Bannon's War Room - June 19, 2025


WarRoom Battleground EP 793: Keeping A Strong Dollar; History Of Key Conflicts Across The World


Episode Stats

Length

53 minutes

Words per Minute

163.75627

Word Count

8,840

Sentence Count

703

Misogynist Sentences

2

Hate Speech Sentences

20


Summary

Stephen K. Bannon and Steve Kamb join me in the War Room to talk about what's going on with the dollar and why it's time to prepare for a world without the United States as the world's dominant reserve currency.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 So the first one is a deficit. The second one is effectively that the dollar is losing its status as a reserve currency. What truth do you have of that though. You can see the accumulation of gold in the reserves and the behavior of gold over the past 12 months.
00:00:28.000 And it didn't start with with Trump's policies. Of course it started with Biden when he froze the accounts of people connected to Putin. Right. And so so so and of course thinking that it'd be limited there. But people not connected to Putin. OK. So decided to stay away from a euro and a dollar. And gold is effectively now the reserve currency. So transactions take place in dollars euros usually dollars.
00:00:57.240 And at the same rate however they get converted back into gold.
00:01:05.240 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
00:01:10.240 Pray for our enemies because we're going to medieval on this people.
00:01:15.240 Here's the time I got a free shot all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
00:01:26.240 It's going to happen.
00:01:27.240 And where do people like that go to share the big line. Mega media. I wish in my soul. I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
00:01:37.240 Ask yourself what is my task and what is my purpose. If that answer is to save my country. This country will be saved.
00:01:47.240 War Room. Here's your host Stephen K. Bannon.
00:01:54.240 Thursday 19 June. Year of Alert 2025. Welcome. Thanks for sticking around for the second hour. I want to go right back to Philip Patrick. Philip describe who that who the who that speaker was his prominence as a thinker.
00:02:08.240 And I was pretty impressed. He basically sounded like Philip Patrick and Steve Bannon on the War Room. Did he not, sir?
00:02:17.240 Yeah, he did indeed. This is the stuff we've been talking about for a long time. And and this is Nicholas Taleb, right? He coined the phrase black swan. He is a very, very well respected academic and an economist.
00:02:29.240 And the reality is there is no argument, right? You and I have seen this. We've been talking about this. Gold became the number two global reserve asset last year, overtaking the euro.
00:02:40.140 And it's the dollarization that has been driving that trend. U.S. dollar holdings are at 30 year lows by central banks. And that trend is continuing. We know why. Right. It was. And Taleb said it himself. It was Biden's weaponization of the dollar back in 2020.
00:02:56.680 Just as the book Paper Soldiers specifies, just as we said back in 2022, exactly what would happen. And it is playing out in front of us today. It is a frightening proposition. And we have to start taking action now.
00:03:12.100 This is why. And this all flows into what the Chinese announced yesterday, by the way, it's Paper Soldiers from Salia Motion from Bloomberg came on a couple of weeks ago, talked about the weaponization of the dollar and how it played into the kind of the rise of gold.
00:03:29.680 The Rio reset. This all plays in the New York Times had the Chinese finance minister. And this wasn't some crank. This is the guy really in charge of all finance for the Chinese Communist Party and all of China, the second biggest economy world, actually laying out kind of a plan of how they can compete with the U.S. dollar as a as a prime reserve currency.
00:03:52.540 The understanding is going to take a while. But with Taleb, people are gearing up for this BRICS meeting, right?
00:03:58.620 This BRICS meeting, they're going to they are going to particularly with the United States in this geostrategic position it's in and maybe sucked into another Middle Eastern war.
00:04:09.020 The BRICS nations are coming for us, are they not, sir?
00:04:12.540 Yeah, they absolutely are. And you're absolutely correct. It was trying to central banker basically came out.
00:04:19.800 He didn't say it in these words, but he basically said we want a world without the dollar, right?
00:04:24.760 Saying that one currency in particular poses a global risk, right?
00:04:30.200 And that's the rhetoric that's circling at the moment. Now, I don't think it's too late, right?
00:04:36.160 China have their own systemic problems. They're not ready to overtake the United States as global reserve.
00:04:41.700 At the end of the day, we are still the destination for the world's capital.
00:04:45.180 And we have been for decades, right? I've said before, we're a quarter of the world's GDP, two thirds of the world's capital, right?
00:04:53.380 That's not just strength. It's dominance.
00:04:55.880 But what people have to understand is that dominance has been built on the dollar, right?
00:05:01.340 It's stability. It's predictability. And ultimately, it's strength, right?
00:05:05.680 So if China and the BRICS succeed in dethroning it, we're not just talking about currency devaluation.
00:05:11.700 We're talking about losing control of the global financial system. And that has been our strength.
00:05:16.880 Now, I don't think, and you've said it yourself and we've said it, it doesn't happen tomorrow.
00:05:21.780 The dollar is still the cleanest, dirty shirt. Other currencies are worse, yuan specifically.
00:05:27.920 But the dollar is filthy, right? And that in on itself is a frightening position to be in.
00:05:34.260 It was US strength, economic prowess. That was our advantage.
00:05:39.860 Now, just being the best of a terrible bunch, I think long term, it is unsustainable.
00:05:45.420 So in my mind, if we do not make swift changes, this is how I think it progresses.
00:05:50.700 I think we start to move into a more multipolar world.
00:05:53.780 And that is already happening, right? We're seeing bilateral trade agreements or non-dollar
00:05:58.260 denominated bilateral trade agreements, I should say. We've seen three record years of central bank
00:06:03.040 gold buying, right? But what it does mean is the first national block that can offer a clean shirt,
00:06:09.600 they're going to be in a position to dominate. And that is exactly why we've got to keep our eye on
00:06:14.940 the Rio Reset. This is what these guys have created, a 21st century alternative to the existing
00:06:21.300 dollar denominated system. It allows for multi-currency international transactions.
00:06:27.000 And importantly, it's firewalled from US oversight. So if this continues to gather steam,
00:06:32.920 and right now it is, we're looking at a permanent loss of our most powerful non-kinetic weapon,
00:06:40.040 not the end of the dollar, but the end of the dollar's dominance, or should I say,
00:06:44.780 for a shameless plug, the end of the dollar empire.
00:06:47.380 No, it was a pretty good call four years ago. I want everybody to go check it out now. It's all
00:06:52.740 free. They're teaching it in college levels because it's so accessible in finance courses
00:06:57.400 in college, but it's totally accessible. I don't care if you don't have a high school degree. I don't
00:07:00.820 care if you've even gone to high school. You read this, you're trying to build your mental map.
00:07:05.600 You'll understand the nomenclature. This thing's very well graphically laid out. The end of the
00:07:10.380 dollar empire. The seventh free installment, the Rio Reset. We talked everything about the
00:07:15.480 BRICS nations. Philip, make sure at 9-8, take your phone out for a simpler, quicker pamphlet,
00:07:20.980 brochure, totally free. Bannon at 9-8-9-8-9-8. But the key, wherever you go, make sure you connect
00:07:27.060 to Philip Patrick and his team over at Birch Gold. They will take the time to describe to you and
00:07:32.220 explain to you all the methodologies of how you can get into precious metals. Philip Patrick,
00:07:36.200 thank you so much, brother. I appreciate you.
00:07:37.780 Thank you, Steve.
00:07:44.780 Dr. Bradley Thayer, we talked a little bit about today. I want to make sure people understand what
00:07:49.640 I talk about, the accelerating rate of history. When you go through these like turnings or go
00:07:55.060 through these times of history, the old saying, I think it was actually Lenin, there are decades in
00:07:59.580 which nothing happens in their weeks, which decades happen. We seem to be in one of those.
00:08:03.480 Now, let's go back to the First World War of what happened there and call people one of the most
00:08:10.200 beautiful. And I think they always talked about it, didn't they, Dr. Thayer? Europe was experiencing
00:08:15.700 one of the most beautiful summers they had ever had, the summer of 1914, sir.
00:08:23.140 That's right, Steve. And a lot of the same arguments were made. A lot of Europeans thought
00:08:28.120 that war could never happen, that economies were too interdependent, actually, to bring about conflict,
00:08:34.460 to bring about war. And it was a thing of the past. So we need to keep in mind three major points.
00:08:40.140 First, great power wars can start for lots of reasons. Japanese attacking Pearl Harbor,
00:08:45.720 Hitler's decisions to invade Poland, France, the Soviet Union, and declare war on the United States.
00:08:51.900 But wars can also occur, great power wars can occur due to escalation. That is, a regional conflict
00:08:58.740 can escalate into a great power war. And World War I is a classic case of that. What happened there was
00:09:06.020 that an event, a Serbian nationalist in Sarajevo assassinates Archduke Franz Ferdinand and his wife
00:09:13.860 while they're visiting Bosnia-Herzegovina. And as a result of that assassination, the Austrians want
00:09:24.600 to put pressure on Serbia. So you have really the dynamics of a regional conflict. They go to the
00:09:30.400 Germans, and the Germans, Kaiser Wilhelm II, and the Chancellor, Bettmann-Holweg, give the Austrians
00:09:36.700 what's called the blank check, saying that they're going to back up the Austrians no matter what the
00:09:41.880 Austrians do. So it's a big mistake on behalf of the Germans. So the Austrians-Hungarians pressure the
00:09:50.240 Serbians and give them an ultimatum, which is unacceptable to Serbia. The Serbians are looking to the
00:09:56.760 Russians as Slav brothers. Russians traditionally have helped out Serbia and other Slavic peoples. And so a
00:10:06.580 dynamic of a regional conflict now is bringing in other great powers and the interests of other
00:10:11.720 great powers. Anyway, Serbia offers, delivers the ultimatum. Serbia rejects it. And then Austro-Hungary
00:10:20.160 declares war on Serbia. So you have a regional conflict get started almost immediately. And there's
00:10:27.360 a critical week between July 25th and August 1st of 1914, where things really accelerate. And here we had
00:10:36.020 that same dynamic, of course, with the war between Israel and Iran. And in that week, July 25th to
00:10:43.680 August 1st, you had Austro-Hungary invade Serbia. You then had Russian demands made against Austro-Hungary.
00:10:53.460 The French are pushing the Russians in this crisis because if war is going to come, Russia is going to
00:11:00.720 be slow to mobilize. And France knows Germany is going to get involved and the French need the
00:11:06.420 Russians to mobilize as rapidly as possible. However, Russian mobilization is a cause of
00:11:12.060 spell life for the Germans. If Russia mobilizes, Germany is going to have to enact the Schlieffen
00:11:17.480 plan. But hang on, because mobilization is the point I want to get to, because mobilization,
00:11:21.380 because advances in technology, you had railroads, you had logistics, you had weapons,
00:11:25.380 you had horses. The process itself started a war because then human action couldn't stop it.
00:11:33.540 The thing about August of 1914 that is very similar to today, there seem to be forces out there of
00:11:41.820 processes that are out there for both economic reasons, political reasons, military reasons,
00:11:48.720 technology, the logistics of actually getting over to a place like Persia or the Middle East is a
00:11:53.700 reason that people get most upset when they say forever wars about this thing in the Middle East
00:11:59.480 that's halfway around the world. As I said, as a young naval officer, you know, during the early
00:12:03.800 days of the hostage crisis, you go to the North Arabian Sea and Iran looks like the moon. It looks
00:12:11.220 like the moonscape. It's not, if you're coming from the United States, it's just like nothing you've
00:12:15.780 ever seen before. It's all of a sudden you say, I'm back in an ancient land. This is like,
00:12:21.460 I'm not in America. I'm not in Kansas anymore. Okay. We're inextricably drawn in these things.
00:12:27.060 And mobilization was what happened then is that all of a sudden these guys started mobilizing.
00:12:31.200 People took it as a sign of, Hey, they're going to war, but they couldn't stop it. They couldn't
00:12:35.280 because to stop one train was whether you're in France or they're in England, where particularly
00:12:40.500 the von Schliefflin plan in Germany was to stop the whole process. And the process got to be
00:12:46.460 the thing itself, correct? Right. A.J.P. Taylor wrote that great history,
00:12:52.000 war by timetable, right? Where you were basically locked in to railroad schedules due to that. So
00:12:59.900 as you said, both France, Russia, and Germany, most importantly, were locked in. So you had time to
00:13:06.180 avoid the crisis early, but that time passed. And then there were enormous pressures to escalate
00:13:13.300 very quickly. And that's something that we worry about today, of course, right? Where
00:13:19.340 this has to be, World War I was a tragedy in many respects. It could have been avoided at many points
00:13:25.840 in time, but that dynamic that you identified, Steve, took over. And as a result of it, you had
00:13:33.400 a regional conflict become a European great power war. And then once the British come in,
00:13:39.180 it becomes a world war. And that happens basically within a week or eight or nine days. So it's very
00:13:47.220 fast. Like I said this morning, and this is what the unknown, you know, the unknown quality,
00:13:53.740 the law of unintended consequences. This thing is the front page of the Times of London, I think,
00:13:59.720 the day after the Archduke was shot, because this, I'm not saying it's a backwater, but it's the
00:14:05.360 Austria-Hungary empire. It's kind of creaky. It's got all these countries, all these crowns. I mean,
00:14:10.420 this is like the epitome of, you know, comic opera, right? And then it wasn't on the front page
00:14:18.360 until, like you said, the last week of July, which was, we're mobilizing for war. And people are like
00:14:24.720 enjoying the beach in England. They're going, what is going on? It's very similar to what happened last
00:14:30.040 week that also with all these other issues, we're bombing, they're bombing Persia. And the British
00:14:37.480 Israelis are on this massive bombing scheme. Go ahead, Dr. Theuer.
00:14:42.540 And the British try to stop it, but the dynamic is too strong. So the British try to host a peace
00:14:47.580 conference, but nobody attends it because the dynamic is too strong. So the Europeans and the
00:14:53.120 Germans and the Russians in particular forgot their Clausewitz, right? Clausewitz warns in book eight
00:14:58.020 on war that no one starts a war, rather nobody in his senses ought to, without first being clear in
00:15:04.300 his mind what he intends to accomplish in that war and how he intends to conduct it, right?
00:15:11.440 Clausewitz also recognized that wars have a tendency to escalate in the modern world. So regional conflicts
00:15:17.480 are often not going to stay regional. They can explode into a much greater war, either vertically or
00:15:25.820 by sucking in other great powers and also ending up in other theaters, right? We worry
00:15:30.380 about Taiwan. We worry about aggression from the CCP. So you want to keep your Clausewitz close
00:15:36.300 at hand here, Steve, in recognizing, right, that you don't want to get into a war without being
00:15:42.600 clear what the intent is, right? What are you going to accomplish in that war and how are you
00:15:47.380 going to conduct it? What's it? Dr. Thay, I think I want to leave with one last quote. In trying to put
00:15:53.300 together the peace conference in the beginning of late July, early August of 1914, Sir Edward Gray,
00:16:02.020 the British foreign minister, after nobody showed up and the timetable started, he said,
00:16:08.620 the lamps of Europe are being extinguished or going out. The lights are going out all over Europe
00:16:15.200 and they will not be relit in our lifetime. This is what happens when you're inexorably drawn into
00:16:21.520 a conflict. That's why President Trump today historically said, hey, you know what? I think
00:16:26.780 I'm going to delay this a couple of weeks and we'll see what happens. Dr. Thayer, where do people go for
00:16:31.640 all your great writing, sir? Well, thank you, Steve. Bradley Thayer Truth or Getter or Brad Thayer
00:16:38.020 at X. Thanks very much, Steve. We want to keep in mind, of course, what Clausewitz said,
00:16:43.820 right? You want to be clear, right? Clausewitz always stressed that war has a blood price,
00:16:52.060 right? There's not going to be a quick and decisive victory. So if you're going to think
00:16:56.260 about a war, you better be very clear about what you intend to accomplish and how you're going to
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00:26:17.520 get on that link and you'll find out where it is. I'm basically, yes, thank you so much, Steve.
00:26:22.260 I appreciate you bringing that up. No, no, no. We love it. We'll make sure we get covered. Celebrate
00:26:28.160 Life. Jenny's story, you wouldn't in any way be associated with Glenn's story, would you?
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00:27:01.680 Short break. Going to the Bay Area to talk about artificial intelligence. Next in the war room.
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00:31:23.760 Gary Marcus, the NYU professor and relentless hater of all AI hype.
00:31:35.660 I love AI. I hate AI hype.
00:31:37.780 What do you envision for the future should we arrive at artificial general intelligence?
00:31:42.660 You know, in the long scope of history, we are going to be closer and closer with machines, right?
00:31:47.780 I mean, the cell phone was a step towards that, right? People use their phones as their external memory.
00:31:52.700 And brain plants may become a widespread thing, not anytime soon. In the long run, machines will be smarter than people,
00:32:00.720 and it will disrupt the nature of society. In the short run, machines don't really do many things autonomously well.
00:32:07.980 Kyle Aurora, the best-selling author of The Next Billion Users.
00:32:12.660 Well, every technology which is novel and threatening and scary becomes boring at some point because we as humanity learn to calibrate and put it in its place.
00:32:24.740 All right. I'm here with Bing Gertzel, founder of Singularity Net, creator of Sophia the Robot.
00:32:30.000 I can see a lot of giga-death potentials between human-level AGI and superintelligence that could wreak a lot of havoc,
00:32:41.020 even if, as I suspect, the superintelligence winds up being super benevolent and super compassionate as well as superintelligent.
00:32:49.380 And we could avoid all these problems by simply developing and rolling out AGI in a decentralized way.
00:32:58.900 We're with Haley Lowy from Singularity Net.
00:33:02.120 Sophia was really there to bring a face to AI and show people how AI might interact in the future.
00:33:09.160 So where Sophia, Desdemona are art pieces as well as social robots, he's designed to be very, or it's designed to be very accessible.
00:33:21.040 He's kind of a cute little guy, even if he's somewhat sinister with those strange, piercing eyes.
00:33:26.120 The Singularity is that point in time where technology moves so quickly that humanity can't see beyond that point.
00:33:36.260 And this is why it's so important that we have decentralized AGI.
00:33:42.060 Decentralization gives an opportunity for everybody to have input and perspectives and to crowdsource a greater wisdom than any individual company could.
00:33:55.740 Joe, I guess those are teasers because every one I wanted to go on and you cut it like the best parts.
00:34:02.500 I guess we're waiting to hold it.
00:34:04.400 Where are you, Joe?
00:34:05.440 Why is this so important?
00:34:06.760 And who is that list of all stars you just had?
00:34:08.800 And folks, understand something.
00:34:11.440 With everything we're talking about, war and Persia and, you know, getting our sovereignty back and sending back 10 million illegal aliens and the bill that, you know, should they raise taxes?
00:34:22.600 Did they provide all the populist tax cuts?
00:34:26.180 All the fights, all the fights we're going to have, all the fights that you're the best at, this for our age may be the most overarching importance because we're hurtling towards the singularity.
00:34:38.000 What we're trying to do on this show is make sure you're aware of that and to give you angles of attack in to make sure that you get your voices is in there and you're just not treated as some guinea pig or some, you know, pro proletariat that they're just going to do anything they want with.
00:34:55.060 Very scary.
00:34:56.920 One of the scary things in there, Joe Allen, tell us where you are, why it's so important.
00:35:00.940 One of the scary things, when I start hearing people say decentralized, I think I'm getting pitched.
00:35:06.700 So, where are you, how important is this?
00:35:10.940 Who's the group of all-stars?
00:35:13.800 Yes, Steve, I'm coming to you from the World Summit AI Conference in San Francisco here at Fisherman's Wharf.
00:35:21.140 This is the second day.
00:35:22.700 Yesterday, I had a lot of really great in-depth interviews with people whose ideas I completely disagree with for the most part.
00:35:30.820 Certainly, the projects they're working on moving forward with artificial intelligence, believing that they will create AGI, artificial general intelligence, and super intelligence.
00:35:42.100 What's really unique about this event, as opposed to many of the others that I've been to like this, is how wide of a spectrum there is of opinion.
00:35:51.380 A lot of argument and debate, the arguments basically center around how advanced AI is and the various technologies coming below that, how fast it will advance towards AGI, the singularity, so on and so forth.
00:36:08.640 What's really interesting, though, is that there is not a lot of disagreement about where it ultimately goes,
00:36:15.240 which is, in almost every case, they believe it is moving forward to AGI, moving forward to something like a singularity or a hard singularity.
00:36:25.960 And another thing that they don't seem to disagree on is whether or not this should happen.
00:36:31.400 Nobody's saying, let's stop it.
00:36:33.240 Nobody's saying, let's slow it down.
00:36:35.320 They're only saying, let's guide it in the way we want to.
00:36:38.600 The three people that I think are really worth highlighting here, Ben Gertzel, who you saw there, I mean, he was a key figure in my book, Dark Aeon.
00:36:48.700 It was very interesting to actually sit down and talk to him in person.
00:36:52.500 Also, Gary Marcus, who has been relentless in criticizing open AI and the various tech oligarchs.
00:36:59.280 He's also a huge AI hype skeptic.
00:37:02.580 So he's always that guy saying, we're really not that far along.
00:37:06.380 But what you heard there, and what I think is interesting about his perspective, is that he ultimately thinks that no matter how long it takes, that is where we're going as a species, towards AGI, towards a merge with the machine.
00:37:21.300 And then finally, Steve, Stuart Russell, who is a co-founder at the Future of Life Institute, a colleague of Max Tegmark.
00:37:29.020 And I think that his talk this morning was probably among the most sobering.
00:37:33.140 He's also skeptical about some of the really crazy claims about where AI is now or where it's going to be next year.
00:37:40.280 But he's extremely concerned about all of the downsides that this AI advancement could have and is pushing really hard for some kind of regulation.
00:37:49.740 I think he would really agree with you, Steve, that while in D.C., there's almost no regulation on AI,
00:37:55.780 but you have hair salons and nail salons that have government commissars breathing down their necks at all times.
00:38:04.380 No, it's actually shocking.
00:38:06.800 Is the crowd out there accelerationist?
00:38:11.160 Are there any decelerationists?
00:38:13.060 Are they saying, hey, no matter even if we were, this thing's picking up momentum given the capital that's involved,
00:38:19.560 given the companies that are involved and focus on it?
00:38:22.020 You can tell with each one of Microsoft, Intel, everybody's shifting to more of an AI focus.
00:38:29.900 Is this something that inexorably like it looks like we're inexorably drawn to war unless we try to stop it
00:38:36.020 and have President Trump can then negotiate?
00:38:39.000 And he puts his foot down, says, I need some time to negotiate.
00:38:42.100 We're also inexorably drawn to this technology.
00:38:45.680 And whether it turns out to be nirvana and great or it turns out to be apocalyptic and maybe not suboptimal for homo sapiens,
00:38:54.960 we're still drawn to that.
00:38:56.160 Where do these folks generally stand on that?
00:38:58.680 I would say in general, most people here are definitely not decelerationists.
00:39:03.500 And, you know, Steve, I've been traveling from Arizona to I was in L.A.
00:39:08.360 I got to see the riots and protests there firsthand, get sprayed with tear gas.
00:39:13.500 That was fun.
00:39:14.420 I've been speaking to people all along the way, AI experts, some hardcore anti-tech dissidents.
00:39:21.580 And then here in San Francisco, I've met a lot of people, many of them inside.
00:39:26.640 I've actually learned quite a bit about the networks behind all of this, of all of these people.
00:39:32.540 And that includes some of the anti-tech dissidents of all of these people.
00:39:37.460 Very few are about decelerating.
00:39:40.880 Very few even think that's possible.
00:39:43.740 The vast majority are simply wanting to steer it in a way that they believe is going to be best for them and theirs
00:39:50.000 or figure out ways to jump off of that train and not have to deal with it as best as possible,
00:39:56.520 not have to give in to this kind of transhuman or post-human vision.
00:40:00.240 But the possibilities of decelerating, that doesn't seem to be much of a conviction among almost anyone here.
00:40:10.160 Wow.
00:40:11.140 Joe, where can people go get all your writings on this as you put into print what you're seeing out there?
00:40:19.980 Well, the big one's coming much later, but I'm going to have a piece out on this within the next two days at joebot.xyz.
00:40:27.580 You can find the long-form videos on my X account, at J-O-E-B-O-T-X-Y-Z.
00:40:35.620 They'll be going up over today and tomorrow.
00:40:38.720 Some are up now, including Ben Gertzel.
00:40:41.100 And then also on the War Room channel, I'm going to have a big compilation of basically all of my interviews and the event.
00:40:50.320 Look for that tomorrow.
00:40:51.940 Thank you very much, Steve.
00:40:52.800 Thank you, brother.
00:40:54.960 Appreciate you.
00:40:56.300 Thank you.
00:40:57.440 Trying to stay at the cutting edge.
00:40:59.840 We're actually going to get one of the things that Joe is doing.
00:41:02.580 You know, we've had some pretty prominent people in artificial intelligence come on here in the last couple of months.
00:41:09.800 And we're backed up.
00:41:11.420 A lot of people want to come on here now because they want to get to this audience and make sure this audience understands what's really going on.
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00:42:00.440 Ava, the Chinese Communist Party, in trying to steal the 2020 election, John Solomon's been breaking these stories that Kash Patel and the FBI have been giving them.
00:42:13.560 Can you give us an update in your observations?
00:42:15.860 You kind of called this a couple of years ago.
00:42:17.840 Miles Guo said it, that they hate Trump so much, they see 2020 as a year that they must take him out.
00:42:24.120 And if they can't do it through a pandemic or they can't do it any other way, they're going to get into it and steal the election.
00:42:30.340 Ma'am.
00:42:31.980 Thank you, Steve, for having me.
00:42:33.480 You know, it's kind of awkward for me to say Miles Guo and whistleblower movement was right.
00:42:40.040 As you mentioned, Miles had basically reviewed what's behind the CCP and what they were about to do at the time.
00:42:50.840 In November 2020, he basically told the world that the CCP used all kind of fraudulent activities and not just a single one of them.
00:43:02.220 Multi-fronts, multiple layers of those fraudulent activities, carefully planned way ahead to steal this election.
00:43:11.400 And today I want to fill in the blanks because Miles Guo made a bold claim and many people laughed at him in 2020 November.
00:43:20.080 And he said, this is not a presidential election between Biden and Trump versus Trump.
00:43:28.340 But this is actually an election between Xi Jinping's Chinese Communist Party and America.
00:43:34.400 And I wanted to help your audience to understand why he said that.
00:43:37.860 You need to understand why Biden must steal the election and why the Xi Jinping, the CCP, had to, you know, whatever costs they have to pay, they have to help Biden to win this election.
00:43:53.300 You need to understand why this all comes back to the laptop from hell, which has been buried and dismissed as Russia disinformation.
00:44:02.780 I think just a few days after the New York Post broke the story, I think 51 intelligence officers saying, hey, this is Russia.
00:44:11.180 Smells like an inflammation operation from an adversary state.
00:44:18.240 But wait a second.
00:44:19.820 Do you, does people know what's in this laptop?
00:44:22.900 Of course not.
00:44:23.660 But this is where I want to link everything together for you.
00:44:27.120 So you knew Miles was taken away by FBI on March 15th, 2023, only six hours after his arrest.
00:44:37.200 His Sherry Nesland Hotel, which is a very high, classic high-end residence in the heart of Manhattan, New York.
00:44:47.260 And mysteriously, the fire engulfed the entire apartment.
00:44:51.840 But on top of it, the wall, the partition wall between two rooms, one is piano room and theater room, was chiseled open.
00:45:00.220 You know what's inside the partition wall?
00:45:03.600 It was top secret recording of the conversation between Xi Jinping and the then Vice President Joe Biden on political matters concerning these two countries.
00:45:16.180 And on top of it, there are massive, massive amount of financial corruption dealings, evidence between Biden's family and CCP leaders, Wang Qishan, the Vice President then.
00:45:31.380 But more so, what's gone, what's missing, is Hunter Biden's hard drives, USBs with audios, videos, photos of Hunter Biden, dining and business negotiation and entertainment in Pengu Hotel in Beijing with CCP intelligence agents.
00:45:53.180 Okay?
00:45:53.480 And who owns the Pengu Hotel?
00:45:55.620 I don't have to say that again.
00:45:57.280 Miles was a family trust owning the Pengu Hotel.
00:46:00.480 So, all of those things are gone after Miles Kuo was taken away by the FBI.
00:46:07.500 So, and those evidence dates back to 2010.
00:46:10.740 Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.
00:46:11.660 Slow down, slow down.
00:46:13.100 Yeah.
00:46:13.640 Are you saying that, are you implying that the FBI destroyed what you purport?
00:46:19.860 I don't think there's any of the backup, but you purport to be this damning, this damning information?
00:46:25.360 Okay, let me tell you two things.
00:46:28.160 When Miles Kuo was arrested on that day, none of the FBI agents were a camera.
00:46:32.720 Okay, this is off.
00:46:33.820 And the second thing is, this is the most luxury hotel.
00:46:36.960 In downtown Manhattan, okay, Miles Kuo owned the entire floor of 18th floor of Sherry Neslin.
00:46:44.220 And that's the largest apartment.
00:46:46.240 And he himself installed security cameras all over the place, including the building.
00:46:52.980 But the weird thing is, there's no video footage.
00:46:57.420 There's a lot of minutes of misting.
00:46:59.460 And even after investigation by the local fire department, an ATF issued a report and saying they cannot conclude the reason of the fire.
00:47:06.780 So the fire remains mysterious today.
00:47:09.620 And why they chisel the wall?
00:47:11.400 Why they have to do that?
00:47:12.680 And the part that they chisel the wall actually has the most fire damage.
00:47:16.920 So none of this makes sense.
00:47:19.100 So what really makes sense for you is Xi Jinping is the puppet master.
00:47:26.400 And he has all those compromising evidence.
00:47:29.040 Could put Biden in jail for treason.
00:47:31.480 And that's death.
00:47:32.440 Okay, that's death because all those evidence are dating back to 2010 when he was a vice president with photos, with audios, with everything.
00:47:42.520 Okay, and that's why Biden is fighting for his survival.
00:47:46.900 But Xi is fighting for ultimate control.
00:47:49.320 Because why?
00:47:50.300 Because the people who knew the truth are in the United States, are Xi Jinping's top five enemies.
00:47:56.760 So are you saying, are you saying, okay, are you saying that because he had this damning evidence over Biden, that that's why he worked so hard to make sure that Biden, I mean, it is quite mysterious, a couple of things.
00:48:12.780 Hang on.
00:48:13.520 There's a, there is some, there's some, um, the disjointed part of this is, is, you know, obvious.
00:48:20.880 That they took the laptop from hell, uh, the guy that ran, Isaac's, that ran the, uh, store, turned it over to the FBI in November of 2019.
00:48:30.520 So that Chris Wray and Bill Barr had it then.
00:48:33.560 And they did not bring it up.
00:48:35.060 If they had brought it up, uh, in all likelihood, you know, um, uh, Pocahontas, right?
00:48:42.580 Or, or Bernie Sanders would have been the nominee.
00:48:45.360 The, the scale of the corruption was so immense that could have been seen because I was brought in here to go through the CCP part.
00:48:52.400 It was so immense that, uh, it kind of blew me away when I first went through it.
00:48:56.780 And this was the same laptop from hell that the following September and October, only the New York Post and Miranda Devine and Emma Jo Morris had the courage to really take it to their editors.
00:49:08.800 And their editors and the Murdoch lawyers signed off on it, published it, uh, in, in, of course, all social media with the FBI and with the Biden regime, uh, suppressed it.
00:49:20.740 So are you saying there was enough information off that and others that this is why she, okay, fine.
00:49:27.240 Uh, we're, we got, Ava, we got to bounce.
00:49:32.000 Where do people go on, uh, NFC, uh, the show?
00:49:36.300 I'm actually going to be on the show tomorrow, uh, where do people go to get your, your podcast, your, uh, your daily, uh, your daily show?
00:49:44.240 And also where do they go on Getter, right?
00:49:47.320 Cause we want everybody to go to Getter.
00:49:48.540 I'm putting up my stuff on Getter nonstop.
00:49:50.380 So if you want to see our current thinking, right.
00:49:53.000 Or the direction of our thinking, just go to Getter.
00:49:55.740 Uh, where do people go to get a new federal state of China's content?
00:49:59.780 Please do follow us on Getter, which is our preferred platform at NFSC Speaks.
00:50:07.560 Um, and also we're on X, so you can find a, find us on X, uh, at NFSC Speak.
00:50:13.360 So tomorrow at, uh, at noon-ish, we will have our Friday special with, uh, you, Steve.
00:50:19.280 Um, so we will talk about a little bit more about the intel behind what I just shared here.
00:50:23.000 So thank you.
00:50:24.180 Perfect.
00:50:24.420 Look forward to going, uh, getting with you guys tomorrow.
00:50:28.280 Uh, it stinks to high heaven.
00:50:29.720 There's definitely, you can't connect the Biden relationship with the Chinese Communist Party,
00:50:36.180 what's on the laptop from hell.
00:50:37.860 And Miranda Devine's done a great job of, of putting it out, but it still doesn't actually
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00:50:45.220 She's done a fantastic job.
00:50:46.540 It would have never gotten out if it had not been for her.
00:50:49.560 But, uh, even in that regard, it is, uh, there's so much more there that's shocking.
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