Stephen K. Bannon is back in the War Room to talk about the latest on the Hill, including the Supreme Court ruling on the Doge case, the impact of Elon Musk's appearance on Capitol Hill, and more.
00:01:29.300They talked about Doge, but look, some people are getting hung up now because it looks like a consensus is building around a CR instead of for the rest of the year.
00:01:37.780Instead of doing, you know, instead of doing, you know, a 30-day CR, get the appropriations bills done, or wait and make sure that if you do it, you cut spending by 1%, which is not much.
00:01:51.900But they're trying to avoid that by doing this end-of-year CR, and they want a clean CR.
00:01:56.580But people are asking the question, hey, how can we have all these Doge, George Brown, it's a trillion dollars here, it's a trillion dollars here, it's a hundred billion dollars here, it's a hundred billion dollars here.
00:02:05.040Yo, dude, we can't, you know, you do a CR, it's an up or down vote.
00:02:21.120But you're going to get taken to the Supreme Court right away, we know this, and last night, after the, you know, the speech, the Supreme Court had a very small ruling, kind of sentence, I shouldn't say small, on MSNBC and CNN, it's like it's the end of the Trump agenda.
00:02:41.060It's far from it, but the Supreme Court did not really put in the emergency docket and didn't say, hey, we're going to go see this.
00:02:47.320They sent it back to the judge to be more specific, and Natalie Winters from the White House, Mike Davis was pretty adamant, and he's close to these things, as you know.
00:02:57.060He said, hey, President Trump ain't writing a check for anything.
00:03:01.140I think this order is for $2 billion or something at USAID, and he's just saying, hey, not on my watch.
00:03:07.840Give us an update on this turmoil about spending, spending cuts, budget, CR, and particularly the Supreme Court of these United States kind of stepping in the middle here, ma'am.
00:03:19.840Sure. Well, I think it's important to note that the Democrats are really eager to make this one decision seem like some huge sweeping victory for them.
00:03:29.100Maybe it's, we'll call it a coping tactic, after last night.
00:03:32.900But I think, like Mike was sort of alluding to, this is some process that we're going to have to let play out through the courts.
00:03:39.960It's not that this decision necessarily reinstates USAID and all those people who were rightfully terminated or fired or so much of the waste, fraud, and abuse that they identified is going to just automatically come back.
00:03:52.520All it's essentially saying is that for work that had been accomplished under that sort of $2 billion umbrella, that those people will be compensated.
00:04:03.440Again, Mike Davis and other legal experts are probably better equipped to understand how that will work itself out and work its way through the courts.
00:04:11.820But I think, look, you're obviously talking about all things CR.
00:04:15.720And I think through the same lens, right, that we're sort of sitting here critiquing all these congressional Republicans who want to talk so tough about Doge and the spending cuts and post the pictures with Elon and act like they're all fully in on the waste, fraud, and abuse train.
00:04:29.520And while, you know, in the same breath, they're not doing anything to meaningfully cut spending, right, they're keeping it at Biden, if not even more inflated Biden levels.
00:04:37.900But I think that you can sort of draw that same comparison to what they're doing with USAID, because perhaps it's time for Congress to step up and defund, disband, do what, you know, President Trump was intending to do, that he was obstructed, potentially at least temporarily, via lawfare, and to stand in the breach and actually defund USAID, right?
00:04:58.300President Trump doing it via executive order through, you know, the executive branch was sort of a unique approach to it.
00:05:04.000And that's why you've seen some of this legal pushback, right?
00:05:06.200If you read the documents, if you read the argumentation, MSNBC always melts down and just says, oh, President Trump is depriving, you know, Congress of their authority.
00:05:15.160So I would say that if they really want to have President Trump's back, they have a wonderful opportunity right now.
00:05:20.820They've been set up to hit a home run.
00:06:22.480It's confirmed from these last, not just six weeks, six months, six years, but that there is no compromise with Democrats.
00:06:28.700And I think you saw that on full display last night, not just for refusing to clap over what may be one of the most patriotic and sweetest young men I've ever met.
00:06:38.040That is DJ Daniel, obviously applauding things like the southern border, just general things that are great for this country.
00:06:44.200But, Steve, to get more granular here, watching last night's speech gave me, I was going to say deja vu, maybe PTSD is more accurate terminology, but to the sort of first iteration of Trump resistance, right, to the 2016-era tactics.
00:07:00.380Now, what did I say before the speech actually started when we were doing our special coverage?
00:07:06.380That how they act would be a litmus test for whether or not they think that their newfound lawfare strategy, right, opposing President Trump primarily through the courts, sort of the brainchild of the Norm Eisen's of the world, was working.
00:07:20.120And evidently, right, by the fact not only are they rolling out the, you know, ugly pink dresses and the man, you know, old man with cane screaming and kicking out, getting kicked out, walking out, even the protesters outside the Capitol or the mass demonstrations that they've been doing.
00:07:36.480That is very reminiscent of 2016, and as someone who has really tracked the resistance, not just the money, but the people, the meetings, the planning, there was always a conscious, very conscious undertone of we don't want to repeat the mistakes that we did the first time around.
00:07:53.340And they were very cagey about mass mobilization and actual, for lack of a better word, kinetic protests, right, like boots on the ground.
00:08:01.620And I think that you saw that mask totally slip last night, not just from Democrat members of Congress, but even just from rolling out the activists, you know, obviously the paid protester types, right, sort of the continuation of what's been going on at these town halls.
00:08:18.100But I think that that was a very, very telling moment that Democrats are really scrambling in terms of trying to understand how to resist President Trump.
00:08:29.420You know, I don't have time to play it, but Nicole Wallace, I want to go to DJ for a second.
00:08:37.000Nicole Wallace had this bizarro, after seeing him last night, she had this bizarro, oh, he's a nice young man.
00:08:43.460I hope he doesn't end up committing suicide, if he stays as a policeman and fulfills his dream, I hope he doesn't end up committing suicide or having to testify.
00:08:53.120I mean, it just was this bizarre, it wasn't even a ranch, it was this kind of stream of consciousness.
00:09:03.040Because I think working in law enforcement and someone like DJ Daniel represents what it means to have a profession that is so in line with defending your country, being true to yourself, and just loving, like he said, President Trump.
00:09:16.640Frankly, I think it embodies, if you want to really get into it, actual masculinity.
00:09:20.400I think the idea that that Secret Service agent, the new director, who in that picture of, you know, President Trump is so strong and protecting and defending him.
00:09:28.960And then in the same, you know, what, just a few months later, he's there holding up, you know, hugging, celebrating with this young guy.
00:09:35.700That represents the renewal of America, and for someone like Nicole Wallace to sit there, who has only ever lied and lied and lied to the American people, has a profession that is, frankly, more degrading, disgusting, and depraved than, I mean, I put prostitution up there.
00:10:24.300I want to be cops and don't just want to be transgender, so I'm sorry that your programming didn't work.
00:10:30.100But I think DJ Daniel is a wonderful example of someone who, despite very unfortunate circumstances, has really held the line and stood in the breach of propaganda from losers and hacks, people like Nicole Wallace.
00:10:45.400Natalie, I thought of you, with Brennan today, they announced, you know, they were going to sign the deal, and I pushed it up for last night.
00:10:55.320President Trump not only did not do that, he says he signed an executive order to mind rehearse, particularly in places like Minnesota.
00:11:01.960Also today, as you know, he pulled the plug on intelligence sharing for Ukraine, and Brennan went off.
00:11:11.360Let's play the clip, because I thought of you about the color revolution, and there's a buried lead in here from Brennan himself, the former CIA director.
00:11:31.900U.S. support to Ukraine to confront Russian aggression has many different components to it.
00:11:38.980There are the weapons, there's the munitions, there's the logistical support and the technical systems that empower those capabilities.
00:11:46.900There's also military advice and guidance, and then there's intelligence.
00:11:50.780Intelligence is the lifeblood that gives all of those other components the capability to push back against the Russians.
00:11:56.820And so if you take away the intelligence, you're making the weapons, the capabilities, the munitions, technical systems, and other types of things enfeebled by taking that away.
00:12:06.620And so over the past, over a decade, the United States has been providing support to Ukraine to be able to build up its capabilities, but to, again, infuse their capabilities with the intelligence that we're able to obtain.
00:12:19.360And I must point out, this is not a one-way street.
00:12:21.340Over the past decade, the Ukrainians have provided a lot of intelligence to us, giving us insights about what Russian capabilities are.
00:12:28.520And so, therefore, this extortionist approach to trying to get Zelensky to basically fold to the Trump administration's wishes as far as some type of peace arrangement that looks more like a surrender in the way that Trump is talking about Putin and Russia.
00:12:55.800Over a decade would put you right at the color revolution.
00:12:58.960And Brennan is one of the leaders of the color revolution here, is he not, ma'am?
00:13:03.340Well, and it's also when, what, the Hunter Biden, I believe, and Anthony Fauci pardons began, but I'll digress on that.
00:13:11.600Look, I think that this idea of intel sharing, much like the long-range missile, you know, no conspiracies, no coincidences, I'm just saying.
00:13:18.980But it sort of goes to just the ability to always continue to escalate that war, right, whether it's the long-range missiles and their sort of litany of demands that I don't understand where they get the moral, ethical, or political superiority to think that they can make any demands to the United States.
00:13:34.720In the words of President Trump, you have no cards.
00:13:37.620The idea of intel sharing has always been sort of first and foremost.
00:13:41.500But I think that there's sort of the other side of the coin of this, which I think dovetails probably more closely with the color revolution tactics and, frankly, what I think this show is more concerned about, which is what is going on here at home.
00:13:52.500And so much of that has been the, and I use this word fully intentionally, which is the information warfare, the domestic propaganda, and I'm not just talking about what Obama did in terms of legalizing that, but the idea that they have played it very, very, very close to home and weaponized a lot of resources under Joe Biden to very carefully curate and craft narratives about why the Ukraine war started, the deaths, the, you know, just inability for really anything to actually break through on the ground, right?
00:14:21.000Remember the lies that they used to tell us, oh, Ukraine's winning, Ukraine's winning.
00:14:54.640There was a big news cycle, people may remember, where a lot of Americans and Westerners were registering with Farah to essentially work as like social media promotional agents to sort of lobby media outlets to cover Ukraine in a certain way.
00:15:11.120I remember one of those Farah filings even showed that people had reached out to people at the RNC trying to get, you know, certain coverage of Ukraine.
00:15:19.660And, you know, when I look at my background and so much of this being in CCP infiltration reporting like that, the Farah database is always sort of a goldmine for that.
00:15:28.560And I think that if you sort of continue out, right, what they've done, it always has been from the get go, a psychological operation to dupe Americans into thinking that the only way you can support democracy is by supporting Ukraine.
00:15:41.940And I know we've hammered this, but I think it's all the more important as we approach rather hopefully an impending audit.
00:15:49.400The Biden regime knew that the numbers in terms of support for the Ukraine war among American people were slipping drastically in the final months of his presidency.
00:15:58.560And instead of realizing that what the American people wanted to see was transparency and an audit, that would be the logical solution.
00:16:05.400They pushed the lie that the Ukraine war was actually boosting America's manufacturing base and industrial base and that it was great for the American economy.
00:16:13.440And that right there, I think, is one of the biggest tells that you've ever seen, that they knew what they would uncover with that audit would be so damning that the numbers would somehow ratchet up even more.
00:16:25.500So in terms of understanding what we need to audit, I think if there's any mineral deal that's signed, we need to make sure that Zelensky plays ball and gives us the list of names.
00:16:38.120One last thing, because you've been one of our lead investigators, but not the lead on the CCP, this issue with the tariffs.
00:16:46.480And President Trump's working on some arrangement of auto manufacturers, a little complicated on the Canadian side.
00:16:51.660But I guess one of the Chinese ambassadors, and I've got Forrest Chu is going to join us here at the bottom of the hour, said yesterday, he said, hey, if Buffett's right, this is economic war, we're ready for a trade war, we're ready for any type of war.
00:17:04.980Pete Hegseth came back today and said, the United States is ready if we have to go kinetic.
00:17:10.280Your thoughts about around the White House, what's the thinking?
00:17:14.680I mean, look, we're the anti-CCP guys, but is this ratcheting up a little too rapidly, at least in the rhetoric side, against the CCP, ma'am?
00:17:23.220Well, they said, and I quote, that they're ready to fight till the end.
00:17:29.420That's a direct quote coming from the Chinese embassy here in the United States.
00:17:33.760They were quote-tweeting that ambassador that you were talking about.
00:17:36.600I think that it's, frankly, the Chinese Communist Party admitting something, a strategy we've obviously discussed here for how long, which is the idea of unrestricted warfare, right?
00:17:45.840A people's war, which they've launched.
00:17:48.160I guess maybe they've realized the last four years they got to take a little sabbatical, a hiatus, right?
00:17:52.840Because they didn't need to wage that war because they were essentially invited in here with open arms.
00:17:57.940But the issue of the tariffs, President Trump is putting a, I believe, 30-day, kind of one-month pause for three of the top automobile manufacturers just to give them a little more time to work on reshoring and bringing a lot of the industrial car parts manufacturing back.
00:18:14.520You know, so much of that is done in Mexico, so they're working to reshore that.
00:18:18.420But, look, I think that the timing, right, of China really, really, really ratcheting up their rhetoric in terms of, you know, we're going to fight till the end and all that crazy pomp and circumstance, I think it's really rooted in the TSMC deal, right?
00:18:32.580There's yesterday the $100 billion for the five factories in Arizona because what have they done?
00:18:37.500They've worked decades and spent how much money and personnel and blood and treasure into, you know, infiltrating as opposed to invading this country.
00:18:46.200So deals like that are not allowed to be made for a litany of reasons, not just for national security and supply chain reasons, but also just to continue to tank our economy.
00:18:55.500And I think yesterday, like we said, was a paradigm shift.
00:18:59.060And, you know, the Chinese Communist Party always used these things in the sort of Thucydides trap lens.
00:19:04.520And I guess the United States makes a comeback.
00:19:06.800And maybe we're just not that declining power after all.
00:19:09.400Maybe they realized with the closure of USAID, the United States is no longer on the path of managed decline.
00:19:15.180I think they're lashing out like a petulant child.
00:19:18.940But it'll be interesting to see in terms of the rhetoric heating up.
00:20:13.900We put these tariffs on, and it's not like the old days.
00:20:17.500The ambassador to the United States, because the Chinese have a way, you know, the CCP has a way of kind of trying to accommodate and do things, you know, behind the scenes.
00:21:05.840Steve, as you well know, they've got a legitimation crisis.
00:21:09.200They have so many problems that they're facing that they're confronting today.
00:21:13.400They're supremely vulnerable to these pressures.
00:21:16.900And what President Trump is doing expertly is devising these tariffs to start chipping away, really, at the economic relationship that we have with the People's Republic of China.
00:21:32.560And you'll note, Steve, very well, the measures that President Trump announced last week, too, right, with respect to going after China.
00:21:44.820It's the recognition that the CCP is a threat to the United States.
00:21:50.160And the Trump administration is working actively to address it.
00:21:53.920So, of course, the ambassador and the foreign ministry are going to say these things, that they're ready for war.
00:21:59.840And they're willing to engage in any type of war that the U.S. wants.
00:22:06.760Well, in part, that's just recognizing the reality that, in fact, the CCP has been at war with the United States since they came to power in 1949.
00:22:15.200And then, as they restated again in 2019, when Xi Jinping, the communist dictator, declared people's war against the United States to focus the energies of the party and the people on the U.S.
00:22:29.260So that's just making explicit, really, what's been going on for a very long time.
00:22:35.500Hexeth's remarks were spot on and absolutely necessary.
00:22:38.980So we should expect this type of reaction from the CCP.
00:22:42.900They know they're vulnerable and they're trying to scare us off.
00:22:46.620But it's not going to work with President Trump and Secretary Hexeth and President Trump's team.
00:22:51.940Talk to me about – Forrest is going to join us here at the bottom of the hour.
00:22:57.960I want to go to a concept you brought up to me last night.
00:23:00.580I was talking about the Democrats and how they acted.
00:23:02.860He said, Steve, you're not really thinking through Lenin theory.
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00:43:13.820I'm saying forget whether we make a decision or not.
00:43:16.400Is the Seventh Fleet prepared to defend it?
00:43:19.080Are we prepared to take the Chinese Communist Party on if a shooting war starts in East Asia?
00:43:25.920Sir, is Pete Hegseth right to say, hey, you want to get it on, we're ready to get it on, and the United States will prevail, sir?
00:43:34.380Well, the U.S. military, of course, is a formidable force in any environment, in all environments.
00:43:39.860And so if the PRC were to make the decision to attack Taiwan, to attempt to conquer it, I think that they would incur very significant costs, which is, you know, what Pete Hegseth is doing, is doing underscoring our deterrent capabilities, which are considerable.
00:43:58.520There's no doubt a lot of work has got to be done, Steve, in terms of our conventional posture and in terms of our nuclear posture as well.
00:44:07.140But if the war were to come, of course, their political warfare is ongoing, as Forrest has stressed, right, that they've been waging war at us through many means for a very long time.
00:44:20.540If it were to go kinetic, of course, then U.S. capabilities in conjunction with allies like Japan are going to ensure that the PRC incurs a very significant cost in it.
00:44:34.140Trump administration is doing what it can do to turn this around.
00:44:37.960And you saw in the speech, the emphasis on shipbuilding, emphasized on military power.
00:44:46.140All of those are very positive developments, which are only going to further strengthen our deterrent, and if deterrent fails, warfighting capabilities in the Indo-Pacific.
00:44:55.940Dr. Thayer, where can people get your writings, your prolific, your knowledge of the Chinese Communist Party and the communist doctrine?
00:45:05.260You always continue to remind me, don't think of them in too much of a Western context.
00:45:09.560This is very much a Confucian mentality, but it's also primarily Marxist, Leninist ideology.
00:45:16.800So where do people go to get all your writings?
00:45:19.680Brad Thayer at Extra, Bradley Thayer at Getter and Truth.
00:45:30.980Forrest, you heard of Pete Heggs as Secretary of Defense, and you heard, you know, you've explained this wolf warrior mentality.
00:45:38.540Do you believe that the Chinese Communist Party is prepared to go to a kinetic war, a conflict now, over Taiwan, in the South China Sea, or in the Straits of Taiwan, sir?
00:45:49.260Okay, I think only a few people, including Xi Jinping and a handful of loyal persons, will want this war.
00:47:12.120You've brought us up to speed on that over the last six months to a year.
00:47:15.060A huge purge of the military under Xi.
00:47:18.120You're saying, did you just say you believe if there's actually a shooting war, if we go kinetic, that Lao Baixing, that will be the movement that Lao Baixing will overthrow the regime, sir?
00:47:28.740The Lao Baixing, including the internal people, which is the high-level people.
00:47:32.940Because they know the system is not sustainable.
00:47:36.400Because you saw even the high-level ranking people is thrown in prison and they disappeared.
00:50:05.280Geo, strategically, it is nothing short of breathtaking.
00:50:10.460This is the equivalent of the end of World War II.
00:50:13.120And remember, the end of World War II, from the time the shooting stopped, really in what, May through August of 1945,
00:50:21.160and then how destroyed Europe was, how destroyed mainland China was, how destroyed Japan was, and the Pacific Islands, just absent Southeast Asia.
00:50:29.940The toll of that war was absolutely horrific.
00:50:32.140And then it took years, including World War II really kind of kept going until the fall of China, really Chiang Kai-shek's surrender or move off of mainland China to then Formosa and Mao Zedong, taking over about 1949, the same with the consolidation of Stalin.
00:50:50.960From that time in this, you know, Kennan's long memo, the X memo, and the containment, and really the same system we have today, the post-war international rules-based order that eventually worked for a while, but then it didn't work.
00:51:04.980President Trump, whether it's in Ukraine, whether it's in the Middle East, he just put out another kind of ultimatum to the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, to what's happening with China from the Panama Canal to Greenland.
00:51:17.660Maybe I take a half hour or so to tomorrow and walk through it. It is absolutely stunning and breathtaking. Nothing short of that.
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00:51:39.900As Elon Musk goes up to Capitol Hill tonight, talk about taking down the administrative state, and the cuts are there, you have to look at another revenue source.
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