Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 773： The Dark World Of Organ Harvesting And Human Trafficking

00:00:00.000 So, David, never in a million years did I expect that I would meet an actual survivor

00:00:06.360 of forced organ harvesting, of this barbaric practice that the Chinese regime has been

00:00:12.880 involved in for decades. Tell me about Mr. Cheng's case.

00:00:18.360 I could see in terms of the raw data, there's something there, because

00:00:21.840 he's obviously a Falun Gong practitioner. He's obviously been organ harvested because we've got 1.00

00:00:27.200 the medical reports. I mean, the x-rays don't lie. So, I spent a fair amount of time basically

00:00:33.200 just kind of getting the chronology, the names, and the dates, and so on.

00:00:41.360 My name is Peiming Cheng. In November 2004, I was forcibly taken from Daxing Prison to the

00:00:48.000 4th Hospital of Daxing, where they did a surgery on me. This is my surgery scar.

00:00:57.200 It's 35 centimeters long.

00:01:09.200 Today, as I stand here, I may appear normal. I walk and speak normally. But in reality,

00:01:16.480 I can never return to the person I once was.

00:01:18.720 My left side is in constant pain, and it throbs with every beat of my pulse.

00:01:28.720 At night, I struggle to breathe when I lie down, and it is truly unbearable.

00:01:39.120 Peiming Cheng was able to come to America with the help of former Assistant Secretary of State for

00:01:43.920 Democracy, Human Rights and Labor, Robert Destro. What did it take to get Mr. Cheng here? Because I

00:01:50.340 understand there was a bounty on his head. There was a bounty on his head. He was hiding in Thailand.

00:01:56.020 And when I heard about the case, I said, well, let's get him out. And so we had to negotiate with the

00:02:02.840 Thai government because he wasn't in Thailand legally. So we got him out, and we brought him 0.95

00:02:08.360 here. And the rest is history. We put him through extensive medical testing and imaging and everything

00:02:15.700 else. And it's pretty clear consensus that they took stuff out. We are now confirming the suspicions

00:02:22.380 we've had for all these years that Mr. Cheng was a victim of forced organ harvesting. We now know that,

00:02:28.940 and the Chinese have confirmed the details. Well, so explain to me about that. How is it that they 0.99

00:02:33.980 could have possibly confirmed the details? Well, they confirmed that the surgery happened. You know,

00:02:39.260 they confirmed where it happened. They confirmed when it happened. And what we were able to do,

00:02:44.700 because we were able to get Mr. Cheng here in the United States, we were able to get independent experts

00:02:50.780 to look inside and see what's missing. We confirmed that part.

00:02:56.220 So what did it take?

00:02:58.540 At the time, Cheng had been serving an eight-year sentence and had endured extreme torture

00:03:03.580 and repeated electric shocks. The Chinese regime claims the surgery was to help him,

00:03:09.100 after Cheng, in protest of his persecution, swallowed a small blunt nail and blade. But medical experts say

00:03:15.900 there's no reasonable scenario where the operation, which removed significant portions of Cheng's liver

00:03:21.820 and lung, could have been to retrieve such swallowed items. As the record shows, they didn't need to go

00:03:28.860 into his side all the way around his back and through his chest. They could have gone down into his

00:03:34.300 esophagus with an endoscope and pulled everything out. They were fishing.

00:03:38.700 You, of course, are speaking to the sort of official...

00:03:42.220 The official narrative, yes.

00:03:43.740 Is it surprising to you that there was any official narrative at all?

00:03:49.900 Yes, I'm amazed that there's any official narrative at all. They've engaged on the conversation.

00:03:56.140 And as we lawyers would say, that's an admission against interest.

00:04:00.300 This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies, because we're going to medieval

00:04:11.340 on these people. You're just not going to get a free shot at all these networks lying about the

00:04:17.100 people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try

00:04:21.420 to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.

00:04:24.700 And where do people like that go to share the big line? Mega Media. I wish in my soul, I wish

00:04:32.140 that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:04:38.780 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:04:45.020 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.

00:04:48.300 It's Wednesday, 21 May, Year of the Lord 2025. Thank you for being here for the second hour of

00:04:58.540 our late afternoon, early evening show. I've wanted to do this for a long time. You saw that horrific

00:05:04.380 cold open. Jan Yekalik joins me. Jan, a huge fan, Epoch Times, an amazing show and a great

00:05:12.220 investigative reporter in the best broadsheet in this nation, the Epoch Times. I've also asked

00:05:18.140 Liz Yor and Ben Harnwell to join me, Ben from Rome, because this speaks to a bigger issue.

00:05:25.100 You're an expert on this situation with organ harvesting by the Chinese Communist Party. 0.97

00:05:31.420 It is so barbaric, so incomprehensible. And one of the reasons I've asked the other folks on here,

00:05:38.540 because the persecution of Falun Gong and the persecution of the Catholic Church and the underground

00:05:44.380 evangelical Christians is so out of control with the Chinese Communist Party. And the rest of the 0.99

00:05:50.380 world just looks the other way, including the Catholic Church, which has a secret deal with 0.56

00:05:54.460 them. And I know I saw you on the one of the webinars on the committee on the present danger

00:05:58.700 of China, which I'm one of the founders was so brilliant. But let's start with

00:06:02.860 in the 21st century. It's so barbaric. I think we almost have to explain to people how this actually

00:06:11.340 goes on, because people are saying, well, hang on. We give these people plenty of capital. We have

00:06:16.060 commerce. President Trump's talking about a deal now with these guys. We're not going to cut them off.

00:06:20.780 We're going to, you know, it's not going to, we're not going to uncouple, maybe strategically uncouple.

00:06:25.740 But this barbaric practice and the Catholic Church has to deal with these guys, let them select the 1.00

00:06:30.700 bishops. Walk me through the organ harvesting part of this. How do you get interested? How

00:06:35.580 you came upon this and how you became kind of, I guess, the expert in the West on this?

00:06:41.580 Well, Steve, first of all, thank you so much for having me on. You know, while you were

00:06:46.300 indisposed, if I'll say that lightly, Kash Patel was hosting for you and had me on a little bit about

00:06:52.300 this. And I was incredibly grateful. It was such a huge response. The issue with this, for starters,

00:06:57.740 is that it's a crime that is something that people don't want to believe. There's in fact,

00:07:03.020 there's a film called Hard to Believe about it. I mean, we're talking about at scale,

00:07:08.780 state sanctioned murder for organs, people, prisoners of conscience in the forced labor camps, in the dark

00:07:16.140 black jails, in the prisons, being blood type, tissue type, medically tested ahead of time to

00:07:22.220 the tune of, I don't know how many, but hundreds of thousands, if not millions, and then ready to 0.94

00:07:27.180 be killed to order by the regime. And I might add, you know, this is something we know has been

00:07:33.260 happening at scale, you know, something 60 to 90,000 a year of these transplants that are happening

00:07:39.900 with really no credible organ source, right? There's no credible organ donor registry. We could talk about

00:07:45.820 that. When you say at scale, explain that to people, your whole preamble at scale.

00:07:50.780 This is an industrial process. This is just not one or two bad guys trying to do this for money or

00:07:56.940 some mad scientist at some, at some jail or some prison. This is actually state sanctioned.

00:08:03.820 It's an industrial process. It's very much like the industrial process to eradicate the Jews 1.00

00:08:09.100 during the Holocaust was an industrial. If you've ever been to the camps, you see how the, 0.54

00:08:13.020 the German engineering mind thought this down to the, to the, to the, you know,

00:08:17.500 the, the microeconomics of it. You're saying that this is the same type of thing?

00:08:21.980 Well, so this is, that's a really interesting question, Steve. You know, there's in 2000,

00:08:27.500 or pardon me, in 2020, the China Tribunal was convened by a guy named Sir Jeffrey Neese. And Sir

00:08:33.500 Jeffrey basically got all the experts. And I would add, I'm not really the expert. There's a few out there

00:08:39.820 that are, I would call the experts like David Matus, Ethan Guttman. A number of people have

00:08:44.860 dedicated their lives to this issue. Torsten Trey is another one. I'm kind of de facto an expert

00:08:50.700 because I've been covering it for 19 years and I just know more about it than most people.

00:08:55.100 But no. So, so here's the issue. The China Tribunal is the definitive body of information.

00:09:01.500 They took a year to gather all of the evidence they could. Chinatribunal.com. That's the website.

00:09:07.020 If you want to understand this, the breadth of this huge body of information, but here's what

00:09:11.740 they struggled with. They asked themselves, is this genocide, right? Because this, this is a much

00:09:17.180 abused word these days, but, but genocide is the intent to eradicate a group of people in whole or in

00:09:23.100 part that intent, like the Holocaust, like the Holocaust. Exactly. And so what they struggled with

00:09:27.980 was, you know, David Matus estimates it's about, I think he said a $9 billion annual industry over there.

00:09:35.420 So, you know, there's a significant profit motive. So what they struggled with is, well, if, if, if the,

00:09:41.020 if there's this profit motive, maybe the motive isn't a rat, isn't to destroy the group of people.

00:09:45.820 So we might not quite be genocide. Maybe it's just a horrible crime against humanity. I mean,

00:09:49.820 I'm being a little bit glib here, but, but that's the level of debate. The question is, is it, you know,

00:09:55.500 fully intentional? But of course we know there's a level of intent because Jiang Zemin back in 1999,

00:10:01.420 where he, when he outlawed Falun Gong and said, in his words, eradicate this group,

00:10:07.100 he wasn't necessarily saying kill everybody. Part of it was transform them, reeducate them. And if

00:10:12.780 they're, if they comply, you know, we can, we can let them go. But what, what happens when you use

00:10:17.500 that type of language, that's actually genocidal language, because if the people don't comply,

00:10:22.300 and it turned out that the Falun Gong were unusually resistant to this horrible, horrible things they did 0.70

00:10:29.180 to them, I won't even go to the, into the details. I mean, like totally medieval methods of torture and

00:10:34.780 horror to basically, you know, all Falun Gong deaths, this was an unwritten rule would be considered

00:10:39.660 suicides, right? Because you basically meaning you can work on this person to do whatever.

00:10:43.820 The point was when they turned out to be so resistant to, to be able to, to this transformation,

00:10:49.020 well, I guess, I guess it has to be death then, right? I mean, I'm not, I don't know,

00:10:53.340 someone was exactly thinking that, but that's, that's the logical conclusion. So, you know,

00:10:58.300 Bob Destro, former Assistant Secretary of State for DRL back in Trump 45, he believes it's a genocide,

00:11:05.020 you know, along with Tibetans and Uyghurs, which are the Uyghurs are the official

00:11:09.100 group that's being genocided in China. This is something we forget. We talk about making deals,

00:11:13.820 we talk about doing this, there's like, they are, you know, it's very difficult to get someone to say,

00:11:19.260 yes, a real actual genocide is happening. Then our entire eradication of an entire group of people,

00:11:24.940 we officially believe that. Well, the US government believes that according to at least one group,

00:11:30.140 I would argue at least three in communist China. So, you know, you got to be careful when you're

00:11:34.860 dealing with the literally genocidal regime. When you talk about prisoners are conscious

00:11:39.980 in industrial scale at scale, and in 60 to 90,000 a year of these parts are organ

00:11:48.940 harvested. So that must be from individuals. Are these prisoners of conscience principally

00:11:54.460 Falun Gong? Do they use this as a target Falun Gong, the spiritual practice because of this?

00:11:59.980 That's a great question. So when you look at the growth of the organ industry in China,

00:12:05.500 and keep in mind, there's no organ registry, right? They're basically, from what we know,

00:12:09.660 they were using people that were, you know, quote unquote, disposable people. Actually,

00:12:14.700 one of the earliest accounts of this organ harvesting happening from a prisoner

00:12:18.940 is by a Uyghur surgeon who I've spoken with. Now, basically, it's the China Tribunal that came up

00:12:28.380 with this 60 to 90,000. That's kind of where it got to. But at the beginning, if you chart the

00:12:33.740 persecution of Falun Gong beginning in 1999, that's exactly when the whole organ industry takes off

00:12:40.540 stratospherically in exponential growth from basically 1999 to 2000.

00:12:45.420 Was it some twisted individual that said, we can monetize these people, and in doing it,

00:12:50.940 terrorize them so much that they'll give up the spiritual practice?

00:12:53.980 So we don't know who that is. I have some theories about it actually myself, but we don't have any

00:13:00.540 definitive evidence. We do know that in the Communist Party mentality and approach,

00:13:07.020 if you are deemed an enemy of the state, if you are deemed, you basically become disposable. I mean,

00:13:12.300 they kind of see people in general as disposable, but there's an extra level of contempt. And that's

00:13:17.740 why there was this huge propaganda campaign that was launched. I mean, they said these people eat

00:13:22.060 their children, they burn themselves alive, all sorts of really extreme things, because you had a group

00:13:27.260 that was incredibly popular in the 90s. I mean, to the 60, it was a 70 to 100,000, sorry, 100 million

00:13:34.940 people were practicing this in China. In mainland China. In mainland China, per government estimate,

00:13:39.180 right? Just through the 90s, right? I've never seen it in Hong Kong in the mid-90s, I guess it was.

00:13:44.700 And I asked somebody what it was, and they said it's a spiritual practice related to Buddhism,

00:13:48.860 and it had this physical, you know, I saw people out there practicing. And he told me, I was in Hong

00:13:55.260 Kong, just coming to start for everybody, he says, well, it's all over the mainland. And I was like,

00:14:00.380 this is all over the mainland. He goes, yeah, it's everywhere. It's, it's huge. And I did make

00:14:04.780 the comment at the time, I said, well, I don't know how long this is going to go, because those

00:14:08.380 are guys that don't like, they don't like people having associations that are not related to the

00:14:12.540 communist party. A hundred percent. And there's this other- Is that what happened? It exploded so much?

00:14:16.700 It exploded. But here, here's the really interesting thing. And I think this is the

00:14:20.380 real reason why the persecution became so heavy on this particular group. I'll have it. It took me

00:14:25.660 maybe 15 years of looking at this to actually kind of have this realization. Yes, there were

00:14:30.220 more Falun Gong practitioners than the communist party. And it's a very jealous, you know, organization.

00:14:34.460 It doesn't like things bigger than it. The communist party is only about 90,000 individuals.

00:14:38.140 Back, so back in the time, I think it, if I recall, it was about 60,000 and it was 70 to 100 or 70. Yeah.

00:14:45.420 But anyway, there was also this jealousy of Jiang Zemin because Li Hongzhi, who was the founder of

00:14:53.340 Falun Gong, he had kind of had the love of the people. It was generally known that Falun Gong

00:14:57.420 practitioners are healthy and moral, truthfulness, compassion, forbearance. People are living by

00:15:01.820 these principles and are very serious about it. And here's the really interesting part.

00:15:05.340 Li Hongzhi wrote voluminous teachings. Okay. He's called the master, the teacher. Some people don't

00:15:10.540 like the word master. But there aren't a lot of rules. Okay. Voluminous teachings, but not a lot of

00:15:17.340 rules. One of them is you can't enrich yourself from it. I mean, I'll tell you, these are my

00:15:21.980 interpretation of what the rules are these, something every Falun Gong practitioner would 0.63

00:15:25.180 agree to. Another one is, you know, there's no worship of the master or the teacher. Another

00:15:31.180 one is you never coerce someone to do it. Right. Another one is, let's say you're a really great

00:15:35.820 Falun Gong practitioner. You practice truthfulness, compassion, forbearance really well. Okay. I can't

00:15:40.940 emulate you. I can't say you're my great model of a Falun Gong practitioner. I have to, I have to

00:15:46.220 understand the teachings and live them myself. And that's actually what defines me. There's no roster.

00:15:51.100 There's no houses of worship or anything of this nature. None of this. It's what defines you as a

00:15:55.500 Falun Gong practitioner is you live the teachings. So what struck me, Steve, it was like, this is an

00:16:01.820 unbelievable level of agency. Like basically 70 to 100 million Chinese, you know, in the communist 0.99

00:16:08.620 system, which kind of demands you be kind of an automaton of the system, right, are suddenly exercising and

00:16:15.740 believing incredible agency, right? Compared to any other, there's nothing keeping you in

00:16:21.340 being a Falun Gong practitioner, you know, even in, you know, religions where you have, there's no

00:16:25.420 hierarchy. Another one rule would be, there's no hierarchy. It's your internal level that matters.

00:16:29.260 There's no one to tell you what to do. In the teaching itself, though, could you be,

00:16:34.620 could you take on Falun Gong and then be a member, also be a member of the Chinese Communist Party?

00:16:39.500 I mean, there were many people in that, in that situation. There were many people in the Chinese

00:16:44.460 chemistry that took up the spiritual practice. Absolutely. Absolutely. I remember it was being

00:16:48.140 actually taught. There's, there's examples. I know someone who was in one of the headquarters in

00:16:52.940 Beijing who was learning it because someone was teaching it. I mean, this was through all,

00:16:56.860 this is the other part about this movement, right? It was all the way from the migrant.

00:17:00.780 No wonder they try to shut you guys down. Well, migrant field worker, all the way up to the 1.00

00:17:05.020 high level Communist Party official. And a number, and there's, you know, evidence that people even

00:17:09.260 in the Politburo or their relatives were practicing in 99. And actually a lot of people advised Jiang Zemin

00:17:14.540 back in the day, do not do this. These are decent people. It's nonviolent. That would probably be

00:17:19.180 another role, right? Again, you know, we'll- But why the crackdown? They got, they got nervous and,

00:17:26.700 and why this hideous, because they've cracked down, we're going to have, they've cracked down on the,

00:17:31.100 on the house evangelical Christians. They've cracked down on, unfortunately, a shame to us.

00:17:35.660 They've cut a deal with the Vatican to basically eradicate the underground real Catholic church,

00:17:40.940 the state Catholic church. What was it about Falun Gong that they determined they had to have this

00:17:47.980 hideous practice to basically not just torture them, but send that thing out there, fear that if

00:17:54.460 you continue on this, you can be rolled up into industrial level organ harvesting? Well, I think that a

00:17:59.900 big part of it was just the scale, because this group was much bigger than anything else,

00:18:03.820 right? They've been persecuting Uyghurs and Tibetans, but these are somewhat smaller,

00:18:07.740 isolated, geographically isolated groups. This was, and this was, this was kind of everybody,

00:18:12.540 but this, this is the part, this is agency part. Like, think about it. If I'm a communist leader,

00:18:17.180 right? And I suddenly, I think, by the way, there's evidence Jiang Zemin believed that,

00:18:20.700 that in two weeks he could roll up Falun Gong. He thought it would go away in a few weeks,

00:18:24.860 right? But it turns out these people do not re-educate easily. In fact,

00:18:28.540 there's numerous accounts of practitioners literally telling the torturer, you know,

00:18:34.380 this is, this is bad for you. You're going to, you know, you're going to suffer for this. You're,

00:18:38.620 yes, I'm suffering now, but you're going to suffer a lot more later. Like that's the approach. And

00:18:42.140 people literally walking away from that saying, you know what? Good point. I don't think I want to

00:18:46.780 torture this person anymore. I mean, the scale of it, just imagine across all of China, right? So 0.55

00:18:52.220 the flip side is what it turned, what it created was the largest, arguably the largest civil

00:18:59.580 disobedience movement in existence today, where you have tens of millions of people going around

00:19:05.260 China. The way Falun Gong practitioners do it is they have, you know, they have, there's like an 0.77

00:19:09.260 estimated 200,000 underground printing presses, DVD pressing sites. And they just go to people and say,

00:19:14.700 look, the propaganda you heard is wrong. Let me tell you about what Falun Gong really is about. And by the

00:19:19.500 way, the problem isn't Falun Gong, the problem is communism. It's the communist party. And by the

00:19:24.140 way, you should actually quit the communist party. But you don't, but you don't have still the mass,

00:19:28.140 what I saw in Hong Kong, where you had 500,000 people in the morning at dawn doing that's gone

00:19:33.580 underground. That's gone underground. Exactly. They wrap it up. But there's examples. So Freedom House

00:19:39.180 some years ago did a, did a report on China. And what they found was despite it being like one of the

00:19:44.220 really top persecuted groups in China, in some provinces where the, in this, they,

00:19:49.260 they, they guess that because of this work, this advocacy work that the Falun Gong had been doing

00:19:53.580 in these relative provinces, the persecution had gone down somewhat because people are just like, 0.98

00:19:57.500 you know what? I know that regime is saying these people are evil, but I'm just not seeing that.

00:20:01.740 We're going to not do it as much. Why is the U S and other governments,

00:20:05.580 if it's so obvious in this organ harvesting the China tribunal, you can show facts and you can also

00:20:11.580 show that this is not a murderous death cult, which is the way the Chinese communist party

00:20:15.420 pursuit. Why have the nations of the world not come together? This is the most barbaric thing I

00:20:22.060 think is out there. You have live organ harvesting from people for money. And they've kind of targeted

00:20:29.340 this, the, these prisoners of conscience. Why have the nations of the world not stood up and said,

00:20:35.020 this is impossible. We're not going to have any more trade. You're not going to get access to our

00:20:38.780 capital markets. We're not going to give you guys visas to come here. Why have the nations of the

00:20:43.900 world not stood up there? Is it the evidence not there or is it just will for blindness?

00:20:47.980 Well, it's worse. It's worse than that. I'm just going to give you one example. So prior to the

00:20:51.980 survivor where I think you rolled a clip of this organ harvest, but I never thought we'd ever see.

00:20:56.540 It's just an unbelievable thing that he exists. You know, they took part of his liver and lung,

00:21:00.620 big 14 inch gash in his side. There's a paper in the American journal of transplantation.

00:21:05.500 The title of the paper is a few years back, execution by organ procurement. What they did was they

00:21:11.500 did a literature survey of the Chinese transplant literature. And what they found was that there's

00:21:17.260 at least 70 papers. And this was not by no means comprehensive, where it's clear that the method

00:21:23.340 of death of the person is the extraction of the organs and self. In other words,

00:21:27.020 the dead donor will death is being violated. And my read on this is that it's so normalized.

00:21:32.220 They're live when they take the organ out, they get a live organ, which is more valuable,

00:21:36.380 correct. And the person dies because of either the surgery itself or the care afterwards is not

00:21:41.420 good. And it's so normalized that they just write it into their translation. I don't think they even

00:21:45.100 realize they're writing and murdering people into their research, right? That that's published,

00:21:50.300 right? But to your answer, I think there's, there's multiple answers, right? One is

00:21:55.340 a lot of people don't want to believe it. That's dealing with, I've been covering crimes against

00:21:59.820 humanity for, you know, two decades now. People just don't want to believe that it's happening.

00:22:04.060 That's part of the problem. Another part of the problem is when you say it's really happening,

00:22:09.500 that means, you know, this is why there's a genocide convention, which we haven't really

00:22:12.940 followed very much. The genocide convention exists to say, there's certain things which are beyond

00:22:18.780 the pale. There's certain things that are so extreme that it justifies intervening and trying

00:22:24.300 to stop them. Like, like you just described, it's the most ghastly thing out there.

00:22:27.820 Have people gone to the genocide? Has the tribunal that met for a year, had they taken their evidence

00:22:34.460 and gone to Switzerland or gone to the genocide? And what, where is the state in the process?

00:22:39.180 The problem is that, that, that, as you know, and probably have covered extensively on War Room,

00:22:44.140 the CCP has a lot of inroads at the UN, you know, and indeed it sits on the Human Rights Council.

00:22:49.100 What are you talking about? They control Geneva,

00:22:51.340 the engine room of the UN is basically controlled by the Chinese Communist Party.

00:22:54.780 It's the reason we're getting out of the World Health Organization.

00:22:57.740 It's a, it's, it's, it's a huge, huge problem. And if that system is to be reformed,

00:23:02.220 which a lot of people believe it can't be, I'm, I still think it might be, but there's no way to

00:23:06.780 do it without extracting the Chinese Communist Party.

00:23:09.420 I want to bring Liz and Ben after the break, but here's what I want to do in leading up to the break,

00:23:13.820 because this is even more outrageous that the Catholic Church could have a deal with a government

00:23:19.020 that does that. Walk people through, we got a couple of minutes, walk them through the process

00:23:22.940 of live organ harvesting from the victims for second. I want people to have the,

00:23:27.980 I want their nose rubbed in this. 0.96

00:23:29.580 Well, so, you know, the, one of the first examples that we know of is actually head of

00:23:35.100 the Israeli Transplant Association, Yakub Levy has been a hero in this, by the way, another,

00:23:39.180 someone I would call an expert. In 2005, his patient comes to him in Israel, they have socialized

00:23:44.460 medicine. They pay for transplants. This guy's been waiting for a while. And he says, look,

00:23:48.060 I got an opportunity in China. In two weeks, they're going to set it up for me. They scheduled

00:23:51.420 it for me. And Yakub, you know, being child of Holocaust survivors, he says, this isn't,

00:23:56.300 there's no way this is going to happen, right? Because people don't do such things. Because

00:24:01.340 you have to know when someone's going to be dead, meaning you kill them, right? In order to do that 0.99

00:24:05.420 transplant. Sounds very macabre. But the guy says, well, I'm going. So he goes, comes back, 1.00

00:24:10.540 he's got the transplant. And Yakub realizes, oh my God, this is something horrible is happening here.

00:24:15.340 These are the beginnings. We had, you know, a woman came to us, uh, uh, who has, whose husband

00:24:20.940 was a transplant surgeon who told her after screaming at night and she heard demanding that

00:24:25.100 he tell her what happened. Um, she said, he told her, I extracted 2000 corneas from living people.

00:24:31.740 And that is why I'm corneas out of your eye, 2,000 eyeballs. Yeah. That's, I mean, and all this,

00:24:36.780 this was, this was the rumor. This is like, we didn't, we're just like, this is

00:24:40.220 be unbelievable. Like I, I don't even know what to make of it. And the victim's blind after that.

00:24:45.100 Well, I suspect that they don't leave them around, you know, or they, yeah, this is the point when

00:24:50.460 you have, when you treat people as disposable objects, does it matter if they're just in the

00:24:54.540 prison, you know, it's just one less mouth to feed. Right. So anyway, that's when David made us,

00:24:59.900 who's one of these experts and David Kilgore, may he rest in peace. Unfortunately, he passed from us.

00:25:03.820 He was a huge Catholic warrior. I might add, um, uh, back in the day. And, um, he, they were asked,

00:25:11.180 basically they took on the task of assessing whether this could be real. And they found 17 lines

00:25:16.300 of evidence. One of the, was this two week wait time. It was a very profound piece of evidence

00:25:20.300 for organs. But they would notify somebody prepared to pay, come over, it's two weeks.

00:25:24.700 Correct. Think about it for 200, 100 or 200 grand. That could be your life. It's a very attractive

00:25:29.500 proposition. If you're willing to forget the fact that someone's being killed.

00:25:32.140 They take every major, they would go after every major organ and they would tell, and they would

00:25:36.220 tell people, they would tell those people it's a death row prisoner that's being used to make you

00:25:40.780 assuage your conscience. Right. But the, even the wildest, uh, you know, sort of estimates of death

00:25:45.900 penalty is orders of magnitude greater than the amount of transplants. And then later when they

00:25:50.060 allegedly created, uh, uh, a transplant registry in China, there's a pay another paper in one of the

00:25:56.380 transplant journals that shows that it's a perfect quadratic equation. In other words, they invented the

00:26:00.300 data and they weren't even very good at inventing the data. Right. So anyway, it's the, the, and it's,

00:26:06.220 it's macabre because you have to transplant from aside from corneas, you have to transplant from a 1.00

00:26:11.740 living person. And, and, you know, it's just, it's, it's better that way. It's a healthier organ. So,

00:26:18.700 you know, you can just imagine what happens and it's a perfect, it's the perfect crime scene

00:26:22.140 because you're cleaning it up afterwards. And these people, and this is something David

00:26:26.060 made us pointed out to me once I've never forgotten. They're so vulnerable.

00:26:28.860 Imagine you're Falun Gong, you know, there's millions of people being put into the labor camp,

00:26:32.860 prison system. You're not telling people who you are because they're going to take your family,

00:26:37.100 right? So you're this nameless person in the system that disappears. Who knows what happened?

00:26:41.020 No one imagines in the early years that it's organ harvesting. You're just died or something,

00:26:45.260 right? They disappear. Okay. Short break. We're going to get the, um, the disgrace and shame of the

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00:31:15.120 The China Tribunal, was that a Falun Gong thing or put together by the religious group,

00:31:25.060 your spiritual group, or is that independent?

00:31:26.780 No, in fact, this is, it was, it's actually a very powerful group of experts that Sir Jeffrey

00:31:32.680 Nies ultimately convened, you know, a panel. I mean, one professor of really, really, really high

00:31:41.400 level professor from, I think Penn, I always mix up Penn State or University of Pennsylvania,

00:31:46.580 Arthur Waldron was part of that, part of that panel. Arthur Waldron, renowned China hand.

00:31:51.100 Exactly. So, I mean, this was a completely, completely independent and that's what made it

00:31:55.260 particularly powerful. And they brought people from all over the place, including a former New

00:32:00.400 York Times reporter who had heard some very interesting things.

00:32:01.960 And it was so outrageous. That's where they got involved in and had to have this tribunal.

00:32:05.940 Took a year. Okay. We're going to get to that. One of the reasons I wanted to invite my two

00:32:10.340 Catholic colleagues on here, you were on the Committee on the Present Danger, I think a couple

00:32:15.540 of weeks ago, in one of our webinars. You said something's very powerful that's not repeated

00:32:20.820 enough. You said, and you're not Catholic, but you said one of the issues with this secret deal

00:32:27.180 with the Catholic Church, it gives credibility to the regime, to the brutality, and it makes it harder

00:32:33.420 for not just Falun Gong, but for everybody else when you have such a powerful spiritual institution

00:32:38.320 as the Catholic Church, essentially in business with them and allowing them to kind of run and

00:32:44.880 oversee the religion in mainland China. Can you expound on that?

00:32:48.380 Absolutely. I mean, the Vatican deal is a total head-scratcher for me. Basically, it was penned

00:32:54.220 in 2018. It's been renewed a number of times, and it makes no sense because the fate of Catholics 0.99

00:33:01.220 in communist China has only gotten worse the whole time. You would think if the deal has the opposite

00:33:06.520 effect, you would kind of get rid of it, right? Let's assume best faith, right? They're thinking,

00:33:10.960 hey, we want to make life better for the Catholic faithful. They have not done that. But what they

00:33:15.360 have done, to your point earlier, is it basically says, look, you know, to the world, look, the

00:33:20.640 Vatican feels like you can kind of deal with this regime reasonably. And, you know, and we can kind

00:33:26.080 of negotiate around who the bishops will be. And we don't actually know exactly the details of the

00:33:31.240 deal. But I remember, you know, just before you were talking about Hong Kong earlier, just before

00:33:35.540 the national security law came into effect, I had the honor of interviewing one of the Catholics I

00:33:41.000 respect most out there, Cardinal Zen, right? And of course, he was out there. Absolutely. And he

00:33:47.400 was out there explaining, why does it not, you know, why is this a crazy idea? And he was trying

00:33:53.520 and the previous Pope wouldn't see him. And it was very sad. And but ultimately, that webinar, I had no

00:33:58.920 idea how bad it had been for Catholics until I was on that webinar. I was like, this is really beyond

00:34:03.760 the pale. But ultimately, this is the this is the issue. Whoever you are, right? Basically, it puts we

00:34:10.700 in Chinese, they call it putting powder on the face of the regime. Okay, like, if you know that someone

00:34:17.160 is doing live organ harvesting a crime yet to be seen on this planet, and it's part of the normal

00:34:22.200 operations of a regime, right? How can you expect good faith and negotiations? Is there any doubt in your

00:34:28.460 mind that the senior level of the Catholic Church, knowing their intelligence network and how they're dialed in?

00:34:33.280 Is there any doubt that the senior levels of Catholic Church do not know about the

00:34:38.100 particularly since the China Tribunal was not run by Falun Gong, but was these like Arthur

00:34:43.980 Waldron, these renowned China hands? Is there any doubt in your mind that they do not know 0.96

00:34:49.880 that there is a spiritual practice Falun Gong that is under being tortured by live organ harvesting?

00:34:57.640 Any doubt the way the I'm sure that some of them know, but I also think that in these kinds

00:35:03.220 of situations, people tell themselves convenient stories sometimes to assuage their, you know,

00:35:08.920 you're Polish descent. That's right. So you know about what the Communist Party did to suppress

00:35:15.540 all religions, but particularly Catholicism in Poland, right? 100%, 100%. Well, within, I mean, 0.96

00:35:21.500 in Poland, they were, it's actually, you know, a facet, Poland is a fascinating situation because

00:35:27.000 Catholicism is so deep in Poland, right? And so the way they did that is, of course, 1.00

00:35:32.820 they tried to shut down the church. They tried, they've killed a number of the very prominent

00:35:37.500 priests like Popiewuszko, very famously. But they really couldn't, they didn't really try to squelch

00:35:44.220 the church because they knew, like ultimately, because they knew that they would have, everybody

00:35:48.300 would go in rebellion. That's part of the Polish psyche. They're very, you know, they don't like being 1.00

00:35:52.780 told what to do. They always felt like they were under Russian occupation, right? With even this,

00:35:57.640 even the communists felt that at some level. And it was so embedded into the culture. The

00:36:01.320 culture was so embedded into the culture. So I think, I mean, compared to other places like Russia,

00:36:06.220 as a prominent example, that, I mean, there was total decimation, right? Of the church that didn't

00:36:11.720 happen. Poland was an unusual case. However, I did learn about the insanity of what, how a communist 0.94

00:36:19.320 system works. And for example, right, we had these in our, my family, it would be like the worst thing

00:36:25.040 in the world for me to talk about anything in my family, outside of the family. And this drove me

00:36:29.700 crazy as a kid, you know, my very overbearing, you know, overprotective mom, you can imagine, 0.99

00:36:35.160 right? I had lots of things I want to talk about, but I knew deep inside my core, I couldn't do that.

00:36:39.180 Everybody else was, you know, talking smack about, about their parents. So I only learned later as I

00:36:44.440 encountered the Falun Gong persecution, and then really started trying to understand,

00:36:48.680 you know, communism. Oh, this was because if the kid said the wrong thing, parents are being locked

00:36:54.800 up. Exactly. That all happened, right? That was all part of the system. And everyone has been,

00:36:59.420 basically, everyone is used in a communist society as an agent in a way, like you're incentivized

00:37:04.340 heavily to report on your fellow man. They found that 25% after, you know, Institute of National

00:37:10.020 Remembrance, the Lestration, as they call it, they found a quarter of the population were

00:37:14.060 informants in Poland. And these are the people that really don't like cooperating, right? So you

00:37:18.960 can imagine how this society was, we can have this conversation. I mean, we're, we're live here,

00:37:22.920 but you can't even have, you know, you don't know who to trust. It's just how it works.

00:37:25.820 This is what they try to do here, underbinding the lives of others. We would have people watch that

00:37:30.060 movie. Incredible film, incredible film. I always tell people.

00:37:34.360 You've got to watch it. It changes you. Liz, you're, this makes it even, I mean, it's,

00:37:39.260 this is why I want to have you on on because of his expertise in this area about the organ

00:37:43.860 harvesting. And, and, and, and like he said, it gives a veneer that there, that the Chinese 0.98

00:37:51.700 Communist Party can be dealt with rationally when it comes to religion. And how can, and now we know

00:37:56.420 the fact that was kind of blurted out that Cardinal Prevost, when he was Cardinal, went to China a number

00:38:02.500 of times that was never, ever explained to people before the conclave, ma'am.

00:38:06.980 No, you know, Steve, I read the China tribunal report. It is horrifying to read. And that further

00:38:14.860 emboldened me to speak out against this horrible agreement with the Catholic church and, and the 0.99

00:38:23.120 CCP. You know, we found out after Pope Leo was elected that he had gone to China several times.

00:38:30.880 I've got a lot of questions. You know, first of all, he has talked about the seamless garment life

00:38:36.460 ethic. Well, if ever there is a life ethic, it is this horrendous genocide against the Falun Gong, 1.00

00:38:45.520 this forced organ donation program, which is a monstrosity. And I want to see Pope Leo,

00:38:53.320 who has been to China 12 times, and I want to know why he went, who escorted him. Did Ted McCarrick

00:39:02.460 make any kind of arrangements? Did he ask any questions about the Chinese forced organ donor

00:39:09.560 program? What did the Chinese government say to him about that program? What, you know,

00:39:16.200 were any monies paid to him with respect to this, these several trips? I mean, these are the questions

00:39:23.920 that need to be answered. And Steve, billions of people saw him walk out on the loggia and look

00:39:30.320 out onto St. Peter's Square. This is the issue that Pope Leo should immediately address. One,

00:39:39.940 cancel this awful agreement with the CCP, repeal it immediately, but also to use the power, the bully

00:39:49.320 pulpit of his office to talk about what is going on with the Falun Gong, what is going on with the

00:39:56.880 Uyghurs. And for 12 years, there has not been a word from the Vatican about this outrageous violation 1.00

00:40:04.980 of human rights. And the fact that they're a partner with it, with the CCP, it's, it's unimaginable.

00:40:12.240 It's, it's, he tweeted today about Gaza. I mean, Gaza is horrible. Don't get me wrong. What's

00:40:16.880 happening in Gaza is horrible in both sides, but this is plain and you've got to deal with it. You

00:40:22.060 don't have a deal in Gaza. You have a deal here. Yeah. And here's the thing, right? And this is for 0.59

00:40:26.580 the Catholic faithful out there. And I, and I think I'm, I'm ready to give the Pope the benefit of the

00:40:31.460 doubt. This is an opportunity because clearly there wasn't an interest in the past at dealing

00:40:35.780 with this. Well, this is a great opportunity to, to, you know, be on the side of righteousness and

00:40:41.020 justice and so forth. Right. But what I wanted to say is what happens when you don't deal with crimes

00:40:46.000 against humanity, this is why the genocide was convention was signed. In my opinion, what happens

00:40:50.100 is when you don't deal with crimes against humanity, it spreads further. And this is what happened by not

00:40:54.880 dealing with the, the situation of this with the Falun Gong, it then shifted to at some level to

00:41:02.940 the Uyghurs. I don't know at what level. Um, I do know it's an incredibly vulnerable population that

00:41:07.620 has millions in concentration camps. Now we have reports that this has been happening and we know

00:41:13.340 there's a market and this is going to sound really gruesome to people for quote unquote, halal organs,

00:41:17.680 right? Muslim prefer, um, uh, Muslim organs because the Uyghurs are Muslim. Is that what the marketplace 1.00

00:41:24.900 says? That, that, that, and so this is, this is an area I don't know as much about, but it's

00:41:30.300 shifted. It's shifted. And, and this is why, why wouldn't it shift to the Catholic? You're saying, 0.62

00:41:34.920 you're saying, you're saying since, since Leo's come on now, he can sit there and go, Hey, I had

00:41:39.620 nothing to do with this. We got to review this immediately, bring Cardinal Zen back, which is who they

00:41:45.180 wouldn't meet with before. Explain it. Maybe you meet with Falun Gong, find out about this and say,

00:41:50.100 Hey, we can't go forward with this. From what I understand, Cardinal Zen wasn't part of the

00:41:53.840 conclave, but he was there. And I expect he was speaking with many people about these types of

00:41:57.880 issues, right? Basically advocating for the Hong Kongers. Well, when they signed the deal, he went

00:42:00.820 back and Parolin, those guys kept him waiting for three days. Wasn't it three days, uh, Liz Shore,

00:42:05.760 they kept him waiting around and he never actually got to meet with Francis at all about this. I think he

00:42:10.360 met with Parolin. Is that correct? That's correct. That's correct. And as, and as a result,

00:42:15.180 they went ahead and renewed it three times, knowing that while the ink was dry, this, this deal was

00:42:23.100 violated by the CCP immediately, immediately, they kept on arresting priests and bishops who 10 bishops

00:42:30.920 are still missing, being detained. We don't even know if they're alive. And, and Prevost went over to

00:42:37.680 China. Did he ask about all the missing bishops? Did he see all the churches that had been demolished?

00:42:44.300 Um, and most especially to the topic we're talking about today. I mean, you have to live on another

00:42:50.100 planet, not to know what's going on with their intelligence network, with their intel, with their

00:42:55.080 intelligence network, they know exactly what's going on in the harvest because the tribunal was not run

00:42:59.120 by the Falun Gong. It's an independent with some of the biggest names of what I call the old China

00:43:03.760 hands, Ben Harnwell. You and I have been on this now for years since the first, I remember standing on top of

00:43:09.720 that convent overlooking the Vatican. We were there for the pedophile conference, but they dropped this

00:43:14.200 at the beginning of it. I said, this is actually 10 times bigger because you're giving up one of the

00:43:18.420 most vibrant, robust, it's like the underground church in Poland. You're giving up one of the most

00:43:22.780 robust churches ever to turn it over to the Chinese Communist Party. Your thoughts, sir?

00:43:26.920 Good evening, Steve. Look, back in February 2017, when the Vatican hosted a summit on the forced organ

00:43:38.160 harvesting, I was actually working there in the Pontifical Academy for Social Sciences. I was a

00:43:45.320 consigliere. And I remember at that time, the invitation, I think it was to Dr. Huang J. Fu, former

00:43:55.060 deputy Chinese health minister, and he was invited to participate. And I remember, Steve, on the inside

00:44:01.880 on that occasion, the lobbying that a number of very strong, committed Catholics were doing, trying to get

00:44:10.720 that invitation cancelled because they said it was scandalous. And some very high level representations

00:44:18.700 were made. And basically, without breaking any confidences or anything, the Pope wanted this invitation

00:44:24.820 to go ahead. And I think it's what you and Jan were saying before about sort of willful ignorance,

00:44:31.440 willful turning of blind eyes. And I was trying to, as an intermediary, I was trying to shut a bit

00:44:37.820 this information across. And it was difficult to pin down anything absolutely specific. And it's

00:44:43.980 absolutely true what Liz has said, that in 12 years, Pope Francis never issued a single condemnation

00:44:51.820 of this Chinese practice. How about this then for a suggestion? And I'm not aware that President

00:44:58.260 Trump has condemned it either. How about an initiative, a White House-led initiative, inviting

00:45:06.140 Pope Leo, along with President Trump, to issue a joint condemnation of forced organ harvesting in China?

00:45:15.420 Um, they will have an idea of what the what the Vatican's, you know, whether there is any

00:45:21.940 reasonable hope of a change in policy with regards to China, and under this new Pope. And I think a lot

00:45:28.140 of people would be interested to see how Pope Leo would respond to that invitation.

00:45:33.800 Yeah. And just just to let you know, there's been kind of unprecedented action in Congress. And I know

00:45:39.500 probably a lot of viewers of your show, Steve, are kind of unhappy with with Congress action on this

00:45:43.860 issue. There's been unprecedented action in Congress. Okay, a couple of weeks ago, two bills

00:45:49.620 are passed. Okay, one unanimously one with one dissenting vote. Okay, the first one is the Falun Gong

00:45:55.740 Protection Act. And they're both targeting organ harvesting. The second one is stop the stop forced

00:46:01.460 organ harvesting act, which is a little which is a little broader. Both of them sanction people that are

00:46:07.000 involved in this. There's a reporting element on the Falun Gong Protection Act. Most importantly,

00:46:11.940 and this is why I expect now this is going to the Senate, Ted Cruz is picking up the Falun Gong 0.86

00:46:16.440 Protection Act. The Senate is great. He's a fighter. I'm looking forward to seeing but I expect the

00:46:20.560 Chinese Communist Party to pull out all the stops here. Because they do not want basically stamped 0.96

00:46:27.480 into US law, the fact that they are doing this, this would be the first time there's been resolutions

00:46:31.860 that US Congress has passed, but this would have actual legal teeth. And and there's another act

00:46:37.560 in waiting. There's five states that are basically remember what I talked about Yacob Lavi earlier,

00:46:42.520 there's this they're preventing Yacob Lavi got this law passed in Israel that they will not pay for

00:46:49.000 China organ transplants. There's five states now Arizona just signed it into last same week,

00:46:53.160 but by the way that those two pieces of legislation passed the house. So so there's stuff happening.

00:46:57.680 So this is, you know, that's an amazing idea you have of this, you know, joint declaration from the

00:47:03.040 president. We'd be very powerful. And the climate for it exists legislatively, too.

00:47:08.160 Well, and it is as Catholics, it is been humiliating to us since this deal was done in a secret and to 0.99

00:47:15.760 be renewed. And if you see the power and the vibrancy of the underground Catholic Church

00:47:21.360 in Hong Kong or didn't have to be in Hong Kong. Now it has to be with Cardinal Zen. Cardinal Zen is a

00:47:27.000 living saint. To me, he should be pope. We're going to have to bounce. Where do people go? Because we're

00:47:31.920 now going to make this a thing. Right. Where do people go to get more information? First, the more

00:47:36.360 impossible, more information they get, the better where they go see these bills, where they go see.

00:47:41.160 And I want them to see all the videos. Folks, you must watch this. You can't turn your eyes away from

00:47:46.160 it. It's absolutely brutal where they go for all the information. Well, for starters, for the evidence,

00:47:52.160 China Tribunal dot com, the most comprehensive dump of evidence. Come to the Epoch Times dot com

00:47:59.600 or Epoch TV dot com. You can look up my channel. I cover this issue somewhat regularly. I've had

00:48:05.600 I have a recent piece on American thought leaders, my show about this survivor of forced organ harvesting

00:48:12.280 against all odds exists. You know, it's kind of an unbelievable. And David made his testimony

00:48:16.680 about how he, you know, how he understands things to stand today and many others. So

00:48:22.600 what's your social media? Where do people go? Oh, at Jan Jekielek. I'll spell it for you. At J-A-N-J-E-K-I-E-L-E-K.

00:48:31.860 And in a moment, I'll put something up about exactly this issue. You can find it on X. On X is the best place.

00:48:37.000 So X. And you're also going to go to Poland for CPAC. That's right. That's right. I'm going to probably

00:48:42.860 speak in Polish for the first time in this kind of a venue. We're going to stream all of Hungary

00:48:47.480 and Poland. I'm not able to make it this time, but we're going to stream all of it. Amazing. Hang on.

00:48:53.780 Liz, Ben, obviously, this is our number one priority with this new pope. This is a disgrace,

00:49:00.000 and it's also helped destroy the church over there. Liz, where do people go to get all your information?

00:49:04.840 My website is yourchildren.com. I'm going to post the China Tribunal Report. Everybody in the war

00:49:12.840 room's got to read it. I'm also going to post questions I have for the new pope with respect

00:49:18.180 to China. Encourage your bishops to force answers to that. And I'm everywhere on social media under

00:49:25.780 Elizabeth Yore. You're amazing. This is a thing. When Liz Yore's at the tip of the spear, 0.84

00:49:32.520 things are going to happen. Ben, quickly, give me a minute. How big a deal is this?

00:49:37.880 How big a deal can we make this inside the Vatican, sir?

00:49:42.420 I think all the elements are there. Just remember this one thing, Steve. The reason Bergoglio

00:49:47.960 insisted on having this overseer of forced Chinese organ harvesting present at the Vatican 0.60

00:49:56.300 is because he sublimated everything to the fact that he wanted to be the first pope to visit China.

00:50:03.460 And let that, folks, let the horror of that sink in at a later moment. There's every moment,

00:50:11.220 every reason to believe that we can see something different. Follow me, Steve. I'm on Getter

00:50:15.040 at Harnwell. And I'll absolutely be tracking this and updating the woman posse with the news as we

00:50:21.660 have it. For the crushing of Falun Gong, the on-the-ground evangelicals, in 30 seconds, 0.55

00:50:28.320 how horrible would it be if the pope actually went to China?

00:50:34.040 It's basically the ultimate putting powder on the face of the CCP because you have a regime

00:50:39.240 whose stated purpose is to eradicate religion. And the pope is sort of validating it. I don't

00:50:45.500 think that's a good way to do it. I understand the mentality. I understand the impulse to try to

00:50:50.360 work in good faith and find some kind of better solution for the faithful of the various groups.

00:50:55.240 Common ground. There's no common ground here.

00:50:56.100 I wish there was, but we have decades of evidence showing that they don't have the common ground.

00:51:01.460 You're a hero. Thank you, Steve.

00:51:03.340 In the Epoch Times. Thank you, Steve.

00:51:05.440 One of the best papers in the country. Appreciate it.

00:51:07.500 And you've got a readership. I think you're only back at the New York Times and the Wall Street

00:51:11.060 Journal.

00:51:12.120 And maybe it's in Washington Post. We don't know. We don't know.

00:51:15.520 They always live with the numbers. We're going to be back live at 10 a.m. Eastern Daylight

00:51:19.700 Time tomorrow morning. Folks, it's on fire in the Imperial Capital. We're going to cover it

00:51:24.420 wall-to-wall. Be up on Getter all night. See you tomorrow morning at 10.

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Bannon's War Room - May 21, 2025

WarRoom Battleground EP 773： The Dark World Of Organ Harvesting And Human Trafficking

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