Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 756： CCP's Ties With Elite Education

00:00:00.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:00:18.960 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.

00:00:24.280 I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.

00:00:28.460 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:00:30.540 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:00:31.940 I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that,

00:00:33.660 but you're not going to stop it.

00:00:34.600 It's going to happen.

00:00:35.880 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?

00:00:39.260 MAGA Media.

00:00:40.600 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:00:46.020 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:00:49.800 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:00:55.460 Save.

00:00:56.060 War Room.

00:00:57.040 Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:01:04.680 It's Monday, 28 April, Year of the Lord, 2025.

00:01:08.320 Natalie Winters joins us from the White House.

00:01:10.480 Natalie, I think momentarily we may be getting a feed.

00:01:13.560 So I think we may be jumping into the old form of maybe a press avail.

00:01:16.780 We may be seeing it already on tape.

00:01:18.580 We'll figure it out.

00:01:19.240 But we just had Robert O'Brien, you know him, the national security virus, the last one for President Trump,

00:01:25.480 talking about India, the Chinese Communist Party.

00:01:28.300 I had an interview today with Steve Inscape of NPR,

00:01:31.880 and I kind of went off on the fact that at these universities,

00:01:34.520 I don't think we're being tough enough with about the 350,000 Chinese national students that are here, 1.00

00:01:40.280 the additional personnel they have in the national weapons labs.

00:01:43.500 And some of these labs are paying for, for research, have Chinese nationals here. 0.99

00:01:48.240 What are your thoughts about this situation at Harvard, ma'am?

00:01:52.520 Well, look, I think whenever we talk about Chinese Communist Party, foreign infiltration ops,

00:01:56.900 there's obviously a lot of focus on how they try to abstain from things turning kinetic,

00:02:01.140 because they say if you turn it kinetic, you've essentially already lost.

00:02:04.240 But I think what the important part is what you're really getting at,

00:02:06.800 what I think we're seeing going on, or at least what we saw at the southern border,

00:02:09.460 and even today I'd flag what's going on in the South China Sea, right?

00:02:12.640 China planting a flag on a Philippine island, just a dispute going on there.

00:02:17.520 I believe Sandy Kay is the name of it.

00:02:19.640 But you're seeing this fusion, I think, between their sort of typical tactics

00:02:23.560 when it comes to the theaters of war, right?

00:02:25.360 More in the information, economic, psychological, lawfare.

00:02:29.000 That's, of course, their three-warfares doctrine.

00:02:30.820 But you're almost seeing this convergence of it becoming kinetic in this sort of roundabout way.

00:02:36.040 And Harvard, I think, is a perfect example of how the American people,

00:02:39.880 it's not just that they're being misled, but they're being intentionally, I think, deceived,

00:02:44.120 not exactly by the Chinese Communist Party, but by the American experts that they're sort of propping up.

00:02:49.720 They have a name for it.

00:02:50.440 It's called the Borrowed Boat Strategy.

00:02:52.080 But they like to launder their narratives, their talking points through Westerners,

00:02:55.840 through trusted American, shall I say, media outlets like the ones that I'm standing by.

00:03:00.320 But Harvard is a perfect example, as a, at least in the CCP worldview,

00:03:04.340 of being an elite institution carrying some weight, some class in terms of influencing American political discourse.

00:03:10.720 They have collaborated with one of the premier United Front Work Department organizations

00:03:15.560 by the name of the China United States Exchange Foundation.

00:03:19.560 Now, the United Front Work Department is the very systematic and calculated political warfare operation

00:03:25.260 that emanates out of Beijing to the tune of billions of dollars.

00:03:28.960 Think Hunter Biden, but on an industrial scale.

00:03:32.480 And I know we'd like to talk about a lot of these universities collaborating with the Chinese Communist Party

00:03:36.680 like it's a thing of the past, right?

00:03:38.840 The Confucius Institutes were shuttered under President Trump.

00:03:41.620 They still have the CSSAs.

00:03:43.080 That's the Chinese Students and Scholars Association,

00:03:45.420 which is where there's more direct espionage efforts going on.

00:03:48.760 But just two weeks ago, if you can believe it, Harvard and actually Columbia

00:03:52.380 were having their sort of annual China conference.

00:03:55.920 It's the Harvard College China Conference.

00:03:58.020 It was April 14th.

00:04:00.240 And guess who not only what their closing speaker was,

00:04:02.840 but who their main partner in terms of sponsoring this event was?

00:04:06.400 None other than QSEF.

00:04:08.520 Now, just to go back real quick, QSEF has a very long pattern of collaborating,

00:04:12.960 particularly with Harvard, also UChicago, a lot of America's top universities,

00:04:17.620 in terms of flying students overseas, training them, having them meet,

00:04:21.120 in some cases even with PLA officials, touring Huawei offices, meeting with sanctioned companies

00:04:26.780 like Hikvision, Huawei, DJI drones.

00:04:30.000 It really is a horrible program and tactic that they use to co-opt a lot of these Western elites.

00:04:35.880 But I think the important point is that in the same world in which our taxpayer dollars

00:04:40.180 are going to subsidize Harvard University, they're concurrently taking billions of dollars.

00:04:45.420 And the disclosure is such that you'll never really know.

00:04:48.040 It's sort of the, you know, counter to, I guess, the act blue dark money, but it's by design.

00:04:52.780 But the Chinese Communist Party is still, as of two weeks ago, publicly sponsoring events

00:04:58.040 with Harvard College.

00:04:59.460 And they also do the Harvard Kennedy School Conference, too.

00:05:01.840 But it's so blatantly in your face.

00:05:03.740 And frankly, Steve, the buried lead is that it's so in your face.

00:05:06.860 That means that they know they've bought off the highest, the upper echelons of the United

00:05:11.060 States, of our society, that they can get away with doing it.

00:05:15.400 Now, when I talk about banning the students, Harvard's addicted to two things, maybe three

00:05:23.420 things, but definitely two things.

00:05:24.760 U.S. federal taxpayer money to keep different programs going.

00:05:29.140 Chinese Communist Party, massive infusion of cash, right, from programs, and probably Qatar.

00:05:34.720 However, I sent you that piece today.

00:05:36.520 There's a study out that says, is it $29 billion, the Chinese Communist Party in Qatar alone,

00:05:43.280 those two have put with major U.S. universities?

00:05:47.300 Our universities that used to be some of the most cherished institutions in our countries

00:05:52.040 are no longer American institutions.

00:05:54.620 This is why at Columbia you had 60% foreign students.

00:05:57.920 That stuff's got to end.

00:06:00.160 Federal money's got to stop right now.

00:06:01.740 They've got to purge these faculties. 0.98

00:06:03.040 They've got to purge the—and anybody that's a collaborator with the Chinese Communist Party

00:06:07.040 has got to go.

00:06:08.380 All the kids—and some of these kids are innocent, the Chinese national kids, but right 1.00

00:06:12.700 now, while they've got to sign that pledge, they have to report every 30 days.

00:06:15.920 For right now, they've got to go, all of them.

00:06:18.880 And you've got to open those slots up for American kids.

00:06:21.840 We've got to cut the money off from the Chinese. 1.00

00:06:23.540 The Chinese Communist Party, we're in an economic war with them right now.

00:06:27.000 Now, that sandbar that people—you know, the mainstream, oh, it's just a sandbar.

00:06:31.200 They are laying a stake to one of the islands as small as the sandbar or a toll

00:06:36.720 to make a statement against the Philippines that they're in charge of the South China Sea.

00:06:43.000 And you've got the, what, nine-dotted—the nine-dotted, you know, map or chart

00:06:48.280 that shows it's an inland sea to mainland China.

00:06:52.680 This thing's rolling hard.

00:06:54.780 And President Trump, you said it perfectly, the Sun Tzu part, if they have to go kinetic,

00:06:58.440 they think they've lost, so they're going to do everything else except kinetic.

00:07:02.740 And the thing they do most is that they know the foreign leaders can be bribed and bought off.

00:07:08.680 Natalie, it's a pretty sorry state of affairs.

00:07:11.140 Not only are the American elites can be bought off, they can be bought off pretty cheaply,

00:07:16.680 can they not, ma'am?

00:07:17.400 Yeah, I mean, I think the whole Confucius Institute issue is sort of the limited hangout version

00:07:23.880 in terms of what is going on on these college campuses.

00:07:26.880 But I think if you even extrapolate more broadly what you're talking about, which I agree,

00:07:30.560 we've been at economic war with them.

00:07:31.960 If not, I would say veering into the territory of kinetic warfare for a very long time.

00:07:36.520 But even if you take away, if you say, OK, maybe these students aren't affiliated directly

00:07:40.040 with the Chinese Communist Party, but table that for a second, we still shouldn't be educating

00:07:45.180 and training and imparting, let alone a country with a history, repeated history at that of

00:07:49.440 intellectual property theft and industrial espionage, with the secrets, with the trades,

00:07:54.900 with industry, with tips, with the brightest, though I don't know if the professors at Harvard

00:07:58.300 are necessarily the brightest, but we should not be educating the very people who will then

00:08:01.940 be competing with American companies, maybe in the boardrooms, but also maybe when it comes

00:08:06.260 to a battlefield.

00:08:06.960 And to that point, I think people don't understand that what the Chinese Communist Party is doing

00:08:13.820 in every facet of American society, I mean, to call it war is an understatement.

00:08:18.740 If you read their military doctrine, which people recall, this is what I got my start in in terms

00:08:22.960 of the investigative reporting, they have very, very calculated, the most heavily cited quote

00:08:29.120 throughout their military doctrine is to subdue, the supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy

00:08:34.000 without fighting. And that three warfares doctrine that I was talking about, it's psychological

00:08:38.540 warfare, media warfare, and lawfare. And all of that together is how China has, I would argue, 0.97

00:08:44.300 essentially taken over at least the Achilles heel of the United States, which is our ruling class. 1.00

00:08:50.500 But I just don't think that the people who are messaging on China, right, in the legacy media,

00:08:55.620 they will never understand the threat, partly because they're paid off, and we've exposed

00:09:00.120 time and time again, the trips that they've paid to take these journalists on in exchange for

00:09:04.860 favorable coverage. But the key point that I would make, too, for anyone who thinks it's so imperative

00:09:09.540 that we somehow replace the people who are going to, you know, replace your children or eventually go

00:09:15.340 to war with us, any company, any business, any person, anybody who is even tangentially linked

00:09:21.680 to China is Chinese to the Chinese Communist Party. They're subject to Article 7 of China's national 0.64

00:09:27.340 intelligence law, which stipulates that at any moment, for any purpose, for any reason, very

00:09:32.080 broad scope there, under essentially any purview, they can be requisitioned by the state, by Chinese

00:09:37.920 Ministry of Intelligence, by their spy services, to do whatever the Chinese Communist Party can please.

00:09:44.080 And if you know that that's a thing, I have no idea why you would be importing to the tune of hundreds

00:09:48.460 of thousands of foreign students onto these college campuses, where you see it time and time again,

00:09:53.940 people being indicted, arrested for stealing research secrets, for not disclosing that

00:09:58.420 they're being funded by the Chinese Communist Party. And your previous guest, Robert O'Brien,

00:10:03.300 what he really did that was so revolutionary during Trump one was that he really focused on enforcing

00:10:09.520 Farrah and overhauling that and using that as sort of a touchstone or at least a guiding light 0.76

00:10:14.860 to go after what are the, as we speak, active 200 plus registered foreign agents on behalf of the

00:10:22.160 Chinese Communist Party. When we talk about the lobbying firms and the law firms, part of the way

00:10:27.680 that China has been able to co-opt the city is that explicitly tied to whether it's Beijing

00:10:34.000 municipal services or Shanghai, name your city, these cities will retain Western law firms or lobbying

00:10:40.020 firms, the ones on K Street that I'm not too far from, and they'll lobby for them for sort of, you know,

00:10:44.440 meaningless, paltry issues. But the real point is that they're on the payroll. Not only are they probably

00:10:49.700 hacking all their devices, but they are then for all the rest of the American and Western corporate

00:10:53.740 clients that they're working on behalf of, they're not going to compromise or come after the clients

00:10:58.280 who are also paying them. I think one of the most staggering and stunning statistics from the

00:11:02.860 entirety of Trump one was when they classified, it was over, I believe, 25 Chinese companies as

00:11:08.840 military collaborators, which, you know, military civil fusion, it's not just an industry thing. It's a

00:11:14.080 science thing. We know the Wuhan Institute of Virology. But of those 20, 25 companies, four or

00:11:20.020 five of them had active Western lobbyists working on their behalf, trying to get them government

00:11:25.740 contracts, trying to, you know, protect their image in the Western press. That's, if you extrapolate

00:11:31.420 that out to every Chinese company, that's extremely damaging. But all of this stuff is very well 0.78

00:11:36.820 rehearsed. And I think that most people are really naive. Yes. Hang on. I want to make sure

00:11:42.340 the audience gets a full impact of this. They're lobbying to get U.S. government contracts. Think

00:11:48.780 about that for a second, folks. As if your pension fund hasn't been the private equity and hedge fund

00:11:55.280 money that shipped the jobs over there, that your tax money is not keeping this madness going,

00:12:00.280 that they have retained lobbyists to get government defense contracts. I mean, it's insane. You can't

00:12:09.280 say, I mean, they're at a war with us. They must think we're idiots. We fund it. We let them steal the 1.00

00:12:14.560 technology, or we train them up in it, or we just look the other way. If our companies, to get access

00:12:21.440 to their market, have to form joint ventures, the first thing they have to dump in is their 0.94

00:12:25.580 intellectual property. I mean, it's open season on the Americans. Explain just as a tutorial. Just go

00:12:32.200 back. Explain to folks, when you say a United Front entity or United Front effort, what does United

00:12:38.300 Front mean? Sure. So this is actually a branch. It's led by the Chinese People's Political Consultative

00:12:46.420 Conference. So this group oversees their foreign outreach efforts, not just limited to the United

00:12:51.900 States, and not even limited to the Western world. It's sort of, I would say, the political

00:12:56.340 institutionalization of what they attempted to do with the Belt and Road, the 140-plus countries that

00:13:02.820 signed on to that. That was using infrastructure and ports as leverage. The United Front Work

00:13:07.320 Department uses business deals, putting spouses on the payroll, in some cases blackmail, trips to China.

00:13:13.500 But a lot of these very euphemistic-sounding organizations, a lot of various city-level

00:13:18.800 federation for return Chinese overseas, the whole sister cities scam, the Chinese Association for 0.94

00:13:25.320 International and Friendly Contact, the Chinese People's Association for Foreign Contact. They have

00:13:30.640 these very innocuous but funny-sounding names, but they're very calculated. And I would say just my

00:13:36.560 overview, having tracked this stuff, people can probably tell I geek out on this, but in the early

00:13:41.960 2000s, like after they joined the WTO and were really focusing on the economic warfare stuff,

00:13:47.640 they were very content, I would argue, with just sort of shaping and astroturfing the narrative

00:13:52.240 about what exactly constituted China's rise. And they wanted China to be looked at by the rest of

00:13:57.740 the world as a model, you know, that they were a great country, they lifted all these people out of

00:14:01.980 poverty. But post-Trump entering office, and maybe even a little before that, I think that the

00:14:08.880 influence ops sort of shifted where they were no longer content just shaping the narratives around

00:14:13.200 China. But that was when you really saw them, I think, start to do the more cultural subversion stuff 1.00

00:14:18.160 here in the West. And that's when you really get into the, you know, fifth dimension, fifth kind of

00:14:23.260 generation warfare, where by having, you know, by co-opting politicians who will push for immigration

00:14:29.200 policies that lead to an open border, you then allow military-aged Chinese males with ties to 0.52

00:14:34.240 the PLA to enter your country through that porous border. When you have lax politicians who won't

00:14:39.520 enforce agricultural laws, that's how you see China buying up farmland. That's how you see politicians

00:14:44.560 who won't call out Chinese spy balloons. That's how you co-opt an entire scientific community to give 0.98

00:14:49.060 our tax dollars to the Wuhan Institute of Virology. That's how, you know, and the list goes on,

00:14:53.760 right? Take your pick. Hollywood's a perfect example of that. And academia, going back to Harvard,

00:14:58.280 Harvard is also a perfect example of that because, you know, all of these stupid research papers and 1.00

00:15:03.640 white papers that they put out, there's no meaning to them. It's not like these researchers are sitting 0.99

00:15:08.160 around wanting to write, you know, dozens of pages about useless, woke stuff. Those are then used to

00:15:13.820 lobby members of Congress to adopt certain positions. And when the Harvard Ash Center is literally being

00:15:19.060 funded by Chinese Communist Party-owned enterprises, and in some cases, I mean, Harvard, Xi Jinping's

00:15:24.800 daughter lives in Boston and goes to Harvard. You know what I mean? It's absurd, the level of

00:15:30.860 compromise, but the boldness of it shows you how deeply embedded they actually are. I mean,

00:15:36.960 there's a person who is right now a professor emeritus or whatever at the Naval War College,

00:15:42.500 who I exposed years ago for visiting and going to the Shanghai Academy for Social Sciences,

00:15:49.180 which our own intelligence services have flagged as being the hotbed for how the Chinese Communist

00:15:55.040 Party flags and finds Western spies who will leak documents to them. And we've seen several CIA people

00:16:01.380 leak documents. They have established channels. So if a stupid, you know, Naval War professor is

00:16:08.780 able to do that and Naval War College is able to do that and get away with it, this goes all the way 1.00

00:16:14.560 to the top of society. The idea that this is just, you know, Western greed and lust for the Chinese 1.00

00:16:19.460 market, that's part of it. Maybe that works with Mark Zuckerberg, though I'd argue he's

00:16:23.680 compromised too. But this is very, very, very calculated. It's why I was able to have the

00:16:29.960 investigative career that I had at the age of 19, because there was so much to report on that no one

00:16:34.760 ever wanted to get into because they were bought off and paid for by them.

00:16:38.440 Given your professional expertise, what do you think it's going to take to put a blowtorch to this

00:16:47.500 and to rid Harvard of this bacillus, ma'am? 0.90

00:16:54.000 So I would start by Congress subpoenaing every Western lobbying firm that has worked on behalf of

00:17:00.880 a Chinese Communist Party linked company to get all the documents, to get the names of the people that

00:17:06.480 they collaborated with, the journalists that went on these trips, the think tankers, the students,

00:17:11.300 just get the names first. And then from there, I think you can kind of reverse engineer who's up to

00:17:16.640 no good. But I would have a zero tolerance policy for a lot of these people who have any affiliation

00:17:21.600 with these Chinese Communist Party United Front Work Department groups. The CCP, as I always described,

00:17:27.220 is radioactive. They're toxic. Once you are awash in their influence ops, you don't escape. 0.94

00:17:32.460 I also think that I would say I maybe perhaps disagree with DOJ's decision to

00:17:39.240 water down some of the FARA registration. I actually think FARA is an important statute.

00:17:45.020 I don't necessarily think that what it currently is is all that great. I would have reformed it

00:17:48.680 before getting it out. But I think that they should more intensely enforce FARA operations and

00:17:54.460 make these universities have to disclose their funding. I think that first and foremost and have

00:17:59.880 them make the case to the American people while they're taking and actually, believe it or not,

00:18:03.120 training leaders from the Xinjiang Production and Construction Corps, which has orchestrated the

00:18:07.940 entire Uyghur genocide. Harvard actually has a special program where they used to invite them

00:18:12.480 over here. They would bring them, they'd let them tour the Capitol and have them meet with members of

00:18:16.880 Congress and instruct them how to be better and more efficient politicians. I'm not kidding.

00:18:21.840 I don't know about the audience, but I'm all set to say that I think Natalie is ready to go into

00:18:29.040 a cabinet position, or at least an undersecretary somewhere. We do have a, but while we got you,

00:18:35.040 Natalie, we're going to use you. Let's show, we got the clip. Let's show the clip from over the weekend.

00:18:40.540 We journalists are a lot of things. We are competitive and pushy. We are impatient. And

00:18:48.980 sometimes we think we know everything. But we're also human. We miss our families and significant

00:18:55.580 life moments in service to this job. We care deeply about accuracy and take seriously the heavy

00:19:01.460 responsibility of being stewards of the public's trust. What we are not is the opposition. What we

00:19:08.860 are not is the enemy of the people. And what we are not is the enemy of the state.

00:19:34.300 Natalie, I thought there was no comedian this year at the White House Correspondents' Dinner,

00:19:38.380 man.

00:19:40.460 Maybe I'm pro-fact checkers, because fact check, false. That's, of course, Eugene Daniels,

00:19:46.220 the, I guess, newfound MSNBC contributor who, what, accuses us of being biased despite working

00:19:50.880 for a network where a former Democrat press secretary now works. They recently did a panel

00:19:55.940 together. I'll have to clip it for you. They said some truly wild stuff. I described that dinner as

00:20:01.960 like a doomsday prepper bunker, because that's essentially what it felt like. There was a lot of

00:20:06.000 internal drama amidst the WHCA about whether or not they should actually have had the dinner given

00:20:11.480 the circumstances that we live under. But I will say my takeaway, I went to some of the events this

00:20:15.960 weekend, is that new media, I mean, we've always been strong, but we've never been stronger. And

00:20:20.980 it's quite interesting to watch the legacy media people interact with the new media. I would say much

00:20:25.680 like myself. They treat us like zoo animals. They don't know what to do with us. Maybe it's rooted in envy

00:20:31.440 because their networks are getting spun off and sold and they have no viewership. But I had some

00:20:36.740 very interesting interactions this week. But I just think that this dinner, I know I hosted the

00:20:42.360 Friday show and I made the point to our audience that this is really a victory for them. I mean,

00:20:46.480 in the same way that President Trump has commandeered the Kennedy Center, that weekend is supposed to be

00:20:51.700 something where all of my wonderful colleagues standing around me right now who are, believe me,

00:20:56.060 apoplectic over all the illegal aliens, criminal illegal aliens that have been deported. You can see the

00:21:00.660 signs behind me. I don't know if they know what to do with those. But that's a weekend that those

00:21:04.240 people are supposed to celebrate and relish in the idea that there are these journalists, right,

00:21:08.160 these pristine, untouchable pseudo-intellectuals. You took that from them. Our audience took that

00:21:13.940 from them, not just by helping President Trump get elected, but by helping shows like this, people like

00:21:18.940 you, people like me, have the platforms that we do to totally destroy and debunk their narratives.

00:21:25.120 And I just want to thank our audience and applaud our audience for having done that,

00:21:29.520 because these people are the most smug, like I said, pseudo-intellectuals you will ever meet who

00:21:33.760 think they're better than you. They have nothing but contempt for the American people. They would 0.53

00:21:37.620 scoff if we were covering the truck driver issue. They would try to find a way to bring up, who knows,

00:21:42.460 multiculturalism. But it was an important marker. This is, if you read the reports of it,

00:21:48.300 people were hugging longer than they could. They were wearing flats instead of heels. And I think that

00:21:52.740 that's quite symbolic on the, you want to talk about psychological warfare coming from the CCP?

00:21:56.720 Our audience can dish as good as they can take. And they've dished a lot against this

00:22:01.600 legacy media elite. And it's quite glorious to see them not be able to have their parties at not

00:22:07.940 just taxpayer expense, ideologically, but it's, it was great to see. And I have some funny stories.

00:22:14.840 Maybe we'll have to do an after hours edition, but me and the legacy media, it's an interesting thing.

00:22:20.720 Maybe we'll do that. A lot of them are texting me. I'm like, no,

00:22:25.720 I don't want to hang out.

00:22:28.860 Exactly. Slide into your DMs, right?

00:22:31.960 Now, I want to go back to the phrase, though, that seems to upset them and they got to have to give a

00:22:36.560 round of applause to. This is a term we came up in the early days of the first Trump administration,

00:22:43.120 when it was so obvious that everything was hand-to-hand combat.

00:22:45.680 And I really want to applaud Caroline Levitt, Susie Wiles, Taylor Bowditch, Stephen Chung,

00:22:53.740 the entire, you know, media team over there and the chief of staff for really having the strength

00:22:59.180 of purpose to kind of move these people aside and let some young fire breathers in from actually

00:23:06.520 places that have audiences and have engaged activists. The enemy of the people. You could

00:23:12.820 tell that we landed that one and that stings. They have to go and try to reinforce the fact

00:23:18.420 that we're not the enemy of the people. Now, Eugene doesn't actually make the most, you know,

00:23:24.000 he's not the most powerful speaker, but in your hanging out with this group this weekend,

00:23:29.320 is that something that stings a lot that they're now referred to as the enemy of the people?

00:23:36.580 Yeah. And I think the fact that they're using that terminology, it means that it's stuck,

00:23:40.520 right? We won. Like the fact that he says opposition, that's something that we talk about

00:23:44.680 all the time. Usually they would, they would reject that framing. Um, it's an, it's an interesting

00:23:49.620 phenomenon because though you would think that like they would detest my presence being there and hate

00:23:55.900 me, it's, it's more of like a curiosity while also thinking like you're a mental patient, like you 0.90

00:24:01.980 belong in an insane asylum. And I think the biggest interesting just thing to me, you see it sort of

00:24:08.320 in their coverage, I think of the new media, but how they even speak to me. It's like, as if they've

00:24:13.420 never talked to someone with my beliefs before, which for a white house reporter, for someone who

00:24:18.640 covers politics, that's sort of outlandish. And I'm not saying that they don't hit the campaign trail

00:24:23.180 and interview MAGA supporters, but I think that they have truly a contempt for them. They think that

00:24:28.940 they're better. They think because, you know, we didn't go to Harvard and get brainwashed by the

00:24:32.460 Chinese communist party, um, that somehow their voices matter more. And I just think that it's wild 0.99

00:24:38.220 that the new media beat is the advent of the new media beat. It's this whole thing now, right? We've been

00:24:44.620 around for a very long time. Like I meet people who don't know what war room is and it's preposterous,

00:24:50.760 right? Covering, I mean, that's malpractice in terms of being a journalist. So it's, it's an, it's a very

00:24:55.920 interesting kind of juxtaposition between two different worlds. I break it back to China. It's 0.97

00:25:02.540 like a Thucydides trap, right? You have the two competing legacy media, new media, but, um, it's,

00:25:08.300 it's weird. I do it for the audience, but please don't make me do this forever. Yeah.

00:25:13.220 One reason I still don't think they've realized that we're there permanently,

00:25:16.820 not just in this administration, but in Trump 28. And then thereafter that this new media is not

00:25:23.600 going away. We only get stronger and bigger, bigger audiences and more relevant, more scoops

00:25:27.820 every day. They're kind of on the sidelines. I don't think it's hit on them. They think you're

00:25:33.040 a curiosity. They also think you're a curiosity that's just passing through. They have not embraced

00:25:38.360 the fact that you and the people that follow you are there forever. Yes. Natalie, social media.

00:25:47.720 How do people, how do people follow you, man? Natalie G. Winters on all platforms. We'll have to find

00:25:53.480 a way to do a special episode where I tell my stories from this weekend. I met Kennedy. How's

00:25:59.040 that for a teaser? I hope you gave her, I hope you gave her the old what for, for that daily

00:26:06.680 mail thing. Anyway, we'll talk about that later. Natalie, you're the best. Keep working, girl.

00:26:11.920 Have a good one.

00:26:12.660 Okay. We're gonna take a short commercial break. A huge event today in Spain and Portugal. Still

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00:31:35.380 Good evening. Authorities across Spain and Portugal are tonight scrambling to restore power to large

00:31:54.140 areas of their countries after one of the biggest power outages in recent history. A cyber attack has

00:32:00.600 been ruled out as the cause, with engineers instead blaming what has been called a rare atmospheric

00:32:06.100 phenomenon that could take days to fully resolve. Ashna Haranag sent this report from Madrid.

00:32:15.060 Carnage in Spain's capital. No traffic lights at this roundabout makes for an almost lawless scene

00:32:21.420 as cars and pedestrians navigate the disorder. It's a picture replicated across the country and in

00:32:27.980 Portugal too. Both nations entirely cut off from power. As the train network grounded to a halt,

00:32:36.400 some stranded passengers in Valencia walked the rest of their journeys. Railway lines deserted and

00:32:42.540 phone lines dead. By lunchtime, office workers poured onto the streets, dazed and disconnected.

00:32:49.760 We were working very well. Suddenly the computer went down. We thought it was a normal blackout as it

00:32:57.180 happens sometimes, but then we heard it was a cyber attack. This was through information through

00:33:01.900 the poor connection we had to the internet. After that, we stopped having any comms, no access to the

00:33:07.100 internet, nothing. And then came the official announcements. Travel is only advised if necessary.

00:33:13.700 State security forces have increased their presence and vigilance on the streets and roads. But for

00:33:21.640 the moment, no civil protection has been observed. As for railway traffic, it has stopped, as you know,

00:33:28.100 for the safety of passengers. Passengers wanting to travel in and out of the countries are desperate

00:33:33.760 for movement. That's simply not happening. Flights in and out are severely delayed or cancelled.

00:33:40.500 Madrid and Barcelona airports are running off contingency generators. There are queues

00:33:45.240 everywhere you look. The taxis, staff desks and check-in. People are desperate for information.

00:33:52.440 The dropout blamed on Spain's electricity grid. Portuguese grid officials say due to extreme

00:33:59.100 temperature variations in the interior of Spain, there were anomalous oscillations in the very high

00:34:05.120 voltage lines. A phenomenon known as induced atmospheric vibration. It's estimated that full

00:34:12.580 normalization of the network could take up to a week. Two countries thrown into darkness and the cause

00:34:19.640 is still up.

00:34:20.480 Okay, folks, this is seven million people in a very advanced industrial country. There's something not

00:34:31.980 right here. And I want everybody to take notes. That's why we covered it this morning as soon as I first

00:34:35.440 heard about it and got some heads up from people that this was going to be big. Dave Walsh joins us. Dave,

00:34:41.860 great job this morning. What is the mumbo jumbo, Dave, that they gave us at the end? My eyes are

00:34:48.380 crossed. What is this new term, induced what? And what are the saints caused by?

00:34:53.960 This is a phrase we have not heard before. Today's word salad from the Spanish government. Induced

00:34:59.340 atmospheric vibration caused by overheating of transmission lines due to heat from the sun,

00:35:05.460 from the atmosphere. Nothing unusual about temperatures in Spain today, actually. This is

00:35:12.480 a remarkable explanation that has never been proffered before. I have never heard of it. We

00:35:18.400 have never heard of it. But I'm telling you, it smacks of when you have a system that is now 50%

00:35:25.980 dependent, as theirs is, on variable part-time electricity sources, solar, wind, and battery

00:35:31.780 storage, mainly solar, you are vastly exposed to needing, one, the importation of huge quantities

00:35:37.400 of electricity for when you don't have those resources, which generally is like 75% of the

00:35:42.600 time. Those resources aren't prevalent in enough abundance to create power. So they do have a

00:35:48.500 massive interlink with France for nuclear power. And of course, a robust activity with Morocco

00:35:53.840 and Libya on natural gas imports to fuel their remaining gas-fired plants, which they're closing

00:35:59.720 over time. As they're also closing their nuclear plants, and they have a plan to close their last

00:36:04.480 two coal plants in the next several years, an attempt to be 80% dependent on variable electricity

00:36:10.820 generation resources, which means they'll be heavily dependent on France, Libya, and Morocco

00:36:15.200 going forward. Possibly, if they build an LNG terminal, be dependent on U.S. LNG coming in there

00:36:20.460 also. This is the risk of having an energy system for electricity that is based on a firm foundation

00:36:28.940 of variable nature-based resources, not controllable by human command, or what we call dispatchable.

00:36:36.180 And we are headed in the same direction here, in our own system.

00:36:39.780 I want to go to that. Is this part of the decarbonization effort? Are they farther along than Germany, sir?

00:36:50.060 They're in about the same place. They're about equal to Germany in the percentage of the capacity 0.92

00:36:57.800 of power generation devices installed that are renewable. Solar plus wind in Spain is now about

00:37:04.540 66% of their installed capacity and about 50% of their electricity supply. So to offset, when that's

00:37:12.020 not present, they now have massive importation of French nuclear and from their gas plants, gas coming

00:37:17.960 from Libya and Morocco to offset all the time of day, the very lengthy time of day, that this kind of 0.65

00:37:23.700 resource supplies nothing. So you've got a very unstable grid.

00:37:28.620 Yeah. I want to talk about the United States, but I want to break it down by states. I want to talk

00:37:44.620 Florida, South Carolina, and Texas. Those are about as three MAGA states as you can get.

00:37:51.240 Red-blooded Americans live there. Are we heading down a path in those three states to replicate

00:37:59.800 what Spain and Portugal have done, sir?

00:38:04.360 I'm sad to report in Texas, we're there already on an installed capacity basis. Texas is now about

00:38:10.680 55% solar, wind, and battery storage. ERCOT is the grid there. The ERCOT plan for the next five years,

00:38:18.800 assembled by all their power companies, is that the next five years will be 90% of the

00:38:24.080 new capacity additions the next five years will be solar and battery storage. Two-hour-a-day

00:38:30.320 storage, six-hour-a-day solar. So Texas will be in exactly the same place as Spain within five years.

00:38:37.440 It's almost there now. And you know, every summer, we're talking because of that on this show about

00:38:42.880 the electricity shortages imminent in the hottest days of the summer when they're just about out of

00:38:48.160 power to meet normal air conditioning demand when it's 98, 99, which happens frequently

00:38:53.680 in large parts of Texas. Normal, normal days. Running out of electricity because of you don't

00:38:59.200 have enough wind blowing late in the afternoon. And then solar power diminishes badly between five

00:39:04.000 and seven. It reduces by like 80%. But the temperatures hang in there to about 92% of peak

00:39:09.920 till about nine at night. So you get this massive risk window in Texas between five and eight o'clock

00:39:16.080 when the temperatures remain very high. But the solar, the solar concentration for power generation

00:39:21.520 gets very, very low after about 5 p.m. Here is a headed there where the Florida plan for the next 10

00:39:28.080 years is to install 30 go from 30,000 megawatts of solar grow by about 30,000 more megawatts,

00:39:36.480 and only add about 2000 megawatts of gas fired power here. So our whole plan in this state for the next

00:39:42.000 10 years is about 95% solar power, new capacity additions, and about 5% man controlled, dispatchable,

00:39:50.640 baseload, gas fired. It's horrible. We're headed the same place in cost, in cost of space, and federal

00:39:57.680 liability. Hang on, hang on. That's not horrible. That's insanity. There has to be something I don't

00:40:03.760 understand is because the new capital equipment is because it's this new thing. Why given, and particularly

00:40:10.160 now that Trump's in, and Texas is Texas, how could this possibly be? You just told me that these two

00:40:17.120 are on the path to be, and quickly to be Spain and Portugal. We know that model doesn't work.

00:40:24.000 We know it's absurd to even, we mock the Europeans for doing this. We mock the Europeans for decarbonizing 1.00

00:40:31.280 on a cult. And here's what's so upsetting about it. The people that brought on the cult of

00:40:36.640 decarbonization have totally walked away from it because it could, it can limit their ability

00:40:42.880 to build data centers and have power centers that can, that can, it can power artificial

00:40:49.200 intelligence. As soon as they see something they want more, they run to that. You don't hear any of

00:40:54.160 this nonsense, any of this crap from these people anymore because they don't want to limit the power 0.97

00:40:59.520 that they know that, that artificial intelligence has. How can the state of Texas with Abbott and how 0.97

00:41:05.120 can Florida with DeSantis and these legislatures and no offense, I don't know, two thirds of the

00:41:12.240 population is MAGA. How could this possibly going down this path, which is so obviously the road to

00:41:18.880 perdition, sir? DeSantis won't address it. He has never addressed it. He has never spoken publicly about

00:41:25.440 it, that his public service commission appointed by him has approved every single solar new capacity

00:41:32.720 plan of Duke Energy and especially next era, TECO submitted to the PSC here for the last five

00:41:38.240 years. Under all those plans, those companies are installing nothing but solar power and battery

00:41:44.000 storage. It's not, it's not a diverse energy model at all. It's one thing. It's solar and battery storage

00:41:50.080 for the next 10 years here. On top of the fact that these two companies with TECO have spent about 13

00:41:54.960 billion in the last four years on the same stuff that operates here 22% of the time. The known

00:42:01.600 capacity factor in solar here is 22% operational, 78% not. Utilities benefit from this in the following

00:42:09.440 way. The capital return on investment, they're guaranteed by the public service commission is

00:42:14.320 10.8%. The cost of this stuff has been four times more than building conventional combined cycle power

00:42:20.320 plants, gas power plants. So they win, win, win, because the capex churn, the capex investment

00:42:25.920 is so much higher on which they get their guaranteed rate of return. This is a big win for them. They

00:42:31.440 hide behind the notion of net zero decarb to defend, and they now hide behind under the prior

00:42:36.160 administration, hide behind the EPA in defending adding nothing but this stuff that because it's so

00:42:42.320 costly and so intermittent drives up electricity costs through the roof. It's gone up, power costs have

00:42:47.680 gone up. But hang on, but hang on, hang on. MAGA ain't shy about saying, hey, this is not right.

00:42:54.880 Why do I not hear rate payers? Or maybe we do and our ear's just not out. We'll give them a platform.

00:42:59.760 Why are the rate payers in Texas and in Florida, which are the two rail heads of the MAGA movement,

00:43:05.760 why are they not sitting there going, this is outrageous? We're, we're, we're being, we're being

00:43:10.000 ripped off on something. By the way, if you were doing this from something that had a longer good to

00:43:14.560 it, you could see it. This doesn't, it was clearly a hoax, phony science. And the reason I know that

00:43:19.360 is all the people that promoted it ditched it immediately when it came between them and the

00:43:24.240 ultimate power of artificial intelligence. You don't hear any of this net zero crap anymore from 0.91

00:43:29.600 the, uh, from the oligarchs. Why are the rate payers not in rebellion down in Florida and in Texas, 0.97

00:43:34.880 sir? Um, government officials here seem to think people want this year. They never cross-link the high

00:43:41.600 cost of it with, with doing this. The reality of it is never discussed in cost base by the utilities

00:43:48.240 nor government officials here. Utilities are massive pack donors to government officials here to get

00:43:54.720 elected. Utilities are the second largest donor group in the state behind insurance companies.

00:43:59.760 They control the state house, the state Senate and the governor's thinking on anything about energy

00:44:06.080 strategy. Most notoriously, Nextera. Nextera's articulated CapEx stock program for equity growth

00:44:13.600 of their firm is to be the world's largest owner of wind, solar and battery farms in the world.

00:44:19.600 That is their articulated stock hype message on Wall Street. It has served them well. So now they want

00:44:25.600 to backflip that into Florida and do the same thing here. This place is an embarrassment to them 0.65

00:44:30.480 because they just built five, six years ago, five major, huge combined cycle plants. We knew as much

00:44:36.400 about CO2 five years ago when they did that. Now they're beginning to throttle those back, run them

00:44:41.280 part-time, intermittent, up and down, up and down, making them much more inefficient to back up solar

00:44:46.480 that only operates here about 22% of the time. Now this is, it's a big money game for the utilities.

00:44:52.240 They're a massive donor. The general population, because they promote so much, uh, false information

00:44:58.400 on this stuff being kind of free, which is entirely false information by the fact that this is somehow

00:45:04.160 cheap energy. It's way not. It's four times more costly because it's so intermittent and part-time.

00:45:10.400 Texas, the same thing's been underway. There has to be a change in, and the legislature there is

00:45:15.920 considering now a requirement that half of new capacity in Texas has to be baseload, continuous

00:45:21.520 duty, human controlled. That's now under consideration in Texas. That's great news. That would help solve

00:45:27.280 this in Texas. Over here, nothing of the sorts underway. DeSantis has been duplicitous and quiet

00:45:33.520 about the whole damn thing, and has not been forthright with the people on the real cost of 0.98

00:45:37.440 this in way reduced reliability, reserve margins going way, way down, and costs going way, way up, 0.98

00:45:43.440 which they have. They have. Duke's cost here of 42% the last eight years, and about 32% in the last four

00:45:50.240 years, largely because of this, because of the nine, the eight or so billion that they have planned to put

00:45:56.720 into this, plus the three billion they put into this already, that generates almost no power.

00:46:01.280 It's very sad. It makes a lot of money. What about the great, what about the, damn right,

00:46:06.800 makes a lot of money for it because they're putting in new capex and getting, and getting,

00:46:10.640 and getting what the rate payers to pay for it with a, what guaranteed 10%. What about South,

00:46:15.520 the great state of South Carolina, another mega state, sir? South Carolina has recently extended the

00:46:21.760 life of two coal plants. The Santee Cooper generating company that's owned by the state,

00:46:26.480 very unusual model in the South. They used to have a state-owned electricity utility generation

00:46:30.640 company, has extended the life of White Plant Wina and its other large coal plant there for

00:46:36.480 five to seven years because of the power shortage. So that's good news. Now, by the way, Duke Energy

00:46:41.920 named a new president and CEO, Harry Sedaris. Great guy, great engineer, understands all this.

00:46:47.520 Within two weeks of being announced, he's announced an alliance with GE Vernova to buy

00:46:52.960 seven new advanced gas turbines. Now, we're hoping a couple of them may come here to Florida,

00:46:58.000 South North Carolina get two or three or four of those, Cincinnati get one or two of them in the

00:47:02.160 whole Duke world, and build some combined cycle continuous duty baseload power, hopefully.

00:47:08.000 At the same time, back in Florida, the chairman of Florida Power and Light of NextEra has announced

00:47:12.880 an alliance with GE Vernova to buy gas turbines for their hyperscaler clients around the country.

00:47:20.080 So here's FP&L and NextEra announcing for Florida, net zero decarb only, solar only,

00:47:25.280 but for their hyperscaler AI clients nationally, they're buying a bunch of gas turbines to feed them

00:47:31.680 24-hour-a-day cost-effective power. You talk about duplicitous kind of rhetoric from one company.

00:47:38.560 Solarize Florida, based on a net zero decarb philosophy, ruin power capacity here and reliability,

00:47:46.000 drive costs through the roof, but give hyperscalers exactly what they need, 24-hour-a-day combined

00:47:50.960 cycle gas-fired power around the country, supplied by NextEra. Just announced by that,

00:47:56.080 an alliance with GE for that purpose. Not here for ratepayers, but for their hyperscaler clients.

00:48:01.600 It's, you know, we have some awkward things going on here in this space.

00:48:08.240 Last thing, only 10% of Spain and Portugal are back online. They say it could take four

00:48:14.720 or five days. This could be very dangerous. I mean, you've got a country with seven million

00:48:19.120 people in large urban areas that have no power whatsoever, and you can tell these urban areas

00:48:24.800 are not set up for that, sir.

00:48:26.320 Well, before we connected in this forum, Texas had that happen in the winter back three years ago.

00:48:32.800 Grid loss for about close to a week in the snowmageddon of three years ago in January.

00:48:38.880 In the last three summers that we've been chatting back and forth about Texas crisis in July and August,

00:48:43.680 that comes up about every two weeks, they've been that close to losing the entire grid in Texas.

00:48:49.280 When your demand exceeds supply, you can easily lose the grid. You've got too much demand being

00:48:55.440 placed on resources, causes units to shut down, causes a reconstruction of the grid,

00:49:01.120 logic and programming to get it back up and running, can take a week to 10 days. That's a disaster.

00:49:06.960 Texas has been right on the verge of that about five times in the last two summers. Same set of issues

00:49:13.200 as here. And we haven't called it induced atmospheric vibration. It's shortage of electricity to meet demand.

00:49:20.160 So they've skated by in Texas the last two years with a lot of demand curtailment and voluntary

00:49:25.840 requests of users to scale back washers, dryers, air conditioning in the late afternoon. And that's

00:49:32.160 worked. Fortunately, that's worked. But they've been that close also to losing the grid for up to a week

00:49:37.520 or more in Texas the last two years. Because this is what happens when you lose the grid. It takes a while to

00:49:43.120 reconstruct the system. It's not physical. There's a lot of programming and interconnections to make it

00:49:48.800 re-sync and get back up and running. You don't want to lose the grid. Spain has done that. It's a complete

00:49:54.800 disaster. Dave, I know you're following this one for us. We'll talk to you tomorrow morning. Where's your

00:50:02.880 social media in the interim, sir? I appreciate the opportunity to speak about it, Steve. It's on

00:50:08.000 the XTruthSocial and getter, DaveWalshEnergy.com. Thank you.

00:50:13.440 No, when you talk about it, my head blows up. It can't. I mean, it could happen anywhere else in

00:50:18.960 the country. It could not possibly happen in Texas and Florida. But it's happening in Texas and Florida.

00:50:25.440 It just shows you. Unless you keep them honest every day of the week, you just never know, right? You

00:50:29.600 just got to do it. You got to be on top of it nonstop. The situation in Texas is out of control,

00:50:35.040 all that Texas house. Anyway, Dave Walsh, you're a great man. Thanks for doing this.

00:50:41.840 We're going to lose some of our contributors here in the next couple of weeks that are going to go

00:50:45.200 to jobs in other places, right, to high office. We'll make some announcements. I hope one day,

00:50:53.360 Dave Walsh is one of them. He's a guy that the administration needs big time.

00:50:58.000 And we need you. What we're going to need is you to man the ramparts. Scott Bessent is out today.

00:51:04.400 And what does Scott Bessent say? Scott Bessent, I don't know if I have this. Yes. Scott Bessent

00:51:10.240 just tweeted out. This is called truth, folks. We had another successful big six meeting today,

00:51:16.720 and we hope to have a tax bill done by the 4th of July. The House is moving quickly.

00:51:22.320 Happy announced the steps to agree to it.

00:51:25.760 Thune said today will be the summer. Scott Bessent, finally, this is why he's a safe pair of hands

00:51:30.560 as Secretary of the Treasury. With all the happy talk of Polly Pockets, he said this would never

00:51:35.600 happen. Scott comes out today and says, we hope by July. That means those guys working through

00:51:42.880 the Memorial Day weekend and grinding through to hopefully get it by the 6th of July or the 4th of

00:51:48.960 July or somewhere around that. It's the first time anybody's put a real time frame here.

00:51:53.760 Even with all the hard work they're going to do, I think it's going to come later.

00:51:57.760 So watch, and this is why people are talking about Stefanik for Speak of the House.

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Bannon's War Room - April 28, 2025

WarRoom Battleground EP 756： CCP's Ties With Elite Education

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