Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 792： BREAKING： SCOTUS Upholds Tennessee Ban On Treatment To Transgender Minors

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00:00:34.000 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:00:38.000 If that answer is to save my country,

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00:00:44.000 War Room.

00:00:45.000 Here's your host, Stephen K. Vann.

00:00:54.000 Good evening.

00:00:55.000 Wednesday 18th of June.

00:00:57.000 Anno Domini,

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00:00:59.000 Harnwell here at the helm.

00:01:00.000 So we've got a packed show for you guys today.

00:01:03.000 We're going to Detroit to talk about the suppression,

00:01:06.000 the further ongoing suppression of traditional Catholicism.

00:01:10.000 We'll be hitting that with Frank Walker a little later on the show.

00:01:14.000 San Francisco,

00:01:16.000 where we'll be discussing with Jenny Holland.

00:01:19.000 Francis Collins is on the church speaking circuit.

00:01:23.000 Yes, it is that Francis Collins of COVID fame.

00:01:27.000 We'll also be going out with Liz Yor to discuss what's going on over it with our friends,

00:01:33.000 the Southern Baptist and their convention in Dallas.

00:01:36.000 Some good news coming out from there last week.

00:01:40.000 But first, Brandon Showalter from the Christian Post.

00:01:43.000 Brandon, welcome onto the show again.

00:01:45.000 You've got some good news, breaking news coming out of the Supreme Court today.

00:01:51.000 John Roberts seems to be the head of a 6-3 majority here discussing, I think, allowing a Tennessee law that prohibited transgender meddling, biological medical meddling on youth.

00:02:10.000 And the Supreme Court has upheld that.

00:02:13.000 Tell me, Brandon, what are the implications of this?

00:02:16.000 And what exactly did the Supreme Court decide?

00:02:21.000 Because I know that Justice Sotomayor did a little bit of showboating and took the unusual step of actually reading out from the bench her dissenting opinion.

00:02:31.000 But first, tell us what the Supreme Court said.

00:02:34.000 And then I think I think other states as well, some 20, 28 or so other states have similar laws on the statute.

00:02:43.000 But tell us a bit then about what the Supreme Court said and what the implications of that are for the rest of the United States.

00:02:50.000 It's an absolutely huge ruling, Ben, landmark, if I must say.

00:02:56.000 The Supreme Court in a 6-3 ruling just out this morning, and it was spearheaded by Chief Justice John Roberts, allowed Tennessee's law to prohibit the chemical and surgical transing of minors to stand, saying that it did not violate the 14th Amendment.

00:03:12.000 And basically what that means, it was an equal protection case.

00:03:16.000 And so whether or not, quote unquote, transgender minors constituted a special category that would rise to the level of strict scrutiny as required by the law.

00:03:26.000 So the implications of this are absolutely massive.

00:03:29.000 And I thought Justice Thomas had a great concurrence when he said that basically he was demolishing the supposed experts and say, when you've got an evolving field of medicine, you don't really know.

00:03:43.000 There's so much that's unknown.

00:03:45.000 You have to defer to the people who are making the laws like the legislature.

00:03:49.000 And this was part of Justice Roberts' argument during oral arguments as well, that there's so much that is unknown about this.

00:03:55.000 And the justices in black robes are not doctors.

00:03:58.000 And so in his concurrence, Justice Thomas skewered the supposed experts, namely what you think of as WPATH, who hold themselves out, the World Professional Association of Transgender Health, those types who hold themselves out as experts when in fact they are activists.

00:04:14.000 And so this was a rebuke of activist medicine.

00:04:17.000 Justice Barrett also had a very good concurrence.

00:04:20.000 I know there have been people in the war room posse that haven't been so keen on Justice Barrett's rulings of late, but on this, she was fantastic.

00:04:28.000 And it's a six to three decisive decision.

00:04:31.000 And of course, predictably, the leftist justices on the bench, including Sotomayor, are dissenting from this case.

00:04:38.000 But it is hard to overstate, Ben, how enormous this is because this is a huge precedent-setting legal blow against the child castration industry.

00:04:48.000 And it's not overstating it to call it that.

00:04:51.000 This is a great day.

00:04:53.000 This is a substantive win.

00:04:55.000 The opinion didn't go as far as it could have gone, and it does use some language that I don't use in terms of labeling people transgender when in fact that itself is a falsehood.

00:05:06.000 You can't be the other sex. 1.00

00:05:08.000 But I noticed that it also avoided the euphemism, and I love that they did this, gender-affirming care.

00:05:14.000 They call it sex transition procedures. 1.00

00:05:15.000 I thought that was very interesting.

00:05:17.000 All in all, this is a very good ruling, a very good day.

00:05:20.000 Bravo to the Supreme Court.

00:05:22.000 Bravo to Attorney General Scrimetti and his team in Tennessee.

00:05:25.000 And there's many, many people who prayed for this day and worked hard to see this day happen.

00:05:30.000 And yes, now the 20-odd states, I think 26 or 27 states that have put some kind of ban in place, those laws will be allowed to stand.

00:05:39.000 And that's huge.

00:05:40.000 Brandon, you mentioned Justice Amy Foney Barrett just now.

00:05:45.000 Tell me, what conclusions are you drawing by the fact that she's back now solidly in this 6-3 majority?

00:05:53.000 Because regular viewers to the war room will notice that she's been sort of, she's split from the MAGA position.

00:06:00.000 And there's a lot of dissatisfaction of that.

00:06:03.000 The strong indication is that she was put there by President Trump effectively to sort of uphold a lot of the philosophy of what his administration is trying to achieve.

00:06:14.000 And she's sort of been dissenting quite a bit, sort of putting herself along with another great dissenter, John Roberts.

00:06:20.000 But here it is.

00:06:21.000 You see the 6-3 majority down ideological lines.

00:06:24.000 What do you say about that and specifically about Amy Foney Barrett herself joining this 6-3 majority?

00:06:31.000 Well, there's nothing phony about her in this ruling. 0.78

00:06:35.000 And I actually know a friend of hers personally who I always thought that she would be on the right side of this issue.

00:06:41.000 Basically, in her concurrence in this case, she sort of skewers the notion that trans is some immutable trait.

00:06:50.000 I mean, I'm just going to read from her concurrence now.

00:06:52.000 And it says, to begin, transgender status is not marked by some sort of obvious immutable or distinguishing characteristics as race or sex.

00:07:00.000 And so for her to understand and to articulate that, that, you know, it's impossible to be born in the wrong body, essentially, it really sort of skewers this Gnostic notion that you can be the other sex.

00:07:12.000 And so that was it was great to see from her, you know, she I think with the war room posse, they haven't always agreed, obviously, with Barrett's decisions.

00:07:22.000 But on the social issues, it's she's right there.

00:07:25.000 I mean, she was as people will remember, she was the fifth vote to in the Dobbs decision overturning Roe versus Wade.

00:07:32.000 And so, I mean, it's you know, say what you will, I do not think that had Hillary Clinton put those three justices, that we would have gotten this ruling today.

00:07:43.000 So even even with the disagreements that people have had with some of Gorsuch and Kavanaugh and Barrett's rulings, there's no question that this law would probably they would have struck it down had three leftist judges been put on the bench.

00:07:58.000 And I don't think there's any question about that. So I can't complain at all.

00:08:02.000 And I'm just thrilled to see the Supreme Court uphold Tennessee's law.

00:08:06.000 Many people have prayed for this day. I'll just reiterate that.

00:08:10.000 Brandon, I'm very grateful for you coming on the show.

00:08:13.000 It's such short notice to to help break this down.

00:08:17.000 But before you go, just looking to the future, what does this mean?

00:08:20.000 This this ruling today mean in general for the 14th Amendment and the Equal Protection Clause itself?

00:08:28.000 Does this does this indicate that that Equal Protection Clause really can't be invoked going forward specifically with regards to the transgender issue or does it leave it open for adults?

00:08:43.000 That remains to be seen. But what my read on this is, is that the Supreme Court has struck a major blow to this ideological cause.

00:08:52.000 It's possible that trans activists will try to challenge to challenge us on other grounds.

00:08:58.000 But I think it indicates that the Supreme Court is not too keen on this notion at all.

00:09:05.000 Justice Thomas, in his concurrence, also made the point that children can't consent.

00:09:11.000 And so I I don't think that if trans activists and their allies in the legal field are going to be too keen on going to the Supreme Court for redress on this basis, it's possible. 0.92

00:09:26.000 But this is this is just such a major blow to have the Supreme Court say no to this, even though the opinion doesn't go as far as I think some would like.

00:09:34.000 I don't think that Equal Protection Grounds 14th Amendment questions with regard to transgenderism are going to pass muster at the Supreme Court for adults or kids.

00:09:42.000 It remains to be seen, of course, and there might be some other legal avenue they'll try.

00:09:46.000 But again, to have this this really is a landmark ruling and to see it six to three coming out in Tennessee's favor, I think.

00:09:54.000 And then this is I'll just add that in a few weeks, the Federal Trade Commission, I said this last time I was on the War Room.

00:10:00.000 The Federal Trade Commission is going to be putting on a day long event where they will they will expose so-called gender affirming care as a kind of consumer fraud.

00:10:10.000 And so that's in keeping with President Trump's executive order from January 28th, which empowered all the federal agencies to take appropriate action from from what from their purchase.

00:10:19.000 And so I think we're hopefully we can keep praying, seeing the death of the gender industry altogether. 1.00

00:10:25.000 So this ruling is just one key crucial blow against it.

00:10:30.000 But it's all part of a much larger push that the federal government is taking to end this scourge.

00:10:35.000 And it's been a long time coming.

00:10:37.000 Brandon Showalter, you're doing fantastic work that the Christian Post, where do people go on social media to keep up with your analysis and the breaking news that you're covering?

00:10:52.000 Brandon M Show on X.

00:10:54.000 That's my my X handle.

00:10:56.000 Go to Generation Indoctrination dot com to hear our documentary podcast.

00:11:00.000 Stay tuned for season five.

00:11:02.000 It will be out in several weeks, a few weeks.

00:11:04.000 Christian Post dot com to get all of our print reporting.

00:11:07.000 And if you I'm already hearing from parents who are just so grateful for today's ruling, including one who's featured in the dead name documentary film.

00:11:15.000 And you can go to dead name documentary dot com to see that moving intimate portrait of the families who've suffered through this.

00:11:21.000 And that film, that documentary film is also available on Amazon Prime, Apple TV and Roku.

00:11:27.000 It's just such a it's a sea change that three years ago, this they tried to censor that film.

00:11:32.000 And now it's on all major platforms.

00:11:34.000 So the tide is definitely turning.

00:11:36.000 But dead name documentary dot com.

00:11:38.000 If you want to get acquainted with the families who are suffering through this.

00:11:40.000 But it's a great day.

00:11:42.000 It's a great day.

00:11:44.000 Brandon Showalter, thank you very much indeed once again.

00:11:46.000 And God bless.

00:11:47.000 Catch up again with you on the show soon.

00:11:49.000 Thanks very much.

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00:13:15.000 Okay, let's go now to something which I think we've been hinting at on this show quite a bit,

00:13:23.000 which is the suppression of traditional Catholicism that has continued.

00:13:29.000 Continued, let's use the term seamless garment, that's really what it is, from Bergoglio stage name Pope Francis to Leo XIV.

00:13:41.000 Frank Walker, tell me about the latest developments in Detroit, because this was widely expected, was it not?

00:13:50.040 The bishop there in Detroit has suppressed 10 parish churches that were celebrating the traditional Latin mass,

00:14:00.040 that mass that goes back 1,700 years, and that has been, the persecution continues.

00:14:08.040 Tell us a bit about that and what the conclusion is that you draw from it.

00:14:14.040 Well, he, you know, they had a lot of good Latin masses in Detroit.

00:14:19.040 Most dioceses aren't like that.

00:14:21.040 Most of them, you know, around here, there's only two.

00:14:23.040 There's two at two o'clock in the afternoon or something like that.

00:14:26.040 But they had a whole community there.

00:14:28.040 And Bishop Weisenberger has just been recently moved there before Francis died.

00:14:33.040 And he was, you know, one of the worst.

00:14:36.040 And he was, I mean, not that they aren't, there aren't lots of lots like him.

00:14:39.040 There are.

00:14:40.040 I think it was in Phoenix or something or Tucson.

00:14:43.040 And he's moved up here.

00:14:44.040 He, um, he's, he's blaming Traditiones Gestodes, which Francis issued.

00:14:50.040 The expiration date is up.

00:14:52.040 And, uh, he's, uh, left it to just parishes, just like three, maybe parish, not even parishes,

00:14:59.040 three churches that are outside parishes.

00:15:01.040 One of them is a shrine.

00:15:03.040 And they're the only ones that are left.

00:15:04.040 And, um, he, uh, you know, he could have done like they did in Saginaw, Michigan and, and applied for an extension, which happens a lot.

00:15:12.040 But this is just followed up on what happened in Charlotte.

00:15:14.040 There was a big deal about that.

00:15:16.040 Charlotte was another diocese like that with lots of Latin masses.

00:15:19.040 So they're focusing on where the communities are growing.

00:15:22.040 I know this is, um, one of the reasons this show exists is because we're really drilling down on the rest of, um, Trad Inc.

00:15:33.040 press.

00:15:34.040 As we, you know, originally here in the history of Christianity and their portrayal of Pope Leo XIV to some kind of brush of fresh air and a great change and a great opening to traditional Catholics.

00:15:44.040 And we're trying to drill down on that very strongly and urge caution.

00:15:48.040 Let's put it like that, Frank.

00:15:49.040 We're urging caution on that analysis.

00:15:52.040 And in keeping with that narrative, you're seeing here what was, what is being spun in the Trad Inc. press.

00:16:01.040 As we know, originally here, Bishop Watt Weisenberger was just going to suppress the TLM, the traditional Latin mass everywhere in the diocese.

00:16:10.040 But actually he's now created these, thanks to the presence of Holy Pope Leo, he's now created this, this, this dispensation, if you will, in the non parish churches of, of, of, of this allowance, which is an indication of, of, of all the blessings that we can, can expect.

00:16:28.040 And, but Frank, my reading of this is, is that Bishop Weisenberger had always planned to make some kind of allowance outside of the parish scene available.

00:16:39.040 And, you know, if you go back to his earlier April statement, he definitely did say he was going to prohibit it in, in the parishes and, and make some allowance.

00:16:47.040 Do you think that this is an indication that the Trad Inc. press is running, is this evidence of our thesis, Frank Walker, that Trad Inc. is running, running away with itself a little bit too much on the, on, on their narrative here?

00:17:03.040 They, they are quieter, they seem quieter this week, which is, you know, they, they've been spiking all the strong Leo stories.

00:17:10.040 And, you know, this shows you how important the bishops are.

00:17:13.080 And one of the things that, that, you know, besides just the targeting of Latin mass communities all around the world, also in France and, and, and, and Argentina and Australia, the bishops are so important.

00:17:25.100 And today you look at the topic, Canon 212 today, there's a picture of a new bishop in Brisbane.

00:17:30.820 I've never seen anything like him before.

00:17:33.240 I mean, I've seen bishops that don't look too much like bishops, but this guy, this guy looks like he's on Wall Street or something.

00:17:41.040 Incredible.

00:17:42.140 And there's a lot of different areas where Trad Inc. has had been ignoring Leo.

00:17:47.860 Leo is simply making Francis Church stick.

00:17:51.220 Francis was the guy swinging the axe.

00:17:53.660 Leo is the one who's gently going to like sit there and behind the scenes, let everybody else seem to do the dirty work.

00:18:00.040 Well, everything becomes the new church that the enemies of the church have been dreaming of for a long time.

00:18:06.300 And I, I, you know, the thesis of the war room is that the, the, the key virtue, if one can use the word virtue in this context of, of, um, his, you know, I think I'm the only, you know, I think Frank, you and I were probably the only people who will refer to Leo XIV as his holiness in a sarcastic tone of voice.

00:18:24.120 This is the great virtue, virtue of his holiness is that I think discreetly is going to make sure everybody has the Vatican's IBAN code to be making those, those donations.

00:18:33.620 On that point, we're going to come back to later on in the show, because there's something I think that that confirms our thesis.

00:18:38.660 But having hit this, oh, look, before we go to Liz, um, on this, uh, and discuss what's going on, um, with the Southern Baptist,

00:18:46.020 just say to our Protestant audience, why is this important that the traditional Catholic movement has a, a strong purchase in the culture?

00:18:57.560 Well, it's, um, you know, we have a lot in common.

00:19:00.860 We're not allowed to, like, like, you're going to go to an article about the Baptists.

00:19:04.400 They're sort of allowed to move with their own people, with the movement of society that's moving towards the right.

00:19:09.680 Right. No longer, since we've had Francis, can the Catholics that are faithful, that are conservative, that are politically effective, no longer can they have a voice.

00:19:19.140 So the Protestants, they, they look at us and I think they, they, you know, they already, already are suspicious, 1.00

00:19:24.100 but they need to know that we're out there and that like them, we're sort of been pushed out of the Catholic hierarchy in a way.

00:19:31.580 That they need to, they need to have some kind of solidarity with us because in so many ways we have so much in common and, uh, you know, they, they need to understand that about us.

00:19:43.200 Stay there, Frank. We'll come back to you later on in the show.

00:19:47.000 Liz, uh, Frank's point there about, um, solidarity between the, the Southern Baptists and, uh, that is to say the conservative,

00:19:56.000 biblical based evangelicals, um, and traditional Catholics.

00:20:00.700 I think it's absolutely perfect. And before we dig into, to, to, to the, uh, the Southern Baptist convention that took place last week in Dallas,

00:20:08.700 let's just recall the fact that, that the late unlamented Pope Francis actually came out and said, you know,

00:20:17.760 because all we've had for 60 years in the Catholic church is this, we've been force fed, like, like foie gras,

00:20:23.860 Greece, foie gras, geese. We've been force fed this radical ecumenical agenda. Um, but all it's really been are, are Protestants who don't believe a word of their faith, 0.79

00:20:37.220 getting together with Catholics who don't believe a word of their faith, pushing out these press releases,

00:20:42.760 interminable and readable press releases where they say how much they have in common. Of course they have so much in common.

00:20:47.940 None of them agree with the fundamental tenets of their faith. And it's all a grift.

00:20:52.720 Um, and the late unlamented Francis actually came out and said, specifically with the, with the pro-life, um, movement in mind,

00:21:04.080 he's against the ecumenism of conservative evangelicals and traditional Catholics coming together to witness on the pro-life front.

00:21:12.040 Um, and I think that's probably of all the really scandalous things he's done that I think for me,

00:21:18.160 it's got to be up there in the top 10. Look, we've got some good news today coming out from, um,

00:21:23.780 or that we're going to hit on the show today coming out from, um, from, uh, uh, uh, uh, our Protestant brethren.

00:21:29.060 Why don't you just tell us a bit about what happened then in Dallas last week?

00:21:32.920 Yeah. And, and, and, you know, this is, this is the very thing that moves the culture

00:21:37.840 and moves the Supreme court to the decision we have today is the people speaking out,

00:21:44.480 victims speaking out, um, brave doctors speaking out. So what the largest Protestant denomination,

00:21:51.500 the Southern Baptists are over, um, 12 million point seven of them. Um, they listed, um, a number

00:21:58.900 of proposals, one demanding an overturning of laws, rulings, um, throughout the United States

00:22:06.580 regarding the, um, marriage of between a man and a woman. They are asking for a overturning of the

00:22:15.160 Obergefell lawsuit, uh, decision by the Supreme court, which, um, legalized same-sex marriage.

00:22:24.960 And these are the kinds of things that the, the churches should do in leading the culture.

00:22:31.600 Additionally, they went after all the social issues in this convention. They went after sports

00:22:38.340 betting. They went after, um, the chemical abortion pill demanding that the Trump administration

00:22:45.720 outlawed. They encouraged laws that affirm marriage between a man and a woman, and also encouraged 0.88

00:22:53.000 policies that support families, um, whether they be tax policies, legal policies. Um, and so they are

00:23:01.780 actually, this is a Roman Catholic saying this, leading the way, um, in this cultural battle, bringing

00:23:08.640 moral clarity to the issues that are impacting our culture here in the United States. And it's a wonderful

00:23:17.380 thing to see. Let, let, let, let me just, uh, stop you there. Two things, um, before we go on,

00:23:23.920 you mentioned Obergefell, right? Um, does the Catholic church have an opinion, have a, or at least does

00:23:30.740 the Catholic church bishops conference have a formal position on lobbying the, in any U.S. administration

00:23:38.500 to get that, to get that overturned or repealed? Well, um, frankly, we hear much more about deportations

00:23:46.580 than we do about same-sex marriage. Um, frankly, we have, we, there should be a constant drumbeat

00:23:53.560 from the bishops conference. In fact, what, what did we hear from the bishops conference about the same

00:24:00.260 time as the Southern Baptists? They were expressing their pain over the mass deportations. That's what our

00:24:08.060 bishops were doing with respect to an issue that is overwhelmingly supported by, um, American Catholics

00:24:15.560 and Americans. And we don't hear them expressing pain over their countless victims that have been

00:24:21.680 killed, maimed by illegal aliens who, um, entered this country illegally. And so you have the politicization

00:24:30.520 of the Catholic church, the radicalization, the modernization of the Catholic church, embracing the

00:24:36.640 left issues, and you have the Southern Baptists in their conferences, embracing those moral standards,

00:24:44.080 which built this country, which built Western civilization, and, and being the sole voice,

00:24:52.140 you know, in, in all of this to demand that we get back to our moral roots, those things that kept

00:24:59.260 our country strong. Liz, I'm going to hold you on over the break, uh, to dig down on this, but just

00:25:05.920 give me sort of 90 seconds, will you? Because you just mentioned that the, that the Southern Baptists

00:25:10.600 are leading the way on this issue in the, the culture wars. Why do you think that is? Do you think

00:25:16.360 there's some element here that nature abhors a vacuum and the, the Protestants are going in there 1.00

00:25:22.700 to occupy the space that the Catholic church had occupied, uh, and then relinquished for many

00:25:28.080 decades? Yeah, there could very well be, um, whatever the motivation, um, they are listening

00:25:34.440 to their people. They are reading the tea leaves about the destruction of abortion on the culture

00:25:39.620 on families, the destruction of pornography and, and betting and the destruction of marriage.

00:25:47.860 They are, I think, much closer to their people and listening to, um, what their people are asking

00:25:55.200 for. And so I think, um, it's a, it's a cultural shift. Um, you know, if you believe in ecumenism,

00:26:01.440 like the modern Catholic bishops do, I think they would be well advised to take a page from the strong 0.99

00:26:10.220 moral voice, the cultural bomb that has just been dropped by the Southern Baptists. And you know what? 0.95

00:26:15.900 We are going to see the fruits of this advocacy by the Southern Baptists. I promise you we'll see

00:26:21.820 it in Supreme court decisions. We'll see it in policies from the Trump administration. And so it

00:26:27.520 is speaking out despite the fact that the media may think it's, or the culture may think it's old

00:26:33.540 fashioned. They speak from a biblical center. Liz, hold on to this. We're going to come back to these,

00:26:41.200 uh, spiritual fruits and political fruits in just a moment after this short break.

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00:31:02.860 Welcome back. Liz, let's just finish this point with you. I noticed that USA Today, in writing about last

00:31:17.220 week's Southern Baptist Convention, wrote that the predominant group of evangelical Christians in

00:31:24.840 the country continues to move sharply to the right. Now, whether you accept that analysis or not,

00:31:31.140 whether you think they're simply just asserting a position that they have had for decades,

00:31:36.660 would you suggest that there is some element of the Trump effect taking place within

00:31:42.400 the conservative evangelical sphere? That is to say, having such an unashamed

00:31:52.300 proponent within the culture wars at America's highest office, is that sort of reinforcing,

00:31:59.760 you think, the Protestant troops. Let's not forget that this convention was comprised of 10,000 or so

00:32:06.560 messengers. So when you say that the leadership is listening, that the distance between the leadership

00:32:14.640 and their faithful is a lot closer than in the Catholic Church. Firstly, do you think there's

00:32:22.780 something here that we see of the Trump effect? And secondly, Pope Francis constantly hectored his

00:32:31.880 bishops to smell the odour of the sheep, right, of his flocks. From his perspective, what he was

00:32:43.740 really agitating for was an undoing of Catholic Church teaching by projecting the fact onto the faithful,

00:32:51.980 a huge progressive liberal desire that simply, I don't believe, exists in the laities. They're

00:32:58.940 in the episcopacy. So those two things, Liz, do you think that this is the Trump, we can see something

00:33:04.940 of the Trump effect working amongst conservative evangelicals? And do you think that they are doing

00:33:12.100 in practice in an authentic way what Pope Francis, in a duplicitous way, intended for the Catholic Church?

00:33:20.500 Well, I think certainly everybody's getting courage to speak out, to push the absolute moral center to

00:33:29.780 become a larger and larger tent for all of us, that we are no longer afraid to speak out, because we

00:33:39.380 have learned from Donald Trump. And we see that he follows through on the things that he said during

00:33:46.820 his campaign. You know, it's interesting you bring this up, the Trump effect, because at the same time

00:33:52.900 that the Southern Baptists were pushing for the elimination of the abortion pill in the United

00:34:00.420 States. UK, as you well know, approved abortion up to birth. These cultural struggles have to be

00:34:09.860 led by someone. It's either the left or the right. And if the Catholic Protestant leaders 0.59

00:34:18.500 aren't leading these struggles, they are going to be, the void is going to be filled by the radical left,

00:34:25.780 by the Marxists. I mean, and that is truly what Francis was pushing. Liberation theology, Marxist theology,

00:34:35.300 which did not talk about the foundation of Catholicism, the foundation of moral thought,

00:34:42.660 which was the creation and protection of children, of families, of the ability to build a civilization

00:34:52.180 on peace, on prosperity. And we know that Francis hated the United States, the capitalist system.

00:35:01.140 And so I think we're seeing, and I'm hoping, hopefully the UK will catch that Trump effect

00:35:07.620 with these moral issues. We've got to have these discussions. And we just saw the effect of mothers 0.98

00:35:14.980 and fathers in hospitals fighting, fighting the hospital systems and the massive bureaucracies that

00:35:23.140 were pushing for, you know, this extravagant gender mutilation. And, you know, the dark history 0.73

00:35:30.260 of this mutilation, gender mutilation and abortion. We're going to look back in 50 years and people

00:35:37.780 will say, what was wrong with these people that they were doing these horrible things to their

00:35:43.380 children? And so we've got to have leaders. We've got to have leaders on these moral issues.

00:35:50.100 Liz, well, we're going to come back to you a little later on in the show. Before we go to Jenny Holland

00:36:00.260 to discuss Francis Collins, who I think is doing his best to imitate an Old Testament prophet on the

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00:37:21.140 to see Francis Collins there on the church speaking circuit in San Francisco. After all,

00:37:31.780 everything that Liseau was just the great news she was telling us about Protestants in their Southern

00:37:38.100 Baptist Convention and what Frank was telling us about the suppression of traditional Catholicism out

00:37:44.420 in Detroit. Tell us about this new Old Testament prophet that is going around in the churches. What

00:37:52.900 gospel exactly is he preaching? That's a very good question, Ben. Thanks for having me back.

00:38:00.980 Yeah, I was as surprised as anyone to open this link from Vanity Fair, a piece they ran in April of this

00:38:07.860 year that opens up with Dr. Francis Collins, formerly of National Institutes of Health, attending an event

00:38:17.220 in San Francisco called Code and Cosmos, a tech gathering to ponder the existence of God. And it

00:38:26.180 has some choice quotes from Dr. Collins like, what is the basis for morality? And things like, his

00:38:33.860 Christian faith has never once come into conflict with his deep scientific, rigorous scientific

00:38:40.660 knowledge. And I would love to know, those of us who've lived through COVID and remember it well,

00:38:46.820 we would love to know more about this and how he manages to reconcile the two worldviews. And it

00:38:55.140 unfortunately doesn't include him being quoted as saying, mea culpa, mea culpa. But maybe that will be in

00:39:01.060 a follow-up. The whole article was very interesting because it's suggesting that Christianity has

00:39:09.300 come not just to Gen Z and some Gen X, but Silicon Valley itself, which is really the belly of the beast,

00:39:16.340 or at least seems that way from the outside to a lot of us. And it's a fascinating article. It is

00:39:23.620 filled with absolutely telling nuggets of information, really, really indicative of where the culture is

00:39:31.700 at at the moment. And by culture, I mean, I don't mean the MAGA culture, I mean the mainstream

00:39:38.340 professional managerial class culture, of which Silicon Valley always has seemed to me at least to

00:39:44.420 be on the vanguard. You know, that's where the smart boys and girls are. And even there, or maybe

00:39:51.780 especially there, God is starting to make a reappearance. And I think that is an incredibly

00:39:59.780 significant fact, although it would all be wise to treat it with some skepticism.

00:40:06.100 Jenny, I tell you what I think, looking at politics, you know when something is on the up,

00:40:15.860 when it really is having success. Because you can see all of the grifters starting to gravitate towards

00:40:24.100 it like moths to a lantern on a July or August night on a porch, right? That I think, the fact that

00:40:33.300 people like Francis Collins, you sort of say that, you mentioned that God is starting to make a

00:40:41.860 a reappearance in San Francisco. I think that's how you know, that's how you know that there is

00:40:47.060 something going on deep on under the level in American culture. Because you have these people

00:40:53.060 who've never demonstrated any remotely, anything remotely Christian about them, sort of coming in,

00:40:59.060 and now sort of trying to hoist themselves onto the bandwagon. What do you think to that? Is that,

00:41:05.380 is that, am I being cynical here?

00:41:06.820 No, I don't think you're being cynical. I think it's an indication that they know,

00:41:12.100 on some level, they realized that they are in, not to sound like a first grader, deep doo-doo.

00:41:19.380 They are out in front of their skis in almost every possible way. I mean, the article is so

00:41:26.660 interesting though, because it does have these insightful paragraphs, which show that even among

00:41:38.420 the most successful of contemporary modern, secular modern culture, even there, there is a dawning

00:41:47.700 realization, which I think is sincere to some degree, that living according to materialistic principles

00:41:56.340 alone is an out and out disaster. And whilst there's undoubtedly lots of grifters there,

00:42:03.220 and lots of people trying to save their rear end, and trying to make amends, and trying to do a

00:42:08.580 rebrand, I would say maybe Francis Collins is trying to do a rebrand as some sort of like

00:42:13.540 theologian, deep thinker, all merciful person. There is a sense, even in Silicon Valley, that the

00:42:22.580 culture that we are all swimming in is deeply, deeply rotten. And there is a yearning for something

00:42:30.820 that is more substantial, that will carry us through this sense that I feel is building generally,

00:42:39.380 that things are going very wrong, very fast, in terms of how we've raised children, in terms of our,

00:42:46.180 the culture that we have produced, and certainly in terms of our economy and real in real hard nosed

00:42:50.980 ways as well. But there's something ephemeral going on, that the people in Silicon Valley, you know,

00:42:56.820 you could say what you want about them and criticize them all you want. And I would agree, they are very

00:43:01.460 smart, as well. And so I feel like they're a little bit like the canary in the coal mine,

00:43:08.180 with all the grifting as well.

00:43:15.060 Thanks, Jenny. Look, we did have other stories that I wanted to go through, not only with you

00:43:21.540 and with Liz today, but we had to make some space of very short notice to cover the breaking news out

00:43:27.780 from the Supreme Court this morning. So the final story I'd like to hit today is held over from last

00:43:36.340 week. And perhaps, Jenny, the other ones that we wanted to hit with you and with Liz will hold

00:43:41.140 those forward to the Bishop's Conference on immigration. We'll hold those forward to next

00:43:47.700 week. Let's just quickly go back to Frank in the closing minutes, then, of this show,

00:43:55.220 because this is an important article here. This is to do with the Associated Press piece,

00:44:02.900 article last week, about the headlined Canon American Pope apply US-style fundraising and

00:44:10.020 standards to fix troubled Vatican finances. The real reason I pulled this one out, Frank,

00:44:16.580 is because this here confirms the analysis that we've had on the war and the analysis that you've

00:44:23.860 had on Canon 212. I think to the letter, right, to the very word, this confirms everything that we've

00:44:30.820 been saying. Why don't you just give us a quick 60-second synthesis of what this article is

00:44:38.100 suggesting, and then I'm going to ask you a question on it. Well, it has something to do with

00:44:43.140 what we just heard about. The people who are ruling the world, the money people, they're not getting the

00:44:49.460 donations from these powerful people that they wish they could, and they're certainly not getting that

00:44:53.540 from Catholics. This year, I think they had a $95 million operating deficit. They have a billion

00:45:00.340 dollar shortfall in their pension plan, and they're hoping that Leo can turn this around.

00:45:10.260 He doesn't seem to have the experience that I think. He might have the character. He might have

00:45:14.420 other things, but he hasn't managed big budgets, maybe a million dollars with the Augustinians before

00:45:20.740 a bishop's budget, so I don't know how he's going to do that, but they're really hoping that a new

00:45:25.140 kind of pope will attract more donations. I see things happening financially

00:45:36.020 outside of donations. I see more marketing of the Catholic Church, the tourism industry. There's a big

00:45:42.660 thing this week that he's going to go to Castle Gandolfo, this amazingly beautiful place where popes have

00:45:48.420 gone for several hundred years for vacation in the summer. Well, that's been turned into sort of a

00:45:54.260 conference center now for our globalism, and they market it now. That's marketing. They have

00:46:00.180 a new website. Today, Vatican News is asking for donations to Peter's Pence with the new

00:46:06.900 Leo out there. They're really milking it for every dime, even more than they were before.

00:46:12.980 Frank, we called this, right? There's no other way to say it. All modesty aside, we called this. We

00:46:20.180 called this on the first day of this pontificate. Look, I just want to read this one

00:46:29.140 extract out from this. This is the Associated Press. This is one of the big

00:46:33.620 global, one of the three big global press agencies. Folks, you just, you know, you make your own

00:46:43.060 opinions on this, but I think this is an absolute endorsement of our judgment call on day one.

00:46:49.860 I quote, Leo already has one thing going for him. This is talking about his fundraising potential,

00:46:56.820 his American-ness. US donors have long been the economic life support system of the Holy See,

00:47:04.500 financing everything from papal charity concerts, excuse me, papal charity projects abroad to

00:47:10.820 restorations of St. Peter's Basilica at home. Leo's election as the first American pope has

00:47:17.620 served a jolt of excitement through US Catholics, some of whom had soured on donating to the Vatican

00:47:25.940 after years of unrelated stories of mismanagement, corruption, and scandal, according to interviews

00:47:32.740 with top Catholic fundraisers, philanthropists, and church management experts. Frank Walker,

00:47:37.780 this is, in this paragraph, this is everything, and we've been widely divided for this, right? But this

00:47:42.740 is everything that we said from day one. Listen, we're coming up to the close of the show now. Why

00:47:49.060 don't you just give us a quick, um, uh, where can people go? Canon 212, right? And your website,

00:47:56.180 right? Um, I just want to say, I'm going to try and get you back on the show, Frank, at some point

00:48:00.900 next Wednesday, because I want people to know what is happening to the attacks taking place on Canon

00:48:07.860 212. Since you've started appearing on this show, the suppression, the algorithmic suppression

00:48:14.180 taking place by Google, and that's happened to me, and I can prove it, right? This is a thing,

00:48:19.940 folks. It's not conspiracy theory. It really does exist. 60 seconds, Frank. Uh, where, where do people

00:48:26.260 go? And I cannot, I cannot compliment the work that you do highly enough. Thank you, Ben. Uh, go to

00:48:34.260 Canon 212, C-A-N-L-N-2-1-2.com, and bookmark it, because there's a new algorithm just in the last few

00:48:41.060 weeks, and it's very, very different, uh, you know. So I, I would do that, and then also we're

00:48:45.940 at Rumble for the video, and at Gloria TV, and on X, Canon 2, 212, spelt out, straight there.

00:48:52.420 There's a picture of it right there. Yeah. Make sure you bookmark Canon 212, because you don't know

00:48:56.980 what they're going to do to us, you know, like they used to do with YouTube. It's the same company.

00:49:02.580 Thank you. Frank, you really, you really are the Catholic world's

00:49:06.740 Matt Drudge. Uh, and I strongly, strongly endorse your, uh, not only the work that you do,

00:49:12.340 but also your editorial line on, on the, uh, on, on the headlines that you push out.

00:49:16.500 Thanks for coming on the show. See you next Wednesday. Um, Liz Yor, where do people go

00:49:21.060 to keep up with your analysis? Um, my website is yourchildren.com, and I'm everywhere on social

00:49:28.740 media, Elizabeth Yor. And thank you so much, Ben. Thanks, Liz. Thanks as always for, uh, for you

00:49:34.820 breaking down, breaking the news. And today, uh, we, we had a slight change as you were

00:49:40.820 talking through us, uh, developments within the Protestant sphere, rather than the Catholic

00:49:45.460 sphere. Um, Jenny Holland, uh, you're, uh, you're, you're on Substack. You write for Spiked.

00:49:50.740 Tell us about your, your, your, um, your Substack specifically. Where, where do people go

00:49:55.300 on that to catch up with you? Uh, it's, uh, Jenny E. Holland dot Substack dot com. Uh, the,

00:50:02.580 the name of it is Saving Culture from Itself. And I'm on X, um, at Semper Femina 21.

00:50:11.380 Jenny, I also have to say, um, did you mention, uh, what was, what was your X handle just once more?

00:50:18.020 Semper Femina 21.

00:50:21.700 Now that's Latin, right? Or basically always a lady, something like always a lady or something. Um, 0.84

00:50:27.540 uh, but broadly, broadly with that. Um, Jenny, I'll tell you why I just, uh, just as we head into the

00:50:33.140 final seconds of the show, I, the reason I really like your analysis and you, and your take on these

00:50:38.500 things, um, is because you're an atheist, uh, and yet you pray the rosary every day. Um, so I think you

00:50:46.660 give us a specific, um, a particular interpretation on things and, and you have an original voice that

00:50:53.700 people can listen to. Um, and they're not going to speak. We have a lot of evangelicals for following

00:50:59.300 the show. It's mostly evangelicals. So when you break these things down, um, you have a credibility,

00:51:04.820 I think to, to, to expand on these things without people think you're just going to go straight into

00:51:09.700 the Catholic dogma. Um, so I, I can't compliment your, your own Substack and X account, uh, highly

00:51:17.780 enough. Thanks for coming on the show. Catch up again with you next Wednesday. Okay. So my thanks

00:51:23.140 to the, on the show today to Brandon Showalter from the Christian Post, Frank Walker from Canon

00:51:29.300 212, Liz Yor from Your Children and Jenny Holland from Spiked. Um, I'm Ben Harnwell, your host,

00:51:37.620 international editor of The War Room. My thanks to our brilliant production team in Denver and producer

00:51:43.620 Cameron Wallace. I'll be back at 6pm next Wednesday. Take care. God bless.

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