Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 751： The Political Economy Of Autism

00:00:00.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:00:21.780 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.

00:00:25.760 I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.

00:00:31.400 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:00:33.400 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:00:34.800 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop

00:00:37.220 it.

00:00:38.220 It's going to happen.

00:00:39.220 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?

00:00:42.140 Mega Media.

00:00:43.140 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:00:49.160 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:00:52.820 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:00:59.140 War Room.

00:01:00.140 Here's your host, Stephen K.

00:01:01.940 Bannon.

00:01:05.940 It's Easter Monday, 21 April in the year of our Lord 2025 and an explosive news day, actually

00:01:14.860 all weekend.

00:01:16.140 I want to go back to something he said that in the last hour, for the people in the White 0.88

00:01:21.220 House, people in President Trump's administration, obviously President Trump is family always.

00:01:25.960 But I think sometimes the White House staff gets overlooked in all the different Branton,

00:01:32.720 NEC, NSC, all of it.

00:01:36.180 The hundreds of people that actually work at the White House.

00:01:38.620 Natalie will tell you when she's over there.

00:01:40.020 The entire executive office building, you have the Domestic Policy Council, the National

00:01:46.520 Economic Council, the National Security Council.

00:01:48.980 These are filled with dozens and dozens of people that are doing the hard analysis to

00:01:53.320 come up with all the policies and coordinates everything that goes on in the administration.

00:01:57.740 Besides all the people in the in the agencies, you know, in the Defense Department, over at

00:02:05.220 D&I and State Department this weekend on Easter weekend.

00:02:09.960 I mean, Pete Hegseth and in in Marco, Senator Rubio, Secretary of State.

00:02:15.960 I couldn't even rest or think on Easter Sunday because it came to him so visually early morning.

00:02:22.360 The story's breaking.

00:02:23.220 New York Times about some executive order of he's taking apart the State Department.

00:02:27.160 He's doing what President Trump was elected to do and they're going along statutory lines.

00:02:32.080 But there's going to be a major restructuring in the State Department.

00:02:35.220 And they're howling because, you know, Foggy Bottom is where the is where the progressives

00:02:40.220 live and they won't give that one up.

00:02:42.820 People have talked about and talked about and talk.

00:02:45.540 Conservatives have talked about it.

00:02:47.660 President Reagan talked about it.

00:02:48.900 Nobody could get control of the State Department.

00:02:50.640 Donald John Trump's getting control of it because he's smashing it.

00:02:53.300 And all the all the all the miss all the bad decisions that came out of there, all the evil

00:03:01.220 that came out of there.

00:03:03.580 You had these you have they're trying to destroy Pete Hegseth.

00:03:06.600 I hope you understand that trying to destroy Pete Hegseth.

00:03:08.940 Pete Hegseth is a good man.

00:03:10.900 This audience has had his back and we're going to get on it tomorrow because they're coming

00:03:15.300 for Pete like nobody's business.

00:03:18.540 And once you you know, it's got to be no scalps.

00:03:22.300 Because once they get one, they're coming for all of them.

00:03:24.380 That's just like on the confirmations.

00:03:27.740 John, yeah, we got a little more time.

00:03:29.080 That's why I like the six o'clock hour.

00:03:31.060 I can kind of expand out.

00:03:32.860 Don't have the brutal clocks we have on the on the 10, the 11 and in the five.

00:03:38.240 I want to go back to your alternatives is that the situation pros with Pope Francis, even

00:03:46.060 from people, not Catholics, obviously for Catholics and the traditional Catholics that watch and

00:03:50.680 listen to the war room, it's urgent for everybody else.

00:03:54.720 It should be very important.

00:03:55.840 There's another massive institution that means so much about setting, turning our world around.

00:04:02.100 This has been taken over.

00:04:03.540 The Catholic Church, unfortunately, has been taken over by these globalists.

00:04:08.240 And it's not good.

00:04:11.360 Really not good.

00:04:13.020 And I've spent a lot of time in Rome and a lot of time around the Vatican.

00:04:16.620 That's why I've always had it.

00:04:17.720 Breitbart, I launched Breitbart Rome with the great Tom Williams.

00:04:20.280 Hopefully we'll get Tom on in the next couple of days.

00:04:22.500 From the very beginning, we we always had something in Rome here in the war room.

00:04:29.060 And why was that?

00:04:30.180 This book explains it.

00:04:31.360 This book is written by a New York Times reporter that wrote the the book on the Warren

00:04:35.780 Commission, which was a cruel and shocking act.

00:04:38.700 The history of the Warren Commission, secret history of the Warren Commission.

00:04:40.920 And it was quite powerful.

00:04:43.140 Philip Shannon, Shannon.

00:04:45.980 And this is called Jesus Wept.

00:04:48.960 And it was I had the book, but hadn't got a chance to read it because I'm so backed up

00:04:52.560 on some of my other things.

00:04:53.340 And it was the great Eric Bolling that told me the other day we do the transition.

00:04:56.400 He says, hey, I was reading this book on the Popes.

00:04:58.860 Last time of the Popes, you have a big there's a big section in there about you.

00:05:02.680 I go, wow.

00:05:04.100 And it was about my time I spent in the Vatican and, you know, starting Breitbart, Rome, and

00:05:10.500 also with the great Ben Harnwell, even before the war room, before the before the the Trump

00:05:17.060 years of fighting Bergoglio and what was happening to the church under him.

00:05:23.780 You can tell it right then with traditional Catholics like Cardinal Burke and others.

00:05:30.040 So and it's quite amazing.

00:05:31.860 I'll be able to break out the sections we'll talk about in the next couple of days because

00:05:34.580 this guy, he does not love the church at all.

00:05:36.720 He's not a Catholic. 0.73

00:05:37.420 He doesn't love the church.

00:05:39.400 John Yep.

00:05:40.020 Your analysis, I think, is my perspective.

00:05:43.320 That's the analysis people have to look for because the global media and you see this

00:05:47.500 just fawning over over Bergoglio in the last, you know, 12, 14 hours shows you how they're

00:05:54.260 going to play this.

00:05:56.120 We were in very dangerous territory as the kind of MAGA, you know, the MAGA movement in

00:06:03.220 the church, this traditional people coming to a traditional Catholicism, going back to

00:06:09.360 pre-Vatican Council, both for Latin mass.

00:06:12.800 But it doesn't have to just be Latin mass.

00:06:14.460 Some of these traditional Catholics are not Latin mass Catholics, but are very traditional.

00:06:20.720 And what is amazing is that you are having so many young people come to this that it's

00:06:26.300 quite it's quite innervating.

00:06:28.480 So walk me through the danger that is before us, sir.

00:06:32.900 We're living in a historic time because we have probably just ended one of the worst

00:06:38.440 pontificates in the history of the Catholic Church.

00:06:40.380 Like, truly, just from the, you know, the obfuscation of Catholic doctrine to the partnering

00:06:47.160 with globalist institutions like the CCP, right?

00:06:51.820 And obviously, the sexual cover-ups have continued, really, through McCarrick and Father Rupnick

00:06:56.020 and others, right?

00:06:56.660 So, you know, this has been a disaster in many ways.

00:07:00.240 That being said, what a lot of us are seeing on the front lines, we're flashing the warning

00:07:05.660 signs because, really, Paul Revere riding through the streets of the towns of the traditionalist

00:07:09.340 church is, like, waking people up.

00:07:10.460 Because why?

00:07:11.280 Here's the deal.

00:07:12.720 You've got three Fs is not for the Pope.

00:07:14.520 You've got a really good guy, okay, who can be named, like a Colonel Raymond Burke or

00:07:19.360 Colonel Seurat, which is almost for sure not going to happen.

00:07:22.820 Who knows?

00:07:23.740 The second thing would be, like, the bad and what we would think is the worst option, but

00:07:27.620 not really the worst.

00:07:28.940 Like, you could see that in Colonel Perlin, the Secretary of State.

00:07:32.580 Third option, this is the key, okay?

00:07:35.200 So there's good, there's bad, and there's moderate.

00:07:37.480 Moderate, we think, okay, okay, that's an option.

00:07:39.740 We'll take that.

00:07:40.240 If we can't get our good one, we'll take a moderate.

00:07:42.260 Wrong, wrong, wrong.

00:07:43.920 That is absolutely the worst thing that could happen because that will lull people to sleep.

00:07:49.180 Catholics for Catholics, one of the main reasons that we were born or we decided to get going

00:07:53.660 in this country, it wasn't even to go after the, I guess you'd call them liberal or Catholics 0.99

00:07:59.020 following, like the Cardinal McElroys or Zupiches or whatever.

00:08:02.020 It was specifically to wake up the mass of Catholics who are content with getting the 1.00

00:08:08.260 pieces and crumbs fed from them from the table.

00:08:11.140 If you're not Catholic, you're like, what are you talking about? 0.99

00:08:13.340 It's almost akin to being content with a rhino president, okay, who just, like, gives you 0.94

00:08:18.320 there, says what you got to hear, and then puts you back to sleep, and that's it.

00:08:20.860 We would not be in this nearly miraculous state as a country if it had not been for

00:08:26.900 the bullheadedness of President Donald Trump, okay?

00:08:31.380 And that's what we need somebody like that in Rome.

00:08:35.840 Is that possible?

00:08:36.780 Of course it's possible through prayer and also action.

00:08:38.960 We had some ideas on that, but that's essentially how I see this.

00:08:41.880 It's a golden opportunity that we can't waste because some of the strongest groups and

00:08:47.000 traditionalists have converted in this past 15 years here in the church in America.

00:08:50.860 America have come about precisely upon seeing what has gone on in Rome.

00:08:55.800 Like you mentioned, Steve, Pachamama people.

00:08:58.180 Let's remember, Pachamama is a pagan deity was put onto the high altar of St.

00:09:04.740 Peter's Cathedral.

00:09:06.820 Insanity.

00:09:07.600 You and I are Catholics, Steve.

00:09:08.740 How in the world are we supposed to explain ourselves to non-Catholics when we try to do 1.00

00:09:13.460 this is the one true faith, right?

00:09:14.580 It's been horrible and rightful shame on us.

00:09:18.380 That incident.

00:09:22.160 And by the way, remember, this was the guy that went to the border and had the mass and

00:09:27.920 called Trump all types of evil in 2016.

00:09:34.080 He has fought President Trump and fought everything related to MAGA.

00:09:38.020 Hates President Trump.

00:09:39.320 Hates MAGA. 0.96

00:09:39.960 I think he hates the United States of America. 0.97

00:09:42.180 And people are going to say, Bannon, you're so terrible.

00:09:43.980 How can you say hate on the guy that died?

00:09:45.600 Well, you can see by his actions.

00:09:48.580 By their fruits, ye shall know them.

00:09:51.540 In the Gospel according to St.

00:09:53.240 Matthew.

00:09:53.880 By their fruits, ye shall know them.

00:09:57.260 By the culmination of their works.

00:10:00.560 John, yep.

00:10:02.760 Well, that you brought that up.

00:10:03.860 I mean, you're not saying this out of hate, people.

00:10:06.380 Jorge Bergoglio, I guarantee you that if he were to come back right now from the dead

00:10:12.020 and be present among us, he would be begging that we pray to God for him.

00:10:16.020 I really believe that because he would recognize fully what I did on this earth as the vicar

00:10:21.460 of Christ was no bueno and caused great scandal in the church.

00:10:25.540 We are saying this for his soul and also for the souls of other people out there who have

00:10:30.140 been lulled back into this like post-mortem state of like, okay, Pope Francis was a great

00:10:34.660 person, many recipes.

00:10:36.140 We didn't agree with him on totally everything, but we're going to move on.

00:10:38.820 It was much worse.

00:10:39.920 You have to correctly diagnose the illness, the sickness, in order for the remedy to be

00:10:46.000 had.

00:10:46.640 That's key.

00:10:49.560 One of the great awakening moments, I think, for a lot of people of everything he did on

00:10:54.200 climate change in the church and going after traditional Catholic doctrine.

00:10:58.200 But I think it came up in something that maybe many of the Protestants or the people who

00:11:02.880 are secular audience, he had this religion from this pagan religion.

00:11:08.000 They had some, they had a conference about it at the Vatican and they put it up on the

00:11:13.000 altar.

00:11:13.340 They put the, one of the, the, the central, uh, you know, parts of this religion up, up

00:11:19.920 at a high place of honor and a young, I think the guy was Dutch or he was German.

00:11:25.300 There was a young man that went and took it, Austrian, a conservative, right winger from

00:11:30.800 Austria, a conservative, the kid, this young man took it and took it down to the Tiber

00:11:34.900 river under threat of all kinds of crimes and threw it into the Tiber and they melted down.

00:11:41.020 And one thing I, I thought about in going back over what they had done in the, in the,

00:11:45.180 in the days of this conference in the, the pagans had more respect for their services and their

00:11:54.720 tradition of worship on these pagan idols than the highest level of the Catholic church.

00:12:01.340 This is not, this is not folks in some, you know, dilapidated parish in, in, in Michigan

00:12:08.660 or in Kentucky or in Missouri, out West, wherever you want to say inner city, New York, this is

00:12:13.400 the highest, most elite level in the Vatican with no respect whatsoever for the traditions

00:12:20.200 of Catholicism.

00:12:21.200 And here, these pagans who they invited in, they had more respect for the service.

00:12:26.120 You sit there and go, this is so far gone.

00:12:29.400 I don't even know how you turn it around, but yep.

00:12:32.120 It's, it's people like you and Catholics for Catholics and other groups over the last couple

00:12:37.440 of years, because it was grim in the early years of his pontificate, you know, going there

00:12:43.280 with Ben Harnwell, when we decided to really start taking action and organize people, it

00:12:47.800 was grim.

00:12:48.660 And the same type of things they came after the same way, the deep state came after the

00:12:53.880 Trump movement in 2021.

00:12:55.520 That is a little bit like Rome was in trying to organize these things.

00:13:01.600 The, the people were afraid.

00:13:03.520 They were afraid to speak out.

00:13:05.200 They were afraid to be associated people.

00:13:06.920 They were afraid.

00:13:07.560 They, the same type of fear I saw there, I saw in 2021, I said, I've seen this before.

00:13:14.400 I've seen this before.

00:13:16.220 This is what Bergoglio and that crowd of deep church and deep state, they all roll the same

00:13:21.380 way because they're interconnected and that's why this is so important.

00:13:26.500 And this has dimensions beyond just the Catholics.

00:13:30.520 Cause I've seen this and I've seen the hatred, the hatred to the MAGA movement and to people

00:13:37.940 trying to stand for any of their countries.

00:13:40.480 And those people were heroes and are heroes today.

00:13:43.300 And that's why John, I think over the next couple of weeks, it's going to be very important.

00:13:46.780 What's your call to action, brother?

00:13:48.300 Yep.

00:13:50.100 Know your Cardinals.

00:13:51.380 Okay.

00:13:51.680 There's a, um, an excellent report that's been produced, uh, by some friends.

00:13:56.100 It's called college of Cardinals, uh, leaves.com can show it on the, on the, on the screen here.

00:14:01.260 It's a fabulous site just to know who these people are.

00:14:05.080 So you're like, well, great.

00:14:05.980 So what do I do with that?

00:14:07.380 Spread the word, expose and promote the good people, bring the people that are the Cardinals

00:14:13.280 that are good, have a good track record to light.

00:14:15.760 One of the greatest dangers of this whole pontificate and, and Conclay that we're facing as the

00:14:21.260 Cardinals, they don't know each other and we don't know them.

00:14:24.940 Why?

00:14:25.480 A couple of practical reasons.

00:14:26.840 They were named from the extremities.

00:14:28.820 So they never really got together as much as they traditionally did because they were from,

00:14:31.560 you know, countries far away, right?

00:14:33.400 Not like the majority from Italy. 0.95

00:14:34.860 That's a problem because the Cardinals don't fully know who each other are and can therefore

00:14:40.260 make the best decision about who should be the next Pope.

00:14:42.640 The second thing is we, the people, lay people, we don't really fully know them as well because

00:14:47.540 precisely what you just mentioned, Steve, the amount of fear that the Bergoglian, uh, regimes

00:14:53.660 you want, uh, instilled and not be able to speak up publicly.

00:14:57.660 Um, they achieved their goal, by the way, for the most part.

00:15:01.060 I mean, if you look at the, the, the bishops in the United States, most of them lean conservative.

00:15:07.260 Okay.

00:15:07.800 They're not evil people.

00:15:09.320 Okay.

00:15:09.940 Here's the problem though.

00:15:11.600 They are not outspoken and that's all they need.

00:15:14.680 Right?

00:15:15.100 So we have to break through that as a lay person.

00:15:17.740 Your call to action is really is to know these people, know these Cardinals, expose the social

00:15:21.780 media, talk it up, talk to your priest that gets up, gets up to the bishops, Cardinals,

00:15:25.280 whatever, so that we can make the best decision.

00:15:27.540 And of course, you're all talking about going to Rome.

00:15:29.380 That might be, you know, the best thing possible to, to, to show up there in force, to let,

00:15:34.380 let them know that, look, we're not going to put up with this.

00:15:38.500 Like we want it.

00:15:39.080 We want our church.

00:15:39.920 We want to be one Holy, uh, Catholic and Apostolic church.

00:15:45.340 John, yeah.

00:15:46.020 Where do people go to your site?

00:15:48.200 And you're one of the coordinators of all this.

00:15:49.660 Where do people go?

00:15:50.560 Social media and to your sites or where?

00:15:52.580 C-F-O-R-C dot com. 1.00

00:15:55.920 That's Catholic.

00:15:56.260 We're just Google Catholics for Catholics all over, you know, we're on X, we're on

00:15:59.280 Rumble, we're on Truth.

00:16:00.320 You can go there for the latest.

00:16:01.960 We're about action too, obviously too.

00:16:03.560 You know, you just can't sit and talk about this.

00:16:05.300 We've got to get to work.

00:16:06.200 We've got to pose and get on the front line.

00:16:08.580 That's important.

00:16:09.120 That's how we're going to win.

00:16:13.100 Brother, thank you so much.

00:16:14.280 John, you have great work as usual.

00:16:16.140 Catholics for Catholics.

00:16:16.980 One of the groups that came up in the early days of Bergoglio.

00:16:22.580 Um, the fear, the fear is exactly the same.

00:16:25.480 I've seen it twice.

00:16:27.000 I've seen it there in Rome and I saw it in Washington, D.C. in 21.

00:16:35.660 So we know how they roll and we ain't going to back down one inch.

00:16:40.180 How about that?

00:16:40.760 Two of the, um, most unreported stories, because there's so much going on, that are massive in their implication is Tulsi Gabbard.

00:16:52.280 We talked a little bit about it this morning.

00:16:53.720 Tulsi Gabbard released a 15 page PDF.

00:16:56.740 And I will break it down even further tomorrow, the next day about the Biden regime, actually with the FBI and others actually working with these massive platforms and other entities and people to suppress.

00:17:12.540 This gets back to the fear to suppress and destroy you, destroy your career, destroy your life, suppress it because they wanted to, they wanted to crush MAGA after they stole the election in 2020.

00:17:24.380 The other huge one is Bobby Kennedy, and this gets to be the results in the payoff when you guys do so much work, like defending Pete Hegseth or remember getting Bobby Kennedy across the line to be, uh, confirmed.

00:17:39.000 A major story of what he's working on, and, uh, we've got a cold open for that.

00:17:44.560 And then I want to bring in Dr. Toby Rogers.

00:17:47.460 Uh, so let's go ahead and play the cold open for him.

00:17:49.860 Two years ago, it was one in 36.

00:17:53.260 The CDC data that we released this week shows one in 31, but it's, it's a state by state data.

00:18:00.800 And the, the worst state is California, which actually has the best collection methodology.

00:18:06.800 So they actually probably reflect what we're seeing nationwide in California.

00:18:12.940 It's one in every 20 kids and one in every 12.5 boys.

00:18:17.780 And if you look at the minority numbers, which we don't do very well, it's much worse. 0.54

00:18:23.060 And I, uh, the low functioning autism, in other words, people who have full blown autism, which is about, and there are degrees.

00:18:31.780 Oh yeah, there are degrees about 25% of the population of that kids with autism, about 25% of them are nonverbal, non-toilet trained there.

00:18:42.460 You know, they have all these stereotypical behaviors, head banging, uh, biting, toe walking, stimming.

00:18:49.780 Um, and that population is growing higher and higher.

00:18:53.980 So it's becoming a larger percentage.

00:18:55.860 So we're seeing much, much more, uh, many more cases that are now linked to severe intellectual disability.

00:19:04.060 I mean, we are getting data.

00:19:06.120 They are investigating it.

00:19:08.120 Where do you think we're going to end up?

00:19:09.560 What is your best guess hypothesis theory at this point?

00:19:13.700 Well, president Trump asked me to find out what's causing it, and I'm approaching that agnostically.

00:19:21.460 I'm looking, we are looking at everything we're going to do.

00:19:24.380 We're going to be very transparent in how we design the studies.

00:19:27.700 We're going to farm the studies out to 15 premier research groups from all over the country.

00:19:33.640 And we're going to be transparent about our protocols, about the data sets.

00:19:38.040 And then every study will have to be replicated.

00:19:40.440 We're going to look at mold.

00:19:43.100 We're going to look at, uh, at, uh, at the age of parents.

00:19:47.040 We're going to look at food and food additives.

00:19:50.240 We're going to look at pesticides and toxic exposures.

00:19:54.800 We're going to look at medicines.

00:19:56.080 We're going to look at vaccines.

00:19:58.520 We're going to look at everything.

00:20:00.540 Well, that's the quintessential definition of science.

00:20:04.700 And you're going to get to the bottom of it.

00:20:06.660 Uh, I only have about 20 seconds.

00:20:08.220 How long do you think it'll take?

00:20:09.200 I think we'll have some preliminary answers in six months, but we, it'll take us probably

00:20:16.480 a year from then before we can have definitive answers, because a lot of these studies will

00:20:21.040 not go out until the end of the summer.

00:20:22.920 This was a bombshell drop last week.

00:20:27.100 Dr. Toby Rogers joins us from the University of Sydney and a fellow over at the Great Brownstone Institute, which we absolutely love.

00:20:34.140 Doctor, first off, the reaction of this has been, uh, the, um, established order at pharmaceutical companies and in medicine and at universities have lost it over this.

00:20:49.460 And even the, that, and they're all sitting there going, this is what we warned about.

00:20:54.100 Bobby Kennedy lied in his confirmation hearing. 0.99

00:20:56.860 All the people, all of his cult over children's health defense are all a bunch of psycho liars. 0.98

00:21:01.880 And you've essentially got a bunch of zombies now that are inside the wire and you're about to destroy American medicine and with it, the American people, sir. 0.95

00:21:10.960 Well, for the first time we have somebody telling the truth, which we haven't had ever in the autism epidemic.

00:21:22.660 And the prevalence rates that we're seeing that Bobby was talking about are just astronomical.

00:21:30.920 So I've been researching this since 2015 and originally for most of the 20th century, autism was so rare.

00:21:40.960 And no one even thought to do a prevalence study.

00:21:43.580 So you don't have the first autism prevalence study until 1970.

00:21:47.500 And the prevalence rate at that time was one in 10,000 children.

00:21:52.940 So not zero, but pretty rare.

00:21:56.680 And then in the 1980s, the autism rates started to skyrocket.

00:22:01.940 And so we were seeing one in 5,000, one in 2,500, one in a thousand.

00:22:06.920 And the rates just kept going up and up.

00:22:09.040 And so now we're at one in 31 children.

00:22:13.360 And in California, it's even higher than that.

00:22:15.920 They looked at four-year-olds who are in 2022.

00:22:22.100 And they found that four-year-olds have a 6% autism rate.

00:22:26.120 This is a civilization-ending epidemic if we don't get in front of it.

00:22:31.680 And Bobby Kennedy came forward and told the truth.

00:22:35.980 Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.

00:22:39.500 I noticed when I was a kid, you never, I mean, autistic kids, you heard about, but you never saw it.

00:22:44.520 And now I know people that, you know, they're autistic kids.

00:22:47.560 They're parents.

00:22:48.360 I know many parents of autistic children.

00:22:50.060 It seems like it's everywhere.

00:22:51.000 Why do you just said at 6%, you used the phrase, civilizational ending.

00:22:58.000 What do you mean by that, brother?

00:23:00.860 Well, one of the things I look at in my research are the costs of autism.

00:23:06.320 So, in 2015, autism cost the United States $268 billion a year.

00:23:16.460 So, that's increased educational costs, increased housing costs, increased medical costs.

00:23:23.880 And the research that I've done with Mark Blacksell and Cynthia Nevison shows that we're going to hit a trillion dollars a year in autism costs in the United States by the end of the decade.

00:23:35.180 And so, that's roughly equal to U.S. Defense Department costs.

00:23:40.140 There's no plan to deal with that.

00:23:42.520 There's no plan to meet that challenge right now.

00:23:45.580 Now, Bobby Kennedy's working on it, and President Trump deserves credit for that, and Bobby Kennedy deserves credit for that as well, for finally turning and reckoning with the situation.

00:23:56.240 But we've just never had a situation before where 3%, 4%, 5% of the population is disabled for life in infancy.

00:24:07.080 So, the thing about autism is autism costs more than cancer, stroke, and heart disease combined because those diseases happen later in life and for a shorter period of time.

00:24:19.740 With autism, these are costs and challenges over a lifetime.

00:24:24.320 Now, what you'll see from Bobby Kennedy is a reckoning with the problem, talking about, well, how do we build housing for all of these kids who are now becoming adults who are on the autism spectrum?

00:24:36.260 Where are they going to live after their parents die, right?

00:24:39.220 So, we'll actually get a reckoning with that problem.

00:24:42.440 But for the last 39 years, nobody in government has reckoned with the crisis that we're in, even though it's surged in prevalence all around us.

00:24:55.460 Hang on one second.

00:24:56.620 I'm going to hold you through the break.

00:24:58.480 Go back over that because people don't look at it that way.

00:25:01.120 All these other diseases come later in life and they're intense but for shorter periods of time and then you expire, right?

00:25:09.140 This is literally at birth and it goes over the arc of somebody and we don't even know.

00:25:14.260 We're just getting the grips on when the parents aren't around.

00:25:17.460 And for the parents, it's, you know, the love of the parents for these children is unbelievable.

00:25:21.980 But it is very draining.

00:25:23.120 How do you get to the $268 billion in cost or let's say $300 billion today versus 10 years ago?

00:25:31.260 How did you drive?

00:25:32.060 I tell you what.

00:25:32.480 Hang on.

00:25:33.260 We're going to take a break.

00:25:34.200 I want to give you plenty of runway for this. 0.97

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00:31:22.240 Dr. Toby Rogers.

00:31:28.340 Toby, how do you get to—I calculate roughly $300 billion annually for costs.

00:31:33.760 Is that in Medicaid?

00:31:36.120 Is it in Medicare?

00:31:38.080 Other HHS programs?

00:31:41.240 I mean, that is a massive number, sir.

00:31:43.400 Are Social Security for disabled—where is it captured?

00:31:47.340 Yeah, it's across a bunch of different categories.

00:31:49.880 So in the public health literature, there are these things called cost-of-disease models,

00:31:55.720 and you look at a number of different categories.

00:31:58.480 So you look at the additional costs to educate someone, in this case, on the autism spectrum.

00:32:04.200 You look at additional health care costs, you look at housing costs, supportive service costs, and then you also look at things like labor force participation.

00:32:13.120 So if somebody doesn't have speech and isn't able to participate in the workforce, then they also have lower tax rates.

00:32:21.260 And often parents are required to stay home to take care of the child, and so you lose the income that comes from the parents working.

00:32:33.640 And so you model the prevalence across the population and across all these different categories, and then you multiply it all together.

00:32:41.780 What's interesting about our model is that we correctly model prevalence for the first time.

00:32:47.820 Previous cost-of-autism models assumed that the rate was static, that the autism rate was 1% or 0.5% or 2%, and they just multiplied that across the whole population.

00:33:00.580 That's not what's happening with autism, what's actually happening is children born from 1986 to the present, it's like a wave pattern.

00:33:10.020 The autism rate keeps going up and up and up, and as a result, the costs compound over time.

00:33:16.660 And so this cost study that I did with Mark Blackstone and Cynthia Nevison is called autism tsunami because the costs of autism are like a tsunami moving through society

00:33:27.380 and growing to the point where we actually predicted costs of $6 trillion per year in the United States by 2060 if things continue on the present course.

00:33:38.760 Now, the good news is, from everything we can tell, autism is preventable.

00:33:45.100 And those are the words that Bobby Kennedy said last week.

00:33:48.620 Okay, but hang on.

00:33:49.220 It's shocking, bro.

00:33:49.960 Hang on.

00:33:50.200 Don't get to my punchline yet.

00:33:52.240 I want to go.

00:33:53.340 We're going to get to it is preventable, maybe.

00:33:56.120 I want to go to the second.

00:33:58.440 First off, their heads blew up because the pharmaceutical industry particularly, but also the health care industry,

00:34:07.080 because they said, oh, this is just better monitoring, or we have better ways to, you know, diagnose this now or see it.

00:34:14.280 It has nothing to do with more prevalence.

00:34:17.000 What is your answer to that, sir?

00:34:18.400 Well, they're being disingenuous because we have two very good studies, multimillion-dollar studies that were commissioned by the state of California

00:34:30.980 that looked at this question, that looked at this question of, well, is the increase in prevalence real,

00:34:35.860 or is it caused by diagnostic substitution, diagnostic expansion, better awareness, people moving to a state to take advantage of better social services, that sort of thing.

00:34:46.640 So, the first study is by Robert Byrd at UC Davis.

00:34:50.680 He is head of pediatric medicine at UC Davis Hospital, led a team at UC Davis and UCLA.

00:34:56.700 And they came back and said, no, these prevalence rates, this increase in prevalence is real, and it's not explained by changes in diagnostic criteria,

00:35:05.740 and it's not explained by better awareness.

00:35:07.620 And he urged lawmakers to look at environmental factors, and then the study was repeated in 2009.

00:35:15.420 Irva Hertz-Picciotto at UC Davis and a co-author named Delwich in 2009 published a study that showed that, again,

00:35:23.960 the increase in autism prevalence is real and not caused by better awareness, diagnostic substitution, diagnostic expansion.

00:35:31.780 That explains a little bit, a small percentage of the increase.

00:35:34.820 But remember, we're trying to explain a 32,158% increase in autism over the last 52 years.

00:35:47.040 We're not 32,000% more aware than we were.

00:35:51.160 Something in the environment is happening that's causing these kids to develop autism.

00:35:56.540 Okay, that was then the second part of this is you had, I think, 15, 12, 13, 14, 15 different categories.

00:36:03.940 Their heads blew up there. 0.95

00:36:04.880 They go, oh, my God, these guys are crazy. 0.97

00:36:06.660 They're trying to blame it on everything.

00:36:08.100 Talk to us about the breadth of your investigation.

00:36:12.300 Why is it so broad?

00:36:13.700 Is it scientifically based that it's that broad?

00:36:16.620 And why was the knee-jerk reaction that you guys were crazy, even the way that you're going about investigating this to see how real it is, sir?

00:36:24.860 So, look, with any toxic exposure, there's a range of different effects, right?

00:36:34.580 If you're exposed to a toxic chemical, some people are going to experience cognitive effects.

00:36:39.060 Some people are going to experience gastrointestinal problems.

00:36:43.940 Other people are going to develop problems with their blood, problems with their immune system, that sort of thing.

00:36:48.800 There's going to be a range of different effects.

00:36:51.240 What we see with autistic children is a wide range of different effects. 0.98

00:37:00.380 So some that are more severely impacted, lose speech, eye contact, the ability to socialize, that sort of thing.

00:37:08.880 Others are socially awkward, but they're still able to function in society and go to work and pay taxes and that sort of thing.

00:37:18.840 What the pharmaceutical industry has done over the last few days is to flood the zone and to try to erase people with profound autism, the people who are unable to care for themselves.

00:37:32.380 And that's disingenuous.

00:37:35.520 Hold it.

00:37:35.920 Hold it.

00:37:36.380 Slow down.

00:37:36.940 Hold it.

00:37:37.360 Hang on.

00:37:37.960 Hang on.

00:37:38.860 What do you mean by that?

00:37:39.820 What do you mean they tried to erase them?

00:37:41.120 The pharmaceutical industry, because they've been on this from the beginning, now, this week, they're trying to erase people with profound autism.

00:37:49.800 How do you know they're doing that?

00:37:51.360 Why are they doing that?

00:37:53.020 And for what outcome are they looking for, sir?

00:37:56.520 Well, so what we saw starting seven or eight years ago is that there was all this talk about neurodiversity.

00:38:06.240 So suddenly we were supposed to celebrate autism, normalize it, act as if it's always been with us at the same rate as before.

00:38:15.200 But we know that behind the scenes, the pharmaceutical industry is delighted by this focus on neurodiversity.

00:38:22.700 And people who write books and articles about neurodiversity suddenly are winning awards out of nowhere and being promoted on the mainstream media and that sort of thing.

00:38:32.160 What do you mean about neurodiversity?

00:38:37.180 What is that?

00:38:38.620 This is just a term that showed up a few years ago.

00:38:43.820 And there's this guy, Steve Silberman, who wrote a book called Neurotribes.

00:38:48.460 And it was to celebrate autism in the same way that one might celebrate LGBT or people of color or left-handedness or whatever.

00:39:00.060 It was a very sophisticated attempt to normalize autism.

00:39:05.180 Unfortunately, autism is the result of children being poisoned.

00:39:09.880 And so what they were normalizing was children being poisoned in the environment, which is actually an incredibly sinister thing to do.

00:39:18.920 So people like Bobby Kennedy, myself, Children's Health Defense, you, the high wire, have been trying to say, no, no, this is a real problem.

00:39:29.660 These children are in pain a lot of the time, have seizures, are unable to care for themselves, unable to live normal lives.

00:39:37.560 And we can do something about this if we stop putting poisons in children's bodies.

00:39:42.360 Well, when you say that, though, there's a wide range because automatically they go to this is Bobby Kennedy and his nutcase cult that is anti-vaccinated, you know, anti-vaccine.

00:39:58.520 And next thing you know, you're going to have measles all over the country and kids can be dropping dead because the inmates run the asylum.

00:40:05.700 When you say put when you say it's toxic and we're putting it in children, clearly in the 12 different things, you have more than just this being tied to vaccines.

00:40:18.540 Or if you guys already come to the conclusion and we're just kidding ourselves here that it is vaccines and all the other different areas of inquiry, the other 10 or 12 are going to be fruitless, sir.

00:40:31.320 Such a great question.

00:40:32.500 So here's how to think about that.

00:40:35.840 Anything that causes an immune activation event, so said differently, anything that overwhelms the immune system can trigger autism.

00:40:46.420 That's the best scientific research that we have at this point.

00:40:50.520 And so in my research, I look at five classes of toxicants that increase autism risk.

00:40:55.980 So mercury from coal-fired power plants and cars, endocrine disruptors and plastics and fire retardants, pesticides and herbicides, electromagnetic frequencies, cell phones, cell phone towers, Wi-Fi, and then pharmaceuticals, specifically SSRI antidepressants, Tylenol, and vaccines.

00:41:15.320 And we actually have fairly good studies, sort of 10 to 20 in each of these areas, that show the increased risk from exposures to these various toxicants.

00:41:27.300 Now here's the problem.

00:41:28.640 What you'll see in these studies is if you live too close to a coal-fired power plant or a field that's sprayed with a particular pesticide during a particular trimester of pregnancy, you'll see the autism rate in the children born to those mothers increase.

00:41:45.040 So there'll be a risk ratio of 1.2% or 1.3%, so you'll see autism risk increase 20%, 30%.

00:41:54.300 The problem is we're trying to explain a 32,000% increase in autism over the last 52 years.

00:42:05.260 So a 20% or even a 30% increased risk of autism can't get you anywhere close to explaining the 32,000% increase in autism over the last 50 years.

00:42:19.740 So there's a study, and I'm going to break a major story here that nobody else has and nobody else has reported on, and you're the only one who has the courage to go there, which is the study that helps us understand the contribution of the different toxicants to causing autism is the study led by Sally Ozenoff at UC Davis.

00:42:44.540 It came out in 2018, and she used this brilliant study design where they asked the question a lot of different ways, and they gathered a lot of different records to try to piece together the childhood of these children who had developed autism.

00:42:59.360 And what she found was that up to 88% of autism cases are characterized by autistic regression.

00:43:08.880 The child was developing normally, and then something happened.

00:43:13.540 Suddenly, suddenly, the child loses speech, eye contact, the ability to care for him or herself, the ability to socialize with others.

00:43:23.080 What's important about that is that autistic regression suggests an acute toxic exposure. 0.81

00:43:34.840 So we now have eyewitness testimony from thousands of parents that the acute toxic exposure that preceded the autistic regression was a well-baby vaccine appointment with a pediatrician.

00:43:53.140 So on the one hand, that's shocking.

00:43:54.600 Hang on.

00:43:55.220 Hang on.

00:43:55.980 Hang on.

00:43:56.940 Anybody tells me, hey, you're so brave, we're going to break it out of your shell.

00:44:01.500 Hang on for a second.

00:44:04.200 UC Davis, a tightly crafted research project, publishes in 2018.

00:44:12.220 Peer-reviewed, by the way, doctor, was it peer-reviewed?

00:44:15.460 Absolutely.

00:44:15.900 Peer-reviewed, goes through all the, shows that 88% of the participants had autistic regression,

00:44:24.000 which means these children or these babies were fine up to a certain point in their life,

00:44:29.900 and then all of a sudden, aspects of autism, whether it's loss of speech or social functions or hearing or sight or sound or anything,

00:44:39.140 could be noticeable by the parents, and the children and the babies had been fine up until then, correct?

00:44:44.780 That's correct.

00:44:46.040 And previously, the assumption was that these children had been born with it, that it was genetic, that they'd always had it.

00:44:54.060 And what's groundbreaking about Sally Ozonoff's study in 2018 is that she shows that up to 88% of autism cases are characterized by autistic regression,

00:45:06.000 and that suggests an acute toxic exposure.

00:45:10.560 It's one of the most important studies in this entire debate, and to my knowledge, your show right now is the first major news channel to report on this.

00:45:23.960 Okay.

00:45:25.740 And thank you for doing that.

00:45:31.220 Let me take this a slightly different way.

00:45:32.940 We want to have you back on because I want to go through the whole waterfront here.

00:45:35.880 Folks, this is that important, not just because of the cost of the opportunity cost and the direct cost to deal with these children,

00:45:46.880 and particularly as they get older and their parents, and the burden that's on the parents is just incredible.

00:45:52.180 And I don't say burden lightly.

00:45:53.320 I know the parents love their children as all their children, but it's psychologically a burden and financially a burden.

00:46:02.940 And people that come through this, you see true love in these families that come through it.

00:46:08.660 But 2018, this is why I don't understand it.

00:46:11.280 I want to make sure that we're to think this through.

00:46:14.640 Because Bobby Kennedy, we've been a huge supporter of Bobby Kennedy and a huge supporter of him becoming HHS.

00:46:19.940 But correct me if I'm wrong.

00:46:22.420 2018 was, what, seven, eight years ago, right, roughly?

00:46:28.660 That study's been out there and been known.

00:46:31.540 During the entire, because this is what I, because this is not my line of country, but we follow it because I know it's important.

00:46:40.160 It shocked me when it came out last week with definitively how they're going to do this,

00:46:45.380 because I thought that was one of the things that Bobby Kennedy swore he was not going to do,

00:46:51.320 or kind of at least led the committee to say, well, we're not going to go here.

00:46:55.720 There's so many other things.

00:46:57.080 Then when you cite a study from 2018 that clearly you guys knew about and knew it would be, you know,

00:47:04.540 a bombshell when properly, because it ain't a scoop until you treat it like a scoop.

00:47:09.720 Was this something that Bobby Kennedy knew all along was not up front with the committee?

00:47:15.760 Or do you believe that he was up front with the committee and people knew what they voted for when they voted,

00:47:20.800 when they confirmed him?

00:47:21.740 Because as you remember, that was one of the most brutal of the confirmation hearings.

00:47:27.060 And it took a lot, this audience really put their shoulder to the wheel as they demanded that this thing be going forward.

00:47:33.660 But do you think we're going to get criticized that we were not quite straightforward at the time of the confirmation,

00:47:41.280 given the fact that your study's in 2018 and you guys kind of know where you want to go on this, sir?

00:47:50.000 Robert Kennedy was remarkably candid in the confirmation hearings.

00:47:54.940 He was getting beaten up by the Democrats on the panel.

00:47:58.460 And he said, I'm going to follow the science.

00:48:00.700 And this is part of the science.

00:48:02.180 Look, we're chipping away at a monolith here.

00:48:06.380 So the pharmaceutical industry, the pharmaceutical industrial complex owns the mainstream media.

00:48:13.100 They own the scientific journals.

00:48:15.000 They own the universities.

00:48:16.680 They own the political system.

00:48:18.300 They own the regulators.

00:48:19.180 So we've known about problems with the vaccine schedule and we've known about children regressing into autism for a long time.

00:48:29.600 But to get that message into the public record and the public consciousness,

00:48:35.180 it's just this Herculean effort to have an honest conversation for the first time.

00:48:41.180 You're one of the few shows in the world that has the stones to go there and actually have this conversation, has the courage to have this conversation.

00:48:50.340 And so there's a huge body of knowledge about what is known about autism risk.

00:48:56.860 And I feel like Bobby Kennedy's challenge is to introduce this into the public record, introduce this into the public consciousness,

00:49:06.180 sit Senator Cassidy down and walk him through the science so that he realizes we have a problem and that there's something we can do about it.

00:49:13.500 We can stop the autism epidemic. 0.98

00:49:15.580 Just keep toxic chemicals out of kids' bodies. 1.00

00:49:18.180 This vaccine schedule is obscene.

00:49:20.080 It's out of control.

00:49:20.960 Every year there's more shots on the schedule because you can't sue these guys in court.

00:49:25.120 It's just pure profit.

00:49:27.280 So I just feel like it's a communication problem.

00:49:30.720 The pharmaceutical industry has controlled all of the channels of conversation.

00:49:35.160 And look, in 2021, the Biden administration banned me for life from Twitter for trying to have a conversation about Fauci's behavior during the AIDS epidemic.

00:49:47.120 He banned this antibiotic called Bactrim and I put out a tweet about it.

00:49:50.980 I got a lifetime ban for that.

00:49:52.340 So I would have been delighted to share this information with the world in 2021, 2022, but I was banned across social media.

00:50:02.120 I was restricted on Facebook.

00:50:04.400 I was restricted on Instagram.

00:50:05.780 So it's only now with the Trump administration coming into power with your courage to tell the truth and with Bobby Kennedy, HHS, that the full story can be told.

00:50:20.680 Doctor, we got to bounce.

00:50:22.820 Do you have any social media?

00:50:24.300 Do you have a website that people can follow you or where do they go to find out more about you and more about Bobby Kennedy, this heroic effort at HHS, sir?

00:50:32.560 So I have a sub stack and it's Toby Rogers dot sub stack dot com.

00:50:38.860 I published my long form essays there and I'd be grateful if you would if you would subscribe.

00:50:44.880 There's free options and paid options.

00:50:46.680 It's I call it utopian, but it's Toby Rogers dot sub stack dot com.

00:50:51.100 And I just want to say how grateful I am to you, Steve, for all the work that you and your team do.

00:50:55.100 It's extraordinary.

00:50:55.840 I'm so grateful for you to have the big, broad conversations that nobody else has the courage to have.

00:51:02.820 Dr. Toby Rogers, thank you so much.

00:51:05.040 You're a brave guy, too, as is Bobby Kennedy.

00:51:10.240 Hey, if we're not doing this, we're not doing our job right.

00:51:12.700 Got to put it out there.

00:51:15.920 They said so many times, oh, the Wuhan lab just go down one after the other after the other.

00:51:20.220 It's just you got to you got to step into the breach.

00:51:23.420 This audience demands it.

00:51:24.600 I want to thank Birch Gold, too.

00:51:28.080 So many things I didn't get to.

00:51:29.680 The Federal Reserve, Pete Hegseth, so much more.

00:51:33.460 Tomorrow morning at 10 a.m. Eastern Daylight Time.

00:51:35.720 The great stuff is going to take us out.

00:51:37.160 We're going to be back.

00:51:37.920 Birch Gold dot com.

00:51:39.380 End of the dollar empire.

00:51:41.020 The Rio reset.

00:51:42.820 Rio de Janeiro in July 6th.

00:51:46.560 The bricks are coming together.

00:51:48.060 How are they coming together?

00:51:50.140 If they can't break Trump any other way, they're going to try to break Trump and MAGA there.

00:51:54.600 End of the dollar.

00:51:56.080 Make sure you read about it.

00:51:57.180 Birch Gold dot com.

00:51:58.320 The End of the Dollar Empire.

00:52:00.880 The sixth free installment.

00:52:03.300 Modern Monetary Theory.

00:52:05.180 The idea that broke the world.

00:52:06.520 Read it and you'll understand why.

00:52:08.500 Remember, it's not the price of gold.

00:52:10.240 It's the process of how it got there.

00:52:12.380 See you tomorrow morning.

00:52:13.180 10 a.m. Eastern Daylight Time.

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Bannon's War Room - April 21, 2025

WarRoom Battleground EP 751： The Political Economy Of Autism

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