Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 770： Rise Of The New Pandemic

00:00:00.000 He knew exactly what that meant. A child knows what that meant. If you're the FBI director and

00:00:06.340 you don't know what that meant, that meant assassination. And it says it loud and clear.

00:00:14.020 Now, he wasn't very competent, but he was competent enough to know what that meant. And

00:00:20.240 he did it for a reason. And he was hit so hard because people like me and they like what's

00:00:26.840 happening with our country. Our country has become respected again and all this. And he's

00:00:31.640 calling for the assassination of the president. Obviously, he apologized and said he wasn't

00:00:35.880 calling for violence. But look, he's a very bad. What do you want to see happen? What do you want 0.59

00:00:39.760 to see happen? I don't want to take a position on it because that's going to be up to Pam and all of 0.94

00:00:44.860 the great people. But I will say this. I think it's a terrible thing. And when you add his history to

00:00:50.460 that, if he had a clean history, he doesn't. He's a dirty cop. He's a dirty cop. 0.99

00:00:56.840 And if he had a clean history, I could understand if there was a leniency. But I'm going to let 0.99

00:01:04.500 them make that decision. This whole thing just makes me livid. It's appalling and outrageous

00:01:09.140 and demonstrates why Tulsi Gabbard never should have been confirmed as director of national

00:01:13.540 intelligence. Michael Collins and Marie Langen-Reikhoff are two of the most experienced,

00:01:19.940 accomplished and talented analysts in the entire U.S. intelligence community.

00:01:24.340 with over 60 years of combined experience. They have worked for successive administrations

00:01:30.440 since the 1990s. They have demonstrated time and time again their capabilities, their competence,

00:01:37.100 their integrity. And they have served as role models for a generation of intelligence officers

00:01:42.400 inside of CIA. They're CIA officers by background and by training. And this is going to have real

00:01:48.580 reverberations within the workforce because, as Congressman Hines pointed out, it's clearly

00:01:53.640 a signal to tell analysts throughout the intelligence community, you tell the truth, you provide objective

00:01:58.960 analysis as you're supposed to be doing, you are running the risk of getting fired. And Michael

00:02:04.920 and Maria are really the quintessential analysts that you want to have providing insight and information

00:02:11.780 analysis to policymakers. So they make the right decisions for U.S. policymakers. But this is a very

00:02:18.920 tangible example of such dangerous and insidious corruption within the Trump administration.

00:02:24.460 campaign says that a leader of the Obama administration is. And the administration has

00:02:37.920 been done for these actions inowals are not everything, in the новых republic for its

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00:02:41.460 You don't be the only official part of the Capitol part of the Trump administration, that they

00:02:48.720 are not what they need for. Only of them were becoming one of few people, in our nation in

00:02:49.460 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:03:11.400 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.

00:03:15.440 I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.

00:03:21.080 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:03:23.060 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:03:24.480 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.

00:03:27.120 It's going to happen.

00:03:28.380 And where do people like that go to share the big line?

00:03:31.780 Mega Media.

00:03:33.180 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:03:38.540 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:03:41.680 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:03:48.720 War Room.

00:03:49.500 Here's your host, Stephen K.

00:03:51.600 Welcome to the War Room.

00:03:58.220 It's Friday, May 16th in the year of our Lord, 2025.

00:04:03.500 The fourth hour of War Room programming.

00:04:06.520 Don't go anywhere.

00:04:07.720 It's Natalie Winters holding the fort down.

00:04:09.640 We've got a packed show.

00:04:11.140 We're going to get into all things.

00:04:12.740 I'm going to stray a little bit from some of the budget talk.

00:04:15.800 There's some, shall we say, international affairs that I want to get into.

00:04:21.020 We've got to do a deep dive on who Anthony Fauci's replacement is.

00:04:26.000 It's not looking too good.

00:04:28.200 His, I guess, acting deputy director or director of the NIAID.

00:04:32.560 But before we get into all of that, you saw that cold open that I pieced together, all those, you know, brilliant experts that clappers so apoplectic about being fired by Tulsi Gabbard.

00:04:44.820 That's the telltale sign that those people should have been fired years ago.

00:04:48.340 All those so-called experts, I guess, are so smart.

00:04:50.940 They don't even know what, what, 86 stands for.

00:04:54.380 Yes, I'm looking at you, James Comey.

00:04:57.640 But I want to be very clear about one thing.

00:04:59.580 It's nice to see all the calls for him to be, what, in prison investigated.

00:05:03.700 I know it seems like every agency is doing their rounds.

00:05:07.480 The department heads are all on Fox calling for very elaborate investigations into this man.

00:05:13.800 Comey should be in prison, sure, but not for social media posts, for Russia collusion, and for working overtime, certainly the first four years of President Trump's administration,

00:05:25.160 conspiring against him, against his rights, against the MAGA movement.

00:05:28.920 And I'm sure he's only carried those activities since he's been out of office.

00:05:34.880 I guess you could just reuse the memes and the slogans.

00:05:38.200 What was it?

00:05:38.660 Arrest Comey, fire Comey, all the way back since 2017.

00:05:42.180 I guess history always repeats itself.

00:05:44.820 We should just keep reposting those.

00:05:46.840 But really, I think the buck stops to me.

00:05:49.420 I put the blame primarily on House Republicans and on weak Republicans who have allowed and emboldened, if not outright entitled, people like Comey to feel powerful and untouchable enough

00:06:03.140 where they can actually post pictures on Instagram calling for the assassination of President Trump.

00:06:11.220 Full stop.

00:06:11.900 I mean, you almost can't even blame him.

00:06:16.860 Nothing happened to him after he, I don't know, smeared an entire political candidacy, movement, man, family, you name it, as agents of Russia. 0.55

00:06:25.260 And if you look at the other attempted or would-be Trump assassins, the ones that actually were able to fire shots or otherwise, have we really gotten any information about House Republicans on that?

00:06:36.940 Have they done anything meaningful?

00:06:39.600 I saw all the nice tweets.

00:06:41.660 I know I was told by what the House GOP Twitter account that Americans need to get off the sidelines, whatever that means.

00:06:48.640 Sidelines is an interesting choice of words.

00:06:51.160 It's like we're in a game.

00:06:51.960 The only people who have a game and performative mindset are people like you, weak House Republicans.

00:06:56.780 We're not even getting into the big, beautiful, maybe the ugly and gargantuan spending bill.

00:07:03.380 But they have created a culture where people like Comey think that they can get away with posting stuff like that, because you know why?

00:07:10.740 The little secret is that they do, and he probably will.

00:07:15.220 And it's actually a whole fledged out family affair.

00:07:18.340 I think you got the daughter.

00:07:19.660 She's still posted up at DOJ.

00:07:21.500 She somehow ran, I think, the Ghislaine Maxwell prosecution.

00:07:26.080 Huh.

00:07:26.420 I guess no names were released in that.

00:07:28.360 She also seemed to lose a star ditty witness.

00:07:30.960 And then I guess his son-in-law, too, was somehow involved, also at DOJ, with the investigation into what happened at Abbey Gate, another successful victory for Joe Biden.

00:07:42.780 And I'm not even being, shall we say, post-ironic in my humor when I call it a victory, because as far as I'm concerned for these people, it was a victory.

00:07:51.160 They hate this country.

00:07:52.080 They hate American lives. 1.00

00:07:53.480 They'll call for the president to be assassinated. 0.88

00:07:55.380 Do you think they want – they give a damn about American men and women, about American soldiers in Afghanistan?

00:08:01.300 I understand no.

00:08:03.260 Hillary Clinton couldn't have been bothered to do anything about Benghazi.

00:08:06.760 It's the chromosome of not caring and leaving Americans behind, right? 0.76

00:08:11.880 And these people are so tough.

00:08:13.020 James Comey is so tough.

00:08:15.960 He can post about wanting to assassinate President Trump.

00:08:18.520 And in the second, there's a little bit of pushback.

00:08:20.280 Oh, I'm so sorry.

00:08:22.300 I didn't know. 0.99

00:08:23.040 I'm such an idiot. 0.99

00:08:24.700 Yeah, imagine if he was actually met with meaningful congressional oversight or congressional probes or DOJ inquiries or criminal charges. 1.00

00:08:32.060 You think he'd fold pretty quickly?

00:08:33.740 I think so.

00:08:36.360 Right?

00:08:36.760 We love the rule of law so much here in the war room.

00:08:39.360 I've been told by what all my bettors on MSNBC that I'm an autocratic enabler, a state regime propagandist.

00:08:46.840 Take your pick.

00:08:47.620 Well, how about this?

00:08:48.200 I love the rule of law so much I can count.

00:08:50.580 I don't even know how many people that I know personally who were thrown in prison for posting memes attacking Hillary Clinton or Obama or Biden or let's not even get into the Jan Sixers or Stephen K. Bannon.

00:09:01.480 So I love the rule of law so much that I think Comey should be similarly investigated, maybe even perp walked in what the leg irons and the handcuffs in public like Peter Navarro was.

00:09:13.880 Right?

00:09:14.420 It's not retribution.

00:09:16.080 I guess we'll take another word.

00:09:17.740 It's reciprocity.

00:09:20.300 It's also justice.

00:09:21.680 And it's also accountability.

00:09:25.260 Right?

00:09:25.780 If you ever had doubts about whether or not the FBI was actually being weaponized against the American people, which obviously this audience is always ahead of the curve.

00:09:33.520 And there were no doubts there.

00:09:35.200 I think at the point in which James Comey is posting pictures outright calling for the assassination of President Trump, I think, I don't know, call me crazy.

00:09:43.920 I think we can probably rest, rest the case.

00:09:47.540 Right?

00:09:47.900 But there's so many layers of irony and, frankly, outrage to this.

00:09:52.040 Right? 1.00

00:09:52.180 It's not just, oh, gotcha moment, dumb, political Biden, Obama hack post stupid picture. 1.00

00:09:58.320 Because just think about it. 1.00

00:09:59.580 I'm sure you guys, I know I've been.

00:10:01.920 Right?

00:10:02.920 Let's invert the tables for a second.

00:10:04.920 Say it had been someone like me or you posting that against Joe Biden.

00:10:10.040 We would have been censored in, what, probably two minutes.

00:10:13.000 I'm excluding all the lawfare stuff that would have happened.

00:10:15.500 But the social media companies would have probably pulled your account.

00:10:18.360 Right?

00:10:18.420 President Trump's Twitter was actually suspended for calling people to protest peacefully and patriotically.

00:10:24.520 His accounts got nuked.

00:10:25.900 And the Facebook, I don't think he was ever on Instagram, but still owned by Meta, so same thing.

00:10:32.400 But Comey gets away with it.

00:10:35.100 And Republicans are actually happy.

00:10:36.860 Oh, Mark Zuckerberg is on our side now because he wrote a crappy 1.5-page double space.

00:10:41.980 So when you really narrow it down, it's probably more like a one-page letter saying,

00:10:45.200 yeah, sorry, I stole the election. 0.97

00:10:49.140 These people are weak.

00:10:53.280 And just like we always say in the war room that victory begets victory and that courage is contagious. 0.83

00:10:57.560 Well, weakness begets people like Comey posting assassination attempts or would-be assassination attempts on President Trump

00:11:04.540 and more people like Ryan Routh and Thomas Matthew Crooks.

00:11:08.720 And that's all by design.

00:11:10.460 Just remember, the only reason those tech platforms are now even pretending to be MAGA has nothing to do with their ideological shifts.

00:11:21.880 It has to do with you guys, the audience.

00:11:23.900 Believe me, that they do not love, but they fear.

00:11:26.140 And I'll take that as a badge of honor, but I wish House Republicans, instead of talking so tough on the campaign trail

00:11:33.500 and cutting all these really cool campaign ads about how much they care about retribution and going after weaponization,

00:11:40.420 where the heck is the weaponization committee on this in a meaningful way?

00:11:44.980 I'm so glad you wrote your nice long book, Comer.

00:11:49.640 Maybe you're going to have to write a sequel.

00:11:51.520 It's my humble, humble suggestion for these week.

00:11:58.860 I was watching some old clips, I believe we used to call the CRs, that they would stand for Cuck Republicans, and I stand by that. 0.99

00:12:07.140 We are going to be joined now.

00:12:09.100 We're going to pivot a little bit to what's going on overseas, the Middle East trip that continues to rip and roar. 1.00

00:12:16.340 We are joined now by Kurt Mills.

00:12:18.760 Kurt, I'd love to just sort of get your overall assessment of what has been going on overseas.

00:12:25.800 Yeah, I believe this is perhaps, and I don't say this with any lightness,

00:12:33.400 this is perhaps the most consequential week thus far in either Trump presidency.

00:12:38.720 Trump, after winning re-election and sort of gesturing towards this direction,

00:12:45.920 went full froth, basically for the start of this month.

00:12:50.120 May 1, saw the reassignment, or firing, whatever you want to call it, of National Security Advisor Mike Waltz.

00:12:56.280 And from there, we've had a clear move.

00:12:59.220 The recognition of Ahmed al-Shara in Syria and the revocation of the sanctions.

00:13:05.460 The clear desire to at least pull support for U.S. support for the excesses of the Israeli war in Gaza.

00:13:13.660 And setting the table for a major deal, a Trump deal with Iran.

00:13:19.580 This has happened at warp speed.

00:13:21.880 I think almost no one can keep up with what the president is doing.

00:13:24.860 And, you know, even, you know, the sort of liberal foreign policy clarity is commending the shock results that we're seeing here.

00:13:34.620 I mean, I would flag a story that occurred overnight in Axios, where they interviewed a number of Biden Mideast officials.

00:13:42.900 And, you know, a lot of people went on record, Ben Rhodes, who worked for Obama, others, figures sort of commending just the sheer breadth and boldness and swiftness of the results that occurred here.

00:13:57.900 I'm just curious, why do you think they were able to pull this off?

00:14:02.860 Is this something that it's the ideology, right?

00:14:06.960 They love the idea of sort of rebuking the neocons, like he kind of infamously said on the stage.

00:14:11.960 Or is this sort of a person and I'm sure it's not mutually exclusive, but is there also sort of a personality element?

00:14:17.680 I mean, I think Steve's been saying on warm time and time again, you know, he's being treated like royalty right there.

00:14:22.920 The displays, the pomp and circumstance is something that Biden certainly didn't get.

00:14:26.900 I don't think many other American presidents received that.

00:14:29.080 But your thoughts on what sort of the motivating factors are that have created or engendered such a historic week?

00:14:37.760 Well, I think personality does matter for this president.

00:14:40.260 It can't be underrated.

00:14:41.420 I mean, it seems like he definitely gets on with the crown prince of Saudi Arabia, Mohammed bin Zayed.

00:14:46.320 He also seems to have a very strong relationship with Mohammed bin Zayed.

00:14:50.880 Sorry, Mohammed bin Salman of Saudi Arabia.

00:14:53.240 Sorry, Salman, Saudi, Zayed, UAE.

00:14:55.720 And then also he seems to get on well with the Emir of Qatar.

00:14:59.740 And so, you know, I think that's certainly an element.

00:15:02.140 But the reality is the reality that Trump inherited when he won re-election in 2024, which is that he's inherited two enormous wars from the previous administration, one in Russia, Ukraine, and one in the broader Middle East.

00:15:15.680 And he really has the choice.

00:15:17.700 I mean, it's very, very, very close to a binary.

00:15:20.240 You either escalate in these wars that he didn't start, so, you know, throw more fire on a fire that you condemned in the campaign, or you seek to end them.

00:15:30.040 And it seems, you know, that he kind of went back and forth.

00:15:33.220 His advisors have tried to push him in different directions, particularly sort of neoconservative elements like Mr. Waltz.

00:15:38.720 But I think he clearly has the team he has now.

00:15:42.500 He has the team that he chose.

00:15:44.280 And, you know, in his first foreign trip abroad, like lightning, he has made a series of decisions that have shook the world.

00:15:51.740 So walk us through the Israel element to it.

00:15:56.200 It's interesting.

00:15:56.880 I think he's made comments about Gaza talking about the just human catastrophe and just utter abject sadness that is going on there that are sort of not atypical, but just something I don't think that you typically hear, right?

00:16:12.260 Sort of the, you know, third rail, I think, in American politics to some extent.

00:16:15.900 But also that it was coming out that they weren't necessarily back-channeling with the Israelis when it came to lifting a lot of the serious sanctions or just the developments there.

00:16:26.860 Can you sort of speak to that dynamic?

00:16:29.640 No, I mean, it's astonishing.

00:16:31.320 I mean, another person I would flag, Aaron David Miller, the longtime State Department negotiator, you know, considered very well-informed and close to the Israelis,

00:16:39.740 has argued that almost no, maybe no administration in American history has operated this independently of Israel.

00:16:48.560 You know, of course, Israel founded in the late 40s.

00:16:50.860 There's an argument that parts of the Bush administration, the H.W. Bush administration in the 90s did, but that was kind of a one-off around Jim Baker and the president.

00:16:59.000 This is a clear desire to say, hey, this is, number one, what we think is good for America.

00:17:05.380 But number two, and I think it was very striking, you know, when he was asked about why he lifted the sanctions on Shiraz, Syria,

00:17:14.020 he said, the president said it was, quote, the right thing to do.

00:17:18.060 And, you know, this is the kind of language that he's using a little bit more, I would say, since the assassination attempt,

00:17:24.020 since the campaign, you know, entering his ninth decade of life soon enough, he's really trying to leave a mark.

00:17:30.920 And I think there is, you know, I think a lot of times, you know, the critiques of Trump is that he's very cynical, he's very nihilistic, he's very materialist.

00:17:39.040 This is not the actions of a president who, you know, simply wants to cash out and coast after having survived all these things.

00:17:46.360 This is the mark of a president who wants to be epoch-defining and redefinitional.

00:17:52.660 And I think you see it.

00:17:54.820 I mean, this is not a mail-in move.

00:17:57.440 This is the most exciting, potentially risk-taking, but also legacy-burnishing set of maneuvers that are seriously conjurable.

00:18:08.700 I think another vertical through which you see all that, you know, working through and materializing in is what's going on with Iran, 0.93

00:18:15.880 obviously a lot of chatter about a deal, even his rhetoric about it, like you were saying, you know, it's what's right to do.

00:18:21.180 It's something different talking about how, you know, Iran should have a future, they should have a right to exist and all that stuff.

00:18:27.560 Your thoughts on what this sort of timeline or trajectory would look like with regard to Iran?

00:18:34.520 It looks like it could be pretty quick.

00:18:36.320 So, I mean, there is this snapback problem.

00:18:40.120 I don't want to get super technical, but if they don't handle this, they'll be negotiating, basically a negotiation soon enough.

00:18:46.160 Maybe as soon as June, maybe as late as September.

00:18:47.980 It's a little complex.

00:18:49.640 I mean, Trump says they basically have the germ of a deal.

00:18:52.820 And Trump has made pretty clear, despite sort of, I would say, frankly, propaganda to the contrary, that he really only cares about Iran getting a nuclear weapon.

00:19:03.160 He said very, very, very, very, very clearly, it's not like we need 30 pages of text.

00:19:07.800 This is, I'm paraphrasing.

00:19:08.680 But it's not like we need 30 pages of text, because I only care about one thing.

00:19:13.240 They don't get the bomb.

00:19:14.840 Congressional Republicans, Senate hawks anchored around people like Mitch McConnell, Lindsey Graham, Senator Cotton want 0% enrichment, which is effectively a poison pill for the deal.

00:19:26.500 So, again, not defending the Iranian position at all, but the Iranians will walk at a certain level. 1.00

00:19:33.380 And if the hawks on the hill get their way, they will walk, and then we will be headed to war.

00:19:38.960 Trump clearly doesn't want to be the third term of George W. Bush.

00:19:42.940 You know, people sell these things in the Situation Room.

00:19:46.820 They sell them in think tanks in Washington, D.C.

00:19:48.960 But anyone who remembers the 2000s remembers that, you know, once Bush got into the Middle East and once Bush was bombing places in the Middle East, that's all he could do.

00:19:58.360 And Trump clearly seems to have an appetite for an off-ran.

00:20:03.160 Kurt Mills, thank you for joining us in the War Room.

00:20:05.760 As always, if people want to follow you, read your work, the magazine, where can they go to get it?

00:20:11.340 Yeah, just check out the website, www.theamericanconservative.com, founded in 2002 against the Iraq War by conservatives anchored around Patrick J. Buchanan.

00:20:21.920 You can see my stuff at at C-U-R-T-M-I-L-L-S on X.

00:20:25.680 And, yeah, thank you for the audience.

00:20:29.800 Of course, thank you so much for joining us.

00:20:31.440 We'll have you back on soon.

00:20:35.940 Warren Posse, speaking of threats, kinetic warfare, all those things.

00:20:41.340 I want to flag a story for you, if Denver has, we can toss up on screen.

00:20:44.800 It's the Reuters thing about very weird technological communications, sort of clandestine, whatever, covert devices being found in batteries and certain technological equipment across the United States,

00:20:59.820 at least two senior energy officials, sort of raising the red alarm.

00:21:05.280 Obviously, this occurring, I think, in context of what has been developing quite rapidly when it comes to kind of potential for EMP attacks.

00:21:15.800 I think you've been seeing what's been going on in Spain, the blackouts, or what's been going on in the Newark airport, what's been going on in Denver.

00:21:23.560 And as someone, I guess I have the book, who is a longtime super fan of unrestricted warfare when it comes to the Chinese Communist Party. 0.70

00:21:35.280 When I see all this stuff merged together, it all sets off some red flags, maybe the kind with a few yellow stars, maybe a communist hammer and sickle.

00:21:45.980 So all that aside, we're joined by Sam Faddis, who I wanted to bring on, who can break down the story in probably much greater detail than I can.

00:21:53.780 Sam, as always, thank you so much for joining us.

00:21:56.120 I'm curious to get your sort of top line assessment on this story, the idea that there's these sort of secret Chinese surveillance or batteries or equipment in batteries.

00:22:07.000 Am I reading that right?

00:22:08.220 So this most recent story that you're talking about is that we have found actually several different types of devices in equipment connected to solar farms in the United States, the equipment being manufactured in China.

00:22:26.760 So either in the batteries or inverters, other components, they have no legitimate purpose.

00:22:36.280 Let's just boil it down to what it is.

00:22:38.440 Why are they there?

00:22:39.620 They're there so that the Chinese can remotely kill these solar farms and shut down the power coming from them. 1.00

00:22:50.140 That's the only reason that's explicitly what it is.

00:22:53.420 So they are in advance pre-positioning the gear to let them shut this down.

00:22:59.060 And this is, frankly, completely consistent with what we have seen from them as they have done this all across the power grid year after year after year.

00:23:09.540 It's also consistent with the hacking of critical infrastructure.

00:23:15.680 It's only for one purpose.

00:23:17.760 It isn't to gather data or spy on you.

00:23:19.960 It is so they can turn out the lights and everything else that requires electricity in the United States when they choose to.

00:23:27.120 There's a great article in The Diplomat talking about how Taiwan, where they were sort of positioned to survive or withstand increasingly, I think, aggressive EMP attacks or just stuff more in the kind of cyber security realm.

00:23:43.400 I don't know why I'm old enough to remember when the World Economic Forum was warning us of cyber pandemics, whatever that may be.

00:23:48.720 It may be lucky guess or maybe some good old predictive programming.

00:23:52.220 But I want to read just a quote from from that article.

00:23:55.780 China's in informatized warfare strategy that guides its overall warfighting doctrine, according to the Science of Military Strategy, one of the Central Military Commission's core strategic documents.

00:24:06.400 And under the strategy, China seeks to dominate the cyber and electromagnetic domain by quickly disabling essential military and civilian electronic systems.

00:24:16.180 I saw, obviously, the convergence, the affinity between sort of all of these stories, one being, I guess, the actual reification of their ideological backing of what is undergirding a lot of their military strategy.

00:24:26.400 But I'm just curious if you've seen if this is something that has escalated in terms of, you know, the PRC developing these capabilities, or is it sort of compounded by the fact that especially under Joe Biden, you saw such a pivot to solar, to these sort of green new energy, sort of being a Trojan horse for technologies like these?

00:24:46.240 Yeah, well, all of the above, right?

00:24:48.060 I mean, is it consistent with their with their policy and are they constantly advancing it?

00:24:52.080 Yes, they are.

00:24:52.740 Did Biden provide them infinite openings for this?

00:24:57.400 Yes, yes, he did.

00:24:58.680 But again, this this thing with the solar farms is just another arm of an effort that's been ongoing for a long time under the first in the first Trump administration.

00:25:08.720 There are these giant transformers that are in the power grid, which is really the backbone of the thing.

00:25:14.180 And without them, you don't have electricity, which means you don't have modern life.

00:25:18.180 And the Chinese have been putting devices in these things for a long time to allow them to kill them. 1.00

00:25:24.800 When I say kill them, I don't mean shut them off. 0.98

00:25:27.420 So you just go flip a switch and turn it back on. 1.00

00:25:29.680 I mean, kill them and they never work again. 0.95

00:25:31.440 So back in 2019, Donald Trump had one of these things taken off a boat, sent it straight to Sandia National Lab and had them tear it apart. 0.99

00:25:41.000 So it's not supposition we physically found all this stuff.

00:25:45.280 He then subsequently banned the installation of any of these Chinese made large transformers in the net. 1.00

00:25:53.260 We're not going to keep doing this.

00:25:54.540 One of the very first things Joe Biden did when he sat down in the White House was lift that ban and begin the reinstallation of these sabotage transformers.

00:26:06.320 There are now something like 500 of them.

00:26:09.400 By the way, it takes, they're custom made.

00:26:12.960 If the Chinese take one out, it could take you five years to order a new one.

00:26:18.420 And I think we could guess if they're the ones that crash the grid, they're not sending you a new one anyway.

00:26:24.240 But to get it from anywhere, it will take years.

00:26:27.400 People need to understand that it's not about they're turning off the lights and maybe it's a couple of days and then everything's back to normal.

00:26:33.560 They're turning off the lights and the lights aren't coming back on for the foreseeable future.

00:26:38.640 So I always tell people, imagine you're sitting in your house, you got no lights, you got no Internet.

00:26:43.300 That means you got no money, you got no banking, all of modern life.

00:26:47.660 And Sam, we're coming up against a break.

00:26:49.000 If I can hold you through, I'm sure the audience heads are blowing up, no pun intended.

00:26:53.960 I want to keep drilling down on this.

00:26:55.520 We'll be right back for him after this short break.

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00:30:42.600 What do you think is motivating this decision by Donald Trump, his administration, and by the Republican Party to double down and triple down on what is just a grievous and grave injustice and affront to the U.S. Constitution, not to mention the absolutely horror that it is for this individual and his family?

00:31:08.720 Like, why not just say, OK, let's bring it back?

00:31:12.820 Well, I think that the only rational explanation, and I think this is the explanation, is that they want to set the stage for depriving people of their constitutional rights.

00:31:28.180 And that is why this is such a dangerous moment, not just for this individual, but for all of us, because if we strip him of his right to do process, it opens everybody up to the same vulnerability.

00:31:41.980 But that is the only explanation I can see, Mark, for what they're doing.

00:31:47.540 And, you know, you have people like Steve Miller openly talking about, right, ending habeas corpus, suspending the Constitution of the United States, instituting martial law.

00:31:57.520 And this is why it is so important that all of us speak up and stand up, because what bullies do and what authoritarian leaders do is they start coming after people they perceive are the most vulnerable.

00:32:10.500 And if nobody says anything or nobody stands up against that, then they just keep doing it.

00:32:17.640 And that's why we all need to stand up and cheer on those law firms and those colleges and universities that are standing up against Trump's lawlessness.

00:32:28.180 And it's also why we have to shame those who are not, who are capitulating, because when they capitulate, they simply give more energy to Donald Trump, who has an insatiable appetite for mowing down people's rights.

00:32:45.220 And so I think I think that's what's going on.

00:32:47.460 I think they're really testing the limits very deliberately here.

00:32:52.700 And that is why, you know, talking about a nine to nothing Supreme Court ruling, as you know, how unusual that is these days, the fact that they're contesting that or trying to trying to duck it.

00:33:04.900 Now they're claiming, you know, that they can't provide the judge with information because it's of state secrets.

00:33:10.240 I mean, such BS, right?

00:33:12.780 I'm quite confident that the judge will see through this ruse, but it just shows the lengths they will go to to lie and deflect.

00:33:22.700 All in service to this idea of eroding people's rights, due process rights, and of course, First Amendment rights in all these cases where they're going after students for exercising free speech.

00:33:32.800 You are back in the war room where, of course, you always got to be checking out birchgold.com slash Bannon, texting Bannon to 989898, where you can get your copy of the ultimate guide for gold in the Trump era, the golden age gold.

00:33:48.160 I'm just saying it's a nice, nice interplay there.

00:33:51.300 What you just watched, two people who have perverted what it means to call themselves patriots.

00:33:56.100 That is Senator Chris Van Hollen of MS-13 fame, beloved, I guess MS-13's favorite senator, and Mark Elias, probably also MS-13's favorite election activist.

00:34:07.300 Not just because he lobbied for the Clinton campaign to take foreign cash, but those two clowns are talking about how the biggest threat to democracy and, I guess, your constitutional rights and ability to live right now is President Donald J. Trump. 1.00

00:34:20.080 What a bunch of idiots. 1.00

00:34:22.000 For those of you who are watching the previous segment, I would put my money on the Chinese Communist Party, what they're doing with EMPs, these transformers, everything they've done to infiltrate and invade this country, frankly, kinetically, but certainly. 1.00

00:34:34.500 Otherwise, it's idiots like that that have allowed the PRC to, so I would say, adeptly and swiftly, I mean, I use the term invade loosely because they don't like kinetic warfare, but, you know, Chinese spy balloons, thousands of Chinese nationals at the southern border. 0.87

00:34:50.660 I don't know, suddenly all these airports having weird technological difficulties, all the trade derailments, I don't know, I'm kind of inclined to say invade, but hey, if you ask Mark Elias of election hacking fame and Senator Van Hollen, the largest threat is you guys, the MAGA movement, because apparently you don't want to be neighbors with a bunch of criminal gangbangers, you know, twice deported, twice adjudicated. 0.98

00:35:11.740 And yes, I will use the word convicted, because he was, Kilmar Garcia, maybe he'll be the Democrats' 2028 nominee, probably.

00:35:21.400 Maybe they'll roll him out at one of those AOC and Bernie rallies, he'd probably get a round of applause.

00:35:26.560 We are still joined by Sam Faddis, don't worry, we're going to get to the Fauci stuff in a bit.

00:35:32.940 But I'm curious, Sam, when you're talking about these transformers and what they're doing to sort of, I guess, invade or just infiltrate very high tech,

00:35:41.060 it's obviously part of what is it, they're not just made in China 2025 stuff, but they're, you know, 2035 ambition to get ahead from a technological purview.

00:35:49.300 Have we ever actually seen any of these things detonated?

00:35:53.380 I use that term loosely, but is this all just sort of advancing?

00:35:56.500 Is this something that's going to be used in the future?

00:35:58.800 Or are there any examples that you can point to?

00:36:01.180 Like I was sort of bringing up some of these weird train derailments or some of the weird network and blackouts, outages, stuff like that.

00:36:07.360 Is that related to that or is that just, you know, an insufficient grid?

00:36:12.060 What's your take on the, I would say, likelihood of these being used?

00:36:18.200 Yeah, well, the short answer to that is we don't know, but then we haven't really been looking very hard, right?

00:36:22.520 We've been doing the exact opposite.

00:36:24.700 I mean, I keep coming back to this point because I want folks to absorb it.

00:36:28.540 This is, we're not talking about cyber attacks that are really going to steal your data and take your social security number.

00:36:33.320 We're talking about cyber attacks, which will destroy your entire modern way of life.

00:36:39.060 And again, destroy, not temporarily interrupt, like the power will be off for 24 hours and you'll burn some candles.

00:36:45.000 Like it's not coming back up.

00:36:47.180 You're now in the 1600s.

00:36:48.980 And this is fact.

00:36:51.020 Back almost 20 years ago now, we did a test.

00:36:56.160 We, the U.S. government, took one of these large transformers, set it up, I think, at the Idaho National Lab, hacked it, and physically destroyed it.

00:37:06.160 You can watch that.

00:37:07.060 It's called the Aurora test.

00:37:08.800 And you can look at it online, see a video of it.

00:37:11.540 By that, I mean in about three minutes' time, the thing is belching smoke and on fire.

00:37:16.500 So you're not going to call the repair guy and put it back together, and it isn't working anymore.

00:37:23.320 So your power is not coming back up at all.

00:37:26.480 They have made vast gains in the 20 years since, almost 20 years since.

00:37:33.980 So that isn't to inconvenience you.

00:37:38.380 Again, it's not to steal your data.

00:37:40.180 It's to put the whole United States back in a pre-industrial state and win a war.

00:37:48.580 And they are perilously close to being able to do it right now.

00:37:53.880 Last question before I let you go.

00:37:56.220 How prepared?

00:37:58.200 Obviously, we've seen a lot of the ICs, some even, you know, the NSC, I think, kind of, I mean, certainly under Joe Biden,

00:38:04.180 but just even from a career perspective, sidetracked, frankly, on going after MAGA, the new domestic terrorists.

00:38:11.640 How ready and prepped do you think the United States is for attacks like these?

00:38:18.260 Not at all.

00:38:19.300 I mean, you've referenced EMP, an electromagnetic pulse,

00:38:22.440 which essentially a nuclear device detonated at a certain altitude produces a pulse and it'll fry all the electronics.

00:38:29.740 Okay.

00:38:30.880 We have done essentially nothing.

00:38:34.180 So, again, I keep coming back to this because it's critical.

00:38:37.860 When I say fry your electronics, I mean fry your electronics.

00:38:40.820 Your car is electronic, your computer, your television.

00:38:44.400 You're not going to put a new widget in it.

00:38:47.120 It doesn't work anymore and it never will work again.

00:38:51.240 Now, apply that to every electronic device in the entirety of the United States from the banking system to aircraft, everything else.

00:38:58.380 We know how to harden our systems against it.

00:39:01.520 We aren't physically doing it.

00:39:05.020 Sam Faddis, I always say thank you for coming on.

00:39:07.680 I don't know if the audience, I guess they're better to be informed than not know, but it's scary stuff.

00:39:12.700 The EMP stuff is so mind-blowing to me that it's not more discussed because it's real.

00:39:19.100 It's coming.

00:39:19.420 In the meantime, before we have you back on, where can people find you, follow you, and stay up to date with everything you're doing?

00:39:26.140 Well, I'm just on the web at Substack.

00:39:29.640 And Magazine, Substack.

00:39:31.420 So that's andmagazine.substack.com.

00:39:36.540 Thank you, sir, for joining us.

00:39:37.880 We'll have you back on.

00:39:38.500 An honor to be joined now by someone whose work I have loved for a very long time.

00:39:46.860 I think it's your first time on War Room.

00:39:49.980 Emily Kopp, who's now with The Daily Caller.

00:39:52.920 But you did absolutely wonderful reporting on all things Peter Dorschach, origins of COVID, gain-of-function research, which we're going to get into that.

00:40:01.240 But you have a new story up, quite a bombshell on essentially who is the replacement for Anthony Fauci.

00:40:09.260 You know what?

00:40:09.840 We'll do this.

00:40:10.440 We'll roll the clip to start because it's kind of scary.

00:40:13.080 And I want you to contextualize who this guy is, what they're pushing for, and the concerns that you have and that our audience will probably share.

00:40:20.960 So, Denver, let's roll it.

00:40:22.840 Are enormously significant for humans.

00:40:25.000 And so we don't know how long this sort of pandemic era, quote-unquote, may last.

00:40:31.240 That also begs the question of what influenza virus circulated before, right?

00:40:36.600 Because all of that is gone, right?

00:40:38.300 When our world derived from H1.

00:40:39.920 But maybe there were different strains.

00:40:42.600 So, yes.

00:40:43.400 So, you know, we and others are keenly interested to know what viruses, what influenza subtypes circulated in humans prior to 1918.

00:40:51.940 Of course, because there are no isolates, the only possible way is to go back and find archival tissue material

00:40:58.680 in which human autopsy tissues would be preserved wherein people might still have fragments of the RNA of those viruses.

00:41:08.680 Pandemic era doesn't quite have the same je ne sais quoi as, I would say, golden age or golden era.

00:41:14.400 But I digress.

00:41:15.320 Emily, can you walk us through who this dude is?

00:41:17.440 Sure.

00:41:19.760 Well, to strip that video away from the euphemisms, essentially what he's talking about is going back to corpses,

00:41:28.720 going back as far as the Middle Ages and extracting pandemic era viruses from those preserved corpses.

00:41:35.380 That is the ambition that he's stating there.

00:41:37.400 So, the guy on the left is Jeffrey Kovenberger.

00:41:41.320 He is the new head of Fauci's old institute, the NIAID.

00:41:44.700 The guy on the right is this guy, Vincent Racaniello.

00:41:47.080 He has been central to advocating for anofunction research and is in utter total denial about the fact that

00:41:55.000 the largest pandemic in a century might have resulted from anofunction virology.

00:42:00.040 He called it a conspiracy theory.

00:42:01.260 He is recently is a few days ago, founding very 2020.

00:42:06.380 But I think the fact that this person has been able to accede to the head of Fauci's old institute,

00:42:14.040 you know, despite the fact that RFK, the head of all of our nation's health agencies,

00:42:17.540 and Jay Bhattacharya, the head of the NIH, have both said in the strongest possible terms

00:42:21.660 that gain-of-function research is useless and essentially dangerous.

00:42:26.280 I think it's a vivid illustration of the shark-filled waters of the Washington swamp.

00:42:30.640 And this new head of NIAID, Jeffrey Kovenberger, is one of the scariest sharks out there.

00:42:38.280 So, how did this even happen?

00:42:40.440 How did this guy get through?

00:42:43.020 Is he a political appointee or is this someone who rose up from within the NIH ranks?

00:42:52.120 If I had to guess, I would say that Bhattacharya was blindsided.

00:42:56.000 You know, this new HHS is incredibly ambitious.

00:43:01.240 You know, the old HHS under Biden, you wouldn't hear from them for months.

00:43:05.380 And with this new HHS, you know, they're tackling this enormous autism study.

00:43:11.420 They're taking dyes out of food.

00:43:14.360 They're hitting the ground running.

00:43:16.200 And if I had to speculate, I would say, you know, Bhattacharya cannot have his hands in

00:43:24.680 every single interview detail.

00:43:27.220 And I think someone he trusted recommended this person.

00:43:31.360 And it was despite this long history.

00:43:35.560 And what I write in the piece is that it shows the, you know, despite the fact that you have

00:43:39.640 these two upstarts in Kennedy and Bhattacharya, who want enormous upheaval of our nation's 0.90

00:43:47.780 health agencies, it's running into the practical reality that they are facing an entrenched

00:43:52.460 Washington bureaucracy.

00:43:54.980 Because, again, these two gentlemen, you know, the people who have popular support, they have

00:44:04.120 been very vocal about the fact that canine function research is dangerous to humanity and that

00:44:09.460 they aspire to end it.

00:44:12.100 But Toppenberger sits at this ideal position to mess with that ambition and potentially,

00:44:20.260 you know, throw sand in the gears.

00:44:22.440 And he really made his bones in the field of infectious diseases, not, you know, in research

00:44:27.340 with any direct practical applications to human health.

00:44:29.900 By reviving the 1918 pandemic influenza from a corpse preserved in permafrost, he published

00:44:37.380 the genome online.

00:44:38.900 So in the future, reverse genetics become much easier.

00:44:42.700 Some unhinged individual could recreate an otherwise extinct pandemic influenza.

00:44:48.020 So we have in Toppenberger, someone whose life's work has been devoted, not necessarily to

00:44:53.480 making us all safer, but to actually creating a potentially more dangerous place to live.

00:44:59.900 Um, some virologists might push back and say, um, we might have population immunity by now

00:45:06.020 because a lot of the modern flu viruses are descended from 1918 flu.

00:45:11.060 Um, but I don't think it's in debate.

00:45:13.320 This research has led to no practical applications for human health.

00:45:18.300 Um, obviously there's been a lot of debate in the Maha movement around certain individuals

00:45:22.740 whose positions on certain things might not be strong enough.

00:45:25.540 Um, but this is much worse.

00:45:28.340 It's someone whose lifelong position is in direct contradiction to, um, to the leaders

00:45:35.060 of our health agencies.

00:45:37.560 And walk us through why, what the Trump administration did on gain of function research would even be

00:45:45.320 susceptible to being subverted by, by anyone, let alone, it seems like the number one poster

00:45:50.940 child and advocate for it.

00:45:52.460 Um, yeah, I'm grateful for the opportunity to get the word out about this.

00:45:59.260 Um, there was a lot of, um, I think surface level reporting about the gain of function

00:46:04.080 research, uh, executive order that was signed last week.

00:46:08.200 Um, a lot of press coverage said that it banned gain of function research.

00:46:11.640 In fact, it didn't.

00:46:12.460 Um, it, um, it's a 120 day deadline to hammer out the precise language of a potential gain

00:46:19.700 of function research ban.

00:46:21.320 Um, I'm not sure if that's because of the, the susceptibility of, uh, outright ban to

00:46:28.160 legal challenges.

00:46:29.920 Um, but what I can tell you is that a source of mine saw an earlier version of the gain of

00:46:35.900 function research executive order.

00:46:37.680 That was much stronger that banded out right immediately.

00:46:40.800 Um, and the person who was leading that charge was deliberately leaving out the NIH because

00:46:49.360 the NIH has been so successful in subverting any attempt to regulate gain of function research

00:46:55.160 because NIH is filled with people like Tobinberger who cannot fathom that gain of function research

00:47:04.200 could have led to the worst pandemic in a century because they've made their bones on it because

00:47:08.920 their entire career is built on it.

00:47:10.960 Um, and it's built on this idea that it is, it helps prevent, uh, pandemics rather than

00:47:15.960 ignite them.

00:47:17.420 Um, and this new executive order, it, you know, punts it 120 days to hammer out the precise

00:47:24.860 language.

00:47:26.000 Um, and it also states explicitly that they're going to incorporate the voices from a bunch of

00:47:31.820 different agencies, including at HHS.

00:47:33.900 So opening the door for NIH to have an influence here.

00:47:37.680 Um, and so, so I am not privy to the exact details of how the executive order went from

00:47:45.900 an immediate ban to this hazier language, but we are in a very sensitive period for people

00:47:54.380 who care a lot about this issue because it's being hammered out right now, what exactly a

00:48:00.940 ban will look like.

00:48:02.120 And we've seen in recent days, Senator Rand Paul said that it's likely going to take legislation.

00:48:05.960 And I think it's because this executive order leaves a lot of, um, a lot of wiggle room for

00:48:11.100 people like, you know, for NIH swarm creatures like Tobinberger to, um, to weaken the language

00:48:19.420 and to potentially, you know, um, uh, carve out loopholes.

00:48:24.680 We're coming up against the end of show, but just give me a minute or two.

00:48:28.220 So you've covered a lot of issues like this.

00:48:30.800 Like I said, you were really ahead of the curve on a lot of the COVID origin stuff.

00:48:34.980 In your explanation of this character, to me, it, it sounds like you think this is sort

00:48:39.780 of an ideological compromise.

00:48:41.080 Like the guy just really, for some reason, likes gain of function research.

00:48:44.880 Is that what you think is the motivating factor behind a lot of this?

00:48:48.060 For example, you said, you know, Bhattacharya, this just kind of happened, you know, oh, it

00:48:51.100 was an accident.

00:48:52.660 Do you think it's that, or do you think they're also nefarious?

00:48:54.920 This is something that big pharma really supports that, you know, just certain industries are

00:48:58.660 behind what, what's your take on sort of the, the motivating factors behind this?

00:49:05.900 Um, far be it for me to defend big pharma, um, cause I've covered the pharmaceutical industry

00:49:11.440 a lot too.

00:49:12.120 Um, but I actually don't think that they would be behind this because frankly, gain of function

00:49:17.840 research has no practical applications.

00:49:19.800 This is not something that leads to, um, you know, uh, vaccines and therapeutics that pharma

00:49:29.020 companies can make a lot of money on.

00:49:30.480 Um, you know, setting aside COVID, um, you know, but, but practically like a pharma company

00:49:40.480 wanting to do R and D is not going to say, let's do gain of function research because there's

00:49:45.100 usually no IP at the end of it that they can make money off of.

00:49:49.360 Um, so this is, I think a deeper issue sort of, it's this biodefense blob, I sometimes

00:49:55.900 call it.

00:49:56.960 Um, there is this global.

00:50:01.860 It's a cultural rot. 0.66

00:50:03.920 I think at the NIH, Emily, we're coming up against the end of the show, so I'm going to

00:50:06.400 have to let you go.

00:50:07.220 But in the meantime, if the audience wants to follow you, read your work, where can they

00:50:11.300 go to get all of it?

00:50:13.600 Sure.

00:50:14.200 Um, we'll go to the daily caller and, um, you can follow me on Twitter at, uh, Emily

00:50:19.260 A.

00:50:21.300 A must follow.

00:50:22.620 You do, you do great work.

00:50:23.780 You drill down when other people just see the word gain of function.

00:50:26.220 I think the, the eyes glaze over, or maybe there's on someone's payroll, Emily, thank

00:50:31.020 you so much for joining us.

00:50:32.140 We'll definitely have to have you back on soon.

00:50:34.460 Cool.

00:50:34.920 Thanks so much.

00:50:37.540 Warren Posse.

00:50:38.200 Thank you for hanging with me speaking of HHS, all things Maha and health.

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00:51:00.000 I will come out and fully, uh, not endorse gain of function research, let alone being spearheaded.

00:51:05.600 I think the Ben Harnwell critique of the sociopathic oligarchs is particularly and acutely applicable

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00:51:22.080 And they're pro, I guess, dead corpses from the 1900s reviving the viruses that were in.

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Bannon's War Room - May 16, 2025

WarRoom Battleground EP 770： Rise Of The New Pandemic

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