WarRoom Battleground EP 794： Future Shock： Massive Data Breach, OpenAI Surveillance, and the Quantum Apocalypse
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Steve Bannon seen at the White House on the very same day that President Donald Trump announced the two-week timeline for the Iran deal, a meeting that was supposed to take place weeks ago, but was rescheduled for weeks.
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look who's back steve bannon seen at the white house on the very same day that president
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trump announced the two-week timeline on iran does bannon have the president's year
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is longtime trump advisor steve bannon wouldn't you know it this morning steve bannon was spotted
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entering the white house there he is a senior white house official said that bannon and trump had
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lunch together a meeting that was supposed to take place weeks ago but was rescheduled and maybe
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that's true who knows and also consider this just before that announcement from the press secretary
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caroline levitt this afternoon that two-week timeline the president's former advisor steve
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bannon was spotted by cnn entering the west wing sources told me he had lunch with the president
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maga firebrand and trump's former strategist steve bannon was spotted at the white house
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interesting that in the dark shadows of the white house another figure seems to have appeared
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and that is one steve bannon uh steve bannon has uh the white house officials say that
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trump and bannon had lunch today um the lunch was scheduled for weeks but nonetheless they have the
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lunch where the hell is he people okay there he is here he goes tell grab team a go he's still
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talking with somebody getting instructions jimmy give me the conversation block the box block the
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box moving grab team c get me a feed in there i want grab team c in there tell me what's going on
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this is the primal scream of a dying regime pray for our enemies because we're going to medieval on
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these people here's when i got a free shot all these networks lying about the people the people
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have had a belly full of it i know you don't like hearing that i know you try to do everything in the
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world to stop that but you're not going to stop it it's going to happen and where do people like
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that go to share the big line mega media i wish in my soul i wish that any of these people had a
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conscience ask yourself what is my task and what is my purpose if that answer is to save my country
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this country will be saved war room here's your host stephen k bann
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it's friday 20 june year of lor 2025 was that the was that the government of
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that's all it hang on stop that's a security camera tape how did morning joe get that
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you can't do a for you request overnight literally how did they get the security camera
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what's most important i think it's the first time my producer's ever been on camera his mother called
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me today quite upset may make him go home go back to uh to to where he comes from um that's amazing
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thanks for putting that together yeah complete meltdown i love it the dark shadows
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the dark specter um i'm going to get to ray dalio here in a moment ray dalio told you in the last
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hour look whether you like him or not whether you think he's worked with the chinese communist party
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or not how he made his money or not he runs the biggest hedge fund in the country and where hedge
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funds are a major part of the financial industry he's written a couple books his last one how countries
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go broke is pretty impressive why because he's preaching the gospel of the war room what you've
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been taught here over the last four years and when a guy like ray dalio decides to put that in a book
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it means that people think it's important so we think it's important for you to understand it the big
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takeaway in the first clip was that uh hey you got this gap seven train spend five training revenue
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unless you either cut grow unless you either grow faster cut or uh raise taxes you're not gonna be
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able to finance what he's gonna say the three percent solution is to get to it's kind of scott
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you know the three three three but particularly to get to three percent of um deficits to gdp right
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now it's about seven that's not sustainable three percent you're not at a balanced budget it's not
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great but you can live with it it means you're still going to have massive deficits going forward
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and yes you're going to mount up this debt which we don't like but that's just i think the financial
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structure of the economy in the country right now and where we are in politics i think that's just
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going to be a reality we're going to break down the big beautiful bill which by the way tolls
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terribly one of the reasons i said you can't call it a big beautiful bill forever because it confuses
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people and they think it's all about spending which is not so we'll get more into that that's
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what you have to prepare people this is why we say on this situation in persia nobody's prepared for
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because they don't fully understand it they certainly don't understand the military aspects of it and why
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it's so essential now now now to go take out the nuclear weapon we've asked brian kennedy come on
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brian's one of the smartest guys to know and kind of revered by the audience for being a safe pair of
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hands we had a fire breather on this morning uh brian kennedy one of the smartest guys around very well
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connected to the intel community alex jones and alex kind of dropped for the people that don't pay
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attention this closely kind of dropped a bombshell that iran already has a nuclear weapon um i like
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your observing about and if that's the case why are we making such a big deal about ford or if they
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already got a nuke uh and they've had any means at all to deliver it right why are we making such a
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big deal about the the remaining part of their nuclear bomb making capability sir
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well thank you steve yeah no it's uh it was a bombshell that uh that alex would say it on the
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show i wrote as much in a piece for the american mind on wednesday um i've been part of the the
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missile defense community for some time and we worried for over 20 years that the iranians had
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either acquired nuclear weapons from pakistan or from north korea or had built them themselves
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now they've been working with the north koreans and the russians and the chinese for almost 40 years
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on both nuclear technology missile technology warhead design and what have you the russians
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obviously have nuclear weapons the chinese do the north koreans with the help of russia and china
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have also developed them as we well know but the iranians were working with the north koreans the whole
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time almost every single missile that the iranians use is a north korean design the idea that the
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iranians couldn't have acquired from north korea either bought or been given them by north korea
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seems illogical given the strategic relationship that both russia and china have with iran they use
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iran as a surrogate and so the idea that they couldn't have been given nuclear weapons seems a
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bit far-fetched and also the iranian scientists are first class they may not have all the facilities
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that other nations do but the idea that they couldn't have enriched uranium to the point where
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they could use it in a warhead also seems far-fetched one of the things we pointed out for a long time
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has been that in the 2000s the iranians tested in the caspian sea the ability to launch a ballistic
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missile from a ship in the caspian sea they launched it and they exploded in this simulation
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a dummy warhead in the high atmosphere to simulate an electromagnetic pulse attack
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now you wouldn't use that in the middle east against israel but you would use it against the united
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states and in the scenarios that have been developed the idea could be that iran would have a freighter
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ship off either coast of the united states and there are almost 50 000 freighter ships on the water at
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any given time you launch the ballistic missile in the high atmosphere exploded over the united states
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and destroy our electric grid which would kill millions and millions of people that's not fear
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that's just sort of the strategic design of how you would use an emp weapon but in that scenario as
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i describe in this essay that ship is sunk and you don't know exactly who to retaliate to we wouldn't
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know if the north koreans did it the iranians the chinese or the russians but we would know we had been
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attacked if you're communist china and we're on the verge of real hostility with communist china when it
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comes to taiwan you're going to use a surrogate like iran against the united states that scenario
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seems far more likely to me because in that scenario we're not going to launch a full-scale nuclear attack
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on iran if iran has nuclear weapons today from our point of view you know we have our own considerations
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we can build a missile defense to stop them today president trump should be deploying air and naval
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assets on both of our coasts to make sure we're defended from a ship-launched ballistic missile attack
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that's with well within our ability to do president trump with his golden dome wants to build missile
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defenses for this country so that's that scenario is entirely taken out if you're israel on the other
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hand you have a different calculation your calculation is that iran in a kind of messianic way or
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millionaireist kind of way decides to create a worldwide apocalypse and don't care themselves
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that they're destroyed and so if they have the nuclear weapons no israeli prime minister could admit
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publicly that they have the nuclear weapons president trump has said they cannot have nuclear weapons
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if we absolutely acknowledge they have nuclear weapons the logic for that would be president trump
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would have to go to war immediately president trump in a commonsensical way is trying to find a
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different path here he is trying to find some negotiated settlement right winston churchill said better
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to jaw jaw than to war war president trump in that commonsensical way is trying to figure out whether
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there's a peaceful settlement to this because war could escalate rapidly and we don't know when it
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escalates so let me understand this let me understand it you're telling me that u.s intelligence
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because you clearly got this from u.s intelligence some sources u.s intelligence are saying that the
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the iranians already have a nuclear weapon and have the ability to deliver to the to to actually hit
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either through an air burst or some other methodology the united states or continental united states
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they did we had that knowledge in the 2000s that they have the ability to do that
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and no that was that part of it was not controversial the question was whether they have the warhead
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and no and what do you mean they had the nuclear capability but they don't have the warhead
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to actually decide and then they don't really have a weapon correct no no it was believed they had
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the nuclear it was believed they had a ballistic missile and could launch it from a freighter ship
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right the only question is whether in those intervening 20 years they have a warhead that they
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could use to actually do that and as i'm arguing or suggesting and alex jones said on the show this
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morning they already have that nuclear weapon now and the reason people think they have one is it's been
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a long time that for them working on right and you're saying and by that have this warhead correct
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right why are they not using that then to back off the the israelis the key of these guys getting
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the guys that had nuclear weapons like the pakistanis don't get overthrown the people
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or the israelis because the israelis have what 221 nuclear weapons the people that don't have them
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like qaddafi or saddam hussein get overthrown i mean this is why the rush is to get to a nuclear
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weapon if i get a nuclear weapon i can keep everybody at bay is not that not the strategic logic here
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well that would be one strategic logic um it's it's it may be the wrong logic they may be the
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iranians may think that the chinese or the russians are back in their play and that the israelis
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won't use nuclear weapons or that there won't be a nuclear exchange because the americans will step
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in or the chinese or the russians will step in the israelis have been pretty restrained over the last
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how many decades knowing that this was a possibility my own judgment is that they looked at president
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trump and thought we're never going to get a better president to do this our calculation if we're the
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israelis is iran iran is an unstable regime that may use these to destroy us therefore we're going to
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act now we'll have president trump in office he's as solid as you're going to get and we'll have three
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years with him to reconstitute the middle east politically he'll have the israelis are going to
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calculate they have supportive saudis that's all that's all that's all fine from their calculation
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i understand that but here's the thing last thursday why did they have to go on a sneak attack
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last thursday when president trump had and it stated that he was looking for a diplomatic solution and
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had scheduled in muscat oman the sixth sessions that he had with whitkoff and others now maybe
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they weren't making the progress maybe they came back and said we don't like the deal we're only
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going to have verification we're not going to let you take a part could have been all kinds of things
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in the diplomacy and we know that a lot of that's true but what was the rush to go last a week ago
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today was their big triumph and pete you know beating their chest uh shock and awe what what caused them to
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go then and particularly what caused them what sticks in people's craw is why they did this
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understanding which they've been very open about they couldn't finish the deal they would actually
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need they would get here and get hung out to dry taking incoming on their civilians and not and by the
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way run out of air missiles and have to come back to the united states as a supplicant and ask for more
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on credit because they're not paying cash money on the barrelhead our special relationship is we just
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give them what they want it's going to cost like 14 billion dollars i think the calculation is but
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even worse they need us for the coup de grace how can anybody justify that my my issue is not oh
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do they have a nuclear weapon not all this is all interesting it doesn't get to the heart of it
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benjamin netanyahu for his own personal political dilemma created this sense of urgency that doesn't exist
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doesn't exist created it and did the salesman's upsell we have to have regime change and fox news
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is boom boom boom this iraq war all over again it's so phony and so obvious brian kennedy am i wrong in
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this and i said by the way i fully support the israelis taking if they want to do regime change go for it
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i don't care that's their call it's israel first and particularly if they want to take out the nuclear
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threat was supposed to be so awful they should finish what they started we didn't start it
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they started it they should finish it is what is wrong with my logic sir i agree with you i agree
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with you a thousand percent steve they should finish what they started it wasn't our job our strategy has
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to begin first and foremost with what is good for the united states it's their get out for what is good
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for israel they started it they need to finish it they must have calculated they had the capability
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to both start it and finish it if they didn't that's just foolish on their part from our point of
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view we're not prepared for war with iran in the middle east the way i've just described in that scenario
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and so they didn't consult us this was not our idea to do this and the president in negotiating for
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peace was doing the right thing and i agree with you about that rush it is now up to israel to finish
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this it's it's their job if they want to change the regime in iran i think that would be a very good
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thing but it's not the job of the united states to do that it's the job of the israelis but even better
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it's the job of the iranians to do that if you have a regime in tehran that is constituted by israel
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you'll have another you know decades and decades of war because it's not yes iran is not israel the
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same way israel is not the united states it will be up to the iranian people to make a country for
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themselves it doesn't have to be a democracy it could be a military dictatorship but the main purpose
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from our point of view is that it's not hostile to the united states or has war designs against the
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united states it's not our job to fix every country on earth we have one job and that's to fix the
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united states we have to make sure that we have the military to deter any enemy who would seek our
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destruction or and or the military equipment such as missile defense to make sure that's a reality
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that's not the piece here that was in place under proper you know design of of a military uh campaign
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like this we should have been far more prepared than we are today we don't know if this is going to
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work this attack on fordo which is why again this should be up to israel let israel do this and if israel
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wants to change the regime in iran good luck that won't be that easy to do but i believe it could be
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done it would be good for the world if it were done but it's not our job to do that and the president
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i think has been commonsensical in his approach to this and i expect he will be in the future
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no he's a as you know he's a and you've advised me before he's a very uh commonsensical guy and think
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everything through i want to go back something you said that was quite important about regime change as you
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know i'm proud to be with you and frank gaffney and some others the co-founder of the committee
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on the present danger china which is now i don't know seven or eight years we've been around doing
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this one of the things i think we did the best and it was miles go that helped me think this through
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was to make sure we don't refer to china or the chinese people but the chinese communist party and
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always do that and i think that nomenclature has done a lot in the last seven or eight years and as
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you know we kind of lead i'm fully sanctioned by the chinese carers party because we are don't
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believe it's a legitimate government of the chinese people and we are a hundred percent for regime
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change in beijing so i'm not an anti-regime change guy however frank as you and i have talked so many
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times that we've talked to so many of our chinese uh colleagues and chinese national colleagues and
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expatriates and people that are anti-ccp if the united states the united states kind of the state
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department put him in power in 49 the bush apparatus kind of kept him in power for tiananmen when they
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had these kind of popular revolts um you can't do a top down if the united states military or even you
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know if somehow the united states was to take them out of power it wouldn't work lao bai jing has to
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rise up at some point in time with assistance from the west no doubt or from people that back their
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cause they have to overthrow it that's why i've been so big on economic warfare in the
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case of the persians particularly oil the one and a half to two and a half million barrels a day that
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goes from persia to china and is a big part of the cash flow coming into to the mulas that if you
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really start putting tough economic sanctions like we put economic sanctions after we got jcpoa
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president trump you had the really the first big uprising in 22 of those remember you had millions of
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kids in the street for like two or three weeks that's where you see an uprising i want to
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go back to iraq because one of the it wasn't the jewish insider but one of maybe it was the jewish
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news service one of the things i read all the time from israel kind of said oh these guys comparing
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iraq to iran or it's anti-semitic it has nothing about that what we're doing is now people are talking
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about the the shah's grandson and the shah's son and the peacock throne and this committee they've got
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some sort of council of expatriate persians that you know people should do due diligence on this goes
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back to the iraqi national congress you remember that when chalibay and these guys were presented
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to the american people in the year and a half run-up part that was presented to the as a psyop
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was chalibay and all these guys were going to step in and they were jeffersonian democracies and they
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were going to be welcomed by the people in baghdad because people were waiting for democracy and it
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turned out after the march up country which took us i don't know a couple of weeks we turned around
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with hey we have to have somebody here to kind of help when the iraqi national congress and chalibay
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and those guys stepped over there they they were lost to history they never had you never heard about
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them again because the people there go who are you guys you guys have been hanging out in washington
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living large you're not part of us isn't that the point that when you do this regime change if you
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just do it from the top it's just going to be utter and total chaos as those horrible horrible horrible
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years of what 2004 and five and six and seven right and eight uh were as we were trying to hold
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down baghdad sir well that's the least serious part of this whole thing isn't it this idea that there are
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these people in the wings who can come in and do this the what the way wars end like this is that
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presumably presumably at one point some some iranian general is going to be looked to to see whether he
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can control the country militarily that he could secure their weapons whatever they may be and
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decides to depose the mullahs and make sure that iran could um realistically sign some sort of peace
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agreement with israel or the united states or the west more broadly and then constitute some kind of
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country that could ensure the stability of iran with this is not about the democracy project this is not
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about you know restoring the shah to power this will be about iran fine trying to figure out whether
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or not they can have a a stable country that could govern themselves and not be a threat to to those
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around them because presumably if this gets to a more more uh heightened state of warfare then you know
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things will escalate to the point where if there is regime change that person will have to demonstrate
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he actually controls the country if not yet it will denigrate into some kind of chaos or civil war
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i actually think just given the iranian regime and the in the power of the generals right now
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you could find a general to do that but again you know we're not very good as americans and figuring
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this stuff out it'll be the job of iran to figure out what their future looks like the other one to have the
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moolahs and live that way or they'll have some general try to form a government a government somehow
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that will provide peace and stability there but that's a that's a long way off and not that easy
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to pull off well it wouldn't have been a long way off if president trump had not put his foot down people
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should know if he had not put his foot down on wednesday bb netanyahu's government were pushing and
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pushing hard for a regime change i would say regime destruction destroy it and figure out if there's
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a general that picks up it steps up but the the israeli government the government israel was
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pushing very hard it was an upsell create a sense of urgency then upsell you and thank god president
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trump in that kind of basic common sense that he has it's so powerful was able to see through it and
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you know it's said and it's been said many times he's not participating in in regime change what he's
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looking at at max is the the military strike and could it work if his negotiation fails right the
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next couple weeks if he thinks he's being tapped along or dismissed and today in in geneva you know
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the delegates from from iran to with the europeans said it has to be a ceasefire you can't let the
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israelis pound us or we're not going to talk i don't know if trump president trump's going to buy
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that he's going to say hey either sit down and talk or we have the potential getting involved so i think
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this thing gets more and more serious and about the generals remember napoleon was called back
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from the campaign in egypt and then we returned the central committee had uh had called him back
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that was overseeing the revolution as you remember brian and when he got back his famous quote is
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i saw the crown of france in the gutter and i just put my sword out and picked it up he saw the
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opportunity he was the general that gave him a whiff of grape shot and uh calmed the mob down and then
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took over uh revolutionary france and uh built it into a military dictatorship in an empire brian
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kennedy you're a good man you're a smart man and you're a wise man where do people go to get your content
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sir uh thank you steve um on uh getter i'm brian t kennedy and on uh x i'm brian t kennedy one and
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present danger china.org where uh you you were one of the founders of the committee we have a wealth
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of knowledge that i and frank gaffney and others have put together with your help thank you tremendous
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out there with the big wigs in silicon valley in the bay area you've got two great cold opens let's
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go ahead and play the first joe allen's with us and then joe allen will explain it all to us
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gary marcus will you have always been willing to criticize sam altman not only for what he's doing
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but perhaps even implying that there's ill intent i mean i think open ai is probably going to head
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towards surveillance you can imagine two business models for open ai one would be if they could
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actually build agi soon maybe they can make a lot of money with that real agi would be worth trillions of
00:35:12.380
dollars but the things that they've actually delivered don't work that reliably and that has
00:35:17.420
limited their commercial utility they have a lot of private data people treated as a therapist and
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they now want to build apparently like a necklace or something they record you 24 7 like that's like
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1984 independent i mean you can't be a libertarian and want some party to be collecting all of that data
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on anything that anybody does so i'm here with the ceo of global quantum intelligence andre koenig thank
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is china really keeping up with the u.s or western countries in the advancement of quantum computing
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no china is 10 to 15x ahead of us on every meaningful metric if it were to go in the
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catastrophic directions what are some of the specific problems that would arise from rapid and
00:36:02.860
uncontrolled breakthroughs so of course quantum computing can help with new materials new chemistry
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which has a weapon application both in a defensive and offensive posture but it is really about
00:36:16.940
factorization and breaking most of our known um encryption and this is something that would
00:36:22.780
happen at a flip of a switch and its ultimate terminal you're breaking into jp morgan and citibank
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you're breaking into the fed you're breaking into our telecom system you might be breaking into our
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nuclear codes right wow scott schaefer's joining us from blade technologies to discuss well let's begin
00:36:40.540
with the data breach 16 billion 16 billion exposed login credentials google apple facebook just to name
00:36:47.260
all of them and 16 billion what eight billion people in the world yeah 16 billion credentials and one thing
00:36:52.860
the scariest thing of all a lot of times we get these breaches it's like it's all old stuff just repackaged
00:36:57.660
this looks to be all new stuff and fairly recent stuff so what does everybody have to do right now
00:37:02.620
that it's watching or at least this weekend change every password you have on every device you own
00:37:07.100
it's important and it has to be unique on every device you own hold it there's only like 10 bombshells
00:37:17.420
see this is a joe allen thing joe allen goes out there and they think he's some corn you know some
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some cracker from backwoods tennessee right sergeant york and uh he gets up there and he slips out there
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with his methodology and he gets the most explosive content i've ever heard i don't want to go to the
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ccp one i gotta finish with the end one what in the hell happened and what should our audience know
00:37:41.500
about this brother so steve cyber news just broke a story actually two weeks ago but they've been updating
00:37:50.140
it uh consistently 16 billion usernames and passwords discovered in dark web databases that
00:37:58.300
were enabled that were available to anyone any bad actor that would want to get their hands on it
00:38:04.060
those included logins and passwords for facebook for google for apple even things like telegram now
00:38:11.980
these sorts of revelations are happening all the time in fact uh about two weeks ago it was revealed
00:38:18.460
that china had a massive data breach quite similar with wechat and alibaba and their big companies
00:38:25.500
over there what's significant about it aside from the scale of it if you heard what gary marcus was
00:38:32.780
saying there about open ai gathering up personal data including putting out their new wearable pendant
00:38:39.980
that it would basically monitor you 24 7 if you allowed it to to pick up your personal data and
00:38:47.420
then customize their ai to you slow down slow down slow down slow down the last time i saw a pendant
00:38:53.260
like that was like in rosemary's baby right when they made her the witch coven said hey we got some
00:38:58.460
made her wear the pendant next thing you know you know she's having satan's baby uh poor mia pharaoh
00:39:04.220
walk me back what do you mean pendant what is he talking explain to our audience because i think
00:39:07.900
many of our audience particularly the boomers are like me that a lot of this is is quite foreign what
00:39:13.420
do you mean that a has come up with a pendant that you can wear 24 7 what the hell does that mean
00:39:19.580
well believe it or not this model is actually quite common other companies have already put them out but
00:39:24.620
this one is important because it's in development right now with open ai and the idea behind it and
00:39:32.220
all of these devices it could also be a smart watch it could also be a little alexa type device it could
00:39:38.460
be interconnected with all of them the idea is that open ai wants to create a an ai interface that
00:39:47.340
knows everything about you and this isn't some you know secret that is being held behind closed doors
00:39:54.940
and people have leaked this is sam altman saying the purpose of chat gpt should be a companion
00:40:03.020
or a kind of guardian angel that knows you inside and out and would then be able to better serve you
00:40:10.700
so to speak so that's what gary marcus is pointing out there that if they don't deliver on agi they have
00:40:17.420
tons of personal data from interactions they have tons of important corporate data but oh well but hang
00:40:24.060
on hang on slow down so even forget whether they they deliver an agi or not if they're doing this and he he's
00:40:31.420
part of the stargate model right that the president announced in the roosevelt room correct stargate
00:40:35.980
this is where he and elon musk it continued their fight right he just announced i think because i
00:40:42.460
heard elon musk is in meltdown about it first off he was invited to go to the middle east conference and
00:40:48.380
elon wasn't i mean elon tagged along but he really open ai was and then they came back and they just got
00:40:54.780
a massive government contract did they not sir yes they did with the department of defense and then
00:41:01.500
in addition to that they had a contract with the u.s government from the biden administration
00:41:07.020
that basically came into effect under trump to use open ai's ai to either augment or in many cases
00:41:15.900
replace government workers so very similar to what we've been hearing about doge but open ai yeah so
00:41:22.860
so hang on for a second we just had an announcement and i forget the company but
00:41:26.620
i want the audience to know they just had an announcement somewhere in the world in fact
00:41:29.260
i think it was a government had a massive breach of crypto i think they had 70 million dollars stolen
00:41:35.340
out of a crypto one these crypto wallets gone in a flash you've had this breach now both in the china
00:41:41.180
so when you get a breach in china remember the ccp takes this very seriously
00:41:48.460
passwords correct a breach of passwords um and there's only what seven billion seven and a half
00:41:55.180
maybe eight billion people in the world you're talking about this pendant and they see these
00:42:00.140
they're actually commercials now for have these agents regardless of whether he gets to agi
00:42:06.540
you're got this is a massive surveillance if they want and if they want an artificial intelligence device
00:42:12.540
worn as a pendant whatever to be your guardian angel to know everything about you
00:42:17.180
how can how can they not have the opportunity to give it to a government to give it to a bad actor
00:42:22.300
to give it to somebody's prepared to pay them if it's maybe not your friend if they know everything
00:42:27.180
about you how is that not a possibility of a surveillance state that's so far bigger than 1984
00:42:35.420
than orwell's biggest nightmare sir absolutely and the really important thing there too i mean google
00:42:43.820
people put a lot of personal information into google asking health questions relationship questions
00:42:50.220
things like this uh email obviously people have personal communications all the time if that gets
00:42:56.220
breached then they get into that but with open ai's plan it will read all of your searches it will read
00:43:03.020
all of your emails it will listen to all your conversations it will listen to all your calls it will be held in a
00:43:10.220
a secure database and then used for your benefit they say but clearly clearly uh one one way or the other
00:43:19.500
whether it is with partnership with government whether it is of their own sort of malicious intent or if the
00:43:27.580
database doesn't turn out to be as secure as it's promised which happens all the time then suddenly you
00:43:34.220
have you're basically exposed inside and out you're naked out in the digital desert with snakes nipping at
00:43:40.940
your heels why why why would anybody help me out here because i know people are doing this why would
00:43:48.220
anybody give a a non-sentient at least now uh artificial intelligence device a digital device no matter how
00:43:57.660
complex why would why would anybody share everything that they have every all their thoughts all their
00:44:05.100
health care information their financial information all their emails the text messages all their google searches
00:44:11.820
why would what what is incentive why would a rational human being right why would anybody do that sir
00:44:18.860
in my opinion it's unfounded trust coupled with the desire for convenience a lot of people basically
00:44:29.740
rely and myself included i do this all the time you rely on a digital device to communicate with loved ones you
00:44:37.340
rely on a digital device to get information that is of a very very personal nature and so this has been with us
00:44:44.700
forever steve you know this has been with us all my adult life since the the 90s they've been raking
00:44:50.780
over our data the difference though now is that that already with smartphones there's this normalization
00:44:58.300
of using the smartphone to basically digitize your life either to get information or give information about
00:45:04.860
yourself to other people and with ai you get there's this relationship being formed between human beings
00:45:13.100
and ai of various sorts chat bots even humanoid robots i've seen this uh all weekend uh at there
00:45:20.860
are all week at the world ai summit and so in this and i've seen it across the country this this process
00:45:29.020
of merging people's personal lives with the digital realm and then raking it over and using it again they always
00:45:37.180
say to better serve you blah blah blah but it is very clear from edward snowden's revelations on
00:45:44.860
forward that this is being used by governments this is being used by corporations that do not have your
00:45:51.020
best interests at heart and if the data is exposed as we see with this massive breach of overlapping
00:45:58.860
logins and passwords uh if bad actors get a hold of it then they've got you inside and out
00:46:04.140
locked joe can i get you can i commit to get you on tomorrow uh is the conference over as it finally ended
00:46:12.220
yeah the conference is over um and i'm actually i'm meeting in uh the the uh at noon uh pacific time
00:46:19.500
i'm meeting with yosha bach who is one of the uh foremost thinkers in artificial intelligence and he's a wild
00:46:26.540
one but he's uh he's probably one of the foremost thinkers on the idea that ai is potentially going to
00:46:33.580
become conscious and again all week i've heard this from many people ai is now or will be in the
00:46:42.220
future this conscious being so the relationship isn't just with a dead mechanism in their minds
00:46:47.580
the relationship is with a being that's looking back at you you know folks with everything and all
00:46:54.540
the work you've done you've changed the arc of history right you you've you've changed it with your
00:46:59.100
human agency being part of this mega movement and being part of the trump movement and everything
00:47:03.660
we talk about coming down the golden escalator in the 10 years and all the you know triumphs
00:47:08.060
tragedies victories defeat all of it and everything we're doing here it pales even this stopping wars
00:47:14.220
getting our sovereignty back getting 10 million invaders out making sure trying to fix the financial
00:47:20.540
mess this country's in uh it pales really in comparison when you look about what this this
00:47:25.660
technology because it's about to overwhelm us elon musk actually think he said he wouldn't
00:47:30.780
return to go somebody else says i'm not gonna return to government that's like picking up i think
00:47:34.060
it was the phrase joey said picking up needles on the beach when he's preparing for the tsunami
00:47:39.740
of artificial intelligence that's coming in fact um the axios guys i haven't had time to i think
00:47:45.500
there's another horrible report out about jobs this week 10 000 layoff at microsoft 20 000 at intel
00:47:52.620
those are two of the most powerful and respected american technology companies i think joe it's safe
00:47:57.740
to say that most of those are either driven by or adjacent to artificial intelligence that that's why
00:48:04.140
these there's a lot of those jobs are leaving this is beginning of the tsunami against our best
00:48:09.020
workers the tech workers so it is very disturbing and we're going to make sure we're on it i just one
00:48:14.140
thing about one of the other bombshells in that did that did the individual who is the individual
00:48:19.740
said that did he say the chinese communist party it did i hear this right he said that they're 10
00:48:25.900
to 15 times more involved in ai than we are or more advanced in ai than the united states is that what
00:48:33.580
he said uh that was andre koenig of uh global quantum intelligence and he so he's talking about quantum
00:48:42.620
computing which the the good news on that is that quantum computing right now at this present moment
00:48:48.380
really isn't that far along they can't do a whole lot with it but koenig despite his skepticism is
00:48:55.340
fairly convinced that within the next few years meaning five to ten years that it will be a very
00:49:02.460
very potent technological force especially coupled with ai and the biggest danger or one of the biggest
00:49:09.260
dangers i mean you heard him talking about material science and weapons production but he's also
00:49:15.420
pointing out the the big fear of most people who look at quantum computing if you were to have an
00:49:20.620
extremely powerful quantum computer then you could decrypt basically any system and the examples he gave
00:49:27.420
jp morgan and even the department of defense and nuclear codes and it just highlights how much not just
00:49:35.820
citizens but our governments our militaries our companies they're all putting total faith in these digital
00:49:42.220
systems meanwhile the ai companies are saying yes these these systems are maybe going to go out of
00:49:48.780
control maybe there's a 20 chance they're going to go out of control and they're putting all their
00:49:53.900
faith in these systems which are obviously obviously fragile and there's one thing i would like to
00:49:59.900
highlight too just in response to this this kind of dread of what the future could hold i heard a number of
00:50:07.100
people talking about and i spoke to a lot of people about an interest in some kind of left and right
00:50:13.500
wing uh convergence or cooperation in order to get some kind of regulation to bring these these companies
00:50:21.580
to heal i've been hearing this a lot but in person speaking to these people i'm finding a lot of
00:50:27.820
interest and a lot of tolerance for differing views if we could just bring the ai companies and the
00:50:34.060
tech companies in general to heal bring them under control of the populace wow joe where do people
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get your writings your thoughts all of it uh you can find my writings at jobot.xyz and there are three
00:50:49.100
great interviews from the world summit ai conference up on my x platform at joe b-o-t x-y-z that's
00:50:58.380
ben gertzel that is gary marcus and uh pile aurora i i think the war room audience is really going to
00:51:05.580
enjoy uh all three of those thank you very much steve we will push we'll push those out those are
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huge and maybe grace we push those on the main channels tonight to make sure we can uh can join
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