The New York Times and the Telegraph have a major expose of the Ukraine war. They speak to some 300 sources, not only in the US, but also in Ukraine, and also in other countries, about the lies told to the American people about our involvement in the war.
00:01:10.100Grace and Mo will be, and others will be, doing live coverage up on Getter,
00:01:13.980and others tonight to get you updated on Florida 1, Florida 6,
00:01:16.740and, of course, all important, Wisconsin.
00:01:21.520I'll be in and out as I'm available on all that.
00:01:25.260I wanted to take time tonight, though, because two, so many important things.
00:01:28.800So Patrick, Philip Patrick is going to join me a little bit later.
00:01:33.620Financial Times, huge article today about gold that I have to discuss with the audience.
00:01:38.340And then the New York Times and the Telegraph have had this major expose of Ukraine.
00:01:44.380And I want to do this on the eve of the tariffs because Europe's getting ready to blow back on these tariffs.
00:01:49.840We had this amazing show this morning with Natalie Winters and talking about the revolutionary nature of what remains of the Democratic Party.
00:01:58.360And I think that tonight, in the next 20 or 30 minutes, we're going to shock you by the lies you've been told,
00:02:07.320the bald-faced lies you've been told by this Ukraine war that we called on this show from the very beginning.
00:02:12.740I've had, I got, I'm taking this from two angles.
00:02:15.080I got Ben Harnwell, who's covered this from day one, our international editor in Rome.
00:02:51.140And I talked to so many of my colleagues that are in the military and people that are in national security or in the intelligence agency.
00:02:58.360And they were actually blown away, too, although this is widely known about how brazen this was, about the lies that were told the American people about our involvement in the war in Ukraine.
00:03:10.860Just give me your big picture, 60,000 feet view of how we fought this war from the beginning that was going to destroy the Ukrainian people.
00:03:20.280And now it's pretty obvious the Ukrainian soldiers were just like robots.
00:03:25.220They were just ants to be thrown out there, run by a combination of the American military, the CIA, and quite frankly, British commandos, their military, and plus MI6.
00:03:47.180And it really, in tone at least, confirms everything that the war room has been saying over the last three years.
00:03:53.260But your point in the introduction there is absolutely spot on.
00:03:56.260My first reaction to this New York Times investigation, and they're going on about how they've spoken over the last 12 months to some 300 sources, not only in the States, but also in Ukraine, and also in the rest of the cooperating powers, mostly all off the record.
00:04:16.160This is obviously a pitch for Pulitzer or something like that.
00:04:19.220Steve, my first reaction is, boys, too little, too late.
00:04:23.780The time to produce this expose on how your government has been lying to you was when Biden was still in power.
00:04:31.980Somewhat now, doing it now, is, I think, trying to restore your journalistic reputations.
00:05:30.880So clearly, and it had aspects of CIA involvement, paramilitary involvement, American Army Command, military command, all the technology associated with it.
00:06:05.300If you want to see the fingerprints, that the fact that we knew, they knew, is that the terms that they were using when they refused to call the Russian targets targets and had another invented technical word for them.
00:06:21.460That was precisely, and it's here in the article.
00:06:24.540So if you are asked, were you firing on Russian targets, you can say no.
00:06:29.180So you've got to step back and say, well, hang on.
00:06:30.900If we knew, we, the West, if we knew that the Russians were basically, you know, we're spying on them.
00:07:11.180So the first point is that the secrecy employed by the Americans was fundamentally to stop the American people knowing.
00:07:18.680Because, as I say, they knew, the Americans there on the ground in Ukraine knew full well that the Russians were watching.
00:07:25.900And, in fact, they're going through chapter and verse, we'll do this, but we won't do that, because they didn't want the Russians, they didn't want to cross the Russians' red lines.
00:07:33.740On the subject of the red lines, Steve, this is my second point.
00:07:38.480And this is my, you know, this is why what we learn in this New York Times expose is important to today and to President Trump today.
00:07:46.860It's a horror story, Steve, of how Biden's red lines continued to move throughout the three years as they were roped in.
00:07:58.020I won't say by the Ukrainians, but by events, they were roped in ever further.
00:08:03.600And, in fact, the word used in terms of tolerance of the risk assessment was continually widened as the Americans became more and more accepting of high risk.
00:08:15.160What that means in relation to the red lines is that the Americans are becoming ever more bolder, that they will get to the point when Putin might respond with some kind of nuclear tactical response.
00:08:29.760That is my lesson to Donald Trump, who still hasn't disengaged the United States from Ukraine.
00:08:35.420The danger here, and Biden manifestly failed to observe his own limits of acceptability, is that this is a situation, unless it's closed down, it will continue to grow.
00:08:47.800Wow. That's amazing. Hang on for one second. I'm going to come right back to that.
00:08:55.820Wow. Because you're saying that when you read this, there's fresh warnings today about getting sucked in because you see how Biden and these guys got sucked in
00:09:03.380and continue to move the goalposts and just got in deeper and deeper.
00:09:07.060Reminds me of Iraq, Afghanistan and Vietnam.
00:09:10.380I hate to say it, folks, but this thing, when you read it, you just feel like you're getting sucked into a vortex.
00:09:15.220You're saying that that is the issues today, particularly when you have this economic deal, you're trying to get peace, but you just – and Zelensky, you know, rejects economic deal, turns around and rejects more.
00:09:27.240They still haven't come up with the security force, and it's always out there that you're going to get sucked into this step by step.
00:09:35.880Next thing you know, you're in the vortex.
00:09:39.320It is me saying that, but it's there in the article.
00:09:42.700For anyone who goes online – and we'll post the link to this New York Times piece afterwards – read the article, download it.
00:10:23.060By a piecemeal incremental move, succession, whatever that being your intention at the beginning,
00:10:30.000you find yourself in a position of a three is that you would have never have countenanced at the start.
00:10:35.180And this is the worry – you know, we've said this repeatedly on the show – this is the worry that I would very gently refer to President Trump that he is in.
00:10:44.380Because now – and this is a risk that we did point out before the inauguration – there's going to come a point – and it actually came far sooner than I was expecting.
00:10:53.140I thought it would be like a matter of months.
00:10:55.500It was really a matter because President Trump is such a dominant personality.
00:10:59.520And it came within like a few days or a week that any abandonment of Ukraine is going to now hit President Trump at some point.
00:11:11.060His reputation will be damaged at this, even if he sort of totally disengages now.
00:11:15.900And that's just inevitable because he is so firmly seen as the boss in the United States.
00:11:21.180No one's going to remember. Joe Biden's a distant memory already.
00:11:25.720And that's one of the virtues of Donald Trump and his huge presence.
00:11:30.520But it does have a consequence that he's still here in Ukraine.
00:11:34.940And if he pulls out now – I mean, if he pulls out further down the line after committing himself further, he will have his reputation damaged.
00:11:43.340So all we can do, Steve, I suppose on this point, all we can do is that is that minimize that consequence before it grows.
00:11:54.360Tej, you fought in these forever wars in the Middle East.
00:11:59.380When you read this, I mean, it kind of looked at me like CENTCOM with the Ford deployed in what Qatar or whatever they ran – or Kuwait, wherever they ran these operations both in Afghanistan and Iraq out of.
00:12:11.160It was shocking to me the scale that the American military involvement in this war and really command and control.
00:13:12.340And I read the New York Times article talking about we set up – like you're saying, like Qatar, that's where we ran Afghanistan out of.
00:13:23.060So we set up a command element, a joint operations center, tactical operations center, whatever you want to call it, in Germany.
00:13:31.540And that's where the CIA, the Brits, and us ran the generals for Ukraine.
00:13:38.400And also I saw in the Telegraph that at the beginning of the war, the British naval commandos went in and extracted two Ukrainian commandos.
00:13:48.060And I guess that's not a surprise to me either.
00:13:53.600Friends of mine, Navy SEALs, they actually pulled Karzai off a mountaintop at the beginning of the Afghan war when he was part of the Northern Alliance.
00:14:03.600And they're like, hey, we need to get this guy.
00:14:07.980As soon as Russia invaded, the British commandos went in and extracted two Ukrainian generals and took them out to Poland and then to Germany.
00:14:22.060And I also saw that the Navy and the CIA were authorized to share targeting information about the Russian fleet in the Black Sea, in Crimea.
00:14:32.480And we, through Ukraine, sunk one third of Russia's Black Sea fleet, which is huge.
00:14:41.880And, you know, we're behind everything.
00:14:44.300We're behind the development of the weapons that Ukraine has a really advanced sea drone program where they have boats with outboard motors and they're stealthy and they have Starlink on them and they're unmanned.
00:14:56.680And they use these things to swarm Russian ships and sink them.
00:15:01.500And it has been very successful for Ukraine doing this.
00:15:04.920And also, I see in this New York Times article, it talks about how U.S. advisors are allowed to go into Ukraine and, you know, do the advise and assist mission.
00:15:17.560They stay back from the front lines-ish and they advise and assist the Ukrainians.
00:15:22.660So, basically, Ukraine is a puppet for us.
00:16:58.260And with all the stuff going on, this article has – as explosive as it is, this is equivalent to the Washington Post doing the Afghan papers back in 2020 when we did day after day.
00:17:10.520I said these things are more explosive than the Pentagon papers because they show that we've been lied to, bald-faced lied to by Republicans and Democrats, basically the administrative and deep state, about the success of the war.
00:17:24.260And I knew this in 2017 when President Trump tasked me to say, hey, can you get this thing wound down as quickly as possible?
00:17:43.460I was going to say, this is just the stuff that's come out in the mainstream news.
00:17:48.540There's – this is just the tip of the iceberg, Steve.
00:17:50.900There's plenty more that we don't know about.
00:17:53.200So, if this is shocking to people, then there is another mountain of information that we have been doing in Ukraine in these wars.
00:18:00.800And then here's the part that actually surprises me is our CIA went in and basically salvaged the Ukrainian intelligence services and retrofitted them, trained them, and made them into like a top-notch intelligence service.
00:18:19.060And it's not just for the Ukraine-Russia war.
00:18:21.740We actually saw these Ukrainian operatives on the ground in Syria last – whatever it was, two months ago, went over through that.
00:18:29.560So, now we're actually using their intelligence service as a proxy intelligence service to conduct sabotage and other operations around the world.
00:18:40.720So, there's a lot more to this than just Ukraine-Russia.
00:18:43.960We're actually using their intelligence service that we created to do our dirty work around the planet.
00:18:49.040It's not – it goes much further than just Ukraine and Russia.
00:18:52.200That's the part that's shocking to me.
00:18:55.240And then the – you know, we have these Patriot missile batteries on the ground over there.
00:19:00.360Those are top-secret missile systems with encrypted targeting systems that we have to man and feed the targeting systems into.
00:19:07.880We can't just give that information to the Ukrainians.
00:19:10.620And then same thing with the HIMARS missile systems.
00:19:14.320The targeting systems in those is a top-secret encrypted system.
00:19:40.000I think the last 12 months of the Biden administration, they set the stage for Trump.
00:19:46.080So, he can't just shut this war down overnight.
00:19:49.920It's gone so deep and it's so complex and it's so dirty that it's going to be very difficult for him to wind this thing down as we're seeing.
00:22:29.600This is – our nation essentially went to war against the Russian people and killed because of the – if they didn't have the expertise and sophistication and battle-hardened combat experience of the American military and paramilitary and CIA command,
00:22:46.040the Ukrainians would have never put up the punch.
00:22:50.560This answers the question, how in the hell is this ragtag army being as good as they are?
00:22:55.740The reason was they have tough and courageous troops who can fight with virtually nothing,
00:23:00.560and you had super sophisticated people that had learned in 20 years of war in Iraq and Afghanistan how to run the deal.
00:23:08.040Yeah, I think it's going to be very tough for the Russians to forgive and forget what America did on this – during this Ukraine thing, killing all these people.
00:23:19.360I think it's almost like – it would be almost like immediately after 9-11 asking Americans to forgive and forget what the al-Qaeda and Taliban did to New York City.
00:23:28.620So – but, you know, I guess it's one of those things that only time will tell and time heals.
00:23:35.520Hopefully they see that it wasn't America as a whole.
00:23:40.900It was just some of our corrupt politicians in a deep state.
00:23:50.060I'm going to bring Ben back after the break of the bottom of the hour.
00:23:52.740But Tej, nothing showed me more than – because you're a patriot.
00:23:58.060I think you did 12 or 14 tours in defense of your country, some as a SEAL and then some as a contractor because basically they just want to get you off the health and retirement benefits, off the balance sheet, as we say.
00:24:09.980Nothing showed me more of why you wanted to get out than this because this is where American troops in Iraq and Afghanistan were just used as the cannon fodder, to be blunt, that the Ukrainian troops – the commonality of the warriors here at the tip of the spear is actually tragic.
00:24:26.640When you think about these Ukrainian soldiers and then you think back over Iraq and Afghanistan, how the same maniacal focus.
00:24:34.020So now I know more than ever why you went and started the coffee company, sir.
00:24:38.360I'm all for war as long as it's legitimate and it's – there's a real reason we're fighting.
00:24:44.240But when it's to enrich politicians, I'm not on board.
00:24:49.500And that's the name of the game in these wars lately.
00:24:54.180We just go over there and fight and fight and fight in endless wars.
00:24:57.780World War II, we used to do unconditional surrender.
00:25:00.680When's the last time you saw one of our enemies surrender unconditionally?
00:25:04.080And we'll see, you know, if we get in a war with these cartels on the south, are we going to just crush them and allow the warfighters to do their job?
00:25:13.760Or is this going to be another conflict where the politicians and Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman make a bunch of money?
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00:31:43.740I actually was going to play the CNN thing with Dugan, talking about, you know, the Russian rapprochement and what that could mean for the future.
00:31:52.120But I'll have to play that another time.
00:33:00.260It says the locations of Russian forces would be, inverted commas, points of interest.
00:33:06.100Intelligence on airborne threat would be tracks of interest.
00:33:10.020So those are the two terms, not targets, points of interest and tracks of interest.
00:33:14.640And then it directly says here, if you ever get asked the question, did you pass a target to the Ukrainians, you can legitimately not be lying when you say, no, I did not want U.S.
00:33:31.200Obviously, what the New York Times doesn't go into is that who would be doing the questioning.
00:33:35.300Well, considering we're talking about military advisors over there in Ukraine, which is under attack by the Russians, the foreseeable circumstance would be if you are taken by Russians and questioned, you cannot be legitimately lying.
00:33:56.360Now, that eventuality is extremely important.
00:33:59.880And it comes back to what Tej Gill had mentioned when he was talking earlier about these two Ukrainian generals who were taken by U.S. under armed escorts, it says in the New York Times article, under armed guards, taken from Kiev to Poland and flown from Poland to Wiesbaden in southwest Germany, which is where this is all being handled.
00:34:25.500And the New York Times makes an aside, a descriptive aside, that the generals and their armed guards were wearing civilian clothes.
00:34:35.540When I mentioned the Russians earlier, the possibility of Americans being captured by the Russians, the fact that this is something, you know, I remember I mentioned this on the war room like a couple of years ago, the fact that they are enemy combatants not wearing uniform would be deprived them totally of their Article 4 Geneva Convention protections as prisoners of war.
00:35:00.340And what Tej Gill was also saying about how American soldiers were basically sent over, and what you were saying earlier, just being sent over in Syria and Afghanistan and Iraq as cannon fodder, this is how much they are appreciated, how much they are valued by their high command, because they do not wear uniform, to wear civilian clothes.
00:35:24.460And go there, as the New York Times says, carrying guns, as you escort these generals, as you're out of danger.
00:35:32.100They would have been instructed not to wear military uniform for that, and presumably all their other operations there.
00:35:41.040That is, I would say, I would say, verging on criminal, considering there is no declaration of war between the United States and Russia, and that these soldiers are actively working on, excuse me, military advisors, are actively working on destroying Russian targets inside Russia.
00:35:59.420That is, that is, so one question, I'll close for this, because I know we've got to hand over to Philip Patrick now.
00:36:03.900My question to this, now that there's a new guy in charge at the Pentagon, a question for the Secretary of State, find the instructions on what these Americans were wearing there, and publish them.
00:36:17.980And then everyone can see just how evil the previous regime was, how little it cared.
00:36:23.760We know it didn't care for the Ukrainians, as you said, fighting them down to the last one.
00:36:27.500How little they cared, even for Americans who were over there, that they would knowingly send them out there, deprived of their Geneva Convention protections.
00:36:39.500Yeah, I think you meant the Secretary of Defense, and there needs to be a massive investigation of this, and people need to be held accountable for this.
00:36:46.100I think there are massive crimes that we committed here, massive crimes.
00:37:32.540Both economists and the Financial Times were both established in the same kind of time period back in 19th century England around the corn laws.
00:37:40.380And they were they were the paper of the capitalist.
00:37:42.600So they hate anything related to tariffs.
00:37:44.680They hate anything related to protectionism.
00:37:49.780This article does a pretty good job of actually going to the forces driving it.
00:37:52.900Why is the Financial Times now finally caught up with what we've been talking about on War Room with Birch Gold for the last four years, sir?
00:42:10.860It's like 50% equity, but I think debt's 30 and 20 should be private investments, other asset classes.
00:42:17.200That led to me that at least part of that was going to be in precious metals and gold.
00:42:22.820In the run-up to the financial collapse in the bubble of 2008, you had a thing called the Greenspan put.
00:42:30.120The traders always felt that if everything got out of control, Greenspan would always be in to basically increase liquidity at the Federal Reserve or to lower interest rates.
00:42:42.300Basically, that'll bail us out, you know, if we get too speculative here, we'll have the Federal Reserve chairman bail us out.
00:42:48.180And it got to be known, as you know, Philip, the Greenspan put.
00:42:51.000And that's how things got too out of control when they finally stopped that because of they thought they were getting too, you know,
00:42:58.840they're getting too, the Bush administration thought they're getting too over their skis.
00:43:02.640They basically pulled the plug and no more bailout.
00:43:04.800They bailed out Barrett Stearns and didn't bail out Lehman Brothers.
00:43:08.580The whole thing started to unwind and collapse in the 2008.
00:43:12.300What Philip Patrick says, people here understand there's no Trump put and there's no Trump put.
00:43:19.180And so what they're doing is they're going, the corporations now are buying gold used to be a hedge.
00:43:24.220They're buying it as actually an asset class.
00:43:26.300When Philip Patrick, he's much younger than I am.
00:43:28.420When he was an investment banker in the late 90s, early 2000s, or when I was an investment banker back from the mid 80s to the early 2000s,
00:43:36.120if you had told an investment banker and talked about gold as an investment alternative, you go, what are you talking about?
00:43:40.700That's these gold, that's these crazy gold bugs, right?
00:43:43.760It's a hedge, but it's certainly not an investment.
00:43:47.080What you've just made this fundamental point is that it's not simply central banks anymore.
00:44:10.540And honestly, it even surprised me, right?
00:44:13.340But Trump is standing firm and he's doing what needs to be done.
00:44:16.920And ultimately, I think investors at the moment are realizing that there isn't a safe alternative, right?
00:44:22.620Between capital markets suffering their worst quarter in three years, the federal government's record deficit in February, nothing at the moment looks safe.
00:44:32.860Factor in Liberation Day coming April 2nd, right?
00:44:36.420There's a ton of volatility, widespread trade disruption.
00:44:40.980And I think gold is looking more and more and more attractive in periods of instability and ultimately a lack of options.
00:44:47.700I mean, sitting in cash or equivalents doesn't even work today.
00:44:51.300So I think a combination of all of these forces making gold more and more attractive and projections are rising every single day.
00:45:00.260They're now saying 4,500 in the next two years.
00:45:03.320So no surprise with gold prices, but I expect them to continue to rise.
00:45:08.940What do you, for people that this is all foreign to, they've never done this before, right?
00:45:17.300I know you've got a bunch of instruments, you know, whether 401ks, you know, ERAs, IRAs that you can do with, you know, to basically defer taxes for a while.
00:45:27.100But how do people actually figure out, you know, hey, I want to own physical gold, who I talk to.
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00:46:09.840You know, get reading, get educated, because I think the best decisions can be made from an informed perspective.
00:46:15.940It's why information is so important to us.
00:47:48.580It's one of the reasons that when sponsors come on, we're, I think, a little bit different than everybody else.
00:47:52.680We say, hey, we're going to spend a lot more time.
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00:48:04.900We spend a lot of time with the sponsors and go through not just breaking news, but where their business is going and how it can best benefit our audience.
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00:48:57.640You know, the PLA is having this naval exercise around Taiwan right now.
00:49:03.300It's one of the things that Jim Fennell and these guys tell me every day we've got to keep our eye on.
00:49:06.920The Chinese Communist Party is making moves.
00:49:09.280One move they're going to make, and we haven't solved this from the pandemic when we became aware of it because of Rosemary Gibson and her great book.
00:49:16.380They talk about the strategic stranglehold that the Chinese Communist Party have on supply chains, and particularly on medical supply chains.
00:49:23.520Remember, you couldn't even get a mask made over here?
00:49:46.620One of the things we want to make sure people do is you don't get caught in these jams where something happens, like when the pandemic hit.
00:49:51.600Remember, we shifted the show from impeachment to pandemic.
00:49:59.500But, hey, we know it didn't require a vaccine to solve.
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00:50:06.300But the trauma that the nation went through at first in trying to sort this thing out, one of the big problems was the supply chains were totally controlled by the Chinese Communist Party.
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