Bannon's War Room - May 08, 2025


WarRoom Battleground EP 764： Marxism And CCP Infiltration At Stanford

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In this episode of the War Room, host Stephen K.K. Bannon is joined by Luke Rosiak of The Daily Wire to discuss a new piece on the corruption at the African Development Foundation, an agency run by the Department of Agriculture.

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00:00:00.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
00:00:07.720 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
00:00:12.900 Here's the time I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
00:00:17.220 The people have had a belly full of it.
00:00:19.120 I know you don't like hearing that.
00:00:20.560 I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
00:00:23.240 It's going to happen.
00:00:24.500 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
00:00:27.920 Mega Media.
00:00:28.820 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
00:00:34.700 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
00:00:38.460 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
00:00:44.860 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
00:00:53.020 Welcome to the War Room.
00:00:54.480 It's Thursday, May 8th in the year of our Lord, 2025.
00:00:57.880 It may be the fourth hour of War Room programming, but we have an extremely packed show, I guess.
00:01:05.100 No rest for the wicked, no rest for our enemies, I guess, foreign and domestic.
00:01:09.700 We're going to be covering all of that, the enemy within.
00:01:12.880 I guess you're not allowed to say that, but I guess in Trump's America, you can, because it's true.
00:01:18.140 Just like you can say, waste, fraud and abuse, I always say emphasis on abuse, is a real thing of your taxpayer dollars.
00:01:26.360 And frankly, your citizenship status.
00:01:28.660 Call me crazy if you're thinking the idea that the social contract that we have here in this country, your government shouldn't work to, I don't know, replace you, suppress your wages.
00:01:36.100 And, I don't know, leave us less safe at home and abroad with an open border.
00:01:40.860 But luckily, we have President Trump back in office.
00:01:43.580 And through that, a wonderful conduit to expose so much of that aforementioned waste, fraud and abuse, obviously, has been doge.
00:01:52.220 Though we're still waiting on some of those receipts.
00:01:54.320 But I was going to say, I don't know if I'll hold my breath.
00:01:57.340 I'll digress on that point.
00:01:58.580 But I guess the media has been picking up the slack there.
00:02:02.380 Luke Rosiak over at The Daily Wire has been doing some wonderful investigations on a ton of verticals, but particularly on the African Development Foundation, which I think, as your piece is uncovered, is just rife with fraud and corruption.
00:02:15.720 I guess no shock there.
00:02:16.840 Headline being African aid agency used foreign pass-throughs to hide money that went to D.C. staff.
00:02:22.060 And, friends, Luke, if you want to walk us through the piece, get our audience outraged at what their taxpayer dollars have been funding.
00:02:30.120 I'm not sure they'd love to hear it, but they need to hear it.
00:02:33.680 Thanks, Natalie.
00:02:34.480 Thanks for having me.
00:02:35.660 This is basically a USAID-like agency.
00:02:39.060 And I never even heard of it until I saw these pieces in the left-wing media that positioned it as brave resistance heroes for standing up to doge.
00:02:47.940 The Guardian called it the little agency that could because what happened is when Doge went in to audit its books, its staff locked the doors and physically would not let them see the finances of this foreign aid agency.
00:03:03.860 And that went on for a few weeks, and ultimately the U.S. Marshals had to come and forcibly take control of this building, this government agency.
00:03:13.040 Finally, the president of the United States got to control the – it required basically almost military force to seize control of this building.
00:03:19.940 And so people are positioning its resistance as principled, and they had all these reasons why they didn't think Trump should be in control.
00:03:28.300 And I wondered what the real deal was, and it didn't take me long to figure out the place is basically a crime scene.
00:03:35.080 That's why they didn't want Doge coming in.
00:03:37.960 And so I talked to employees there who almost uniformly kind of acknowledged this place was so corrupt.
00:03:45.820 And what they were doing was they were sending money to Africa like they were required by law to do, but then they were forcing the Africans to send the money back to them under the table. 0.74
00:03:57.000 I literally have a receipt of a $17,000 wire going to like a low-level assistant in D.C.
00:04:03.820 They had other people who were being paid by grantees like Africa 24, which is a news outlet in Africa, that were then paying D.C. bureaucrats.
00:04:14.360 So it really does seem like essentially a money laundering scheme that's designed to trick Congress into thinking this is a low-overhead charity that's just sending all its money to Africa without realizing a lot of that money is coming back right here to D.C.
00:04:31.120 It's quite interesting because you hear from MSNBC, right, the idea that, no, no, we support getting rid of waste, fraud, and abuse, too.
00:04:39.520 We just think maybe Doge isn't the proper blunt force instrument to actually be, you know, the batter and ram to go after a lot of this.
00:04:47.100 But then, of course, they never actually cover stories like this.
00:04:50.100 Can you sort of give our audience maybe some of the contours, flesh them out, of who exactly these people are who are working in these agencies?
00:04:57.040 You know, I would take it they're sort of career appointees.
00:04:59.520 They're not political appointees.
00:05:00.800 But are they entrenched Democrats?
00:05:02.760 Is this just sort of the, you know, faceless bureaucracy?
00:05:05.420 Who exactly are these people?
00:05:07.500 Well, they're complete Democrats that then get these supposedly nonpartisan roles. 0.82
00:05:12.660 I mean, one of the guys, Travis Atkins, was in charge of this agency, and he was a Joe Biden appointee to USAID in 2021.
00:05:20.240 And then in 2022, he becomes a nonpartisan president of this agency.
00:05:26.100 And so even during the Trump administration, he was set to continue to be the president until Trump came in and cleaned house.
00:05:34.500 You also have a guy named C.D. Glynn, who was the president for years prior to that.
00:05:40.560 And he was a DEI officer at USAID.
00:05:43.380 And then he became head of this this group, the African Development Foundation.
00:05:49.880 And then you also have basically some bureaucrats who are pretty heavily implicated in serious misconduct, potentially criminal at this agency, who just have really no background at all.
00:06:04.060 In fact, the chief financial officer had declared bankruptcy and had his house foreclosed on.
00:06:09.520 And then they make him the chief financial officer of a government agency.
00:06:12.880 So he can't even manage his own finances, but we're putting him in charge of millions of dollars.
00:06:17.800 And so there are all these cases where it really seemed so sketchy.
00:06:22.620 And in some in one case, I found this chief financial officer, Matthew Zahieu.
00:06:29.040 He was steering money and contracts and grants to a friend of his that was supposedly this African.
00:06:35.580 But really, it was a guy he worked with at the Department of Veterans Affairs, who was himself a contracting officer.
00:06:41.040 So this guy is in charge of giving out contracts and then he creates his own company and it receives the contract from his friend.
00:06:48.140 And they pretend it's an African company or they say it's an African company.
00:06:53.540 But at the same time, this is a guy who's living in the D.C. suburbs, who's working for the federal government and who's receiving actually COVID funds intended to save U.S. jobs at the same time that they're claiming it's an African company receiving charity funds from this U.S. aid outfit.
00:07:11.580 And so there were all these people telling U.S. aid to like this is just one of any number of things that like seem like a basically a criminal enterprise at this U.S. at this foreign aid agency.
00:07:23.280 And it turns out U.S. aid actually, U.S. aid inspector general looked, sees this guy's, the CFO's phone, looked at his bank records and found sure enough he was receiving payments, secret under the table payments like kickbacks from his friend when he steered government funding to him.
00:07:41.260 And so that kind of explains why this African Development Foundation was giving contracts for travel during COVID when nobody was traveling.
00:07:51.740 And so you have basically, you know, about forty five million dollars a year of money going out the door, supposedly to Africa.
00:08:00.700 But it's just a complete financial house of cards.
00:08:04.560 And everybody on the inside will tell you that.
00:08:07.500 And nobody on the left really talked to these employees.
00:08:10.300 And most of them to kind of circle back to your point, I mean, most of them, yeah, of course, they're like Democrat voters who work at these these foreign aid agencies.
00:08:18.880 But they were some of the first to tell me, like, this is a bad idea for the left to make this liberal agency like the face of the resistance against Doge because they know that they're locking the doors actually because they're hiding criminal or, you know, that kind of terrible conduct.
00:08:35.980 It's not because of some principles.
00:08:38.200 And so they're actually worried because they are Democrats.
00:08:41.180 The Democrats are stepping on a rake by, you know, holding up this agency as like this little noble Goliath, noble, noble David, like slaying the Goliath of Elon Musk.
00:08:52.780 But it really is funny because I don't know that Doge even knew about all this stuff that's coming out in this four part series that's running all this week in the Daily Wire.
00:09:03.120 They just kind of had this, which almost makes it worse, right?
00:09:06.280 Because it's almost like you could just throw a rock anywhere in D.C. and hit a hit a federal agency and find this kind of terrible misconduct.
00:09:12.380 Either that or they just have a really good instinct for it, for kind of sensing where something's not right.
00:09:18.820 But this is what Elon Musk has said time and again, is when people resist that basic accountability, like let me see your books, it's usually because they're doing something wrong.
00:09:28.900 And that's actually exactly what we found here.
00:09:31.540 Well, yeah, and I think it makes the apoplexy over that, you know, what was it, 17 fired, IGs, purely performative.
00:09:40.260 These people were not good at their jobs.
00:09:41.660 They were not good at conducting oversight.
00:09:44.040 They're probably, you know, in on the grift.
00:09:45.840 But I'm curious, too, because another, I think, big refrain, strapline that you hear is by shuttering agencies.
00:09:51.240 I'm sure this one would be an absolutely perfect example.
00:09:54.620 You know, you're crippling American soft power abroad.
00:09:57.480 I always say, well, if American soft power was so great, particularly in Africa, then tell me why, what, upwards of 90 percent of the countries there signed on to China's Belt and Road.
00:10:06.020 And essentially every port or infrastructure project there has been seized, either, I guess, now or in the future by Beijing.
00:10:13.160 But this sort of infrastructure is a microcosm for how the United States has advanced this term of soft power abroad.
00:10:20.140 Do you think that this is sort of, again, just another death knell for that idea that agencies like these provide any demonstrable benefit to our standing in the world?
00:10:29.260 Yeah, I mean, a lot of good points there.
00:10:32.360 Your first one, USAID IG, knew about this for years.
00:10:35.700 They found the secret payments to the CFO in January of 2024, and they filed a criminal, like a search warrant application laying it all out last year.
00:10:46.900 He's still not arrested.
00:10:48.140 There was a lot of stuff that the USAID IG knew about this agency, and they didn't do anything.
00:10:53.000 And so there's this idea that the Democrats are now saying, as you alluded to, like, oh, we acknowledge we need certain reforms.
00:10:59.520 We should just go slow.
00:11:00.740 They did not, in fact, go slow when they were in charge.
00:11:03.580 They did not go at all.
00:11:04.800 They didn't do anything.
00:11:06.340 And so now the idea that we should listen to them, I mean, they had basically years to reform this agency, and nobody did anything.
00:11:15.120 And to the point about is this going to harm Africans or harm the U.S.?
00:11:19.580 I mean, basically what I've seen in my reporting is government agencies oftentimes devolve into places that exist to pay the salaries of government employees, and their primary goal is to justify their continuing salary.
00:11:33.840 And so what happened here is they were actually – we think of Africa as being predisposed to corruption, but here you had government employees for America who were pressuring the Africans to be corrupt.
00:11:47.700 And so we would tell them, all these foreign aid agencies on the American side, we tell, like, Africans, don't just, like, give out contracts to your friends.
00:11:55.080 You've got to compete everything.
00:11:56.380 You've got to advertise it publicly and compete.
00:11:58.040 We were actually telling them, look, we're going to give you the contract, but it's on the condition that you give a – we're going to give you a grant, but you have to give a contract to my previous employer or to my friend, or you have to put my employees on your payroll.
00:12:11.260 And so there are employees at this agency who acknowledged it was actually undermining America's role as if we want to be regarded as like a beacon of morals.
00:12:23.560 I mean these were not – they were not doing that.
00:12:25.460 They were out to get money for themselves.
00:12:28.040 You know, another example that's kind of funny is they were pushing a pyramid scheme on poor Africans. 0.99
00:12:36.060 They were – you know, Herbalife, it's like the multi-level marketing scheme that had to pay hundreds of millions of dollars.
00:12:41.940 Hang on.
00:12:42.420 They were pushing Herbalife on Africans?
00:12:46.680 Because their board member, John Aguanabi or something, he was the vice president of this government agency, and he was also CEO of Herbalife.
00:12:55.780 And so they start pushing Herbalife onto Africans. 0.98
00:12:59.420 So we're told if you cut this government agency, you're cruel and heartless and you want poor African orphans to die.
00:13:06.120 But they were in – when they were in charge, they were like, how can we make a buck off of these peasants?
00:13:11.820 How successful was that attempt at a pyramid?
00:13:14.100 That is absurd.
00:13:15.480 You've got to walk the audience through that in detail.
00:13:17.140 How did it roll out?
00:13:20.560 Well, this guy, John Aguanabi, was actually appointed to this African Development Agency, first by, I believe, George W. Bush and then reappointed by Barack Obama.
00:13:29.780 And right after Herbalife had to pay a fine for violating the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act and then also a fine for being a pyramid scheme, they tried to go into Africa and build their brand there.
00:13:47.000 And they said, we're going to give some money to Africans and then we're going to give them free products and we're going to provide a Herbalife employee as a mentor.
00:13:55.920 And so I don't exactly know what happened after that because there was a lot of secrecy around it.
00:14:03.540 But the first thing they did is they pretended that it was a partnership with the Herbalife Foundation, like some sort of 501c3 counterpart.
00:14:11.640 But that's not what it was.
00:14:12.700 It was with a for-profit company.
00:14:15.080 And so they were just trying to build their brand in Africa.
00:14:17.980 And this is a firm that had to pay money because basically it tricks people into thinking you're going to get rich by selling Herbalife and you wind up poor.
00:14:28.940 That truly may be one of the most outlandish stories that I've ever heard on the show.
00:14:33.420 And that is a pretty high or I guess low bar.
00:14:35.820 But to your point, the fact that you can't even, no knock on you, but necessarily answer my question because the information is not readily available to speak to sources and methods as to how you sort of produced this story.
00:14:47.980 If you were able to have access, you know, replicate this agency by agency or at least to some of the, you know, sub-whatever foundations under the USAID umbrella or purview, do you think that, you know, from your perspective, having done a lot of reporting on agencies like this, that you would find similar waste, fraud, and abuse, take your pick of which one it exactly is, how it, you know, gets sorted out, but that you would find this across the board?
00:15:13.220 Yeah, I think this is one of the more over-the-top examples.
00:15:16.320 I think when you look at the tiny little agencies, it gets way worse because there's not like layers of accountability.
00:15:22.560 If you get a couple of corrupt people, there's nobody looking over their shoulders.
00:15:26.460 So honestly, I mean, obviously, I think there's waste, fraud, and abuse, a lot of it in every cabinet department.
00:15:31.660 But one of the things I've done a number of stories of over the years is these little agencies that nobody's ever heard of, they go completely off the rails.
00:15:38.280 And I guess you could say that is government, when left to its own devices, if there's not checks and balances, that's what they're going to do is devolve into things that exist to pay the government employees above all else.
00:15:49.020 But yeah, this is one of the worst.
00:15:50.620 And then you hear about other little agencies.
00:15:52.820 One of them was called the, you know, U.S. Institute of Peace.
00:15:55.300 They had guns in the building, and they also tried to block Doge from coming in.
00:15:59.040 You're burying the lead.
00:16:00.220 It was, what, a full-blown armory.
00:16:04.860 So yeah, the little agencies, I mean, we're not going to balance the budget by cutting off, cutting, cutting, you know, these little agencies.
00:16:11.040 But they are pretty telling about whether, you know, this idea that people are mad about Doge.
00:16:19.440 Elon really is right.
00:16:20.900 I mean, when you, if you're super mad about being audited, you might just be a criminal.
00:16:25.520 And this was all going on for years.
00:16:28.080 It's the left-wing employees who work there who are the first to say, this agency was so bad, and now it's, you know, it's, in their mind, unfortunate that it's being used to, that it makes all the foreign aid industry look bad.
00:16:41.900 But to be honest, nobody did anything about this for years.
00:16:45.460 And there's all this documentation where these, some of these grants were being run by the CFO, which is not appropriate.
00:16:52.820 They have people that are supposed to be figuring out which Africans to give it to. 0.91
00:16:55.940 But the CFO was doing all these sketchy things.
00:16:58.580 They were paying employees through random LLCs to keep the money under $10,000 so they didn't have to report it to Congress.
00:17:06.420 They were literally just having people that worked in the headquarters in D.C.
00:17:11.040 who are just getting paid by random African companies.
00:17:14.160 The whole thing was unbelievably corrupt.
00:17:16.640 And then, meanwhile, the top people, they would abuse the staff, make them cry, oftentimes make them work without pay when they couldn't get the secret LLCs to pay them.
00:17:26.520 So they're basically having slaves. 0.91
00:17:27.980 And so the whole thing is hypocritical. 0.99
00:17:31.500 I mean, the idea that they would be lecturing conservatives that you're callous and cruel and you want Africans to die. 0.94
00:17:38.280 We gave these people $50 million a year to help Africans since 1980, and they didn't really use it.
00:17:45.220 They were using it more on themselves.
00:17:47.060 They were buying first-class travel and $1,000-a-night hotel rooms in violation of federal rules.
00:17:53.560 They let the NBA players choose who taxpayers were going to give money to in Africa so they could hang out with celebrities.
00:18:02.440 And then, ultimately, they used federal money to this guy, C.D. Glynn.
00:18:08.480 He was in charge of this agency, and he would use the money to build his own brand, paying government money to speak at conferences and to serve on prestigious boards and so on.
00:18:17.700 And now he's president of the PepsiCo Foundation.
00:18:20.600 So this is a guy that fell upwards, and now he's managing $70 million, and he's giving out all these DEI grants through Pepsi.
00:18:31.020 Well, Luke, I think you've successfully outraged.
00:18:33.420 I guess I'll speak for myself, me, and probably our audience, too.
00:18:36.780 So naturally, if they want to keep up with the rest of your reporting, you really do great work.
00:18:40.940 Where can they go to follow you and read everything?
00:18:43.760 Check it out on Daily Wire.
00:18:45.860 It's a four-part series.
00:18:47.120 So, yeah, you'll see another one go up on Friday.
00:18:51.900 Thank you so much for joining us, Luke.
00:18:53.960 We'll have you back on.
00:18:54.780 Thank you.
00:18:57.860 Warren Posse, that.
00:18:59.040 And I think our next guest, Brian Kennedy, you're going to have a tough time beating that.
00:19:04.060 A bunch of our tax dollars being used to, I guess, buttress Herbalife pyramid schemes in Africa. 0.74
00:19:10.320 I think every word in that sentence gets crazier.
00:19:13.260 Maybe it just should have gone on in Ukraine, although I don't know at this rate if we audit that, what we're going to find.
00:19:18.380 Still waiting for my comprehensive full-scale audit.
00:19:21.640 Brian Kennedy, I wanted to have you on, though, speaking of other things that we need to audit, and frankly, I would wager deport all of them.
00:19:27.540 That is Chinese international students who are all essentially beholden, if not outright controlled by the Chinese Communist Party per, as you well know, Article 7 of China's national intelligence law.
00:19:39.460 I want to get into this really explosive story about what's been going on at Stanford.
00:19:44.220 It's not just run-of-the-mill, you know, Chinese Students and Scholars Association stuff or Confucius Institutes.
00:19:49.400 It shows you, really, I think, the whole-of-society approach that they have taken, even, you know, so boldly on American college campuses to sort of recruit spies.
00:19:57.980 And I think intellectual property theft is too nice or euphemistic a term, just straight-up stealing military and trade secrets.
00:20:05.220 But walk us through this story.
00:20:08.540 Yeah, thank you, Natalie.
00:20:09.820 Great to be with you.
00:20:10.660 They weren't selling Herbalife in China or Ukraine.
00:20:15.100 If only.
00:20:16.460 Yes, but probably there will be some scheme like that somewhere.
00:20:20.200 But, look, Communist China spends annually in the United States $16 billion on intelligence and influence operations.
00:20:29.120 So they're going all around the country trying to find every piece of intellectual property they can steal, every person they can compromise,
00:20:38.440 and every method in this country by which we have become prosperous.
00:20:43.940 They wish to extract from us our wealth via our intellectual property and the methods that we use to learn and to produce things.
00:20:58.180 One of their targets is the modern university.
00:21:00.560 They chose in this really excellent piece in the Stanford review, Stanford, and going to all the students that are there and making sure that they were going to the most high-tech parts of the university or the parts of the university that were teaching the most important engineering and other scholarly methods of both learning and then building the technologies of the future.
00:21:29.300 And so the story lays out how they interviewed all sorts of students and faculty on campus, and many of those faculty were afraid to talk about it, as were many of the students.
00:21:42.060 But it was clear that there were Chinese operatives on Stanford campus working with Chinese students to learn various methods and various personnel on campus.
00:21:55.860 Now, I would say, Natalie, that Stanford was known as a place that is certainly excellent.
00:22:02.740 It's an excellent university just at the level of rankings nationally.
00:22:09.760 But Stanford has also been a place for over 20 years that has rejected the teaching of Western civilization on campus.
00:22:19.220 Quite famously, conservatives were arguing about this back in the 90s and in the 2000s, that Stanford had taken out from their core curriculum the teaching of Western civilization.
00:22:32.900 That might have been a signal to the communist Chinese that Stanford was a place that they could penetrate and that there would be receptive people on campus to at least friendly relations with communist China.
00:22:47.000 The article talks about some $64 million that the school receives from communist China in various ways, whether it's tuition or direct grants through cutouts that may be influential.
00:23:02.680 And so once a university receives $64 million, they're less likely to want to kick people off of campus.
00:23:08.740 Now, the essay concludes with the idea that America has to be competitive, and it's not going to be competitive if communist China steals all of our secrets. 0.89
00:23:22.360 So something has to be done about it.
00:23:24.280 That's the right attitude.
00:23:25.900 It doesn't say that all the students should be kicked off of campus, the Chinese students, but that's certainly part of it. 1.00
00:23:33.160 I would say when it comes to these Chinese students on American campuses, they contribute roughly, and this is one of the reasons they're still on campus, they contribute today roughly $30 to $40 billion in tuition paid by their families or the Chinese Communist Party or certain Chinese organizations that fund their tuitions.
00:23:57.480 But almost all of these students are children of the Chinese Communist Party, and their parents are members of the Chinese Communist Party.
00:24:08.120 And so it's not like this is some poor student from Shanghai who just gets to come to American universities because of just how good they are.
00:24:15.460 These are part of the elite in communist China, and they're coming here, unfortunately, to not learn, but to – they do learn, of course.
00:24:24.940 But they come to extract from America the knowledge and expertise we have and bring it back to communist China. 0.98
00:24:36.320 And with that comes the fact that they have to report to handlers in their consulates.
00:24:42.720 And so they're basically agents.
00:24:44.900 There's 230,000-some students in America who operate this way.
00:24:50.440 Communist China also has something called their Thousand Talents Program, I should add, where they're really targeting their university professors and people within the American academic community more broadly who they think can be instrumental in providing such knowledge and resources to the Chinese Communist Party.
00:25:12.600 So it's a very corrupt system, but it's also intentional.
00:25:17.020 I mean, you have corruption in Washington that your last guest described.
00:25:21.420 This is very purposeful.
00:25:24.020 This is a plan.
00:25:25.500 And they mean to insert people into the United States to influence events in the United States.
00:25:31.660 And that $16 billion annual budget to influence things is working pretty well.
00:25:38.500 And unfortunately, I think the Trump administration is not moving quickly enough to root this out of our system.
00:25:47.540 But it has to be rooted out.
00:25:49.200 Well, and to that point, Brian, I think it's interesting what was it, the principal deputy assistant attorney general, Pamela Carlin, obviously a paramount impeachment witness, but someone who I think led a lot of the kind of anti-election integrity threats for prosecution was Pamela Carlin, who was a very high-level Stanford law professor.
00:26:08.060 Of course, you have the Hoover Institution there as well, and obviously significant research that I think was sort of overlapping with the, you know, transgenic mice manipulation stuff they had going on at UNC and ultimately at Wuhan.
00:26:19.260 So it's certainly an interesting place.
00:26:20.800 Brian, I've got to have you bounce because we've got another very packed, I guess, second half of the show.
00:26:25.740 But in the meantime, if people want to follow you, stay up to date with everything you've got going on, where can they go to do that?
00:26:31.680 Thanks, Natalie.
00:26:32.360 It's at presentdangerchina.org, and on X, I'm Brian T. Kennedy 1.
00:26:39.660 Thank you, Natalie.
00:26:40.940 A must follow.
00:26:42.760 Brian, thank you so much for joining us.
00:26:44.760 We'll be joined after the break.
00:26:45.680 We've got Bradley Thayer.
00:26:47.200 And interestingly enough, Brian Blaze, for those of you who watched the show yesterday, Laura Loomer was coming after him, so we wanted to give him a chance to respond.
00:26:55.500 I look forward to you guys getting to decide.
00:26:57.280 We'll be right back after this short break.
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00:31:06.100 Here's your host, Stephen K. Vance.
00:31:12.200 Welcome back to The War Room.
00:31:14.860 As you guys probably watched the show yesterday or you've seen the reporting, Laura Loomer, we had her on to talk about what I think is an issue very near and dear to our hearts here in the War Room.
00:31:25.380 That is the Medicaid, kind of Medicare cuts, the ongoing big, beautiful bill, the tussle back and forth.
00:31:30.900 We had Laura on who was, I think, picking up on some kind of left-wing media coverage of essentially a dear colleague letter that had been sent around talking for reforms for Medicaid.
00:31:43.520 Obviously, there's some problems with that program, but I think our audience, maybe they have a little bit of PTSD just making sure that those reforms are not going to touch the people who actually need it.
00:31:54.960 We are, I would say, no amateurs when it comes to waste, fraud, and abuse in D.C., but the CEO of the kind of, or I guess the guy behind the letter, which I believe was added through metadata on the PDF that Congressman Chip Roy had posted, like I said, was in the crosshairs of Laura Loomer, is actually joining us now.
00:32:13.820 We believe our audience should be informed with information to make their own decisions about issues that are obviously as important and, you know, integral to them as health care.
00:32:20.980 So, Brian, Blaze, I'm honored to have you on the show. Thank you for coming on.
00:32:25.860 I guess I'll read a headline just to kind of give maybe those of us who are late to the story.
00:32:30.800 Coke-funded group authored House GOP letter demanding Medicaid cuts.
00:32:34.600 I want to get into that. Like I said, we'll let our audience decide.
00:32:36.960 But if you can just maybe give us a little bit of background exactly who you are, how you kind of ended up in this fight.
00:32:44.560 Sure, and thanks for having me on, Natalie. I appreciate the opportunity to respond.
00:32:48.700 I am president of Paragon Health Institute.
00:32:53.660 I started, I worked in the Trump administration during term one.
00:32:58.040 I started on day one. I was at the National Economic Council, and I led the development of President Trump's health care agenda,
00:33:07.140 really implementing his vision for health reform based on choice and competition and taking on a lot of the waste and corporate welfare that's in federal health programs.
00:33:18.020 So I was there for two and a half years.
00:33:20.900 I worked on a variety of regulations to address problems with Obamacare, to expand options for families and small businesses.
00:33:30.040 I worked on the price transparency rules, which were really groundbreaking Trump efforts to make sure that people knew prices in advance of receiving health care.
00:33:41.120 I left the administration and really defended and supported a lot of what the president was doing and his accomplishments.
00:33:52.180 I founded Paragon Health Institute to build off of those successes.
00:33:58.900 And really, for the last three years, we've been leading the fight criticizing the actions of the Biden administration,
00:34:05.620 which have led to lots of waste, fraud and abuse in these programs that led to enormous inflation in the economy.
00:34:13.300 And then in the fall, I was selected to head the health and human services transition team for President Trump.
00:34:22.840 So I did a lot of work putting together a second term agenda so President Trump could hit the ground running.
00:34:31.140 And there's already actually been quite a few accomplishments that President Trump has had in health care that have come out of that work that I was doing in the administration for the transition.
00:34:41.000 So I think some of the coverage of it, maybe where some of our audience and perhaps it's a mischaracterization, we're always open to hearing both sides.
00:34:49.500 But the idea that it was cutting people who deserve or need to be on Medicaid, which I think is a lot of the MAGA base, I'm sure a lot of our audience.
00:34:58.500 But the idea that this letter was something that was spun up, that you were sort of the architect behind a lot of it.
00:35:05.000 I think the fact, too, that they had linked your organization to taking, you know, Coke money, not necessarily someone that's super hardcore MAGA,
00:35:13.160 given that what right now they're busy, you know, suing President Trump over his slew of tariffs.
00:35:17.880 So how would you sort of pitch that letter?
00:35:21.760 How can you ensure to our audience who may be a little skeptical when they hear, you know, cuts and Medicaid,
00:35:27.380 that the cuts that you're pursuing or advocating for are not going to infringe upon people who desperately need those services with the political corollary and ramifications,
00:35:37.620 you know, as we approach midterms, that just be a woefully unpopular issue.
00:35:41.360 Yeah, so thanks for that question.
00:35:44.800 You know, President Trump was elected to represent the forgotten man and to take on the swamp in D.C.
00:35:54.660 And nowhere is the swamp more powerful than in our health care industrial complex.
00:36:01.140 So there is waste, fraud and abuse throughout these government health programs and particularly in Medicaid.
00:36:07.660 The Medicaid program has been abused by a lot of left wing states.
00:36:13.860 You know, last month we did an article that highlighted how California was enabled to develop this scam that was approved by the Biden administration.
00:36:23.780 That resulted in $10 billion going to the state that the state then used to expand Medicaid coverage for illegal immigrants.
00:36:32.900 That has happened in other states as well.
00:36:35.320 Like we're targeting a lot of the waste, fraud, abuse and really bad incentives that is hurting the average American
00:36:43.040 and rewarding a lot of these crony interests of big insurers, big hospital systems have made a lot of money off of Medicaid.
00:36:52.100 You know, the letter that you're talking about, what Paragon does is we provide, so I provided principles for reform to a wide array of Republicans in Congress.
00:37:06.440 You know, mostly stuff with all stuff that we do publicly as well.
00:37:10.140 We put out tons of information about problems in the program and how the program is not working for those who it was intended for, you know, the truly vulnerable and really is being taken advantage of by these corporate interests.
00:37:26.120 So they adopted some of the principles in that letter that they then sent to the House Republican leadership.
00:37:33.100 I would say with respect to Paragon's funding, you know, we're funded by a broad range of foundations and individuals, but Paragon accepts no corporate money.
00:37:45.520 We really think it's important to produce unbiased policy research that informs the debate
00:37:52.700 and it helps really implement what the president's vision is to weed out all of this waste, fraud, abuse and corporate welfare throughout these programs.
00:38:04.840 I think this is a really important conversation to have.
00:38:07.520 Obviously, there's going to be, you know, ongoing back and forth between the probably more MAGA populists, right?
00:38:12.140 That is maybe the home of the war room and some of the more traditionally fiscal conservatives.
00:38:16.740 And I'm just curious, too, on like the financing of your organization.
00:38:20.600 I think there was probably a jump scare to seeing, you know, Coke or whatever the entity I know rebranded since they gave what was about $2 million in 2021.
00:38:30.880 But I know Laura Loomer had also brought up one of your old tweets, which I'll just read for the audience in March of 2016.
00:38:36.380 This is why we can't have Trump entitlement reform is the most important issue, especially for fiscal conservatives.
00:38:43.500 So I think maybe just help our audience sort of square, you know, as you could imagine,
00:38:47.160 I think there's a lot of, you know, PTSD from sort of Trump, one of people who didn't necessarily back him ending up in, you know, supreme or superior positions of power and not necessarily implementing his agenda.
00:38:58.440 So, you know, I know you probably don't want to disclose your donors, but, you know, if we want to believe you that you're out here advocating, you know, for the forgotten man, like you said, President Trump does.
00:39:09.600 Can you shed some more maybe perhaps, you know, insider sunlight on who exactly is is funding your outfit?
00:39:16.160 You know, whose interests you represent and how maybe you've you've reformed or maybe just explain that tweet.
00:39:22.720 Sure. So, I mean, that tweet was almost 10 years ago and obviously a lot has changed since then.
00:39:30.560 And I've learned a lot since then. And I like I said, I was proud to enter the White House on day one of President Trump's first term and serve him to the best of my ability and serve the country to the best of my ability for two and a half years.
00:39:45.940 You know, I got to take my children into the Oval Office before I left and have a very special moment with the president.
00:39:52.540 Like, I think the president did enormous good in his first term to promote positive health policy.
00:39:59.240 And I probably wrote more about than anybody in the country about the positive impact that President Trump had with his health policy agenda to help people that have been harmed by government policies and to take on corporate interests.
00:40:14.000 And I've continued that work, again, focusing on the problems with the Biden administration, criticizing their wasteful spending and the corporate interests that so controlled the Biden administration and led to rampant inflation.
00:40:30.680 And then working, being selected to lead the health and human services policy transition team and devoting enormous time to trying to help the president hit the ground running with a winning agenda in in the second term.
00:40:46.420 And one of the things that we worked on in that transition was what we could do with all of the fraud that is in Obamacare and is really benefiting a lot of insurance companies because they're getting enrollees who aren't eligible for the program.
00:41:02.280 And the administration proposed a month and a half ago to address this problem.
00:41:10.200 And I have been the most vocal person in the public sphere promoting what the Trump administration has done there.
00:41:20.460 So I think, you know, my record of working for the president, supporting the policy agenda of advancing American health care freedom and taking on corporate interests.
00:41:32.720 I mean, I think it speaks for itself.
00:41:34.340 I've done it for my entire 15 year career and most of it working for the president or working on the outside to advance a lot of those policies.
00:41:44.080 And feel feel free to push back if you disagree.
00:41:48.280 But I'm just curious. This letter, I think, has now been spun up.
00:41:51.680 Obviously, Politico covered it, a bunch of left wing media outlets talking about how, you know, it shows that President Trump is trying to come for Medicaid for these cuts.
00:42:01.040 And again, perhaps that's media spin. But retrospectively, do you still stand by the letter?
00:42:06.960 Do you wish it would have gone over differently? Or and if you do, can you say now, can you confirm for all that?
00:42:12.820 I'm sure, you know, loomers, politicos take your pick on the media spectrum listening.
00:42:17.920 That for the people who need it, for the MAGA people, the people who helped get President Trump elected, that if they need Medicaid, if they're on Medicaid, that that is not going to be stripped from them.
00:42:27.140 Yeah. So let me say Medicaid is an important safety net program.
00:42:31.760 We want to improve it for those who really need it.
00:42:35.620 And the policies that I'm advocating for would be directing resources to the individuals that really need Medicaid and away from the corporate interests, getting rid of this scam that allowed California to get $10 billion of federal taxpayer money to expand Medicaid to illegal immigrants.
00:43:00.380 And I think there are no like this is not about cutting the Medicaid program.
00:43:05.580 This is about creating a more sustainable Medicaid program and dealing with Biden's massive spending increases in Medicaid because of Biden.
00:43:15.840 Medicaid is projected to be more than a trillion dollars more expensive over the next decade.
00:43:21.680 They kept people on the program much longer than they were eligible, and they enabled a lot of these corporate welfare scams that have made health insurers and big hospital systems rich but haven't helped Americans.
00:43:34.920 Right. American life expectancy hasn't increased with all of this spending and corporate welfare that we've had from a massive expansion of the Medicaid program.
00:43:44.820 I want Medicaid to work much better for those who need it.
00:43:49.060 It's not cuts.
00:43:50.280 In terms of looking at the policies under consideration, the best description is this is slowing an unsustainable rate of growth.
00:44:00.200 It is taking the rate of growth from 5% a year to 3% a year if you're able to enact these reforms.
00:44:06.980 And I think we do need to have important reforms that take away the slush funds that have gone to left-wing states like California and New York for them to put so many people on the Medicaid program, including people who came into this country illegally. 1.00
00:44:24.080 Brian, I really appreciate you coming on.
00:44:28.540 We always like when we can share both sides of an issue here in the War Room, despite all the criticism that we get for being a deranged platform for the craziest of the crazy MAGA voices.
00:44:40.100 Brian, we really appreciate you coming on.
00:44:41.540 If our audience, I'm sure, I don't know how familiar you are with the War Imposse, but I'm sure they probably still have some questions for you.
00:44:46.680 I'd love to get in contact with you or at least follow you.
00:44:49.040 Where can they go to do that?
00:44:50.340 Do you have an email, a website?
00:44:51.520 Are you on social media?
00:44:52.860 I assume Twitter, but anywhere else?
00:44:55.320 I would love that, Natalie, and thank you for that opportunity.
00:44:58.760 They can go to paragoninstitute.org.
00:45:01.300 They can check out our research, and you can see how many of the policies and how many of the weekly newsletters that I put out have been supportive of President Trump's health policy agenda and critical of the policy agenda of President Obama and President Biden.
00:45:18.880 Brian, thank you so much for joining us.
00:45:21.520 Thank you.
00:45:23.640 Have a good one.
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00:45:27.900 Take that.
00:45:28.520 What is it?
00:45:28.940 Probably Daily Mail, New York Times, CNN.
00:45:30.980 That's just one week of attacks on myself and this show.
00:45:33.840 But I digress.
00:45:35.920 We got about five minutes left that I want to, well, I guess before we get to Bradley Fair, we've had a very packed show all day today.
00:45:42.140 You've got to make sure you're checking out birchgold.com slash Bannon or texting Bannon to 989898, as you can tell with any issue, health care.
00:45:49.840 I don't know.
00:45:50.200 Well, I guess we're going to get into the CCP right now.
00:45:52.320 The elites that we have in charge running this thing, I don't know how up to the task they are.
00:45:56.660 Luckily, we have President Trump, but you know there's a deep state that vastly outnumbers him.
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00:46:03.720 We are joined now by Bradley Thayer.
00:46:07.100 Dr. Thayer, I'm just reading the news where it was this morning, and it seems like one of the Pakistani jets that was used to down an Indian aircraft was Chinese made.
00:46:17.940 I know they seized an island out in the South China Sea.
00:46:20.600 I think it was Sandy K or the Philippines or Philippine Island, Sandy K not too long ago.
00:46:26.180 It seems like they're escalating a lot of their conflict as President Trump's trade war, though I hate that term because they started it, not us.
00:46:33.220 That's victim blaming, heats up.
00:46:34.920 I'd love to sort of get your just general meta-analysis of where you think we stand with the CCP right now.
00:46:42.640 Well, thanks, Natalie.
00:46:43.580 It's wonderful to join you again.
00:46:44.920 And the points I would make are three.
00:46:48.700 First, that President Trump is doing exactly what it needs to do with respect to the Chinese Communist Party,
00:46:55.720 which is putting great pressure on them through the tariffs and that element,
00:47:02.400 but also, Natalie, you'll remember back in February when there was the memorandum,
00:47:07.520 the key points of the memorandum were released with respect to measures that the Trump administration was taking,
00:47:14.360 with respect to purchasing farmland, for example, in the United States,
00:47:19.220 with respect to minimizing or taking elements to pressure New York firms, right,
00:47:26.740 not to invest in the People's Republic of China.
00:47:32.400 So President Trump is doing exactly what he needs to do on the economic front.
00:47:37.680 He's successfully waging economic war against the Chinese Communist Party.
00:47:41.780 The second point is the CCP are supremely vulnerable at this time.
00:47:45.620 This is one of their key points of history, like 1989 and a few other points in their history,
00:47:54.380 where pressure brought by the United States and other states against them
00:47:58.940 can have a very significant impact on the Chinese Communist Party.
00:48:04.460 So that's very important to keep in mind.
00:48:07.260 They're very vulnerable.
00:48:08.980 And Trump certainly understands that vulnerability.
00:48:12.360 The third point I would make is that they're a hyper-aggressive state.
00:48:17.160 The Chinese Communist Party, in part driven by ideology,
00:48:20.780 the ideology of communism, of course, is hyper-aggressive at all times and at all places.
00:48:26.780 And the CCP is no exception to that iron law, really, of the ideology of communism.
00:48:33.540 So the support for Pakistan, which is for many, many years, of course,
00:48:38.080 for decades, China has backed Pakistan against India.
00:48:45.060 As you mentioned, the South China Sea, where you have overt aggression.
00:48:50.700 The CCP sees the South China Sea as their property.
00:48:54.400 They own it.
00:48:55.720 And they are aggressing against the U.S. ally, the Republic of the Philippines,
00:48:59.820 and other states as well.
00:49:02.640 To that, I'd add Taiwan, right? 0.59
00:49:04.520 The consistent pressure against Taiwan that we've seen through their military exercises,
00:49:11.500 through statements that Xi Jinping has made and Chinese Foreign Ministry has made about
00:49:16.880 the inevitability, really, of the conquest of Taiwan is quite alarming.
00:49:24.660 Additionally, that aggression is evinced through political warfare.
00:49:28.620 Natalie, you know that extremely well, of course, in the United States, in the West.
00:49:33.240 But we're also watching very closely South Korea and how Chinese Communist Party influence
00:49:39.800 is affecting the election, the run-up to June 3rd, when the South Koreans will have,
00:49:45.220 of course, a very important election.
00:49:47.860 So for the CCP, it's aggression all of the time.
00:49:51.860 And the Trump administration certainly recognizes that, recognizes their vulnerability.
00:49:58.440 And Trump is doing what he can do, of course, on the economic front, to continue to pressure
00:50:04.360 them and to keep that pressure on them.
00:50:07.460 So all of those are points to keep in mind, of course.
00:50:11.620 We should expect this hyper-aggressive state, of course, to do precisely that, right?
00:50:16.840 They're aggressing, and they have, of course, for so many years on the economic front,
00:50:21.600 on the political warfare front, and we should be very worried about, really, that turning
00:50:27.960 into kinetic confrontation in Taiwan or elsewhere.
00:50:33.700 Or, of course, there's always the possibility that the Indo-Pakistan conflict escalates and
00:50:40.020 that China comes into the side of Pakistan on that.
00:50:44.440 Heaven forbid, of course, we don't want that outcome to occur.
00:50:48.040 So there's never a dull moment, of course, when you're dealing with the CCP, as you well
00:50:52.620 know.
00:50:55.120 Dr. Thayer, I wish we had more time.
00:50:56.920 There's nothing that I love talking about more than the Chinese Communist Party and their
00:51:01.100 political warfare operations.
00:51:02.900 But until I can have you back on, in the meantime, if people want to follow you, stay up to date
00:51:06.680 with your writing.
00:51:07.700 You're on Getter.
00:51:08.360 You're big on Getter, because I remember I made you get a profile picture.
00:51:11.320 Where can people go to do that?
00:51:13.960 Bradley Thayer, Getter, Bradley Thayer Truth, and Brad Thayer at X.
00:51:16.700 Thanks, Natalie.
00:51:17.240 Thanks very much.
00:51:18.180 And you did.
00:51:19.080 So thank you, Dr. Thayer.
00:51:21.600 As they always say, right, we only needed a strong president to fix the border.
00:51:25.420 Well, I would add we only needed a strong and maybe uncaptured, like, I don't know, Hunter
00:51:29.540 Biden, maybe, for example.
00:51:31.900 That's your son.
00:51:32.860 You're probably not going to be able to talk very tough to the Chinese Communist Party,
00:51:35.860 right?
00:51:36.360 Joe Biden is, as I believe I told CNN, essentially dead, as he may have been if he even wanted to
00:51:42.400 tariff the Chinese Communist Party, even if he got a strain of populism, take over his,
00:51:48.280 you know, basically corpse.
00:51:50.140 He couldn't have even wanted to tariff them if he wanted to.
00:51:53.840 He's so compromised.
00:51:55.340 It's nice to have a president who can actually put America first because they're not beholden
00:52:00.160 to other foreign interests or the enemy within.
00:52:03.560 Have a good one.
00:52:04.440 I will probably see you tomorrow until then.
00:52:07.840 Health isn't just a personal issue.
00:52:09.840 It's a family issue, a community issue.
00:52:12.160 We're living in unpredictable times.
00:52:14.260 Supply chains can break down.
00:52:15.540 Hospitals can get overwhelmed.
00:52:16.940 And let's not even start on the natural disasters.
00:52:20.180 These aren't hypotheticals.
00:52:21.380 They're happening.
00:52:22.020 You see it here in the war room and we all know it.
00:52:24.740 The question is simply, are you ready?
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00:53:13.660 Hey, war room.
00:53:16.440 Hope you're all doing well.
00:53:17.540 My name is Trevor Comstock.
00:53:18.940 I'm one of the co-creators of Sacred Human.
00:53:21.060 And I wanted to share just a little bit more about our brand for those who may not know
00:53:24.220 of us yet.
00:53:25.420 But about six months ago, we decided to launch Sacred Human with really the simple mission
00:53:30.160 being to provide American-made natural supplements without all the artificial nonsense.
00:53:35.700 So, unfortunately, as many of you know, a lot of these big corporate supplements will
00:53:40.840 include things like preservatives, artificial ingredients, and other additives that really
00:53:45.520 aren't benefiting your health.
00:53:47.120 So, that's why we created Sacred Human, really trying to fill this gap of quality supplements.
00:53:52.340 And, of course, the beef liver being our flagship product.
00:53:55.540 For those who don't know, beef liver is loaded with highly bioavailable ingredients such as
00:54:00.520 vitamin A, B12, zinc, CoQ10, etc.
00:54:05.080 And because it is 100% grass-fed and natural, your body is able to absorb these nutrients
00:54:10.980 far better than taking any other synthetic multivitamin or any other synthetic vitamin in
00:54:16.680 general.
00:54:17.620 So, we have some other amazing products, but if you'd like to check us out, you can go
00:54:21.180 to sacredhumanhealth.com and cheers to your health.