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Summary
When Pope Leo, His Holiness, took to the stage on Sunday to speak on international politics, there was no mention of the Prince of Peace, Jesus Christ. What does that say about the role of the Catholic Church in international politics? And what role does it play in promoting peace?
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I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
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If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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Harnwell here at the helm on Steve Bannon's War Room,
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which is picking through all the latest developments,
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a MAGA in America first, where and when possible perspective.
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Let's go straight into, because we've got a lot of articles to go through today,
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My usual guests, Frank Walker and Jenny Holland join me.
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And this is something that Pope Leo, Holy Pope Leo,
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which in the modern liturgies is when the church goes through the motions
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And Pope Leo made that the occasion to intervene on international politics,
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specifically the war between Israel, Iran and the American bombing.
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Leo, Frank, why don't you talk us through what Leo was saying
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and whether you noticed yourself any gaps, perhaps,
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any things he neglected to consider or to mention or to refer to in his discourse?
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Well, I suppose that he could have referred to the dangers of nuclear proliferation.
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But what strikes me, and I think this is the umpteenth time that he's pushed this,
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what I would call pacifism, peace, peace, peace,
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as if complete peace all the time is Christianity
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and nobody should ever fight against injustice.
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Knights used to be, you had a guest here a couple of weeks ago,
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Raymond Ibrahim, talked about fighting in wars that can be good.
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In fact, the opposite is really vice, is cowardice.
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And I think that the whole point of this piece really is to leverage on the side
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of the people who are the offenders against the victims.
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This is a great opportunity to politic against Trump in the name of Christ.
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Frank, I tell you what I didn't notice in this discourse was there was not only no reference to God,
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I think strange though, of course, I'm used to this.
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To see our Catholic prelates talking about peace without invoking the Prince of Peace himself.
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It was the Old Testament false prophets, right, who went about crying peace, peace, where there is no peace.
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And that is, I'm not sure, taking both the New and the Old Testament taken together,
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I'm not sure that the Catholic Church should have an instinctive preference,
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at least if it's going to intervene on these things, for peace in the absolute, in the abstract,
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I think, you know, that's what Raymond Ibrahim was also sort of mentioning a few weeks ago.
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That is to say, I think the Catholic Church should, you know,
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if we're talking about papal interventions in issues which are complex and detailed,
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I think the Catholic Church should reach beyond just banal platitudes if it wants to be taken seriously, right.
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And, of course, Jesus Christ said, you know, I've not come to bring peace but put a sword as well,
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That is to say, it is not the Catholic Church's primary purpose on the international stage
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when making political interventions just to promote peace in the abstract, not remotely.
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The role of the Catholic Church is to promote the Gospel and the Kingdom of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ.
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First and foremost, if you do that, if you do that,
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and if everybody of the six billion people on the face of the planet inculcated in their hearts a love towards Jesus Christ,
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then perhaps an authentic peace might emerge out of it.
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But until that is the case, you know, the Catholic Church are talking about peace without the proper foundations.
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It's going to be like, is this from the Psalms?
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It's like the pelican on the rooftop squawking away all by itself, you know.
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Anyway, just give me your response to what I just said, if you wouldn't mind on that.
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And then I'll read a quote from this thing and then we'll cut over to Jenny.
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What he's what he's doing is he's scolding people who are actually being virtuous and they're fighting to fight as a soldier on the battlefield and offer your life for your country is a very, very high virtuous thing.
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And from the from the pope himself and not just him, but the political leaders who try to fight on behalf of what's right, on behalf of what's just the pope for him, for him to say these things all the time, this pacifism, which is a heresy, is scolding people for actually being virtuous and undermining virtue.
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And when you undermine virtue from Rome itself, you're creating a planet of people who are cowards.
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You know, there's you know, he there was nobody hurt in this attack on Iran.
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And there was that, you know, there was it was a very limited and they were evacuated at first.
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But he's, you know, he's talking about mothers and children as if he as if Trump and, you know, generally, you know, hinting that perhaps Trump has hurt children.
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And that's sort of in a way that's kind of a blood libel, actually, under the circumstances.
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What he did here may somehow be leading to peace through strength, like they say.
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These things are all possible under just war teaching in the church.
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Look, as people who follow me on Ghetto will know, I've been incredibly right from the first moment against both the Israeli bombarding of Iran, but also the U.S. bombarding of Iran.
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So we can we can just go discuss those at another time.
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What I was, you know, so I said that I don't want anyone to, you know,
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I have, you know, I don't want anyone to think there's a contradiction to what I'm saying.
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But from a religious perspective, specifically a Christian perspective.
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And again, this thought comes to me as I hear you're speaking, Frank, that.
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Look, is there a parallel here between the Orthodox Jews in Israel who refuse to be called up to fight and refuse to some extent to recognize the foundation, the foundation of the secular state of Israel?
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Because they say it wasn't founded by the promised Messiah, which from a Jewish perspective is coherent.
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Is there a parallel, do you think, between the Orthodox position there in refusing to recognize the legitimacy of the secular modern state?
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And Catholics saying that the Pope shouldn't be promoting peace unless it is a peace founded on Jesus Christ?
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Because both of these things are predicated on God and his promises, right?
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If you just wore teaching is, I think, critical to power.
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So if you're trying to support a valid government, whether it's that, you know, you don't like the secular state, so you're not going to support that, you don't consider that just.
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If Catholics constantly teach peace as if it were Catholic teaching, there wouldn't be, if they did that all the time, there wouldn't be a church in Europe.
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So depending on whether or not, it's key, whether or not their cause is just, fighting battles is important.
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And, you know, I think that I don't, you know, the ins and outs of what's going on in the Middle East are very complicated right now.
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And especially when you get to Trump, you know, I don't know whether the war is just.
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But if you constantly are teaching that it's never, ever just, that nothing good, you know, war always is bad.
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It's never good, even quotes Pius XII, I think, you know, outside of context, saying that, you know, war is always bad.
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You know, you're just capitulating is what you're doing.
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Let me be precise about this, because I wasn't against the bombing because I'd invoked my own interpretation of just war theory.
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I was against the bombing because I didn't see how it fitted within, how can I say, a strict definition of the America First philosophy.
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That was the reason particularly I was against it.
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I'm sure you could, I'm sure theologians could make a valid argument for invoking just war theory on that.
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I'm sure others will also say not, because of course it depends on the fundamental reality of whether the Iranians,
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whether the Ayatollah himself had actually greenlit a resumption of nuclear, the nuclear weapons making program.
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Because if he hadn't done, then a preventative strike become, it then becomes far more difficult to sustain.
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But it was more against the America First aspect.
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And we'll come back to, I'm sure, in future episodes.
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Let's go now to the UK, this story here, this development about the assisted dying bill in the UK, Jenny.
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But also tell us, because here, in the particular reference to this that we have here,
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there was a Labour MP who is associated with something called Blue Labour.
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And this is something I think Steve has had on the show also in the past.
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Just tell us a bit, if you wouldn't mind, the Blue Labour thing is, again, remind us.
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And then say whether you're surprised that a Labour MP actually ended up voting against it.
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So, Blue Labour is a blue-collar wing group within the Labour Party.
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And as you know, and your audience probably knows, the UK Labour Party is very, almost entirely quite far left and progressive
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and has all but abandoned the British working class in a multitude of ways.
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So, I was surprised that a Labour MP voted in that way, only in that I was surprised that there are still vestiges
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of the old traditional working class, conservative social values ethos within the Labour Party.
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I was relieved to see that it hasn't completely gone extinct.
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Now, you know, the vote is not set in stone yet.
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And there is still, I suppose, a chance of stopping it.
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But it seems to have very strong momentum in spite of very loud, very vocal concerns raised against it from sort of across the spectrum.
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I mean, here in Northern Ireland, all but one of our MPs voted against it, including the more traditional sort of staunch religious Protestant parties,
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the smaller ones and the larger ones, but also even the MP for Alliance, which is a very progressive party.
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So, I think people are voting on this along more personal lines than party lines.
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However, it's a very dark bill and it's likely to become law.
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When you were speaking a moment ago about Leo, Pope Leo and his banal platitudes, I think you called them about peace,
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it brought to mind what the Church of England's reaction to the assisted dying bill was.
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And that was to give out an incredibly bureaucratic and anodyne statement calling the bill unsafe, which, I mean, I honestly have to laugh.
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I mean, it's almost like a Monty Python skit that, you know, the Church of England, which is supposed to be the moral center of the United Kingdom
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and this historic institution, called a bill that would allow the government to off its own citizens unsafe.
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I mean, it almost seems like that's kind of the point.
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I don't mean to be glib, but it's almost like dark humor at this point.
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You know, a point, an observation to that, which I could have made when we were talking about the Leo's, Pope Leo's intervention on the war.
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It is as if both the Church of England and the Catholic Church these days, and not just these days, for decades,
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they will do absolutely anything to avoid talking about Jesus Christ in the public sphere.
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It doesn't matter what somersaults they have to do, what contortions they have to do.
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If they can come out with a pseudo-innocuous banal platitude, that was the expression, right, a banal platitude,
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if they can come out with just some meaningless word salad, right, to avoid having to actually refer to Jesus Christ, they will do that.
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And it is almost the case that I'd say that the better able you are to just produce these meaningless sort of press releases,
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the more likely you are to see advancement within your respective ecclesial communion.
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By the way, I think for the last 30 years in the UK, Islam has been the world's, has been the UK's fastest growing religion.
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Oh, you know, we're going to come on to this, because you have another story from a couple of weeks ago,
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but we'll come on to that in the second half, because I think that ties into this.
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But Islam, but just to give it its due, when it comes to banal platitudes, it sort of reacts to banal platitudes,
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like Superman to kryptonite, they don't go anywhere near it.
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You know, if you look at what the Muslims are saying, it's normally coherent, very clear, and take it or leave it.
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And people respond to that in the religious sphere, in the political sphere as well, but especially the religious sphere.
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People respond to that, because they don't want to be participating in a make-it-up-as-you-go-along religion.
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I mean, it seems to me at this point, and I don't mean to sound like a rabble-rouser,
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but it seems to me that the elites, both in government and in the churches, are almost unsalvageable.
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They have yet to provide any clear moral authority.
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They're constantly speaking out of both sides of their mouth.
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And as you say, they're not delivering what all of the numbers are showing people actually want,
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which is, as you say, coherence, a sort of a spine, moral fortitude,
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and a sense of meaning, even if it requires sacrifice.
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When you listen to leaders across the spectrum, you get the sense that they would do anything to stay in power
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and will sacrifice nothing for a belief, which is the exact opposite of what regular people are now picking up on
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And when it comes to the Labour Party and the Keir Starmer version of the Labour Party,
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like the Tony Blair change of the Labour Party, you have to give them their due, too,
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That is what they're going to do, and you expect that from them.
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But to see something like the Church of England issue almost like an HR department's memorandum about how,
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oh, dear, well, maybe this isn't safe when we're talking about killing off elderly and sick patients
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on an already very overtaxed NHS, I mean, that to me deserves far more ire
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than the Labour Party leaders that are trying to push this through.
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Look, before we move on from this, I saw something in the UK press last week,
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and though I didn't flag it up to you, I wonder whether you noticed it yourself,
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that at the very time they're discussing this assisted dying bill,
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they're also discussing the cuts to disability benefits, because, of course, the money simply isn't there.
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And the money's definitely not going to be there if the UK is even going to attempt to meet
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Whatever NATO said earlier on today in the Netherlands,
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there's no NATO country that is going to go anywhere near 5%.
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Look, just to open brackets, Russia's in the middle of a war,
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There is no way that lazy Europeans addicted to welfare are going to tolerate a 5% expenditure on defence
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when there is clearly and manifestly no imminent threat.
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So I'll be looking at that, putting my international editor hat on,
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to see how, having affirmed that they're going to meet 5%,
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I want to see how they're going to regulate it.
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But the point is this, the money's not going to be there.
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And do you draw, do you have your cynical beady eyes on this, as I do, Jenny?
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Do you see a link here between the cuts to disability spending on the one hand
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and the gentle sort of shuffling off the stage of people in the end-of-life condition?
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Because, of course, I think in the UK, where we have the National Health Service,
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I think the statistics are that like 90% of a person's health budget
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That is a 90% of the total NHS expenditure on a person on average
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So if you can get people to willingly embrace their own demise earlier,
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that's going to be huge, huge, huge savings across the board for the NHS.
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do you see any connection between these two phenomena?
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And, you know, my mind can't go to the sort of the darkest place
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who is this Labour Party MP that we mentioned at the beginning,
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where people are very aware of the terrible state of the existing health service
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who I would say many of them have been taxpayers their whole lives
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and help families through those very tough last few years and months.
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I cannot justify voting yes to support assisted dying
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The inability of the state to take care of the existing sick people,
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it's just too close for comfort then to add in assisted dying
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as if that's not going to become a preferred option
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but can you just give me the readout of this poll
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Because obviously the Catholic Inc. press has jumped all over this
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saying how beloved Pope Leo is and how well he's been received.
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you've really sort of dug down a little bit into the statistics there
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you never ever get a poll of actual practicing Catholics.
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You may be once in a while you get it, but very rarely.
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they're asking people, a group of people whom maybe 10% of them
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actually go to Mass and say more than a prayer a day
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And they're using this as an example to say that,
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So, and then they have 65% of them are somewhat favorable.
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So that means, I think that's kind of a tepid favorability,
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You'd think that they at least give him a chance.
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Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
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If Steve were here in this chair, it would be, hold on a bit, hold on it.
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6% of American Catholics, that's like more than one in 20, right?
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Said they have a very or somewhat unfavorable opinion of him.
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Are they faithful Catholics or are they more on the left side?
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Because the poll shows that Republicans likely, I mean,
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And even among the Republicans, you know, you see,
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I think that this wing, this 10% here that definitely,
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not just somewhat, but definitely doesn't like Leo.
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And as far as Republican goes, that's where you find what they would call
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I think that's what this poll says, that MAGA Catholics and conservatives don't like
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There's a big chunk of people in this poll that don't know.
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But I would expect that over the coming months and years that this favorability is going to
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deteriorate as they, you know, as the scam news kind of filters through and the reality gets
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They mentioned his politicking, his lady church, his bishop appointments.
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You know, they're getting past, oh, there's a huge new wave of media campaigning.
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I mean, when he goes out there, they have people kissing his ring.
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Thousands of seminarians are bursting out in Latin hymns.
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You know, they have everything carefully programmed to make him look Catholic here.
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But I don't think the MAGA Catholics are buying it.
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No, I certainly don't think MAGA Catholics are buying it.
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You're the number one Catholic news aggregator.
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No one follows these things or has a better feeling of these things than you.
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Tell me, on the basis of what you were saying, what's your time frame for MAGA Catholics or
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for the unknowns to start forming an opinion that will lean potentially in our direction?
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Well, I noticed that, you know, it's a small thing, but Eric Sammons, just in a tweet, Eric
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Sammons is the head of Crisis Magazine, and there's some other papers, and that's sort of
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And he mentioned the fact that, you know, he's hearing pushback that Leo only has a traditional
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But then underneath that, he's not really a faithful Catholic.
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The fact that he mentions that that is even an issue out there is a sign to us that it's
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Tell me about this article from a short while ago by the Catholic News Agency,
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which listed that Catholics now are number Anglicans among Gen Z in the UK.
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So according to the story, with polls done by the Bible Society, which is a charity,
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and YouGov did surveys of Catholics and Anglicans in the UK and found that in that Gen Z cohort,
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the Catholics outnumber the Anglicans two to one.
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And this really tracks with everything that I'm observing, both in my own experience and also online.
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And the I mean, what we were talking about before about the Church of England saying that the assisted dying bill was unsafe,
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and also the decriminalization of late-term abortion was worrying.
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I mean, if not even the Church of England is going to stand up for its own principles,
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why would young people who are really lost and struggling in a multitude of ways,
00:33:03.960
why are they going to reach for the Church of England as a life raft that they need?
00:33:12.300
So it's not a surprise to me at all that they are turning towards Catholicism.
00:33:18.480
And I know from other sources that many of them, if not most of them,
00:33:22.880
I would just guess that, in fact, probably all of them are going toward the traditional Latin Mass
00:33:30.240
because young people have borne the brunt of a totally secular society.
00:33:38.840
My generation, which is Gen X, we were old enough to have lived off the fumes of the greatest generation
00:33:47.420
generation and the way children were raised since time immemorial, we got the tail end of that.
00:33:55.800
But by the time you get to Gen Z, these kids have been raised without any guardrails
00:34:05.920
She's a millennial, but a young woman who detransitioned.
00:34:12.320
And she said she felt like she was drowning in tar and she had no solid ground to stand on.
00:34:18.800
And she was trying to make herself into a little god.
00:34:21.380
And that is because that's what secular culture teaches children and young people.
00:34:26.020
And what rescued her was returning to the Catholic Church and re-familiarizing herself with God
00:34:35.640
And it's, I mean, it's incredible to hear because these stories are very uplifting.
00:34:41.180
And I found this story in the Catholic News Agency to be quite reassuring, especially
00:34:45.820
because, you know, young people are needed to re-energize common sense morality.
00:34:55.460
They're the ones that are going to have to do it.
00:34:57.420
You know, it's no use old codgers like me talking about it.
00:35:00.240
They're the ones that are going to have to do it for themselves.
00:35:02.320
And hopefully because they're young and still of childbearing years, they will have children
00:35:07.840
And maybe, just maybe, although the odds are still stacked against us all, we can return
00:35:16.060
I have an excerpt from this article, from this poll, which I will troll you with, Jenny.
00:35:30.260
In addition, it says, over a fifth of men aged 18 to 24, which is 21%, now say they are attending
00:35:39.680
church monthly, which is higher than their female peers at 12%.
00:35:45.860
So it's just a few points away from almost being literally double.
00:35:52.320
And I hate to say this, folks, but Christianity is a patriarchal religion.
00:36:03.020
It's not an objective reality because Ben Harnwell said it is.
00:36:11.080
It follows on Judaism, which is also, follows out from, it grows out from Judaism, which is
00:36:18.860
Well, I sort of see here, there's, you know, we've mentioned this, we've touched on this
00:36:25.400
There is definitely a moment going on for guys, for chaps, for men right now, not only in politics,
00:36:34.000
And to see young guys here getting churched up, I think, in terms of its future implications,
00:36:46.360
in the, what's the Latin, the ecclesia domestica, the house church, the idea that men will once
00:36:53.060
will once again, this is after a lapse of centuries, right?
00:36:56.420
The idea that men will step forward and resume a role of leadership in church matters, in
00:37:04.740
religious matters, in faith matters, in the home, I think that is going to be, even if
00:37:10.780
the numbers are small, even if we're talking 21%, that is really going to be the yeast that
00:37:22.600
I've seen, I saw it again the other day, this statistic, that if you really want to make
00:37:27.600
sure your kids go to church when they're adults, it has to be the father that takes them to
00:37:36.340
And this is like both Catholic and Protestant, though the Catholics, I think, have done quite
00:37:40.280
a bit of research on this, has to be the father that takes the kids to church.
00:37:45.700
If it's only the mother, especially if we're dealing with sons here, if it's only the mother
00:37:51.100
that takes their sons to church, those kids are almost never likely to continue church going.
00:37:58.580
If it's the father that takes them, especially if the father takes them by his kids, his sons,
00:38:05.040
by himself, that is factors higher, that those kids, especially boys, will continue active church going.
00:38:16.240
That is one of the most underappreciated but essential facts that I could identify to do with church going
00:38:25.060
If you are religious parents, Christian parents, and you want your sons, especially sons, to continue church
00:38:34.740
practice as adults when they're living by themselves, it has to be the father that takes them to church on Sunday.
00:38:48.500
Yeah, I mean, you're bringing up the thorniest part of this and the most difficult because not only, you're right,
00:38:57.780
it's more among young men and there's been many studies and new stories about how young women in general
00:39:04.620
are becoming more left-wing and that's a real problem for obvious reasons.
00:39:11.160
And not only that, even if that stopped and young women, and I mean, I know anecdotally young women who are
00:39:20.960
turning toward the church and specifically the, like you say, accepting of the patriarchal dynamic of
00:39:37.280
I don't know how three generations of liberalism can be undone in terms of how women and men
00:39:49.720
And I personally, being a very secular person, being a very modern person, I grew up in a
00:39:54.340
liberal, secular world, I don't, I don't, I can't quite see how we can return to the old
00:40:03.240
And I understand that, you know, a true return to God hinges on that point.
00:40:09.180
So that has to be worked out and it's going to be worked out individual to individual,
00:40:13.880
you know, young man to young woman, family to family.
00:40:17.960
And, you know, I can't really opine on, you know, how that's going to, how that's going to happen.
00:40:23.700
But I actually will say this, which I can opine on,
00:40:26.600
because it's very common to see in social media and even in news stories.
00:40:31.240
I think the Washington, sorry, the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times both publish
00:40:36.860
Women, you know, successful, liberal, secular career women lamenting the fact that they can't
00:40:44.920
And I think the, you know, for young people, the dating world is very grim right now.
00:40:50.340
And I can see that driving women to at least consider the more traditional options.
00:41:00.200
And I know you're going to be diving into these things more in that podcast that you're
00:41:05.680
And as I say, we'll give out the pointers for that at the end of the show.
00:41:09.360
So let's get back over to Frank now, because here's a story.
00:41:13.420
Here's a story, Frank, that it's the McDaddy right now, the leading article on Canon 212,
00:41:24.780
This is a post that Eric Sammons has put out, who's the editor of Crisis Magazine.
00:41:30.260
He's been on the show quite a few times with Steve.
00:41:34.980
And he says this, let me just read this out and then you give me your take on this.
00:41:41.520
I think that traditionalists who argue that Pope Leo is worse than Francis because he
00:41:47.180
just puts a traditional veneer on post-conciliar problems don't realise how vital a traditional
00:41:54.920
veneer is to overcoming those post-conciliar problems.
00:41:59.860
And you quite cleverly entitled this on your website that it's not even a veneer, basically.
00:42:07.920
But tell me first, before you break it down, tell me, just in your own words, what he's
00:42:15.820
saying at the point that he's trying to make, and then we'll analyse it.
00:42:20.620
Well, I think it's kind of a personal defence of his campaign and the people like him and
00:42:27.860
the more powerful Catholic media and what they're trying to accomplish.
00:42:35.340
But it shows who is actually paying the bills in the Catholic press, because those people
00:42:44.880
are not necessarily the friends of Catholicism.
00:42:47.240
Just like Jenny was saying, the elites in running the church, they don't really have the Catholic
00:42:52.980
This, they think, those elites, they think of our faith or faithful Catholics as being
00:43:02.880
But we like the smells and bells, they always like to say.
00:43:06.780
We're going to be happy with just the Mass in and of itself.
00:43:10.260
But, you know, it's not, those things are meaningful to God, what happens in Mass.
00:43:19.220
They think they can push the things that they see when they look at the Catholic Mass.
00:43:23.020
And they see this Leo's Corpus Christi event that he held this weekend.
00:43:27.020
They went back perusing through old pictures of Catholic popes in the past so they could
00:43:33.980
While he goes up there and he keeps spouting his same liberalism and really anti-Catholic
00:43:43.980
I think that that's what's represented in the head of Crisis Mag's post here.
00:43:49.920
They think that we're that shallow that we're going to buy this.
00:44:01.980
This goes back to something that, you know, I try to get this into every show that we do,
00:44:10.420
But this expression, because I like it so much because it captures exactly where I'm coming
00:44:16.440
But when I hear the words Red Mozzetta, I reach for my gun.
00:44:20.660
Um, which is a play on, on, on, um, uh, on, on something that, um, that was, um, which,
00:44:32.300
which that was Field Marshal, um, blimey, the names fled from, from my, from, from my
00:44:42.060
Um, when I hear the words attributed to him, when I hear the word culture, I reach for my
00:44:47.020
Um, when I hear the words Red Mozzetta, I reach for my gun because I know exactly the pitch
00:44:51.800
that they're going to do, which is basically just allow yourself to be persuaded and deceived
00:45:03.880
This, you know what, you know, you know what we used to call this in the UK, Frank?
00:45:21.320
And these guys here have salvation by haberdashery.
00:45:24.160
It's what's all, all the only important thing is, is what you wear, um, and then all will
00:45:30.380
Um, and I was astonished because Crisis Magazine is, um, a huge magazine in the Catholic world.
00:45:36.420
Um, um, it is on the, certainly on the right of the, on the conservative side, not the traditionalist
00:45:47.100
I was surprised to see the editor come out and say this.
00:45:55.900
This is actually what they were believing out there, but I was surprised to see them
00:46:13.180
And if you can, if you feel yourself, um, open to it, what can good conservative evangelicals
00:46:23.640
Because it's the same phenomenon taking place, I think, uh, change a few of the variables,
00:46:28.860
but it's the same sort of dynamic that is taking place, um, also in, in the Protestant
00:46:33.920
sphere to be satisfied, be bought off with the superficials, but let the underlying substance
00:46:40.540
So just give me a minute on what your solution would be to this in both Catholic and Protestant
00:46:48.760
As, as you can see, there's, um, in the poll, I don't, I don't think there's a whole bunch
00:46:53.940
of people that are not being represented in this fake press.
00:46:57.600
And it's the same problem, like you mentioned last week with the Baptists.
00:47:00.320
And, and I remember Liz, you were saying leadership is what's needed and our community needs leadership.
00:47:06.500
And like Jenny is saying with the males, the men in the church, and how are we going to
00:47:11.560
solve the problem of years of decades of feminism?
00:47:14.660
Prayer and, and, uh, and the, the, the more masculine mass, which is the, the, the more
00:47:21.440
faithful masses that you can attend, those things can help a lot too.
00:47:25.220
But I, I'm glad to see that the, um, the story is starting to get out and, and whatever happens
00:47:30.220
in the Catholic church that our Protestant, uh, brothers, they look to the Catholic church.
00:47:35.700
They, in the past, they can look to us to stand up for things.
00:47:41.200
Oh, it's going the same way as everything else.
00:47:43.080
But I think that together, you know, we share actual, um, we take action, you know, we're,
00:47:49.420
we're the, the faithful Protestants and the faithful Catholics have a political force.
00:47:54.700
And if we have leadership, we can accomplish things together.
00:47:57.360
So I think they should learn that we, we need to, we need to come out from under this, uh,
00:48:01.800
this big blanket that they're throwing over our heads and the, and the Catholic media and
00:48:06.160
the hierarchy, the hierarchy and the, and the regular mass is so effeminate.
00:48:10.960
It's repulsive to people, to men and people that actually want to take action and solve
00:48:16.300
It's, you know, it's like you, you mentioned the Nazis.
00:48:18.400
It's like we live in this Nazi planet and we have no way to get out from under it, but
00:48:34.400
Jenny, look, can you just give me like 90 seconds on this story from Matlock, um, in the UK
00:48:41.160
Um, because I think this is just an indication of what Christians can achieve in the public
00:48:51.040
Well, a small town, um, in Northern England, um, has a pride, had a pride flag hanging alongside
00:49:00.180
And the owner or, or, uh, someone in the Christian bookshop outside where the flag was hanging complained
00:49:06.640
to the council and the council took down the flag.
00:49:10.580
Um, now I would be very curious to see what kind of, uh, blowback is going to befall this
00:49:17.220
little Christian bookshop, um, for the crime, the heretical crime of complaining about the
00:49:24.140
flag, the pride flag, which is akin to the new religion in the United Kingdom.
00:49:38.620
As the young people say, there is a vibe shift.
00:49:45.800
Look, um, you mean, we mentioned earlier your podcast, uh, and the sub stack, um, um, analysis.
00:49:52.660
Just give us a, uh, a quick account of where people to can go to keep up with your analysis
00:49:58.880
I'll say just again, Jenny, the reason I love having you on this show as someone who is not
00:50:08.140
You do pray the rosary every day, uh, and you're very proud and open of talking about the
00:50:15.460
Uh, so where do people go to keep your input with your analysis on, on these, these developments?
00:50:21.860
Uh, the best place is Jenny E. Holland dot sub stack.
00:50:26.040
Um, and also on the notes app, which is the sub stack social media network platform.
00:50:35.560
And that's, um, and for the, um, and for the podcast, uh, it will be there as well.
00:50:48.660
And, uh, God willing, we'll catch up with you again at 6 PM next Wednesday.
00:51:00.140
Um, I very much, uh, strongly encourage people to check out your Canon 212 website.
00:51:08.280
Look, next, next week, week, you might just give a few words and say what Canon 212 actually
00:51:12.640
is, uh, what the code of Canon law is to put some context behind this.
00:51:18.700
And, and can I ask you now, will you put the links that we hit today, the articles we
00:51:23.000
Would you mind, would you be so kind, um, to put them up on your website so that people
00:51:27.200
can go to that, uh, to, to, to read more, um, and, and be better informed?
00:51:43.580
And you can find the, uh, the daily update video on, um, Rumble and at Gloria TV and at
00:51:56.020
It's also a link that can, there's a couple places where you can see the daily update
00:52:01.460
Just goes through the news articles of that day.
00:52:06.340
I'll say you need, you need to tap out folks that the Canon 212.com in full because the
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