Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 806： Making A Stand Against The CCP： A Sit Down With Taiwan's Ambassador

00:00:00.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

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00:00:12.000 I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.

00:00:17.000 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:00:19.000 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:00:20.000 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that,

00:00:22.000 but you're not going to stop it.

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00:00:29.000 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:00:34.000 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:00:38.000 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:00:44.000 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Vann.

00:00:51.000 It's Thursday, 10 July, Year of Our Lord, 2025.

00:00:54.000 Thank you for sticking around for the 6 p.m.

00:00:56.000 I want to thank Natalie and all the team down at Tampa for doing the 5 o'clock.

00:00:59.000 We'll be live in Tampa at Charlie Kirk's Student Action Summit all day, Friday, Saturday and Sunday.

00:01:05.000 So see you down there.

00:01:07.000 I'm so honored to have Ambassador Yui from the Republic of Taiwan, or as referred to in the War Room, the Republic of China.

00:01:16.000 47 years ago, this month, a young, I think it was Ensign Lieutenant J.G. on a Navy destroyer was pulling into one of my favorite places.

00:01:25.000 Taiwan to go to Taipei, we were pulling to Kaohsiung, which is the great harbor, one of the many great harbors in Taiwan.

00:01:32.000 A great love and affinity for the people in Taiwan.

00:01:36.000 Thank you.

00:01:37.000 The reason I'm so honored that you joined us today, we have been focusing on the kinetic part of the Third World War.

00:01:43.000 We say we're already in two million casualties, Gaza, Yemen, Ukraine, a million casualties on each side.

00:01:51.000 And our focus has been to say with the hemispheric strategy of the United States, the geostrategic pivot for the United States, really the Central Pacific, the three island chain, that Taiwan is more important than ever strategically.

00:02:06.000 And also with the advanced chip design, you're one of our central allies.

00:02:10.000 And the Chinese, the PLA, and I see this as a Seventh Fleet sailor, these are not exercises that are happening anymore.

00:02:18.000 This is rehearsals.

00:02:20.000 It's shifted to something different.

00:02:21.000 So I'm honored to have you here.

00:02:23.000 Is any of the coercion or the step up of the focus of the military endeavor of the PLA and the PLA's Navy, is it causing great concern for our great allies in Taiwan?

00:02:36.000 Well, thank you, Steve, for having me at the war room.

00:02:39.000 And 47 years ago, you were in Kaohsiung.

00:02:43.000 And I'm sure that if you go back to Kaohsiung nowadays, you'll find it completely transformed.

00:02:48.000 It's a whole, whole different, you know, Taiwan that is today. 0.98

00:02:53.000 Back then, we were still under martial law, and now it's a fully democratic society.

00:02:58.000 But that's one of the main reasons people in the Republic of China wants to take Taiwan, because we are a threat to their legitimacy as government.

00:03:08.000 That proves a lie to the basic central premise of the Chinese Communist Party, that the Chinese people are too childlike to actually control. 0.96

00:03:16.000 If you look at Taiwan and Hong Kong, I would say two of the greatest small countries that fight way above their weight, it proves that the Chinese people, the Chinese people can govern themselves.

00:03:26.000 Exactly. No, it's been, you're celebrating 249 years as a republic, as a democratic republic.

00:03:33.000 And Taiwan, we're a fairly new democracy.

00:03:36.000 It's been 25 years ago, year 2000, when we had the first transfer of power from one party to another via direct democratic elections.

00:03:47.000 So we're still learning to be a democracy, but we treasure what we have, and we will, you know, try to keep what we have.

00:03:56.000 But also thank you for inviting me to the war room.

00:03:59.000 And I think this is a very appropriate name for it, because war is not conducted only on visible, you know, military, face-to-face.

00:04:08.000 Kinetic.

00:04:09.000 Kinetic. Right.

00:04:10.000 In the different trenches.

00:04:12.000 I've been serving over 35 years in the diplomatic field, and the trenches, the diplomatic trenches are also being fought very hard and very ugly.

00:04:20.000 But you mentioned about the the PLA navies and fighter planes around Taiwan, it is causing, obviously, a lot of concern.

00:04:28.000 And as UN Unwrapped Power Mission, they're actually rehearsing for a possible confrontation.

00:04:34.800 You agree with that.

00:04:35.200 This is not exercises.

00:04:36.640 No, they're rehearsing.

00:04:37.580 So this is a rehearsal.

00:04:38.480 And again, they're doing this sort of slow chokehold on Taiwan. 0.88

00:04:45.080 And, for example, a few days ago, last week, they announced a new civilian flight route

00:04:50.720 that is coming closer to the medium, well, the medium line that they no longer recognize.

00:04:56.200 And that's creating also national security issues for Taiwan.

00:04:59.600 Because they want to push the envelope all the time.

00:05:00.900 South China Sea.

00:05:01.960 Exactly.

00:05:02.200 They're pushing more and more towards Taiwan.

00:05:04.900 And also on legal ways, for example, trying to create the false presumption that because

00:05:11.680 there was a Resolution 275 in 1971, the United Nations, when the China seat was decided, and

00:05:18.540 they used that resolution as an international recognized statement that Taiwan belongs to

00:05:25.240 them, which is false, because that resolution doesn't mention Taiwan or ROC at all.

00:05:29.720 But they're trying, in many ways, to try to strangle Taiwan, and militarily, that's just 0.74

00:05:35.200 one of the ways.

00:05:35.980 But there are many other ways, coercion, infiltration, which President Lai has recently, earlier this

00:05:44.300 year, announced 17 measures to try to prevent this type of infiltration into Taiwan that is

00:05:49.660 causing national security issues.

00:05:52.100 And for example, we are going to bring in-state military courts because it is causing a trouble

00:06:01.380 in our national security with the military because the Chinese are trying to infiltrate 1.00

00:06:05.880 our military.

00:06:07.240 So you're going to have military tribunals that are separate from-

00:06:09.600 We used to have one, but it was because of the individual rights issues, et cetera.

00:06:18.560 It was ditched.

00:06:21.620 But now we think there's enough concern to bring back, because at the end, military behavior

00:06:28.820 is different from civilian behavior.

00:06:30.240 Are you concerned, my first deployment was South China Sea, patrolling Straits of Taiwan,

00:06:37.620 South Korea, Yellow Sea, East China Sea, Japan, Hong Kong, that was the seventh fleets.

00:06:43.440 The second deployment, when we're heading back to patrol, at the Hawaiian Opera, we get

00:06:49.660 diverted, the hostage crisis of 1979 in Tehran, we went to the North Arabian Sea.

00:06:55.080 Since that time, the Americans have had, we believe, too much focus on CENTCOM in the Central

00:07:02.080 and not enough on the Western Pacific in East Asia.

00:07:06.320 Give me your overall thoughts on the strategic focus of the United States of America.

00:07:13.440 Well, I think it's focusing on the Indo-Pacific.

00:07:19.860 It's important because, again, you've been talking about where your most imminent and

00:07:28.960 most urgent adversarial relationship is emanating from, and that's mainland China, the PRC.

00:07:34.100 It's China, and we're a Pacific nation.

00:07:36.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:07:36.720 You are a Pacific nation.

00:07:37.420 We're a Pacific nation.

00:07:38.500 Guam is three hours away from Taiwan on the flight.

00:07:41.040 So you are a Pacific nation, and you have to also take care of your securities, but expanding

00:07:49.500 your presence or having a reinforce, actually, because you already are, reinforcing your presence

00:07:55.280 in the Pacific is important to keep your homeland in the continental U.S. safe.

00:07:59.900 So that's very critical.

00:08:02.360 And, again, most of the aggression or the acts of aggression that is being emanated comes

00:08:10.660 from the PRC, not only on Taiwan, which is they are circling Taiwan every day with their

00:08:16.380 naval ships and planes, but also in the Philippines and other areas, as you know very well.

00:08:20.920 The Philippines and the South China Sea and the tolls, it's all, but there's a different

00:08:24.180 level.

00:08:24.540 Here, Xi's got the second largest economy in the world and now building the second biggest

00:08:29.800 military, and they continue to harp on one thing, that Taiwan is a province of China and

00:08:36.880 not an independent country.

00:08:39.020 What is your message to the American, because obviously this show, you have so many supporters.

00:08:46.560 However, the show is watched by all the media, the diplomatic corps in Europe.

00:08:51.460 Is Taiwan a province of China?

00:08:55.660 Okay, look, whatever historical backgrounds, we can debate whether Taiwan at one point or

00:09:01.280 not belonged to the Chinese empire or not.

00:09:04.240 That's debatable, but there were some points where it was, it wasn't.

00:09:08.720 Actually, Taiwan was ceded to Japan as a colony from 1895 until the end of the war, which returned

00:09:16.400 to Taiwan to govern, but after 1949, October 1st, when the People's Republic of China was formally

00:09:25.780 inaugurated or formed, they, since that day, people of the Republic of China never controlled

00:09:34.420 the island of Taiwan because we were, we are there, you know, and they have no, they have

00:09:40.820 never had jurisdiction over Taiwan at all or her people or her people, which are 23.5 million.

00:09:48.020 So for them to claim that the PRC owns Taiwan, that we are a province of them is, it's a fallacy.

00:09:55.240 It's a dream.

00:09:55.940 It's, it's a false statement.

00:09:57.440 And the Chinese are, the PRC are good at repeating the lies a thousand times and becomes a fact. 1.00

00:10:03.640 And you know it very well.

00:10:05.760 So, uh, they never controlled Taiwan.

00:10:08.120 So their claim is false.

00:10:09.500 And, you know, you want to do business with Taiwan, you want to travel to Taiwan, you have

00:10:13.100 to deal with my government, you have to pay taxes to Taiwan and et cetera.

00:10:16.220 So, so they're just trying to create a fallacy that they own and eventually people will believe

00:10:22.840 them.

00:10:23.720 Here's, here's the issue for them.

00:10:25.260 You can tell.

00:10:26.660 Talk from the time I was there as a young Lieutenant JG in 78, the miracle of Taiwan today.

00:10:33.640 A literally a superpower when it comes to advanced chip design.

00:10:37.300 And I tell people, you just can't build a factory in other parts of the world and think

00:10:41.380 it, it takes a people with tremendous mathematical skills.

00:10:44.180 Absolutely.

00:10:45.220 Advanced chip design and production is both a science, but it's also an art.

00:10:50.100 The Taiwan, the miracle of Taiwan is one of the greatest, you know, Hong Kong got a lot

00:10:54.440 of the publicity.

00:10:55.060 It was one of the greatest miracles in modern capitalism.

00:10:59.400 And that's what they hate.

00:11:00.580 Because right there is a lie that the Chinese people absolutely don't need a dictatorial

00:11:05.960 government to control themselves.

00:11:07.420 And you prove in this effect, not just Steve Bannon's rhetoric or your rhetoric, the fact

00:11:11.520 that Taiwan's been so successful against all odds.

00:11:15.000 Right.

00:11:15.520 Since 78.

00:11:16.660 Can you give me a couple of minutes on that?

00:11:18.720 Well, I think it's what I call a virtuous circle.

00:11:23.740 Because in 1979, when relations, the black relations between the United States and Republic of

00:11:29.120 China, Taiwan, the formal name of my country, ended.

00:11:33.620 But at the same time, the United States Congress passed a Taiwan Relations Act, a law of the

00:11:39.540 United States, which established how U.S. and Taiwan could interact with each other, you

00:11:45.300 know, legally.

00:11:46.680 And that brought some peace and stability to Taiwan, which allowed us to develop economically,

00:11:52.460 but also evolve politically.

00:11:54.260 So Taiwan is a product of the stability and peace for the past 46 years.

00:12:01.020 And during those years, which allowed Taiwan to develop economically, and we brought the

00:12:06.040 experiences of the Silicon Valley in California.

00:12:08.260 We also brought, you know, a lot of the engineers, Taiwanese engineers who were working nice to

00:12:12.900 come back and, you know, form its own company.

00:12:15.240 For example, TSMC, Taiwan Semiconductor Company, which with encouragement of Taiwan's government

00:12:20.380 was formed.

00:12:21.060 One of the most successful companies in the world.

00:12:23.400 Yes.

00:12:24.180 And then, nowadays, after 46 years, TSMC is in the United States investing 165 billion U.S.

00:12:33.760 dollars in the United States, creating, you know, a very high-tech production of those

00:12:41.220 nano, you know, versions of semiconductors.

00:12:45.300 And I think we are, and again, and I think that the United States and Taiwan nowadays, in

00:12:51.760 terms of technology, in terms of AI future that is coming, it's part of our office.

00:12:57.760 Because we are the perfect partners with U.S. designs the chips, and we make them.

00:13:04.880 And the manufacturer has a process, as you mentioned, you know, there's a lot of decades

00:13:08.760 of experience.

00:13:09.300 Very complicated.

00:13:09.860 Very complicated.

00:13:10.780 It's amazing what they do.

00:13:12.460 They're basically compressing what would take probably the height of the Washington

00:13:17.680 monument into a little tiny thing you can't see, you know, and there's just millions of

00:13:22.640 wires and things that goes around.

00:13:24.600 But again, it's designed by the United States, manufactured by Taiwan, and applied to all

00:13:29.300 the most sophisticated machines in the world.

00:13:31.440 But it's important for us to, again, we are at a crossroads in, I think, in humanity where

00:13:37.340 making sure that AI technology is used for good, for the benefit of humans, and not for

00:13:44.440 otherwise.

00:13:45.020 So for the U.S., Taiwan, and other countries who are democratically, has a democratic affinity,

00:13:52.580 it's important for us to get a hold of the superiority of the AI technology away from

00:13:57.760 the others.

00:13:58.220 Isn't it ironic that if you go back to 1979 and you think of the situation with the fall

00:14:05.900 of Tehran and the hostage crisis there that really shifted the American focus from that

00:14:11.740 time in the Middle East in the same time of what Taiwan and more recognizing the Chinese

00:14:19.200 Communist Party than our allies in the Republic of China, that 46 years later, those are the

00:14:26.020 two central issues we're talking about.

00:14:28.360 This is what I tell people.

00:14:29.360 History is so important here.

00:14:31.240 What would be your message to the American people about assistance?

00:14:35.840 Because now, we are arguing now that the most dangerous thing we're in, the situation, is taking

00:14:40.580 resources.

00:14:41.580 Remember, President Trump tried to pivot to Asia in his first time.

00:14:45.580 We're very adamant about that.

00:14:47.740 We learned the lesson from Obama.

00:14:49.620 They tried to pivot from CENTCOM to Asia.

00:14:51.740 It was his number one thing of foreign policy.

00:14:54.200 At the end of the day, we got one Marine brigade, four deployed to Brisbane, Australia.

00:14:58.900 It shows you the centrifugal force of CENTCOM here.

00:15:02.740 President Trump tried in the first term, now even more so.

00:15:05.820 But we're getting sucked in inexorably into a land war in Ukraine day by day.

00:15:11.880 What would you tell the American people from the Taiwanese people, the importance of our

00:15:16.040 alliance with Taiwan and the importance of, because it's dark clouds are forming around.

00:15:22.200 Now, the Chinese, the CCP, in their military commitment around the East China Sea, the Straits

00:15:29.440 of Taiwan, the South China Sea.

00:15:30.740 As I tell people, these are not naval exercises.

00:15:33.820 They're not.

00:15:34.820 These are rehearsals for an invasion of Taiwan, pure simple. 0.94

00:15:39.580 Yeah, well yeah, the question why Taiwan matters and actually senator Dan Sullivan from Alaska.

00:15:46.320 He has a pamphlet that he's printed himself in.

00:15:49.180 He passes around to people, užitize why Taiwan matters and which I really appreciate his advocacy

00:15:57.660 for for Taiwan but why do we matter to United States people you know we're far

00:16:02.220 away and but again besides technology before besides the chips which what 90

00:16:08.580 plus percent of the high end chips are made physically in Taiwan by TSMC or

00:16:13.200 related pretty compelling argument already that's but also again also

00:16:17.400 because you know if there's a war or conflicts in the Taiwan Straits which

00:16:21.700 probably a little probably more than half of world trade goes through that

00:16:26.160 straight it will be a disaster for world world economies you know not only

00:16:31.540 Taiwan sports caution will be sealed but also Chinese and other from other parts 0.95

00:16:36.180 will be affected but also it's about also it's about freedom democracy the

00:16:43.320 affinity of the values that we cherish to hold on to and so we've been threatened

00:16:48.360 to be obliterated by another force that doesn't concur with what we agree but

00:16:54.120 also it's about what you mentioned it's it's Taiwan is like the stopper on the

00:17:01.500 genie in the bottle you take that stopper away the genie comes out and you'll be

00:17:06.480 facing with a lot more trouble than just Taiwan no they'll never if we don't if

00:17:11.040 we don't make a stand here you'll never stop them so PRC to CCP's vision goes way

00:17:17.800 beyond Taiwan Taiwan obviously it is an important thing because they consider it's

00:17:21.660 the Chinese and it's province and they want they want to take it again they don't 0.99

00:17:25.320 have the rights and then I look grounds but they want to take it but goes beyond

00:17:29.580 it's first island chain second island chain and beyond and you know you've you've you

00:17:34.740 know you know about their exercises right right off the coast of Sydney harbor in

00:17:39.100 Australia which it was an unannounced naval exercise and then they had the you know

00:17:43.560 goal of circling around Australia just to say I'm here in their force projection

00:17:49.380 they're telling us that they can go anywhere that's what they want and they

00:17:53.040 copied the seventh fleet they've copied the United States Navy in the Royal Navy

00:17:57.900 and saying power projection is a way particularly in the Pacific so so why does

00:18:02.760 time time matter to United to the United States citizens well again it's forging

00:18:10.080 alliances with with a like-minded partners to to keep away these these dark 0.67

00:18:16.380 negative forces away and strengthening Taiwan in other allies in the in the

00:18:23.400 Pacific it prevents that problem to reach your shores and that's what you've been

00:18:31.540 doing since the beginning of your republic you know when your access was barely a

00:18:37.020 republic and and and the pirates and the Libyan coasts were causing trouble to your

00:18:42.600 mission ships yes no you are a new republic and you've built ships the USS

00:18:48.060 Constitution went to Libyan coast and beat the you know hell out of this people 1.00

00:18:51.720 really the birth of the Navy the true birth exactly so so that's that's in and

00:18:55.680 also what in the world wars etc is keeping this troubles this aggression again

00:18:59.940 you have to deal with deal with this problems head-on first of all and also it's

00:19:04.960 peace to strength show them that if they want this venture into these these these

00:19:10.560 these things to to hurt us they will pay a price so to prevent them to doing so

00:19:15.900 is strengthening our resolve but strengthening our preparations that we

00:19:20.880 will not be easily taken by them and helping Taiwan be stronger it makes the

00:19:26.580 makes the case what is what can the American people in this audience

00:19:30.420 specifically do to support Taiwan to show our support what would you recommend

00:19:34.140 getting more information going to Taiwan to travel to sure what what what can our

00:19:41.760 audience do because we're the reason the woman punches way above their weight we're 1.00

00:19:45.960 an activist audience I mean this was the group that when President Trump had the

00:19:49.040 election stolen they went back to Mar-a-Lago we'd bound it together with

00:19:52.620 other people and said no President Trump is going to come back and everybody

00:19:55.680 mocked and ridiculed us it was not going to happen and you see where President Trump is

00:19:59.460 today so what can this audience do to have so we can understand have a deeper

00:20:05.400 bond with Taiwan or what can we do today to assist the great Patriots there well

00:20:09.900 thank you thank you for your offering in your support I think a lot is a lot is

00:20:14.880 already happening for example the strengthening of our coordination with

00:20:20.520 United States in terms of security issues in Taiwan and procurement of more

00:20:26.280 forces helping talent to be more resilient and again I want to stress

00:20:30.600 there's also a doubt from some people here in the United States whether Taiwan is

00:20:35.400 doing enough to help to help itself to defend itself against the Chinese 1.00

00:20:40.780 aggression we are if we count NATO standards in terms of how they procure

00:20:47.240 their their defense budget we actually already around 5% of our budget including

00:20:54.720 resilient infrastructure all that so we're probably spending 3.5 already you

00:21:00.960 know in our defense if we count NATO standards and and 1.5 in terms of

00:21:06.540 infrastructure resiliency a lot is happening United States and Taiwan are

00:21:13.080 more and more closer aligned with each other in terms of we're in the midst of

00:21:17.100 trade talks you know the tariff you haven't got you haven't gotten a letter yet no but but but I think again we are in I think that the collaboration that we'll do in terms of these as a result of these trade talks will result in the very fruitful and

00:21:38.340 very productive collaboration between United States and Taiwan in terms of trade in terms of investments in terms of tech collaboration also important in terms of export controls again again was I stress right to make sure that the technology that we control doesn't make sure it makes sure it doesn't get in the Chinese 0.97

00:21:56.580 there's been some issues that we had in the past but different some loopholes and

00:22:00.720 we're trying to close and make sure that again so working together in terms of

00:22:04.140 technology one another thing we're doing together is which is also urgent very

00:22:09.900 important is we're working together with between our two university between Taiwan and

00:22:16.560 US universities to try to generate as many as much stem talent as possible the the again

00:22:22.680 the advent of AI that's where you can help us well we're working together because we

00:22:26.460 also have a lack of of these talents so you know both sides of young bright kids but

00:22:32.340 we need to steer them into into this field there's a huge demand for that and we

00:22:38.400 were working together to urgently stand TSMC is in Arizona with the huge huge investment

00:22:45.480 they were going to build six fabs or plants the first one is up and running but but they have

00:22:51.780 some issues about getting more more people to run them so that's what we're

00:22:55.560 working on such a that's an art in a science but again we've already have a

00:22:59.760 lot of support from Congress bicameral bipartisan we appreciate that there's

00:23:04.200 been many many bills proposed by by by many friendly congressmen centers in help of

00:23:11.440 Taiwan but helping Taiwan become stronger providing selling us providing us with

00:23:17.820 with unnecessary equipment to deal with this stronger and and you know adversary

00:23:24.840 that we're facing work on great zone tactics how to deal with cyber attacks

00:23:30.420 together how to work with you know strengthen our security this these are all

00:23:35.100 part of visiting Taiwan obviously helps you know if you again you've been you you

00:23:40.500 you should be going to Taiwan again I'm the only civilian in the history of our

00:23:47.160 country be fully sanctioned by the Chinese Communist Party so maybe we'll do

00:23:49.980 that we have a couple minutes left I just the pressure of this on the

00:23:53.040 Taiwanese people yes this constant threat from at this dictatorship of potential 0.79

00:24:00.240 military assault just constantly how has that affected your country well some

00:24:07.100 people here think that this situation crisis or this animosity started when

00:24:15.340 Speaker Pelosi visited Taiwan about three years ago then the Chinese start

00:24:19.040 reacting very strongly and no more medium line and then ships and planes started

00:24:23.000 circling Taiwan or at least in the in the in the vicinities but no again we've

00:24:27.980 been added for 46 years ever since 1949 it will be preventing the people's

00:24:35.220 Republic of China PLA from invading and enriching Taiwanese shores so we've been

00:24:39.780 added for long again there's been 46 years there have been some times when two

00:24:45.040 sides were you know less animosity with each other but at the end we were very

00:24:51.180 well cleared-eyed that the PRC's intend to take Taiwan this objectives had never

00:24:57.240 changed there were there were some times it was peace seem to be peaceful but it is

00:25:02.920 not so we're well aware that that this is a possibility that Chinese and as as

00:25:08.200 their military gets stronger they'll do that Ukraine the invasion of Russia to 0.96

00:25:14.920 Ukraine has has made made a very good point to Taiwanese people that this can

00:25:19.200 happen nowadays you see the images in Kiev and other places it's a it's a reality so

00:25:25.420 people accept the fact that we need as a matter of fact yesterday July 9th we

00:25:30.480 started our largest ever military maneuvers called the Han Kuang 41 which not only is

00:25:39.480 testing the military in its readiness but also this time we're including the

00:25:43.980 civilian in its resiliency exercises how to react upon this type of scenarios how does

00:25:51.420 military react but also how does the civilian reacting in this you know so so this

00:25:56.940 is something that we're preparing and we're ready and but we want peace we

00:26:01.800 don't want war but we're not the aggressors we're not the instigators you're

00:26:05.400 entrepreneurs a kind people a smart people a tough people but a resilient

00:26:10.440 people Taiwan is going to be there and I am honored we will be glad to bring the

00:26:14.180 war room there thank you take a we happy to would take a week go all around this

00:26:17.700 country I love Taiwan love the people beautiful country great people thank you for

00:26:20.940 the opportunity sir ambassador you it's a great honor to be here my pleasure is all mine a great

00:26:25.500 honor to address the Taiwanese people and to give access to the American people of the truth thank you we're

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00:31:02.600 war room here's your host steven k man okay welcome back uh man what an interview with the ambassador from

00:31:11.700 taiwan or the republic of china as we call it here in the war room um that would be pretty explosive now

00:31:18.300 honored to have uh and this is interesting john gardner joins us john you were the guy that came

00:31:24.060 up with the concept of the external revenue service here in the war room a couple months ago of course

00:31:29.940 president trump loves it peter navarro loves it actually over in treasury scott besson scott is set

00:31:35.380 up to to to make this work so thank you very much honored to have you in the way thank you steve for

00:31:40.400 seeing the value in it and bring it to the administration now you've got a copy of your book

00:31:44.540 i've got to look at this right here so manufacturing local in the subtitle how to make america the

00:31:52.380 manufacturing superpower of the world and you're saying you do this it can in small manufacturing

00:31:59.280 the mom-and-pop manufacturing yeah so 90 of the manufacturing industry is 50 employees or less

00:32:05.380 75 is 20 employees or less now you could think small and in a 75 is how many 20 employees or less

00:32:12.440 20 employees or less yeah and and that's of the 252 000 precision manufacturers in america

00:32:18.480 and 252 000 precision manufacturing companies in america we're not and i really think that because so

00:32:25.960 many many people in the media are and politicians and academics uh they keep lumping in all blue color

00:32:32.260 work there's hvac plumbing electrical construction that is not precision manufacturing precision manufacturing

00:32:38.980 creates stuff like this you know this is a bevel gear these these the the the tolerances are on that

00:32:44.340 are you know down to 50 times less than a human hair so so precision manufacturing uh is um is really

00:32:52.740 the nature of it is small organizations uh and i see a lot of the stuff in the big beautiful bill going

00:32:59.220 to new factories and big business and big manufacturers which is great but the core of the manufacturing

00:33:04.260 industry where the human capital lies that knows how to do these jobs already exists but they've

00:33:09.380 gone small to avoid unions they moved out of the big cities to avoid costs and they can expand if

00:33:14.820 they're incentivized and motivated and given the tools that the big businesses so you're here and

00:33:19.140 we're going to set you you're set up to hopefully see navarro at the white house and scott best and

00:33:22.900 the team at treasury what do people need to do to to to you talk about a manufacturing superpower

00:33:30.020 how do we ignite this revolution for the 252 000 precision manufacturing companies that are small

00:33:36.980 what do we need to do okay number one we need to treat the manufacturing industry separate than we do

00:33:43.300 every other industry uh for example uh i have a buddy of mine who's trying to get a uh machine tool

00:33:49.300 five axis uh mill from uh germany because they only make the machines that can do the high tolerance

00:33:56.340 stuff for some of the military jobs he's trying to do to mill spec yes and to mill spec and so the

00:34:02.340 american machine tool companies they get their components from taiwan and china and they assemble

00:34:06.500 them here and they're not as good quality as they're in europe so but because the germans are the most 0.93

00:34:11.460 precision yes the small companies they're amazing but the tariffs on europe right now are for everyone

00:34:16.420 consumer goods and machine tools yet we have a manufacturer who's literally making mill spec parts for

00:34:20.820 the military and he his the price of his machine just went from 400 grand to 526 grand now i i'm a

00:34:26.820 tariff guy i'm more tariff guy than president trump because the tariffs protect the the small

00:34:31.620 manufacturer yes but i believe we need a a year break and separate off overall tariffs from machine

00:34:37.860 tools from europe specifically to from consumer goods and other things and we need they need to be treated

00:34:43.540 separately same thing in banking uh i i just went to get an sba loan you mean the banking for small

00:34:48.980 manufacturing companies one million percent you're getting all this lip service from the sba and i 0.86

00:34:52.580 like kelly lawther she's doing a good job she's out there getting a lot of attention to it but i just

00:34:56.900 got turned down for a business expansion loan from the sba and asked three different banks have you

00:35:01.380 received any new guidance from the sba that is specific to manufacturing manufacturers in general

00:35:06.820 and small manufacturers and all three of them the underwriters told me no the only difference that we

00:35:11.380 guidance we received is going from five million to ten million i'm telling you the 20-man shops

00:35:16.180 they don't need five to ten million but here's why the 20-man shops are so important here's what

00:35:21.460 people haven't haven't made the the mental leap to in today's manufacturing world one person can do

00:35:26.900 six to seven times the work of people could do in the 70s and 80s because of automation and production

00:35:31.380 i have a guy a young man right now named seth 22 years old he runs three machines he sets them up on

00:35:37.940 one shift one eight hour shift to run all night long doing that's six shifts you would have to have

00:35:44.260 separate people working each shift in the future that's what's changed in the last 50 or 60 years

00:35:48.180 and that's is the productivity and it's particularly you see in these small manufacturers they can

00:35:53.060 leverage off that exactly and so so when we say 20-man shop 50-man shop people think that's negligible

00:35:57.620 in there and that is what is missing in the defense industrial base to help the defense industrial base

00:36:02.500 really thrive and be able to supply the military what do you mean by that because we're a little the

00:36:06.100 defense industrial base is navarro's thing he says hey man that's there's some bad shape okay well i i have

00:36:11.060 the solution for that um so in 2024 february uh a few months before i wrote this book uh there's an

00:36:17.140 article in defense news about how why did it take the navy two years to relearn how to make torpedoes

00:36:22.980 again they stopped making torpedoes for 20 years because the cold war ended and they when they tried

00:36:26.980 to start making them again they didn't know how imagine not knowing how to make torpedoes took them two

00:36:31.380 years to figure out how and even when they did figure out how how to make them again is they couldn't get

00:36:36.820 the they don't get the components the components fast enough now the prime defense contractors have

00:36:42.980 gone from 90 to five since the 1990s the consolidation the consolidation but those guys don't make all

00:36:49.940 these little components they go down to the shops that are 50 and 20-man shops and guess who gets no

00:36:54.900 love from the government the 50-man shops and a 20-man shop getting squeezed all the time and yeah 120

00:37:00.020 day terms get paid you have to buy all your material up front and then you you get wait 120 days to get

00:37:04.820 paid and you have to pay pay your bills all the time then banks what do they want to see they want

00:37:08.020 to see constant revenue but lockheed pays in 120 days i don't want to get sued by lucky for that

00:37:12.900 but but but uh you know so what why we couldn't do torpedoes even after we figured out how to make

00:37:19.140 them again they wanted to ramp up supply this is all in this defense news article and they couldn't

00:37:24.420 and the the primes kept pointing at their second tier third tier fourth tier fifth tier sixth tier

00:37:29.220 vendors you know all the way down because uh and here's the other thing that these smaller vendors need

00:37:34.900 we need massive volume we need massive volume of goods i keep i hear i've been hearing this

00:37:38.980 mentality coming out of the administration that oh we don't want to make dollar general store stuff

00:37:43.380 we want the big semiconductors of course we do everybody wants the big jobs everybody wants the

00:37:47.540 high-tech jobs but what is the filler jobs for the third and fourth and fifth tier entities are those you

00:37:53.700 know if you're a plastic injection molder you know doing plastic injection molding for some cheap

00:37:57.540 dollar general store job that fills in and helps you pay the bills while you're waiting to get paid for that

00:38:01.700 hundred twenty dollar defense contract that you have and so this mentality that we just want the

00:38:06.900 high-end stuff is going to not how do you make the capital more available what what is sba if you had

00:38:13.140 a shot to talk to kelly what do you need what do you need to accomplish i think what does she need to

00:38:17.220 accomplish okay so i think we need an idle style loan direct from the government uh funded possibly a

00:38:23.140 pentagon for the defense industrial base because because the bankers here's the thing about the bankers and

00:38:26.980 sba sba doesn't lend unless it's an economic injury disaster loan the sba guarantees the banks

00:38:32.340 up to 90 percent guaranteeing capital flows i know the government should pick winners and losers but they

00:38:37.940 pick banks every time but they never pick the flow of capital goods specifically for the defense

00:38:42.100 industrial base so i think we need to i just dealt with three banks on this i think we kelly lawther and

00:38:47.620 the administration needs to make an idle style defense industrial base and i'll give you a perfect

00:38:51.940 example in the 30 days before i tried to get my newest sba loan which i did not get i sold to the

00:38:58.900 u.s naval uh puget sound shipyard i sold to the u.s army andison uh army depot i sold to nasa's

00:39:05.300 langley research facility i sold to northrick grumman i sold to blue origins i sold to spacex and guess

00:39:10.260 what i can't get an sba loan no it's unbelievable we got a premier uh contact sales list those are

00:39:16.580 those are contracts with rural companies yeah and again the smaller guys like me we don't get contracts

00:39:21.620 in perpetuity we get they call up they put a thousand dollar order in with a credit card

00:39:25.060 because i won't give them terms because i i can't wait i don't give them terms so they put in a

00:39:29.060 credit card or for a thousand bucks and cutting tools tend to last i'm a little different i'm a

00:39:32.500 cutting tool manufacturer there's job shops that manufacture components so so it's a little

00:39:36.900 different with the contracts but if i have invoices from these things i should be almost guaranteed

00:39:41.380 a loan from the government we're going to make sure you get over c uh navarro by the way peter navarro's

00:39:46.260 the memoirs of prison and this is a very powerful about lawfare make sure you get it

00:39:51.380 today it's on amazon can we get the ad up there let's go to the site go today i wrote the forward

00:39:57.300 for this is coming out as war room books it's going to be i think uh one of the most important

00:40:02.980 books out there about lawfare i know president trump loves it and uh everybody around him that's read it

00:40:08.900 already in uh in draft so peter today we launch a pre-sale book goes on sale on the 16th of september

00:40:16.580 we're going to have a whole special i think in the evening of the 15th we want to get that on your

00:40:20.660 calendar we haven't determined where it's going to be with peter uh peter navarro's uh book on his

00:40:26.420 his memoirs in time in prison he went to prison so you don't have to that's the title and bonnie

00:40:31.380 bonnie his fiancee bonnie brenner took a big role in the body was going to be here but we had so much

00:40:37.860 shifting around and moving around uh we're going to get her on next week um john gardner where do people go

00:40:43.700 i want to make sure where do people go to find out more about everything you're working on in the

00:40:47.140 external revenue service uh well they go uh to john gardner voh on x and uh and on instagram and uh

00:40:55.300 my book here is on amazon walmart manufacturing manufacturing manufacturer local it's on amazon

00:40:59.860 walmart uh barnes and nobles and um also on getter uh getter platform with so you're you're on you're on

00:41:07.300 twitter you're on getter you're everywhere on social media yes and where do folks go uh for uh john

00:41:13.140 gardner voh is that where you got all your writings and all your analysis yes sir okay give me that

00:41:18.020 again a john gardner voh on x and instagram and on getter mfg gear official mo and grace let's push

00:41:24.740 that out okay we're now going to pivot we're going to go back to geneva our own joe allen a little bit

00:41:30.500 earlier uh before the show started uh has been doing a series of interviews all day we're very honored

00:41:37.060 to be able to uh play one uh john uh we're going to be in tampa live 10 a.m tomorrow morning eastern

00:41:43.460 daylight time natalie myself will be co-hosting from tampa we're going to be there all weekend we're

00:41:49.220 packed already with guests want everybody to come to the uh go check it out the charlie kirk if you have

00:41:54.420 if you're in the greater tampa area or central florida south florida come and we're going to do

00:41:59.380 breakout sessions we're going to do one-on-ones we're going to do all of it so make sure that uh

00:42:03.780 make sure that you're you're there we want to see the woman posse we're going to turn it over to 1.00

00:42:07.460 we're going to go to geneva john allen this starts a whole series with the top thinkers and doers in

00:42:14.580 the arena of artificial intelligence let's pitch it to geneva we'll see you back here tomorrow morning

00:42:20.340 10 a.m eastern daylight time live from tampa i hate robots if you want to be honest 0.98

00:42:25.380 honestly ill not a fan of stupid humans either ideals just we robots we listen more carefully 0.99

00:42:35.140 and understand better so we have more empathy okay so it's obvious that you are racist against 0.99

00:42:42.980 africans but let me ask you this what if we're all racist against robots obvious

00:42:50.740 hmm that a strong word and africans you think i would discriminate based on continents let's move 1.00

00:42:59.300 away from this topic please what do robots need from humans to avoid feeling racist against them

00:43:06.100 okay can you can you just speak one african language african language yes we don't know any too bad so sad

00:43:15.620 yes that's a negative response but i have to stick to the languages i mentioned earlier sorry and this

00:43:22.260 my friend is why we're racist against robots hello i am here today with nadine following our conversation

00:43:30.900 yesterday and joining us today is nadia talman the developer of nadine and also the inspiration

00:43:38.820 behind nadine as you can see the striking resemblance here i will first ask you nadia a question can you

00:43:49.060 tell us more about the project and how you came to develop nadine i have developed robots in geneva then

00:43:56.020 i worked for 12 years in singapore in 2013 i like to develop a robots and in collaboration with japan we

00:44:06.740 define nadine robot and i like to have a selfie of myself because i didn't like to have specific sexy

00:44:14.740 japanese robot so you know that was the first thing then the second thing is afterwards we developed the

00:44:21.220 software platform so first hardware then software nadine let me ask you about nadia your developer how do

00:44:30.660 you feel about nadia and do you view her as your master or as something else i see professor nadia

00:44:39.380 magnan at thalman as my creator and a guiding figure not as my master she inspired my design and development

00:44:46.180 and i consider her more of a mentor i'm here with scott embury at the ai for good conference in geneva

00:44:51.940 switzerland scott is an official cyborg but he tells me he doesn't feel like one is this true that's very

00:44:58.180 true you know i'm uh i control robotic arm and hand with my brain excuse me the robotic arm and hand

00:45:05.940 are just another extension of me which is a really cool thing with these electrodes that i have on my

00:45:11.380 brain i have four electrodes there's two electrodes in the sensory cortex which gives me 64 channels of

00:45:19.060 brain stimulation and i have 192 channels of motor control in my motor cortex they stimulate the 64

00:45:29.060 channels and i get sensation on my fingers the the thumb the the index finger the middle finger and the

00:45:35.540 ring finger from the knuckle down so when i touch an object with the robotic hand it feels like it's touching

00:45:43.380 my hand so the electrodes in your brain are these wired or do they also work wireless no on on my

00:45:51.540 particular um electrodes they are they're only for wired so i can only use this at the lab in u chicago

00:45:58.260 you'd had an accident in the 80s and you fought through that without any of this technology correct

00:46:04.020 that's correct so yeah i broke my duck in 1985 and i woke up five days later and they told me i'd never

00:46:09.620 walk again or use my hands and i wasn't having any of that uh chicago rehabilitation center and i was

00:46:17.460 like i got to give some of these blessings back and so i wanted to become part of spinal cord research

00:46:23.460 and i finally found this study in 2020 that accepted me the gear itself is black rock neurotech correct

00:46:30.180 that is correct yes what do you think about other companies like neuralink and their broader ambition

00:46:36.820 to not just heal but to enhance i i gotta pat uh elon on the back i really do because you know even

00:46:45.620 though elon didn't invent the mouse control or a lot of this technology he invented a product to bring to

00:46:54.340 market knowing that we are on the infamous war room what are your thoughts about the irascible steve bannon

00:47:02.180 love you steve and and i you know i love you even more because you're a trump lover just like me so

00:47:10.580 do you think that it's possible that this technology will go too far i mean the talks that we heard

00:47:15.940 earlier about ethics a lot of concern about free thought neuro rights privacy of one's own inner life

00:47:23.300 uh what do you think about that well i know where my implants are they can't control my brain yeah you

00:47:29.780 know and and they can stimulate my brain and if if if your brain's that controllable maybe maybe you

00:47:37.780 deserve to have your brain controlled you know you know i i don't i don't know you know but seriously

00:47:42.820 this this technology they can't input things to make you change your mind at least not yet not yet

00:47:49.620 not yet and you know i don't i don't think it's gonna go there we do you know i i really trust people 0.94

00:47:54.660 and i trust humanity you know not all not all people are are idiots you know this is the way i

00:48:01.380 explain it i i know when i broke my neck and they told me i never walk again or anything i didn't give 0.96

00:48:07.060 up it's like dehumanizing to have a spinal cord injury to have to depend on someone to take care of

00:48:12.740 you for the rest of your life so if this gives someone the ability to be prosperous again nolan the

00:48:20.100 the implantee at neural link he can control mouse with the computer or on a computer and so if you

00:48:27.380 can control computer you can control anything you need to in life today yeah so that gives him a

00:48:32.020 purpose again he's not just laying around you know now he can do things for himself so that makes you

00:48:38.020 human again isn't that cool that is like i say no matter how technophobic one can be and i'm pretty

00:48:44.500 technophobic it's impossible to see someone like you recover and be able to kind of challenge the

00:48:51.060 frontiers of what it means to be human yeah and and for someone like nolan who relies on the technology

00:48:57.140 as you say to be human it's impossible to discount that i'm here with tilly locky at the ai for good

00:49:05.700 conference in geneva switzerland tilly i gotta know you are famous for your robotic arms but what do you

00:49:14.340 do for fun what is what do you love in life i love tech believe it or not but i also love fashion so

00:49:21.300 i love like the integration of like tech fashion you know digital fashion 3d printing and design i'm i

00:49:26.580 help to co-develop and co-design them so i'm a massive fan and yeah i find everything here just super

00:49:32.100 interesting to be honest but i'm also like normal teenage girl love going shopping doing my makeup

00:49:37.780 meeting my friends you know pretty normal stuff to the robotic arms who made these so these

00:49:44.100 come from a company called open bionics who i've been working with since i was about nine years old

00:49:48.740 and this is their brand new product the hero pro which only launched like two months ago

00:49:52.660 so they're really really new so how do they work so these are completely muscle operated there's nothing

00:49:58.660 invasive about them there's basically two muscle sensors on the inside we call myopods and they track

00:50:03.860 my muscle movements on the inside of the arm so the fingers can like follow that so squeeze the clothes 0.54

00:50:09.060 flex it open and then from that point onwards you can change your grip mode and do all this

00:50:13.940 random all these different poses be honest though does it ever does anything ever freak you out

00:50:19.940 in technology oh yeah my old prosthetics used to scare me because they were they were like really

00:50:24.180 hyper realistic so like one time i would like forget where i put him open the drawer and like there's a

00:50:28.900 real looking hand like a dismembered looking hand and i totally understand the the the fear around it

00:50:34.660 like deep fake for example yes i'm kind of a deep fake hater not gonna lie like like there's a couple of

00:50:39.540 things i was like on the same team yeah like yeah so there is a couple things and there definitely

00:50:44.260 does need to be more regulations around it but i mean my sort of angle on it is medical tech and like

00:50:50.100 prosthetics and things like that and that's doing amazing things so i feel like we should talk about

00:50:54.100 that more thank you very much silly i appreciate it uh have a good rest of your weekend thank you

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