Bannon's War Room - June 04, 2025


WarRoom Battleground EP 782：： The FBI’s Hatred Of Catholics Is The Same Evil As The CCP’s Hatred Of Lǎo Bǎi Xìng


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53 minutes

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498

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00:00:00.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
00:00:07.700 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
00:00:12.940 Here's the time I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
00:00:17.200 The people have had a belly full of it.
00:00:19.120 I know you don't like hearing that.
00:00:20.540 I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that,
00:00:22.300 but you're not going to stop it.
00:00:23.240 It's going to happen.
00:00:24.500 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
00:00:27.900 MAGA Media.
00:00:28.800 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
00:00:34.740 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
00:00:38.440 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
00:00:44.840 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.
00:00:53.160 Okay, welcome back.
00:00:54.820 It's 4 June, Year of the Lord 2025.
00:00:57.180 Ben Harner was actually going to be running the deal here,
00:01:00.140 but we've got some breaking news on what is really incredible, what's happening.
00:01:08.120 And now it's just coming out.
00:01:09.320 It's even more stunning.
00:01:10.380 This is about the FBI, Senator Grassley,
00:01:12.680 the attack by the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
00:01:15.900 That's what it was.
00:01:16.760 It was on the traditional Catholic and the traditional Catholic Church and the Latin Mass.
00:01:21.100 It started with an investigation in Richmond, Virginia, by the field office, directed by Chris Ray to tell the field office to look into traditional Catholics.
00:01:32.140 So they actually came up with the idea.
00:01:33.480 The reason is my parents perished, that they helped start when the Latin Mass was officially allowed to happen.
00:01:41.240 But even in the Diocese of Richmond, for decades they had allowed Latin Mass,
00:01:48.560 but they had not only on occasions that they had not allowed actually parishes to do it.
00:01:52.740 My parents were there at the very forefront because they were shocked and stunned
00:01:56.780 when the Catholic Church post-Vatican II went to the new Mass.
00:02:00.860 I mean, they just sat there and they go, what is this?
00:02:02.840 Are we Protestants?
00:02:05.520 And now to find out the depth of trying to go and tie the hobbits,
00:02:12.620 the traditional Latin Mass Catholics, which are the most patriotic people around, to extremism.
00:02:19.660 And I just got to cash for telling these guys, I don't understand Bongino.
00:02:22.740 I don't understand why people are not being perp walked out,
00:02:25.480 why entire sections are not being under investigation in front of grand juries.
00:02:31.220 I just don't get it.
00:02:32.500 And this is across the board on so many things.
00:02:34.380 But this one right here is so obvious, particularly what Grassley brought up.
00:02:38.820 Liz, can you get us up to speed?
00:02:40.480 You've gone through the documents, these new documents.
00:02:42.560 And why does it take Senator Grassley to reveal these?
00:02:44.880 Why didn't Cash Patel put these out day one, ma'am?
00:02:49.580 I don't know.
00:02:50.460 You know, the war room posse, I'm sure, remembers.
00:02:52.300 We were hammering the FBI over this leaked FBI Richmond field memo way back when in 2023.
00:02:59.540 We didn't buy the argument that they tried to sell us, Chris Gray, most importantly,
00:03:04.960 that this was a rogue FBI analyst in a single FBI office.
00:03:10.240 And now we have some of the documents.
00:03:13.740 I think we're still, Steve, at the tip of the spear.
00:03:16.300 This is but a blockbuster reveal by Chairman Grassley.
00:03:21.040 And it turns out that the documents revealed by Chairman Grassley expose the depth and the
00:03:29.080 staggering breadth of the dissemination of this field office memo targeting traditional Catholics
00:03:37.200 as radical terrorists.
00:03:39.200 And remember, OIG Horowitz said, oh, there, you know, there was no malicious intent.
00:03:46.280 There's no evidence of that.
00:03:47.840 Well, guess what?
00:03:48.900 Here we go.
00:03:49.520 Here are the documents that have been released.
00:03:53.060 Number one, FBI analysts in the Richmond field office consulted agents in the Louisville, Kentucky office,
00:04:01.240 the Portland, Oregon office, and the Milwaukee, Wisconsin field office as they crafted this memo.
00:04:10.300 This included gathering also information, not just about the Richmond Catholic Church,
00:04:16.640 but also about Catholic traditional groups from the Louisville field office.
00:04:21.980 There was even, Steve, this is just so infuriating, a slide presentation produced by the Richmond FBI
00:04:29.320 analysts entitled Radical Traditional Catholics, Their Core Concepts.
00:04:34.320 Now, you tell me if this is, you know, radical, conservative family values.
00:04:40.120 And the finding they made was that these core family values are akin to radical Islam ideology.
00:04:50.060 So this is what your FBI thinks about the traditional Catholics.
00:04:54.820 In fact, Steve, also in these documents, it shows that the Milwaukee FBI field office was notified that the FBI analysts in Richmond
00:05:05.320 were preparing this intelligence note related to Catholics.
00:05:10.320 And they also wanted more information.
00:05:13.720 This was, this Richmond memo was distributed to more than 1,000 FBI employees nationwide.
00:05:25.920 And according to Grassley, who states in his letter to Director Patel, that many FBI offices relied on the Richmond memo
00:05:36.920 and placed these Catholic traditional groups under suspicion.
00:05:42.000 And furthermore, according to Grassley, not one person in the FBI raised concerns or negative feedback related to this document.
00:05:54.500 Furthermore, I mean, it's just incredible.
00:05:58.040 Also, there are 13 additional documents that were used using anti-Catholic terminology.
00:06:05.880 And there was the existence of a second draft memo on the same issue for external distribution to the whole FBI.
00:06:16.740 So I want to know, was the FBI analyst who drafted this fired?
00:06:21.860 How about the special agent in charge of the Washington field office, or excuse me, the Richmond field office, who oversaw the scandal?
00:06:29.500 Apparently, apparently he's still in place.
00:06:32.320 But the lead is, is that this targeted operation against probably the most peace-loving, patriotic people in this country was generated because the FBI's intelligence partner was a Southern Poverty Law Center.
00:06:52.720 And Steve, you know, it's unbelievable.
00:06:55.740 And in an email, which was released also from Grassley, the FBI's, here's another office, Buffalo, New York office, discussed the Richmond memo and stated,
00:07:08.640 oh, we have two of the nine hate groups, meaning traditional mass-going Catholics in our area, one in Buffalo and one in Niagara Falls,
00:07:18.820 raising the question, were these groups also placed under surveillance?
00:07:22.960 You know, so Steve, there's many more questions I think that these documents raise.
00:07:29.340 Director Ray repeatedly, according to Grassley, obstructed this investigation by not providing answers for months.
00:07:38.180 Yeah.
00:07:39.020 We all saw his testimony.
00:07:41.360 And no one at this point has paid for this outrageous violation of religious freedom.
00:07:47.180 There's many, there's documents that have been deleted, Steve.
00:07:51.460 Grassley's demanding that they be recovered.
00:07:54.080 I think we really are at the tip of the iceberg.
00:07:57.180 There's much more information that needs to be released.
00:08:00.680 And, you know, I...
00:08:01.460 This is going to be a...
00:08:02.020 This is a massive investigation.
00:08:04.060 All these people got to be imprisoned that did this, going after traditional Catholics.
00:08:09.620 Much more at the FBI that's got to be imprisoned.
00:08:11.660 But this is why I'm just not seeing any activity at all, Dan and Cash.
00:08:16.160 And they say they've got great stuff going behind the scenes.
00:08:18.500 Hey, maybe so.
00:08:19.720 But there's so many obvious low-hanging fruit that should be perp-walked out right now.
00:08:24.680 Liz, what is your...
00:08:25.960 Ben, we're going to turn it over to you.
00:08:27.580 Any comments, observations, Harnwell, on this massive, really, expose that's coming out from Grassley
00:08:34.000 that's a jaw-dropper about what the FBI did for targeting traditional Catholics?
00:08:38.440 Steve, Liz, good evening.
00:08:41.980 Well, firstly, let's just point out here for the viewers to remind them
00:08:44.860 that amongst the many duplicitous events and activities of the FBI in this
00:08:51.800 was the linking, this totally perverse linking of what they call radical traditionalist Catholics
00:08:58.540 along with terrorism, which is something that the FBI was calling threat mitigation
00:09:05.820 and source development.
00:09:07.820 So that was the confection that they were trying to do there, put these two totally
00:09:14.540 extraneous groups together.
00:09:16.540 Steve, I would ask the question when I see something like this taking place from these
00:09:22.160 three-letter agencies, which I would not trust where the barge pole is, were they planning
00:09:26.900 a false flag event in the United States?
00:09:31.140 Having set the pretext, were they then preparing to follow through?
00:09:35.780 So, but I'll just quickly, before I hand back, follow on what you and Liz are saying about
00:09:41.000 the need for trials here, for imprisonments, and that's absolutely the case.
00:09:45.740 It is also the case, I would suggest, that Chris Wray misled Congress in his testimony on
00:09:52.460 this back in July of 2013.
00:09:54.500 He deliberately misled Congress.
00:09:58.000 So, Steve, my first thing to say, and we know the powers of congressional subpoenas, because
00:10:04.180 they put you away for four months because of this, because in obedience to the President
00:10:09.300 of the United States, you didn't intend, let's have some congressional subpoenas.
00:10:14.480 Let's call Chris Wray back to Congress and find out why he was lying.
00:10:18.940 Why was he misleading, effectively, Congress, and why was he misleading the American public?
00:10:26.660 I'd like to see a criminal referral to the Department of Justice.
00:10:30.100 Criminal referral.
00:10:30.980 And I'd like to see FBI begin a full investigation, internal investigation.
00:10:35.360 There's so much going on.
00:10:36.880 Ben, the show's yours.
00:10:38.320 Liz, what's your, where do people go?
00:10:39.800 Because you're analyzing this as we speak.
00:10:41.580 What's your social media?
00:10:42.840 I'm everywhere on Elizabeth Yore on social media, and my website is yourchildren.com.
00:10:51.140 Ben Harnwell, the floor is yours, sir.
00:10:55.980 Thanks very much, Steve.
00:10:57.900 Denver, I wonder if we might be able to bring in my other guests now as we carry on moving
00:11:02.860 forward with the show.
00:11:05.120 Liz, okay, so I can see Frank Walker here.
00:11:08.380 Frank, I'm going to introduce your site.
00:11:10.500 I know you've been on the show before.
00:11:11.520 I'm going to introduce your great, your site, Canon 212, which is absolutely a superb resource.
00:11:19.500 I'm going to give a little bit of an explanation as to what that is later on in the show.
00:11:24.740 But you were listening to The Exchange now.
00:11:26.680 You were listening to what Liz Yore was saying about Chris Ray's misleading testimony to Congress.
00:11:33.380 What's your view here of a federal agency paid for by American taxpayers misleading the American
00:11:42.060 public and doing this conflation between terrorism, anti-abortion, and traditional Catholicism?
00:11:52.440 And I know that Liz Yore has a particular insight on this.
00:11:55.160 We'll come back to her in a moment.
00:11:56.320 But Frank, give me your reading straight away.
00:11:58.020 What was your response when you saw this break?
00:12:02.000 Well, I wasn't surprised to see the extent of it either.
00:12:05.600 I think it probably goes a lot more, a lot deeper, not only into American government and
00:12:11.720 society, but also into the church.
00:12:13.940 Because why do they isolate this small group of Catholics to sort of hit them every way
00:12:22.680 that they possibly can, even if they have to be completely dishonest?
00:12:26.220 What is it that they're afraid of?
00:12:28.420 Why do they hate us so much?
00:12:30.040 And what does that say about the difference between the faithful Latin mass Catholics and
00:12:35.560 the rest of the church, the Leo church, the Francis church?
00:12:39.100 I think it says that they've been really involved in the larger church.
00:12:44.320 I think that church is a lot like what they want.
00:12:48.220 And when you see, especially the way the media has been responding to the new Pope Leo, they're
00:12:53.880 just, they remind me of Operation Mockingbird Media Assets.
00:12:58.760 You can see the deep state working in the Catholic, faithful Catholic media.
00:13:03.200 Why?
00:13:03.720 I think that they really, they fear the influence of the faithful Catholic voter.
00:13:10.700 And that's my only guess so far.
00:13:13.620 That means so much to them that they're even like they do in Germany against the IFDF, that
00:13:17.940 that party, those group of people, they are not allowed to participate in society whatsoever.
00:13:23.260 They must be crushed.
00:13:25.200 You ask the rhetorical question, Frank, why do they hate us?
00:13:29.240 And I can tell you why, you know, why in the United States, why they hate you.
00:13:34.200 Because you're good, decent, hardworking people.
00:13:38.800 That's why the regime hates you.
00:13:40.920 And today is a perfect day to remember this.
00:13:42.620 What is it?
00:13:43.120 The 4th of June today, right?
00:13:44.920 This is the, I think, the 36th anniversary of Tiananmen Square, right?
00:13:49.460 What a perfect day to remember that.
00:13:50.960 Because it's exactly the same reason why a corrupt, godless, atheist regime hates Chinese people,
00:13:58.480 the ordinary, decent, working people in China.
00:14:00.560 It's the same hatred.
00:14:02.000 I would suggest, Frank, it has a preternatural basis to it.
00:14:07.200 It's elementally satanic, I think.
00:14:09.820 When you see these godless, atheist regimes punishing the most decent, ordinary, hardworking members of their population,
00:14:18.940 there is a hatred in that dynamic, I think, that goes beyond the ordinary, intra-human relationships, the hatred that comes out.
00:14:30.820 I think there's a spiritual element to that.
00:14:33.300 And on this day, you know, I would definitely like to mention that.
00:14:36.160 Liz, let me come back to you, because I know that you have a thesis here, which I'd like for you to bring on to the war room.
00:14:45.020 But exactly, because your thesis, if I've understood this correctly, is that this isn't simply the FBI punishing traditionalist Catholics, is it?
00:14:55.500 You seem to, you've put your finger on this, you believe that actually there might well have been some kind of coordination.
00:15:03.480 Let me put it like that, coordination.
00:15:06.160 With the Catholic Church hierarchy itself.
00:15:09.400 Tell us a bit more about that, will you?
00:15:12.720 Sure.
00:15:13.300 You know, we know about Traditiones Custodas, the encyclical from Pope Francis, that literally crushed the Latin Mass around the world.
00:15:22.100 Specifically, Francis was concerned about the Latin Mass not only thriving with young people in the United States, but also in Europe.
00:15:31.500 It was, and we have seen the suppression of the Latin Mass, even this week, coming from the Diocese of Charlotte.
00:15:41.280 So there is a hatred, I would say, by the deep state and deep church of the traditional Catholics.
00:15:49.220 The timing is just, it's just too coincidental as far as I'm concerned.
00:15:54.980 When you have Traditiones Custodas being imposed in 2023, and then you see using the strong arm of the FBI to impose, you know, a weaponization and intimidation of Catholics.
00:16:10.880 You know, it's not unlike what's going on in China.
00:16:14.620 One of the things that you cannot do in a Latin Mass is strip the altar of all the sacramentals and all the beauty and transcendency.
00:16:23.020 But what are we seeing in China?
00:16:26.500 Xi Jinping, who wants to be the god of all, is stripping the patriotic church of even its sacramentals.
00:16:35.120 And so there is, and we know that the CCP's partner is the Catholic Church with this suicidal deal that they made for the CCP, the atheistic CCP, to appoint its own, the Catholic bishops.
00:16:55.560 We now have a Catholic cardinal appointed and approved by the CCP, who sat in the conclave to elect a new pope.
00:17:07.300 So we know that the deep church, the hierarchy of the church, hates the traditional Catholics.
00:17:14.280 We know that they have worked in collusion with the Obama administration, certainly in the Biden administration, in coordinating the mass invasion of migrants.
00:17:27.000 They've worked on a lot of these issues that have undermined freedom and undermined the integrity of the United States.
00:17:34.140 But there is a certain hatred of the Catholic traditional church that is, I think, and I think it is because it is the one spiritual, physical obstacle to the one world religion.
00:17:50.860 And that's why they need to crush it and suppress it.
00:17:55.100 And I think that's what's going on.
00:17:56.320 And as we dig deeper into these documents and ask more questions, I think there is going to be some collusion that will surface.
00:18:05.820 Liz, our Lord said, didn't he?
00:18:08.640 No servant is greater than his master.
00:18:11.320 If they hate you, if they hate me, they will hate you.
00:18:15.380 That's, I think, the fundamental origin of this, certainly in this context that we're talking about with regards to the FBI.
00:18:22.700 Look, I just want to give a few words now, which we didn't do at the beginning.
00:18:25.620 We're going to try something new with the war.
00:18:28.400 Maybe every Wednesday evening, I think six to seven, as we go out, we're going to be looking, deep diving into what's going on,
00:18:38.760 these spiritual elements that underlie the political scene.
00:18:44.360 Especially, I think a lot of people are focusing on this after the death of Bergoglio and the election of Leo XIV.
00:18:52.400 So as we were covering that very intensely, we're going to be keeping our eyes open.
00:19:00.860 And that is exactly the point I want to make now as we just finish off this first half of the show.
00:19:08.120 I'm going to ask you both this.
00:19:09.360 A lot of people are suggesting, and the war room isn't one of them, and Canon 212 isn't one of them,
00:19:16.860 but a lot of people are suggesting that we should give Leo time.
00:19:21.780 You know, we should perhaps not be so haste to judge.
00:19:24.580 After all, he wore the red mozzetta, which is the little velveteen, red velveteen cape,
00:19:31.120 sort of shoulder cape that he came out on the loggia.
00:19:35.240 It's a subject for another time.
00:19:36.900 Frank Walker, when I hear the words red mozzetta, I reach for my gun.
00:19:41.000 Tell me, on the back of what is going on today with this Senator Grassley revelations,
00:19:48.680 tell me, or tell the people who are suggesting bombarding us with messages on social media,
00:19:55.760 who say we should be a little slower in holding Leo XIV, who is an American, to account.
00:20:04.240 What would you like to, you know, what would your advice be to them?
00:20:06.520 Here is a great story for Leo really to show the Catholic faithful which wind he's tacking to.
00:20:15.760 Give me three minutes.
00:20:16.980 What would your advice be to all the give Leo, all we're asking is give Leo a chance brigade.
00:20:22.600 What would your advice be to them and to the Vatican following the story?
00:20:27.180 What intervention do you think can be made from the Vatican on behalf of ordinary, put-upon, persecuted American Catholics?
00:20:38.940 In just a word, just a word would be an awful lot.
00:20:43.360 If you could just mention the fact that the FBI has been persecuting faithful Catholics,
00:20:48.600 I don't expect to hear that at all.
00:20:50.600 I think that the people that are saying that he's, they just need to go slow,
00:20:56.800 they just need to pay attention to the things that he says.
00:21:01.560 He's, you know, every day I wake up and I think maybe they're right about him.
00:21:06.620 Maybe he's going to, you know, not be so doctrinally, you know, destructive as Francis.
00:21:13.940 And, you know, if he just said, if he just did everything that Francis did and nothing new,
00:21:20.040 that would be perfectly terrible if he did that.
00:21:23.360 Today he's made a speech and he's taken the parable of the vineyard where the different people were hired at different times of the day.
00:21:31.780 And he's turned that into a communist, you know, tirade against capitalism.
00:21:38.060 And he says, well, God is teaching us that we need to wait for him or, you know, he waits for us.
00:21:45.520 And it's just, you know, even today, every day he comes out with something new.
00:21:50.740 So if he just said a word about what they're doing in the, with the FBI, that would be wonderful.
00:21:56.600 But I don't expect to see it because he's busy crushing the mass at the same time.
00:22:00.800 If you look at everything that he said so far about synodality, about ecumenism, you know,
00:22:07.640 he met with a bunch of Jewish people yesterday.
00:22:09.820 He wants them to give their canonization to one of Benedict's saints.
00:22:14.740 I mean, not Benedict's, one of Francis's fake saints.
00:22:18.480 He's, he's all about the Ukraine war, but he's on the Ukraine side.
00:22:23.420 And even Francis was better than that.
00:22:25.780 He affirms the death penalty heresy.
00:22:27.880 He's about fake news, disarmed communications.
00:22:31.580 He, he wants to put Jesus over doctrine.
00:22:34.000 Yesterday he came up with this horrible thing saying that if you're, if you, if you appeal to doctrine,
00:22:38.760 then you'll never win everybody over this.
00:22:40.260 You'll have a moralistic, burdensome, unappealing religion.
00:22:43.680 As if that were something that, that, you know, as if following Christ is something different than that.
00:22:49.480 Um, yeah, I don't, I don't see how they, I don't see how they see that, that this guy,
00:22:53.740 they need to go slow at this guy.
00:22:56.020 Only the press, only the media.
00:22:57.880 You, you, you, you just, you, you just mentioned, um, how, um, how voluble, um, and how talkative
00:23:05.280 Leo the 14th is.
00:23:07.200 And yet on crucial issues seems to be strangely silent.
00:23:10.800 Just before we go over to, to give the last word in this half to Liz, just tell me, does
00:23:16.180 that remind you of anybody?
00:23:18.140 Someone who frankly would never shut up, but on the actual issues where you might've appreciated
00:23:23.340 a word, uh, was nowhere to be seen.
00:23:25.580 Who does that remind you of?
00:23:26.860 Frank Walker.
00:23:29.000 Reminds me of Francis.
00:23:30.760 Francis would never shut up.
00:23:32.540 Yeah, definitely.
00:23:33.180 He's definitely like Francis.
00:23:35.300 And, uh, yeah.
00:23:36.420 And, and there's so many people out there that will say that, you know, he's just, uh,
00:23:40.640 he's more to the one side.
00:23:42.420 He's more, more opus dei, more neocon than, than neolib.
00:23:46.720 But that's, I think, I think, I think he's more, he's more intelligent.
00:23:50.720 Um, and therefore than Francis and therefore being more intelligent, he's more subtle.
00:23:57.400 Liz, um, I know you've got to go just, just, can you just in the, in the closing moments,
00:24:01.740 give me just two minutes now, what would you like to see from Pope Leo XIV on this issue?
00:24:09.800 And what would your advice be to Kash Patel?
00:24:12.620 What do you want to see both from him as FBI director and, and, and Francis to show that
00:24:18.200 they are, um, there's really, really a substantial change in both of their respective offices?
00:24:24.300 Well, heads need to roll both in the Vatican and in, in the FBI for those that have been
00:24:29.800 persecuting, um, the faithful, holy, traditional Catholics with big families.
00:24:35.540 Number one, first thing I want to see from this Pope is a repeal of Traditiones Custodas,
00:24:41.720 which is the, a suppression of the Latin mass, which has become, now what CEO would take a
00:24:48.880 product off the shelf that is selling wildly, that is beloved by its consumers?
00:24:55.000 That's precisely what they're doing with the Latin mass, which makes you really wonder what
00:24:59.560 are the motivations.
00:25:00.640 So immediately he should, um, repeal Traditiones Custodas.
00:25:05.920 Um, he should, um, with respect to the FBI, heads have to roll.
00:25:10.140 I mean, the, the whistleblowers, Frank and Ben are still on indefinite unpaid leave.
00:25:17.720 Um, this is outrageous.
00:25:20.180 This is outrageous.
00:25:21.620 And, you know, with Leo had the advantage of following, you know, what we have often
00:25:27.720 talked about is the unstable Pope Francis.
00:25:30.780 Um, and just because he has a nicer and kinder, um, gentler voice does not mean that the dogma,
00:25:40.760 the actions of Francis should not be immediately repealed and addressed.
00:25:47.840 And I mean, you know, he's a young man.
00:25:49.400 He's 69 years old.
00:25:50.940 Get to it.
00:25:52.000 Repeal the China deal.
00:25:53.720 Repeal Traditiones Custodas.
00:25:56.180 Repeal and answer all the dubia questions that were submitted way back, how many thousands
00:26:01.520 of days ago, um, by, um, Bishop Archibald Burke, um, go through, uh, all the climate change
00:26:09.760 nonsense and repeal it, um, and, and to restore, uh, really tradition and reverence back to
00:26:19.280 the Catholic Church.
00:26:20.920 Liz, and how about these two things to your superb list?
00:26:24.280 A public, um, exorcism to atone for the profanity of Pacamama.
00:26:31.040 And also, how about this, Leo?
00:26:33.300 Lift the excommunications against the great hero of the faith, Archbishop Viganò.
00:26:38.200 Look, Liz, uh, quickly, 20 seconds.
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00:30:48.780 Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
00:30:51.180 Welcome back.
00:30:59.820 So, I'm joined, as I was in the first half, with Frank Walker, the founder and editor of Canon 212,
00:31:07.940 and by Jenny Holland.
00:31:10.140 Jenny, the War Room Posse will remember, I think probably had one of the greatest hits we've had since I've been guest hosting
00:31:19.500 as an atheist who prays the rosary every day, and is very happy to talk about the spiritual fruits of praying the rosary.
00:31:28.420 That's a fascinating story, and I think we're going to be sort of leaning on that, Jenny,
00:31:33.180 just in a few moments when we dive into this story here about why Gen Z is turning to the faith.
00:31:42.920 But first, Frank, let's start off with you, because there's this development here in the UK that happened this week
00:31:48.860 in the magistrates' courts, and I think it's absolutely astonishing.
00:31:53.060 Do you want to just give us a quick intro to what happened here in my beloved homeland?
00:32:00.200 Well, it sounds to me like he's an Armenian in the UK, and he's a regular activist against Islamization,
00:32:09.940 which is in the UK and in Ireland, I know it's a big deal.
00:32:14.740 In the United States, it's not so much, we don't think of it so much, but there it's becoming quite a problem.
00:32:20.520 And as part of his effort to get everything going, he burned the Quran, and he was attacked for this.
00:32:30.620 And they said he was probably attacked with a knife, but they haven't made that perfectly clear or not.
00:32:35.840 And I think they said maybe it wasn't, and I don't know.
00:32:38.800 But they were both arrested, and he was charged and convicted of causing a disturbance
00:32:45.920 and also sort of a hate crime in that country, because it was an Islamist thing.
00:32:52.540 And that really, it was done by, I think it's called the CPS, which is not really the, it's an illegal ruling against him,
00:33:03.160 because there's a, they canceled blasphemy laws about 10 or 15 years ago.
00:33:07.640 They had something akin to a blasphemy law in the UK.
00:33:10.760 But they said that, no, it was the public nature of it that made it illegal, and the fact that it upsets them.
00:33:17.180 So I guess if you upset somebody enough in the UK, you can, it's illegal these days.
00:33:24.200 And so that, that, that, that, that, it only, it, it only depends who you upset.
00:33:28.900 Yeah, that's right.
00:33:30.560 Not, not, not, not all, not all degrees are, not all degrees are equal, I'm afraid, in the UK.
00:33:36.400 This is, this is absolutely fascinating.
00:33:38.080 So here's a guy who was convicted of a racially aggravated public order offence.
00:33:46.780 Now, hold on to those words, right?
00:33:48.700 A racially aggravated public order offence.
00:33:52.580 Because you mentioned the CPS for our American viewers, that's the Crown Prosecution Service, it's the state prosecutor.
00:33:59.120 And they basically said, they quote this, I won't read it out, because I, half of my salary already goes into the SIG swear box.
00:34:07.600 I'm not, I'm not going to risk losing any more of my income.
00:34:11.140 But it's basically F-Islam, and Islam is a religion of terrorism.
00:34:16.640 And you look at those quotes that he said, and you think, hang on, where's the racial element in this?
00:34:26.220 The guy was convicted of racially aggravated public order offence, and his criticism is against Islam.
00:34:38.420 I don't know how to break this to my beloved homeland, but Islam is not a race, it's a religion.
00:34:45.180 So I think that's absolutely clear, this is absolutely clear, that it's a return to blasphemy laws via the backdoor.
00:34:53.020 As you correctly said, I think they were abolished in the UK some 50 years ago.
00:34:57.680 One of the reasons that we know that what the CPS is doing is trying to bring in blasphemy via the backdoor,
00:35:07.220 is because they originally charged this guy, who's an atheist, with harassing the religious institution of Islam.
00:35:16.700 And the judge basically said, well, you know, you can't quite do that.
00:35:20.720 So they changed, they simply took the same material and represented it under a different prosecution heading.
00:35:28.280 Jenny, look, tell me, so this guy's an atheist, from one atheist to another.
00:35:34.920 What's your reading of, do you like the segue there?
00:35:38.400 What's your reading of this story?
00:35:41.740 Because you're in London right now.
00:35:43.060 Tell me your perception of where we are now in the UK.
00:35:49.520 Well, if anyone was surprised by the prosecution of this man, they shouldn't be.
00:35:55.080 I think the situation in the UK is fairly well known in terms of its crackdown on,
00:36:01.140 not just on free speech, but particularly free speech committed by a particular demographic.
00:36:06.780 Against certain protected other demographics.
00:36:11.820 And Ben, you and I months ago spoke about the demographic reality of the United Kingdom
00:36:17.340 and the booming Muslim population.
00:36:20.540 So, and the political power that comes along with that, that is a reality.
00:36:28.040 And that is melding with a censorious, captured professional managerial class, much like the United States has,
00:36:38.460 specifically the judiciary.
00:36:39.860 So this is not, this is 100% a foregone conclusion.
00:36:43.260 I'd also like to remind everyone that there is to this day a young British school teacher
00:36:48.420 who is living essentially in witness protection program because he dared to show a Charlie Hebdo cartoon
00:36:55.760 to his students at a small village grammar school in West Yorkshire.
00:37:01.980 So a Bately grammar school teacher caused such outrage that he had to go into hiding with his partner
00:37:10.060 and young children and fears for his life.
00:37:12.760 And I think that was about four years ago.
00:37:14.640 So if your life can be in danger in West Yorkshire for showing a cartoon because of the class topic of blasphemy,
00:37:25.040 then that gives you an indication of where the UK is at.
00:37:28.500 Yeah, I want to point out that, you know, Frank mentioned this in his introduction to this particular case,
00:37:37.880 that there's apparently a passerby whose background isn't referred to other than him being a passerby,
00:37:46.720 but apparently he was carrying a knife.
00:37:48.820 I will let the warring possibly draw their own conclusions and fill in the backstory from these elemental facts as they stand.
00:37:58.500 What is fascinating to me, you know, of all the horrific elements of this story,
00:38:02.880 what is perhaps the most astonishing to me is that the guy who was criticising Islam was convicted on Monday, right?
00:38:13.760 Two days ago.
00:38:14.600 The guy who knifed him, who can't be mentioned for, you know, because you've got to have a fair trial.
00:38:25.960 Presumably that's why they've not mentioned him, his name.
00:38:29.660 He's not going to get trial until 2027.
00:38:32.940 So the CPS, the Beloved Crown Prosecution Service of the UK,
00:38:38.340 you can really see how they're prioritising the most serious offences first, right?
00:38:42.500 Let's get the guy who said some nasty words, right?
00:38:47.320 Let's convict him and then we'll move on to the guy with the knife.
00:38:52.220 Absolutely shocking.
00:38:54.360 And I guess, I guess it'd probably be slightly exaggerated to say coming to the United States,
00:39:00.040 coming to a town near you.
00:39:01.700 But there are elements, there are places in the US where this sort of thing,
00:39:06.680 if these dynamics continue, where these things will be seen, I think.
00:39:10.840 Frank, what's your take on that?
00:39:12.520 Well, I think they did the equivalent of a Freedom of Information Act request to see how often this kind of thing is happening in the UK
00:39:21.280 and how many charges like this are prosecuted.
00:39:24.000 And they said there were so many that they couldn't count them.
00:39:27.800 They wouldn't really give it to them.
00:39:29.080 So behind the scenes, it's like Sharia law happening in the UK.
00:39:33.040 And I think, you know, in an issue like this with the, you know, I think you can burn a Bible.
00:39:38.940 But if you have a Muslim population in their communities, you cannot burn a Quran.
00:39:46.720 You're always going to provoke this kind of response.
00:39:48.940 So I would expect that one way or another, you can't have a democracy in this kind of a situation.
00:39:55.380 And in the United States, it would probably happen one way or another eventually,
00:39:59.200 that they would maybe like they're in the UK, get around the laws,
00:40:02.380 have sort of shadow governments and Sharia law in the background and do whatever they can
00:40:07.060 if they want to keep bringing in a Muslim population.
00:40:10.340 I don't see how freedom of speech can be handled in this kind of environment, you know.
00:40:16.200 So we'll get that.
00:40:17.020 You know what, I think, I was going to mention this at the end of the show,
00:40:21.240 but I think now is the right time to talk about the Open Doors report,
00:40:25.580 which is an annual report by this international human rights organization
00:40:29.640 that monitors Christian persecution on a global scale.
00:40:34.680 And this report highlights the fact that 380 million Christians face,
00:40:41.240 currently facing, present tense, brutal persecution.
00:40:44.240 Where in the world are they facing this persecution?
00:40:50.800 Well, in the top 10 countries, it's all our old friends.
00:40:55.320 Yet again, it's the religion of peace.
00:40:59.200 Apart from one country in that top 10, which is North Korea.
00:41:03.880 So, you know, take your look, Christians around the world,
00:41:06.540 you know, it's either going to be Islam or it's going to be the communists.
00:41:11.380 And that is the situation.
00:41:13.060 You know, again, again, you know, Frank, I want to come to this.
00:41:17.920 Excuse me, Jenny, I want to come to this story now about Generation Z.
00:41:22.240 But before I do, this would be another story of if we had more time to say this is something
00:41:28.620 before people fall over themselves saying, oh, you know, isn't the Holy Leo so wonderful
00:41:36.480 and so great and such a refreshing change.
00:41:38.800 This is something that he could actually intervene on, I think, directly.
00:41:42.120 This Christian persecution story and name names.
00:41:48.260 Jenny, tell me now, as I said, you're an atheist.
00:41:51.860 You pray the rosary every day and you get the spiritual fruits from that.
00:41:58.020 Tell me about this article in the Financial Times today, which I think is, not today, excuse me,
00:42:06.120 from a couple of days ago, which is particularly, I think, interesting on a number of points.
00:42:11.020 Why don't you just give us a quick outline of the details?
00:42:15.780 But as a segue, I just want to say that we need to focus the blame where it's due.
00:42:22.380 And that is the British professional managerial class, which, much like the American one,
00:42:27.440 is very self-loathing and demoralized and has no sense of pride in their history or their nation.
00:42:34.180 And that's who is allowing these terrible things to happen against people in the United Kingdom.
00:42:42.680 And I think just to move on to the Gen Z story, I think there is a sense in the ether among people
00:42:52.120 who are able to see and able to kind of sidestep the massive cultural programming that we're all subjected to,
00:42:59.260 they're able to see the demoralization, the greater demoralization within mainstream society and the emptiness of it.
00:43:08.040 And that's putting it mildly because it ranges from empty to horrifying.
00:43:12.400 If you want to go down and look at, you know, sex change surgeries for children and ninth month abortions
00:43:19.780 and things that are sort of horrific and barbaric.
00:43:23.960 And I think young people are looking up at their elders and finding us lacking.
00:43:30.160 And they are not wrong to do so, by the way.
00:43:32.580 They are actually correct to do so.
00:43:34.160 So this FT story was very interesting, partly because also at least one of the protagonists in this report
00:43:43.200 described herself as a queer polyamorist.
00:43:47.260 So I don't know how that works with her Christian conversion, but I would be curious to find out more.
00:43:53.560 But again, young people are searching.
00:43:56.200 In fact, they're fleeing.
00:43:57.260 They're fleeing the identities that they have been given by this toxic identity politics society.
00:44:04.780 They're desperate to recreate themselves.
00:44:07.920 And if they're finding that rebirth, which is what one of these people who was interviewed for the FT was basically describing,
00:44:16.300 being able to recreate a self through Christian baptism, then that is the best possible outcome.
00:44:23.360 Because at least then this person, this individual, then hopefully adopts a sane and humane moral framework,
00:44:32.640 which then will ripple out to the wider society.
00:44:40.160 Frankie, it says here in this article that Generation Z's attendance at church has quadrupled in recent years.
00:44:47.560 And it's shaping up to be the first new generation in a very long time to be making the country more, not less, religious.
00:44:55.800 Is it going to be enough?
00:44:58.640 Well, I agree with what Jenny said completely just now.
00:45:04.760 And I think when you have very secular people, I mean, in that Financial Times article,
00:45:10.680 I think they have a Princeton Divinity School person who had become a Catholic and she's, I mean, she's bringing a lot of baggage up to the Catholic mass,
00:45:21.560 which is already sort of, you know, the new mass.
00:45:24.820 And but there's graces in that.
00:45:26.800 So I think if whatever form it's taking right now, if they're getting closer to saying the rosary, going to the mass,
00:45:34.060 it's going to improve the situation quite a bit.
00:45:36.960 But, you know, they say a lot of the priests are a lot more conservative, the younger ones.
00:45:41.660 You know, I don't know, you know, when I see across the media poll like this, I question, you know, how accurate it is.
00:45:50.900 But, you know, it's a long way to go from Divinity School at Princeton to a faithful Catholic.
00:45:57.740 But I think that, like the articles are saying, they've grown up in this family situation that's so destroyed.
00:46:07.320 And they're also, after the COVID, they're seeing such tyranny.
00:46:10.980 And these things are driving them closer and closer.
00:46:13.780 And God, even without anybody's help, is going to work in their, can work in their life and work miracles.
00:46:19.440 Just looking, even though as secular people, just looking at their own virtues and their own sacrifices and giving them some mercy, he can really bring them a long way.
00:46:29.060 So I think that, you know, the progress is good.
00:46:34.120 That's what I'm saying.
00:46:35.820 Yeah, yeah, for sure.
00:46:37.780 For sure.
00:46:38.440 I can't help but think, you know, if the church had been exactly as it was in 1962, and if the Second Vatican Council had never taken place, I just think what an amazing citadel of attraction it would be to a lost secular age.
00:46:58.800 As Jenny was sort of saying earlier, this, the meaninglessness of just the godless, atheistic values of our parents' and grandparents' generations, which is now all kids, especially kids now, sort of millennials' generation, seeing what have you, that's their inheritance.
00:47:20.040 They sort of, I think, have the feeling that the family gold has been sold, and all they've been left with is a handful of coloured beans, which are absolutely meaningless to them.
00:47:32.780 And, you know, I know sort of people a lot younger than me who go to, you know, try to step into a Catholic church, perhaps thinking, knowing something of it via media.
00:47:45.080 And it's not what, you know, it's just sort of platitudinous, and there's not really the depth there.
00:47:55.400 Exactly.
00:47:56.080 You know, if the church hadn't made that mistake, huge mistake in the 60s, I just think it would, you know, if it had so much more of the visibility, the visible unchangingness of it, it would be a huge draw to people.
00:48:12.920 And many people are going to Islam.
00:48:14.520 I mean, this is the thing coming back to, you know, to Islam.
00:48:19.600 For three decades, it has been the fastest growing religion in the UK, because Islam famously doesn't really move with the time.
00:48:29.060 And yet that, in a countercultural sense, can actually be appealing.
00:48:34.820 I think it is appealing.
00:48:36.080 So we have this absurd situation where a fake religion, a false faith, a false religion, in a certain sense, is more appealing because of the way it is presented than the true faith, the true revelation to mankind in Jesus Christ.
00:48:52.480 Jenny, just give me just 30 seconds, if you will.
00:48:54.960 So what do you see here, because I think this is a fascinating dynamic, about the fact that these guys and young guys, young men specifically, who are accelerating ahead of women on the religiousness metric, does that strike you as odd or something that you'd expect to see?
00:49:13.180 No, it doesn't strike me as odd at all.
00:49:16.280 It tracks very much with a lot of research that says that young men are far more politically and socially conservative as well than young women, who are getting more liberal and more left-wing.
00:49:26.660 But also, you know, I have a young man, son, and they need and they yearn for meaning and structure.
00:49:35.640 And they respond well to anything that will give them that, actually.
00:49:41.840 They are also they're being bombarded with the most debased and extreme promiscuity that I think the world has ever seen in the history of humanity.
00:49:54.420 And for a large number of young men and boys, this is a disgusting turnoff.
00:49:59.920 This is not something that brings them joy and happiness and pleasure.
00:50:04.240 They find it repellent and rightly so.
00:50:06.960 So they're seeking a refuge from this onslaught because they're essentially being psychically experimented on in a huge number of ways.
00:50:16.780 And the ones that can see that happening are going to flee to a saner, safer haven and moral structure.
00:50:28.220 Jenny, I wish we had more time to break this down.
00:50:31.960 Perhaps the two of you would be kind enough to join me at the same time next week.
00:50:36.120 Jenny, you're the author of Saving Culture From Itself.
00:50:39.260 You write for Spike.
00:50:41.560 You also have a Substack.
00:50:43.520 Just tell us what the Substack is, where people can get hold of your analysis.
00:50:49.340 It's Saving Culture From Itself.
00:50:51.200 And the URL is my name, Jenny E. Holland at Substack.
00:50:55.680 Sorry, .substack.com.
00:50:58.180 Jenny, many thanks.
00:50:59.220 Frank Walker, I have to say, folks, I say this to evangelicals listening as much as I say this to Catholics.
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00:51:11.020 It is the best resource out there.
00:51:13.560 I know you must get sick, Frank, of people calling you the Catholic Matt Drudge.
00:51:18.780 But just tell me, just in 10 seconds, the site and the other site that you write for where people can get hold of your analysis.
00:51:27.020 I cannot recommend Canon 212 enough.
00:51:30.740 Thank you, Ben.
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