Bannon's War Room - May 29, 2025


WarRoom Battleground EP 778： Big Tech Dominance Crushes Small AI Firms


Episode Stats

Length

53 minutes

Words per Minute

181.52223

Word Count

9,795

Sentence Count

835

Misogynist Sentences

7

Hate Speech Sentences

13


Summary

In this episode, two of my favorite people and both practitioners and theorists on artificial intelligence, Brian Costello, a practitioner, and Joe Allen, a philosopher, join me in the War Room to talk all things AI.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Mr. Altman, now this is going to, I'm going to count this as a highlight recently, like I know
00:00:05.720 the work that you've done, you're really one of the people that are moving AI, and now it's an
00:00:11.640 opportunity, I was excited to meet you, and now people, you know, people ask me, it's like if
00:00:17.600 you're going to talk about AI, and now I get to ask you, I mean, you know, like the literal, the
00:00:21.940 expert, you know, some people are worried about AI or whatever, and I'm like, you know, what about
00:00:28.100 the singularity, so, you know, the people like that, if you would address that, please.
00:00:32.700 Thank you, Senator, for the kind words and for normalizing hoodies in more spaces, I'd love to
00:00:37.020 see that. I am, I am incredibly excited about the rate of progress, but I also am cautious, and
00:00:49.080 I would say, like, I don't know, I feel small next to it or something, I think this is beyond
00:00:57.060 something that we all fully yet understand where it's going to go, this is, this is, I believe,
00:01:03.000 among the biggest, maybe it'll turn out to be the biggest technological revolutions humanity will
00:01:07.400 have ever produced, and I, I feel privileged to be here, I feel curious and interested in what's
00:01:16.000 going to happen, but I do think things are going to change quite substantially. I, I think humans have
00:01:23.180 been a wonderful ability to adapt, and things that seem amazing will become the new normal very
00:01:28.640 quickly. Uh, we will figure out how to use these tools to just do things we could never do before,
00:01:32.900 and I think it will be quite extraordinary, but these are going to be tools that are capable of
00:01:39.300 things that we can't quite wrap our heads around, and some people call that, you know, as these tools
00:01:45.000 start helping us to create next, future iterations, some people call that singularity, some people call
00:01:50.200 that the takeoff, whatever it is, it feels like a sort of new era of human history, and I think it's
00:01:55.320 tremendously exciting that we get to live through that, and we can make it a wonderful thing, but
00:02:00.140 we've got to approach it with humility and some caution.
00:02:06.680 This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on
00:02:15.000 these people. Here's one time I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people. The
00:02:21.180 people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you've tried to do
00:02:25.140 everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
00:02:28.380 And where do people like that go to share the big lie? Mega Media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of
00:02:36.320 these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer
00:02:43.440 is to save my country, this country will be saved. War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
00:02:57.080 It's Thursday, 29 May, year of early, 2025. Two of my favorite people and both experts,
00:03:02.880 one a practitioner, the other a theoretician on artificial intelligence, Brian Costello,
00:03:08.860 the practitioner, and Joe Allen, the philosopher theoretician, are joining us. Brian, you're in
00:03:17.620 this day-to-day. Are we in the big bang? Elon Musk is talking about it. Are we in the big bang phase
00:03:24.640 of artificial intelligence now as far as exploding knowledge and understanding of this, at least
00:03:31.660 technologically, to drive technological progress? And since you're the one economic nationalist
00:03:39.100 populist that I think is in this space, there may be others, but you're the most vocal,
00:03:44.840 are we heading down a path that you see that this can actually be done from a populist perspective and
00:03:52.400 avoid a white-collar, job-killing apocalypse, sir?
00:04:00.400 So, yes, I think we are in a big bang. We're seeing these models get more sophisticated.
00:04:05.280 As Joe talked about earlier on the show, you're starting to see these agents come out, which
00:04:10.920 replace a lot of work in terms of the humans. And I think what you generally see here, what's
00:04:17.280 happening with us, Steve, is we're seeing 10, 15 years of innovation be consolidated down to months.
00:04:22.800 What used to take a year from a software development standpoint with, like, a whole big team,
00:04:27.260 machines can do in hours and days better than humans can. So that's certainly a big bang.
00:04:33.440 And there's a lot of changes there. To your second question, we're not headed down the right path
00:04:38.780 right now. There are, I think, 10 companies that control 90% of the AI infrastructure.
00:04:45.660 And we're seeing a lot of announcements in terms of investment into AI, but what you're not seeing
00:04:52.260 in those announcements is jobs, right? You're seeing a lot of announcements into capital and AI
00:04:57.260 factories. And there will certainly be the construction jobs and the jobs in the short term
00:05:00.720 around that build this AI infrastructure out. But you're not seeing a lot of employment commitments
00:05:06.000 towards that. So we really need to step back and we need to look at this and say, like, okay,
00:05:11.020 we're not even asking the right question now, is how do we make AI work for the American people?
00:05:16.300 Right now the question is, how do we do big deals for big businesses? But we're not stepping back and
00:05:21.540 saying, how do we make this work for everybody in America? And I don't think the answer is
00:05:25.700 universal basic income. I think there's other strategies we could take.
00:05:29.860 Okay, let's hear those, because what we're hearing, you talk about big deals,
00:05:34.540 this deal in UAE to build these data centers is pretty shocking that there's going to be another
00:05:39.820 node outside the United States. We have Dave Walsh on here all the time talking about the massive
00:05:43.620 energy needs. You've got deal after deal after deal. And of course, President Trump cut off
00:05:49.260 chips to China, which sounds to me kind of like cutting off oil to Japan in 1940. I fully support it.
00:05:56.480 I'm saying you just got to be ready for the blowback. But nobody but you, Brian Costello,
00:06:01.020 are talking at all. And this is why Costello is so important. You're the first guy that gave me a
00:06:05.900 heads up and say, hey, look, there's two models here. One model is efficiency. And of course,
00:06:10.560 Wall Street loves that because that means cut jobs, higher margins. This happened. This efficiency
00:06:15.360 model goes back way before AI to other investment opportunities, particularly offshoring jobs.
00:06:22.800 And then you've what you call the productivity creative model that they're not pursuing. So so
00:06:28.400 walk us through, because, brother, as you know, to get this pointed in the right direction or to bend
00:06:34.220 the arc here is going to be a Herculean task since the accelerationist are in charge of the Big Bang,
00:06:41.320 brother. Yeah, let's I mean, listen, I'll walk. I mean, what I have good insight into, Steve,
00:06:46.960 is what China is doing here. Right. So what China does, they open source their models. There's two
00:06:50.980 companies, DeepSeek and Quinn. So they gave the access to AI to everybody. They open source the
00:06:56.660 technology behind robotics and a firm called Utitrade. And then they launched a $1 trillion
00:07:02.620 CCP guidance fund to guide all the private capital into these are the areas in the segments we want to
00:07:09.480 win. Right. And so China kind of aligned a strategy around it. And you have to appreciate when they've
00:07:16.440 kind of focused on an industry they wanted to be a leader and, you know, they've done it. Right.
00:07:21.920 What we're doing is we're letting the free market, the biggest tech companies just buy up all the
00:07:27.080 AI infrastructure. And then you're seeing companies like Tesla and Google, Google through Waymo and
00:07:33.420 Tesla through its robo taxi that's launching, you know, go to replace the Uber and Lyfts that employ a lot
00:07:39.280 of the people. So you say, OK, AI is bad. But what you could what we could see and what we need to start
00:07:44.760 seeing is how does somebody create an Uber or Lyft with drivers that AIs, the whole back end, imports
00:07:51.040 more money into the driver's pockets. Right. Those are the types of things we need to see actually
00:07:57.340 help. Let's go back. You say you say you say free market. You see, Cussell and those are my trip
00:08:01.300 bars. You say free market. But in a sense, it's actually nine. As you said, 10 companies. And I would
00:08:08.380 actually say probably weighted to the top five or six. Ten companies control right now in your estimate
00:08:13.240 90 percent of the AI infrastructure, correct? Yeah. And they're also they also happen to be
00:08:19.860 30 to 40 percent of the entire market cap of the stock markets. And guess what? They're making all
00:08:26.860 these AI announcements and investments and their employment's not going up. And it's why? Because
00:08:31.760 they're investing in capital and they're investing in AI and they're investing in automating the jobs away.
00:08:36.340 Yeah. So that's the efficiency model, automating the jobs away. Do you see any way what needs to
00:08:43.960 be done to bend to your model, which is the productivity, the productivity, the creative
00:08:49.820 slash productivity model? So we need to have the conversation. Then we need to look at what are the
00:08:55.740 industries where AI can help us that we don't have today that are additive. Right. And I would argue
00:09:03.480 we even need to get down at the county level, Steve, I think we have thirty one hundred counties
00:09:07.200 in the country and the counties now have abilities to they need to look at where the money's being
00:09:12.640 big, being sucked out of the county, you know, from their people into the big tech and how do they
00:09:17.200 execute strategies locally around this? Right. So we need to look at. So the problem is
00:09:23.480 our free market or what we call our free market. Right. Likes to go where there's the least amount of
00:09:29.760 friction. Right. And the least amount of friction in AI right now is replacing jobs. It's not building
00:09:35.220 that new industries. It's automating away workers in existing things. So we need to look at how do we
00:09:41.760 align capital and form capital and net out of industries, the robotics, the automation, bringing
00:09:48.000 them in. You know, here's the reality. Manufacturing is highly automated now. Right. Like it's gone a lot
00:09:53.740 away from cheap labor. Right. So we're fooling ourselves to think, you know, something somebody
00:09:59.740 up in Boston is then going to be employed in a factory down in, in, in, you know, on the Mexico
00:10:06.500 border in Texas. Like it's just not going to happen. Right. So we need to look at what are the
00:10:11.060 switching. What? But but but but it this is why in the big, beautiful bill they slipped in that no
00:10:18.020 states you talk about the counties. They're powerless because we slipped into the big, beautiful
00:10:22.440 bill that no state, no state can have authorization over federal law, over federal law to to to to do
00:10:30.780 anything here. So when you talk about the county level, that's kind of meaningless, isn't it?
00:10:35.920 It is. I think the way it's structured right now, we need to have the conversation. We need to look
00:10:39.880 at the count. We can't like the counties need to look at they need to look at things and say, like,
00:10:43.600 OK, we now the cost of building technology is essentially zero. It's it's the access to the
00:10:48.280 infrastructure. Right. So they could be building their own Uber Eats locally. Right. And keeping
00:10:54.340 the money there instead of sucking all the money out to all these big tech oligarchs. So they could
00:10:59.280 you know, so you have strategies you can execute now at the local and the county level in terms of
00:11:04.520 technology and facilitating things in that environment. Like I'm a big believer, you know, this is
00:11:10.380 controversial, but I put an AI plan in when President Trump asked for it. But I believe we need a fund
00:11:17.040 at the national level that invests locally. It doesn't just put all the money in Silicon Valley.
00:11:22.200 It turns around and it helps the people of Iowa, the people of what how do they figure out AI
00:11:26.580 and how do they start things around agricultural in the local regions? Because the reality is
00:11:32.520 everybody. Yeah, you do. You do agree that this this efficiency model is all focused on on the
00:11:39.980 cutting of jobs, correct? On just taking out the labor part of the whatever their business model for
00:11:45.740 this industry, whatever industry they pick. It's all an efficiency model to basically and this is
00:11:50.600 how you get to the white collar apocalypse. And we're seeing it right now, Steve, we're seeing
00:11:56.640 we're seeing record corporate profitability. We're seeing job postings decrease. Right. And we're seeing
00:12:05.540 the the value of AI is basically going to the shareholders in these big companies, which is 15%
00:12:12.280 of the market. And candidly, when we have the foreign investors and a lot of the value in AI and
00:12:17.800 sucking value out of the country will go to other countries. This is what you mean by we we talk there
00:12:24.100 they were talking the other day that you could have not, you know, we're arguing about 1.7% growth
00:12:29.640 versus two and a half or three, you could have 10% actual GDP growth, but also have 10 to 15%
00:12:35.060 unemployment, particularly among white collar workers. Is that correct? Is that a potential
00:12:39.880 that's a potential that's a potential future for us? Listen, it's the guarantee, right? We have
00:12:47.040 companies now announcing huge capex spendings and this idea of AI, you know, NVIDIA announced their
00:12:51.900 earnings last night, he's the biggest player in the space, and announced AI factories, right? What's AI
00:12:57.660 factories? That's, you know, what, when Wall Street cheers the fact that you're going to make a huge
00:13:02.860 capital investment in technology, that means one thing, your employment is going to go down,
00:13:06.380 you're not going to hire the labor anymore. So you're seeing it play out right right now.
00:13:12.800 What else? Before I turn to Joe, what else do you find important in NVIDIA's announcement last night?
00:13:20.000 Listen, I think that they, the growth rate is staggering. Like it's, we've never, I mean,
00:13:27.180 they're talking about being four or $5 trillion. We've never seen a, this show how fast this is
00:13:32.480 growing, right? We've never seen a company add trillions in market cap over its lifetime,
00:13:37.620 nevermind in a couple of years, right? And the infrastructure is incredibly important.
00:13:42.440 And candidly, as a country, we need, you know, and I'm a little biased here, because we're doing
00:13:45.480 something here. We need a diverse, like having one company control all the AI infrastructure in the
00:13:50.180 world is not a good thing. It's not healthy. This is our thing about, this is our thing about going
00:13:55.000 after the oligarchs. How do you, this is what we're the lead on. And we're saying right now,
00:13:59.660 NVIDIA is something that, and the argument, oh, you can't do this because this is what's the
00:14:04.120 bulwark against the Chinese Communist Party. Clearly, NVIDIA is way too powerful right now.
00:14:10.380 No one company can have that type of market power in advanced chips. So what do you do about it?
00:14:16.940 You're a free market guy.
00:14:18.400 And they're going deeper in Taiwan. And we all know the geopolitical risks, you know, you covered
00:14:22.620 early in the week, the geopolitical risks we have with China and actually in Taiwan, right? And they're
00:14:28.440 going deeper. All just all NVIDIA stuff is made by Taiwan Semiconductor, TSMC, right? Who's committing
00:14:36.020 to do here? So we need to be investing more as a country in infrastructure, you know, so we have
00:14:42.380 variety of infrastructure and different place there.
00:14:44.960 Do you think last night the Trump administration also banned any sale of, and the NVIDIA CEOs
00:14:50.500 bellyaching about, but they, correct me if I'm wrong, didn't they ban 100% any advanced chip
00:14:56.160 design to be sold to the Chinese Communist Party?
00:14:58.320 Oh, they banned the software. They told the software companies that helped them do the
00:15:02.080 chip design that they can't, there's three big players that they can't sell into China
00:15:08.340 anymore. I, candidly, I think that.
00:15:11.060 Is that the equivalent, is that the equivalent of cutting off the oil to Japan in July and
00:15:16.380 August of 1941? Because what's happening in Taiwan right now are not, they're not exercises,
00:15:21.580 they're rehearsals. We've talked about this ad nauseum here, how these are rehearsals for the
00:15:26.640 invasion of Taiwan. Is what President Trump and the team did last night against the, you could tell
00:15:32.080 the NVIDIA and the software companies opposed it. Is this the equivalent of what happened in the
00:15:36.640 summer of 1941 with the Japanese?
00:15:39.760 Listen, I think they're going to react and they'll probably overreact back. I don't, I don't, I think
00:15:43.740 with AI, you can actually replicate building the software. So the software is not as important as it
00:15:48.060 once, once was, and that they probably already had efforts to do that. I mean, the thing that people
00:15:52.260 need to understand on this is, you know, Xi was up in Russia a few weeks ago when Putin seemed to
00:15:58.660 make his big pivot with Trump. And if I'm Xi, I'm up in Russia and saying, hey, listen, you know,
00:16:03.580 we've got huge efforts in AI to place their biotech and pharmaceutical industry, their chip industry,
00:16:08.920 the automobile industry. We can give Russia everything you need, keep your foot on the gas.
00:16:13.480 You don't need to back down. I mean, we're missing that, you know, we're missing Ukraine.
00:16:17.260 You agree, you agree with me? They were playing footsies like two teenagers on their first date.
00:16:22.820 Yeah, we're forgetting that she, that we're, listen, she's going all in on the AI. Like he's
00:16:28.280 out meeting with the AI startups in China, right? He's going up to Russia, basically, you know,
00:16:34.800 on an anniversary of World War II and has his troops marching in a parade, right? He wants them to stay
00:16:40.900 on Ukraine, right? And he's promising what he's promising to Putin. And what we now have that we
00:16:46.800 never had with, with, with Russia in the last Cold War, is you have another economic power who's
00:16:51.520 promising everything they need, right? The last real big meeting they had, look, we spent two
00:16:57.180 years negotiating a deal with them, Lighthizer did, that took out all the issues with the Chinese
00:17:01.860 Communist Party, integrated them into the Western thing. And in May of 2019, after two years of
00:17:07.580 negotiation, after they had the first one, Belt One Road meeting, Putin comes, I think it was in
00:17:13.160 Shanghai. They spit in our face, rip it up and say, hey, we're going to go, we're going to go
00:17:17.080 it alone. They, they decreed a people's war three weeks later and also decreed they're going to be
00:17:21.940 technologically, they're going to uncouple. We were not also uncouple, they're going to uncouple.
00:17:26.540 You come back, what, five years later, they're, they're playing, six years later, they're playing
00:17:31.080 footsie at the, at the 80th commemoration of the victory in Europe day, of which they got Chinese
00:17:36.520 troops marching. And, and, and since that time, people got to wake up that what they've done in
00:17:43.600 Ukraine is, and remember, we're 100% get out of the Ukraine war. And we're a big believer in the
00:17:49.380 Russian rapprochement to break them off of the CCP. That's a lot harder today. And I think you're 100%
00:17:54.460 correct. What she told him is that, hey, we got this AI thing covered. You keep the pressure on in
00:17:59.100 Ukraine. And, and quite frankly, don't help the Americans get off of this Persian situation with
00:18:04.560 the Israelis. I want to go bomb. Hang on a second. So Joe Allen, everything you've heard from a
00:18:09.680 practitioner of, of Brian Costello, who's putting money to work every day in this area, your thoughts.
00:18:19.260 Steve, Brian, I think it's important for me to say first and foremost, some of my best friends
00:18:24.340 are AI developers and cybersecurity experts. So while I myself am very much a kind of an
00:18:34.140 anti-tech extremist, I think that it's important to remember that there is no one model for how to
00:18:41.420 go forward into the future. And you have the two extremes, right? You have the one extreme all in
00:18:46.840 on this sort of singularitarian, transhumanist, post-humanist mindset. I'm going to become a
00:18:52.840 cyborg. You have something much more on my wavelength of being extremely technical or extremely skeptical
00:19:00.880 of all of these technical solutions for spiritual problems. But there is this huge middle ground.
00:19:07.540 People, you know, I still use phones. I still use cars, right? And nobody is a good Luddite. You've
00:19:13.060 never heard of them because they live in the woods. So, you know, with Brian's efforts to steer AI and
00:19:19.460 provide tools for people to survive in this environment that's being foisted upon us, I can't do anything but
00:19:27.440 just say I support these efforts. But one of my best friends, Justin Lang at Culture Pulse is trying
00:19:34.700 to do something very, very similar and others whom I can't mention on air. And I think that this is going
00:19:42.020 to be an important part of it. So, you know, I don't mean to suck up all the oxygen with kind of
00:19:48.180 anti-tech skepticism. I think that's going to be one of the most important shields going forward for
00:19:54.520 people morally and spiritually to have these cultural barriers. But the reality is that much
00:20:00.940 like Bitcoin provides some sort of alternative to fiat currency and much like, you know, natural
00:20:09.400 remedies or generic drugs. Stop, stop. Yo, yo, what do you mean you're an extremist? What do you mean
00:20:15.480 you're extremist? I don't hear anything extreme of that. The extremists are Elon Musk and hold it,
00:20:21.220 Dario. Look, we've got to get some definitions here for nomenclature. The accelerationists are
00:20:26.260 extremists. You're not an extremist. You're kind of trying to put common sense on this. You're not
00:20:31.180 you're not an AI professional practitioner like Brian Costello putting money to work and managing
00:20:36.840 companies, investing in companies that are at the cutting edge of AI. But you're certainly why you say
00:20:42.540 you're extremist. You're not an extremist. The accelerationists are extremist because it takes more,
00:20:48.760 it takes 10 times more regulation on Capitol Hill in the imperial capital to open a nail salon or a
00:20:56.440 hair braiding operation than it takes on all of artificial intelligence. They're the extremists
00:21:02.260 and they got a political class here that's bought off that is essentially stepping back and saying,
00:21:07.160 hey, it's a free market. You know, this is just let go when it ain't the free market, because 90% of
00:21:13.220 this has been underwritten by American taxpayer dollars through the universities and through the
00:21:18.520 weapons labs and the national labs. Joe Allen. Well, you know, everybody has to draw their lines
00:21:25.340 on how far they're going to go on all this. And my lines are drawn as close to the human as possible.
00:21:30.260 As a writer, I am completely, I'm an absolutist. I do not use AI for anything, for any of it. As a
00:21:36.780 reader, a researcher, I don't use AI for anything. In fact, outside of seeing the AI overviews that are
00:21:43.680 foisted on me, I don't use AI for anything. But there are people who will. I think that in the case of
00:21:51.220 the extremists on the accelerationist side, that some of the kind of Luddite impulse is a reaction to
00:21:58.520 that. These people have a totalizing vision for where all of this goes, including putting chips
00:22:04.760 in people's brains so they can survive in this hyper-technological society. But in the case of
00:22:11.160 Brian Costello, we've had Max Tegmark on. Hang on, hang on. It's their totalist, maximalist
00:22:19.000 vision that is actually we're heading down the arc on. And one of the reasons is they have a totalist,
00:22:24.660 maximalist vision. And you don't. And I don't. And I'm with you. I don't use any AI in any reason.
00:22:30.660 And I've, people I greatly admire have told me over the last month, they said, you're an idiot.
00:22:34.980 You've got to at least perplexity or take a pick. You've got to at least get involved here.
00:22:39.440 So you understand it. I'm, I'm an extremist in that right now, because I can see what it's doing
00:22:43.900 to people already. But the maximalist and the accelerationist, they have a vision and they're
00:22:49.960 pretty smart about rolling it out. And you've got Brian Costello, who's like one small boat,
00:22:56.060 right? In a, in a, in a sea of ocean liners and battleships and carriers that are all heading
00:23:01.900 toward destination. And that destination is a singularity. You heard Altman right there,
00:23:06.380 Fetterman and God bless John Fetterman. He asked the question every senator should have been asking,
00:23:11.340 what's the convergence point on this? What, what leads up to it? And then what comes after it
00:23:17.020 and force Altman to answer the question, Joe Allen? Yeah. You know, outside of the,
00:23:23.120 just the, the big picture, just on a practical level, and this is what Brian is talking about
00:23:27.840 on a practical level, what do you do? Uh, you know, I think Max Tegmark makes a really good
00:23:33.340 argument on this future of life Institute. The audience should be well familiar with Max Tegmark
00:23:39.860 at this point. And he says that the key to AI regulation is to leave allowances for tool AI,
00:23:47.220 AI that human beings are in control of narrow AIs for medicine, narrow AIs for financial analysis,
00:23:54.040 things like this. What should be off the table is any AI that is out of human control. And I think
00:24:01.860 that should include control of the populace, that the populace doesn't have a say in what is
00:24:08.540 deployed is, is, is abhorrent. The populace should have a say as to what flies and what does not.
00:24:15.840 Okay, Joe, we got to bounce, uh, right now, where do people go? Social media, all your works,
00:24:21.440 uh, we'll continue this tomorrow.
00:24:24.900 At J O E B O T X Y Z and Joe bot dot X Y Z. Thank you very much, Steve. Thank you very much,
00:24:31.060 Brian.
00:24:31.380 Brian. Brian, you're a lonely voice out there in the, in the middle of this, uh, massive new,
00:24:38.840 uh, post-industrial revolution. Where do people go? Your Twitter feed is on fire about this,
00:24:43.100 particularly the two models of efficiency versus creativity slash productivity. Where do people
00:24:49.280 go, Brian? Yeah. Thanks, Steve. It's on, uh, on X it's, uh, BP Costello. Uh, keep up the good work.
00:24:57.980 Well, we're going to get back to you maybe tomorrow, the next day to go back more through
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00:32:17.220 Okay. Welcome back. Two of my favorite people and two of the most creative people in the country,
00:32:43.720 and particularly the MAGA movement, Phelan McAleer and Anne McElhenney. You guys are filmmakers.
00:32:49.580 You also produce plays. You do, of all the stuff you've done, I love all your material.
00:32:54.640 What you did, I think it was on the MOLA report. You did a live, like, stage reading of it.
00:32:59.960 Yeah, and released it as a podcast. We also did the FBI love boards. You just saw the trailer there.
00:33:04.480 We took the actual text messages of Strzok and Page and their congressional bank.
00:33:10.240 Teenagers.
00:33:11.040 The lovers.
00:33:12.640 Strzok teenagers.
00:33:13.000 Oh, yeah. Fantastic.
00:33:14.180 But also, it's teen romance meets John Le Carrier. You know, oh, Lisa, I love you. Come on.
00:33:20.920 Come on. I'll give you a debriefing in the quiet room, you know, and then let's take down Trump tonight.
00:33:25.620 You know, let's take down your panties and take down Trump tonight.
00:33:28.440 Oh, he went there.
00:33:29.860 Yeah, he did go there.
00:33:32.020 Talk to me about this moment as creatives. We just finished, you know, we've been all over this AI.
00:33:38.740 You guys have always been at the cutting edge of filmmaking, particularly being independent filmmakers, always bootstrapping it.
00:33:46.080 Are we going to lose something of the creative talent of individual filmmakers with this AI?
00:33:51.740 Is it we have the efficiency versus the productivity model?
00:33:55.000 What do you think?
00:33:55.580 There's a lot of people very scared. I mean, you're seeing that from people in Hollywood.
00:33:58.640 They're really worried. Screenwriters are really worried. Actors are worried.
00:34:01.400 I mean, I'm just seeing people like Zach Levy have written a lot about it.
00:34:04.400 He's been talking a lot about it. People, people are, yeah, people are worried about it.
00:34:08.400 However, I think we're, I think we're still in a good place.
00:34:11.100 I think bad, it's going to hurt bad filmmakers and people who write by rote.
00:34:17.440 Yes.
00:34:17.740 You know, it's, it's, and you can see that even.
00:34:20.460 So 90% of broadcast TVs got problems.
00:34:23.040 You know, 90% of a lot of, a lot of these industries, these so-called creative industries are, let's say 60%, because a lot of it's bad.
00:34:29.660 Like, there's so, like, we used to go to the movies all the time.
00:34:32.280 We never go.
00:34:32.700 We don't go now.
00:34:33.240 Because, because, and I say, go to the movies, we'd say, let's go to the movies.
00:34:36.540 And let me say something really controversial.
00:34:38.040 I think the Tom Cruise latest edition of Mission Impossible is awful.
00:34:43.080 Controversial.
00:34:43.440 But hasn't, but hasn't filmmaking, we don't, I, we, I screened the searchers for some people on the TCM.
00:34:51.120 We put it up on a bigger screen and they were absolutely stunned by the photography and the color and not just the acting.
00:34:57.020 The story is amazing.
00:34:57.800 But I, and I told people, you can't make that film today.
00:35:00.960 They're so green screen.
00:35:02.180 The films look awful.
00:35:03.600 Like we don't, the DPs have lost it.
00:35:05.960 Technology has actually destroyed great Halloween filmmaking.
00:35:09.160 Yes.
00:35:09.400 Yeah.
00:35:09.520 No, that's what I'm saying.
00:35:10.280 I mean, this AI will, will, will wipe out bad filmmakers because it's, it's, there's no real skill there.
00:35:17.740 So it's, it'll make us hopefully all raise our game.
00:35:21.060 So we've got about 18 minutes.
00:35:22.840 I want people to get to know you and also support your work.
00:35:25.760 So talk, talk to us.
00:35:26.800 What are you guys, because this moment in history is, be remembered for a hundred years.
00:35:31.420 Yes.
00:35:31.720 We have, and obviously we have never really built to creative chops.
00:35:35.920 Yes.
00:35:36.200 We're trying to do it.
00:35:37.360 You guys are, have been always at the tip of the spear.
00:35:39.400 Where are we now in this historical moment?
00:35:41.960 What are you guys working on and what do you need as far as help goes?
00:35:45.320 Well, I just wanted to say we're here because of Andrew Breitbart, as many of us are.
00:35:49.640 Like we met Andrew in a bar, what was it, 15 years ago?
00:35:52.180 And he said, come to LA.
00:35:53.360 Okay.
00:35:53.960 Yeah.
00:35:54.360 Never look back.
00:35:55.140 Never look back.
00:35:55.960 I mean, literally it was Andrew Breitbart who encouraged us to come here.
00:35:59.780 So as he's a generation talent.
00:36:01.900 Well, I think that, you know, we, we met him in the first time we met him was in Washington,
00:36:06.040 D.C. and I had somebody yesterday describe Washington, D.C. as just a soup of mediocrity.
00:36:11.000 And then in the middle of that, and you can imagine exactly that experience, Andrew walks
00:36:14.740 into this room where everyone was wearing the typical uniform, you know, the, you know,
00:36:18.200 the D.C. uniform.
00:36:19.160 Blue blazer, khaki pants.
00:36:20.480 I was like, I was like, don't just bring me with you, you know?
00:36:24.180 And he basically said, yeah, you guys need to come to LA.
00:36:26.780 And we did come to LA and he introduced the first time we went to LA, he introduced us
00:36:31.200 to John Voight.
00:36:32.820 Yeah.
00:36:33.120 But do you remember the first time we met Andrew?
00:36:35.080 It was in that man's house, which has since burned down.
00:36:37.740 I won't say his name.
00:36:38.560 Yes.
00:36:38.920 From the Palisades.
00:36:39.760 From the Palisades.
00:36:40.480 And Andrew was standing in front of his freezer saying, I'm thinking of setting up this website.
00:36:44.880 The question is whether I should call it after my name or not.
00:36:49.560 Because, like, you've got Drudge Report and Huffington Post and Breitbart.
00:36:52.920 And I was going, I don't think.
00:36:54.140 Which he helped launch both of those.
00:36:55.820 Yes.
00:36:56.180 I don't think Breitbart will work.
00:36:59.040 I literally said to him, I don't think you should call it Breitbart.
00:37:01.740 I was pretty adamant it had to be Breitbart.
00:37:04.240 Listen, he was also got something very deep that nobody in politics got, that culture is
00:37:10.060 upriver from politics.
00:37:11.280 It drives the politics.
00:37:12.580 And it does it in a very powerful way.
00:37:14.340 It's one of the reasons we've been such a great fight.
00:37:17.360 And President Trump has changed the culture a lot.
00:37:19.780 But when we look at high culture and how that rolls down and pop creative culture, we're
00:37:25.200 still relatively nowhere.
00:37:26.820 We're getting there.
00:37:27.540 And we've got leaders like yourselves.
00:37:29.200 So what do we need to do?
00:37:30.260 Well, there's a number of things.
00:37:31.180 By the way, I'm just looking at, you know, the backdrop here.
00:37:33.180 And it makes me think about, you know, we're looking at the image of Jesus there.
00:37:36.660 And I'm thinking, like, at this moment, what's the most evil thing right now that's threatening
00:37:41.600 the whole world?
00:37:42.460 The most evil thing we think is the trans madness that is destroying children forever, making
00:37:49.580 them infertile, making them sterile.
00:37:51.860 You know, just, I mean, isn't that a precursor to transhumanism?
00:37:57.060 Isn't that the preamble?
00:37:58.960 If you can get people to think they can be anything and change anything right away from
00:38:04.060 what their God-given genders and spirits.
00:38:07.000 That's one of the projects we're going to be working on.
00:38:09.220 What are you doing there?
00:38:10.380 We're thinking of doing a documentary with a friend of yours, Miriam Grossman, who's
00:38:14.180 just talking to her.
00:38:15.800 And she basically said, please tell Steve I was asking for him.
00:38:19.100 And she is an amazing person.
00:38:20.780 And I'll tell you one thing.
00:38:21.480 It's like the hand of God, because we interviewed her last week and then she came to Los Angeles
00:38:24.800 and she said, look, I've been thinking of making this documentary.
00:38:27.120 We're like, OK, we're in, you know, because what a great idea.
00:38:30.980 And it's extraordinary what has happened to the medical establishment, how they've been,
00:38:36.560 how they've let everyone down.
00:38:38.160 And I think that's what we've focused on.
00:38:39.160 And tried to destroy her and the people that stood up.
00:38:41.140 Absolutely, that you're, you know, that suddenly you're not, you lose your voice.
00:38:44.700 The pediatric establishment can't be trusted.
00:38:48.580 It's a really scary time for people.
00:38:50.560 Nobody can trust doctors now.
00:38:51.880 I mean, that's funny.
00:38:53.500 What really brought that home to me was the weird thing.
00:38:55.900 When they introduced medical marijuana in California, you had all these pop-up shops
00:39:01.840 where doctors were in there signing prescriptions for people.
00:39:05.280 If they went in and said they had to throw back.
00:39:06.680 And I realized, my God, there's thousands of doctors who will do anything for money.
00:39:10.480 Yeah, we never knew that before.
00:39:12.240 You know, it wasn't our experience.
00:39:13.700 Our families are full of doctors.
00:39:14.940 So we're kind of, you know, they're the good ones.
00:39:16.920 And so when you add in ideology and the God-given complex, you know, I can change people.
00:39:23.240 I know what's best.
00:39:24.600 It's a, it's, you should not trust your doctor, you know, or any doctor or any establishment.
00:39:30.020 If we take your film slate and we take your life theater slate, right, walk us through what you're working on.
00:39:35.120 Because we want people to go to your site, get to know you better.
00:39:37.400 And particularly if they want to participate in funding this or helping produce it or be an executive producer.
00:39:43.400 Thank you.
00:39:43.620 We're a 501c3.
00:39:44.640 So anyone who does donate to us, we're a charity and tax deductible.
00:39:49.040 So it's tax deductible.
00:39:50.120 Tax deductible.
00:39:50.740 I mean, one of the things that people, maybe a lot of people know us from is the Gosnell movie,
00:39:53.940 which we, you know, we wrote a New York Times bestselling book.
00:39:56.700 And we had a movie with Dean Cain starring in the role of Detective Jim Wood, who found this extraordinary doctor, like Mengele character in West Philadelphia.
00:40:05.300 An abortion doctor.
00:40:06.060 An abortion doctor.
00:40:06.940 No, no, no.
00:40:06.980 He was a butcher.
00:40:08.020 And it was, it was, the film was magnificent.
00:40:10.420 Thank you.
00:40:10.780 Hard to watch.
00:40:12.160 Because it was so, I mean, it drew you in as a great film.
00:40:14.940 But the guy is so insane in the way he abused those people, that minority community.
00:40:19.900 Yeah, absolutely.
00:40:20.880 But remember, that came from a cover up by the mainstream media.
00:40:24.440 Like there would be no Gosnell story if the media had funny, if the media had covered it in the first place.
00:40:29.280 You know, and this idea that the cover up of Joe Biden is a shock to the media.
00:40:34.140 They have been, they have been putting their thumb on the scale for decades.
00:40:38.560 They're just getting exposed for it now.
00:40:40.480 And they covered up.
00:40:41.640 They would, didn't go and cover the Gosnell trial.
00:40:44.120 I mean, if it bleeds, it leads.
00:40:46.320 You know, it, it, it, it had abortion.
00:40:48.520 It had murder.
00:40:49.400 It had a minority community.
00:40:50.900 It was Philadelphia.
00:40:51.500 So you could just take the train from New York.
00:40:53.580 I mean, it wasn't like it's, I was out in the middle of nowhere.
00:40:56.380 When you made that film with top talent and you went to get it distributed, what was the response you got?
00:41:02.360 It was worse than Passion of the Christ, right?
00:41:04.140 It was, it was incredible.
00:41:05.040 And actually we did, we did distribute it in theaters.
00:41:07.620 I think 700 theaters across the country.
00:41:09.460 But no one.
00:41:10.140 But weird stuff happened.
00:41:11.500 Like you'd, people, people wrote to us and told us they would arrive at a cinema.
00:41:14.900 They'd have hired a bus and brought up a whole bunch of people to go and see the movie.
00:41:17.900 It wouldn't be up on the, you know, they wouldn't have had, they wouldn't put in the marquee.
00:41:21.340 The guy, people wrote and said that when they went to buy a ticket, the guy said, do you really want to see that?
00:41:25.240 I think you should go and see this thing instead.
00:41:26.740 But like, unbelievable, like the list of things that happened, you know, we had, the unions came after us, by the way, during the filming to try and shut the whole thing down.
00:41:33.860 We lost money there.
00:41:34.960 But I mean, unbelievable.
00:41:36.040 It was, at every level of that film, we found opposition.
00:41:40.580 I think Marx was wrong.
00:41:42.360 It's wrong by many things.
00:41:43.820 You know, it's not who controls the means of production, certainly in entertainment.
00:41:47.760 It's who controls the means of distribution.
00:41:49.640 Yes.
00:41:49.900 You know, because, you know, you know this yourself, Steve, you've been banned from so many social media channels.
00:41:56.380 But when you went to distribute the movie, no distributor at all, although you could see the way to make money in this thing.
00:42:01.480 No, no, no, look, like we, this was a world record crowdfunding, right?
00:42:06.100 This, we raised 2.3 million from, what was it, 70,000, 30,000 people.
00:42:10.480 So we had 30,000 evangelical people who had literally put their money where their mouth was, right?
00:42:15.740 So that's opening weekend tickets right there.
00:42:17.640 Yeah, yeah, right.
00:42:18.160 And by the way, imagine if you had funded a movie.
00:42:21.780 You'd invite five people with you, right?
00:42:24.380 You'd say, this is my movie.
00:42:26.020 Everybody's coming.
00:42:26.740 I'm paying, right?
00:42:28.120 And it's like, it's kind of guaranteed opening weekend, a massive box office.
00:42:32.780 And then keeping it going.
00:42:36.000 No, no, they wouldn't.
00:42:37.440 They wouldn't.
00:42:37.920 No one would, no one would bite.
00:42:39.500 And that's because it was different times.
00:42:42.220 And I think the world is changing a little, you know, but it's still, you're right.
00:42:47.580 And I think you said, what can we do?
00:42:49.300 We're not there.
00:42:50.160 I think we have to allow each other to feel.
00:42:53.340 And we have to allow each other to make bad.
00:42:55.280 The left have been making bad movies.
00:42:56.980 But you don't have that.
00:42:57.820 The problem is you don't have that.
00:43:00.040 The cushion.
00:43:00.700 You don't have the cushion.
00:43:01.780 Every one of your things has to work.
00:43:03.480 They all have worked.
00:43:04.880 And you don't have the ability to make a couple of bombs.
00:43:07.160 I'm not talking about externally.
00:43:08.660 I'm talking about internally.
00:43:10.100 The right are sometimes harder on.
00:43:12.460 Oh, big time.
00:43:13.120 Right culture.
00:43:13.960 Oh, this is not proper culture.
00:43:16.020 You know, yes, if we had 40 years of experience making, or 50 years of experience making.
00:43:21.120 And flooded with money from Soros and from Bloomberg and all these guys.
00:43:25.340 And all those.
00:43:25.820 Because that's something that I've always, I never got the answer to this.
00:43:28.900 But on the left, they really do believe in the arts.
00:43:32.460 And it's huge amounts of money has dropped.
00:43:34.800 On the right, it's really hard.
00:43:35.900 Like, look, I've spoken to donors many times in the past.
00:43:39.080 I don't really give money to movies.
00:43:40.460 And it's like, really?
00:43:41.240 Why not?
00:43:41.660 Because movies will change people's lives.
00:43:43.560 Yes.
00:43:43.980 You know, we've had people basically see the Gosnell movie.
00:43:46.800 I mean, people we actually know who are very pro-abortion.
00:43:50.120 Who said, 90 minutes, they changed their mind about abortion.
00:43:53.520 It's the gospel of Andrew Breitbart.
00:43:55.000 Yes.
00:43:55.600 Culture is upriver from politics.
00:43:57.260 It's not just getting people to vote one time.
00:44:00.060 It's changing.
00:44:00.700 It's having an awakening.
00:44:01.740 The way you do that is great culture.
00:44:03.860 And film can do that.
00:44:05.040 Particularly film where you sit in a theater and have, you know, it comes at you over it.
00:44:09.300 You have the communal experience of watching Gosnell.
00:44:12.560 And you've got young people coming out saying, I'm never going to let this happen again.
00:44:15.740 Yeah.
00:44:16.120 Yeah.
00:44:16.540 And we've also got into the theater, right?
00:44:20.860 Which is, we do verbatim theater.
00:44:22.880 It's kind of a lefty, sacred space.
00:44:25.120 Yes.
00:44:25.320 Oh, I mean, you think the Hollywood is lefty.
00:44:27.940 The theater is, is, is, is the worst, worst of all the arts, I think.
00:44:32.180 Yes.
00:44:32.780 So we, we did Ferguson.
00:44:34.420 So we took the transcripts of the grand jury investigation into the shooting of Michael Brown,
00:44:39.940 which showed hands up, don't shoot.
00:44:42.160 Never happened.
00:44:42.720 Never happened.
00:44:43.720 And, and most of the voices are black voices saying this never happened, that he, he attacked
00:44:49.020 the police officer on several occasions.
00:44:51.040 And as one lady, one lady who spent months dodging a subpoena, but eventually was caught
00:44:56.660 and she had a black liberation tattoo on her arm.
00:44:58.960 And she says, don't get me wrong.
00:45:00.300 I don't want to be here.
00:45:01.200 I don't want to do this.
00:45:01.960 I don't want to, you know, I don't, I hate the cops, but that guy, that guy was going to
00:45:05.760 kill that cop.
00:45:06.360 Yes.
00:45:07.080 And so we did the first rehearsal in LA, uh, nine of the actors walked out after the
00:45:14.140 first rehearsal and this, you know, and this is because the truth didn't match what they'd
00:45:19.580 been told by the media and by the culture.
00:45:22.180 Right.
00:45:22.840 So the, it's an incredibly powerful play, Ferguson, uh, because it's the truth.
00:45:29.540 Where do people go to get access to all your content?
00:45:32.860 And then go on reported story society.com.
00:45:35.540 And, uh, and they get all the films, they get access to everything.
00:45:41.800 Yes.
00:45:42.400 Go through your slate of what you're working on that you want to expose people to say,
00:45:46.540 Hey, here's, here's where we're going.
00:45:48.080 We got a couple of minutes here.
00:45:49.100 Here's where we're going.
00:45:50.200 If, is that also on unreported projects in development?
00:45:53.500 Well, one of the fun things we want to do, by the way, is we want to bring FBI lovebirds
00:45:56.920 back to DC.
00:45:58.080 We think it'd be really fun.
00:45:59.200 For a stage play.
00:45:59.680 Yeah.
00:46:00.000 For a stage play.
00:46:00.820 And, you know, we could have some very interesting people in the starring roles.
00:46:04.600 Um, and it could be a lot of fun because not just that you get a media firestorm.
00:46:08.660 Yes.
00:46:08.880 Yeah.
00:46:09.020 Yes.
00:46:09.360 Yeah.
00:46:09.600 Because it's an incredible story.
00:46:10.800 And no offense.
00:46:11.880 Cash is our buddy.
00:46:12.720 I mean, he was a contributor here for years.
00:46:15.300 And Bongino is a dear friend.
00:46:16.600 We love Bongino, but guys, we got to step it up over there.
00:46:20.460 Yeah.
00:46:20.640 You agree with that?
00:46:21.440 No, totally.
00:46:22.060 Look, um, we need to, I know, I know you're not a big fan of, uh, of Elon, but we need
00:46:28.120 to doge these people.
00:46:29.100 We need to scorch the earth, you know, the fair play to Elon Musk.
00:46:32.000 But you've done all the, you've done Mueller.
00:46:33.860 You've done all these.
00:46:34.740 Don't you think there's enough there to start a grand jury investigation just for what you've
00:46:38.460 put into theater?
00:46:39.280 But the, but the, maybe the statute of limitations has passed, you know, but we need to, I think
00:46:43.120 we need an explanation.
00:46:43.860 If we're not doing it, why we're not doing it, you know, this, it's dirty, dirty, dirty
00:46:51.060 over there.
00:46:51.960 And it's an echo chamber.
00:46:54.180 And, you know, no, it's, it's, there's a lot of bad apples over there.
00:46:58.520 And I don't know if the whole barrel is rotten at this stage that they need to clean house.
00:47:02.920 And, uh, you know, they need to go in and maybe get rid of 50% of, of, of the operatives.
00:47:09.380 I mean, look at when they were doing all that illegal stuff.
00:47:13.080 And the, and the Russia hoax, both investigating the campaign and investigating the president,
00:47:19.140 there was no whistleblower.
00:47:21.020 Think about that.
00:47:21.840 No, I know it.
00:47:22.780 And I don't know whether it's people were frightened or maybe they were true believers.
00:47:26.780 There were a lot of true believers.
00:47:27.900 I think some people were frightened.
00:47:29.540 So what are the two or three things you're trying to launch?
00:47:32.680 I want to make sure this audience gets it.
00:47:34.020 FBI lovebirds.
00:47:35.260 We did a stage it to do a stage here here in, here in DC, have a really fun few nights.
00:47:39.920 We did a play called October 7.
00:47:43.160 After the October 7 massacres in Israel, we went to Israel, interviewed about 20 people
00:47:48.040 and boiled it down to about 14 of the most dramatic stories of that day.
00:47:52.740 Some of them are connected.
00:47:53.800 Some of them are standalone stories.
00:47:55.660 All of them are tales of trauma, heroism, survival, resilience.
00:48:01.260 Could you stage that, right?
00:48:02.440 Yes.
00:48:02.880 Could you stage it again?
00:48:05.440 That's what we'd really like to do.
00:48:06.760 And bring it to DC?
00:48:07.860 Yes.
00:48:08.020 Bring it to DC.
00:48:08.340 Wouldn't the protest be tremendous?
00:48:10.080 Excellent.
00:48:10.720 Excellent.
00:48:11.320 Bring it on.
00:48:11.980 And we'd like to bring it to Ireland, by the way.
00:48:14.300 Ireland, Ireland.
00:48:15.420 Yes.
00:48:16.280 I'd love my native country, but whoa.
00:48:19.020 Wow.
00:48:19.360 Yes.
00:48:19.700 Talk about not pro-Israel.
00:48:22.720 Yes.
00:48:23.460 And as I said, we are the other thing we're working on.
00:48:24.840 Of course, the PLA did train the IRA.
00:48:27.200 Oh, yes.
00:48:28.020 There is some background there.
00:48:29.280 No, no, we have a relationship there.
00:48:31.180 No, but look, Ireland has...
00:48:32.920 You couldn't stage this in Ireland.
00:48:34.440 The cultural guys, firstly, they wouldn't let you guys come back.
00:48:37.220 Well, by the way...
00:48:37.800 If they told you, if you said, I guarantee you, we ought to announce that.
00:48:41.020 Okay, we're going to stage in Dublin.
00:48:43.200 Can we rent the Abbey Theatre?
00:48:45.040 We have history here.
00:48:46.500 We've been there.
00:48:46.760 We've been there.
00:48:47.440 We wrote to them.
00:48:48.460 We had a very lengthy back and forth just to rent the place.
00:48:51.420 Rent us.
00:48:52.060 Because they're dark nights.
00:48:52.880 And by the way, they're desperate for money because all of their money comes from the government.
00:48:56.900 And they're still kind of in debt.
00:48:58.480 So, you know, rent the place out on a dark night.
00:49:01.360 Why not?
00:49:02.800 Eventually, we got the response.
00:49:05.560 This play does not fit in with our artistic ambitions, which we haven't got an answer of what their artistic ambitions are.
00:49:12.620 But we do know what their artistic ambitions were because what was on stage at the time was something made by a Palestinian poet whose ambition was the annihilation of Israel.
00:49:21.980 You know, so there you go.
00:49:22.820 So we know something about their artistic ambitions, but we weren't acceptable.
00:49:25.860 Could you get a theatre here in Washington, D.C. to stage it?
00:49:29.820 We're trying.
00:49:30.680 We're trying.
00:49:31.540 If anyone out there knows a theatre whose ownership...
00:49:35.700 How many actors?
00:49:37.360 For that, 14 actors.
00:49:39.880 14 actors.
00:49:41.180 And funny, there are actors around who will act in this.
00:49:43.980 Oh, yeah.
00:49:44.240 And they love it.
00:49:45.460 And they love it.
00:49:46.180 And, you know, some people are very, very passionate about it.
00:49:48.540 And quite high-profile actors as well, by the way, with acting.
00:49:50.800 Yes.
00:49:50.920 And it's incredible.
00:49:52.100 I really recommend people to go to our website and watch some of the clips from it.
00:49:54.900 It's really, really powerful.
00:49:56.240 Yes.
00:49:56.460 And then the trans thing, as I said, we are working on a documentary.
00:50:00.240 You don't pick any controversial topics, please.
00:50:01.980 No, no.
00:50:02.400 But I think the trans thing, I think it's...
00:50:03.740 Well, first off, the protests on Dr. Grossman's play or whatever, and the protests on October 7th would be...
00:50:10.740 There's probably quite a bit of overlap, you know?
00:50:13.460 Well, there 100% is.
00:50:15.500 Social media.
00:50:16.260 First off, website again.
00:50:17.640 Social media.
00:50:18.420 Yeah.
00:50:19.400 UnreportedStorySociety.com.
00:50:20.460 And also on Twitter.
00:50:21.580 I'm Anne McElhenney on Twitter.
00:50:22.840 Phelan is Phelan McElhear on Twitter.
00:50:24.340 Yes.
00:50:24.760 And we are UnreportedStorySociety on Twitter.
00:50:26.960 And we're kind of, you know, we're everywhere on social media.
00:50:29.460 So you won't have a problem finding us.
00:50:32.440 Unbelievable.
00:50:33.260 One more time.
00:50:34.060 Where do people go?
00:50:36.120 UnreportedStorySociety.com.
00:50:37.080 Go to the October 7th The Play Instagram page, October7theplay.com.
00:50:42.480 So, you know, we want...
00:50:45.360 Look, there's no point in being in this fight if you're not going to fight.
00:50:48.120 If you're not getting hit over the head, you're not doing God's work, you know?
00:50:52.900 You're fighters.
00:50:53.620 You've always been a thing.
00:50:54.420 Thank you so much.
00:50:55.260 You've never backed down.
00:50:57.200 All the stuff you could have done.
00:50:59.000 Yes.
00:50:59.360 And you decided to take on the hardest topics.
00:51:01.040 What I love is that you had the theater, which is my first love.
00:51:04.880 You're right.
00:51:05.220 It's absolutely verboten.
00:51:06.860 There's no conservative voices at all, right?
00:51:10.800 There is in Hollywood.
00:51:11.760 There's some conservative voices in Hollywood, but not in the theater.
00:51:14.400 It is completely taken over.
00:51:16.000 And I'd like to know why someday, but it's just...
00:51:18.400 But the night that we had FBI lovebirds in Washington, D.C., it was like...
00:51:21.340 We did have it once.
00:51:22.400 It was a pantomime.
00:51:25.300 And coming from Ireland with Abby, all the great Irish playwrights.
00:51:28.560 Unbelievable.
00:51:28.980 Okay.
00:51:29.400 We've got tomorrow morning, 10 a.m.
00:51:31.920 Eastern Daylight Time.
00:51:32.920 We'll be back in the war room.
00:51:34.680 See you then.
00:51:34.980 Thank you.
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