Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 788： American's Bearing The Burden Of Foreign Cost

00:00:00.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:00:07.700 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.

00:00:12.920 I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.

00:00:17.200 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:00:19.120 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:00:20.540 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that,

00:00:22.300 but you're not going to stop it.

00:00:23.240 It's going to happen.

00:00:24.500 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?

00:00:27.900 MAGA Media.

00:00:28.800 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:00:34.680 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:00:38.440 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:00:44.800 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.

00:00:53.760 Welcome to the War Room.

00:00:55.140 It's Thursday, June 12th in the year of our Lord, 2025.

00:00:58.800 It's Natalie Winters hosting for the fourth and final hour of War Room today,

00:01:03.660 though I think we're probably still just scratching the surface of everything that is going on at here,

00:01:08.640 home, abroad, you name it.

00:01:10.560 But before we get into what is transpiring in the Middle East,

00:01:14.260 I want to start with probably a War Room all-time favorite.

00:01:17.020 That is, of course, the one and only Dr.

00:01:19.240 Naomi Wolf.

00:01:20.380 The legacy media, mainstream media, whatever you want to call them,

00:01:23.440 they're in complete apoplexy and meltdown over what RFK, Secretary RFK Jr.,

00:01:30.020 decided to do when it came to the CDC Vaccine Advisory Board.

00:01:35.160 It's maybe touching like the fourth rail for some of these people in the media,

00:01:39.280 or the biopharmaceutical industrial complex.

00:01:42.400 I wanted to bring you on to get your thoughts to sort of break down the significance of this move,

00:01:47.200 if you think there is any to it, and why they're in such meltdown.

00:01:52.020 It's so funny, Natalie, and thank you for having me back.

00:01:55.080 I'm delighted to be with you.

00:01:56.280 The hardcore Maha advocates are kind of anxious.

00:02:04.240 It seems like a very beautiful step in the right direction.

00:02:07.140 A lot of these names on the ACIP committee,

00:02:12.860 the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices,

00:02:16.860 that RFK Jr. has identified as being people to serve

00:02:24.260 under his oversight, essentially.

00:02:27.920 Well, they're a separate advisory panel when it comes to vaccines.

00:02:31.140 Some of them are beloved in the Maha movement, like Dr. Retseff-Levy.

00:02:36.320 He's consistently evidence-based, objective,

00:02:40.780 but he's been a very, very harsh critic for good reasons,

00:02:43.840 for good scientific reasons of the mRNA injection, for instance.

00:02:47.640 Others are very famous, but I would say their bios are more complicated,

00:02:52.280 like War Room regular Dr. Robert Malone,

00:02:55.400 who identifies himself as having been instrumental in creating the mRNA injection.

00:03:01.600 And others are just a home run, like Dr. Martin Kulldorff,

00:03:06.060 who is a friend of ours.

00:03:07.060 We love him to bits.

00:03:09.140 And formerly of Harvard, a signatory of the Great Barrington Declaration,

00:03:12.580 and just a man of incredible integrity, scientific probity, balanced, a grown-up, very, you know, very distinguished.

00:03:23.700 So there are like two home runs, one kind of ambiguous, well-known personality, in my subjective opinion.

00:03:32.020 And some are not well-known in the Maha world and have kind of indeterminate backgrounds.

00:03:41.600 All are highly scientifically credentialed.

00:03:43.800 But the thing, you know, before we celebrate too much, and then I'll talk about Legacy Media,

00:03:48.000 the thing that my colleague Shannon Joy points out is that he's appointed eight,

00:03:53.820 and the committee is traditionally made up of 17.

00:03:57.220 So it's not yet a majority.

00:03:59.680 So until we know who the majority are, who are still seats that are not filled,

00:04:05.220 it's too early either to freak out or to celebrate, depending on which side you're on.

00:04:09.420 And now very briefly to the Legacy Media, I have been reading these incredibly skewed—

00:04:14.740 it must be maddening to be RFK Jr. at this point, because everyone's freaking out in opposite directions.

00:04:20.680 The incredibly skewed coverage, for instance, by the Associated Press or NPR,

00:04:24.320 they focus on people they identify as sources of misinformation about vaccines.

00:04:31.180 Again, never providing any evidence that it is misinformation, just calling them purveyors of misinformation.

00:04:38.540 So they're upset that the, you know, the stranglehold of Big Pharma on that committee,

00:04:45.640 which has been so lucrative for a pharmaceutical industry protected by the PrEP Act from any sort of litigation,

00:04:53.180 any sort of accountability, Legacy Media, which is largely funded by that very same industry,

00:04:58.800 is upset that there may be objective voices on that committee.

00:05:02.840 I'm curious to sort of take a step back, zoom out on just, you know, Maha, which is sort of a nebulous term, right?

00:05:12.200 It can mean, I guess, whatever anyone wants.

00:05:14.800 There was obviously some, you know, selective, I think, uproar over the appointment of Casey Means.

00:05:22.060 We saw a lot of different sides, sort of Maha kind of fracture on that point.

00:05:26.700 Even I think I've seen people sort of questioning the background of her brother, Callie Means.

00:05:31.920 Sort of just these, you know, dare I say the word Manchurian candidatized,

00:05:35.560 where these people have these, you know, resumes that sometimes maybe seem not too good to be true,

00:05:40.060 but they've, you know, seemingly always been on the right side of every issue,

00:05:43.220 when they, some cases are sort of popped up out of nowhere.

00:05:46.700 Drawing the parallel to, I think, what War Room has really been ahead of the curve on,

00:05:51.160 which is pointing out how a lot of the tech bro space, I think, has sort of tried to co-opt

00:05:56.040 some of the MAGA movement for profit, for power, take your pick.

00:06:00.520 I feel like when you look at whether it's the weird kind of tax credits or subsidies,

00:06:04.600 in terms of that overlap, like I think Callie's company, TrueMed,

00:06:09.280 there's just been some interesting reporting where there's perhaps, I would say,

00:06:12.180 other motivations for people who are now suddenly, you know, rushing into the MAGA fold.

00:06:17.260 I'm just curious, your thoughts, I think you have a wonderful sort of bird's eye view on a lot of this,

00:06:22.940 but overall, the success of the MAGA agenda so far,

00:06:27.240 even using the Means kind of example as an example of that, rather.

00:06:33.580 Huh. Well, I feel like you've asked two really big, important questions there, Natalie.

00:06:37.700 One is, what about the influence of the tech bros on, well, you mentioned MAGA,

00:06:43.400 and I'd like to speak to the influence on MAGA, because it is a problem for sure.

00:06:49.980 So I'll do that first, if I may, and then assess, you know, MAGA's progress generally, if I may.

00:06:55.940 So I'm really worried about it, Natalie, and part of why I'm worried about it is that one of my hats is

00:07:02.600 I'm CEO of a tech company. And, you know, it's not Microsoft, but I understand digital technology,

00:07:08.000 and I understand the business models. As a result, it was absolutely clear to me

00:07:13.180 when I read a little bit about Callie Means' bio and his company, TrueMed,

00:07:19.520 and then Casey Means' bio and her company, Levels,

00:07:23.380 and then looked into the incredible Silicon Valley journey of Levels.com,

00:07:28.660 which, again, it took me five minutes to find. So I do feel like someone in the White House isn't

00:07:33.440 doing opposition research, because if I could find it in five minutes, anyone can.

00:07:38.720 Levels.com is an extraordinary Silicon Valley bubble, in effect, which has some real problems.

00:07:48.100 So basically, it's a not new, not innovative technology. What is it? It plugs into your body,

00:07:56.560 essentially, to harvest your biometrics, right, continually as an insulin monitor, allegedly.

00:08:02.240 This is also the dream of Silicon Valley to get their, they've done everything they can do in our

00:08:08.360 computers and in our phones. Natalie, they know the limits of growth to those business models.

00:08:14.600 So Silicon Valley investors and technologists are dying to get into the new frontier, which is our

00:08:19.940 bodies and our medical data, but especially biometrics, which is always changing.

00:08:25.180 So always monetizable to be harvested. And also the built environment, the internet of things.

00:08:32.920 So Levels is a magical answer to wanting to get into our bodies, right? But also you look at its

00:08:41.200 journey in terms of investment. It started six years ago. It has very few subscribers,

00:08:49.460 like 12,500 a year. Most of them, most of the people who visit the site are in Mexico,

00:08:54.840 which has free healthcare. The third most common source of visitors is Singapore. So it's a very

00:09:03.200 inorganic kind of distribution of users. And it's very expensive. It's like an eighth of a Mexican 1.00

00:09:12.140 person's monthly salary. You know, who are all these Mexican users? Why are there so few relative

00:09:16.940 U.S. users? And then you look at the investment with no real traction, no real proprietary innovation,

00:09:24.660 no new, the tech stack is not new, right? Everything is not, there's no new development

00:09:32.840 of a technology. She had her last valuation, $313 million, $313 million. And then you go back to who's

00:09:41.940 invested. And it's the same Silicon Valley venture capitalists who are invested in, bingo, the mRNA

00:09:48.280 vaccine. So, and the same thing with Levels. It's a biometric, I'm sorry, the same thing with TruMed.

00:09:54.700 It's a biometrics harvesting company. That's what its kind of sub-companies do, including your brainwaves.

00:10:01.740 Like that's been taken off of their platform since I last checked. But when I first checked,

00:10:05.900 it's technologies to kind of harvest your brainwaves and monetize them. And when you look at the terms

00:10:12.960 of service, certainly of Levels, and I know this sounds really nerdy, but it's really important,

00:10:17.780 there is no privacy. It bypasses HIPAA. And all these people want to bypass HIPAA, which is

00:10:23.400 the federal law that protects your medical data privacy, because that keeps them from monetizing

00:10:29.600 your medical data and your biometric data. So the terms of service lets her sell your personal

00:10:36.980 medical data to third parties that are unspecified. And this is just the dream. So to me, you know,

00:10:44.800 and the same thing with Cali means, and these people appeared kind of out of nowhere. You know,

00:10:52.580 I know she's got a popular website about insulin resistance and a popular newsletter, but I'm also

00:10:59.520 a nonfiction writer and out of the gate with no prior book publication experience, they have a

00:11:06.100 blockbuster bestseller that sells a million copies in hardcover. Like literally nothing does that,

00:11:14.660 you know, in the publishing industry. And they got a, you know, big contract with a big publisher.

00:11:18.760 Okay. You know, good luck, you know, right out of the bat, very rare. But also with no previous

00:11:26.960 company, no exit, no tech experience, she, you know, has a company with a $313 million valuation

00:11:35.040 without verifiable subscribers and with no growth or flat growth until, you know, very recently when

00:11:42.680 she was in the news. So it looks really questionable, but it definitely looks like a biometric

00:11:48.480 play. And, you know, early on, and I know that, I know that, um, that your co-host sees this

00:11:56.340 differently, but early on when I saw like Zuckerberg and Bezos and all these tech bros lining up sort of

00:12:03.380 behind or next to president Trump, I didn't feel like he had them. I felt like, cause it happened

00:12:10.740 suddenly, right? It was like, okay, we're going to make him the winner. Um, you know, we're going to

00:12:15.520 align with him. It felt to me like Silicon Valley realized this is the future. They better get on

00:12:22.020 board and make as much money out of it as they can and out of the access. And, um, you know, I would

00:12:29.840 just throw in Elon Musk there. Unfortunately, I saw in February that it was very likely that he,

00:12:35.380 I was very worried about Elon Musk as a security risk, uh, because of the way, sorry, but the way

00:12:41.040 Doge was going in and, um, firing technologists whose job was to keep our data private and secure

00:12:48.660 in the government and the way AI can kind of suck up, uh, private data and expropriate it basically.

00:12:56.380 And I was very worried he would, he would set a AI or his AI on our data sets. And, and I was also

00:13:02.660 worried about him merging the different data sets because that can create a, a kind of everything

00:13:08.320 app, which he said he wants to create, which is one step from a social credit system. So since I

00:13:13.240 warned about that, the signal, uh, scandal unfolded, which is exactly what I warned about a national

00:13:19.700 security breach of some magnitude because of the madness of using a third party digital platform

00:13:26.580 whose job, I would say it was Doge's to warn people about. Um, and then, you know, other possible

00:13:33.340 questions about where the, where Musk's AI has been in terms of, of our data sets. So that story isn't

00:13:43.000 over yet, but it's, it's a very real risk. And, and I see, you know, with the announcement of

00:13:49.580 building, you know, the president Trump made of building these giant AI centers, um, I do see that

00:13:56.740 Silicon Valley is going to kind of align or has aligned with MAGA and Maha, not because they share

00:14:03.820 MAGA's or Maha's policy goals at all, because, but because they can use those as cover for getting

00:14:10.000 what they really want, which is our data and a bunch of favorable, um, legislation and policies

00:14:15.960 out of the president and RFK Jr.

00:14:19.060 See, this is why we love having Dr. Wolf on the show. We'll definitely have to have you back soon.

00:14:26.660 I think Steve would probably love to get into all that with you. In the meantime, if people want to

00:14:30.900 follow you, stay up to date with your writings, get the books, the Pfizer papers, where can they go

00:14:34.580 to do all that? Thank you. And I hope I haven't upset or offended anybody, but I've got to call it

00:14:41.460 like I see it. It's the truth. It's the truth. It's, it's worth people knowing about and thinking

00:14:46.600 about for sure. And that's what I love about war room. Uh, you always bring the facts for people

00:14:51.100 to assess for themselves. Um, so we're excited about legisector.com. That's what we're talking

00:14:57.200 about these days. And it's, um, at legisector.com and it's, uh, an industry specific legislative

00:15:03.320 platform where you can get your own portal of whatever your industry is that you care about,

00:15:07.660 whether it's tech or energy or cannabis or infrastructure, defense, um, family issues. Uh,

00:15:14.500 it's, it's, it's all right there in real time. So, um, please go to legisector.com and check it out.

00:15:20.240 Thank you, man, for joining us. Thank you. Thank you, Natalie. Take care.

00:15:24.820 Nice to see you. There's obviously always incoming from both sides, not just the sort of new evolving,

00:15:31.360 I won't use the term enemy, but the tech bro, the sort of transhumanist globalist, you know, new

00:15:38.080 right. Um, but even big pharma, they've really been mounting a massive lobbying campaign

00:15:43.440 with the big, beautiful bill, um, trying to, of course, sink their, their hooks, their claws 1.00

00:15:49.240 through something called the Epic Act, which is basically a way to undermine what President

00:15:54.760 Trump, I'm sure you guys remember the historic initiative, the EO that he put out, um, really

00:15:59.600 bringing down prescription drug prices, something that Democrats talked about forever, but never

00:16:04.120 actually did. Um, there's a good report on this. Again, we always have to be vigilant from

00:16:09.460 the way that big pharma is trying to expand their influence, but the AFPI article, if you

00:16:13.420 want to put that up on screen, how they're trying to essentially pass the price of prescription

00:16:18.340 drugs, the trials, just the prices in general onto consumers, onto the MAG base. Of course,

00:16:24.240 they want to prioritize big pharma profits over not just your health and wellbeing, um, but frankly,

00:16:30.680 everything. So they're trying to tarnish what is the, uh, the big, beautiful bill. Um, Americans

00:16:36.420 shouldn't have to bear the cost. You can see the headline there. Speaking of something else

00:16:40.380 that Americans should not have to bear the cost of that's any more loss of life to fight the wars

00:16:45.860 of other countries, of other nations, especially those that we don't need to be involved in, 0.96

00:16:52.340 have no, you know, geographical proximity to us and are more proximal to other countries who are

00:16:57.340 trying to get us entangled in those conflicts. I think that a paradigm is probably replicated across

00:17:03.080 the globe quite nicely honored to bring on none other than the wonderful Sam Faddis to walk

00:17:08.120 us through who I'm sure I'll need to hold you through the break with what's been going on. But

00:17:12.540 I think the posse would love your sort of assessment with what it looks like is going to be going down

00:17:17.460 in the middle East. Well, unfortunately, um, I think we're standing on the precipice of seeing a, 1.00

00:17:26.780 a broader regional war breakout. Um, I'm not in favor of that. Uh, I think we've had

00:17:34.160 enough conflict and enough war, but unfortunately there are some significant issues here and we've

00:17:40.260 kind of done everything we can to not address them under the Biden administration. So we've allowed

00:17:45.800 this to trundle to a really, really critical moment. I mean, the, the immediate issue is this,

00:17:50.780 the Iranians either already have nuclear weapons or are so close, essentially, it's almost impossible 1.00

00:17:58.540 to stop them. And it looks like the Israelis are getting ready to stage one last ditch effort 0.98

00:18:03.620 to attack their nuclear program. That is assuming they know what to attack. And when they do that,

00:18:10.020 all hell breaks loose. And I'm just curious, I think in the same way that when president Trump has

00:18:17.280 spoken about Israel in the past, whether it was during his trip overseas, but even talking with

00:18:22.420 Netanyahu, there's sort of been, I think something that maybe is a slight fundamental shift where it

00:18:27.700 seems like he's sort of doing things without the explicit approval or coordination with Netanyahu.

00:18:33.540 But it seems like that is sort of then being reciprocated. And it seems like some of these

00:18:37.520 attacks, I remember I was on warm a few months ago and, um, prime minister Netanyahu had held sort

00:18:43.300 of a round table discussion with a bunch of journalists and influencers to try to, you know,

00:18:49.100 more or less explain, convince why he thought that the United States would be supportive of striking

00:18:55.360 Iran either alongside them or independently. And I don't really think the room was particularly

00:19:00.640 swayed by that, but is this something that could happen unilaterally? Do you see the United States

00:19:05.920 taking the lead in this? Like that relationship, is this sort of a transformational dynamic

00:19:11.040 dynamic with what's going on? It is certainly a dynamic now, and it's probably more pronounced

00:19:17.180 right now. Has it always been there to some extent? Yeah. Look, I've worked with the Israelis

00:19:22.000 in the field, um, and alongside of them have great respect for them. That said, their particular

00:19:29.180 national interest in policy does not necessarily align completely with the United States at any

00:19:38.060 particular moment, right? And many Israeli governments have sort of exhibited this tendency to assume

00:19:44.360 that they can make a decision about action they're going to take and then presume, given their political

00:19:51.960 influence in the United States, that we will follow suit. And they have had periodically to be

00:19:58.260 reminded that, look, men, we're, we are allies, but that does not compel us to do whatever you want

00:20:06.180 at any moment in time. I don't assume we are going to back you, uh, just because, just because we are

00:20:14.020 allies right now. We're sort of at that, that has been, as you've noted, a really prominent thing,

00:20:20.180 obviously for, for some time now. I mean, certainly ever since, I mean, well, it was, it was there under Biden

00:20:27.320 and it's, has remained under Trump. You know, look, the Israelis kind of want us to take this,

00:20:32.260 this immediate hardline approach, bomb things in Iran. And the Trump administration is saying,

00:20:39.380 okay, I got a whole bunch of questions like why, what are we bombing? What happens the day after?

00:20:45.660 Uh, one of the elements here is, as I noted, what are you bombing? I'm going to bomb the Iranian nuclear 1.00

00:20:54.780 program and get rid of it. So unstated there is the assumption, you know, where the Iranian nuclear 0.90

00:21:00.660 program is, you know, where everything is that you have to hit and you have the capacity to destroy it.

00:21:07.540 I, I don't know what the basis of that, that is. I suspect that is not true either for us or the

00:21:15.060 Israelis, that we really know everything that we need to hit and how to hit it. 0.99

00:21:19.340 Yeah, there's certainly a difference between, you know, allyship and, and subservience, but I'm also

00:21:25.400 curious from the, you know, broader geostrategic perspective, I think that this peels us away from

00:21:30.600 what is not just our existential threat, but I think most countries, which is of course the,

00:21:35.200 the PRC. I'm curious your perspective, how they fit into this conflict, this region,

00:21:42.120 this dynamic in particular.

00:21:43.400 Well, look, increasingly our, our, you know, enemies, if you use that term, right? Like Iran, 1.00

00:21:50.920 Russia, China, North Korea, we're not, we're not facing these guys individually. This is not,

00:21:57.440 we, we are facing them collectively. They are increasingly acting in concert. The Chinese have 1.00

00:22:02.780 been in bed with the Iranians for a really long time. And, and therefore supporting the Iranians, 0.96

00:22:09.520 emboldening the Iranians is a, is something that's very much in Beijing's interest. And one of the 0.99

00:22:16.360 things that I noted, you know, some time ago, I'm not the only one is, look, let's keep in mind that

00:22:21.440 the Chinese have nuclear weapons and the Chinese have helped the Iranians on a whole bunch of fronts

00:22:27.300 militarily and economically. Okay. So the Chinese actually are in the, in the position of being able 0.96

00:22:33.900 to fly a plane in and land it in Tehran and, you know, and turn Iran into a nuclear power overnight 0.74

00:22:40.340 by simply handing those, them, those weapons. Definitely the Chinese do not want us to succeed 1.00

00:22:47.860 in reigning in Iran and containing this threat that is not in their interest.

00:22:55.060 I'm curious, there's always reporting whether it's, you know, naval operations, but I think

00:23:00.640 particularly Iran's airspace, that's something not just the joint military operations, but that a lot

00:23:04.900 of Chinese technology, in some cases outright Chinese planes are, are there. Could you see,

00:23:10.160 again, not war gaming this, but this has the potential sort of to your point, how this is

00:23:15.140 all interconnected. It's not just Iran, it's not its own country. You know, what happens if there's,

00:23:21.920 could this potentially lead to kinetic conflict sort of by proxy between the PRC and the United States?

00:23:30.640 Sure. I mean, what happens if the Chinese decide that this would be a great opportunity to move 1.00

00:23:34.400 on Taiwan, right? Why are they, you know, it strikes me all the time that when people are talking about

00:23:40.560 war, which people love to talk about, but I notice they, the same people that talk about it never

00:23:45.500 seem to be in a big hurry to go, to go into one themselves. I mean, there's always this presumption

00:23:54.120 that the enemy, the opponent or the adversary, whatever we want to call it, is required to just sit

00:23:59.100 there immobile and inert and do what we want them to do and what we expect them to do.

00:24:04.700 We used to say in the field all the time, you know, the enemy gets a vote.

00:24:08.360 Gets a vote.

00:24:08.760 While you're sitting around talking about all this, the enemy actually gets to decide

00:24:13.260 to do things. So the Iranians, for instance, are not required to sit there

00:24:17.100 and wait for you to blow up their nuclear weapons. They may assemble their nuclear weapons and pop one 0.62

00:24:22.620 off in the desert and tell you, we have 12 of them. We can blow Tel Aviv off the map tomorrow. 0.91

00:24:27.400 Now what? The Chinese can decide to assist the Iranians, as I indicated, or they can decide to

00:24:34.660 move someplace else while we don't have the resources to do this. All kinds of things can happen. And this,

00:24:43.260 of course, is what happens when you trundle into a conflict. It doesn't tend to go

00:24:47.440 the way you planned it all out in your head. It tends to unfold in really ugly and unpredictable

00:24:53.920 ways, which is why we ought to actually have a plan and devote some thought to it

00:24:58.280 and think before we move and not just get all excited about let's go bomb something.

00:25:05.760 The enemy gets a vote and it very well may be, I guess, a rigged election, certainly if the PRC is

00:25:12.740 somehow involved. Sam Fattis, the audience always loves your perspective. We've got to get to

00:25:17.520 everything going on in LA, speaking of kinetic conflict, so we're going to have to have you back.

00:25:21.880 But in the meantime, if people want to follow you, get the Substack, stay up to date with everything.

00:25:26.180 You're working on your insights as this region and regions much broader certainly heat up. Where can

00:25:31.080 they go to do that? Go to And Magazine at Substack, andmagazine.substack.com, and that'll take you

00:25:39.300 everywhere else we are on the web. Sam Fattis, thank you so much for joining us. Like I said,

00:25:44.820 we'll have you back on soon. Thank you.

00:25:49.660 It is quite wild to me when you look at the rhetoric, whether it's between Democrats or

00:25:53.440 Republicans, although I guess South Republicans and Democrats, they are so willing to talk so

00:25:58.280 tough against MAGA, against you guys, the war room posse, the grassroots activists. Yet when it

00:26:03.920 comes to talking tough against the Chinese Communist Party or I guess even illegal aliens, I would say 0.95

00:26:09.180 they really essentially just embrace them and endorse them outright, full stop. It's wild.

00:26:14.840 We're going to get into what's going on in LA, who's funding it, who's financing it. Also,

00:26:18.900 Mark Milley's legacy. It's heavy lift there. Heavy lift with basically nothing except what back

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00:30:57.040 The War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:31:04.780 Welcome back to The War Room, where, of course, you've got to be checking out birchgold.com

00:31:09.080 slash Bannon, texting Bannon to 989898. I think this show is probably quite illustrative of why

00:31:16.040 you've got to be looking at gold, giving Philip Patrick and the team a call. I want to pick up

00:31:21.840 sort of where we left off. I think the broader idea, really precisely as to why striking, whatever,

00:31:28.460 invading Iran, would be so counter to what MAGA stands for, is that it takes our eye off the ball

00:31:34.460 away from what I think this audience, Steve, would agree with my consensus, that the primary threat,

00:31:42.100 enemy number one existential threat, is the PRC, their rising ambitions. Obviously, they prefer

00:31:46.880 infiltration as opposed to invasion, and they don't like kinetic conflicts. They would probably see

00:31:50.720 that as a sign that they've lost, at least per unrestricted warfare, the art of war, et cetera.

00:31:56.440 But it takes our eye off the ball. And one domain in particular, obviously, there's been a new rare

00:32:02.460 earth deal announced. You guys know we've been hammering that one pretty hard, given that the PRC,

00:32:06.720 I think has, what is it, 90% in terms of all the processing of rare earths, and I think 70%,

00:32:12.880 roughly, of the actual sourcing of them. Seems like we've got a deal that potentially sorted that

00:32:17.800 out. But another area, I'm sure you guys recall the whole Huawei back and forth, that they've really

00:32:24.200 been, I think, getting ahead of the United States is sort of the 5G race, the more advanced technology

00:32:30.840 stuff. And there's a great piece up in the blaze talking about the spectrum auctions, which is

00:32:36.520 something that's quite hot right now with a big, beautiful bill, but also since it's intricately

00:32:40.780 linked to Mark Milley, who, what was it? I think that he was caught, what was it, secretly back

00:32:46.140 channeling with the Chinese still waiting on those treason charges. Hopefully I won't have to hold my 0.83

00:32:50.740 breath that much longer. But the author of that piece, Colonel Rob Maness, who I think you were

00:32:55.240 on War Room with me out at AmFest in Phoenix, in honor to have you back on. I'd love to have you walk

00:33:02.500 through this article, particularly through the lens of why spaces like this, if we don't advance,

00:33:09.800 the PRC is going to be able to run circles around us. And as we trend towards potentially

00:33:14.860 kinetic conflict, this is a prime example of that sort of military-civil fusion that they

00:33:19.820 obviously have going on. But here in the United States, it seems like we're kind of asleep at the

00:33:23.500 wheel.

00:33:24.700 Well, thanks for having me back on, Natalie. And you're absolutely right.

00:33:27.960 But in a slightly different tone, the PRC is already running circles around us

00:33:34.460 in this communication spectrum situation. The article I wrote was to highlight Mark Milley's

00:33:43.240 intransigence in allowing commercial development of the spectrum. You know, when the first Trump

00:33:49.200 administration ended, we had taken the lead in 5G and spectrum development. We were number one in

00:33:55.220 the Chinese communists. We're number 17. Now the script has flipped. We're close to 17 and China is 0.89

00:34:02.380 number one. And what does that do from a national security perspective? It stifles innovation and

00:34:09.120 development of all of the devices and all of the communications development in that part of the

00:34:16.440 spectrum that we need to use to put on a future battlefield if it, God forbid, it became necessary

00:34:22.620 to fight it against the Chinese. And it gives the Chinese communists a built-in inherent significant 0.94

00:34:29.940 advantage in technology. It's us and Mark Milley giving away our technological advantage, which is

00:34:36.800 what we've always held up. When people talk about the numbers of things like the Chinese Navy ships

00:34:42.780 outnumber our Navy today, but we always talk about our technology. Well, we are giving the Chinese 1.00

00:34:48.720 companies that lead and they are taking it readily and we've got to do something about it. I agree

00:34:54.840 with Steve. I think we got a court-martial Mark Milley. Heck yeah, it's long overdue. But to your

00:35:00.600 point, the ship buildup, I mean, the numbers are staggering. I think it's like 300 to 1 and certainly

00:35:05.440 not all of those are military vessels, but since essentially they all are, they're dormant military

00:35:10.760 vessels, it's absolutely insane. But I'd be curious to get your thoughts on sort of what the contours of

00:35:16.400 the modern battlefield look like. I think sometimes maybe people get upset. We're always focusing on

00:35:21.420 China, but the idea of this unrestricted warfare, that it's not just kinetic conflict, right? I think

00:35:26.120 you see the rare earths as a prime example. That was the leverage that they had over us that really

00:35:31.140 made us fold on the tariffs, right? The United States could not continue for more than two weeks

00:35:36.060 to have industrial levels of lifestyle and have your car work, batteries, all the rest,

00:35:42.200 since we're so reliant on them. So why do you think this field is particularly

00:35:46.940 important from, you know, whether it's Taiwan or what's looking potentially to be Iran in the

00:35:53.360 military space? Why is this so critical? Well, look, you've probably seen like everybody else has

00:36:00.420 the demonstration with 10,000 drones controlled by artificial intelligence, all able to fly in

00:36:06.920 commercial formations. That is the picture of the modern battlefield that's evolving and revealing

00:36:12.740 itself in places like the Ukraine and Russia war that we're seeing. And this space is critically

00:36:19.400 important for the United States to not only regain the advantage in that technology, but to take the

00:36:24.880 lead and keep the lead in that technology. Because any future battlefield, the Chinese Communist Party 0.99

00:36:30.260 has already developed those kind of things. The demonstration I just mentioned was a Chinese

00:36:35.660 government demonstration. And that's why it's important. And by the way, we're already in the

00:36:41.740 modern battlefield. I'm glad you brought up the unrestricted warfare. The Chinese declared a people's 1.00

00:36:47.260 war against us and unrestricted warfare years ago, years ago. And they are literally at war with us.

00:36:54.740 What you're seeing inside the United States today is part of that battlefield. And just imagine that if

00:37:01.500 these people were able to launch 10,000 drone swarms, all armed and all able to be targeted by artificial

00:37:09.020 intelligence at the people whose data they have been collecting for years and years and years

00:37:15.560 now, all at one time inside the United States to disrupt our society, that would be almost 0.81

00:37:22.460 un-overcome-able.

00:37:26.860 And just the last question. I'm curious, obviously, Mark Milley, I don't think anyone in this audience

00:37:32.660 likes him. Real quick, just give us the case, whether I think this whole spectrum issue is a

00:37:39.140 prime example of just, it's not even just negligence. It almost rises to the level of intentional,

00:37:45.400 I think, just outright degradation of the United States military, national security, take your pick,

00:37:50.260 whatever words you want to use. But why you really think that he deserves to be court-martialed?

00:37:55.820 Well, there's three items. This is one of them. And, you know, he used and got the Pentagon to use

00:38:00.560 the trope that the Golden Dome would be disrupted and all that. And all of that's been taken off the

00:38:07.960 table. The reality is that the Golden Dome won't be disrupted in the military. The auctions of the

00:38:13.920 spectrum are very small. But the other two bigger issues is that he called the Chinese and the Trump

00:38:18.940 administration and said to his counterpart, I will call you if we're going to war with you.

00:38:23.860 That's number one. And number two, right closely behind that, he inserted himself in the nuclear

00:38:29.740 command and control decision-making process by telling the operations team at the Pentagon,

00:38:35.360 where I used to work, and helped write part of the nuclear decision handbook that's carried with

00:38:39.680 the president, so I understand it fully. He inserted himself in there illegally because,

00:38:44.300 according to the law, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs has no command authority. He's simply an

00:38:49.260 advisor. But he told those ops teams that they would call him if any situation came up in the use

00:38:56.020 of nuclear weapons and the decision to do that. That's blatantly illegal. Those three things make

00:39:02.120 the case for Mark Milley to be recalled from retirement and court-martialed at a minimum.

00:39:07.920 Case closed. Colonel Maness, thank you so much for joining us. We'll have you back on soon. I

00:39:15.200 really appreciate you writing articles like this. It's important that we understand the battlefield

00:39:20.120 is not just kinetic conflict. It's all the rare earths, the processing spectrum, you name it. I hope

00:39:27.080 we rise to the levels of productivity and advancement that we had under Trump 1. In the meantime, before we

00:39:33.540 have you back on, if people want to follow you, stay up to date with everything you're working on

00:39:36.820 writing. Where can they go to do that? The best place is go to robmaness.com or follow me on X at

00:39:43.620 Rob Maness. My show is live four days a week, 3 p.m. Eastern to 4 p.m. Eastern, Monday through Thursday.

00:39:49.580 You can find it on X. Thank you, sir. You have a good day. Thank you, Natalie. Of course.

00:39:57.900 Speaking of evolving battlefields, I guess we'll end the show, bring it all the way back home to my

00:40:04.560 hometown of Los Angeles. Although I think you could probably put that in the bucket of more

00:40:08.780 traditional kinetic type conflict. I will just point out, you know, think about all the, I'm sure,

00:40:14.080 ways that they were collecting. SIGINT, HUMAN, take your pick, on MAGA, all you, you know, Catholic 0.99

00:40:20.640 church attendees, people who prayed the rosary outside the abortion clinics, the lengths that the

00:40:26.300 administrative state, these rogue intel agencies were willing to go to, to collect on you guys,

00:40:31.560 put you in jail, threaten you guys, intimidate you. Seems like if you're basically a foreign 1.00

00:40:36.160 domestic terrorist waving foreign flags, I don't know. I guess there's not so much of a surveillance

00:40:42.360 program to go after you guys. Actually, instead, you get tons of millions of dollars worth of federal

00:40:47.800 funding, at least in the case of some of the groups that are organizing these protests out in LA.

00:40:52.720 We dove into this yesterday on the show, but I wanted to bring on Hudson Crozier from The Daily

00:40:57.580 Caller, who wrote a great piece chronicling really how so many of the groups that are involved in these,

00:41:03.840 I don't even call them protests, violent riots, are really hardwired in to the Democratic Party

00:41:09.120 apparatus, but also the money apparatus. I'm curious, go off, you got a lot of time, walk us through who

00:41:16.820 these groups are, the inflammatory rhetoric, who's funding them, and their ties, I mean, frankly,

00:41:22.040 to the Democratic Party. Right, so thank you for having me on, Natalie. It's not always,

00:41:28.340 whenever things like this happen, what's happening in LA, everybody wants to say who's funding this,

00:41:32.860 that's not always immediately clear for all of them. But the most interesting one, I think,

00:41:37.200 is the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights, or CHURLA, which started off some of the protests

00:41:45.040 on Friday before they got out of hand. And it has received, in 2023 alone, something like $34 million

00:41:52.120 in government grants under the Biden administration. 2023 is the latest tax filing that we have from

00:41:58.440 them, but there was more throughout the Biden presidency. But what happened that was really

00:42:04.040 interesting in LA is basically, the way it all started, is you had the Service Employees International,

00:42:09.900 or, sorry, SEIU, the acronym's escaping me, but it's the big pro-Democrat union in California, SEIU.

00:42:18.440 On Friday morning, their leader, David Huerta, got arrested, leader of the SEIU California chapter.

00:42:25.920 And that is really what kind of sparked this whole thing. He allegedly, according to the Department of

00:42:30.680 Justice, was gathered with a big crowd of people to try to block these ice trucks and stop these ice

00:42:36.940 raids from happening. And he got arrested. And then immediately, or simultaneously, the SEIU and

00:42:44.640 a bunch of leftist groups in the area just start spamming this same social media graphic from SEIU

00:42:51.600 saying, you know, ICE is kidnapping people. We need to show up at this federal building at 300 North

00:42:57.780 Los Angeles Street today at 4 p.m. and, you know, stand up to these pigs, these fascists, whatever. 0.96

00:43:03.020 And so SEIU and CHERLA hosted this little press conference. And that was originally all that it 0.96

00:43:10.260 was marketed to be. And then some individuals, whether they were part of any of these groups

00:43:15.320 officially or not, hundreds of people showed up to that federal building. And then that's when

00:43:20.220 everything started to go haywire, objects being thrown and vandalism. And then the clashes with police

00:43:26.560 started. And the rest is history. We have dealt with that in L.A. for a solid week now.

00:43:33.940 And walk us through how this is metastasizing throughout the country. Obviously, it's popping

00:43:38.920 off in New York. Frankly, I think it started probably with those Democratic members of Congress

00:43:42.820 storming bizarrely, I guess not so bizarrely for the modern-day Democratic Party, that ICE facility.

00:43:48.720 How do you see this sort of replicating state by state?

00:43:53.460 So we've seen as of Monday and Tuesday night and the afternoon a little bit, this has spread to

00:44:01.620 Denver, Seattle, and Austin, cities like that. And all of those cities have the same thing in common

00:44:10.220 politically. And I'll let your audience figure that one out for yourselves. But same type of thing

00:44:16.220 going on, clashes with police, things being thrown allegedly, lots and lots of arrests. But I will

00:44:22.480 say it hasn't gotten any more insane than in Los Angeles, where there are hundreds of arrests. I have

00:44:28.820 no idea how many at this point.

00:44:32.220 And I'm just curious, you've obviously been reporting for a while. Is this sort of the typical playbook

00:44:37.600 that you see for a lot of these, what I call planned spontaneity, whether it was the George Floyd

00:44:42.580 stuff, the BLM stuff, where there's such a drive and desire for the stuff to be depicted as organic

00:44:48.260 and natural. But in reality, it's all funded by the same people, whether it's, you know, the Tides

00:44:54.320 Foundation, these kind of left-wing grant-making organizations that are funding, in some cases,

00:44:59.180 Democratic candidates or just, you know, more mainstream Democratic causes. But this is pretty

00:45:04.360 typical, no?

00:45:06.940 It does echo some scenes from the BLM days where some of these people appear to be professional

00:45:12.700 agitators of some kind. There are a couple of reporters on the ground in L.A. who have reported

00:45:18.760 that they've seen people driving up in trucks and handing out these protective face shields to the

00:45:25.540 other rioters. I don't know what organization or group they might be a part of. I won't throw that

00:45:30.320 accusation around flippantly, but some kind of trained agitator thing going on there. And then

00:45:36.320 they're handing out other things like earplugs and gas masks, and everything looks like they are

00:45:41.900 bracing for confrontation with police. And there was another thing in the BLM era. There's this whole

00:45:48.160 phenomenon of legal observers, where these groups like the National Lawyers Guild will send out

00:45:54.540 these attorneys or at least legal experts of some kind to just sit and surveil the rioting going on,

00:46:01.680 to watch if police do anything in response that they deem to be too much so that they can sue later.

00:46:09.620 And CHURLA, the immigrant group that I mentioned, said to the New York Post that they were sending out

00:46:15.300 legal observers as the rioting broke out on Friday. So we have that same type of thing going on.

00:46:20.120 They are not there to tell people to calm the heck down. They're only there to dig up whatever

00:46:27.360 they can so they can sue the police later for anything that they do in response to try to

00:46:31.400 maintain order. The irony of legal observers observing illegal aliens protesting against the 0.78

00:46:39.900 country that they invaded, that they so desperately don't want to be deported from. That's too much

00:46:45.960 irony and hypocrisy even for me. Hudson, we'll have you back on soon. Wonderful reporting. In the

00:46:50.900 meantime, if people want to follow you and stay up to date with your work, where can they go to do

00:46:54.380 that? Just follow me on X, where, funny enough, a lot of this social media outrage campaign was

00:47:01.300 happening. But anyways, yeah, X. Just look at my name, Hudson Crozier. That's C-R-O-Z-I-E-R. But more

00:47:07.840 importantly, go to the Daily Caller News Foundation, where I'm cranking out stories every day on

00:47:12.640 crime and extremism all over the country. Thank you, sir, for joining us. We'll have you back on.

00:47:19.780 Thank you.

00:47:23.400 Warren Posse, things are certainly heating up, whether it's what's going on in Iran,

00:47:28.140 more broadly, umbrella with China, though there was a rare earth deal reached. But I think that

00:47:34.700 the Millie point, right, how he was back channeling with CCP military leaders, the, I guess it would be

00:47:41.620 Ministry of Defense. That's their equivalent to the Secretary of Defense over here. That

00:47:48.420 we have appropriated the tactics that the PRC uses to influence and infiltrate the broader world. But

00:47:57.120 the American ruling class, much like we talk about elite, not just compromise, but elite merger. I mean,

00:48:02.780 those are the tactics that you see being used in Los Angeles, right? You have the three warfares

00:48:07.640 doctrine, which is public opinion warfare, psychological warfare, and legal warfare or

00:48:13.520 lawfare, which I know you might be saying, Natalie, stop. That's the modern day Democratic Party. That's

00:48:18.420 what they did to President Trump for the last four years. But when you look at the public opinion

00:48:21.940 warfare, you see that with the way that they're trying to dominate the media narratives, the sort

00:48:26.240 of victim blaming, oh, these poor people want to be here because they're, you know, picking the 0.99

00:48:30.320 strawberries. I would always say to MSNBC, if the best argument you have to allow 10 plus million

00:48:36.440 invaders to stay in this country is because of, I guess it wasn't the avocados this time, it was the 0.94

00:48:41.280 strawberries. That's not the strongest argument I've ever heard. But the psychological warfare,

00:48:45.800 you see that they're terrorizing the cities of Los Angeles. They can essentially throw rocks at cars.

00:48:50.940 And thank God we have people like Kash Patel in power. But if Kamala Harris had won, be a very

00:48:56.100 different outcome, although I guess they wouldn't be protesting the deportations. They'd be protesting

00:49:01.320 who knows what. But I think the lawfare point that Hudson makes is very interesting too, right? They

00:49:06.560 have these legal observers there trying to sue police officers. And I think the buried lead to of

00:49:12.580 the funding of these groups, it's not just the magnitude of federal funds that they're getting,

00:49:17.860 right? When you talk about doge, waste, fraud, and abuse, that's a prime example. And I remember one of

00:49:24.380 the contracts that this group Churla got was for something euphemistically described as citizenship 1.00

00:49:29.340 and naturalization services. That's how it is itemized in the federal spending database.

00:49:35.280 I don't know about you guys. I don't know what the heck that means. It's probably nothing good,

00:49:38.980 a group that doesn't believe in citizenship because they don't believe in borders or a country.

00:49:43.220 I'm not sure what they're going to be doing to help people. But it all comes together,

00:49:48.180 right? Because it's very concerning when you see these groups, not just receiving tens of millions

00:49:54.980 of dollars, probably at the end of the day, if you amalgamate all of them, you're talking,

00:49:58.660 I mean, billions of dollars, but it's the overall percentage, right? So when you talk about these

00:50:04.960 color revolutions and these astroturfed groups, Churla, for example, I think it's like upwards of 90%

00:50:10.900 of their budget is derived from federal funding. So in other words, no people organically are

00:50:18.560 supporting this, right? And I'm not even talking about the paying the protesters and propping them

00:50:23.680 up. I'm talking about these groups just at the NGO funding level. It's very weird to have these like

00:50:29.660 public private partnerships where these so-called NGOs are effectively geos. There's no non-component.

00:50:36.020 And like I said, you juxtapose that with how the equivalent of what I would say MAGA NGOs,

00:50:42.040 right? That's you guys, the grassroots, the people who are not being paid by the government

00:50:45.820 are just doing things out of the goodness of their heart, knocking doors, praying the rosary,

00:50:51.240 going to traditional Latin mass, standing outside abortion clinics, right? That's true activism that 0.78

00:50:56.340 the left has to pay for. You certainly interact with government and federal resources, except they're

00:51:02.540 not to support your cause, they're to surveil you and probably tap your phones and set you up in

00:51:08.180 weird kidnapping plots like they did with Whitmer in Michigan. And that right there is the core of

00:51:15.480 what deconstructing the administrative state is about. And I think what's going on in LA is a prime

00:51:21.300 example of this weird sort of convergence of all these forces. And then you got the generals and MSNBC

00:51:27.920 pushing for, I guess, a full-blown invasion of everything that's going on in Iran, which like 0.99

00:51:33.920 we said, is going to dovetail, not going to, but it does with, uh, with Chinese airspace and Chinese

00:51:40.320 military equipment. Turbulent times, turbulent times. We'll see you guys tomorrow. Stay back.

00:51:47.140 So make sure you tune in at 10 a.m. Thank you for hanging with me and have a good night.

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Bannon's War Room - June 12, 2025

WarRoom Battleground EP 788： American's Bearing The Burden Of Foreign Cost

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