

00:09:05.420 So the Joint Chiefs were deciding, well, what do we do with him?

00:09:08.400 He's actually doing a real coup, and they decided ultimately not to do anything.

00:09:15.520 But because I reported that, they said I was inciting insurrections, so they indicted me, too.

00:09:22.700 We're part of more than 40 people being indicted on this case, and the indictment should be coming out, the final report.

00:09:30.700 We have the initial police report that was released in mid-December, but the actual indictment, the chargers, are being presented, according to the Brazilian media, sometime next week, probably next Friday, according to my sources within the attorney general's office.

00:09:50.260 So the bottom line is, former President Bolsonaro should be indicted for a supposed coup d'etat in Brazil in 2023 by next Friday.

00:10:03.460 With that, a lot of people speculate they might issue a preemptive arrest warrant claiming that he represents a flight risk.

00:10:12.420 They already used that argument, stopping Bolsonaro to attend Donald Trump's inauguration.

00:10:18.380 Remember, Steve, former President Bolsonaro was among the very few leaders that Donald Trump invited himself personally to attend the inauguration, but he couldn't actually come to the United States because Mariah said he represented a flight risk, so he denied to give his passport so he could travel.

00:10:38.960 So he's stuck in Brazil.

00:10:40.880 Well, no, because the new federal state of China in War Room and Jack Posobiec in Human Events Daily and Rahim Kassam in National Pulse, we threw a huge brunch, international brunch that Sunday morning with Bolsonaro as the guest of honor.

00:10:58.560 As soon as soon as we heard about the invitation, we set the whole thing up, and we had hundreds from Alternative, from Deutschland to the Reform Party in England, Orbán's team, Italy, all over the world showed up.

00:11:13.260 The only thing missing was our guest of honor because they wouldn't allow him to come to the inauguration after being invited by President Trump.

00:11:19.580 Is that correct?

00:11:20.200 That is correct.

00:11:21.200 That is correct.

00:11:21.940 It was a beautiful brunch.

00:11:23.960 I was there, attended by several people.

00:11:26.460 His son, the congressman Eduardo Bolsonaro, was there.

00:11:30.320 The interesting thing, Steve, is that this is happening at the same time, very much like in the United States, former President Bolsonaro is leading all the polls for the election, upcoming election next year in Brazil.

00:11:45.400 Brazil is holding election against next year, and Bolsonaro is leading all the polls today.

00:11:51.100 A new poll just came out from a very leftist institute in Brazil.

00:11:56.300 I'm talking about that would be like an equivalent of a Quinnipiac or, I don't know, a morning consult poll in the United States.

00:12:03.400 This polling institute, very leftist in Brazil, just released.

00:12:07.900 Lula's approval number is now on around 25 percent, and his disapproval rate skyrocketed.

00:12:18.140 His approval rate went down 11 points since the last poll a month ago.

00:12:22.860 So the country is in pretty bad shape, inflation, public deficit, the real, the Brazilian real, which is the currency there, was the most evaluated currency on the planet in 2024.

00:12:36.940 So and people are seeing Donald Trump in the United States being very successful, and they're wondering what's going to happen to us.

00:12:44.460 So Bolsonaro is up.

00:12:46.480 Lula is down.

00:12:47.740 What are you going to do?

00:12:48.620 They're going to try to do the same thing that they tried to do in the United States, but they were not successful, which is using the courts and the lawfare to stop Bolsonaro from running.

00:13:02.420 Real quickly, just give a one or two minute summary, because you are one of the ones that you're, you know, you're the equivalent of kind of me with President Trump.

00:13:11.920 You're identified as a colleague and a senior advisor, and you're going to get indicted, too.

00:13:16.560 Walk me through just a minute or two to refresh the audience, because a couple of years ago we were covering it every day on the show, but the audience has expanded so much.

00:13:25.820 What actually happened, and what are they charging, what actually happened, and what are they saying happened to actually charge you with a coup d'etat?

00:13:35.040 So what actually happened was that Brazil has a system that's a electoral system that's a little bit different from the United States.

00:13:43.720 It's what the Democrats wish the American system was.

00:13:47.300 First of all, it's fully federalized, fully centralized under one court that runs the show.

00:13:53.560 And also, it's fully electronic.

00:13:55.980 We used to have Dominion machines.

00:13:57.540 Now they have a different brand, but it's the same principle, the same idea.

00:14:02.920 So everything—so Brazilians go on one day—that's better than the U.S., right? 1.00

00:14:07.760 One day they go in person, they type a number on a machine, and this machine sends the results to a computer.

00:14:14.260 There's no portrayal, no way to audit.

00:14:16.600 That computer is—all the data goes to a centralized mainframe on the Superior Electoral Court.

00:14:24.480 That court was presided, was chaired by this gentleman called Alexandre de Mouraes.

00:14:34.040 People might have heard this name before because he's the guy who calls the shots in Brazil.

00:14:39.500 Lula is not.

00:14:40.500 He's a socialist. 0.98

00:14:41.380 He's bad.

00:14:42.140 But he's not the de facto dictator of Brazil.

00:14:44.780 It's this guy who was the president of the Superior Electoral Court, and it's a Supreme Court justice.

00:14:49.800 He's the same guy that is in charge of this case.

00:14:53.700 So at one point, the whole country knew that the election was rigged in Brazil.

00:15:00.140 People tried demonstrations.

00:15:02.240 They tried—Bolsonaro's party tried to file lawsuits, but very similar to the United States, the courts presided by the same just didn't hear the case.

00:15:12.780 So, and then finally, ultimately, Brazil had an episode that was very similar to the January 6th of the United States, but it was January 8th.

00:15:24.340 People protested.

00:15:26.180 Maybe we have—they pulled out the security on site, and we had some people infiltrated clearly.

00:15:35.060 We now know that almost for sure, and the protests went out of control, and they used that to pretty much persecute.

00:15:44.160 They sent over 1,000 people to jail.

00:15:46.160 I'm sure this sounds very familiar because it's exactly what happened in the United States, but two years later.

00:15:51.540 And the reason why that was so familiar is that we found out, and now it's becoming very public, that the same agents that did that in the United States did that to Brazil.

00:16:00.800 The same deep state blob people from the Department of State did that to Brazil.

00:16:05.900 So, all the campaign to censor conservatives, to arrest them, all of that was financed by USAID, we're learning that, in Brazil.

00:16:16.300 So, the reason why it's so similar is because it was the same people behind it and the same ideology behind it, and they decided to use that as an excuse to charge Bolsonaro.

00:16:28.240 They made him ineligible to run again.

00:16:31.040 They're trying to imprison him.

00:16:32.540 Well, the difference is that prisons in Brazil are not the safest place on ours, so let me tell you this.

00:16:39.840 So, there's a big chance that Bolsonaro has a good reason to think that if he gets in prison, he will be assassinated in the prison.

00:16:51.200 So, with that, all the path to China is going to be open in the second largest country in our continent after the United States.

00:17:01.460 It's the most important country in the southern hemisphere, the sixth largest population in the world, producer of iron, food, energy, whatever you want.

00:17:11.820 It's a very strategic country for China.

00:17:14.320 And since Lula took office two years ago, China is taking over completely.

00:17:19.560 So, the United States was the number one trading partner of Brazil for over 200 years.

00:17:24.860 During Lula's first tenure, China became number one and the U.S. became number two.

00:17:30.140 The commerce with China skyrocketed with the U.S. started going down.

00:17:36.240 And now that Lula is back, Chinese companies are purchasing every single piece of infrastructure in Brazil.

00:17:42.660 So, just to give you an example, and I can throw you 100 of them, but a big one is that a month ago, Chinese purchased the largest uranium reserve in Brazil in the middle of the Amazon forest for almost nothing.

00:17:57.380 And they did that while Joe Biden was still the president, and the U.S. did nothing about it.

00:18:02.120 So, talk about a national security risk, a global risk.

00:18:05.400 Well, I think a huge uranium reserve on the hands of China is probably worse than the Panama Canal. 0.99

00:18:15.720 Unbelievable.

00:18:16.860 We're going to follow this one closely.

00:18:18.540 In fact, I'll talk to you tonight.

00:18:19.620 I want to get you back on tomorrow.

00:18:21.280 We're at DEFCON, let's say, two or three right now in Brazil.

00:18:26.380 No, the great leader, the Trump of the tropics, Colonel Bolsonaro, Captain Bolsonaro, the president looks like he may be indicted for coup d'etat from the stolen election last time, where they really just stood up for the rights of the Brazilian people.

00:18:44.360 Lula's a very dangerous guy, a very bad guy, but he pales in comparison to the Supreme Court justice you have and these prosecutors, their next level.

00:18:52.260 Until tomorrow, where do people go on social media?

00:18:54.740 I know you're keeping the story up 24-7 because it is one of the most important things happening in the world.

00:19:02.480 If they indict Bolsonaro and put him in prison, they're putting him in prison not because it's a flight risk, because they want him assassinated in prison.

00:19:11.840 The hemispheric defense that President Trump is talking about, we have a major problem if the Bolsonaro's and what they stand for, their movement, is not back in charge in Brazil.

00:19:22.220 Lula is a partner of the Chinese Communist Party.

00:19:25.860 And as Paulo just told us, they've got it in buying everything in sight.

00:19:31.240 And you have to keep the CCP out of the Amazon.

00:19:33.500 It's just that is a non-starter.

00:19:36.400 So there's a very big struggle down in Latin America with our allies and our friends in Brazil.

00:19:43.800 And if you think Merrick Garland and these guys, Tish James, play Smash Mouth up here, it's a whole different level down there.

00:19:50.940 And this is why it's so dangerous for President Bolsonaro because he goes in that prison.

00:19:55.720 I'm not so sure he comes out.

00:19:57.240 And I think that's what they want.

00:19:58.900 They're that afraid of the Bolsonaro movement, Eduardo and the entire family.

00:20:02.920 And quite frankly, Paulo, you and all these great patriots that are part of the inner circle of the president.

00:20:09.080 So what's your social media, sir?

00:20:10.760 We'll get back on it tomorrow morning.

00:20:13.640 It's my it's at Rio P. Figueredo, my last name at Rio P. Figueredo right there on the screen.

00:20:20.960 Thank you, brother.

00:20:21.780 We'll see you tomorrow.

00:20:23.120 Thanks, Steve.

00:20:24.120 Everybody sign up.

00:20:25.060 I want everybody following this one.

00:20:26.620 We've held back from saying anything until it kind of got more public because it's a very dangerous situation there.

00:20:33.560 And we hope and believe that the U.S. government has something to say about this because this is a bad one.

00:20:41.740 And to indict him for a coup d'etat, you can tell exactly where they're going, given the made up and phony evidence they've got.

00:20:48.780 This is one of the reasons CPAC were of a big.

00:20:50.540 So we're going to do the force multiplier.

00:20:53.080 Then we're going to roll right into the international part.

00:20:56.040 There's going to be a discussion late Wednesday afternoon.

00:21:00.600 We'll be part of it.

00:21:01.800 The force multiplier event will roll right in.

00:21:04.220 So that's why you have to go to CPAC.org slash war room.

00:21:08.440 Seventy six bucks.

00:21:10.200 Get you a ticket.

00:21:11.660 It's going to be incredible.

00:21:12.860 Going to have parties.

00:21:13.780 Going to have brunches.

00:21:15.300 You're going to have be able to meet everybody.

00:21:16.640 Come and network, network, network, network.

00:21:20.540 It's going to be it's going to be absolutely incredible and want everybody to attend.

00:21:26.680 Also, Birch Gold, take out your phone right now.

00:21:29.260 Need you to get this because Philip Patrick's going to be on tomorrow's homework assignment.

00:21:34.340 Read.

00:21:34.740 Go to Bannon.

00:21:35.860 Take your phone.

00:21:36.680 Bannon.

00:21:37.080 B-A-N-N-O-N. 1.00

00:21:38.300 9-8-9-8-9-8.

00:21:40.120 And get the brochure pamphlet.

00:21:42.740 How to invest in gold in the age of Trump.

00:21:45.440 Just read it.

00:21:46.120 Philip Patrick's going to talk about that and other things.

00:21:48.520 We talk about the convergence, converging factors in the global economy.

00:21:53.900 And I'll talk a little bit more about the budget before that happens.

00:21:59.540 Brother Brian, you're here.

00:22:01.200 Very big news.

00:22:02.220 Naomi Wolf is in.

00:22:03.300 I think she's in Finland or somewhere in the Arctic.

00:22:07.760 She's going to come in Lithuania or Latvia.

00:22:12.240 One of the Baltic nations.

00:22:13.140 She's going to join us in a moment.

00:22:16.360 I sent it to her because I said, hey, this looks like it's big.

00:22:19.340 She goes, it's massive.

00:22:20.680 Talk to me about your sub stack.

00:22:22.180 Something's happened in Louisiana that has not gotten the coverage it should get.

00:22:26.500 Both actions President Trump took.

00:22:28.540 What's going on in Louisiana.

00:22:30.180 I think this is a major victory for the forces of medical freedom here.

00:22:33.980 What is it, sir?

00:22:36.160 Yeah, absolutely.

00:22:37.240 President Trump today issued or announced that he was issuing.

00:22:42.320 I don't know if he actually signed it yet.

00:22:43.960 Actually, he did.

00:22:44.780 I just saw the video of it about a half an hour ago.

00:22:47.960 He signed an executive order pulling funding from any schools, including colleges and universities

00:22:54.500 in the United States that mandate the COVID shot.

00:22:59.200 And there are still schools doing this.

00:23:01.660 There's no K through 12 schools that actually mandate it.

00:23:04.580 It's at least not public schools.

00:23:06.860 There's no state that requires it.

00:23:08.580 However, a lot of colleges and universities have still retained this mandate, particularly

00:23:12.660 in health sciences.

00:23:13.840 So I get still to this day.

00:23:16.140 Now we're talking, you know, four years after the shot's been released.

00:23:19.300 I'm still getting calls from nursing students, medical students who say they can't even complete

00:23:25.580 their clinical rotations because they're mandated to take the COVID shot with all that we know

00:23:30.020 about the harm this has caused.

00:23:31.700 So this is a major move.

00:23:34.340 And the Louisiana Surgeon General yesterday, within hours of Bobby Kennedy being confirmed

00:23:42.100 as the Secretary for Health and Human Services, announced that Louisiana would no longer

00:23:49.940 be mandating vaccinations, would no longer be participating in Big Pharma's propaganda machine.

00:23:57.960 And that's huge for an attorney general.

00:23:59.480 Now we know Joseph Latipo, I love him.

00:24:02.940 I know him, you know, in Florida.

00:24:05.080 He's done great work.

00:24:06.220 But I hadn't heard this from other Surgeon Generals.

00:24:09.540 And we're seeing the dominoes start to fall, Steve, with this announcement, these executive

00:24:14.740 orders, with Bobby Kennedy, who's also a friend of mine now leading Health and Human Services.

00:24:21.280 This is absolutely huge.

00:24:22.840 And you're right.

00:24:23.380 It should be getting wire-to-wire coverage.

00:24:25.540 So tell me why this is big.

00:24:29.940 And when you say dominoes fall, what initiated, what's the energy in back of the first domino

00:24:36.900 falling?

00:24:37.300 Well, the energy, what initiated this was an army of parents like me, of vaccine-injured

00:24:47.340 children who have been fighting for health freedom alongside people like Bobby Kennedy

00:24:52.000 for years and years.

00:24:54.300 We fought at state houses in Albany, New York, in Hartford, Connecticut, in Trenton, New Jersey.

00:24:59.720 When I was in the Northeast there, I fought alongside Bobby for years.

00:25:05.560 And the army of mostly moms, I'm one of the few dads in health freedom, but mostly moms

00:25:10.800 got behind this and said, listen, we are going to have our voices heard.

00:25:14.660 We're not going to stop until the truth comes out about vaccinations, about big pharmas, conflicts

00:25:21.100 of interest, and what's really behind their vaccine program, which is not public health.

00:25:26.720 When you dig deeper into this, I don't care about people like Mitch McConnell talking about polio,

00:25:32.260 and he's going back 60 years, 70 years.

00:25:35.520 Listen, polio was not cured by the polio shot.

00:25:39.480 By 1963, or actually 1959 even, when the polio shot became widely available, the rates of polio

00:25:48.960 had dropped by like 80% in this country already before anyone even had access to the shot.

00:25:55.060 Clean water, sanitation, other public health measures had been put in place that almost

00:26:01.420 eradicated polio before it happened.

00:26:03.280 If you read Dissolving Illusions by Dr. Suzanne Humphrey, she talks about this, also how to end

00:26:08.500 the autism epidemic by J.B. Hanley, a friend of mine, excellent book that dives into all

00:26:13.940 of this and shows that what we've been told for years and years and years about vaccines

00:26:18.360 just isn't true.

00:26:20.080 Now, I'm not a doctor, and I'm not sitting here recommending that nobody ever get a shot.

00:26:25.060 That's your own personal decision.

00:26:27.120 But that's what the president is saying, because guess what?

00:26:29.340 President Trump, when he met with my business partner, Don Jolly, last August to discuss vaccine

00:26:36.320 mandates.

00:26:38.500 Hang on one second.

00:26:39.360 We're going to take a break.

00:26:42.300 I think that the Senate's worst nightmare, what they were worried about over the last

00:26:50.340 couple of weeks, I think their worst nightmare may have happened.

00:26:53.360 Brian Festa, Naomi Wolf's going to join us.

00:26:55.880 It's late in Latvia.

00:26:58.180 I think she's in Latvia.

00:27:00.120 She's going to join us in a second. 1.00

00:27:01.500 We're going to walk through all this.

00:27:02.500 But I think their worst nightmare is the are these vaccine deniers when they start going

00:27:07.840 after Jonas Salk and polio?

00:27:10.100 We'll drill down next in the war room.

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00:31:23.600 In the War Room, here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.

00:31:31.600 Okay, for full disclosure to our distribution partners, I don't know who Brian Festa is.

00:31:36.540 I don't know who booked him.

00:31:37.940 Jonas Salk's got the vaccine for polio.

00:31:41.900 I'm sticking by that.

00:31:44.120 I'm going to come back to you in a second, Brian.

00:31:46.200 Because what Brian Festa just laid out is literally the worst possible night.

00:31:50.560 That's the nightmare scenario for the Health and Human Services confirmation panel, Democratic side, and half of the Republicans for Bobby Kennedy.

00:32:00.480 So, Brian, hang on one second.

00:32:02.100 Naomi, you've been at this a long time.

00:32:03.620 Brian's got an amazing piece up in the substack.

00:32:06.640 Why is this a big day?

00:32:07.860 Why is the mainstream media suppressing this?

00:32:11.320 Walk me through this, because you've been fighting on this one ever since you came on the show.

00:32:16.020 Yeah, it's another big victory for the posse, I have to say.

00:32:19.580 I mean, the posse's just racking up the victories.

00:32:23.360 Well, you know, RFK Jr. literally just started his job, and the president is signaling that he's behind some of the key elements of the agenda that made RFK Jr. so threatening to the establishment and the pharma-funded establishment.

00:32:41.880 So, you know, as Mr. Festa pointed out, it's an executive order to defund educational organizations, and there are not none of them left.

00:32:52.700 There are 15 colleges and universities.

00:32:55.160 There's still, to this day, 20, 25, mandating students to get the latest COVID booster.

00:33:02.560 I mean, they are killing these kids slowly, or not so slowly, and these are, like, serious colleges.

00:33:09.460 They include colleges like Spelman, Morehouse, the historic black colleges, USF, Oberlin, Bryn Mawr, Haverford, Swarthmore.

00:33:18.120 You know, universities that definitely should know better, but they got the money to inject their students.

00:33:24.540 So it's a powerful signal from the president.

00:33:27.840 And it's also another important effect is all of these universities and schools and even the high schools pushed and pushed this vaccine on kids and young adults because of the money that they were getting from the federal government through the CARES Act, through, you know, vast sums of money to mandate children.

00:33:52.520 And, I mean, I went to a high school meeting in upstate New York where high school students were not allowed to play basketball unless they were vaccinated, and there was literally nothing in the law that said that even.

00:34:06.040 It's just that the schools were getting such buckets of money, millions of dollars, to traffic the kids' bodies, essentially, for pharma.

00:34:13.200 So what this does, in addition to protecting those students at those universities that still mandate this injection, it also kind of signals, it kind of undoes the poison of all of these millions flowing to trafficking kids.

00:34:33.100 And I think it's a shot across the bow of the pharmaceutical industry.

00:34:36.940 I recognize that President Trump can't go in, you know, guns blazing to do everything that we in the medical freedom movement think that he should do.

00:34:46.280 RFK Jr. can't either.

00:34:47.600 That's, you know, realistic.

00:34:49.060 That's politics.

00:34:50.200 However, it is a very dramatic gesture toward, like, indicating if he can do this executive order, he can do an executive order with the next insane injection that they try to mandate.

00:35:03.000 So it's, I see his method, you know, three weeks in, he rattles the cages, he scares everyone to death, and then they back off.

00:35:11.620 So it's not the end of the monster of out-of-control pharma, but it's a crack of the whip in the direction of the monster.

00:35:20.660 That's a powerful one.

00:35:21.880 And the last thing I want to say is, I think it's also incredibly symbolic in relationship to parents' rights.

00:35:28.740 And President Trump has said, you know, the White House has messaged that this is about parents' rights, which is smart.

00:35:38.060 You know, it makes it more difficult for the legacy media or Democrats in Congress to say, you know, you're a lunatic anti-vaxxer, President Trump,

00:35:49.800 because he's wrapping it in the mantle of parents get to decide, school doesn't get to decide, the state doesn't get to decide what goes into your child's body.

00:36:00.000 You are raising your child.

00:36:01.640 It's your decision as a parent.

00:36:03.260 So, powerful.

00:36:04.300 Brian, to follow up on that, you're part of this parents' rights movement, given that this is a pretty big leap for President Trump,

00:36:15.920 particularly the day after Bobby Kennedy's sworn in, in the Oval Office with President Trump observing that.

00:36:24.780 As a member of the parents' rights movement with a vaccine-injured child, what is the next step?

00:36:30.880 Where do you guys want to see this fight taken?

00:36:34.300 Well, it has to be taken to the states, and unfortunately, that's not something that President Trump and Bobby Kennedy can do by themselves, right?

00:36:44.280 As an attorney, I know, and I think, I hope most Americans know, that the states reserve powers that are not as explicitly, expressly granted to the federal government by the Constitution.

00:36:58.900 That's the Ninth and Tenth Amendments, right?

00:37:00.640 We talk about those a lot.

00:37:01.780 So, the states can still have their own mandates, and yes, he can pull federal funding, but that's even questionable because Congress holds most of the purse strings when it comes to taxing and spending power, funding agencies like the Department of Education.

00:37:17.020 That's Congress's domain, that's not really the executive branch, so it gets very murky here, whether these executive orders are even going to stand.

00:37:25.620 Do I think it's great that he's doing this?

00:37:27.940 Yes, I do.

00:37:29.100 Is President Trump anti-vaccine?

00:37:32.480 No.

00:37:33.380 And that's what I was getting to when I said he had that meeting with my business partner.

00:37:36.600 I was cleaning it up, Steve.

00:37:37.640 I was getting there.

00:37:38.820 He made it very clear that he supports vaccines for polio, for measles, for all of those things.

00:37:46.720 President Trump is very pro-vaccine in that way, but he is anti-mandate, and so is Bobby Kennedy.

00:37:53.100 Bobby Kennedy has never really been anti-vaccine.

00:37:55.880 He wants safer vaccines.

00:37:57.480 He wants them studied, but he wants them to be available for everyone.

00:38:01.140 He just doesn't want them forced on the American people.

00:38:04.640 So, Hawaii, meanwhile, the very blue state of Hawaii, just last week, passed in their public health committee a bill to eliminate religious exemptions to mandatory school vaccinations,

00:38:16.220 a bill that has already passed in states like California, New York, Connecticut, and Maine.

00:38:22.440 Those are the four states that currently don't have religious exemptions.

00:38:25.760 Now Hawaii is joining them.

00:38:27.660 And don't be surprised if Illinois, Massachusetts, New Jersey, states like that start falling in this line of these are the bad dominoes,

00:38:35.980 and start eliminating religious exemptions to school vaccinations.

00:38:38.940 Suddenly, the CDC, who they've always hailed, people like Attorney General William Tong in my former home state of Connecticut,

00:38:46.160 who has always looked to the CDC as the authority.

00:38:49.700 We must follow what the CDC says, their recommendations.

00:38:53.900 Don't be surprised if all of a sudden, now that Bobby Kennedy is at the helm, because as you know, HHS oversees the CDC.

00:39:01.080 Don't be surprised if now they're going to say, we can't trust the CDC.

00:39:04.040 We can't trust the FDA, and now we have to trust our state public health officials, which in states like Connecticut and in California, New York,

00:39:11.000 are not going to be saying vaccines should not be mandated.

00:39:17.780 Naomi, do you see it playing out that way?

00:39:19.800 Is that the sophisticated move that the tyrants are going to pull?

00:39:24.280 I definitely see Mr. Festus' point, absolutely.

00:39:30.520 And, you know, I live in one of the states where parents, whom I know, have a difficult time trying to get a religious exemption for their high school students.

00:39:39.780 He's right.

00:39:40.660 You know, the minute one door shuts at a federal level, they will try to open other doors at the state level.

00:39:46.480 And it is a very bad, as he said, a bad domino move that Hawaii is trying to circumvent that by withdrawing religious exemptions.

00:39:58.360 It's really evil.

00:39:59.380 And I don't even understand how the Constitution lets a state withdraw religious exemptions because we have freedom of religion.

00:40:06.640 And that's guaranteed by the Constitution, so I don't understand how those four states have managed to have those carve-outs.

00:40:16.660 But even states that ostensibly give religious exemptions, they can make it very, very difficult.

00:40:22.580 I mean, I remember during COVID, COVID, during COVID, many people were trying to get religious exemptions from many institutions.

00:40:30.720 And it was just a nauseating, heartbreaking drama because they were writing these heartfelt statements about how they feel, you know, from a religious perspective.

00:40:42.740 And, you know, functionaries were just rubber stamping, no, no, no, no.

00:40:46.700 And at Yale, in 2023, my alma mater, they were forcing the students to get the booster, which had been tested on eight mice, the bivalent booster, and they exempted the faculty and the administrators.

00:41:03.560 But students trying to get religious exemptions, and their press said, oh, it's fine, we give religious exemptions.

00:41:10.540 But none of the parents, I heard, had been able to secure them.

00:41:14.420 I knew, I remember, I remember when you were up there, we were covering that live, when you couldn't re-register, you couldn't go back to school.

00:41:21.540 You got in this Ivy League school, regardless of where the grades, you didn't get the shot, you had to leave, correct?

00:41:27.540 That's exactly right.

00:41:29.120 Yeah, kids were out, you know, a $6,000 tuition bill if they didn't put their bodies on the line.

00:41:38.220 One of the most evil things I've ever seen done to American college students.

00:41:42.120 Let me, I've got limited time.

00:41:45.940 I want to get to you and Brian for a go.

00:41:47.700 And I realize, Naomi, you're one of these free speech, First Amendment, transparency, radical transparency.

00:41:56.120 You like to know what's going on.

00:41:58.140 You never like to cede power to anybody because you think power corrupts and ultimate power corrupts, absolute power corrupts.

00:42:04.120 Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts, absolutely.

00:42:09.640 You've had a big problem with Elon Musk, as we have here, but you've taken it a couple of notches above.

00:42:15.180 Don't you need Doge and Elon Musk to get into to break the cartel inside of CDC and NIH and Collins?

00:42:25.780 I mean, is Bobby Kennedy, even as head of HHS, is he really going to be able to get into the guts of that thing the way that is a closed shop?

00:42:34.960 Doesn't it almost take a radical disruptor like like an Elon Musk to do it that could do more, do it quicker, do it more radically and leave and leave more trauma on these institutions, which they need in order to open them up?

00:42:52.740 Then even a Bobby Kennedy, who's kind of a little bit been boxed, and that's what the confirmation hearings are for.

00:42:59.000 If they can't defeat him, to smear him enough and to box him into a corner to kind of limit what he can do, because they come back and said, well, you promised you weren't going to do that.

00:43:07.380 Don't you actually need an Elon Musk type on this or do you not, ma'am?

00:43:12.820 I mean, theoretically, sure.

00:43:14.900 And thank you so much for amplifying a fight with the richest and probably one of the most powerful men in the world.

00:43:22.980 Now I'm terrified, but it is true.

00:43:25.280 I wrote an essay pointing out how very, very worried I am about the way it's not it's not that Elon Musk shouldn't get in there and root out corruption and advise the president about what he thinks should be cut.

00:43:40.920 You know, what is malfeasance, what is fraud, what is waste?

00:43:45.580 Of course he should.

00:43:46.520 That's exactly what he should do.

00:43:48.140 And other people, other special advisors to the president have had similar roles.

00:43:52.900 And sure, being a technologist theoretically lets him get through those data sets more quickly.

00:44:00.520 But I'm a CEO of a tech company and my company deals with government data sets and APIs exactly like the content that Elon Musk is looking at.

00:44:09.960 And I know and I showed in my essay that what's really scary isn't that he went in there and reviewed it.

00:44:17.460 It's the way he did it without basic cybersecurity precautions in such a way that the data could be changed.

00:44:27.760 The data could be breached.

00:44:30.240 There there were people there.

00:44:32.220 There were not clear conflict of interest resolutions that came back to bite them.

00:44:36.660 You know, just today, as it as I believe the White House pulled back against a four hundred million dollar sale of defense equipment with Tesla.

00:44:49.440 There there are NDAs as CEO of a company.

00:44:52.340 I don't understand how Musk can have be CEO or lead six companies.

00:44:56.440 And, you know, the cloud computing guy can have a cloud computing company and there's no conflict of interest.

00:45:02.820 Like the data sets are so vast, Steve, that they're looking at.

00:45:07.240 And the allegiances that they owe to their own shareholders are so immense that there is no way, you know, with I believe the president has the best intentions.

00:45:16.960 But you can't know that there are no conflicts of interest.

00:45:19.600 But really, the cybersecurity issues, which many independent, nonpartisan cybersecurity publications were horrified about, are what really scare me.

00:45:30.980 And lastly, I really want people to realize that AI isn't neutral.

00:45:35.360 You know, if if if if the government is pared down by Elon Musk and handed over to Elon Musk's AI, right, not our AI, it could mean that there's no one to there's no accountability.

00:45:48.880 There's no one to sue if your rights are violated.

00:45:51.640 You know, if AI censors you, you can't who who are you going to go to court against?

00:45:57.200 Right. I mean, the the theft of the how can I put it?

00:46:01.960 Absorption of all of our personal sensitive data, it could could have been out the door during that weekend in which Elon Musk and his six very young engineers were.

00:46:12.940 So if you had so if you're if you're faced with a stark choice to let Doge go in and take a blunt force instrument to NIH, Dr.

00:46:22.980 Collins, all of them that cabal or just to pass because you are concerned about privacy issues and data and all the things you just laid out.

00:46:31.960 What's your choice, ma'am?

00:46:34.600 No, that's if you know, I love you to bits, but that's totally a false choice.

00:46:39.280 That's not those are not the only two choices.

00:46:41.880 Steve Bannon would get hold it.

00:46:43.380 You're saying Steve Bannon would give somebody a false choice on war.

00:46:47.920 So what? OK, what is the choice then?

00:46:50.780 The choice is to do it legally and securely.

00:46:54.320 And that's better for the president, too, because then it's not going to be undone by the courts.

00:46:58.960 I mean, those people who tried to stop Elon Musk from going in without normal cybersecurity oversight, they were doing their jobs for the American people.

00:47:11.220 Everyone loves to hate the government, but do it securely.

00:47:15.460 Do with independent oversight.

00:47:17.400 Do it without conflicts of interest.

00:47:20.060 Do it with NDAs, which we don't know if they've signed.

00:47:22.940 Do it with non-competes, which we don't.

00:47:24.440 You don't you don't believe that you don't believe that although the guys at Treasury are trying to stop getting maybe potential personal information.

00:47:31.460 You don't believe that was just the deep state in the administrative state protecting themselves from someone who was going to expose their corruption, ma'am?

00:47:40.280 Um, I can't know until there's an investigation.

00:47:44.240 But I do know that normal cybersecurity steps were not taken from what I read.

00:47:50.900 I laid it out very clearly.

00:47:52.340 I interviewed cybersecurity experts.

00:47:54.440 There are cybersecurity experts over the world who are appalled.

00:47:57.860 And it's because once our data is out the door, there's no getting it back.

00:48:03.260 And it's not trivial.

00:48:05.080 You know, all of us could.

00:48:07.680 Like, why is the cloud guy there?

00:48:09.540 What do you need a cloud?

00:48:10.420 If you need a cloud to hold data, right?

00:48:13.480 I mean, do I need to explain?

00:48:15.680 Maybe I need to explain more clearly why this is such a serious risk.

00:48:19.660 But we don't.

00:48:20.900 Well, I tell you what we ought to do first.

00:48:23.120 Yeah, I tell you what we ought to do first.

00:48:24.100 Let's get everybody access.

00:48:26.140 Where do they go to your substact?

00:48:27.800 Let's read the piece first.

00:48:29.100 So people are up to speed and then we'll have you back on and break it down in more detail.

00:48:33.760 I was trying to put you on the spot with the choice.

00:48:36.260 You didn't take the bait, though, Wolf.

00:48:37.880 You didn't take the bait.

00:48:39.140 Pretty good.

00:48:39.680 Pretty well trained.

00:48:41.080 Not my first rodeo, Steve. 0.99

00:48:42.720 I'm not going to go for the balls. 0.99

00:48:44.100 Is that your first? 0.99

00:48:45.840 Okay.

00:48:46.480 Social media and where they go get your substact to get this piece so we can all read it.

00:48:51.300 It's called The Sack of Rome.

00:48:55.580 And it's on the stack, which is called Outspoken.

00:49:01.440 The Sack of Rome by the Visigoths. 0.97

00:49:04.920 Ma'am, thank you so much.

00:49:06.040 Naomi Wolf, thank you.

00:49:07.080 Thank you for staying up well past midnight in Lithuania.

00:49:13.680 Lithuania, yeah.

00:49:14.760 One of my besties was put up to be the ambassador to Lithuania as a Navy admiral.

00:49:21.240 Really?

00:49:21.380 He was one of the guys McConnell hated so much.

00:49:23.460 Yeah, well, he was Sonny Masso, great, great Admiral Sonny Masso, and a great naval officer.

00:49:28.840 And McConnell hated all the—this is how McConnell plays.

00:49:31.800 He hated all of Trump's, like, third tier—the third wave of ambassadors we put up were pure MAGA.

00:49:37.380 He hated him so much.

00:49:38.500 I don't think any of them ever got a vote.

00:49:40.900 It was like Michael Pack.

00:49:41.880 This thing dragged on for years, like three—no, McConnell's a bad guy.

00:49:44.920 Naomi, we've got to bounce.

00:49:45.960 We'll read it.

00:49:46.600 We'll read The Sack of Rome, and we'll get you back on to walk through it, okay?

00:49:50.180 Thank you so much.

00:49:51.000 Thank you, Steve.

00:49:53.200 Brian, if you had one recommendation to the president, now you had a big day, a very big day, when it comes to medical freedom.

00:50:00.100 What do you recommend—we've got about a minute—what do you recommend his next step is?

00:50:05.120 Well, absolutely extending it beyond just COVID shot mandates and trying—again, I don't know.

00:50:13.580 It depends on how it's written, whether it will hold constitutional muster, depending on how he writes the EO,

00:50:19.080 but extending it to state religious exemptions because states like Connecticut, New York, California, and Maine,

00:50:25.540 and soon-to-be Hawaii, that do not have religious exemptions to opt out.

00:50:30.340 Those are the only states in the nation that don't allow children, but that's a lot of children, millions.

00:50:34.840 In New York state alone, and California, you're talking about two of the three most populous states in the United States.

00:50:41.620 And kids can't opt out of vaccinations for religious reasons.

00:50:45.460 They can do it in all the other states, but not in those four states.

00:50:48.620 And, you know, President Trump, I would hope, would send a strong message to those states about their funding,

00:50:55.180 their educational funding, if they choose to continue to deny educational rights to children in those states.

00:51:03.860 Brian, what's your social media? Where do people go to follow you?

00:51:06.440 So, We the Patriots USA, on X, it's at WTPatriotsUSA.

00:51:12.620 And my sub-stack that you were so kind enough to share with Naomi and to have me on today is called Free the Law.

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00:51:24.200 And I try to, you know, publish as much of this information and legal updates as possible.

00:51:29.880 We're already preparing, Steve, a lawsuit to fight this bill in Hawaii.

00:51:35.180 If this passes, we're going to have a federal lawsuit filed within two or three days.

00:51:40.680 Wow. Fantastic. Great work.

00:51:43.780 Thanks, Steve. Have a good night.

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Bannon's War Room - February 15, 2025

WarRoom Battleground EP 708： Bringing Populism To Brazil; Health Freedom

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