Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 714： The Politicization Of The intelligence Community

00:00:00.000 Where do we really stand with what President Trump inherited as you see the economic battlefield in front of us?

00:00:07.240 It feels like less a battlefield than a minefield, frankly, what President Trump has inherited.

00:00:13.340 I mean, it is difficult, Steve, to I think to get across to people just how bad the economy is,

00:00:20.380 because what the economy actually looks like today and what people's lived experiences is just simply not matching up with with what the data say.

00:00:28.260 There's just too many problems, again, with the data.

00:00:30.760 Going back to what we were just talking about, right, there are things wrong with the data themselves.

00:00:36.520 And this, I think, is why President Trump won such a great victory in November, right, where you had him winning the popular vote.

00:00:45.720 Every swing state, a huge electoral majority.

00:00:49.280 It's because the media was not successful in telling people, don't believe your lying eyes and don't believe your empty wallets.

00:00:55.920 Everything's fine.

00:00:56.800 So we are staring down the barrel of more inflation, courtesy of the Fed's interest rate cuts last year and relatively loose monetary policy.

00:01:05.440 Let's not forget the monthly – if we look at the monthly inflation reports, the annual inflation rate that comes in every month,

00:01:12.360 that has gotten worse each month since the Fed started cutting interest rates.

00:01:17.020 So clearly we have more inflation coming down the pike that the president will have to deal with.

00:01:21.600 We have all of the messes internationally that the president is already dealing with, especially in places like the Ukraine.

00:01:28.840 We have a banking crisis, which still really hasn't gone away.

00:01:32.900 The Fed just papered over it with things like emergency lending programs, but that is still very real.

00:01:38.680 We have a commercial real estate sector that is in absolute turmoil.

00:01:42.500 The housing market is a disaster.

00:01:44.740 We just got pending home sales numbers this morning that were down to a record low.

00:01:50.920 Pending home sales today are about 30 percent below where they were in 2001.

00:01:56.220 Not 2021.

00:01:57.740 2001.

00:01:59.320 So here we are essentially a quarter century later, and the housing market is 30 percent less activity today than it did back then.

00:02:07.280 That's a disaster, even before you factor in things like population growth, for example.

00:02:13.020 So, again, what this president has been handed is an absolute dumpster fire, frankly, of an economy.

00:02:19.680 Things are terrible.

00:02:20.540 The deficit is exploding.

00:02:22.300 It's the worst start ever to a fiscal year in terms of that deficit.

00:02:26.720 Started in October, ran through January.

00:02:29.360 The worst four-month start ever to a fiscal year.

00:02:33.200 And at the same time, you have a Treasury secretary in Scott Besson, who is a master of sovereign debt markets.

00:02:40.080 And he's going to need, I think, every ounce of his mastery and expertise to really unwind the disaster and the mess that he was left by Janet Yellen

00:02:49.360 in terms of rebalancing the Treasury's portfolio, in terms of trying to get the yield down on the 10-year Treasury note,

00:02:56.740 trying to get the interest payments down on the debt.

00:02:58.920 Those interest payments are already over $1.2 trillion a year.

00:03:02.740 I mean, Steve, if you give me an hour, I could fill it, I'm sure, with all of the negative aspects of this economy

00:03:09.320 that President Trump has inherited and that he's going to have to deal with.

00:03:16.500 And on top, the only one you missed, we had a record trade deficit in the month of December.

00:03:21.800 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:03:29.380 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.

00:03:34.620 Here's the reason I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.

00:03:38.880 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:03:40.780 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:03:42.220 I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.

00:03:44.900 It's going to happen.

00:03:45.940 And where do people like that go to share the big line?

00:03:49.580 MAGA Media.

00:03:50.920 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:03:56.360 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:04:00.120 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:04:06.400 War Room.

00:04:07.320 Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.

00:04:09.620 Thursday, 27 February in the Year of the Lord, 2025, another historic day in Washington, D.C.

00:04:20.960 I wanted to play that again to remind everyone of exactly where this stands and how bad this economy is

00:04:30.180 and what President Trump's trying to do on spending, on investment, on all of the taxes to try to sort this mess out.

00:04:37.140 Right there, E.J. and Tony, one of the smartest guys around, great economist.

00:04:42.960 Talking about sovereign debt, you know, we had Sir Keir earlier in the day, and I think England's,

00:04:51.860 they've already had a sovereign debt crisis once.

00:04:53.940 That's what turfed out Liz Trust. 0.97

00:04:56.900 It also, I think, crushed Ricky Sunak, who never figured out how to turn the economy around.

00:05:03.120 It's getting worse, I think, now.

00:05:04.640 This is why this whole discussion of the French coming over here and who's in a financial crisis,

00:05:12.960 they just lost, Macron's lost control of actually the government.

00:05:16.800 He's still the president, but he's lost control of their assembly, which most of the power lies,

00:05:22.420 particularly on the finance part of it, economic part of it.

00:05:26.000 Germany just had an election.

00:05:27.900 Alternative for Deutschland, one of the reasons they're coming is that it's the mass immigration, 0.93

00:05:32.040 but it's also what it's done to wages over there and how the economy is upside down because they've deindustrialized.

00:05:39.420 Italy, Spain, Greece, Portugal.

00:05:43.140 I think you've got six or seven countries in Europe right now that could have sovereign debt crises.

00:05:48.780 I've actually talked to Nigel.

00:05:52.220 I don't think you're going to wait the next four years to have an election.

00:05:55.500 I think that the IMF steps in, and I don't think we're too far away in England for the IMF actually potentially stepping in.

00:06:02.640 And once that happens, that triggers a number of things.

00:06:05.560 I think it could trigger an election, an earlier election, where Nigel Farage, having taken over the Tory party,

00:06:11.640 which he's in the process of doing, will run and become the next prime minister.

00:06:18.080 This thing's a mess.

00:06:19.440 And then in the massive trade deficit, President Trump on Tuesday is 25 percent tariffs on Mexico, 25 percent tariffs on Canada.

00:06:28.180 Mexico is giving a punch list of what they have to do, but they kind of run out of time.

00:06:33.020 Peter Navarro is actually, I think, I don't know if he's quoted.

00:06:36.320 I think he actually went on TV and talked about the Five Eyes program of getting Canada out of there.

00:06:42.560 So there's so much happening geo-strategically, geo-economically.

00:06:45.640 I want to get in one of the steadiest of the steady eddies, Captain Jim Fennell, to discuss all this.

00:06:52.100 And I want to talk about this, basically, this degeneracy.

00:06:55.860 And it looks like the intelligence community.

00:06:57.660 I'll get to that in a second.

00:06:59.500 When Peter Navarro is talking about Five Eyes, explain to our audience.

00:07:02.640 And Sir Keir was here today, Starmer, right?

00:07:08.560 And they're one of our oldest allies, and they're the linchpin of the Five Eyes program.

00:07:14.680 What is Five Eyes?

00:07:15.960 What does it do?

00:07:18.880 Why is it beneficial to the United States?

00:07:21.780 And why would Dr. Peter Navarro, who's the trade and manufacturing guy, actually bring that up in a TV interview about Canada,

00:07:28.820 who I would argue, punching much above their weight, has been one of our steadiest allies in the history of this country, sir?

00:07:37.860 Well, Steve, the Five Eyes program is an intelligence-sharing agreement.

00:07:45.360 Many times it's mischaracterized as an alliance.

00:07:48.600 The Chinese Communist Party tries to characterize it that way frequently.

00:07:52.640 But it is an intelligence-sharing agreement that goes back decades.

00:07:56.180 And it's between the United Kingdom, United States, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand.

00:08:00.940 And we share classified information across many different areas, but primarily in space-based signals intelligence arena.

00:08:10.800 That's the primary area, not just signals intelligence, it's also in it.

00:08:13.940 But that's a sharing agreement.

00:08:16.040 The agreement is based upon our shared interests, shared histories, shared collective outlooks, and that we have mutual security interests.

00:08:26.200 And so when Dr. Navarro talks about, hey, we may have to kick Canada out of the Five Eyes, people should sit up and take notice.

00:08:36.280 We had similar discussions about New Zealand back 20, 30 years ago when the New Zealand government said they wouldn't allow U.S. nuclear ships, anything, nuclear-powered or nuclear-weapon ships, into New Zealand.

00:08:49.500 There was a lot of people in America that talked about kicking the Kiwis out.

00:08:53.000 We didn't do that.

00:08:53.760 Now we're talking about Canada, and it's largely because of issues of trust with the Canadian government that's in leadership right now, Justin Trudeau's leadership,

00:09:03.820 and the fact that they had open borders and the fact that they are taking a kind of almost a hostile attitude towards the United States when it comes to our relationship,

00:09:13.080 and the fact that the Chinese have so much influence there, as we saw with the Huawei CEO case in the last couple of years.

00:09:21.320 So I don't think we're going to actually do that, but I think the issue is that serious for us that we're trying to get a signal across to Ottawa and to the Canadians that, hey, you need to wake up here.

00:09:31.380 We're not going to just allow you to put our national security interests at risk, and we're going to use every tool in the kit bag, if you will, to get reciprocity and to make sure that our interest and our national security is guaranteed.

00:09:45.900 Captain, when there are many people, including guys on the right, the Tucker Carlson's and others that are questioning a lot of this about the intelligence community today,

00:09:57.400 and as we work these efforts to break the deep state here in the United States, is the Five Eyes lead to kind of a formation of a deep state where these intelligence services become more powerful than the government?

00:10:10.660 The governments are democratically elected, quote-unquote.

00:10:13.800 They're moving out.

00:10:14.880 You have liberals one day, and you have liberals in Australia today, but they're coming up for elections shortly.

00:10:21.700 They may be tossed out.

00:10:22.860 Trudeau's a progressive.

00:10:25.080 He may be tossed out, so you're going to have conservatives or people closer to our part of the spectrum, although not populist nationalists.

00:10:31.840 But that you have this permanent bureaucracy, a permanent administration of intelligence, and particularly the most secret of all, the signal intelligence and the ability to work in unison.

00:10:44.300 And we see this from the Russia situation in a crossfire hurricane, that that was done between direct contact of the intelligence services, MI6 and the CIA, MI6, and guys like Brennan, Hayden, all of them.

00:11:02.620 Is this Five Eyes, although an agreement for mutual protection, lead to something creating a monster that can't be controlled by any one government in any one nation, sir?

00:11:15.140 I don't think Five Eyes in itself is the problem.

00:11:19.060 The problem is the politicization of the intelligence community across these various governments.

00:11:24.480 And so to that extent, an arrangement like Five Eyes leads to that ability to do these things.

00:11:31.380 And so I think we have to have a really serious look at the new director of national intelligence and director of CIA.

00:11:38.360 They have to come in, and they have to come in with a hose, and they have to sweep out what's going on inside the IC.

00:11:44.660 I mean, the politicization of intelligence was anathema when I was in my 29 years in the service.

00:11:52.060 That was not allowed, and no one did that.

00:11:54.200 It was impossible that these things were being abused like this.

00:11:59.700 And you never, no one talked about politics by the time that I retired in January of 2015.

00:12:08.040 It was starting to lean that way during the Obama years in the last couple of years, but it was something that was just not done.

00:12:14.080 And it was a huge, huge red line that people didn't cross.

00:12:19.300 And the people that were in leadership you trusted.

00:12:22.040 The collection capabilities were sank.

00:12:27.580 We were not spying on Americans, and we were not providing that information.

00:12:30.880 And in the last 10 years, it appears that it has really gone out of control.

00:12:35.880 And so this cannot be allowed to continue.

00:12:38.500 And this current event that happened here this last couple of days with the public announcements about the illegal chat rooms at the National Security Agency on Intel Link,

00:12:50.340 which is basically an intelligence-sharing community chat room, but it's called Intel Link, and it's on behind the door.

00:12:58.020 It's at the TSSEI level.

00:13:00.380 It's supposed to be for the discussion of very serious classified information.

00:13:04.080 I had Intel Link when I was in the Navy, and we shared information about what was going on in current operations or current collection issues about our adversaries.

00:13:13.360 And now we find out from this release from Chris Ruffo and the City Journal that this information is now delving into some really weird stuff that would never have been allowed or even conceived of.

00:13:25.620 And what I'm really concerned of is that this – what we've just discovered is the tip of an iceberg, and the right cancer has gone so much farther than anybody could have imagined.

00:13:39.000 Before I get back into that, because that's one of the reasons I want to have you on today, but when you talk about polarization, you left in 2015.

00:13:46.560 You were in naval intelligence, although you were in the Pacific Command.

00:13:50.800 Did you ever work in joint – on joint intelligence that you would actually see the politicization?

00:13:57.740 Because some people will say 2015, wow, it was already embedded at that time because that's when they're starting to cook up.

00:14:04.800 It was in early 16 that they started a crossfire hurricane, so it had to be going there.

00:14:09.500 Was that because you were siloed in the Navy, you didn't see it, or you really can make the case it really wasn't that bad then?

00:14:16.280 I was in – well, just throughout my whole career, I was in a joint intelligence center Pacific early in my career, the intelligence center Pacific back in the late 80s, which is the first joint intelligence center in the Pacific Command.

00:14:31.100 And then throughout my tours at the Office of Naval Intelligence in Washington, D.C., where I was part of the groups that followed China amongst all the major IC partners.

00:14:41.900 So I was linked up with every person at the highest levels of intelligence regarding what was going on with China, from the CIA to DIA to every individual intelligence agency.

00:14:53.400 And there was plenty of sharing there, and in my time in the Pacific Fleet, in my last assignment as the director of intelligence for the U.S. Pacific Fleet, I was directly involved with operations and activities that involved the joint world, the IC back in D.C.,

00:15:10.400 what was going on with our embassies, and inside the IC intelligence community, even though it's not its own organization, the various representatives of the IC are linked up and share a lot of information on a daily, minute-by-minute basis.

00:15:29.120 At each one of my command opportunities with Pacific Fleet, with 7th Fleet, with CTF 70 on board the Kitty Hawk, where we had watch floors that were connected to the national intelligence community at the highest levels, directly back to, you know, the fort at Fort Me, the National Security Agency, and other agencies.

00:15:49.880 So I'm confident to say that that was not existing like that by the time I retired.

00:15:59.360 And what's happened over the last 10 years has really been a dramatic transformation.

00:16:04.720 And this idea that—and I think the Rufo report that came out today, it said it started about 10 years ago.

00:16:11.240 Employee resource groups were meeting to talk about pride and other things, and they would meet here and there almost like a potluck, a culture, food, and speech.

00:16:19.880 Then it started to get more and more.

00:16:21.960 Instead of just one day a month, it was one week a month, and then it was a whole month.

00:16:26.100 You could be hired as a mathematician, a staff officer, or a systems engineer, but you would spend your time going to these events and having meetings all day about your individual peer group.

00:16:35.880 They got themselves into positions to help craft policy, started pushing the idea that if you want to get promoted, you have to participate in these events.

00:16:43.620 And then everything became pride.

00:16:45.180 You would go to a training session, and it would be about privilege and how to be a better ally.

00:16:50.120 And then someone would give a class on how to talk gender-neutral to people. 1.00

00:16:54.220 You always had analysts—you had analysts that didn't want to report what they were supposed to be doing because they were going to have to report on somebody's dead name.

00:17:03.280 They were having this crisis of conscience about reporting on the adversary's actual name because they thought it would dead name them, and they didn't want to go to disrespect that person.

00:17:14.520 This was like a cult that was hell-bent on pushing gender ideology. 0.99

00:17:17.840 That's insane, what I read there, and that that's happening.

00:17:22.880 And we cannot allow that to go on.

00:17:24.980 You have a job when you're in the service, when you're in the IC, and you swear an oath to the Constitution to defend this nation.

00:17:32.580 And if your job is to report out signals intelligence or imagery intelligence or electronic intelligence or whatever it is, if you're a collector, you cannot allow your personal beliefs to come in and influence your responsibility.

00:17:47.880 And that appears to what has happened by the revelation of these chat logs.

00:17:52.360 And so I'm very concerned that the system is out of control, running out of control.

00:17:57.340 And what I'm even more concerned about is in the last two days, I'm talking with my colleagues in the community, and a lot of people are very upset that this has come out.

00:18:07.800 And they're more concerned that the chat logs were released to a reporter than they are about the actual content of what's happening.

00:18:15.620 And sure, we need to make sure that how this was revealed was done through appropriate procedures, but that's not the real problem.

00:18:25.360 So shooting the messenger because he revealed corruption and cancer inside the system is not more important than the fact of what's actually going on.

00:18:34.260 And that we had, clearly, these weren't just low-level analysts doing this on their own.

00:18:38.960 There were supervisors up and down the chain that somehow approved of what was going on, approved for these days off, approved for people not coming to work but could be in these chat rooms to talk about these things instead of doing what they were supposed to do,

00:18:55.220 which is to tell and report on what our adversaries are doing so that policymakers and decision makers in the field and back in D.C. could make decisions on how to defend this nation.

00:19:04.820 I want to make sure because we've talked about the depravity and degeneracy of what was in these chat rooms.

00:19:13.540 We've had a number of people on that have, in fact, when Terry Schilling came on, it was almost uncomfortable for the audience when they read what was being talked about.

00:19:22.000 But you're saying the Rufo now and yourself are actually asserting that there was almost a cult that took over either part of or was trying to take over the intelligence community and make sure that everything was seen through the prism of LGBTQ, sir?

00:19:39.580 Well, I think the latter part. Yeah, I think there's an ideological worldview that these folks had to call it a cult like some religious cult.

00:19:50.740 I don't know if it was that organized. Maybe it was. I don't know that much about it.

00:19:53.920 But from what I've seen, it's very clear that people that had an opposing worldview to the traditional view that, hey, we're Americans and we serve as Americans inside the military, inside the IC.

00:20:06.000 And we don't take our personal religious views, sexual views, any of that stuff, and let it influence our mission and our job.

00:20:16.780 That changed. Something changed in the last decade where people were now saying, that's my most important aspect of what I do.

00:20:24.420 And it influenced their ability to actually function in their job.

00:20:27.840 And the fact that it was allowed to go on and that, you know, if nobody saw it, I find that hard to believe.

00:20:34.920 But let's just say, if those people that were in supervisory positions didn't know about this, then what does that say about our system of not knowing what their personnel are doing?

00:20:44.020 That's not good. If they did know about it and they promoted it, then you have to ask yourself, why were they promoting that?

00:20:50.440 What was the reason? And that is, to me, the evidence to the politicization of the IC, that we allowed people to put this in and divide us and create these little cliques.

00:21:02.140 Then we gave these cliques space to communicate to each other.

00:21:06.320 And then the cliques took over and then they took over policy and they then started addressing promotions and control the system.

00:21:14.180 And anybody that didn't conform or comply with that, they were the bad ones.

00:21:18.460 They were the racists. They were the homophobes. They were whatever the labels they put on them. 0.54

00:21:23.180 So we went, we flipped the system upside down.

00:21:28.640 How is it? You're totally doubted. I know you're in a bunch of groups.

00:21:35.360 Keep going. Keep going.

00:21:36.640 Yeah, I was just going to say, while all this is churning, you have the PRC is on the agenda.

00:21:45.340 The PRC is on the march. The PRC is becoming more and more aggressive.

00:21:50.100 They're expanding their operations, their threats around Taiwan, their threats to Australia, right,

00:21:55.400 that we're seeing this week with their task force down there operating off of Sydney and towards Tasmania.

00:22:01.520 We see them operating drones around Japan this week.

00:22:05.400 All kinds of activities that are very clearly worrisome that the Indo-PACOM commander, you know,

00:22:11.340 a couple of weeks ago put out a warning and said, hey, I see the Chinese rehearsing for an invasion, not exercising, rehearsing.

00:22:19.540 We just had the Secretary of the Navy's hearing today, but he bipartisan was like,

00:22:25.420 we're very concerned about where the Chinese Navy is and where we are.

00:22:28.960 And so we have clear, present danger threats to our nation, and we rely upon, as a nation,

00:22:35.820 an intelligence community that is on the job and is watching the threat.

00:22:41.960 And if we have to worry about a cancer inside of our IC, there's only one solution.

00:22:47.080 You have to cut the cancer out.

00:22:48.540 To cut the cancer out, I mean, you're dialed in at the highest levels, even though you're retired,

00:22:56.740 of people, particularly people that are supportive of the intelligence community in the great war against the CCP.

00:23:04.180 How could those people, how could the people you know,

00:23:06.080 they're more concerned about the actual turning over of this, I guess, intelligence chat room,

00:23:12.560 the actual thing itself versus what it shows about this kind of cult or this group

00:23:18.700 that was essentially had an opposing worldview and everything had to be through that prism?

00:23:24.860 How could people at the senior levels be more concerned about the turning over

00:23:28.880 and the process of turning it over versus what the content was, sir?

00:23:32.720 Well, a lot of these people are my former shipmates and friends,

00:23:38.160 and I've been shocked in the last two days about the reaction.

00:23:42.180 And on one hand, they have a point, which is to say,

00:23:45.400 if you take something out of a TSSCI system,

00:23:50.040 JWICs or Intel Link, these systems that most people don't know,

00:23:53.640 if you take something out of them and you release them, like Snowden did,

00:23:58.180 to a reporter or something,

00:24:00.520 and you're an employee that does that after you've signed disclosure agreements

00:24:05.580 that you would not do that on penalty of perjure or a penalty,

00:24:09.500 that's not good.

00:24:11.480 So we have to make sure that this was done the right way.

00:24:14.340 However, if the person that did this felt that there was no other alternative

00:24:18.840 and that if they went through the appropriate whistleblower protocols

00:24:22.740 that they would be terminated,

00:24:24.560 then we have to ask ourselves,

00:24:26.200 why did they feel that uncomfortable that they couldn't go through the system?

00:24:29.580 And I don't know any of those answers.

00:24:31.760 I'm not making a judgment of how it happened or anything.

00:24:35.420 I don't think we know yet,

00:24:36.940 and I think that the director of national intelligence and her team are investigating that.

00:24:41.280 So I think my point is that my colleagues quickly assumed that the problem was,

00:24:46.800 well, we had an illegal whistleblower person releasing information

00:24:49.740 that wasn't formally designated as a whistleblower.

00:24:52.540 That's the problem.

00:24:53.960 That's troublesome to me because it demonstrates an attitude of,

00:24:58.900 you know, we will not condemn bad activity for political reasons.

00:25:07.240 Oh, if we condemn this, that means we must be for Trump,

00:25:10.180 and therefore we don't want to be for Trump, so we're not going to say that.

00:25:12.940 So let's twist this around and blame the messenger.

00:25:15.880 And this is called politicization.

00:25:18.420 It's pure and simple, and we have to stop it.

00:25:21.000 There's no room for it.

00:25:22.380 I'll give you an example.

00:25:23.360 When I was a lieutenant on a watch floor in Hawaii.

00:25:26.100 Captain Fennell, hang on for one second.

00:25:28.340 Hang on one second.

00:25:29.120 I'm going to hold you to the break.

00:25:30.760 I'm going to get to that.

00:25:31.600 I want that example.

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00:32:34.380 Tej Gill, Tej, I know you find interesting when you see all these meetings with world heads, you know,

00:32:45.300 Sir Carl Kerr, Starmer today, the prime minister of the United Kingdom coming in,

00:32:52.280 President Trump trying to stop the kinetic part of the Third World War and bring peace.

00:32:55.840 I think Trump's going to get nominated, I mean a real nomination, anybody can get nominated,

00:32:59.240 but a real nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize for what he's doing.

00:33:03.940 I know as a warrior that spent a better part of your professional life in various bad neighborhoods in the Middle East,

00:33:10.660 you've got to really appreciate that, don't you, sir, that you've got a guy like Trump that's finally there

00:33:14.480 and people respect so they can stand down, we can start to beat our swords in the plowshares?

00:33:21.420 Oh, yeah, absolutely.

00:33:23.060 Maybe we can actually start winning these.

00:33:25.500 He's going to end these wars, but the wars under the other presidents,

00:33:29.620 we weren't allowed to win because they didn't want the wars to end,

00:33:33.660 because the wars are just for profit and money.

00:33:36.880 So that's incredible that Trump is going to stop the wars,

00:33:40.640 and then if there is a war under Trump, I guarantee he will actually allow us to win it.

00:33:46.860 And the war now is on the southern border, and we're going to win that, 1.00

00:33:50.140 and we'll see about these cartels.

00:33:51.840 But winning, winning, winning all the way around.

00:33:54.340 Every day is like Christmas under Trump.

00:33:56.100 It's incredible.

00:33:57.640 But, yeah, let's wrap these wars up in the Middle East and Israel 0.97

00:34:01.580 and then stop what's going on in Ukraine and Russia.

00:34:05.660 I think we need to build relations with Russia.

00:34:10.080 Amen.

00:34:10.640 Do you – is that the – you spend how many tours as a SEAL

00:34:15.160 and then how many contractor tours, sir, over there?

00:34:19.420 Four tours as a SEAL and then about 13, 14 as a contractor or something like that.

00:34:27.900 So 18 tours altogether in the Middle East are those environs.

00:34:33.940 Yeah, in the war zones, yep.

00:34:36.780 Talk to me about – is that the attitude of a lot of the enlisted men that these –

00:34:46.260 you weren't allowed to win your one hand at least tied behind your back and this was all –

00:34:50.300 there was some reason that that was and you guys come to the conclusion is the forever wars, sir?

00:34:55.120 Yeah, yeah.

00:34:56.940 I mean, when we're in it, especially in the early 2000s, even up to like 2010, 2012, I didn't – I didn't personally realize that.

00:35:06.600 I didn't understand the politics and all that stuff.

00:35:11.020 I think Benghazi woke me up and then I started opening up my mind to be able to understand this stuff.

00:35:16.580 But I was actually – this morning I was talking to another enlisted SEAL that I used to work with and he's been in and out of the combat zones forever.

00:35:23.800 And he said the same thing.

00:35:25.420 He's like, dude, he's like – I feel like we went over there for nothing.

00:35:28.640 He's like, all our friends got killed for nothing.

00:35:31.180 We weren't allowed to win.

00:35:33.240 And I think that's – especially now, that's the consensus.

00:35:38.420 You know, when we're in it, we don't understand it.

00:35:40.700 We're just like, yeah, let's go. 1.00

00:35:41.660 Let's go kill these guys. 1.00

00:35:42.500 Let's go fight. 1.00

00:35:43.040 Let's go fight for America.

00:35:44.140 Let's get payback for 9-11. 0.99

00:35:45.580 But this day and age, I think with all this stuff coming out, especially now with all this stuff with Dojin, it's hard not to see the writing on the wall.

00:35:54.500 These wars are literally just moneymakers and they're just revenue machines.

00:36:02.760 That's why – look, we just wrapped up Afghanistan with this terrible pullout where we left like losers.

00:36:09.920 And then immediately they sparked up Ukraine and that's just for money. 0.95

00:36:14.040 They're all money-making operations because we've offshored all our industrial to China and everywhere else.

00:36:22.760 It's definitely the consensus among my friends and my old teammates is that these wars were forever wars and that they're – we're not allowed to win them.

00:36:33.320 I mean, look, the last time we're actually able to do an unconditional surrender was Germany, World War II.

00:36:40.800 Vietnam, we didn't – I think that's when the military-industrial complex figured out that this is a big money-making operation.

00:36:48.900 We just keep the wars going.

00:36:50.560 Just keep them going.

00:36:51.300 Keep them going.

00:36:51.840 And then USAID and State Department is over there undermining us. 0.63

00:36:56.700 They're actually working with the enemy, funding them through these NGOs.

00:37:01.980 And then the military and the CIA are on the other side and it's crazy the way it happens.

00:37:10.900 Talk to me.

00:37:11.640 You came back and you decided to do something else, radically different.

00:37:14.840 You wanted to start a coffee company and now it's one of the premier coffee companies.

00:37:19.040 Every time I give a warpath to somebody, I say it's the champagne and coffee.

00:37:23.340 You don't need cream.

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00:37:25.940 And virtually every person, one or two not, but virtually every person, we serve it in the war room nonstop.

00:37:31.860 And when we're on the road, love it.

00:37:33.540 So talk to me about the coffee.

00:37:34.900 And how to – I want to make sure every war room person – we've got 7,000 now five-star reviews.

00:37:40.360 I want to make sure the hundreds of thousands and millions that listen to this show or watch it every week get the opportunity.

00:37:47.320 So tell us about it and where do they go?

00:37:49.080 Yeah, well, when I was in the SEAL teams, I got accustomed to having the best gear and working around top-notch guys.

00:37:58.140 So I tried to carry that over to the civilian world. 0.61

00:38:03.020 And with the coffee, I didn't want to just have any random coffee that tastes like crap that you have to put milk and sugar in.

00:38:10.760 And I had an amazing cup of coffee in the Middle East several years ago, and I was trying to replicate that.

00:38:18.780 And that's what we've done.

00:38:20.140 I actually created this coffee that's – we use premium beans, and we roast it on a perforated drum.

00:38:27.960 And the way it tastes, it's smooth, even the dark roast.

00:38:31.520 And so it's not bitter.

00:38:33.200 It's not acidic.

00:38:34.420 And you can drink it black.

00:38:36.440 That was the goal.

00:38:37.400 And even the espresso that we've launched, you can drink the espresso black.

00:38:41.560 You don't need to put milk and sugar in the espresso because it's premium, and it's healthier to drink it that way.

00:38:48.640 Drinking it black is the way to drink it.

00:38:51.100 The milk and sugar is just literally there to cover up the taste of burnt coffee.

00:38:57.100 And most, probably 9 out of 10 roasters, they burn their coffee.

00:39:00.500 Some do it intentionally because they use cheap beans from all over the place to mask the taste, and some don't know what they're doing.

00:39:06.900 But burnt coffee needs milk and sugar.

00:39:10.580 Properly roasted coffee, you can drink it black.

00:39:13.460 So the website is warpath.coffee, and we're running 20% off for the War Room Posse.

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00:39:25.720 And like you said, Steve, we've got 7,000 five-star reviews, and it's growing.

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00:39:43.820 Yeah, no, I'm so proud of this because I'm a coffee aficionado, and it's just been so – the time and care you did for do the dark roast is amazing.

00:39:55.020 But everybody knows just they absolutely love it.

00:39:56.820 One more time, where do they go right now to read the reviews and see the great product offering you got, sir?

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00:40:38.620 Brother, thank you so much.

00:40:39.840 Tej Gill.

00:40:40.500 Thank you, Steve.

00:40:41.280 Appreciate it.

00:40:41.380 For the insights into the forever war as President Trump tries to wrap them up.

00:40:46.440 Of everything President Trump's doing, the verticals, we had Ube Shandahar, who is Rick Grinnell's right hand on the Kennedy Center, in the show last night, on the show in studio with us.

00:40:55.860 I spent a lot of time with Ambassador Grinnell talking about the Kennedy Center.

00:40:59.380 At CPAC, spent a lot of time with Grinnell, particularly the night that we had the international dinner, which he was the focus speaker, hosted by the War Room.

00:41:06.920 Roger Kimball joined us.

00:41:08.020 Roger, why is – of everything President Trump's doing, why is this one of the most important things, to take active charge of the Kennedy Center, sir?

00:41:17.620 Well, I think that the Kennedy Center has been taken over by the left.

00:41:26.440 It's become a playpen for the left.

00:41:28.860 You know, the president himself mentioned the presence of drag shows for divas or some such last summer.

00:41:40.140 That's not really what counts as edifying American culture.

00:41:45.380 It seems to me that this great country has been – done a lot about culture.

00:41:52.580 And unfortunately, the academic left has taken over the heights of culture and has perverted it.

00:42:02.900 And of course, the Kennedy Center is a very distinguished part.

00:42:08.580 But how did that – how did that happen?

00:42:11.320 Correct me wrong.

00:42:12.400 Before the war and even in the 1950s, the conservative – and it seemed like the conservative movement and people that were – I was a kid growing up.

00:42:20.040 One, it seemed like it was apolitical.

00:42:21.540 But two, it seemed like the conservatives had as much involvement, particularly high culture, particularly theater.

00:42:27.580 Yes, yes, yes.

00:42:29.900 Music, opera, art, all of it.

00:42:33.280 When did we surrender – did we consciously surrender it?

00:42:37.960 Was it taken?

00:42:38.780 I mean, how did that – how did we end in this situation to get these progressives that run the deal?

00:42:43.440 Right.

00:42:43.880 Well, if I could indulge in a brief moment of self-advertisement, a lot of the story is told in my book, The Long March, how the cultural revolution of the 1960s changed America.

00:42:58.740 I don't talk about the Kennedy Center, as I recall, but I do talk about the way in which our culture writ large was taken over by the passions of this – I hesitate to use the word utopian because some people think of the word utopian as a good thing.

00:43:18.620 But utopian can mean both the good place and no place, and for the kind of passions that stood behind the utopian movements of, for example, the French Revolution or the Communist Revolution or the Cultural Revolution of the 1960s, utopianism was a very bad thing.

00:43:47.080 That's how it happened.

00:43:49.780 And, you know, you see this everywhere.

00:43:52.860 You see this in our universities.

00:43:56.620 You see it in our schools, primary schools.

00:44:01.280 You see it in our cultural institutions like museums, symphony orchestras, and so on, where the toxin of what we now call DEI used to be called affirmative action. 0.55

00:44:15.240 It's the same kind of thing, but it undercuts and undermines a commitment to merit, to the idea that some things are nobler than others, some things are deeper than others, some things are better than others.

00:44:34.740 And the attack on merit, on quality, on excellence has been remorseless.

00:44:41.780 And just to shift gears a teeny bit, I think you and I were corresponding about a government – a quasi-government entity, or at least a government-funded entity called the National Endowment for Democracy.

00:45:00.360 I want to pivot to this, but I want to use the pivot is that one of the groups or institutions on the right, the National Review, used to be at the forefront of defending the culture and high culture.

00:45:12.080 And now – they kind of lost that fight, but now they've kind of flipped this article the other day.

00:45:19.000 In the National Review, which used to be the conservatives, I think, one of the biggest journal before New Criterion and others that you started, at the forefront of these cultural wars, they came out the other day.

00:45:29.480 America's enemies are rooting for the death of the National Endowment for Democracy.

00:45:33.440 And this – probably this article is the most anti-Trump, anti-MAGA, anti-populist nationalist article I've seen in a long time.

00:45:42.280 Can you take – we've got about five minutes.

00:45:43.720 I want you to break this down.

00:45:44.720 It's so shocking that they've been at the forefront defending the culture, and now they're doing this.

00:45:49.520 Right.

00:45:50.300 Yeah, it's not just National Review.

00:45:51.560 And I'm sure that whoever wrote this article – I doubt that it was really Peter Roskam, who's the chairman of the National Endowment for Democracy.

00:46:01.060 But it was a very disingenuous article of a piece with the article that was written for The Wall Street Journal a couple of months ago by William Galston, a left-wing progressive Democrat who worked for Bill Clinton and Al Gore and so on.

00:46:16.080 And also attempting to defend the National Endowment for Democracy, which, remember, was started by Ronald Reagan in the 1980s, 83, I think.

00:46:26.060 It was supposed to project soft power of the United States and help, you know, promote democracy and freedom and so on.

00:46:34.140 It's not doing that anymore.

00:46:35.840 It is totally – it's been totally inverted.

00:46:39.540 And this article was really – it was quite extraordinary.

00:46:43.220 He begins by saying things like, I was following Donald Trump's election.

00:46:49.180 I was pleased.

00:46:50.080 I was honored to be chosen as the chairman of NED.

00:46:52.980 Now, that suggests to me that Trump had something to do with his appointment, which is completely untrue.

00:46:59.900 He says, oh, well, our enemies abroad, China and Russia and so on, they applaud the fact that funding has been cut off for this agency.

00:47:09.600 But it's not just people abroad, it's also, he says, the people who – people here at home who question the value of Americans supporting those who seek freedom, which is completely disingenuous.

00:47:25.800 He also says that – he insinuates that the NED is somehow advancing President Trump's America First agenda, which is completely wrong.

00:47:35.880 The National Endowment for Democracy on their board are people like Victoria Nuland, her husband Bob Kagan is part of that, Michael McFaul at the Hoover Institution, Ann Applebaum, and it goes on and on and on.

00:47:53.200 These are – this is the war party, the forever war party.

00:47:56.940 And while the National Endowment for Democracy did some good in the 1980s when the enemy was the Soviet Union, it has been completely inverted like so many things in our culture, and it's now been weaponized against us, against ordinary Americans.

00:48:17.980 It's part of the global censorship network that J.D. Vance talked about in his splendid speech in Munich.

00:48:28.740 You know, they funded – they give thousands of grants every year, and you can't tell what they've given the money to.

00:48:36.680 It will say things like Russia and its neighbors for democracy development.

00:48:42.120 What does that mean?

00:48:43.100 Where is this money actually going?

00:48:44.880 We know some of the things they've –

00:48:48.360 Hey, we had Tej Gill on here who's a warrior front line.

00:48:51.900 I saw what he and his list of guys say, forever wars, and we lost all of them, and they just –

00:48:57.680 Most people think that's a guy just screaming over his lunchbox.

00:49:01.380 Do you think what you've seen in the National Endowment for Democracies and all of this, that there's something there and that actually some of the institutions in the United States funded by taxpayers?

00:49:10.660 Yes.

00:49:11.540 To actually, you know, bring peace was in the back of this?

00:49:16.020 He's completely right.

00:49:17.080 We're not allowed to win wars anymore.

00:49:18.780 That's one thing.

00:49:19.840 But it's also the financial interests in keeping something like the war in Ukraine going.

00:49:28.440 They're huge.

00:49:29.220 It's gigantic.

00:49:30.000 They do not want President Trump to make peace there.

00:49:36.600 What Trump is about – he's not pro-Putin.

00:49:39.780 That is a complete misnomer.

00:49:42.460 And he's not pro-Zelensky.

00:49:44.460 He's pro-peace.

00:49:45.760 A million people or more have died in that war.

00:49:50.580 What he wants – what President Trump wants to do is bring that to an end.

00:49:54.520 And that can be brought to an end by a negotiation.

00:49:59.580 This has been – this is something that people have been talking about at least since 2014 when the first – this first start – I mean, it has a prehistory, of course, but it really got going in its current incarnation, you might say, in 2014.

00:50:17.040 And the people who want to keep it going are, in many instances, the same people who are profiting from this war, this forever war.

00:50:29.000 So I agree with your previous guests.

00:50:32.540 Roger, we've got to bounce.

00:50:33.640 Where do people get your writings, New Criterion, all the journals and magazines you're back of, and particularly to your writings like The Long March?

00:50:39.540 Where do they go?

00:50:41.380 Well, that's a book that's – you just go to Amazon.

00:50:44.660 You can get that, The Long March.

00:50:47.540 I write a column for American Greatness.

00:50:49.900 I write a column for The Spectator World.

00:50:53.500 I write often for The London Telegraph, The New Criterion, and other places.

00:51:01.900 Yes.

00:51:03.840 Do you have social media?

00:51:05.340 What's your social media?

00:51:07.260 Oh, yeah.

00:51:08.420 It's just my name, Roger Kimball.

00:51:10.640 That's at X.

00:51:13.300 There it is.

00:51:14.100 At X.

00:51:15.240 We'll be happy when Roger Kimball is chairman or vice chairman of the Kennedy Center.

00:51:19.300 That's what we're working on.

00:51:20.660 He's a man of his stature and intellect.

00:51:22.520 Brother, thank you so much.

00:51:23.540 Appreciate you.

00:51:24.300 Steve, great.

00:51:25.120 Thanks.

00:51:25.880 The Right Stuff will take us out of a Tom Wolfe's masterpiece and another masterpiece by Philip Kaufman, the director.

00:51:34.800 Incredible film, incredible music.

00:51:36.520 The music won the Academy Award.

00:51:37.860 I guess the Academy Awards this weekend is going to be Sunday.

00:51:40.280 I'll make sure I miss that because I can't watch these films today because they're not really classics.

00:51:47.140 Back at 10 a.m. tomorrow morning, Eastern Standard Time.

00:51:51.340 We'll be on the road with The War Room.

00:51:55.680 We'll see you then.

00:51:56.860 Health isn't just a personal issue.

00:52:23.700 It's a family issue.

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00:52:26.160 We're living in unpredictable times.

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00:52:30.940 And let's not even start on the natural disasters.

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Bannon's War Room - February 28, 2025

WarRoom Battleground EP 714： The Politicization Of The intelligence Community

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