Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 711： Mainstream Implosion Over Bongino Appointment; The Overreach Of Lawfare Against American Citizens

00:00:00.000 Donald Trump has tapped a podcaster and right-wing media personality who once said this,

00:00:14.400 quote, my entire life right now is owning the libs.

00:00:18.240 That person is named Dan Bongino.

00:00:21.700 He will be the deputy director of the FBI, the number two at the country's top law enforcement agency.

00:00:27.400 It is a job that does not require Senate confirmation, not that Republicans have had any objection to any of Trump's picks anyway.

00:00:35.000 But if you're not familiar with Bongino, here's a small sampling of the things he's had to say over the years. 0.56

00:00:42.280 Trump is an apex predator.

00:00:44.380 He's the Lion King.

00:00:45.820 Trump went out there tonight and did what Trump does.

00:00:48.200 He's the shark in the ocean and he acted like it.

00:00:50.220 He lost no one from his base.

00:00:52.800 No one.

00:00:53.240 Shame on us if we don't enter the legal profession and start to pull people out of the DOJ.

00:00:58.340 I have no problem with Donald Trump investigating Jack Smith either.

00:01:01.300 And you shouldn't either.

00:01:02.420 Jack Smith doesn't have a pardon. 1.00

00:01:03.920 What happened yesterday with President Trump and the targeting of him and his attorneys by this piece of human scum, 0.96

00:01:11.420 all of these people targeting him in the Justice Department that have forfeited any semblance of allegiance and fidelity to the Constitutional Republic. 0.98

00:01:19.480 I do not need power drunk pseudo monarchs, little mini tyrants in my supposedly conservative county, though, 0.99

00:01:30.400 sending out ridiculous childlike amateur hour edicts demanding people wear masks in situations where the risk of transmission is somewhat close to zero. 0.98

00:01:40.480 You can take your mask mandate and shove it right up your a**. 0.97

00:01:46.640 The karate man, I never thought I'd have to use it in real life. 0.97

00:01:54.420 But guess.

00:01:56.940 Reminds me of like the House of Fame.

00:01:59.060 Remember Guess Who's Back by House of Fame?

00:02:01.040 Geraldo's back.

00:02:01.720 He wants to fight me again.

00:02:03.460 Why does this guy always want to fight me?

00:02:05.400 Why does everybody always want to fight Dan Bongino?

00:02:09.560 Why?

00:02:10.300 Why does everybody want to fight me all the time?

00:02:12.820 Do I have a punchable face or something?

00:02:16.960 Hmm.

00:02:18.520 The conspiracy theories, the outrage, the tightness of the T-shirts, all of it surely floats Donald Trump's boat and his music to his ears.

00:02:28.160 It's likely part of the very essence of the reason he was selected.

00:02:32.120 But the job of deputy director of the FBI in the United States of America is a serious job that affects every person living here, people around the world.

00:02:40.480 It's the kind of job that has to be done well by whomever does it.

00:02:43.800 If the Bureau stands any chance of actually catching real bad guys.

00:02:48.620 As the Washington Post reports, quote, the deputy director answers to the director, serving as the agency's second in command responsible for day-to-day law enforcement operations and all of the FBI's domestic and international investigative and intelligence activities.

00:03:02.680 The FBI has 55 field offices, 60 offices abroad, 38,000 staff, staffers in the budget of $10 billion.

00:03:12.220 Managing the day-to-day affairs of the FBI is a serious responsibility.

00:03:16.840 And traditionally, that post of deputy director of the FBI has gone to a career FBI agent.

00:03:23.820 In fact, the FBI agents association says that in a meeting in January before Kash Patel was confirmed, they told Patel this, quote,

00:03:32.440 the FBI deputy director should continue to be an onboard active special agent.

00:03:37.500 This has been the case for 117 years for many compelling reasons.

00:03:42.220 Including operational expertise and experience, as well as the trust of our special agent population.

00:03:48.800 According to the FBI agents association at the time, Kash Patel agreed and said that the job should go to a career FBI agent.

00:03:57.280 Now, Patel either changed his mind or was overruled, but he's given an already wary workforce, another reason to be suspicious and distrustful of him.

00:04:07.200 And the FBI now has at its helm what the New York Times describes this way, quote,

00:04:11.840 the least experienced leadership pair in the Bureau's history.

00:04:15.940 Donald Trump's choice of a pro-Trump podcaster to be the number two at the FBI is where we start today.

00:04:21.880 At the time, it was domestic violent extremism.

00:04:24.740 And inside that bucket, by far the largest group of people were white supremacists.

00:04:31.500 What happened to those threats and how how might people who are so closely aligned with Donald Trump respond to that?

00:04:43.480 Well, I think we are seeing that with respect to the January 6th investigations and the January 6th defendants is just one microcosm.

00:04:53.220 And I'm just to be clear, I'm not saying that every January 6th defendant is a white supremacist or, for that matter, a domestic terrorist.

00:05:00.980 But the message that's being sent is that the people who are criminals, adjudicated criminals of serious offenses are set free and pardoned.

00:05:11.620 And the people who investigated January 6th, which we all saw before our eyes, was something that was, at the time it happened, had bipartisan condemnation, including eventually by President Trump himself,

00:05:27.880 you know, half-hearted, but at least he sort of forced himself to say the words, but certainly on the Hill was condemned.

00:05:36.320 The people who investigated that at the FBI are now sort of the hunted.

00:05:42.400 This is so backwards.

00:05:46.920 It is it is to me, it is just remarkable what is happening to this country.

00:05:51.420 The fine point of what is going to happen, Nicole, is I think that nothing is going to happen to domestic terrorists who are aligned with and support the policies of the Trump administration.

00:06:07.060 I think that you will see targeting of groups that are considered sort of on the sort of so-called liberal side, sort of the Antifa, Black Lives Matter movements.

00:06:20.000 Now, granted, obviously, if they violate the law and they engage in violent conduct, they should be targeted.

00:06:25.080 But I don't think you're going to see an equal sort of hand here in terms of how people are treated for conduct, not their First Amendment views.

00:06:37.040 You see how Dan Bongino, who's a friend and a colleague, fellow podcaster, you know, streaming media, and Dan's, I've known Dan since he did the congressional runs back when he just left the Secret Service.

00:06:57.520 Dan, Dan, to them, Dan Bongino makes, makes Cash look like Judge Webster.

00:07:06.700 They're quoting Cash, but now has Cash agreed that it should be a life for me?

00:07:11.800 They're making Cash look like the, the, the, the essence of probity.

00:07:15.760 Because Bongino's there as the, as the deputy, remember, the deputy runs the building.

00:07:23.120 President Trump could not have sent a stronger signal that he wants major changes over the FBI.

00:07:31.000 You put Cash Patel, you put Dan Bongino, you got Emil Bovee, and you got Pam Bondi at Justice.

00:07:42.020 And, you know, you're ready to rock and roll.

00:07:45.400 Things are going to happen.

00:07:46.420 You saw Weissman, too, pivoting that, hey, as soon as Biden got in, you know, the number one threat of the FBI was domestic terrorism.

00:07:54.840 That would be you.

00:07:56.060 Anybody that questioned the 2020 election would be you.

00:07:59.840 There's a report coming out of Brazil, in fact, I'll get to later, that the questioning of the stolen election of Bolsonaro, which he's been indicted for,

00:08:08.380 and I guess they're, they're very different, their, their trials already kind of started on a coup d'etat,

00:08:14.720 that they were also looking to target yours truly, Stephen K. Bannon in the war room and others,

00:08:22.960 media personalities on the right, like Tucker Carlson, who, who questioned Lula's victory, the stolen victory of Lula.

00:08:31.920 Well, hey, yo, Brazilians, I ain't, I wasn't afraid of Nancy Pelosi or the crooked justice system here.

00:08:40.200 I'm certainly not afraid of you guys, a bunch of Marxists down in Brazil who are going to be swept away here quite quickly

00:08:46.900 and imprisoned, I think, for many, many decades, particularly the chief justice, the, that court is the most corrupt thing.

00:08:55.260 I haven't seen a court like that since the Nazi courts in the 1930s or the Moscow show trials.

00:09:02.040 Neil Pinkston joins us, a lawyer, a couple things, and in fact, I want to play, Neil, first off, Neil, you're in the law profession.

00:09:09.820 When you hear people like Cash Patel and Dan Bongino selected by President Trump to head up the largest law enforcement and counterintelligence,

00:09:19.360 because, remember, the CIA supposedly is not supposed to do anything domestically, it's all the FBI.

00:09:24.100 From someone in the legal profession, particularly, you've been very involved in the Jeremy Brown situation.

00:09:30.160 You're very involved in this Appalachia situation with Tyler Burlage.

00:09:36.100 What does it mean to you as a lawyer when you hear that President Trump selecting disruptors

00:09:40.260 into the, into what's been heretofore referred to as the nation's premier law enforcement operation, sir?

00:09:49.360 Well, sir, first, thanks for having me, but I think the term disruptors is misleading to the public.

00:09:59.660 I'm a former prosecutor, elected district attorney, and the thing that the president has done

00:10:05.440 and those in his cabinet in law enforcement that he's chosen is that they understand that the prosecutor's

00:10:12.100 duty's role is to seek justice, not to seek victories through political ends.

00:10:17.640 And I think any time you have someone in charge, and particularly the president of the United States,

00:10:23.820 that wants prosecutors to focus on facts and law and justice, then that's a good thing for all Americans.

00:10:33.400 So, Neil, tell me about that.

00:10:34.820 As a former prosecutor, do you think the wheels kind of came off in the last, last four or five years?

00:10:41.820 I mean, you know, I'm not privy to a lot of the private information that those agencies have,

00:10:49.660 but I think it's been made very clear in the last administration, apparently, in particular,

00:10:56.680 that the law enforcement seem to investigate based upon political bias and not facts and law.

00:11:04.760 And any time that you do that, any citizen is subjected to wrongful prosecution,

00:11:11.360 and our Constitution and forefathers would not stand for that.

00:11:20.360 Let's talk about Tyler first.

00:11:22.280 It's one that, you know, Ben Burquam went down to Apple, you know,

00:11:27.520 the parts of western North Carolina, east Tennessee, parts of Virginia, Georgia,

00:11:31.800 in the mountains down there, and it was devastated.

00:11:35.400 President Trump has now stepped up, the FEMA guys are hitting it, etc.

00:11:38.520 But it was horrible, and some of the broadcasts we had there was terrible.

00:11:42.820 And, of course, we had several individuals that opened up their stores,

00:11:46.320 opened up these campgrounds, they'd set up these refuges to help folks.

00:11:52.180 One of them was Tyler.

00:11:53.700 Then the next thing we know, Tyler's in, and he called out some local officials.

00:11:57.400 He called out state officials, he called out FEMA,

00:11:59.400 he also called out a couple, three local guys.

00:12:01.160 Next thing we know, he's in jail without bail, and it just raised questions.

00:12:08.060 Can you get us up to date on exactly what's happening?

00:12:10.400 He's been charged with some passing worthless check cases.

00:12:15.500 But it's very important to remember, again, he's just been accused.

00:12:19.180 He's not been deemed guilty.

00:12:22.000 And I think we will find that in his cases,

00:12:25.320 the correct procedure to charge someone with this type of crime wasn't followed.

00:12:29.480 And any errors, as far as bookkeeping went, were inadvertent.

00:12:35.780 And I think it's very important to note about Tyler and everything he attempted to do

00:12:41.540 for those in Appalachia that were destroyed by the hurricane and got no federal attention,

00:12:47.700 and through no federal attention, essentially got no state attention.

00:12:50.800 And he shed some light on that through your forum and others.

00:12:57.500 And the issue, though, is that he told the truth about the situation that was going on in Appalachia.

00:13:04.800 And coming from people, ancestors from Appalachia have lots of respect for his willingness to stand up

00:13:12.540 for the people of Appalachia.

00:13:14.240 But also we're trying to raise some money restitution for these checks.

00:13:19.620 Maybe we can get those paid off in lieu of any further obligations on his behalf.

00:13:28.360 Well, are they still – I mean, it seems pretty heavy-handed.

00:13:32.080 Yeah, it is.

00:13:33.100 Because how are you supposed to make the money to pay the checks?

00:13:35.220 So why is he in jail for this situation?

00:13:38.900 Apparently, the judge indicated he violated conditions of bond release by a new check,

00:13:47.780 written a new check that wasn't valid.

00:13:50.320 However, that check was written during the same time as the others.

00:13:54.700 And there's a process that you have to go through to notify someone to make good on a check

00:13:59.520 if it's deemed not valid.

00:14:01.960 And none of that was followed in this situation.

00:14:03.880 And we see that as an absolute defense for Mr. – for Tyler.

00:14:09.380 But also he's worked with these people many, many times and is well-known and a value to the community.

00:14:16.300 And I think things just got out of hand based upon what light he may have shed on the reality of Appalachia at that time.

00:14:26.120 So how do – I'm going to have you hold for Jeremy.

00:14:29.060 But if for anybody who wants additional information or to assist Tyler, where do they go, Neil?

00:14:35.940 You know, I think, Ben, with your form, they have a go fund for Tyler, Tyler Burleson.

00:14:44.060 It's popping up their legal fund.

00:14:45.900 And that will – that we hope goes, as I said, if there are any checks left not made whole,

00:14:52.480 to complete those and let Tyler back out and live and be the productive American citizen that we know he is.

00:15:00.960 Okay.

00:15:01.920 Now, hang on.

00:15:02.660 We're going to play another clip.

00:15:03.700 Thank you, Neil, for that one.

00:15:04.520 We're going to play another clip.

00:15:05.340 You know, we're trying to get pretty involved in helping these J6 guys sort out the adjudication or getting to the bottom of what happened to them 0.97

00:15:14.160 and why they were locked up and what happened when they were locked up because a lot of this is unacceptable in addition about getting up on their feet.

00:15:22.440 But I want to play this clip, and I want to bring Neil back.

00:15:25.340 Let's go and play it from this afternoon's MSNBC.

00:15:27.540 Like pattern like that before, just targeting of DOJ employees or FBI employees or whoever is sort of, you know,

00:15:34.840 on their list of people that they don't like, even if they're not able to prove these underlying conspiracy theories,

00:15:40.620 they'll find some nugget that they can sort of blow up and make into this sort of media circus

00:15:44.320 and have a lot of willing participants on that on Capitol Hill and sort of just stir up some sort of controversy around that

00:15:51.380 and purport to have found something that was untoward or wrong, right?

00:15:56.820 So I think that that's probably what we can expect, that, you know, even if they're going to go in and say,

00:16:00.860 oh, okay, actually the FBI didn't set up January 6th, for example,

00:16:04.720 they'll find some communication that they're just going to zero in on and blow that up into a big scandal,

00:16:09.740 and you'll have a lot of Republicans on the Hill who will be, you know, willing to go along with that.

00:16:14.160 There's just so many threads that they've thrown out there about January 6th itself

00:16:18.160 because their counter-narrative has been changing over the course of these several years,

00:16:22.800 where initially we went from a universe where there was pretty widespread agreement

00:16:26.360 that January 6th was bad, to we went to this whole different, you know, universe that we live in now,

00:16:31.780 where even though polling shows that most Americans oppose the pardons for really violent January 6th offenders,

00:16:37.220 there's still this enormous contingent of Americans who believe sort of just patently absurd

00:16:41.240 and ridiculous conspiracy theories about January 6th itself. 0.60

00:16:44.100 And that's, I think, what they're going to be exploiting or finding something to sort of feed the beast

00:16:48.240 to bring to the president and say, hey, look what we found, and blow it up into a big media event.

00:16:52.860 I just think that's kind of inevitable what we're going to see coming down the line.

00:16:58.440 Remember that. We'll play that. We're going to run the sprockets off that one.

00:17:02.200 Patently absurd. Patently absurd.

00:17:05.800 This is from the good offices of NBC News and MSNBC.

00:17:09.740 By the way, MSNBC had a house clearing today, much more than Joy Ann Reid.

00:17:14.720 We'll talk about this at the bottom of the break.

00:17:16.380 Neil, you saw that the narrative on J6 is 180 shifted.

00:17:23.280 You're involved in with Jeremy Brown.

00:17:26.340 What's the story there?

00:17:28.040 Why is he not out of jail?

00:17:30.140 Can you just give people the details?

00:17:31.660 Folks are confused at CPAC this weekend and why he was not there.

00:17:35.720 It's not as confusing or complex as possible.

00:17:39.580 But let's start with the idea that originally Mr. Brown was approached to be a paid informant.

00:17:47.380 He refused to do that.

00:17:49.140 He was then investigated by the FBI and others based upon his activities of January the 6th.

00:17:57.540 And from that, he was charged in the District of Columbia Federal Court.

00:18:01.500 That case has been dismissed.

00:18:02.760 He was charged in the Middle District of Florida for possession of devices that run afoul of federal law.

00:18:10.960 He was convicted in that case.

00:18:13.880 He's being held, apparently, on that case because someone, we're not sure where in the line of communication,

00:18:21.380 feels that the pardon issued by President Trump for Mr. Brown and other J6ers doesn't apply in the fact that it wasn't on January 6th or maybe wasn't at the Capitol. 0.99

00:18:36.700 But if you read the pardon, it's events related to.

00:18:39.960 And in the government's appellate brief and in some of their search warrant affidavit,

00:18:46.480 they talk about January 6th related activities leading to a search of his residence in the Middle District of Florida.

00:18:53.800 So everyone is very clear that it was January 6th related.

00:18:59.920 Somehow he gets transferred to federal prison in Atlanta.

00:19:04.100 I file on his behalf a habeas corpus.

00:19:06.840 Essentially, he's being held through an illegal judgment since he was pardoned.

00:19:12.240 One of his former D.C. counsel, Carol Stewart, is fighting not only for him but Elias Constantinus about getting cases removed.

00:19:22.300 And as of yet, we were told he was being released today.

00:19:26.940 I have contacted the U.S. Attorney's Office in Atlanta and in Tampa,

00:19:32.100 and they're supposed to get back with me on whether he is being released or not.

00:19:36.840 And we still await their response on the habeas petition on why he's being held.

00:19:42.340 Neil, here's the one, here's the reason I think Jeremy Brown's case sticks on a lot of people's craw.

00:19:51.760 And just work with me here for a second.

00:19:54.380 He's a veteran, right, a warrior for this country.

00:19:58.800 They approached him and made an offer to him to be a paid informant.

00:20:04.880 And he said, not no, but F no.

00:20:10.240 I will never do that.

00:20:12.140 Next thing you know, they're trying to roll him up.

00:20:15.760 And now, after everybody's been released on President Trump's pardon,

00:20:19.400 it looks like they're going out of their way on payback on this guy.

00:20:23.960 Am I wrong in the direction of this story?

00:20:26.300 Here's a guy that served his country, very patriotic.

00:20:29.000 They approach him on being an informant and then a paid informant.

00:20:32.860 He says, no, no chance.

00:20:34.660 Then it looks like vindictively they come back.

00:20:38.240 They got these charges.

00:20:39.520 And then when President Trump pardons everybody,

00:20:42.840 they've gone out of their way to either slow walk it or, quite frankly,

00:20:46.580 what concerns me, try to keep him in indefinitely.

00:20:49.940 Am I too far off base there?

00:20:52.540 No, I don't think you're too far off base.

00:20:54.320 If you look at the BOP.gov, his actual release date is not listed until December of 2027.

00:21:02.160 His case is really no different.

00:21:04.120 We just need someone with the courage to say that the pardon applies and to release him.

00:21:10.780 Because the other thing that I would argue is that the pardon is an executive power privilege

00:21:17.840 exclusively held by the president.

00:21:19.480 And it's not for someone else to interpret that because that would vacate some of his executive power.

00:21:29.200 Neil, how can people find out more about the Jeremy situation?

00:21:33.540 You can find it on X.

00:21:36.860 Who is Jeremy Brown?

00:21:38.460 Or just search Jeremy Brown's name.

00:21:40.880 You can do it online through any viable search engine.

00:21:44.400 And you will find all types of information about Mr. Brown and those such as yourself, myself, and others

00:21:50.980 who are trying to figure out and get him released as he should be.

00:21:56.340 Now, Neil, how did a former prosecutor, you pick up, it seems to me, you get involved in a lot of things like this.

00:22:05.640 Why is that?

00:22:06.880 You know, folks that need help, it looks like they're kind of on the down and out.

00:22:10.140 Or guys like Jeremy Brown, the people don't run and try to help.

00:22:14.320 Why do you go from a former prosecutor to a guy that takes on, you know, some of these shaggy dog clients? 1.00

00:22:20.220 I think that when I was a prosecutor, I had sometimes a reputation for taking on unpopular causes.

00:22:30.400 And as I said before, lawyers seek justice.

00:22:35.040 And in this case, there are justice that needs to be sought.

00:22:39.360 And I'm also one that understands where the prosecution comes from.

00:22:44.280 So I'm able to help people understand both sides of the situation.

00:22:48.500 And I think based upon that, that's why I get involved in, you know, it's, I enjoy challenges and trying to help these people that should be helped.

00:22:59.800 And because you definitely take on challenges.

00:23:03.240 Go ahead.

00:23:04.720 I'll mention one last thing, too, to think about with Jeremy Brown is many prosecutors offices across this nation have what they call conviction, conviction, integrity units.

00:23:16.500 And if a conviction isn't integrous, if it doesn't stand, then it should be vacated.

00:23:21.680 We know that's the same situation with Mr. Brown.

00:23:25.240 And so if that same philosophy applies in other crimes of murder, rape, armed robbery, whatever, that we've seen convictions overturned or vacated,

00:23:36.280 that legal philosophy is no different, no matter who it is or what they have alleged to have committed.

00:23:44.220 And we know Mr. Brown has a presidential pardon and should not be held in custody.

00:23:51.920 Neil, how do people track you down?

00:23:54.200 Where do they go?

00:23:54.660 Social media, website, law offices, where do they go?

00:23:57.660 It's NeilPinkstonLaw.com, and that's Neil, as it's spelled on the screen, N-E-A-L-PinkstonLaw.com.

00:24:08.260 I'm in Chattanooga, Tennessee.

00:24:12.400 Well, God bless you, sir.

00:24:13.560 You've taken on some good causes.

00:24:14.800 We appreciate you.

00:24:16.140 Thank you, Brian.

00:24:16.980 I can help you anyway.

00:24:18.000 Let me know.

00:24:20.160 Thank you, sir.

00:24:20.820 We spent time with some of the J6ers, had an opportunity to, and we're going to, we're trying to get help, get that a little more organized. 1.00

00:24:30.380 But you hear some of the stories of what these men and women went through.

00:24:37.780 It's pretty, it's pretty shocking.

00:24:40.220 There's some horrific, horrific examples.

00:24:42.660 And you have to ask yourself, and this is what Pam Bondi, Emil Bovee, right, Todd Blanche over at Maine Justice, you're going to have folks at the Southern District cleaning out that rat's nest.

00:24:57.180 You already got Ed Martin, the great Ed Martin, Phyllis Schlafly, headed up Phyllis Schlafly's organization for years, and I'm so proud of Ed.

00:25:03.500 I remembered he was a lawyer, but he was really running the Schlafly organization for so long, I'd go out there and give the speeches and work with those folks and just thought the world of her she was in.

00:25:14.240 I think her last film she made was a film I made that she was a big part of, one of the stars in, Fire from the Heartland.

00:25:22.720 Extraordinary woman.

00:25:23.520 He ran that organization.

00:25:25.020 I knew as a lawyer, I didn't know how great a lawyer he is.

00:25:28.480 He's lighting up Washington, D.C.

00:25:30.920 I mean, he's a brother on fire.

00:25:34.420 You see what's happening in the FBI.

00:25:37.380 Like I said, Dan Bongino makes cash look like Judge Webster.

00:25:44.300 It's President Trump sending a signal.

00:25:46.580 He wants it shaken up.

00:25:48.040 And Neil just made the case.

00:25:48.980 He says, hey, what we really, they're not disruptors.

00:25:51.320 They're really taking it back.

00:25:52.680 The default position has got to be a search for justice.

00:25:56.100 You haven't had that in this weaponization.

00:25:58.840 Just absolutely incredible.

00:26:00.900 Then you have situations like Jeremy Brown.

00:26:03.040 This gets back to the resistance.

00:26:06.120 This is the weaponization of the legal system still against President Trump's followers and believers.

00:26:14.160 What gets me about Brown the most is that they went to him to be a government informant.

00:26:20.040 He just goes, I'm not going to do that.

00:26:22.460 I'm not going to do that.

00:26:23.420 Not on the J6 guys. 0.98

00:26:24.860 I will never do that.

00:26:26.120 And that's when they came after him.

00:26:27.920 And now they're still having payback on him.

00:26:30.440 It's 100% what it is.

00:26:32.400 And defiance of President Trump.

00:26:35.040 And defiance of President Trump.

00:26:36.480 We need you at the Ramparts.

00:26:39.880 Not today.

00:26:40.660 They're working through the budget.

00:26:41.700 Everybody, we got work to do.

00:26:44.340 Maybe later this week.

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00:31:38.640 War Room.

00:31:39.540 Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:31:46.100 Okay.

00:31:46.780 Let me get this to my crack team.

00:31:48.620 Welcome back.

00:31:49.260 Like I told you, I'm really proud of University of Arkansas finance professor in discussion today with Philip Patrick saying he's assigning it to his students.

00:32:00.020 So you're getting like a free college course?

00:32:03.820 Undergraduate.

00:32:04.320 I actually say that if you watch the War Room for a year, it's like getting a course in kind of an MBA.

00:32:11.500 At least general management and the geopolitics and the political economy, they used to call it.

00:32:16.600 The political economy.

00:32:19.260 It was a course you used to have a take.

00:32:21.260 I would call it now capital markets and geopolitics.

00:32:25.500 The budget's getting pretty hammered.

00:32:28.720 They're supposed to, I think, give some details tonight.

00:32:30.500 Now, look, you're going to have a lot of nomenclature come out in the next 24 hours.

00:32:34.300 Just remember, when you hear these massive cuts, Elon and the budget guys are talking two separate things.

00:32:40.760 When Elon talks, when he talks about Doge finding waste, fraud, and abuse, and they got these things, and he talks about taking a trillion dollars, he's talking the way you should talk on an annual budget that is about six and a half or seven trillion dollars.

00:32:54.680 First, removing a trillion dollars of cost, therefore cutting the deficit by a trillion dollars from two trillion to one.

00:33:00.400 When you hear the happy talk on budgets, please always remember this.

00:33:05.900 When you hear these massive numbers of two trillion and all this, it's kind of nonsense because it's over 10 years.

00:33:13.540 And really, when you look at the way they roll it in, it's always in the out years, four, five, six, seven, eight, which is irrelevant.

00:33:20.980 The only thing that matters is the year that you're in and the appropriations you're in and the next year.

00:33:30.000 Why is that?

00:33:30.460 Well, first off, no one Congress can bind another Congress, particularly on matters of spending or revenue.

00:33:37.700 They're very persnickety about that.

00:33:40.080 So that's why, and right now we have a crisis of sustainability that we just can't finance this.

00:33:47.960 Inflation is not really going to go down.

00:33:50.300 We're embedding it into the system the more we keep this massive federal spending. 0.77

00:33:58.180 Because right now, with aggregate demand having returned from the depths of COVID,

00:34:06.400 we're still in a Keynesian stimulus model.

00:34:10.520 What do I mean by that?

00:34:12.140 That we are spending way more than we're taking in, massive spending of a stimulus to the economy.

00:34:20.700 We're addicted.

00:34:21.600 It's like people addicted to fentanyl.

00:34:23.200 We're addicted to spending.

00:34:25.220 You can tell us, and you're going to have to have an intervention,

00:34:28.140 and you're going to have some withdrawals.

00:34:30.200 That's just going to happen.

00:34:34.020 It's going to be political pain, and who's going to be able to take the political pain

00:34:37.520 and tell the American people, hey, we've got to take this pain.

00:34:40.940 Here's what it means, but here's what we're building to.

00:34:43.480 Here's what we're doing on the supply-side tax cut.

00:34:46.400 Here's how we're trying to get growth back into the system.

00:34:51.540 Because growth's just not there.

00:34:53.500 Still, the projected growth is under 2%.

00:34:55.980 That does not make it until you get to 3%.

00:34:59.740 I think 3% is really mathematically just the replacement for the full employment.

00:35:05.900 So you need to be north of 3%.

00:35:07.440 In 19, the fourth quarter of 19, I believe President Trump hit 3.5%.

00:35:12.180 That's a real number, a sustainable number, not just one quarter.

00:35:16.100 We have some sort of aberration.

00:35:19.040 We're not there yet.

00:35:20.140 President Trump's model in the supply-side tax cut, which is, Scott Besson says,

00:35:25.340 the last attempt at a supply-side cut, which in the war room here, we are very supportive.

00:35:35.260 However, you have to be realistic when you talk about the upper brackets,

00:35:38.640 and you also talk about some of these corporate tax cuts,

00:35:41.760 particularly when you need to get in, in addition to renewing the original Trump tax cuts for the middle class and below.

00:35:50.780 That's for couples filing at $400,000 or below.

00:35:54.860 I would actually make it up to $500,000, but say it's $400,000.

00:35:59.400 You still got to add no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, and the big kahuna, no tax on Social Security.

00:36:05.340 And you can tell now they're putting out, I think, false reports on, oh, the no tax on Social Security,

00:36:11.020 really going to benefit the rich?

00:36:12.600 No, it's not.

00:36:13.140 It's going to benefit the person getting that, you know, $1,100,000 or living on $1,100,000, $1,200,000 a month from Social Security.

00:36:20.780 It's going to help them even on the margins, right?

00:36:25.960 And people say, well, they don't pay tax anyway.

00:36:27.720 Well, hey, they pay enough taxes.

00:36:29.340 So let's take this one off.

00:36:30.480 So the budget over the next 24 hours, and you've already got some people,

00:36:39.280 Sparks in Indiana, Burchett in Tennessee, Massey in Kentucky, and others are saying,

00:36:46.480 I just don't see where the cuts are.

00:36:47.680 I see $2 trillion.

00:36:49.240 I see you're allocating some of that to Medicaid, but we've got to get details of the Medicaid cuts.

00:36:54.680 I'm all for cutting Medicaid, particularly taking the waste, fraud, and abuse.

00:36:58.060 Let's leave that side programmatically, number one.

00:37:01.480 I do think there has to be significant and meaningful work requirements for this.

00:37:07.360 Just like in SNAP, you have to do that.

00:37:10.580 Number two, all illegal aliens or even anyone on the margin of illegal aliens have to be off those rolls.

00:37:17.980 This has to get back to citizens because the economic distress of the working class, Medicaid is needed now. 0.99

00:37:24.800 Unfortunately, nobody wants to be on Medicaid.

00:37:26.500 The working class doesn't want to be on Medicaid.

00:37:28.360 They're not sitting here.

00:37:28.960 They're not looking for handouts.

00:37:31.340 People in this country are not looking for handouts.

00:37:33.280 But since you've invited the world here to compete with them for jobs and also to crush the healthcare,

00:37:40.020 so they all got to go to the emergency room to crush their education, so two-thirds of these schools are teaching English as a second language,

00:37:49.200 how do you expect the American citizens in those classrooms, black and Hispanic, white working class, Asian, how do you expect them to get ahead? 0.95

00:37:55.500 That you invited the world here to crush them economically, to compete.

00:38:02.240 That was done on purpose.

00:38:04.100 Remember that.

00:38:04.560 And now we're talking about remembering this whole thing that when you talk about – so keep in mind this year, which is the CR on the 14th of March, midnight.

00:38:17.140 You got to get this thing sorted for this year, which I think is going to be a mess.

00:38:21.120 And not listening to us, you should have gone back to the single subject bills.

00:38:23.920 At least let's have an adult conversation.

00:38:25.580 We got to stop playing hide-the-football and using the process to obfuscate and confuse people.

00:38:32.660 The reconciliations are kind of a sidebar, important but a sidebar.

00:38:38.460 And when you talk about these cuts, are they meaningful or are they just another performative drill?

00:38:45.000 Here's how you know it's meaningful.

00:38:47.280 Like I said, it's when I was doing investment banking, I have this concept called EBITDA.

00:38:52.160 Earnings before interest, you know, appreciation, depreciation, taxes, amortization, all that.

00:39:01.620 All these kind of accounting terms that you add back and you get theoretical cash flow.

00:39:06.800 So it can be manipulated quite a bit to kind of be what you want it to be.

00:39:14.820 And we had this saying at the firm, EBITDA is an opinion, cash is a fact.

00:39:22.540 And I would say let's take Mr. Balance Sheet at the beginning period and Mr. Balance Sheet at the end period

00:39:27.300 and see how the cash accounts and the receivables increased versus the payables.

00:39:32.760 Then you see kind of an asset test on what you have as Mr. Cash.

00:39:36.580 That's meaningful.

00:39:37.700 This is the situation.

00:39:38.600 We got to strip this back to the basics.

00:39:41.240 We're going to spend six and a half to seven trillion.

00:39:45.100 We're going to take in four and a half to five trillion.

00:39:47.660 We have a gap of two trillion.

00:39:49.820 Where have you heard this for over a year now on this very topic?

00:39:53.920 War Room.

00:39:54.560 Well, it was the first group to say back in 2021 this inflation reduction is going to be – it's going to be – it's going to drive inflation, right?

00:40:10.840 That everything that's set up to do, it will do the exact reverse.

00:40:17.460 Everything they did to try to increase – get back aggregate demand had already been done with President Trump.

00:40:22.880 We were back there.

00:40:23.440 They just threw fuel in the fire and it's still there.

00:40:25.180 We're still having massive stimulation, stimulus of the economy, spending, spending, spending.

00:40:32.580 This is why Massey – and we don't agree with Massey on a lot, but on this one he's just dead spot on.

00:40:38.300 He calls them out.

00:40:39.160 He's standing in the breach.

00:40:40.040 He goes, show me.

00:40:40.580 I don't see any cuts.

00:40:43.380 And here's the thing.

00:40:45.380 The tax cuts and the reconciliation – they actually – they happen right away.

00:40:50.900 In other words, the tax cuts would be – the extension would be immediate.

00:40:55.000 So they would extend through.

00:40:56.320 They come through this year through April – was it April 15th?

00:40:59.440 But then the extension would be so there would be unbroken chain.

00:41:03.060 So in other words, you would get that money.

00:41:05.440 That would hit the deficit.

00:41:06.540 And on the reconciliation, the $175 billion to seal the border in deportations would happen immediately.

00:41:16.060 And the $100 billion they want in addition to this fence would happen immediately.

00:41:19.280 All the cuts they're talking about would happen in the out years.

00:41:23.180 When they were in Doral, always remember this.

00:41:25.720 When Johnson was there, they were there for two or three days.

00:41:28.600 And this is all they were doing besides playing golf.

00:41:32.020 And President Trump coming over and talking to them.

00:41:33.680 They came out of there with the 10-year – of $350 billion, I think it was.

00:41:41.780 That's over 10 years.

00:41:42.920 That's $35 billion a year on a $6.5 to $7 trillion spend.

00:41:48.400 Just forget it.

00:41:49.260 Stop.

00:41:49.580 I don't want to talk about it. 0.98

00:41:50.400 It's ridiculous. 0.99

00:41:51.100 It's redonkulous. 0.98

00:41:52.960 It's like you're not – if you're not going to be serious, I don't want to engage.

00:41:55.500 I don't have time to engage in a conversation.

00:41:58.100 That's what they came out of.

00:41:59.160 That was their number.

00:41:59.840 If you hear the phrase conservative wins, you know you're being sold a bill of goods.

00:42:06.820 This is why I think it's more important than ever on Birch Gold just to understand and get from Philip Patrick and the team, understand why gold has been a hedge in times of financial turbulence.

00:42:19.400 You're going to have turbulence on here, no doubt.

00:42:22.440 To get to what President Trump's trying to accomplish, not just geo-strategically but geo-economically.

00:42:28.660 And you're going to have turbulence.

00:42:31.000 Excuse me.

00:42:31.540 That's going to happen.

00:42:34.520 And you're going to have more turbulence than when you start doing these cuts because you're going to have to have spinning cuts.

00:42:38.860 Somebody's going to have to step up to the plate and admit to that, plus the deportations.

00:42:44.660 Ben Burkwam, you spent the weekend with us.

00:42:46.660 You're normally at the border talking about deportations.

00:42:49.100 You were there with J6. 1.00

00:42:50.580 Your thoughts, sir?

00:42:53.500 Well, look, tie it all together.

00:42:55.700 So first off, the stories that we're getting from these J6ers are just horrific. 1.00

00:43:00.700 And we got some of them while they were in prison.

00:43:02.340 Some of them were afraid to talk about them because they thought they were going to get more reprisals while they were in there.

00:43:07.880 And it's just absolutely shocking.

00:43:09.580 I mean, the U.S. veteran whose service was used against him, that was one of the worst to me,

00:43:15.060 is that they're going to use that against you as if that makes you more of a terror threat.

00:43:20.700 But the biggest thing to me on all of this, Steve, is connecting it to the entire injustice system that you experienced that so many others have.

00:43:29.140 What shocks me, I don't know if I've told you this, I have a friend who's in the FBI,

00:43:33.340 and when this first started happening, when they started going after J6ers, because I was there on J6.

00:43:37.300 You remember that?

00:43:37.960 I was reporting right outside.

00:43:39.360 We had smoke grenades going off behind, and we were reporting on what was happening.

00:43:42.360 And I asked my buddy, I said, hey, are you guys coming to talk to me?

00:43:45.700 And he said, no, you don't have anything to worry about.

00:43:48.520 You were just out there reporting.

00:43:49.580 But he said, but I want you to know, they have taken us off.

00:43:52.520 The FBI has taken us off all actual jihadist cases, terror threat cases in the United States,

00:43:58.780 and focused all of our attention on January 6th.

00:44:02.780 Imagine, think about what that means for our country, that these FBI agents from across the country

00:44:07.820 were taken off active Islamic jihadist cases in the United States to focus on American citizens

00:44:16.100 with the entire purpose to shut down dissent.

00:44:19.840 It was to shut down your voice, my voice, anyone who would stand up against this government, silence them.

00:44:26.080 And really what this points to, and this actually ties to what's happened to Tyler Burleson,

00:44:30.260 just this system as a whole has been completely corrupted, where you don't have equal protection under the law.

00:44:36.840 You don't have speedy trials anymore.

00:44:38.500 You don't have any of the stopgaps that the Constitution was set up to protect us for, from our government.

00:44:45.940 Now you have this system where if you have a corrupt government in charge,

00:44:49.380 they can do whatever the hell they want to you.

00:44:51.920 And you really have no recourse against it until you get another government in power.

00:44:56.360 And that's what we're seeing now.

00:44:57.480 You're seeing that system play out.

00:44:59.560 And why are they going after Cash so hard?

00:45:02.440 And why are they going after Dan Bongino so hard?

00:45:04.780 Because they know that this system, when used properly, is going to take every single one of them out.

00:45:10.760 But that, to me, the bigger issue is getting down to the bottom of this, beyond January 6th,

00:45:16.180 to all the guys that are there unjustly being held.

00:45:19.080 No, no, no, we got to, we're, you know, Navarro, Jared, and I were going to get the J6 guys, this prison reform. 0.97

00:45:26.440 But the point you make, they didn't want to bring up, because they thought to be treated worse, folks,

00:45:32.040 they never expected in 10 billion years we'd ever win.

00:45:37.000 Think about it for a second.

00:45:37.960 All these guys are going to be in prison, in prison.

00:45:40.520 And what shocks me is so many of these guys went to mediums.

00:45:44.480 Mediums are gladiators. 1.00

00:45:45.560 I was in a low, Peter was in a camp.

00:45:50.340 That's kind of the white collar, the camps. 0.58

00:45:52.060 The lows are, you get a lot of bad hombres.

00:45:54.680 I was in a low, a cell block, a cell.

00:45:56.440 However, hey, mediums are gladiator schools.

00:46:00.460 I don't know if I'd survive 72 hours in a medium.

00:46:03.320 That is a gladiator school.

00:46:04.500 And it had so many of these guys in gladiator schools.

00:46:06.480 I mean, that is bad.

00:46:08.660 Bad.

00:46:09.200 Really bad.

00:46:09.800 Lows are bad enough.

00:46:10.680 And lows are bad because of the drugs.

00:46:12.360 The drugs are so out of control because these young, they have young, nonviolent drug dealers

00:46:18.700 or drug offenders there that get 10, 15, 20 years in these tiny prisons.

00:46:25.140 When you're in a prison, you're in a very, not just a cell block, the whole place is small.

00:46:29.780 If you're there for 15 or 20 years and you're a young person, 25 years old,

00:46:36.560 you ain't leaving until you're 35, 40, 45, that, then they start doing drugs and the

00:46:42.380 place just gets out of control.

00:46:43.880 None of these people on J6 ever thought they would be out.

00:46:47.280 And the people tormenting them, that's where Weissman and these people are so shocked.

00:46:51.800 And they're shocked today when Trump, and Trump could not send a stronger signal.

00:46:56.760 There has not been a brother out there as on top of the injustice of J6 is Dan Bongino.

00:47:02.760 I mean, I would say, we've done a pretty good job.

00:47:06.360 I think a pretty good job.

00:47:07.300 Dan Bongino's done a great job.

00:47:09.220 So he's going to be on top of this.

00:47:10.560 He's fierce when it comes to this.

00:47:13.160 And so, you know, you've done so much of this and seen it.

00:47:17.100 But I think over the weekend, have those guys there and tell the stories.

00:47:19.820 And now we've got to help them get organized and make sure they get it.

00:47:22.200 And, of course, they go up to give a press conference.

00:47:24.200 And you've seen Antifa, and you've seen BLM, and they're right up in Enrique's face 0.86

00:47:28.600 trying to pick a fight.

00:47:30.340 And the Capitol Hill cops are on him right away.

00:47:32.760 Yeah.

00:47:34.540 And this is just the beginning of it, guys.

00:47:37.020 I mean, this is what we had the last four years.

00:47:38.680 We're seeing the weaponization of Antifa, BLM. 0.88

00:47:41.620 Now you've got millions of illegals across our country.

00:47:44.180 We've got Hamas, where they're given a green light to do whatever they want by these DAs 0.92

00:47:49.020 in these leftist hellholes, where conservatives, we do one thing wrong, and we're swept up and

00:47:55.320 thrown in.

00:47:56.140 And, you know, you don't get a trial for four years.

00:47:58.060 It's absolutely outrageous.

00:47:59.300 The worst story I heard, though, Steve, that's why I asked him to do it on air, was Joe Biggs.

00:48:05.580 Because I've got three young daughters.

00:48:07.000 I've got a 14-year-old, 7-year-old, and 1-year-old.

00:48:09.480 And when he told me a story about his daughter's 7 now, when he went away, she was 3, that she

00:48:14.740 slept with his picture for two years because that was the only way she could see her dad.

00:48:19.540 You think about the psychological torment that was created through this.

00:48:23.880 And, you know, that's one small example of that.

00:48:27.020 But that's all by design.

00:48:28.300 Every bit of that is by design to tell you, we're in control.

00:48:32.220 You guys, you do whatever we say.

00:48:34.880 Even if you knew you were completely unjustly treated, you will do what we say because it

00:48:40.140 will get worse if you don't.

00:48:42.000 That is not what our founders intended.

00:48:43.640 No, not at all.

00:48:46.140 That's why President Trump is very focused.

00:48:47.700 I can tell you, President Trump's very focused on this.

00:48:49.780 Okay, Ben, thank you.

00:48:50.700 So, Ben, what's your social media?

00:48:51.960 Where do people go?

00:48:53.980 Let me, and if I can, just say one more time for Tyler.

00:48:56.920 Neil mentioned it, but it's the Give, Send, Go.

00:48:58.840 If you guys can support him, it's Give, Send, Go.

00:49:01.020 Help Tyler Burleson.

00:49:02.560 It's up there.

00:49:03.160 You guys can do that.

00:49:04.000 And then my social media, at Real AM Voice, Real America's Voice, and then at Ben Burquam.

00:49:09.340 I've got a new interview with Tom Homan that's going to be getting released tonight.

00:49:12.260 And then my sub stack's Frontline America, FrontlineAmerica.com.

00:49:15.680 Thank you, sir.

00:49:16.760 We'll push it out.

00:49:17.600 Thank you, brother.

00:49:18.380 Appreciate you.

00:49:19.260 One of the biggest stories in the Washington Post today is about Posobiec, back Poso, but

00:49:23.780 it ain't Jack.

00:49:25.220 Kevin Posobiec joins us with, I think, the story of the day about the Gulf of America.

00:49:31.840 The individual who came up with that name is our own Kevin Posobiec.

00:49:35.720 Kevin, tell me about this story.

00:49:37.900 It's pretty crazy, but I think you've changed not just map making.

00:49:41.720 You've changed people's kind of really upbeat, hey, it is the Gulf of America.

00:49:45.980 How did you do it, sir?

00:49:48.280 Hey, Steve.

00:49:48.900 Thanks for having me on.

00:49:49.720 I got my America shirt on right here.

00:49:52.200 And, you know, it was a great, great sunny afternoon, great sunny Sunday afternoon.

00:49:57.060 I was just with my buddy out of church.

00:49:59.880 And, you know, we came down and he said, let's go get rave runners.

00:50:04.080 You know, it was a Fourth of July moment, Americana moment.

00:50:07.080 And it really, really took another meaning once Trump really came in, especially against

00:50:13.800 Mexico.

00:50:14.160 It was like a slap in the face to the cartels.

00:50:16.360 And I think we really need that.

00:50:19.080 But, yeah, it's just amazing to see the progression now from Marjorie Taylor Greene taking it on,

00:50:24.780 turning it into legislation.

00:50:26.360 And then Stephen Miller came in and said, why stop there?

00:50:29.360 You know, we got to get Mount McKinley back.

00:50:32.260 But hold it, but hold it, Kevin, Kevin, Kevin, hang on.

00:50:35.220 Don't bury the lead.

00:50:35.980 Tell me, how did you actually get the idea?

00:50:38.000 Where did it happen?

00:50:38.860 This is what's so amazing about the story.

00:50:40.700 Tell me about it.

00:50:41.240 So my buddy Johnny and I, I'll give him a shout-out.

00:50:46.680 We did rent wave runners out in the Gulf of formerly known as the Gulf of Mexico.

00:50:54.120 And we rented these wave runners on that afternoon and were just cruising around in the Gulf.

00:51:00.940 And, you know, it didn't – I honestly first thought it was going to be the Gulf of Florida.

00:51:06.620 And it just came to me.

00:51:07.880 I mean, you always bring up Divine Providence on the show.

00:51:11.060 So I can't say it was much less than that.

00:51:13.980 I was really just hanging out and having a great time on the water.

00:51:17.880 So it did come to me while I was on the wave runner.

00:51:20.260 And I just took a little selfie while I was there and posted it.

00:51:24.640 And lo and behold, I said the proper name come 2025.

00:51:28.280 And I tweeted it.

00:51:29.800 And as you know, and the posse knows, like, Jack retweets a lot of us.

00:51:34.240 And we got a pretty significant audience elsewhere and on Capitol Hill and in the White House now.

00:51:42.640 So somebody must have picked up on it and said, hey, this is a good idea.

00:51:46.800 It's got a nice ring to it.

00:51:48.820 And it was – what, January?

00:51:50.800 I put a timeline up on my Twitter.

00:51:52.960 It's January 9th.

00:51:54.660 Trump says it in Mar-a-Lago.

00:51:56.460 January 20th.

00:51:57.440 He adds it in the inaugural address and does the day one executive order of it.

00:52:03.000 And here we are.

00:52:04.040 Then right before the Super Bowl, he says it's bigger than the Super Bowl.

00:52:07.400 We're going to make it the Gulf of America Day every February 9th from here on out.

00:52:12.720 So, Kevin, we've got to bounce.

00:52:15.560 What's your social media before we go?

00:52:17.100 We want people to go see where Gulf of America started.

00:52:21.200 Thanks, Steve.

00:52:21.880 It's going to be at X at Kev Posobiec.

00:52:24.960 You call me Kevin.

00:52:25.860 And on Instagram.

00:52:27.060 Give me a follow.

00:52:29.940 Thank you, brother.

00:52:31.120 Kevin Posobiec, the Gulf of America, the origin story.

00:52:34.820 We'll be back at 10 a.m. Eastern Standard Time tomorrow morning in the War Room.

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Bannon's War Room - February 25, 2025

WarRoom Battleground EP 711： Mainstream Implosion Over Bongino Appointment; The Overreach Of Lawfare Against American Citizens

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