Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 754： MAGA’s Clash With The Establishment, America Thru The Decades

00:00:00.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:00:18.340 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.

00:00:23.660 I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.

00:00:27.920 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:00:29.440 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:00:31.340 I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that,

00:00:33.020 but you're not going to stop it.

00:00:33.960 It's going to happen.

00:00:35.240 And where do people like that go to share the big line?

00:00:38.620 Mega Media.

00:00:40.020 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:00:45.380 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:00:49.160 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:00:55.440 War Room.

00:00:56.360 Here's your host, Stephen K. Baff.

00:00:58.740 It's Thursday, 24 April, in the year of our Lord, 2025.

00:01:06.980 Welcome back to the second hour of our late afternoon, early evening show.

00:01:10.980 Sean Davis joins me here in Kansas City, Missouri, here for the Hillsdale's conference.

00:01:16.360 It's a very honor to be speaking tonight.

00:01:18.540 A tremendous group of speakers throughout the day tomorrow.

00:01:23.140 Sean Davis is with us from the Federalist.

00:01:24.980 Chris Caldwell, who's going to speak tomorrow, is going to join us.

00:01:27.340 David Malpass, who is former head of the World Bank under President Trump, is going to be here.

00:01:31.460 David is an old friend.

00:01:32.380 He's going to be here tomorrow morning.

00:01:33.300 So, Sean Davis, you're in narrative wars over at the Federalist.

00:01:36.300 You've been doing this for a decade there.

00:01:39.520 You've worked with Tucker and the guys over at Daily Caller.

00:01:43.720 The narrative war we have today is the left understands that their shot here is through this radical neo-Marxist judiciary.

00:01:52.700 And there we just had at the beginning of the show, top of the show, we had the first hour, a federal judge just came in and reversed President Trump's thing on IDs for voters.

00:02:03.580 We also had a very interesting, the Daily Signal, Rob Bluey's site, they've got this poll and analysis, 75% of the administrative state personnel working in Washington, D.C.

00:02:17.120 that make over $75,000 a year.

00:02:18.680 So these are the people that would be up to the SES, the mid-managers and above.

00:02:23.000 75% of those that voted for Harris, which is like 90% of them, have said that if it was a legal executive order or presidential memorandum, legal, that they would not – if they thought the policy was bad, they would not implement it.

00:02:39.260 This is what Trump's up against, the administrative state and particularly the federal judiciary.

00:02:43.380 How successful do you believe they've been so far because to delay is to deny, sir?

00:02:51.040 I don't think the administrative state this time around has been all that successful.

00:02:57.200 There's been a lot of smoke.

00:02:58.600 There's not been a lot of fire.

00:02:59.980 I think Trump coming in, understanding the nature of the beast and kind of chopping it off at the head right out of the gate was really important.

00:03:07.380 The red wedding moments, right?

00:03:08.920 The red wedding, yep.

00:03:09.780 We've got to take him out.

00:03:12.360 So what the left is left with now is they've got the media still, at least parts of it, and they've got the judiciary.

00:03:20.480 And while I think a lot of people assume, well, Trump has a whole term.

00:03:24.040 He's got four years.

00:03:25.140 We're only like 98 days into it right now.

00:03:27.700 We're good.

00:03:28.400 And I would say that I don't think that's the case because he doesn't have four years.

00:03:32.840 He has about a year and a half.

00:03:35.120 He has until the midterms in 2026.

00:03:39.080 That's what the Democrats and that's what the Marxists are pushing towards is they want to stymie him as much as possible and give themselves the option of taking over the House in the midterms, which I think they have a very good chance of doing.

00:03:52.220 Why do you say that?

00:03:53.360 The margins are super thin.

00:03:55.160 In history.

00:03:55.460 Yeah, number one, history, generally they're not favorable to the party that's in power.

00:04:01.520 And then three, if I were to ask you, what is the House doing?

00:04:05.880 What's the message?

00:04:07.080 No, nobody has any idea.

00:04:08.340 It's just utterly rudderless, kind of just, you know, waiting, treading water, hoping something happens.

00:04:14.980 So they're not giving people a great reason to vote for them.

00:04:17.240 So the left understands that if they can just drag everything out and delay as much as possible until November 2026 and they win the House, they think that's all they need.

00:04:28.180 Because once that happens, Trump's getting impeached again by a completely deranged Democrat House. 0.66

00:04:33.260 And this is where we start the whole cycle over again.

00:04:36.440 Once they win, they'll raise a billion dollars.

00:04:39.900 It'll come down to a handful of seats in New York and California that could easily flip, right?

00:04:45.040 They've got ground troops, you know, shock troops all over from these NGOs.

00:04:49.360 And as you said, even people are not citizens of this country.

00:04:53.280 And they flip a handful of seats, five or six seats.

00:04:57.180 Hakeem Jeffries is Speaker of the House.

00:04:59.080 Do you believe, not your readers, but do you believe a greater expansion of Republicans?

00:05:07.160 Because what we said at the time, look, November 5th, it was one of the most magnificent turn around, you know, come from behind.

00:05:13.080 People celebrate, it was great.

00:05:14.220 But then for the inauguration people here, you know, the tech bros and the cyber guys, it was all great.

00:05:22.300 We said at 100 days, given what Trump is looking to do, in 100 days, the sunshine soldiers and summer patriots are going to be gone.

00:05:32.460 You're going to be in the trenches again at multiple fronts in warfare.

00:05:36.500 And guess what?

00:05:37.380 We're here before 100 days.

00:05:38.880 Do you think the greater – because one of the problems we have is we've turned this into a working class and middle class party, but we still have not solved that part of the equation, as we saw in Wisconsin, where if Trump's not physically on the ticket, we'd still have a tough time getting those low information, low propensity voters to turn out.

00:06:00.520 But do you think we can do that understanding, and do you think you're seeing an expanded knowledge base of that in our ecosystem of new media as we try to promulgate this message out there?

00:06:11.100 Yeah, I think you hit on the number one long-term problem for the right is that Trump is such a unique figure.

00:06:18.340 He's able to get people to come vote who wouldn't have ever wanted anything to do with the Republican Party, and he's able to get them out in droves.

00:06:26.060 And the reason is it's not because he's a Republican.

00:06:30.100 It's not the R next to his name.

00:06:31.920 It's because people trust that he has their best interests out for him.

00:06:35.640 They trust, and it's fascinating, that the real estate investor from New York City, this big bombastic guy with the gold letters everywhere, is the best champion for the working class that we've seen on the right in 50 years.

00:06:48.880 And you can't just take the policies that he's pushing and somehow transfer that to another character.

00:06:56.580 As great as J.D. Vance is, he has real blue-collar roots, and he clearly has a heart for working-class people.

00:07:04.200 There's something there that the party has to capture and make its own permanently before people are going to trust it.

00:07:10.600 When you say make it their own permanently, let's go back to the comment you just made about the House because that's – look, the founders set it up that the House was supposed to be the one closest to the people, and it would be hot, and the Senate would be deliberative.

00:07:24.880 You would think – and with the fire breathers, you would think you would start seeing a turnover of more populism and nationalism there.

00:07:31.560 You see it on somewhat, but it's not through the 218 people.

00:07:34.980 I mean a lot of President Trump's policies, the populist and nationalist policies, would not get a majority – the HACET rule.

00:07:41.700 If you get a majority of the conference, we're still not there.

00:07:44.720 How do you solve that part of the equation?

00:07:46.980 Yeah, and that's the nut we haven't cracked yet, and I think it has to do with just how entrenched incumbents have become.

00:07:53.060 Each new class that's come in really since 2010 – it kind of started with the Tea Party – is better on average for Republicans than the class it replaced.

00:08:03.880 But you still have – how many new people are we getting every two years?

00:08:09.460 Five or ten?

00:08:11.340 It's very small numbers.

00:08:13.180 In the Tea Party, we had such a small base, 153.

00:08:15.460 We won the 62 seats, but now they were up to 215, 220, and there's very few real competitive seats to go after.

00:08:23.700 So if you're picking up, you're going to pick up a half a dozen, maybe eight.

00:08:27.460 And of those, if you pick up eight, five or six might be really good.

00:08:32.420 And so it's just – it's a structural problem.

00:08:35.560 And so much of the fight that we're having isn't just with the left.

00:08:38.780 It's with our own entrenched establishment who – they don't want a manufacturing base back in America.

00:08:46.220 They've convinced themselves that we need to be a service economy, and making stuff is what other countries do.

00:08:51.280 That's insane.

00:08:53.540 So you agree overall with President Trump's – the arc of his strategy of all these commercial relationships, since we're paying for their defense, that we take a hard line.

00:09:02.700 They're either going to pay a premium to get into this market and or move your manufacturing here.

00:09:06.420 You believe in the actual underlying theory of his case?

00:09:11.160 Oh, 100 percent, because let's look at Europe and let's look at China.

00:09:15.440 We built the China war machine.

00:09:18.280 It was with our money taken out of our pockets that resulted in our middle class and our manufacturing base being hollowed out that built the Chinese military, number one. 0.98

00:09:27.920 Number two, our money built the European welfare state because we decided we're going to take you all under our wing.

00:09:34.080 It wasn't enough that we helped you win the First World War and the Second World War.

00:09:38.100 We're going to fund –

00:09:38.820 And the Cold War.

00:09:39.760 And the Cold War.

00:09:40.180 And the Cold War III.

00:09:40.960 We've done it three times.

00:09:42.280 We're effectively going to –

00:09:43.340 Particularly for a nation of people that got kicked out of those countries, right?

00:09:46.860 Yeah.

00:09:47.220 It's madness.

00:09:49.620 We cannot be the world police and the World Bank forever.

00:09:54.760 And the chickens are coming home to roost on that.

00:09:57.680 We're starting to go bankrupt.

00:09:59.060 Our currency isn't as strong as what it was.

00:10:00.980 We're almost $40 trillion in debt and the debate that's happening in Congress now is, hey, we should increase spending by a trillion instead of like $1.2 trillion.

00:10:10.360 And they pat themselves on the back and call themselves fiscal conservatives.

00:10:13.440 It's madness.

00:10:14.320 What is – so this is going to be part of my talk tonight.

00:10:17.000 It's what we try to preach here.

00:10:18.980 What is it about the mindset when we have – we're going off a fiscal cliff?

00:10:24.200 Like yesterday, I talked at this World Economic Conference, the summer of what it puts on.

00:10:27.520 It's all the globalists, the financiers.

00:10:29.980 And I said when people criticize President Trump, the strategy of trying to bring jobs back to – I said tell me what the alternative – the plan A, your plan is not sustainable.

00:10:38.080 We're $2 trillion in deficits every year.

00:10:40.360 We're $37 trillion, adding a trillion dollars about every 150 days.

00:10:44.300 You've got to now refinance 10 to 12 trillion of that every year.

00:10:49.380 The math simply doesn't work out.

00:10:51.140 It's just – it's not sustainable.

00:10:52.660 And there's no – in their model – and this is what gets me.

00:10:56.120 There's no urgency about cutting spending.

00:10:58.700 They have a $900 billion defense authorization, which is outrageous.

00:11:04.240 And in this reconciliation, the big, beautiful bill, they're adding $150 billion of additional defense – this is not the $170 for the border.

00:11:13.400 It's like they're living in detached reality.

00:11:15.820 And when I talk to these people individually, they acknowledge it.

00:11:19.060 But as a group, they sit there and they come back and they give these 10-year budgets.

00:11:23.580 They said, well, Steve, by law, it's got to be 10 years.

00:11:25.540 I go, I got that.

00:11:26.400 But I've done at Goldman and my own firm so many bankruptcies and restructurings.

00:11:30.540 We have this year and next year.

00:11:32.040 That's – you've got to show me some cuts.

00:11:33.440 Otherwise, it's all fantasy.

00:11:35.500 But the city, I guess because we're the prime reserve currency and the Fed can just buy – we can just create the bonds and buy them.

00:11:42.840 We've lulled to sleep and that's these converging crises that are coming.

00:11:47.540 And people got to understand.

00:11:48.960 This is not – there's no magic wand here.

00:11:51.100 Elon Musk, as many of my differences with him, I love the Doge effort.

00:11:54.860 But Doge, let's be honest.

00:11:56.660 We don't know really what it came up with with the fraud.

00:11:59.180 And here's the thing.

00:11:59.980 Congress sat there and they thought he was going to be doyce ex machina, that he was going to come and save them with a trillion dollars a year in fraud.

00:12:08.440 It didn't happen.

00:12:09.540 And the reason is they do not want to make tough decisions on facing our physical crisis.

00:12:14.860 And as supposedly limited government conservatives, you would think that they would want to address this.

00:12:21.320 They talk a good game.

00:12:23.180 I worked for Tom Coburn for many, many years and fought his spending battles with them and was just dumbfounded by – they would – these people would sit in a meeting with you and tell you, oh, it's totally unsustainable.

00:12:34.820 And, no, no, no, I'm not going to vote for your amendment to cut spending 1 percent.

00:12:39.620 And this was back when the budget was $2.5 trillion and $2 trillion.

00:12:43.680 I think it's –

00:12:44.500 And the deficits were $250 billion or $300 billion.

00:12:47.920 I mean it was nothing compared to today.

00:12:49.860 And now –

00:12:50.760 OK.

00:12:51.020 So why – tell us – what is that mentality?

00:12:52.980 Why would they sit there and go, you're right, it's not sustainable spending?

00:12:56.520 I mean the total budgets of the federal government are what our deficits are today, right?

00:13:01.900 Why would they then say they wouldn't do the amendment, just the 1 percent cut?

00:13:05.260 I think there's two reasons.

00:13:07.040 One, they just get in and they get kind of indoctrinated into the blob.

00:13:11.680 Well, this is my committee and this is what we do.

00:13:13.980 And I've really looked at these programs and there's no fat to cut.

00:13:17.960 It's all muscle.

00:13:18.780 But then the other problem, which I think is much bigger and I think it is an American problem, is as pioneering as we are and individualistic and entrepreneurial, we lack imagination for what actually happens with human history.

00:13:38.420 Ever since we started, we've been great and it happened really fast.

00:13:42.480 And so we assume, well, America has always been big and strong and great.

00:13:46.220 Therefore, we will always be big and strong and great.

00:13:48.780 And we've never had a currency crisis and we've never had riots for food.

00:13:54.280 We've never had massive bank runs.

00:13:55.820 Therefore, we will never have massive bank runs.

00:13:58.100 We've never had an inflation crisis.

00:13:59.540 Therefore, we'll never have one.

00:14:00.980 They're operating under this idea that it's all musical chairs except the music is going to go on forever.

00:14:06.840 And it's totally wrong because the old joke is, you know, how does a company go bankrupt for slowly and then all at once?

00:14:13.120 All at once.

00:14:13.540 Nations are no different.

00:14:15.580 Unbelievable.

00:14:15.980 The Federalist, your social media.

00:14:18.920 Because you get a little heated on Twitter every now and again.

00:14:22.600 A little?

00:14:23.140 You get a little heated.

00:14:25.240 Where do they go for your Twitter account?

00:14:27.960 How do folks get over to The Federalist?

00:14:29.400 And how do people support you guys?

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00:14:59.280 Thank you, sir.

00:15:00.000 Great honor.

00:15:00.920 Great honor.

00:15:02.100 The Federalist, Sean Davis.

00:15:03.140 Okay, can we – we're going to bring Chris Cole in.

00:15:05.300 Let's go – I want to go to the merch.

00:15:06.580 Can we go to – can Denver get up the merch page of President Trump 2028?

00:15:11.320 Who was talking about that?

00:15:12.500 They were mocking me a week ago on Stephen A. Smith.

00:15:15.420 Chris, right over here.

00:15:16.140 Come on, brother.

00:15:18.580 There we are right there, Trump 2028.

00:15:20.820 We are sending hats and – we're sending swag to Stephen A. Smith, Chris Cuomo, a whole bunch of folks.

00:15:28.500 That Bill Maher, people that mocked and ridiculed me over the last – hey, I'm just saying.

00:15:32.060 As I said, it's happening.

00:15:34.180 It begins.

00:15:35.480 Chris Caldwell.

00:15:36.400 How do you do?

00:15:36.980 I am so honored to have you on here.

00:15:39.200 One of the first people to identify the issue of Islam, the West, and Europe and what happened.

00:15:46.980 That book you wrote, it was called The Coming Revolution.

00:15:49.460 It was back in –

00:15:50.020 It was called Reflections on the Revolution in Europe.

00:15:52.100 This is about 2010?

00:15:53.900 Yeah, a little before, 2008 or 2009.

00:15:56.420 2008 or 2009.

00:15:57.540 2009 to be precise.

00:15:59.220 Yeah.

00:15:59.380 What did you see at the time, and has the arc of it gotten any better or has it gotten worse?

00:16:08.100 I think the arc of it has gotten better.

00:16:11.220 It has gotten better.

00:16:12.020 I think it's gotten better.

00:16:13.340 What was the problem back when you started writing in 2007 to 2008?

00:16:17.340 Well, I think the big underlying problem was the demographic problem, which is that the populations of the Middle East and North Africa were growing much faster than Europe.

00:16:32.500 That is the part that I think has abated a little bit.

00:16:35.340 But the outright population pressure from the Muslim world has – is not as serious as it was.

00:16:42.840 Because their birth rates are declining or European birth rates coming up in Africa?

00:16:46.460 Their birth rates are declining.

00:16:47.600 I mean, I think that the population of the West Bank, for instance, and I had this number when I wrote the book, but it had increased something like fivefold between 1967 and the first decade of this century.

00:17:06.860 So, I mean, you're talking about a real powerful thing.

00:17:11.700 And I think there was a great sociologist who just died a year or two ago, a German sociologist named Gunnar Heinsohn, who wrote a great book called Sons and World Power.

00:17:26.980 And he said, you know, like all the expansion of cultures, including the European cultures that settled the New World and things, had to do with families having eight or nine children.

00:17:38.740 And having three or four or five sons.

00:17:40.240 Yes.

00:17:40.620 And you've got to figure out since one's going to inherit everything, the other's going to go in the ministry.

00:17:44.820 You've got two or three.

00:17:46.180 They used the Crusades for that for one point in time.

00:17:49.300 So, it's three, four – number of sons, three, four, and five, who usually have some attitude, right?

00:17:54.920 So, they –

00:17:55.560 To begin with.

00:17:56.680 Yeah.

00:17:56.920 Hold it.

00:17:57.400 I haven't heard – I mean, that's always been my theory.

00:17:59.740 A guy wrote a book about that?

00:18:00.960 Yeah.

00:18:01.420 Gunnar Heinsohn.

00:18:02.640 It's called Sons and World Power.

00:18:05.880 You rise to world power off of having a number of sons that have time on their hand?

00:18:09.940 Off of having surplus sons.

00:18:11.580 Sons. 0.88

00:18:12.700 Sons who, like, can't be employed in the existing economic structure. 1.00

00:18:18.840 You know, who need to go out and look for their living.

00:18:22.340 We have a couple of three of those in the United States right now, don't we?

00:18:24.900 I mean, we have some young men that are just kind of drifting, right?

00:18:27.560 Oh, but not that many.

00:18:29.740 Not that many.

00:18:30.320 We don't have excess, yes.

00:18:31.240 Not that many per family.

00:18:32.720 Yes.

00:18:33.080 Do you know what I mean?

00:18:33.380 Yes.

00:18:33.480 Very weak there.

00:18:35.220 Yeah.

00:18:35.580 What – so that – so in the arc of it, you don't think the pressure – because you look at Sweden, you look at what's happening, you look at now, the Rotherham cases are now coming up in England.

00:18:46.320 You know, our guy Raheem Ghassan focused.

00:18:48.960 But a lot of this is coming back up to the surface.

00:18:51.740 I thought you were talking about the migration pressure has diminished.

00:18:55.380 However –

00:18:56.020 Is that because Orban stopped it?

00:18:57.620 How did that actually stop?

00:18:59.160 Was it Merkel leaving or it was – the Italians people getting more focused on it?

00:19:04.200 Well, see, I think the migration pressure has diminished for population reasons, but –

00:19:13.900 Because there's less population in Africa and there was no Syrian civil war.

00:19:17.160 They're not coming up by the millions.

00:19:18.280 But there is a sense in which the problem is greater than it was when I wrote the book.

00:19:24.820 I was writing the book, you know, basically between 9-11 and, you know, in the five years or ten years after 9-11.

00:19:33.800 And at that time, you could say, well, Europe is really before a choice, you know, of what kind of continent it wishes to be.

00:19:43.060 But that – it made its choice.

00:19:44.760 And we're no longer in that Europe anymore.

00:19:48.400 It's not like Europe is going to go back to being, you know, the continent that it was before this mass invasion.

00:19:57.560 So certain things have been set in –

00:19:58.780 You said – you mean politically pressure came up.

00:20:01.700 They've made a choice to stop that open immigration of millions of people a year into Germany.

00:20:06.940 Yes, I think so.

00:20:07.740 Was that pressure from the right to, say, get our sovereignty back and from the Viktor Orbans and the Salvinis and the Le Pens who were not taking over governments but at least enough political pressure on the globalists to stop that?

00:20:23.980 How did that stop?

00:20:24.800 Yes, those figures that you name are absolutely key.

00:20:28.880 And they didn't show up in every country.

00:20:31.840 I mean, Nigel Farage had a great populist role to play, but he was not as purely an anti-immigration figure as, for instance, Salvini was.

00:20:42.680 Salvini, I think, was probably the most successful anti-immigration politician of the last 20 years in Europe.

00:20:50.280 I think you're absolutely correct.

00:20:51.600 I was over there in 1821.

00:20:53.400 But those two – why was Salvini ahead of the curve?

00:20:56.700 Because Italy is right there and was being invaded in those islands or in the boot?

00:21:00.060 Or why Salvini?

00:21:01.840 Well, that's an interesting question.

00:21:05.440 He himself is such an interesting guy because he had a great combination, a kind of Reagan-esque combination of being really populist but also having grown up among businessmen in Milan.

00:21:20.960 So he was a very balanced politician.

00:21:23.420 I think it was mostly that he had a way of talking about the issue that made people really comfortable.

00:21:32.860 And I forget the name of his internet expert, but he had a guy who ran his website.

00:21:37.000 That's perfect.

00:21:37.020 That's amazing.

00:21:37.520 And the website, his webmaster said to him, you know what, you're talking about how our civilization is collapsing, we're being invaded and stuff like that.

00:21:49.980 That's really dark.

00:21:51.380 And, you know, after a few days of that, people aren't going to want to go to your website anymore.

00:21:55.540 And he said, so every time you do two immigration swamped by, you know, the alien forces things, do a feature on pasta. 0.74

00:22:05.340 Yes.

00:22:05.580 You know, do something about tiramisu.

00:22:07.400 Do something about how pretty Italian women are. 1.00

00:22:10.260 Yes.

00:22:10.360 And so Salvini's website was actually a fun, witty kind of place to go to.

00:22:16.020 And when he ran, he was a guy who took Facebook, and it was live.

00:22:19.520 They were hanging out and doing fun things, and the rallies were kind of Trump.

00:22:23.220 They were smaller than Trump's, but the biggest thing that Europe had ever seen.

00:22:26.740 But they were fun.

00:22:27.640 They were gatherings.

00:22:28.940 And he did that merger.

00:22:31.140 They tried to govern for a while from left-wing populism to right-wing populism.

00:22:34.760 It didn't turn out perfectly.

00:22:35.920 But they did it.

00:22:36.680 I think it was, until the moment it collapsed, it was the most, close to the most popular Italian government since the war.

00:22:46.240 And the problem was, the problem was that Salvini's right-wing populism wound up more popular.

00:22:53.880 I mean, in the vote, you had the, you know, the five-star movement, the left populist.

00:22:59.860 Yes.

00:23:00.460 Got about a third of the vote.

00:23:02.220 Salvini only got about a sixth of the vote.

00:23:04.220 But once they were governing, then the thing that people really loved was the Salvini immigration policy.

00:23:11.760 And he got up to like 45 percent in the polls to the point where if they had an election the next day, he would have had a non-coalition government.

00:23:22.280 He would have been able to rule by himself.

00:23:25.040 The problem is he didn't have those votes in the parliament, and he just lost track of that, and he got booted out.

00:23:35.420 Why is it the elites – it appeared that the elites in Europe at the time looked the other way, or particularly even the business elites, wanted this.

00:23:43.300 I don't know if for bigger consumer markets or whatever, this invasion.

00:23:46.200 They never really took a hard line against it, much like the business elites here in the United States.

00:23:50.860 What is it about corporatists?

00:23:53.060 What is it about capital markets, the city of London, Wall Street, Frankfurt, that has no problem with mass immigration?

00:24:00.540 Well, I don't know that they have no problem with it, but they do benefit disproportionately from it.

00:24:11.100 I think the best quantitative account of that that's been done is in the Harvard economist George Borjas' book.

00:24:19.740 Maybe you've talked about it on the show, but he did a study in around 1995 where he looked at some of these claims that immigrants add a trillion dollars to the economy, and they do.

00:24:39.220 But it all goes back to the immigrant countries. 0.98

00:24:41.540 It's the immigrants themselves who benefit from immigration. 0.99

00:24:44.520 Otherwise, it's a wash.

00:24:45.760 However, that zero difference in the country disguises a big immigration – disguises a big, let's say, income transfer from the people who compete with immigrants to the people who hire them.

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00:30:53.680 Welcome back here with Chris Caldwell.

00:31:10.360 Well, no, we were just talking between the break.

00:31:12.320 Our audience is one of – we sell a ton of books here because our audience are book readers, which is kind of a lost art.

00:31:21.540 We started an imprint with Tony Lyons and the guys over at Skyhorse after – I don't know.

00:31:26.120 We sold – Kennedy's book sold I think over a million copies, and War Room sold half of them.

00:31:31.240 So the Tony Fauci book, but we started an imprint a couple of years ago, and I think we published 10, 12 books, and we've had one book into the New York Times top 10 bestseller list, Jack Posobiec's Unhuman, talking about the communist revolutions, different revolutions of the day.

00:31:47.100 So we're – your writing process because your books are – have big impact.

00:31:53.500 They're very serious, but they're spread apart.

00:31:55.640 You're not a guy that's cranking out a book every two years.

00:31:57.820 I wish I were.

00:31:58.460 Whenever I'm writing a book, I feel like this is really what I was born to do, but I have –

00:32:02.640 You get the juices get going?

00:32:04.420 I love – I love – I love the process of writing a book.

00:32:07.000 Talk to us.

00:32:07.480 Talk to our audience about that.

00:32:08.600 What is the process of writing a book because it's – and here's the thing.

00:32:12.380 Books – and this is why we love them.

00:32:13.660 They're so much different than reading like on the internet or even newspapers today.

00:32:17.400 It's a lost art.

00:32:19.500 What is your process for researching, and then what is your process for writing?

00:32:22.700 Well, I hate to say – you know, to be glib, I'd say it's – but the first 80 percent is procrastination, you know?

00:32:29.580 And, you know, I do a lot of day-to-day journalism.

00:32:33.480 The Claremont Review that I work for is a quarterly.

00:32:36.300 It's amazing.

00:32:36.600 Which means that I get to, you know, go really in-depth on a lot of subjects, and so, you know, at the end of a few years of procrastinating, there are actually a handful of things that I actually can talk reasonably, knowledgeably about.

00:32:54.280 And if they come together into a book, that's great.

00:32:57.260 And then just spend a lot of time thinking and then outlining and then a little more procrastinating and then the title process.

00:33:07.600 There's a blank page.

00:33:08.540 It can't concern you because you're prolific in all your day-to-day journalism and things like that.

00:33:13.300 What is it about a book – when you say procrastinate, what's it about a book that makes you procrastinate?

00:33:17.200 That's a really interesting – that's an interesting thing.

00:33:20.560 I think a certain perfectionism creeps back in.

00:33:23.920 Because you know the book is going to be there forever, right?

00:33:26.240 Yeah, I think so.

00:33:27.560 And it's more definitive than a newspaper article or something else you're doing.

00:33:32.540 Yeah, you know, Gabriel Garcia Marquez, the novelist, said that he was totally unable to write novels until he took a job at a Colombian newspaper like El Espectador or something and started, you know, sort of writing about, you know, murders and traffic accidents and things like that.

00:33:52.500 And it took away his kind of like reverence, his undue reverence for the blank, you know, for the printed page.

00:34:00.760 That he got over that hurdle.

00:34:01.960 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:34:03.060 What was it that got your attention – your book was The Age of Entitlement?

00:34:06.980 Yeah.

00:34:07.160 What was it that got you interested in that topic to take a couple of years and research it and write it?

00:34:12.620 You know, I thought – I started off thinking about it as a sort of like a demographic book.

00:34:17.760 I was so – you know, it's – I was so interested in how the baby boom moved through society. 1.00

00:34:25.120 I mean, I think that the baby boom was a big enough generation that they not only got to vote for what they wanted.

00:34:31.680 I mean, if they were behind something voting-wise, it was going to happen.

00:34:35.960 But also the power of them as a force in the consumer market.

00:34:39.960 It meant that all the objects that everyone looks at their whole lives are whatever the baby boomer market started to want.

00:34:47.780 So you saw a lot of, you know, you saw a lot of sex in the 60s and 70s.

00:34:52.540 You saw a lot of real estate in the 80s and 90s.

00:34:55.640 And you're seeing a lot of walkers now.

00:34:57.220 You're saying as they went through the phase of life when people are young and have the testosterone and everything like that.

00:35:02.180 That's right.

00:35:02.520 That's when the sex was a big thing.

00:35:03.840 When it came time for them to settle down or become homeowners, that became a big thing.

00:35:08.560 And it's all about –

00:35:09.040 And you could walk through those phases of American life and see it came with this demographic wave post-war.

00:35:14.780 Absolutely.

00:35:15.180 And it's not only that.

00:35:17.040 They were so big and powerful that they were able to arrogate resources from their elders and from their offspring to build up their own lifestyle.

00:35:26.620 And so that struck me as really interesting.

00:35:28.620 But it's so hard to get at because you've got two things that are moving at the same time that it didn't really make much of a narrative.

00:35:35.720 But in looking at that period, I then discovered that the paradigm for almost everything that happened politically between the Kennedy assassination and the Trump nomination was civil rights.

00:35:49.560 It's basically a – it's like a second constitution thanks to which a usually judicial but also kind of regulatory elite gets to have a second look at democratic decisions.

00:36:07.820 And so in that civil rights style of government, although it had a lot of like moral prestige behind it, really actually traveled very far from the sort of like moral causes that gave it its impetus.

00:36:23.900 From the original civil rights movement.

00:36:26.000 And so it would become what?

00:36:27.800 Just performative or become hollowed out or just –

00:36:30.600 Well, that was one problem.

00:36:31.600 I mean one problem is that it becomes performative and insincere and hollowed out.

00:36:35.960 But the other problem is that it spread.

00:36:39.540 I mean so I think that when civil rights started, people thought it was really about fixing some things in the deep south.

00:36:46.760 I mean even outside of the deep south and the – outside of about four states, all these states were reforming.

00:36:54.680 So I think people thought –

00:36:56.400 I don't know.

00:36:56.820 I came from the south.

00:36:58.000 I'm from Richmond, Virginia.

00:36:59.980 But when I went – and this is after I was a naval officer.

00:37:02.600 I'd seen some of the world, at least the Pacific.

00:37:04.200 When I went to a certain university in Cambridge, I was shocked about how segregated Boston was.

00:37:11.140 This is in the 80s.

00:37:12.680 It was just a very segregated – it wasn't – there didn't seem to be any integration.

00:37:18.000 You had Roxbury.

00:37:19.160 You had the southeast.

00:37:21.060 You had the city.

00:37:22.260 You had the Brahmins. 0.98

00:37:23.240 It was a very structural – and coming from the south, you would think, oh, this has all been worked out before the Civil War.

00:37:29.180 It turned out it had not been worked out before the Civil War.

00:37:31.040 Coming from Boston, I had kind of a different perspective on it.

00:37:35.400 It's the – I mean the black community in a place like Massachusetts is very different than the black community in a place like Virginia.

00:37:45.000 In Virginia, it's been there for 350, 400 years.

00:37:48.160 In Massachusetts, it's an immigrant community.

00:37:50.720 It all came in the 20th century.

00:37:53.040 Civil War of the century or 20th century.

00:37:53.800 In the 20th century.

00:37:54.660 I mean in – and so –

00:37:56.880 I will also say another thing for you guys in Boston, particularly in Cambridge, if you have even a hint of a southern accent, they literally think you're the dumbest cracker in the world.

00:38:06.180 It is the most prejudiced city in the world if you're from the south, if you're from the south.

00:38:10.560 That's really interesting.

00:38:11.360 I've never been there.

00:38:12.040 No, at Harvard, if you speak with a southern accent, they just think you're a moron, right?

00:38:15.720 Yeah, well, how about that?

00:38:17.660 I – I'm sorry about that.

00:38:20.840 It's like I got through it.

00:38:23.140 Today in the online, in our chat rooms, et cetera, we have an audience, a lot of boomers, OK?

00:38:31.160 And we have a young staff, and the young staff is very much in the internet and particularly this new ecosystem of the Trump movement.

00:38:38.300 A lot of it has come from online community, and they have a pejorative term.

00:38:43.120 You think like a boomer, right?

00:38:44.880 It's not – they don't say it in a positive.

00:38:47.300 You're thinking like a boomer.

00:38:48.460 That's so boomer, particularly in handling of technology or knowing what's cutting edge, et cetera.

00:38:53.540 Did you ever think that that – the boomer generation never thought that they would – it would be a pejorative.

00:38:57.980 They always thought they were kind of the best and the leading and leading America to a new enlightenment, didn't they?

00:39:02.440 Yeah.

00:39:03.140 And – but we – but in retrospect, you can see very clearly that there were a lot of things that were really keeping us cosseted.

00:39:10.820 And one of the things was the Cold War.

00:39:13.280 There really was not a lot of variety in the strategic predicaments that a global power would face.

00:39:22.380 You know, we just had to mind the Russians. 0.99

00:39:24.180 It was not like a big ricocheting multifactorial world, you know.

00:39:30.540 But I think that also the stability of large corporations or the seeming stability of large corporations meant that a lot of people, you know, in the 60s and 70s could imagine navigating their whole lives within one building, you know, which is harder to do today.

00:39:53.280 That's impossible today with these young people. 0.98

00:39:56.320 I mean, it's the gig – I mean, even a job.

00:39:58.400 It's all gig economy and coming together.

00:40:01.120 Do you think – one of the things that strikes me in coming to politics late and coming after doing a number of things and coming to D.C. with the leadership, I'm shocked for a country that has been a hegemon up to here recently and it's now that's being questioned.

00:40:15.520 The lack of seriousness of people – D.C. is a very provincial town, right?

00:40:22.280 It doesn't come across as a global capital.

00:40:25.020 And the lack of not just sophisticated kind of people that seem to be on top of like this massive budget crisis we have, the financial crisis we have and all these different crises, you don't have a lot of – particularly in political and almost cultural leadership.

00:40:41.560 Is that just my own prejudice or do you think we – as a global power – when I look back at the British and the Romans and maybe it's just the way the books are written.

00:40:50.000 But it seems like – but you look at their decisions and how they thought things through.

00:40:53.520 It was just at a much deeper level of seriousness than the leadership.

00:40:58.640 You know, like even today, it doesn't compare – and this is not about President Trump but just the general environment of D.C.

00:41:05.260 It doesn't compare to like World War II when it seemed to me you had almost giants that were making these decisions.

00:41:10.640 Am I just – is that just the way history is written?

00:41:12.680 Of course it's not.

00:41:13.260 No.

00:41:13.700 Of course you've got a point.

00:41:15.780 We have a very unusual kind of empire, world civilization, whatever you want to call it.

00:41:21.640 There are a few factors I think that have kept us from being more Machiavellian.

00:41:32.640 There's a certain sort of like an ability that leaders have always had to sort of like ruthlessly make a big decision and decide.

00:41:41.420 And one of them is that we've always been an extremely rich country and we've developed this habit of buying off people rather than laying down the law.

00:41:52.180 We're a very – we're a very feminist country. 1.00

00:41:57.840 We have a lot – women have a lot more of a role in this country than they did in the leadership of any other country. 1.00

00:42:05.940 That's another thing.

00:42:07.800 There are just a number of – there are a number of factors involved.

00:42:10.180 Do you think the fact that we became so rich so quickly that in even the trauma of the Civil War and things like the Great Depression were not cultural ending, right?

00:42:23.600 Do you think that had anything to do with maybe the lack of seriousness that we haven't had?

00:42:27.760 Like today, I happen to think in the convergence of these crises that we have and the lack of kind of leadership we have at so many different levels, this thing is going to metastasize.

00:42:37.720 And one thing will build on – the crisis will just build.

00:42:40.740 And we haven't had to go through long periods.

00:42:44.200 We had 5, 10, 15, 20, 25 years of hard decisions, tough decisions and tradeoffs.

00:42:49.900 You think that's where we're going?

00:42:51.280 I think that definitely – I think it's where we're going.

00:42:52.940 But it's just when I look at the different trend lines and I see people, they're always looking for a fairy godmother like Elon Musk to come and find a trillion dollars of fraud.

00:43:02.120 And so all of a sudden you wouldn't have to cut the budget.

00:43:03.900 He would find it.

00:43:04.580 Or artificial intelligence is now going to bail us out.

00:43:07.660 There's always something next that's going to bail us out.

00:43:10.340 And it's kind of wishful thinking.

00:43:12.160 Yeah, although artificial intelligence is interesting.

00:43:14.320 Could I ask you a question?

00:43:15.360 Sure.

00:43:15.780 You can do anything you want.

00:43:17.000 In the same realm.

00:43:17.920 I mean, in that light, one of the things that interests me most now is the way we're operating at two different timescales.

00:43:26.640 I think that Trump has probably convinced most of the country – the way he convinced most of the country on China.

00:43:34.360 He's probably convinced most of the country that in the long term our dependence on foreign manufacturing is unsustainable, that our trade deficits are unsustainable as well.

00:43:52.760 So I feel like you could ask almost anybody, even in Cambridge, and they'd say, yeah, it probably is – it would be nice if we were able to – if we had factories that we could convert to making artillery shells, et cetera, et cetera.

00:44:07.200 But there is this nearer term problem of sort of like coordinating investment so that we don't find ourselves with nothing when we cut off the Chinese. 0.76

00:44:21.060 I say this all the time, and I'm one of the guys that the architects are believing this.

00:44:26.580 We're at a full embargo to the Chinese – they've been in economic war with us for a long time, stealing the $600 billion a year in technology.

00:44:34.120 We've financed the whole thing, Wall Street and private equity.

00:44:38.120 But you're right.

00:44:38.680 We're at a full embargo right now, and I tell people, we're at a full embargo with the Chinese, and in 90 days to 100 days, the shelves are going to start being empty. 1.00

00:44:46.240 I mean, President Trump took that meeting the other day.

00:44:49.560 It wasn't random that he had Walmart and Costco, and those guys said, hey, look, we understand what you want to do, and we want to get more American product, and we want to do this.

00:44:57.700 But there's a lag time here on supply chains, and understand we're going to hit a wall.

00:45:02.540 This is why I think just before he came on, President Trump keeps talking about, hey, there's some side meetings going on.

00:45:07.440 And she kind of put it out, I ain't making any calls, and we're not having any meetings because these guys have been – look, from the time we brought them in to the World Trade Organization and the most favored nation in 2000, they have broken as they're supposed to because in their concept of war, going kinetic is like defeating itself.

00:45:25.920 They never should have to fight the foreign devils with military equipment, and they know that we're better than that. 1.00

00:45:31.900 So ever since then, when they gamed that system, the cyber deal they cut with Obama, they didn't live up to in 2015.

00:45:39.540 A couple of years later, Hong Kong in 2019, they totally tore it up and took over Hong Kong.

00:45:44.700 Trump worked two years to cut a deal.

00:45:46.920 That was a more serious thing that we're talking about today with Lighthizer.

00:45:50.060 They walked away after two years of negotiation and ready to sign it, walked away.

00:45:53.720 He then did the skinny deal in January of 2020 when they sent the Wuhan lab virus over here. 0.84

00:46:00.680 They didn't fulfill anything on the skinny deal.

00:46:03.260 They have never fulfilled one item of anything they had to fulfill in six major negotiations they've had of signed deals ever.

00:46:14.240 And because they see this another way, it's an incompatible system, and they have no interest in coupling.

00:46:20.700 They don't mind decoupling.

00:46:21.800 So you're right, the timescale, and it's going to be a factor.

00:46:26.320 I'm going to talk about this tonight.

00:46:27.740 You have to, and I don't know if we've prepped people in doing it, but I think that's what President Trump looks at,

00:46:33.540 is the cash from the external, from the tariffs, because if you're not going to manufacture, you are going to pay a higher toll for coming through here.

00:46:41.340 Now, the question is, historically, we've seen with the Chinese when we added the tariffs there, it wasn't passed on the consumer.

00:46:47.400 We'll have to see, because that's going to be a, is that a concern of yours?

00:46:51.140 Well, that is a concern of mine, and I was, you know, hoping you could tell me how we were going to get to that, to that, get to the long term.

00:46:58.880 Well, one way we can get to the long term is, first off, you have to do these deals with the East Asian countries.

00:47:03.780 You have to do Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Vietnam, Philippines, and India.

00:47:08.580 You latch those in.

00:47:10.220 Europe, right before you came on, I was saying, Europe has notified us, or it's in the European press, that the EU has basically told people they are not prepared to decouple.

00:47:20.720 Our deals do have a part of it that says, in these, because the deal is going to take a long time to work out.

00:47:28.600 But the memorandum is to understand the architecture of it, is you're not, you're going to be more in our trading program with our laws and customs than these guys.

00:47:36.340 And Beijing warns retaliation against nations doing U.S. deals.

00:47:40.040 The EU has notified us that they're not going to decouple.

00:47:44.720 They're not going to agree to anything.

00:47:45.640 And this gets to my point about we're underwriting their security, and that's why the two battle groups in the Red Sea, although they're there clearly for the Houthis and the UAE and the Saudis and Israel.

00:47:56.740 So it's a mess.

00:47:58.380 Are you working on any book today?

00:48:00.200 Is there anything you'd give us a headline?

00:48:01.440 What excites you that would get you enough to break through your procrastination?

00:48:07.420 What excites me is the simultaneity of all these revolutions.

00:48:12.500 The complexity.

00:48:13.300 Yeah, well, and the interplay between, you know, what's going on in Silicon Valley and what's going on in the populist world and what's going on in the world of trade networks.

00:48:25.280 Well, the oligarchs are totally out of control.

00:48:28.160 The four guys control artificial intelligence, which is just one aspect of the singularity because we're hurtling towards a point that Homo sapiens is on this side and Homo sapiens plus is on that side.

00:48:38.860 And that may only be a couple of years away, maybe three or four years away.

00:48:43.900 That's a huge problem.

00:48:45.240 And you have more regulations on a Korean nail salon in D.C. to get licensed to actually do people's nails and the makeup and other things than you have on the four oligarchs running all artificial intelligence, which is seen as already been a disaster.

00:49:04.880 And Deep Seek today released that everybody that's using Deep Seek, all your information is going immediately to the Chinese Communist Party for manipulation.

00:49:12.860 So artificial intelligence is a massive – I'm a Luddite.

00:49:17.100 I would very much like to slow down artificial intelligence full max until we think it through.

00:49:21.700 I think it's –

00:49:22.300 Now, there's this old Reaganite idea that you absolutely cannot slow the progress of technology.

00:49:29.740 Do you have sort of pointers on how that could be done?

00:49:33.660 I've got some of the top guys in AI are actually on our side.

00:49:37.020 We're putting something together to at least slow the move to artificial general intelligence.

00:49:42.680 Once you get to artificial general intelligence, it's – first of all, it's probably gone right now.

00:49:48.140 It's probably too late to stop it, although we're going to try to put up something.

00:49:51.280 But listen, technology from the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, my belief is, did much to free men and women from the horrors of some of this labor.

00:50:02.820 Now, with surveillance technology, we're going to apply – the increases in technology oppress individuals.

00:50:08.140 It's very oppressive.

00:50:08.980 I mean, we know this from – we're banned.

00:50:10.860 This show is one of the largest shows in America.

00:50:13.240 We're banned on virtually every platform.

00:50:15.200 We're banned in perpetuity on Facebook, on Spotify, on Instagram, on Twitter, banned on all of it because we were Trump's site for the stealing of the election of 2020, and then we were the first ones on the pandemic.

00:50:29.700 In the third week of January of 2020, we're the ones that came on, shifted – there was a war room pandemic.

00:50:35.060 We shifted a war room pandemic and told them, hey, it's out of Wuhan, and here's what happened. 0.84

00:50:39.280 And, of course, it was conspiracy theory and everything like that.

00:50:41.980 Now it's all mature.

00:50:42.800 We've got to bounce.

00:50:43.720 All right.

00:50:44.120 Great.

00:50:44.340 You have social media.

00:50:45.780 Where do people go to get your articles?

00:50:47.160 I'm not on social media, I'm afraid.

00:50:49.000 You're all over – you are a Luddite.

00:50:51.880 I don't know.

00:50:52.660 Does a website people go get your books or just –

00:50:55.080 No, just go to the Claremont Review.

00:50:57.720 Yeah, because I read your stuff all the time.

00:50:59.220 It's amazing.

00:50:59.680 Yeah.

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Bannon's War Room - April 24, 2025

WarRoom Battleground EP 754： MAGA’s Clash With The Establishment, America Thru The Decades

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