In a landmark ruling, the Supreme Court struck down a Tennessee law that banned chemical and surgical transing of minors in that state. This is a huge victory for the fight against the sex-affirming industry, and a huge blow against the child sex castration industry.
00:01:45.000You've got some good news, breaking news coming out of the Supreme Court today.
00:01:51.000John Roberts seems to be the head of a 6-3 majority here discussing, I think, allowing a Tennessee law that prohibited transgender meddling, biological medical meddling on youth.
00:02:10.000And the Supreme Court has upheld that.
00:02:13.000Tell me, Brandon, what are the implications of this?
00:02:16.000And what exactly did the Supreme Court decide?
00:02:21.000Because I know that Justice Sotomayor did a little bit of showboating and took the unusual step of actually reading out from the bench her dissenting opinion.
00:02:31.000But first, tell us what the Supreme Court said.
00:02:34.000And then I think I think other states as well, some 20, 28 or so other states have similar laws on the statute.
00:02:43.000But tell us a bit then about what the Supreme Court said and what the implications of that are for the rest of the United States.
00:02:50.000It's an absolutely huge ruling, Ben, landmark, if I must say.
00:02:56.000The Supreme Court in a 6-3 ruling just out this morning, and it was spearheaded by Chief Justice John Roberts, allowed Tennessee's law to prohibit the chemical and surgical transing of minors to stand, saying that it did not violate the 14th Amendment.
00:03:12.000And basically what that means, it was an equal protection case.
00:03:16.000And so whether or not, quote unquote, transgender minors constituted a special category that would rise to the level of strict scrutiny as required by the law.
00:03:26.000So the implications of this are absolutely massive.
00:03:29.000And I thought Justice Thomas had a great concurrence when he said that basically he was demolishing the supposed experts and say, when you've got an evolving field of medicine, you don't really know.
00:03:45.000You have to defer to the people who are making the laws like the legislature.
00:03:49.000And this was part of Justice Roberts' argument during oral arguments as well, that there's so much that is unknown about this.
00:03:55.000And the justices in black robes are not doctors.
00:03:58.000And so in his concurrence, Justice Thomas skewered the supposed experts, namely what you think of as WPATH, who hold themselves out, the World Professional Association of Transgender Health, those types who hold themselves out as experts when in fact they are activists.
00:04:14.000And so this was a rebuke of activist medicine.
00:04:17.000Justice Barrett also had a very good concurrence.
00:04:20.000I know there have been people in the war room posse that haven't been so keen on Justice Barrett's rulings of late, but on this, she was fantastic.
00:04:28.000And it's a six to three decisive decision.
00:04:31.000And of course, predictably, the leftist justices on the bench, including Sotomayor, are dissenting from this case.
00:04:38.000But it is hard to overstate, Ben, how enormous this is because this is a huge precedent-setting legal blow against the child castration industry.
00:04:48.000And it's not overstating it to call it that.
00:04:55.000The opinion didn't go as far as it could have gone, and it does use some language that I don't use in terms of labeling people transgender when in fact that itself is a falsehood.
00:05:40.000Brandon, you mentioned Justice Amy Foney Barrett just now.
00:05:45.000Tell me, what conclusions are you drawing by the fact that she's back now solidly in this 6-3 majority?
00:05:53.000Because regular viewers to the war room will notice that she's been sort of, she's split from the MAGA position.
00:06:00.000And there's a lot of dissatisfaction of that.
00:06:03.000The strong indication is that she was put there by President Trump effectively to sort of uphold a lot of the philosophy of what his administration is trying to achieve.
00:06:14.000And she's sort of been dissenting quite a bit, sort of putting herself along with another great dissenter, John Roberts.
00:06:21.000You see the 6-3 majority down ideological lines.
00:06:24.000What do you say about that and specifically about Amy Foney Barrett herself joining this 6-3 majority?
00:06:31.000Well, there's nothing phony about her in this ruling.
00:06:35.000And I actually know a friend of hers personally who I always thought that she would be on the right side of this issue.
00:06:41.000Basically, in her concurrence in this case, she sort of skewers the notion that trans is some immutable trait.
00:06:50.000I mean, I'm just going to read from her concurrence now.
00:06:52.000And it says, to begin, transgender status is not marked by some sort of obvious immutable or distinguishing characteristics as race or sex.
00:07:00.000And so for her to understand and to articulate that, that, you know, it's impossible to be born in the wrong body, essentially, it really sort of skewers this Gnostic notion that you can be the other sex.
00:07:12.000And so that was it was great to see from her, you know, she I think with the war room posse, they haven't always agreed, obviously, with Barrett's decisions.
00:07:22.000But on the social issues, it's she's right there.
00:07:25.000I mean, she was as people will remember, she was the fifth vote to in the Dobbs decision overturning Roe versus Wade.
00:07:32.000And so, I mean, it's you know, say what you will, I do not think that had Hillary Clinton put those three justices, that we would have gotten this ruling today.
00:07:43.000So even even with the disagreements that people have had with some of Gorsuch and Kavanaugh and Barrett's rulings, there's no question that this law would probably they would have struck it down had three leftist judges been put on the bench.
00:07:58.000And I don't think there's any question about that. So I can't complain at all.
00:08:02.000And I'm just thrilled to see the Supreme Court uphold Tennessee's law.
00:08:06.000Many people have prayed for this day. I'll just reiterate that.
00:08:10.000Brandon, I'm very grateful for you coming on the show.
00:08:13.000It's such short notice to to help break this down.
00:08:17.000But before you go, just looking to the future, what does this mean?
00:08:20.000This this ruling today mean in general for the 14th Amendment and the Equal Protection Clause itself?
00:08:28.000Does this does this indicate that that Equal Protection Clause really can't be invoked going forward specifically with regards to the transgender issue or does it leave it open for adults?
00:08:43.000That remains to be seen. But what my read on this is, is that the Supreme Court has struck a major blow to this ideological cause.
00:08:52.000It's possible that trans activists will try to challenge to challenge us on other grounds.
00:08:58.000But I think it indicates that the Supreme Court is not too keen on this notion at all.
00:09:05.000Justice Thomas, in his concurrence, also made the point that children can't consent.
00:09:11.000And so I I don't think that if trans activists and their allies in the legal field are going to be too keen on going to the Supreme Court for redress on this basis, it's possible.
00:09:26.000But this is this is just such a major blow to have the Supreme Court say no to this, even though the opinion doesn't go as far as I think some would like.
00:09:34.000I don't think that Equal Protection Grounds 14th Amendment questions with regard to transgenderism are going to pass muster at the Supreme Court for adults or kids.
00:09:42.000It remains to be seen, of course, and there might be some other legal avenue they'll try.
00:09:46.000But again, to have this this really is a landmark ruling and to see it six to three coming out in Tennessee's favor, I think.
00:09:54.000And then this is I'll just add that in a few weeks, the Federal Trade Commission, I said this last time I was on the War Room.
00:10:00.000The Federal Trade Commission is going to be putting on a day long event where they will they will expose so-called gender affirming care as a kind of consumer fraud.
00:10:10.000And so that's in keeping with President Trump's executive order from January 28th, which empowered all the federal agencies to take appropriate action from from what from their purchase.
00:10:19.000And so I think we're hopefully we can keep praying, seeing the death of the gender industry altogether.
00:10:25.000So this ruling is just one key crucial blow against it.
00:10:30.000But it's all part of a much larger push that the federal government is taking to end this scourge.
00:10:37.000Brandon Showalter, you're doing fantastic work that the Christian Post, where do people go on social media to keep up with your analysis and the breaking news that you're covering?
00:11:02.000It will be out in several weeks, a few weeks.
00:11:04.000Christian Post dot com to get all of our print reporting.
00:11:07.000And if you I'm already hearing from parents who are just so grateful for today's ruling, including one who's featured in the dead name documentary film.
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00:11:27.000It's just such a it's a sea change that three years ago, this they tried to censor that film.
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00:13:15.000Okay, let's go now to something which I think we've been hinting at on this show quite a bit,
00:13:23.000which is the suppression of traditional Catholicism that has continued.
00:13:29.000Continued, let's use the term seamless garment, that's really what it is, from Bergoglio stage name Pope Francis to Leo XIV.
00:13:41.000Frank Walker, tell me about the latest developments in Detroit, because this was widely expected, was it not?
00:13:50.040The bishop there in Detroit has suppressed 10 parish churches that were celebrating the traditional Latin mass,
00:14:00.040that mass that goes back 1,700 years, and that has been, the persecution continues.
00:14:08.040Tell us a bit about that and what the conclusion is that you draw from it.
00:14:14.040Well, he, you know, they had a lot of good Latin masses in Detroit.
00:15:34.040As we, you know, originally here in the history of Christianity and their portrayal of Pope Leo XIV to some kind of brush of fresh air and a great change and a great opening to traditional Catholics.
00:15:44.040And we're trying to drill down on that very strongly and urge caution.
00:15:49.040We're urging caution on that analysis.
00:15:52.040And in keeping with that narrative, you're seeing here what was, what is being spun in the Trad Inc. press.
00:16:01.040As we know, originally here, Bishop Watt Weisenberger was just going to suppress the TLM, the traditional Latin mass everywhere in the diocese.
00:16:10.040But actually he's now created these, thanks to the presence of Holy Pope Leo, he's now created this, this, this dispensation, if you will, in the non parish churches of, of, of, of this allowance, which is an indication of, of, of all the blessings that we can, can expect.
00:16:28.040And, but Frank, my reading of this is, is that Bishop Weisenberger had always planned to make some kind of allowance outside of the parish scene available.
00:16:39.040And, you know, if you go back to his earlier April statement, he definitely did say he was going to prohibit it in, in the parishes and, and make some allowance.
00:16:47.040Do you think that this is an indication that the Trad Inc. press is running, is this evidence of our thesis, Frank Walker, that Trad Inc. is running, running away with itself a little bit too much on the, on, on their narrative here?
00:17:03.040They, they are quieter, they seem quieter this week, which is, you know, they, they've been spiking all the strong Leo stories.
00:17:10.040And, you know, this shows you how important the bishops are.
00:17:13.080And one of the things that, that, you know, besides just the targeting of Latin mass communities all around the world, also in France and, and, and, and Argentina and Australia, the bishops are so important.
00:17:25.100And today you look at the topic, Canon 212 today, there's a picture of a new bishop in Brisbane.
00:17:30.820I've never seen anything like him before.
00:17:33.240I mean, I've seen bishops that don't look too much like bishops, but this guy, this guy looks like he's on Wall Street or something.
00:17:53.660Leo is the one who's gently going to like sit there and behind the scenes, let everybody else seem to do the dirty work.
00:18:00.040Well, everything becomes the new church that the enemies of the church have been dreaming of for a long time.
00:18:06.300And I, I, you know, the thesis of the war room is that the, the, the key virtue, if one can use the word virtue in this context of, of, um, his, you know, I think I'm the only, you know, I think Frank, you and I were probably the only people who will refer to Leo XIV as his holiness in a sarcastic tone of voice.
00:18:24.120This is the great virtue, virtue of his holiness is that I think discreetly is going to make sure everybody has the Vatican's IBAN code to be making those, those donations.
00:18:33.620On that point, we're going to come back to later on in the show, because there's something I think that that confirms our thesis.
00:18:38.660But having hit this, oh, look, before we go to Liz, um, on this, uh, and discuss what's going on, um, with the Southern Baptist,
00:18:46.020just say to our Protestant audience, why is this important that the traditional Catholic movement has a, a strong purchase in the culture?
00:18:57.560Well, it's, um, you know, we have a lot in common.
00:19:00.860We're not allowed to, like, like, you're going to go to an article about the Baptists.
00:19:04.400They're sort of allowed to move with their own people, with the movement of society that's moving towards the right.
00:19:09.680Right. No longer, since we've had Francis, can the Catholics that are faithful, that are conservative, that are politically effective, no longer can they have a voice.
00:19:19.140So the Protestants, they, they look at us and I think they, they, you know, they already, already are suspicious,
00:19:24.100but they need to know that we're out there and that like them, we're sort of been pushed out of the Catholic hierarchy in a way.
00:19:31.580That they need to, they need to have some kind of solidarity with us because in so many ways we have so much in common and, uh, you know, they, they need to understand that about us.
00:19:43.200Stay there, Frank. We'll come back to you later on in the show.
00:19:47.000Liz, uh, Frank's point there about, um, solidarity between the, the Southern Baptists and, uh, that is to say the conservative,
00:19:56.000biblical based evangelicals, um, and traditional Catholics.
00:20:00.700I think it's absolutely perfect. And before we dig into, to, to, to the, uh, the Southern Baptist convention that took place last week in Dallas,
00:20:08.700let's just recall the fact that, that the late unlamented Pope Francis actually came out and said, you know,
00:20:17.760because all we've had for 60 years in the Catholic church is this, we've been force fed, like, like foie gras,
00:20:23.860Greece, foie gras, geese. We've been force fed this radical ecumenical agenda. Um, but all it's really been are, are Protestants who don't believe a word of their faith,
00:20:37.220getting together with Catholics who don't believe a word of their faith, pushing out these press releases,
00:20:42.760interminable and readable press releases where they say how much they have in common. Of course they have so much in common.
00:20:47.940None of them agree with the fundamental tenets of their faith. And it's all a grift.
00:20:52.720Um, and the late unlamented Francis actually came out and said, specifically with the, with the pro-life, um, movement in mind,
00:21:04.080he's against the ecumenism of conservative evangelicals and traditional Catholics coming together to witness on the pro-life front.
00:21:12.040Um, and I think that's probably of all the really scandalous things he's done that I think for me,
00:21:18.160it's got to be up there in the top 10. Look, we've got some good news today coming out from, um,
00:21:23.780or that we're going to hit on the show today coming out from, um, from, uh, uh, uh, uh, our Protestant brethren.
00:21:29.060Why don't you just tell us a bit about what happened then in Dallas last week?
00:21:32.920Yeah. And, and, and, you know, this is, this is the very thing that moves the culture
00:21:37.840and moves the Supreme court to the decision we have today is the people speaking out,
00:21:44.480victims speaking out, um, brave doctors speaking out. So what the largest Protestant denomination,
00:21:51.500the Southern Baptists are over, um, 12 million point seven of them. Um, they listed, um, a number
00:21:58.900of proposals, one demanding an overturning of laws, rulings, um, throughout the United States
00:22:06.580regarding the, um, marriage of between a man and a woman. They are asking for a overturning of the
00:22:15.160Obergefell lawsuit, uh, decision by the Supreme court, which, um, legalized same-sex marriage.
00:22:24.960And these are the kinds of things that the, the churches should do in leading the culture.
00:22:31.600Additionally, they went after all the social issues in this convention. They went after sports
00:22:38.340betting. They went after, um, the chemical abortion pill demanding that the Trump administration
00:22:45.720outlawed. They encouraged laws that affirm marriage between a man and a woman, and also encouraged
00:22:53.000policies that support families, um, whether they be tax policies, legal policies. Um, and so they are
00:23:01.780actually, this is a Roman Catholic saying this, leading the way, um, in this cultural battle, bringing
00:23:08.640moral clarity to the issues that are impacting our culture here in the United States. And it's a wonderful
00:23:17.380thing to see. Let, let, let, let me just, uh, stop you there. Two things, um, before we go on,
00:23:23.920you mentioned Obergefell, right? Um, does the Catholic church have an opinion, have a, or at least does
00:23:30.740the Catholic church bishops conference have a formal position on lobbying the, in any U.S. administration
00:23:38.500to get that, to get that overturned or repealed? Well, um, frankly, we hear much more about deportations
00:23:46.580than we do about same-sex marriage. Um, frankly, we have, we, there should be a constant drumbeat
00:23:53.560from the bishops conference. In fact, what, what did we hear from the bishops conference about the same
00:24:00.260time as the Southern Baptists? They were expressing their pain over the mass deportations. That's what our
00:24:08.060bishops were doing with respect to an issue that is overwhelmingly supported by, um, American Catholics
00:24:15.560and Americans. And we don't hear them expressing pain over their countless victims that have been
00:24:21.680killed, maimed by illegal aliens who, um, entered this country illegally. And so you have the politicization
00:24:30.520of the Catholic church, the radicalization, the modernization of the Catholic church, embracing the
00:24:36.640left issues, and you have the Southern Baptists in their conferences, embracing those moral standards,
00:24:44.080which built this country, which built Western civilization, and, and being the sole voice,
00:24:52.140you know, in, in all of this to demand that we get back to our moral roots, those things that kept
00:24:59.260our country strong. Liz, I'm going to hold you on over the break, uh, to dig down on this, but just
00:25:05.920give me sort of 90 seconds, will you? Because you just mentioned that the, that the Southern Baptists
00:25:10.600are leading the way on this issue in the, the culture wars. Why do you think that is? Do you think
00:25:16.360there's some element here that nature abhors a vacuum and the, the Protestants are going in there
00:25:22.700to occupy the space that the Catholic church had occupied, uh, and then relinquished for many
00:25:28.080decades? Yeah, there could very well be, um, whatever the motivation, um, they are listening
00:25:34.440to their people. They are reading the tea leaves about the destruction of abortion on the culture
00:25:39.620on families, the destruction of pornography and, and betting and the destruction of marriage.
00:25:47.860They are, I think, much closer to their people and listening to, um, what their people are asking
00:25:55.200for. And so I think, um, it's a, it's a cultural shift. Um, you know, if you believe in ecumenism,
00:26:01.440like the modern Catholic bishops do, I think they would be well advised to take a page from the strong
00:26:10.220moral voice, the cultural bomb that has just been dropped by the Southern Baptists. And you know what?
00:26:15.900We are going to see the fruits of this advocacy by the Southern Baptists. I promise you we'll see
00:26:21.820it in Supreme court decisions. We'll see it in policies from the Trump administration. And so it
00:26:27.520is speaking out despite the fact that the media may think it's, or the culture may think it's old
00:26:33.540fashioned. They speak from a biblical center. Liz, hold on to this. We're going to come back to these,
00:26:41.200uh, spiritual fruits and political fruits in just a moment after this short break.
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00:31:02.860Welcome back. Liz, let's just finish this point with you. I noticed that USA Today, in writing about last
00:31:17.220week's Southern Baptist Convention, wrote that the predominant group of evangelical Christians in
00:31:24.840the country continues to move sharply to the right. Now, whether you accept that analysis or not,
00:31:31.140whether you think they're simply just asserting a position that they have had for decades,
00:31:36.660would you suggest that there is some element of the Trump effect taking place within
00:31:42.400the conservative evangelical sphere? That is to say, having such an unashamed
00:31:52.300proponent within the culture wars at America's highest office, is that sort of reinforcing,
00:31:59.760you think, the Protestant troops. Let's not forget that this convention was comprised of 10,000 or so
00:32:06.560messengers. So when you say that the leadership is listening, that the distance between the leadership
00:32:14.640and their faithful is a lot closer than in the Catholic Church. Firstly, do you think there's
00:32:22.780something here that we see of the Trump effect? And secondly, Pope Francis constantly hectored his
00:32:31.880bishops to smell the odour of the sheep, right, of his flocks. From his perspective, what he was
00:32:43.740really agitating for was an undoing of Catholic Church teaching by projecting the fact onto the faithful,
00:32:51.980a huge progressive liberal desire that simply, I don't believe, exists in the laities. They're
00:32:58.940in the episcopacy. So those two things, Liz, do you think that this is the Trump, we can see something
00:33:04.940of the Trump effect working amongst conservative evangelicals? And do you think that they are doing
00:33:12.100in practice in an authentic way what Pope Francis, in a duplicitous way, intended for the Catholic Church?
00:33:20.500Well, I think certainly everybody's getting courage to speak out, to push the absolute moral center to
00:33:29.780become a larger and larger tent for all of us, that we are no longer afraid to speak out, because we
00:33:39.380have learned from Donald Trump. And we see that he follows through on the things that he said during
00:33:46.820his campaign. You know, it's interesting you bring this up, the Trump effect, because at the same time
00:33:52.900that the Southern Baptists were pushing for the elimination of the abortion pill in the United
00:34:00.420States. UK, as you well know, approved abortion up to birth. These cultural struggles have to be
00:34:09.860led by someone. It's either the left or the right. And if the Catholic Protestant leaders
00:34:18.500aren't leading these struggles, they are going to be, the void is going to be filled by the radical left,
00:34:25.780by the Marxists. I mean, and that is truly what Francis was pushing. Liberation theology, Marxist theology,
00:34:35.300which did not talk about the foundation of Catholicism, the foundation of moral thought,
00:34:42.660which was the creation and protection of children, of families, of the ability to build a civilization
00:34:52.180on peace, on prosperity. And we know that Francis hated the United States, the capitalist system.
00:35:01.140And so I think we're seeing, and I'm hoping, hopefully the UK will catch that Trump effect
00:35:07.620with these moral issues. We've got to have these discussions. And we just saw the effect of mothers
00:35:14.980and fathers in hospitals fighting, fighting the hospital systems and the massive bureaucracies that
00:35:23.140were pushing for, you know, this extravagant gender mutilation. And, you know, the dark history
00:35:30.260of this mutilation, gender mutilation and abortion. We're going to look back in 50 years and people
00:35:37.780will say, what was wrong with these people that they were doing these horrible things to their
00:35:43.380children? And so we've got to have leaders. We've got to have leaders on these moral issues.
00:35:50.100Liz, well, we're going to come back to you a little later on in the show. Before we go to Jenny Holland
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00:37:21.140to see Francis Collins there on the church speaking circuit in San Francisco. After all,
00:37:31.780everything that Liseau was just the great news she was telling us about Protestants in their Southern
00:37:38.100Baptist Convention and what Frank was telling us about the suppression of traditional Catholicism out
00:37:44.420in Detroit. Tell us about this new Old Testament prophet that is going around in the churches. What
00:37:52.900gospel exactly is he preaching? That's a very good question, Ben. Thanks for having me back.
00:38:00.980Yeah, I was as surprised as anyone to open this link from Vanity Fair, a piece they ran in April of this
00:38:07.860year that opens up with Dr. Francis Collins, formerly of National Institutes of Health, attending an event
00:38:17.220in San Francisco called Code and Cosmos, a tech gathering to ponder the existence of God. And it
00:38:26.180has some choice quotes from Dr. Collins like, what is the basis for morality? And things like, his
00:38:33.860Christian faith has never once come into conflict with his deep scientific, rigorous scientific
00:38:40.660knowledge. And I would love to know, those of us who've lived through COVID and remember it well,
00:38:46.820we would love to know more about this and how he manages to reconcile the two worldviews. And it
00:38:55.140unfortunately doesn't include him being quoted as saying, mea culpa, mea culpa. But maybe that will be in
00:39:01.060a follow-up. The whole article was very interesting because it's suggesting that Christianity has
00:39:09.300come not just to Gen Z and some Gen X, but Silicon Valley itself, which is really the belly of the beast,
00:39:16.340or at least seems that way from the outside to a lot of us. And it's a fascinating article. It is
00:39:23.620filled with absolutely telling nuggets of information, really, really indicative of where the culture is
00:39:31.700at at the moment. And by culture, I mean, I don't mean the MAGA culture, I mean the mainstream
00:39:38.340professional managerial class culture, of which Silicon Valley always has seemed to me at least to
00:39:44.420be on the vanguard. You know, that's where the smart boys and girls are. And even there, or maybe
00:39:51.780especially there, God is starting to make a reappearance. And I think that is an incredibly
00:39:59.780significant fact, although it would all be wise to treat it with some skepticism.
00:40:06.100Jenny, I tell you what I think, looking at politics, you know when something is on the up,
00:40:15.860when it really is having success. Because you can see all of the grifters starting to gravitate towards
00:40:24.100it like moths to a lantern on a July or August night on a porch, right? That I think, the fact that
00:40:33.300people like Francis Collins, you sort of say that, you mentioned that God is starting to make a
00:40:41.860a reappearance in San Francisco. I think that's how you know, that's how you know that there is
00:40:47.060something going on deep on under the level in American culture. Because you have these people
00:40:53.060who've never demonstrated any remotely, anything remotely Christian about them, sort of coming in,
00:40:59.060and now sort of trying to hoist themselves onto the bandwagon. What do you think to that? Is that,