WarRoom Battleground EP 788: American's Bearing The Burden Of Foreign Cost
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Summary
In the latest episode of The War Room, host STEPHEN K. BONUS EPISODE, Natalie Winters is joined by Dr. Naomi Wolf and Dr. Shannon Joy to discuss the recent appointment of eight members to the CDC's new vaccine advisory board, and the reaction from the legacy media and pharmaceutical industry.
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Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
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I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
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I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that,
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And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
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I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
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If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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It's Thursday, June 12th in the year of our Lord, 2025.
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It's Natalie Winters hosting for the fourth and final hour of War Room today,
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though I think we're probably still just scratching the surface of everything that is going on at here,
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But before we get into what is transpiring in the Middle East,
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I want to start with probably a War Room all-time favorite.
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The legacy media, mainstream media, whatever you want to call them,
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they're in complete apoplexy and meltdown over what RFK, Secretary RFK Jr.,
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decided to do when it came to the CDC Vaccine Advisory Board.
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It's maybe touching like the fourth rail for some of these people in the media,
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I wanted to bring you on to get your thoughts to sort of break down the significance of this move,
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if you think there is any to it, and why they're in such meltdown.
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It's so funny, Natalie, and thank you for having me back.
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The hardcore Maha advocates are kind of anxious.
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It seems like a very beautiful step in the right direction.
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the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices,
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that RFK Jr. has identified as being people to serve
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Well, they're a separate advisory panel when it comes to vaccines.
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Some of them are beloved in the Maha movement, like Dr. Retseff-Levy.
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but he's been a very, very harsh critic for good reasons,
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for good scientific reasons of the mRNA injection, for instance.
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Others are very famous, but I would say their bios are more complicated,
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who identifies himself as having been instrumental in creating the mRNA injection.
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And others are just a home run, like Dr. Martin Kulldorff,
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And formerly of Harvard, a signatory of the Great Barrington Declaration,
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and just a man of incredible integrity, scientific probity, balanced, a grown-up, very, you know, very distinguished.
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So there are like two home runs, one kind of ambiguous, well-known personality, in my subjective opinion.
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And some are not well-known in the Maha world and have kind of indeterminate backgrounds.
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But the thing, you know, before we celebrate too much, and then I'll talk about Legacy Media,
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the thing that my colleague Shannon Joy points out is that he's appointed eight,
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and the committee is traditionally made up of 17.
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So until we know who the majority are, who are still seats that are not filled,
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it's too early either to freak out or to celebrate, depending on which side you're on.
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And now very briefly to the Legacy Media, I have been reading these incredibly skewed—
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it must be maddening to be RFK Jr. at this point, because everyone's freaking out in opposite directions.
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The incredibly skewed coverage, for instance, by the Associated Press or NPR,
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they focus on people they identify as sources of misinformation about vaccines.
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Again, never providing any evidence that it is misinformation, just calling them purveyors of misinformation.
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So they're upset that the, you know, the stranglehold of Big Pharma on that committee,
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which has been so lucrative for a pharmaceutical industry protected by the PrEP Act from any sort of litigation,
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any sort of accountability, Legacy Media, which is largely funded by that very same industry,
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is upset that there may be objective voices on that committee.
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I'm curious to sort of take a step back, zoom out on just, you know, Maha, which is sort of a nebulous term, right?
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There was obviously some, you know, selective, I think, uproar over the appointment of Casey Means.
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We saw a lot of different sides, sort of Maha kind of fracture on that point.
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Even I think I've seen people sort of questioning the background of her brother, Callie Means.
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Sort of just these, you know, dare I say the word Manchurian candidatized,
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where these people have these, you know, resumes that sometimes maybe seem not too good to be true,
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but they've, you know, seemingly always been on the right side of every issue,
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when they, some cases are sort of popped up out of nowhere.
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Drawing the parallel to, I think, what War Room has really been ahead of the curve on,
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which is pointing out how a lot of the tech bro space, I think, has sort of tried to co-opt
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some of the MAGA movement for profit, for power, take your pick.
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I feel like when you look at whether it's the weird kind of tax credits or subsidies,
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in terms of that overlap, like I think Callie's company, TrueMed,
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there's just been some interesting reporting where there's perhaps, I would say,
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other motivations for people who are now suddenly, you know, rushing into the MAGA fold.
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I'm just curious, your thoughts, I think you have a wonderful sort of bird's eye view on a lot of this,
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but overall, the success of the MAGA agenda so far,
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even using the Means kind of example as an example of that, rather.
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Huh. Well, I feel like you've asked two really big, important questions there, Natalie.
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One is, what about the influence of the tech bros on, well, you mentioned MAGA,
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and I'd like to speak to the influence on MAGA, because it is a problem for sure.
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So I'll do that first, if I may, and then assess, you know, MAGA's progress generally, if I may.
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So I'm really worried about it, Natalie, and part of why I'm worried about it is that one of my hats is
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I'm CEO of a tech company. And, you know, it's not Microsoft, but I understand digital technology,
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and I understand the business models. As a result, it was absolutely clear to me
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when I read a little bit about Callie Means' bio and his company, TrueMed,
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and then Casey Means' bio and her company, Levels,
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and then looked into the incredible Silicon Valley journey of Levels.com,
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which, again, it took me five minutes to find. So I do feel like someone in the White House isn't
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doing opposition research, because if I could find it in five minutes, anyone can.
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Levels.com is an extraordinary Silicon Valley bubble, in effect, which has some real problems.
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So basically, it's a not new, not innovative technology. What is it? It plugs into your body,
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essentially, to harvest your biometrics, right, continually as an insulin monitor, allegedly.
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This is also the dream of Silicon Valley to get their, they've done everything they can do in our
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computers and in our phones. Natalie, they know the limits of growth to those business models.
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So Silicon Valley investors and technologists are dying to get into the new frontier, which is our
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bodies and our medical data, but especially biometrics, which is always changing.
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So always monetizable to be harvested. And also the built environment, the internet of things.
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So Levels is a magical answer to wanting to get into our bodies, right? But also you look at its
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journey in terms of investment. It started six years ago. It has very few subscribers,
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like 12,500 a year. Most of them, most of the people who visit the site are in Mexico,
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which has free healthcare. The third most common source of visitors is Singapore. So it's a very
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inorganic kind of distribution of users. And it's very expensive. It's like an eighth of a Mexican
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person's monthly salary. You know, who are all these Mexican users? Why are there so few relative
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U.S. users? And then you look at the investment with no real traction, no real proprietary innovation,
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no new, the tech stack is not new, right? Everything is not, there's no new development
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of a technology. She had her last valuation, $313 million, $313 million. And then you go back to who's
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invested. And it's the same Silicon Valley venture capitalists who are invested in, bingo, the mRNA
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vaccine. So, and the same thing with Levels. It's a biometric, I'm sorry, the same thing with TruMed.
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It's a biometrics harvesting company. That's what its kind of sub-companies do, including your brainwaves.
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Like that's been taken off of their platform since I last checked. But when I first checked,
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it's technologies to kind of harvest your brainwaves and monetize them. And when you look at the terms
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of service, certainly of Levels, and I know this sounds really nerdy, but it's really important,
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there is no privacy. It bypasses HIPAA. And all these people want to bypass HIPAA, which is
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the federal law that protects your medical data privacy, because that keeps them from monetizing
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your medical data and your biometric data. So the terms of service lets her sell your personal
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medical data to third parties that are unspecified. And this is just the dream. So to me, you know,
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and the same thing with Cali means, and these people appeared kind of out of nowhere. You know,
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I know she's got a popular website about insulin resistance and a popular newsletter, but I'm also
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a nonfiction writer and out of the gate with no prior book publication experience, they have a
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blockbuster bestseller that sells a million copies in hardcover. Like literally nothing does that,
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you know, in the publishing industry. And they got a, you know, big contract with a big publisher.
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Okay. You know, good luck, you know, right out of the bat, very rare. But also with no previous
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company, no exit, no tech experience, she, you know, has a company with a $313 million valuation
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without verifiable subscribers and with no growth or flat growth until, you know, very recently when
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she was in the news. So it looks really questionable, but it definitely looks like a biometric
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play. And, you know, early on, and I know that, I know that, um, that your co-host sees this
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differently, but early on when I saw like Zuckerberg and Bezos and all these tech bros lining up sort of
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behind or next to president Trump, I didn't feel like he had them. I felt like, cause it happened
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suddenly, right? It was like, okay, we're going to make him the winner. Um, you know, we're going to
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align with him. It felt to me like Silicon Valley realized this is the future. They better get on
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board and make as much money out of it as they can and out of the access. And, um, you know, I would
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just throw in Elon Musk there. Unfortunately, I saw in February that it was very likely that he,
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I was very worried about Elon Musk as a security risk, uh, because of the way, sorry, but the way
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Doge was going in and, um, firing technologists whose job was to keep our data private and secure
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in the government and the way AI can kind of suck up, uh, private data and expropriate it basically.
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And I was very worried he would, he would set a AI or his AI on our data sets. And, and I was also
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worried about him merging the different data sets because that can create a, a kind of everything
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app, which he said he wants to create, which is one step from a social credit system. So since I
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warned about that, the signal, uh, scandal unfolded, which is exactly what I warned about a national
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security breach of some magnitude because of the madness of using a third party digital platform
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whose job, I would say it was Doge's to warn people about. Um, and then, you know, other possible
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questions about where the, where Musk's AI has been in terms of, of our data sets. So that story isn't
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over yet, but it's, it's a very real risk. And, and I see, you know, with the announcement of
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building, you know, the president Trump made of building these giant AI centers, um, I do see that
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Silicon Valley is going to kind of align or has aligned with MAGA and Maha, not because they share
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MAGA's or Maha's policy goals at all, because, but because they can use those as cover for getting
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what they really want, which is our data and a bunch of favorable, um, legislation and policies
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See, this is why we love having Dr. Wolf on the show. We'll definitely have to have you back soon.
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I think Steve would probably love to get into all that with you. In the meantime, if people want to
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follow you, stay up to date with your writings, get the books, the Pfizer papers, where can they go
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to do all that? Thank you. And I hope I haven't upset or offended anybody, but I've got to call it
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like I see it. It's the truth. It's the truth. It's, it's worth people knowing about and thinking
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about for sure. And that's what I love about war room. Uh, you always bring the facts for people
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to assess for themselves. Um, so we're excited about legisector.com. That's what we're talking
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about these days. And it's, um, at legisector.com and it's, uh, an industry specific legislative
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platform where you can get your own portal of whatever your industry is that you care about,
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whether it's tech or energy or cannabis or infrastructure, defense, um, family issues. Uh,
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it's, it's, it's all right there in real time. So, um, please go to legisector.com and check it out.
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Thank you, man, for joining us. Thank you. Thank you, Natalie. Take care.
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Nice to see you. There's obviously always incoming from both sides, not just the sort of new evolving,
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I won't use the term enemy, but the tech bro, the sort of transhumanist globalist, you know, new
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right. Um, but even big pharma, they've really been mounting a massive lobbying campaign
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with the big, beautiful bill, um, trying to, of course, sink their, their hooks, their claws
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through something called the Epic Act, which is basically a way to undermine what President
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Trump, I'm sure you guys remember the historic initiative, the EO that he put out, um, really
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bringing down prescription drug prices, something that Democrats talked about forever, but never
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actually did. Um, there's a good report on this. Again, we always have to be vigilant from
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the way that big pharma is trying to expand their influence, but the AFPI article, if you
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want to put that up on screen, how they're trying to essentially pass the price of prescription
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drugs, the trials, just the prices in general onto consumers, onto the MAG base. Of course,
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they want to prioritize big pharma profits over not just your health and wellbeing, um, but frankly,
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everything. So they're trying to tarnish what is the, uh, the big, beautiful bill. Um, Americans
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shouldn't have to bear the cost. You can see the headline there. Speaking of something else
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that Americans should not have to bear the cost of that's any more loss of life to fight the wars
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of other countries, of other nations, especially those that we don't need to be involved in,
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have no, you know, geographical proximity to us and are more proximal to other countries who are
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trying to get us entangled in those conflicts. I think that a paradigm is probably replicated across
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the globe quite nicely honored to bring on none other than the wonderful Sam Faddis to walk
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us through who I'm sure I'll need to hold you through the break with what's been going on. But
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I think the posse would love your sort of assessment with what it looks like is going to be going down
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in the middle East. Well, unfortunately, um, I think we're standing on the precipice of seeing a,
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a broader regional war breakout. Um, I'm not in favor of that. Uh, I think we've had
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enough conflict and enough war, but unfortunately there are some significant issues here and we've
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kind of done everything we can to not address them under the Biden administration. So we've allowed
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this to trundle to a really, really critical moment. I mean, the, the immediate issue is this,
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the Iranians either already have nuclear weapons or are so close, essentially, it's almost impossible
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to stop them. And it looks like the Israelis are getting ready to stage one last ditch effort
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to attack their nuclear program. That is assuming they know what to attack. And when they do that,
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all hell breaks loose. And I'm just curious, I think in the same way that when president Trump has
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spoken about Israel in the past, whether it was during his trip overseas, but even talking with
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Netanyahu, there's sort of been, I think something that maybe is a slight fundamental shift where it
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seems like he's sort of doing things without the explicit approval or coordination with Netanyahu.
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But it seems like that is sort of then being reciprocated. And it seems like some of these
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attacks, I remember I was on warm a few months ago and, um, prime minister Netanyahu had held sort
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of a round table discussion with a bunch of journalists and influencers to try to, you know,
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more or less explain, convince why he thought that the United States would be supportive of striking
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Iran either alongside them or independently. And I don't really think the room was particularly
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swayed by that, but is this something that could happen unilaterally? Do you see the United States
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taking the lead in this? Like that relationship, is this sort of a transformational dynamic
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dynamic with what's going on? It is certainly a dynamic now, and it's probably more pronounced
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right now. Has it always been there to some extent? Yeah. Look, I've worked with the Israelis
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in the field, um, and alongside of them have great respect for them. That said, their particular
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national interest in policy does not necessarily align completely with the United States at any
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particular moment, right? And many Israeli governments have sort of exhibited this tendency to assume
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that they can make a decision about action they're going to take and then presume, given their political
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influence in the United States, that we will follow suit. And they have had periodically to be
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reminded that, look, men, we're, we are allies, but that does not compel us to do whatever you want
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at any moment in time. I don't assume we are going to back you, uh, just because, just because we are
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allies right now. We're sort of at that, that has been, as you've noted, a really prominent thing,
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obviously for, for some time now. I mean, certainly ever since, I mean, well, it was, it was there under Biden
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and it's, has remained under Trump. You know, look, the Israelis kind of want us to take this,
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this immediate hardline approach, bomb things in Iran. And the Trump administration is saying,
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okay, I got a whole bunch of questions like why, what are we bombing? What happens the day after?
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Uh, one of the elements here is, as I noted, what are you bombing? I'm going to bomb the Iranian nuclear
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program and get rid of it. So unstated there is the assumption, you know, where the Iranian nuclear
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program is, you know, where everything is that you have to hit and you have the capacity to destroy it.
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I, I don't know what the basis of that, that is. I suspect that is not true either for us or the
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Israelis, that we really know everything that we need to hit and how to hit it.
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Yeah, there's certainly a difference between, you know, allyship and, and subservience, but I'm also
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curious from the, you know, broader geostrategic perspective, I think that this peels us away from
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what is not just our existential threat, but I think most countries, which is of course the,
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the PRC. I'm curious your perspective, how they fit into this conflict, this region,
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Well, look, increasingly our, our, you know, enemies, if you use that term, right? Like Iran,
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Russia, China, North Korea, we're not, we're not facing these guys individually. This is not,
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we, we are facing them collectively. They are increasingly acting in concert. The Chinese have
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been in bed with the Iranians for a really long time. And, and therefore supporting the Iranians,
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emboldening the Iranians is a, is something that's very much in Beijing's interest. And one of the
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things that I noted, you know, some time ago, I'm not the only one is, look, let's keep in mind that
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the Chinese have nuclear weapons and the Chinese have helped the Iranians on a whole bunch of fronts
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militarily and economically. Okay. So the Chinese actually are in the, in the position of being able
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to fly a plane in and land it in Tehran and, you know, and turn Iran into a nuclear power overnight
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by simply handing those, them, those weapons. Definitely the Chinese do not want us to succeed
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in reigning in Iran and containing this threat that is not in their interest.
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I'm curious, there's always reporting whether it's, you know, naval operations, but I think
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particularly Iran's airspace, that's something not just the joint military operations, but that a lot
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of Chinese technology, in some cases outright Chinese planes are, are there. Could you see,
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again, not war gaming this, but this has the potential sort of to your point, how this is
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all interconnected. It's not just Iran, it's not its own country. You know, what happens if there's,
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could this potentially lead to kinetic conflict sort of by proxy between the PRC and the United States?
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Sure. I mean, what happens if the Chinese decide that this would be a great opportunity to move
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on Taiwan, right? Why are they, you know, it strikes me all the time that when people are talking about
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war, which people love to talk about, but I notice they, the same people that talk about it never
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seem to be in a big hurry to go, to go into one themselves. I mean, there's always this presumption
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that the enemy, the opponent or the adversary, whatever we want to call it, is required to just sit
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there immobile and inert and do what we want them to do and what we expect them to do.
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We used to say in the field all the time, you know, the enemy gets a vote.
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While you're sitting around talking about all this, the enemy actually gets to decide
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to do things. So the Iranians, for instance, are not required to sit there
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and wait for you to blow up their nuclear weapons. They may assemble their nuclear weapons and pop one
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off in the desert and tell you, we have 12 of them. We can blow Tel Aviv off the map tomorrow.
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Now what? The Chinese can decide to assist the Iranians, as I indicated, or they can decide to
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move someplace else while we don't have the resources to do this. All kinds of things can happen. And this,
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of course, is what happens when you trundle into a conflict. It doesn't tend to go
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the way you planned it all out in your head. It tends to unfold in really ugly and unpredictable
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ways, which is why we ought to actually have a plan and devote some thought to it
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and think before we move and not just get all excited about let's go bomb something.
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The enemy gets a vote and it very well may be, I guess, a rigged election, certainly if the PRC is
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somehow involved. Sam Fattis, the audience always loves your perspective. We've got to get to
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everything going on in LA, speaking of kinetic conflict, so we're going to have to have you back.
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But in the meantime, if people want to follow you, get the Substack, stay up to date with everything.
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You're working on your insights as this region and regions much broader certainly heat up. Where can
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they go to do that? Go to And Magazine at Substack, andmagazine.substack.com, and that'll take you
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everywhere else we are on the web. Sam Fattis, thank you so much for joining us. Like I said,
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It is quite wild to me when you look at the rhetoric, whether it's between Democrats or
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Republicans, although I guess South Republicans and Democrats, they are so willing to talk so
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tough against MAGA, against you guys, the war room posse, the grassroots activists. Yet when it
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Welcome back to The War Room, where, of course, you've got to be checking out birchgold.com
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you've got to be looking at gold, giving Philip Patrick and the team a call. I want to pick up
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sort of where we left off. I think the broader idea, really precisely as to why striking, whatever,
00:31:28.460
invading Iran, would be so counter to what MAGA stands for, is that it takes our eye off the ball
00:31:34.460
away from what I think this audience, Steve, would agree with my consensus, that the primary threat,
00:31:42.100
enemy number one existential threat, is the PRC, their rising ambitions. Obviously, they prefer
00:31:46.880
infiltration as opposed to invasion, and they don't like kinetic conflicts. They would probably see
00:31:50.720
that as a sign that they've lost, at least per unrestricted warfare, the art of war, et cetera.
00:31:56.440
But it takes our eye off the ball. And one domain in particular, obviously, there's been a new rare
00:32:02.460
earth deal announced. You guys know we've been hammering that one pretty hard, given that the PRC,
00:32:06.720
I think has, what is it, 90% in terms of all the processing of rare earths, and I think 70%,
00:32:12.880
roughly, of the actual sourcing of them. Seems like we've got a deal that potentially sorted that
00:32:17.800
out. But another area, I'm sure you guys recall the whole Huawei back and forth, that they've really
00:32:24.200
been, I think, getting ahead of the United States is sort of the 5G race, the more advanced technology
00:32:30.840
stuff. And there's a great piece up in the blaze talking about the spectrum auctions, which is
00:32:36.520
something that's quite hot right now with a big, beautiful bill, but also since it's intricately
00:32:40.780
linked to Mark Milley, who, what was it? I think that he was caught, what was it, secretly back
00:32:46.140
channeling with the Chinese still waiting on those treason charges. Hopefully I won't have to hold my
00:32:50.740
breath that much longer. But the author of that piece, Colonel Rob Maness, who I think you were
00:32:55.240
on War Room with me out at AmFest in Phoenix, in honor to have you back on. I'd love to have you walk
00:33:02.500
through this article, particularly through the lens of why spaces like this, if we don't advance,
00:33:09.800
the PRC is going to be able to run circles around us. And as we trend towards potentially
00:33:14.860
kinetic conflict, this is a prime example of that sort of military-civil fusion that they
00:33:19.820
obviously have going on. But here in the United States, it seems like we're kind of asleep at the
00:33:24.700
Well, thanks for having me back on, Natalie. And you're absolutely right.
00:33:27.960
But in a slightly different tone, the PRC is already running circles around us
00:33:34.460
in this communication spectrum situation. The article I wrote was to highlight Mark Milley's
00:33:43.240
intransigence in allowing commercial development of the spectrum. You know, when the first Trump
00:33:49.200
administration ended, we had taken the lead in 5G and spectrum development. We were number one in
00:33:55.220
the Chinese communists. We're number 17. Now the script has flipped. We're close to 17 and China is
00:34:02.380
number one. And what does that do from a national security perspective? It stifles innovation and
00:34:09.120
development of all of the devices and all of the communications development in that part of the
00:34:16.440
spectrum that we need to use to put on a future battlefield if it, God forbid, it became necessary
00:34:22.620
to fight it against the Chinese. And it gives the Chinese communists a built-in inherent significant
00:34:29.940
advantage in technology. It's us and Mark Milley giving away our technological advantage, which is
00:34:36.800
what we've always held up. When people talk about the numbers of things like the Chinese Navy ships
00:34:42.780
outnumber our Navy today, but we always talk about our technology. Well, we are giving the Chinese
00:34:48.720
companies that lead and they are taking it readily and we've got to do something about it. I agree
00:34:54.840
with Steve. I think we got a court-martial Mark Milley. Heck yeah, it's long overdue. But to your
00:35:00.600
point, the ship buildup, I mean, the numbers are staggering. I think it's like 300 to 1 and certainly
00:35:05.440
not all of those are military vessels, but since essentially they all are, they're dormant military
00:35:10.760
vessels, it's absolutely insane. But I'd be curious to get your thoughts on sort of what the contours of
00:35:16.400
the modern battlefield look like. I think sometimes maybe people get upset. We're always focusing on
00:35:21.420
China, but the idea of this unrestricted warfare, that it's not just kinetic conflict, right? I think
00:35:26.120
you see the rare earths as a prime example. That was the leverage that they had over us that really
00:35:31.140
made us fold on the tariffs, right? The United States could not continue for more than two weeks
00:35:36.060
to have industrial levels of lifestyle and have your car work, batteries, all the rest,
00:35:42.200
since we're so reliant on them. So why do you think this field is particularly
00:35:46.940
important from, you know, whether it's Taiwan or what's looking potentially to be Iran in the
00:35:53.360
military space? Why is this so critical? Well, look, you've probably seen like everybody else has
00:36:00.420
the demonstration with 10,000 drones controlled by artificial intelligence, all able to fly in
00:36:06.920
commercial formations. That is the picture of the modern battlefield that's evolving and revealing
00:36:12.740
itself in places like the Ukraine and Russia war that we're seeing. And this space is critically
00:36:19.400
important for the United States to not only regain the advantage in that technology, but to take the
00:36:24.880
lead and keep the lead in that technology. Because any future battlefield, the Chinese Communist Party
00:36:30.260
has already developed those kind of things. The demonstration I just mentioned was a Chinese
00:36:35.660
government demonstration. And that's why it's important. And by the way, we're already in the
00:36:41.740
modern battlefield. I'm glad you brought up the unrestricted warfare. The Chinese declared a people's
00:36:47.260
war against us and unrestricted warfare years ago, years ago. And they are literally at war with us.
00:36:54.740
What you're seeing inside the United States today is part of that battlefield. And just imagine that if
00:37:01.500
these people were able to launch 10,000 drone swarms, all armed and all able to be targeted by artificial
00:37:09.020
intelligence at the people whose data they have been collecting for years and years and years
00:37:15.560
now, all at one time inside the United States to disrupt our society, that would be almost
00:37:26.860
And just the last question. I'm curious, obviously, Mark Milley, I don't think anyone in this audience
00:37:32.660
likes him. Real quick, just give us the case, whether I think this whole spectrum issue is a
00:37:39.140
prime example of just, it's not even just negligence. It almost rises to the level of intentional,
00:37:45.400
I think, just outright degradation of the United States military, national security, take your pick,
00:37:50.260
whatever words you want to use. But why you really think that he deserves to be court-martialed?
00:37:55.820
Well, there's three items. This is one of them. And, you know, he used and got the Pentagon to use
00:38:00.560
the trope that the Golden Dome would be disrupted and all that. And all of that's been taken off the
00:38:07.960
table. The reality is that the Golden Dome won't be disrupted in the military. The auctions of the
00:38:13.920
spectrum are very small. But the other two bigger issues is that he called the Chinese and the Trump
00:38:18.940
administration and said to his counterpart, I will call you if we're going to war with you.
00:38:23.860
That's number one. And number two, right closely behind that, he inserted himself in the nuclear
00:38:29.740
command and control decision-making process by telling the operations team at the Pentagon,
00:38:35.360
where I used to work, and helped write part of the nuclear decision handbook that's carried with
00:38:39.680
the president, so I understand it fully. He inserted himself in there illegally because,
00:38:44.300
according to the law, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs has no command authority. He's simply an
00:38:49.260
advisor. But he told those ops teams that they would call him if any situation came up in the use
00:38:56.020
of nuclear weapons and the decision to do that. That's blatantly illegal. Those three things make
00:39:02.120
the case for Mark Milley to be recalled from retirement and court-martialed at a minimum.
00:39:07.920
Case closed. Colonel Maness, thank you so much for joining us. We'll have you back on soon. I
00:39:15.200
really appreciate you writing articles like this. It's important that we understand the battlefield
00:39:20.120
is not just kinetic conflict. It's all the rare earths, the processing spectrum, you name it. I hope
00:39:27.080
we rise to the levels of productivity and advancement that we had under Trump 1. In the meantime, before we
00:39:33.540
have you back on, if people want to follow you, stay up to date with everything you're working on
00:39:36.820
writing. Where can they go to do that? The best place is go to robmaness.com or follow me on X at
00:39:43.620
Rob Maness. My show is live four days a week, 3 p.m. Eastern to 4 p.m. Eastern, Monday through Thursday.
00:39:49.580
You can find it on X. Thank you, sir. You have a good day. Thank you, Natalie. Of course.
00:39:57.900
Speaking of evolving battlefields, I guess we'll end the show, bring it all the way back home to my
00:40:04.560
hometown of Los Angeles. Although I think you could probably put that in the bucket of more
00:40:08.780
traditional kinetic type conflict. I will just point out, you know, think about all the, I'm sure,
00:40:14.080
ways that they were collecting. SIGINT, HUMAN, take your pick, on MAGA, all you, you know, Catholic
00:40:20.640
church attendees, people who prayed the rosary outside the abortion clinics, the lengths that the
00:40:26.300
administrative state, these rogue intel agencies were willing to go to, to collect on you guys,
00:40:31.560
put you in jail, threaten you guys, intimidate you. Seems like if you're basically a foreign
00:40:36.160
domestic terrorist waving foreign flags, I don't know. I guess there's not so much of a surveillance
00:40:42.360
program to go after you guys. Actually, instead, you get tons of millions of dollars worth of federal
00:40:47.800
funding, at least in the case of some of the groups that are organizing these protests out in LA.
00:40:52.720
We dove into this yesterday on the show, but I wanted to bring on Hudson Crozier from The Daily
00:40:57.580
Caller, who wrote a great piece chronicling really how so many of the groups that are involved in these,
00:41:03.840
I don't even call them protests, violent riots, are really hardwired in to the Democratic Party
00:41:09.120
apparatus, but also the money apparatus. I'm curious, go off, you got a lot of time, walk us through who
00:41:16.820
these groups are, the inflammatory rhetoric, who's funding them, and their ties, I mean, frankly,
00:41:22.040
to the Democratic Party. Right, so thank you for having me on, Natalie. It's not always,
00:41:28.340
whenever things like this happen, what's happening in LA, everybody wants to say who's funding this,
00:41:32.860
that's not always immediately clear for all of them. But the most interesting one, I think,
00:41:37.200
is the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights, or CHURLA, which started off some of the protests
00:41:45.040
on Friday before they got out of hand. And it has received, in 2023 alone, something like $34 million
00:41:52.120
in government grants under the Biden administration. 2023 is the latest tax filing that we have from
00:41:58.440
them, but there was more throughout the Biden presidency. But what happened that was really
00:42:04.040
interesting in LA is basically, the way it all started, is you had the Service Employees International,
00:42:09.900
or, sorry, SEIU, the acronym's escaping me, but it's the big pro-Democrat union in California, SEIU.
00:42:18.440
On Friday morning, their leader, David Huerta, got arrested, leader of the SEIU California chapter.
00:42:25.920
And that is really what kind of sparked this whole thing. He allegedly, according to the Department of
00:42:30.680
Justice, was gathered with a big crowd of people to try to block these ice trucks and stop these ice
00:42:36.940
raids from happening. And he got arrested. And then immediately, or simultaneously, the SEIU and
00:42:44.640
a bunch of leftist groups in the area just start spamming this same social media graphic from SEIU
00:42:51.600
saying, you know, ICE is kidnapping people. We need to show up at this federal building at 300 North
00:42:57.780
Los Angeles Street today at 4 p.m. and, you know, stand up to these pigs, these fascists, whatever.
00:43:03.020
And so SEIU and CHERLA hosted this little press conference. And that was originally all that it
00:43:10.260
was marketed to be. And then some individuals, whether they were part of any of these groups
00:43:15.320
officially or not, hundreds of people showed up to that federal building. And then that's when
00:43:20.220
everything started to go haywire, objects being thrown and vandalism. And then the clashes with police
00:43:26.560
started. And the rest is history. We have dealt with that in L.A. for a solid week now.
00:43:33.940
And walk us through how this is metastasizing throughout the country. Obviously, it's popping
00:43:38.920
off in New York. Frankly, I think it started probably with those Democratic members of Congress
00:43:42.820
storming bizarrely, I guess not so bizarrely for the modern-day Democratic Party, that ICE facility.
00:43:48.720
How do you see this sort of replicating state by state?
00:43:53.460
So we've seen as of Monday and Tuesday night and the afternoon a little bit, this has spread to
00:44:01.620
Denver, Seattle, and Austin, cities like that. And all of those cities have the same thing in common
00:44:10.220
politically. And I'll let your audience figure that one out for yourselves. But same type of thing
00:44:16.220
going on, clashes with police, things being thrown allegedly, lots and lots of arrests. But I will
00:44:22.480
say it hasn't gotten any more insane than in Los Angeles, where there are hundreds of arrests. I have
00:44:32.220
And I'm just curious, you've obviously been reporting for a while. Is this sort of the typical playbook
00:44:37.600
that you see for a lot of these, what I call planned spontaneity, whether it was the George Floyd
00:44:42.580
stuff, the BLM stuff, where there's such a drive and desire for the stuff to be depicted as organic
00:44:48.260
and natural. But in reality, it's all funded by the same people, whether it's, you know, the Tides
00:44:54.320
Foundation, these kind of left-wing grant-making organizations that are funding, in some cases,
00:44:59.180
Democratic candidates or just, you know, more mainstream Democratic causes. But this is pretty
00:45:06.940
It does echo some scenes from the BLM days where some of these people appear to be professional
00:45:12.700
agitators of some kind. There are a couple of reporters on the ground in L.A. who have reported
00:45:18.760
that they've seen people driving up in trucks and handing out these protective face shields to the
00:45:25.540
other rioters. I don't know what organization or group they might be a part of. I won't throw that
00:45:30.320
accusation around flippantly, but some kind of trained agitator thing going on there. And then
00:45:36.320
they're handing out other things like earplugs and gas masks, and everything looks like they are
00:45:41.900
bracing for confrontation with police. And there was another thing in the BLM era. There's this whole
00:45:48.160
phenomenon of legal observers, where these groups like the National Lawyers Guild will send out
00:45:54.540
these attorneys or at least legal experts of some kind to just sit and surveil the rioting going on,
00:46:01.680
to watch if police do anything in response that they deem to be too much so that they can sue later.
00:46:09.620
And CHURLA, the immigrant group that I mentioned, said to the New York Post that they were sending out
00:46:15.300
legal observers as the rioting broke out on Friday. So we have that same type of thing going on.
00:46:20.120
They are not there to tell people to calm the heck down. They're only there to dig up whatever
00:46:27.360
they can so they can sue the police later for anything that they do in response to try to
00:46:31.400
maintain order. The irony of legal observers observing illegal aliens protesting against the
00:46:39.900
country that they invaded, that they so desperately don't want to be deported from. That's too much
00:46:45.960
irony and hypocrisy even for me. Hudson, we'll have you back on soon. Wonderful reporting. In the
00:46:50.900
meantime, if people want to follow you and stay up to date with your work, where can they go to do
00:46:54.380
that? Just follow me on X, where, funny enough, a lot of this social media outrage campaign was
00:47:01.300
happening. But anyways, yeah, X. Just look at my name, Hudson Crozier. That's C-R-O-Z-I-E-R. But more
00:47:07.840
importantly, go to the Daily Caller News Foundation, where I'm cranking out stories every day on
00:47:12.640
crime and extremism all over the country. Thank you, sir, for joining us. We'll have you back on.
00:47:23.400
Warren Posse, things are certainly heating up, whether it's what's going on in Iran,
00:47:28.140
more broadly, umbrella with China, though there was a rare earth deal reached. But I think that
00:47:34.700
the Millie point, right, how he was back channeling with CCP military leaders, the, I guess it would be
00:47:41.620
Ministry of Defense. That's their equivalent to the Secretary of Defense over here. That
00:47:48.420
we have appropriated the tactics that the PRC uses to influence and infiltrate the broader world. But
00:47:57.120
the American ruling class, much like we talk about elite, not just compromise, but elite merger. I mean,
00:48:02.780
those are the tactics that you see being used in Los Angeles, right? You have the three warfares
00:48:07.640
doctrine, which is public opinion warfare, psychological warfare, and legal warfare or
00:48:13.520
lawfare, which I know you might be saying, Natalie, stop. That's the modern day Democratic Party. That's
00:48:18.420
what they did to President Trump for the last four years. But when you look at the public opinion
00:48:21.940
warfare, you see that with the way that they're trying to dominate the media narratives, the sort
00:48:26.240
of victim blaming, oh, these poor people want to be here because they're, you know, picking the
00:48:30.320
strawberries. I would always say to MSNBC, if the best argument you have to allow 10 plus million
00:48:36.440
invaders to stay in this country is because of, I guess it wasn't the avocados this time, it was the
00:48:41.280
strawberries. That's not the strongest argument I've ever heard. But the psychological warfare,
00:48:45.800
you see that they're terrorizing the cities of Los Angeles. They can essentially throw rocks at cars.
00:48:50.940
And thank God we have people like Kash Patel in power. But if Kamala Harris had won, be a very
00:48:56.100
different outcome, although I guess they wouldn't be protesting the deportations. They'd be protesting
00:49:01.320
who knows what. But I think the lawfare point that Hudson makes is very interesting too, right? They
00:49:06.560
have these legal observers there trying to sue police officers. And I think the buried lead to of
00:49:12.580
the funding of these groups, it's not just the magnitude of federal funds that they're getting,
00:49:17.860
right? When you talk about doge, waste, fraud, and abuse, that's a prime example. And I remember one of
00:49:24.380
the contracts that this group Churla got was for something euphemistically described as citizenship
00:49:29.340
and naturalization services. That's how it is itemized in the federal spending database.
00:49:35.280
I don't know about you guys. I don't know what the heck that means. It's probably nothing good,
00:49:38.980
a group that doesn't believe in citizenship because they don't believe in borders or a country.
00:49:43.220
I'm not sure what they're going to be doing to help people. But it all comes together,
00:49:48.180
right? Because it's very concerning when you see these groups, not just receiving tens of millions
00:49:54.980
of dollars, probably at the end of the day, if you amalgamate all of them, you're talking,
00:49:58.660
I mean, billions of dollars, but it's the overall percentage, right? So when you talk about these
00:50:04.960
color revolutions and these astroturfed groups, Churla, for example, I think it's like upwards of 90%
00:50:10.900
of their budget is derived from federal funding. So in other words, no people organically are
00:50:18.560
supporting this, right? And I'm not even talking about the paying the protesters and propping them
00:50:23.680
up. I'm talking about these groups just at the NGO funding level. It's very weird to have these like
00:50:29.660
public private partnerships where these so-called NGOs are effectively geos. There's no non-component.
00:50:36.020
And like I said, you juxtapose that with how the equivalent of what I would say MAGA NGOs,
00:50:42.040
right? That's you guys, the grassroots, the people who are not being paid by the government
00:50:45.820
are just doing things out of the goodness of their heart, knocking doors, praying the rosary,
00:50:51.240
going to traditional Latin mass, standing outside abortion clinics, right? That's true activism that
00:50:56.340
the left has to pay for. You certainly interact with government and federal resources, except they're
00:51:02.540
not to support your cause, they're to surveil you and probably tap your phones and set you up in
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weird kidnapping plots like they did with Whitmer in Michigan. And that right there is the core of
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what deconstructing the administrative state is about. And I think what's going on in LA is a prime
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example of this weird sort of convergence of all these forces. And then you got the generals and MSNBC
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pushing for, I guess, a full-blown invasion of everything that's going on in Iran, which like
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we said, is going to dovetail, not going to, but it does with, uh, with Chinese airspace and Chinese
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military equipment. Turbulent times, turbulent times. We'll see you guys tomorrow. Stay back.
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So make sure you tune in at 10 a.m. Thank you for hanging with me and have a good night.
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