Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 809： French Bishop Names As Diocesan Chancellor A Priest Jailed For 4 Years For Raping 16 Year Old Boy

00:00:00.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

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00:00:12.000 I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.

00:00:17.000 The people have had a belly full of it.

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00:00:20.000 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that,

00:00:22.000 but you're not going to stop it.

00:00:23.000 It's going to happen.

00:00:24.000 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?

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00:00:29.000 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:00:34.000 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:00:38.000 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:00:44.000 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:00:48.000 Good evening, Wednesday 16th of July, Anno Domini, 2025.

00:01:00.000 Got a packed show coming up for you today.

00:01:02.000 What are we going to talk about?

00:01:03.000 We're going to talk about the Catholic tradition of venerating the incorruptible saints.

00:01:09.000 Those are saints that have died.

00:01:12.000 They may not be formally canonized, but their bodies have not decayed after their death.

00:01:18.000 We'll be touching that.

00:01:19.000 We'll be touching the fact that the Bishop of San Bernardino has dispensed illegals in his diocese from having to go to mass on Sunday.

00:01:29.000 Lots that tells you about the current psychology of the Leo church in that.

00:01:35.000 We'll be hitting that towards the end of the show.

00:01:38.000 And we've also got, as we promised last week, this horrific story about the French archbishop in Toulouse,

00:01:45.000 who was just appointed as his diocesan chancellor, a priest who was sentenced to five years in prison for raping a 16-year-old boy.

00:01:55.000 But first, very delighted and honored that Brandon Showalter from the Christian Post has taken time from his zipping across the United States of America to join us today.

00:02:10.000 And he spoke at the Federal Trade Commission last week at this conference, which we mentioned on the show.

00:02:17.000 And I have to say, it's quite genius to start deconstructing the practice of gender-affirming care effectively from this trade dynamic of what would be, I suppose, the American equivalent of the Trade Descriptions Act,

00:02:34.000 because what's in the tin is not what's on the label.

00:02:38.000 So, Brendan, before we continue, tell us a bit about this.

00:02:41.000 Let's just have a quick extract of what you said at this conference.

00:02:47.000 At this event today, the injuries are incredibly brutal.

00:02:52.000 I've seen things that have put gray hair in my black hair.

00:02:57.000 And it's just, you'll age pretty fast.

00:03:00.000 You don't want to see the kinds of things that I see in my inbox and I hear from parents about what has happened to their children.

00:03:07.000 And I'll say, when we talk about unfairness and deceptive trade practices, because it is based on an irretrievably flawed premise that it's actually possible to be born in the wrong body,

00:03:21.000 any medical treatment toward that end is going to do damage guaranteed full stop because it starts with a lie.

00:03:29.000 That's just, that's just it.

00:03:32.000 Brandon Sherwater, this is pretty strong stuff that you were saying, and I know you're going to come on the show now.

00:03:41.000 And I have to give an alert, probably the nearest to a trigger warning that we're ever going to do on the war room.

00:03:46.000 What follows, what Brandon's going to expose here is what he said to the FTC conference last week.

00:03:53.000 It's pretty horrific listening.

00:03:56.000 So I'd say viewer discretion advised if you're parents with small kids around here.

00:04:03.000 Brandon, it's not often that panelists at a Federal Trade Commission workshop are reduced to tears.

00:04:11.000 But that is what happened last week.

00:04:13.000 Tell us a bit then, you've got some case study examples here.

00:04:17.000 Tell us, why don't you open with those?

00:04:19.000 Tell us some of the cases that you were just discussing there, and then we'll break this down as part of the FTC's wider sort of deconstruction of what's going on here.

00:04:32.000 Yes, it was a great FTC panel workshop where they are tackling unjust and unfair trade practices, and they're specifically zeroing in on the medicalization of gender in children.

00:04:44.000 And because it begins with the lies I just said there in that clip, it does damage.

00:04:49.000 And I mentioned three injuries that I saw that I've reported on or seen on the front lines in the near nine years that I've been doing this journalistic work.

00:04:59.000 One was a poor man who went into his appointment.

00:05:03.000 He was believed and convinced that he was supposedly transgender.

00:05:08.000 Went the full trans path, got his testicles amputated, took the hormones, just full bore into that awful surgery. 0.91

00:05:18.000 And, of course, he regrets it.

00:05:19.000 Soon thereafter, they cut his testicles off for $1,000.

00:05:23.000 He winds up with...

00:05:29.000 I think we've got a quick issue here with Brandon, a technical issue.

00:05:38.000 He is there out on the road.

00:05:40.000 While we try and reconnect, get Brandon reconnected, let's go to Frank Walker, who's standing by in the wings.

00:05:49.000 Frank, you've got this story today.

00:05:52.000 I noted you pushed it out on Canon 212 as well.

00:05:57.000 Absolutely horrific.

00:05:59.000 This is a story about the French Archbishop of Toulouse, who has appointed as the chancellor of the diocese a priest who spent four years, sentenced to five, four years in prison for repeated rapes over a two year period back in 93, 94 of a 16 year old boy.

00:06:21.000 His defense was that he was taking the side of mercy.

00:06:26.000 And I just note, Frank, in passing before handing over to you, this guy is actually a Bergoglio appointment to Toulouse back in 2021.

00:06:34.000 Interesting there, I think, to see mercy being so misused by this French Archbishop, much in the same way that the concept of mercy had been perpetually misused by Bergoglio, stage name Pope Francis himself right throughout his 12 year pontificate.

00:06:53.000 Frank, tell me, what were the first things that struck you about this story?

00:06:57.000 Why do you think it's so horrific?

00:06:59.000 Well, I think that the—thanks, Ben—I think that the way that it was handled by the Archbishop, which I have a picture of him up there from last week at Canon 212, hang gliding in tandem with a friend of his.

00:07:14.000 You know, he doesn't look like a serious guy, but the way he handled it, he just seems to have no sense whatsoever of the people that are involved, of the parishioners, of what—of propriety and what people would think about this.

00:07:27.000 He's handled it so poorly that people are just saying, well, what in the world is going on with the church?

00:07:33.840 You know, he doesn't seem to be the least bit sorry about how he handled it.

00:07:38.640 And he says, and rightly so, he says, we sent all the paperwork to Rome.

00:07:42.760 We handled everything.

00:07:43.920 We followed all the procedures.

00:07:45.280 You know, we have procedures.

00:07:46.740 I went—I've met with lots of victims, and I've wept with them, see?

00:07:50.680 But the mercy, like you mentioned, is so important.

00:07:54.140 And it makes you think, is there a wider push in the new church, the Francis's church, Leo's church, to try to create a different way of looking at these kinds of situations?

00:08:06.240 Because, you know, if you go back, it really extends more beyond this bishop in Toulouse, because he just—he was only there a couple years, Francis put him in there.

00:08:15.180 But the bishop before him had made this priest the vice chancellor.

00:08:19.500 The chancellor at a diocese is important.

00:08:21.800 He handles cases.

00:08:23.700 He handles marriage cases.

00:08:26.200 He penalizes—he handles penalties.

00:08:28.300 He sort of works very closely with the bishop.

00:08:32.140 But he was already vice chancellor when he was there before.

00:08:34.940 But going back, when this happened, when he first was out of prison, they put him in a parish, and they had him working with children.

00:08:43.960 And then they moved him from that, and after an outcry then, into the Vatican Archive—I mean, the Archive was at the diocese for a few years.

00:08:53.200 That's absolutely true.

00:08:55.020 Frank, this is the big WTF moment for me in doing my research on this story, was that immediately after this priest, Father Spina, had been released from prison.

00:09:09.380 And I repeat this, released from prison after being sentenced to five years for multiple rapes over a two-year period of a 16-year-old boy, the diocese of Toulouse puts him in charge of children's ministry.

00:09:27.540 That's right.

00:09:30.600 Right.

00:09:31.520 That is—I'm not embellishing that.

00:09:35.440 That is exactly what they did.

00:09:37.100 They took a guy who'd just been in prison for four years for raping—repeatedly raping a 16-year-old boy.

00:09:43.600 The moment he's released from prison, the Catholic Church puts him in charge of children's ministry.

00:09:50.540 Frank, when I was looking at this, the first question I had had is, what compliment does this guy hold on relative bishops or cardinals in France, or possibly even in the Vatican, to be able to pull off that kind of maneuver?

00:10:09.320 The first thing I thought when I saw this was that, you know, it's sort of Jeffrey Epstein, perhaps, on a smaller scale.

00:10:17.620 There is no logic.

00:10:19.340 Frank Walker, you tell me.

00:10:20.440 You studied these things in the Catholic Church for 30 years.

00:10:22.860 You tell me.

00:10:23.620 There is no logic on God's green earth where you can take a guy fresh out of prison for repeatedly raping a 60-year-old boy and put him in charge of children's ministry.

00:10:37.600 Not unless it's a systemic problem.

00:10:41.240 I mean, the fact that Rome handled it so poorly in these articles that you presented here, they didn't treat it.

00:10:47.660 I mean, he forced himself on this 16-year-old boy, and he was not considered a minor by canon law at the time.

00:10:54.940 Now it's 18, but still, he should have been laicized by Rome, and that did not happen.

00:11:01.220 And I remember reading before these charges even happened, and by the way, the boy that he, the man, well, he became a man, that he molested.

00:11:09.780 The boy that he molested entered the seminary, and that's when it started to become well-known.

00:11:15.180 But before this priest, Father Spina, was in these positions, he was the vocations director at the diocese.

00:11:23.000 That means that anybody that wanted to be a priest had to come to him.

00:11:26.060 He was the screener, and this isn't the first time that I've seen this happen in dioceses in these stories.

00:11:32.060 In dioceses all over the world, men like this are deciding who could become a priest and who doesn't get to be a priest.

00:11:39.280 So it's just a network, a lavender mafia, and they're all afraid of each other. 0.99

00:11:45.900 And I think the reason why this guy gets to do what he does and gets pushed up is because he's got the goods on everybody, and they're all afraid of him.

00:11:54.100 And even in Rome, it's amazing what this bishop has said about this situation.

00:12:00.280 Because I think Francis' whole new theology of mercy has a lot to do with this.

00:12:05.160 His whole looking at the way they're welcoming homosexual lifestyle and blessing them and making it a formality. 0.98

00:12:13.700 This is all tied together.

00:12:16.160 The bishop said,

00:12:16.820 I think that we can say that Father Spina today, if we believe as a Christian faith and simple humanity, invite us to do, that a person's conversion is possible.

00:12:41.280 De Caramel wrote,

00:12:42.800 It is impossible to show mercy to a priest who sinned gravely 30 years ago.

00:12:47.060 Is it possible?

00:12:48.240 Who has since demonstrated self-sacrifice and integrity in the service of his relationship to his superiors and fellow priests?

00:12:54.360 I can't take any more of this.

00:12:57.740 I don't want to do a Steve Bannon.

00:12:59.900 I can't take any more.

00:13:01.160 This is just pure humbug.

00:13:02.380 You can't take a guy out of prison for repeatedly raping a 16-year-old boy and put them in charge of children's ministry.

00:13:10.320 This guy has compromise.

00:13:11.960 I would almost go to the line on this and say this guy has, as you say, got into children's ministry, got into vocations director.

00:13:22.120 He's been having his, you know, there's no one in a diocese that has his hands more on late teen male youth than the vocations director guiding them towards ordination.

00:13:35.140 We could, perhaps we should talk about this for the whole hour.

00:13:39.460 Sadly, we don't have time to.

00:13:40.940 But, Frank, and I know that we've got Brandon Showalter back online now.

00:13:44.640 Before we go over to him, you said something there that is so, so important, and it really indicates the crisis that the Catholic Church has been in, especially since the Second Vatican Council.

00:13:56.400 And this is the fact that the aforementioned vocations directors right across the diocese, across the world, have implemented, basically, for 60 years, a policy of screening out young chaps that actually have Catholic vocations because they're called too rigid, that they've been screened out and turned down for the peacehood because they're considered to be too conservative, too rigid.

00:14:24.380 I mean, that's the actual word they use, and bringing in sexual deviance. 0.99

00:14:30.180 And we've seen the absolute wasteland of the Catholic Church that has resulted from that because, basically, perhaps one or two in a hundred priests these days, parish priests, are only good.

00:14:42.700 The rest are deeply subversive against the Catholic faith.

00:14:46.880 And that is a crisis that has been institutionalized deliberately and put in the hands of vocations directors.

00:14:56.160 And there's more work to be done on covering that.

00:15:00.340 Frank Walker, hold on.

00:15:01.920 We'll come back to you in just a few minutes.

00:15:04.040 Let me quickly do an ad read, and then we're going to go to Brandon Showalter.

00:15:07.560 Okay.

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00:16:12.760 Okay, Brandon, I think we've got you back online.

00:16:15.220 Tell us more, if you wouldn't mind, about these horrific instances, these case studies of the biological vandalism that has been perpetrated against America's youth.

00:16:28.020 Yes, thank you, Ben, and apologies for the technical difficulties earlier.

00:16:31.380 But yes, the case studies that I mentioned at the Federal Trade Commission were the following.

00:16:36.620 I interviewed a man who underwent castration, and that poor guy wound up with severe suicidal ideation, severe endocrine complications, and again, this isn't safe for little ears.

00:16:48.060 He wound up ejaculating blood.

00:16:50.200 Another woman I mentioned at the FTC, I saw her on Instagram. 0.72

00:16:53.640 She had a phalloplasty surgery where they harvest forearm tissue to make a fake penis, and then they so badly mangled her nether regions, butchered it. 1.00

00:17:04.060 She had to have, I think, close to 30 or more revision corrective surgeries, and it was to the point where she had to urinate out of her anus into an ileostomy bag. 0.71

00:17:13.860 There are other injuries.

00:17:15.080 You know, even some other detransitioners were there at the FTC. 1.00

00:17:19.100 One girl as young as 13, just a few weeks after she turned 13, doctors amputated her breasts.

00:17:25.880 Another girl who was 14, and she later appeared on Laura Ingram, 14 years old.

00:17:30.820 She had a double mastectomy. 0.99

00:17:31.720 There was also a young man there who had been castrated.

00:17:34.660 I mean, what we have allowed to happen to America's youth and young adults under the banner of so-called gender-affirming care is an absolute and total disgrace.

00:17:44.540 It's one of the worst medical scandals, one of the worst child abuse scandals the world has ever seen, and worst of all, it's been baked into all of our institutions.

00:17:53.480 And so, in my opinion, Federal Trade Commission Chairman Andrew Ferguson and the other commissioners are to be applauded and commended for taking a look at the deceptive and misleading fraudulent diagnoses and other commercial practices that market this insane medical barbarism as health care to families and to youth.

00:18:13.420 And so, that was in keeping, the Federal Trade Commission's action was in keeping with President Trump's January 28th executive order decrying gender-affirming care as in the chemical sterilization and surgical mutilation of children as a stain on our nation's history, and it must end.

00:18:28.580 So, it was a watershed day at the Federal Trade Commission last week, and I was honored to be among the speakers who were there presenting, and it was receipt after receipt, evidence after evidence.

00:18:38.580 Clearly, if the FTC can do anything under the FTC Act Section 5, which is their scope of authority, I think we can be expecting some executive agency action.

00:18:49.080 And even the Department of Justice's chief of staff, Chad Mizell, was there speaking, proctoring a panel, and he announced that approximately 20 subpoenas had been issued against these transgender clinics.

00:19:00.160 And so, the Trump administration is clearly moving against this medical barbarism, and it's a most welcome sign.

00:19:07.200 And from the FTC perspective here, it's important, I think, to drill down on that point that you were making in the extract, the conference extract that we had at the beginning.

00:19:18.440 Basically, it's not gender.

00:19:19.980 What they're offering is simply not gender-affirming care.

00:19:22.980 That's why you're drilling down on these biological horror stories of what results.

00:19:27.360 It's not safe.

00:19:28.280 It's not secure.

00:19:29.580 And fundamentally, it doesn't change a person's gender because it can't do.

00:19:34.780 But, look, there's this one thing I want to ask you, right?

00:19:37.940 There are many things I want to ask you.

00:19:39.180 There's one thing I have time to ask you.

00:19:40.700 One of the panelists there, and this, I think, is something that all American parents should be aware of.

00:19:46.140 There was one guy there, Gareth Amaya Price, who mentions explicitly that he feared that the psychiatrist who was talking to his son, who transitioned, but not in a permanent biological way.

00:20:01.260 It was just, I don't want to use the brutal term, transvestitism period, but then he transitioned back to being a guy. 0.90

00:20:11.120 But the father here, in speaking to the psychiatrist, he said that his fear was that the medical community would have his son confiscated from him by child protective services because of his reluctance to affirm transgender procedures.

00:20:29.180 And what the psychiatrist was basically saying to him was that, look, you can either have a living daughter or a dead son.

00:20:37.720 You choose.

00:20:38.960 And this, Brandon, this wasn't a one-off strong-arm strategy, is it?

00:20:43.720 This is something that the trans lobbyist within the medical community is doing again and again and again to parents.

00:20:51.500 It's the most vile emotional blackmail, Ben.

00:20:56.360 That is, you want to talk about consumer fraud and a deceptive practice.

00:21:00.920 What on earth grants a professional to intimidate and fraudulently mislead a patient or a customer saying that if you don't allow this, if you don't go forward with this, you're going to wind up with a dead child?

00:21:16.280 I mean, how in the world is that a legitimate consumer practice?

00:21:21.020 And a lot of the detractors in the media, and I've seen coverage of this, you know, people who are poo-pooing this.

00:21:25.980 It's like this is not within the FTC scope of authority.

00:21:28.560 This is violating the doctor-patient relationships.

00:21:30.600 That when you're pushing products, when you're pushing medical services and hormones and breast binders and all of these other accoutrements that come with sort of the transgender space, you absolutely are engaged in consumer fraud and deceptive trade practices. 0.90

00:21:46.040 Because I don't know of a single other context where you are told that you have to go through with this or you're going to have a dead child.

00:21:54.020 It's one of the, like I say, it's vile emotional blackmail.

00:21:58.040 Parents are intimidated.

00:21:59.100 And yes, you're correct.

00:22:00.540 Especially in blue states, family court judges and other officers of courts are trained by gender activists in these clinics to coerce parents, strong-armed parents, into going along with this. 0.98

00:22:14.240 It's one of those, I mean, I said this in my remarks too.

00:22:16.740 Parents have been living inside of a straitjacket of silence for fear of losing their children.

00:22:22.380 And especially sometimes there's opposition within their own families and communities.

00:22:25.780 It's one of the most hidden nightmares that our society is enduring.

00:22:29.800 And I just can't be grateful enough to the Federal Trade Commission for giving seven and a half hours of platform time to the most unequivocal truth tellers in the medical field, journalists, lawyers, other people who have been screaming bloody murder for years.

00:22:45.540 It was truly a watershed day.

00:22:47.900 And again, I am looking forward to seeing what kind of other federal agency action takes place to end this barbarism.

00:22:55.000 This really is a stain on our nation's history, and it can't end soon enough.

00:22:59.780 Brandon Sherwater, thank you.

00:23:01.920 Look, you're too modest to say this, but I know that you were involved behind the scenes quite heavily in putting this conference together.

00:23:09.040 Very grateful for you coming on and giving your first-person account of what you said and why you were putting this thing together.

00:23:16.980 We'll catch up with you again, God willing, next Wednesday as we break through the news, all the news in the Christian world together.

00:23:23.200 Just in the meantime, where do people go to follow your writings on the Christian Post and also your own podcast of Generation Indoctrination?

00:23:32.080 Yes, I probably won't be able to be with you next week because I'll be out of town, out of commission, but I look forward to talking with you again soon.

00:23:39.040 You can catch all of my writings at christianpost.com, my byline.

00:23:44.940 Generationindoctrination.com is the landing page for our documentary podcast called Generation Indoctrination.

00:23:50.780 We just launched the first episode of the fifth season, and we'll be having a second episode come out probably next week.

00:23:57.240 I would also urge everyone to check out the Dead Name Documentary at deadnamedocumentary.com.

00:24:02.760 That's also on Amazon Prime, and you can follow me on x at Brandon M. Show.

00:24:09.100 Brandon, many thanks indeed, and I wish you safe travels across America as you're spreading the gospel as you do constantly.

00:24:18.320 Catch up with you soon. God bless for now.

00:24:20.020 Thank you, Ben.

00:24:21.400 Thank you, Brandon.

00:24:22.220 In the final two minutes of this half, I just want to cut quickly over to Jenny Holland. 1.00

00:24:28.400 Jenny, you're a parent.

00:24:30.040 What's your reaction on what you were just listening to?

00:24:34.240 Well, first, I want to commend Brandon and also the FTC for exposing this barbaric practice.

00:24:43.240 It does remind me a little bit of how they got Al Capone on tax evasion charges,

00:24:47.940 but I will take it because what should have happened is the pediatricians and the medical professionals

00:24:55.700 and the curriculum writers should never have ever gone anywhere near this in the first place.

00:25:01.120 It's the biggest medical scandal of our time, and it has some stiff competition, as you well know,

00:25:06.600 and the utter horror of what has been done to these children, and I've been following this for quite a few years now,

00:25:14.860 and I was still, like, gasped at what Brandon just said on the air there,

00:25:20.240 what happened to these poor young people who were so viciously misled.

00:25:25.200 I mean, I think it's really, really important to say something about how this all came about,

00:25:31.740 especially given our topics that we always cover on Wednesdays.

00:25:34.940 You can draw a direct line from secular humanism to this horror show,

00:25:41.480 and I know that is going to sound like an absolutely wild claim to many people

00:25:47.440 who are still in the throes of sort of idealization of secular humanism

00:25:52.620 because we have all been propagandized to or even indoctrinated to believe that secular humanism

00:26:01.340 was solely and 100% a benign thing that liberated us from some sort of superstitious darkness.

00:26:10.880 But that's actually not the case, and this is what happens.

00:26:16.800 This is the end result.

00:26:17.940 When you say that you are the only person in charge and you can do what you want,

00:26:22.680 we end up with what Mary Harrington called people as meat Legos.

00:26:28.300 That's basically the tragic situation where we are at the moment.

00:26:31.660 Jenny, stand by.

00:26:32.420 Just after the break, you're going to come back and tell us some of your details of traveling,

00:26:36.780 of what you've been covering.

00:26:38.520 Eagle-eyed viewers will notice that Jenny's not in her normal abode.

00:26:43.140 Stay tuned and find out exactly where she's been.

00:26:45.400 Back in two minutes.

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00:31:09.800 Well, as I was saying at the beginning of the show,

00:31:11.800 the Catholic Church has about 100 or so incorruptibles, 1.00

00:31:15.760 as we call them, capital I, incorruptibles.

00:31:17.620 These are people, not all of them are canonized saints,

00:31:20.580 but these are people who, for one reason or another,

00:31:23.840 and their motives are always open to theological discussion and analysis,

00:31:30.260 but these are about 100 or so people in the 2,000-year history of the Catholic Church,

00:31:35.240 who, after they've died, haven't corrupted.

00:31:37.980 Their bodies are more or less preserved.

00:31:40.720 Now, the degree of incorruptibility varies from one case to another.

00:31:44.120 And the Catholic Church is about to canonize its latest incorruptible, 0.97

00:31:49.960 and that's Pier Giorgio Frassati,

00:31:52.600 who lived and died up in Piemonte,

00:31:56.300 up in the northwest of the Italian peninsula.

00:32:01.060 And the War Room International Bureau's intrepid Jenny Holland has been out there.

00:32:09.300 Jenny, that's where you are right now.

00:32:11.480 That's why your background is not your usual background.

00:32:13.440 And you are in the Bel Paese.

00:32:16.020 Tell me, tell us, and I'll ask Denver to perhaps play in the background

00:32:22.320 some of the footage that you took directly when you were up there in Turin.

00:32:26.340 Tell us a bit about what you saw there, and who is Pier Giorgio Frassati?

00:32:32.480 Sure. Yes.

00:32:33.540 Hello from sunny Italy.

00:32:35.620 Pier Giorgio Frassati was a young man who lived and died,

00:32:40.420 as you said, in Turin in the first two decades of the 20th century.

00:32:45.360 And he was the son of a wealthy bourgeois family.

00:32:49.480 His father was the owner and the founder of La Stampa newspaper,

00:32:53.020 which exists to this day.

00:32:54.220 And his mother was an artistic, creative soul.

00:32:56.880 And he grew up in a time of great tumult, politically, historically, socially,

00:33:04.420 in a place, Turin, which was becoming sort of an industrial capital.

00:33:10.400 Of course, it's now famous as the home of fiat cars

00:33:13.160 and lots of other Italian, iconic Italian products.

00:33:17.300 And, of course, the industrialization led to a lot of political unrest

00:33:22.320 and the development of a large working class that was poor and overlooked.

00:33:30.080 And as this young man was growing up, despite his wealthy family,

00:33:35.600 he took great care to help the poor and those in need.

00:33:40.960 He was a very keen mountaineer and just an all-around good guy.

00:33:45.640 He died very young, some say of polio, some say of pneumonia,

00:33:50.080 possibly contracted while tending to these poor families in the city.

00:33:56.400 And since then, since he died in 1925,

00:34:01.580 it is said that his body has not decayed.

00:34:05.540 Now, his body is entombed in the cathedral in Turin,

00:34:11.160 but when I went to visit it, it was not visible.

00:34:14.980 So, but there's multiple reports of the tomb being opened

00:34:19.000 and his body is intact all these many, 100 years after the fact.

00:34:26.700 That's his grave there that you're seeing.

00:34:28.660 That's his tomb in the cathedral.

00:34:31.020 So, on Ben's suggestion, I went to a tour.

00:34:35.780 I did a tour in sort of a museum in his honor.

00:34:39.580 And the images you saw of him, the black and white photo of him climbing atop the mountain

00:34:44.560 and the writing on the wall, the illuminated writing on the wall,

00:34:50.860 was the, I suppose, the Diocese of Turin's

00:34:54.940 exhibition on this young, extraordinary young man and why he should become a saint.

00:35:03.140 And I found it very interesting because the hour-long tour

00:35:10.560 didn't mention his incorruptible state one single time

00:35:18.140 and instead focused on things like his generosity, his joyfulness,

00:35:24.160 that he was good to his friends and that he was good to the poor.

00:35:26.920 And that's great, but that's what we call in the news business burying the lead.

00:35:34.260 The fact that this person, and it is confirmed, I mean, you know,

00:35:40.680 it's not a conspiracy theory that this body has not decayed.

00:35:44.660 I mean, that has been verified, you know, as to why, like you say,

00:35:48.340 that's a theological discussion, but it isn't fully decayed.

00:35:51.920 And instead of leading with that and proclaiming that as this incredible miracle,

00:35:59.560 which defies any material explanation whatsoever,

00:36:03.740 they went with a much more insipid, you know, in the leadership of the church's infinite wisdom,

00:36:12.420 they go with a much more insipid sort of feel-good story about this young man

00:36:17.260 who liked to climb mountains and who gave his bus fare to the poor.

00:36:21.160 Now, I personally think that this is not at all in keeping with the strange phenomena

00:36:28.820 that is driving people, young people especially, into the arms of traditional Catholicism.

00:36:35.280 And that is they are fleeing from the horrors of the material, modern, secular world,

00:36:41.540 the kinds of things that Brandon was just speaking about.

00:36:43.980 And they're very open and curious and receptive to the possibility of miraculous events.

00:36:51.400 I personally find it hard to believe them, myself, being an atheist and having been raised in a purely secular world.

00:36:58.080 But I would strongly want to know more about them, and I am curious, and I want to be told these stories.

00:37:07.840 Fundamentally, the human race needs to be told these stories of miracles and wondrous events for our own sanity.

00:37:17.980 It's really part of our fundamental need of mankind, I think.

00:37:24.060 You know, you point out that you yourself are an atheist from a Christian perspective.

00:37:32.660 And, of course, there's no obligation, even on Catholics, to accept the claims that are scientifically proven

00:37:40.420 in many of these cases that someone is incorruptible after their death.

00:37:44.260 But from a Christian perspective, once you start off and you have at the centre of your religious life

00:37:51.300 the belief that a person, Jesus Christ, could raise himself from the dead by his own power,

00:38:00.180 once you accept that, then basically anything which is attributed to being a miracle extends out of the faith.

00:38:12.420 I don't think that can be dismissed out of hand.

00:38:16.460 It doesn't mean that everything that is claimed to be a miracle is miraculous.

00:38:19.960 But once you say, yes, I believe that a person can raise themselves from the dead by their own power,

00:38:28.180 everything else is at least within, I think, the realms of acceptability.

00:38:35.420 Let me bring Frank Walker in now.

00:38:39.060 Frank, what do you think?

00:38:40.000 Jenny's out there in touring.

00:38:41.940 She's been there, took her family out to see this astonishing thing.

00:38:47.760 What conclusion do you draw from the fact that here is the institutional Catholic Church,

00:38:53.160 which seems ever so slightly ashamed and embarrassed about the supernatural events

00:39:02.500 that have stretched out from the consequence of faithful, heroic, faithful life?

00:39:09.940 I mean, it's not as if there aren't miracles.

00:39:11.700 I mean, there are miracles associated with this guy, Frassati,

00:39:15.080 because if there weren't, they would be canonising him.

00:39:17.060 Just give me your quick two minutes. 0.54

00:39:20.200 Why the hesitation?

00:39:22.180 Why the sense of reluctance even to mention the fact that this guy is incorruptible?

00:39:30.900 I think it shows what their priorities are.

00:39:34.360 And I have to say, I mean, that the whole saint-making process in the current era,

00:39:43.420 I'm a little suspicious of, because they seem to choose saints that fit politically

00:39:48.880 and to create some sort of propaganda effect.

00:39:52.760 And that's what she's seeing here, is you have a saint who may, to some extent, be incorruptible.

00:39:59.280 There's many ways to be incorruptible.

00:40:01.680 What I read about this in this case is it has to be not what you would naturally expect.

00:40:08.540 Like, for instance, St. Clair from 800 years ago, her body looks very decayed, but not that much.

00:40:13.280 It's not the bones that it would normally have been.

00:40:15.340 So it's miraculous, they say.

00:40:17.660 But they care about the politics.

00:40:19.440 That's why they didn't mention this.

00:40:20.720 They're ashamed of the fact and the teaching of the church and that there may be something miraculous.

00:40:26.920 I don't know what other miracle—I can't remember if there's another miracle that they're promoting

00:40:30.700 associated with this guy, but I know that they've been pushing this cause for many years now.

00:40:35.380 So it goes back to when things were a little bit more reliable.

00:40:38.140 But they're not interested in that.

00:40:40.220 And it's just like with Carlo Acutis, the young 15-year-old that died.

00:40:45.520 And they're really, really marketing him so well.

00:40:48.380 I mean, they have him dressed up in his jogging suit and everything, and they want all the

00:40:52.940 teenagers to look up to him.

00:40:55.340 It's more the message that they want to make that they're interested in, not so much anything

00:40:59.680 miraculous that's happening.

00:41:00.900 In fact, if I understand things correctly, now they're doing a double canonization at

00:41:06.460 the same event on the same day of Carlo Acutis and Pier Giorgio Frassati.

00:41:12.860 I think they're doing them together.

00:41:15.040 And you're right, you know.

00:41:16.780 You're right.

00:41:18.060 I'm not aware—it's not as if they've been pushing heavily the miracles.

00:41:21.780 For the Protestants that are following us, the convention is—and this has been the convention 0.81

00:41:27.520 of the saint factory for the last 500 years, 250 years from the Council of Trent onwards—is

00:41:37.820 that to formally canonize somebody, there are now required two miracles, right?

00:41:44.780 One for beatification, one for canonization.

00:41:47.380 Though the process has—I know what you're going to say, Frank—the process has been debased

00:41:52.160 somewhat in recent decades.

00:41:55.400 They've abolished the devil's advocate who formally argued against canonization.

00:42:01.500 But normally they push the miracles due to the intercession quite heavily, and I'm not

00:42:08.060 aware of what it was.

00:42:10.620 I think when they so-called canonized John Porth II, it was basically some nun with a sore

00:42:20.400 throat walked past a picture of him soaking a cough pill, a cough pastel, and miraculously

00:42:30.480 the cough went away.

00:42:32.140 There, ergo, canonization, santos subito.

00:42:36.760 The situation is debased.

00:42:38.140 The situation has been massively debased, and it really started with John Porth II.

00:42:43.860 Folks, look, Frank, stay with us.

00:42:46.900 We're going to come back to you on these themes in just a couple of minutes.

00:42:50.560 I want to say the miraculous intercession story which always gets me is Padre Pio, who—and

00:42:58.860 this wasn't even an intercession post-death.

00:43:01.420 This is while he was still alive.

00:43:02.700 There was a young girl called Chiara, who was born blind.

00:43:08.240 Born blind, she didn't even have pupils, just like white. 1.00

00:43:12.460 No, it's Padre Pio, pray to—obviously in the name of Jesus Christ—for healing.

00:43:17.440 From that moment on, she could see.

00:43:21.980 And I think she became—I think she's still alive, even.

00:43:24.500 —and she became a religious sister.

00:43:28.920 And the mind-blowing thing, folks, is to this day, that girl still doesn't have any pupils.

00:43:39.620 And more, you know, miracles are always difficult to explain, but that one is just absolutely

00:43:44.320 mind-blowing.

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00:45:45.380 Okay, Frank, stay with us now because you are going to tell us what's happened.

00:45:53.240 I think San Bernardino's in California.

00:45:56.000 You're going to tell us what happened, what their bishop did just a couple of days ago,

00:46:02.020 dispensing the illegal alien invaders from their Sunday obligation of going to mass. 1.00

00:46:11.960 Let's not forget, folks, this comes from the Third Commandment, the Third.

00:46:16.160 I know Catholics, Protestants, Jews have different ways of ordering the 16 or so commandments

00:46:23.080 in the Old Testament into 10 formal categories.

00:46:27.880 But let's go for the Catholics, say it's the Third Commandment. 1.00

00:46:31.980 Thou shalt keep the Sabbath holy.

00:46:34.920 Frank, tell me, what was the justification of this Bishop of San Bernardino

00:46:39.880 to overwrite one of the Ten Commandments?

00:46:44.480 Because as the Jews like to say, if God were really a permissive liberal,

00:46:48.220 he would have given us the Ten Suggestions.

00:46:51.240 That's right.

00:46:51.920 It's very important.

00:46:53.020 And I apologize.

00:46:54.000 I didn't see your notes that ahead of time, I don't work my phone very well.

00:46:59.060 But I've been following this story at Canon 212.

00:47:01.240 And I was shocked when I first saw it, but I'm not completely surprised.

00:47:05.680 It's a progress, a movement beyond what they did with the virus, with the pandemic.

00:47:12.000 Because when they closed all those churches for the pandemic,

00:47:15.400 nobody is ever going to forget that.

00:47:17.420 And they tried to tell us that this happened, you know, maybe 100 years ago.

00:47:22.400 But it really was like in a very small case in one local place in just for a short time.

00:47:26.440 It was nothing like what they did to us.

00:47:27.800 And it was so unnecessary because it destroys the faith of the people.

00:47:32.640 And they lost so many people that were going to Mass

00:47:35.280 because they knew that they were obliged to be there at Sunday Mass Catholics

00:47:39.780 and that they were somehow being used for this enormous COVID,

00:47:44.560 I call it a scandemic, they were being used.

00:47:47.700 And that's what's happening here.

00:47:48.900 This is a new level of using people, you know,

00:47:51.560 just like we were talking about with saints and using saints

00:47:54.380 and using new people, making new saints,

00:47:56.540 in order to move people and twist their minds.

00:47:59.740 They're using the faithful Catholics for political purposes here.

00:48:03.520 They're creating, trying to create, it's a stunt,

00:48:06.100 as well as they're trying to create this situation

00:48:07.660 where everybody's so terrified they can't even go to Mass.

00:48:10.820 And they're letting them out of Mass.

00:48:12.300 And it's just a way to hit Trump on his deportations and his immigration policy.

00:48:19.540 That's all it is.

00:48:20.320 Let me just throw this at you.

00:48:22.420 Catholic leaders across the country say they're witnessing steep decreases

00:48:27.400 in mass attendance in response to immigration actions taken by the Trump administration.

00:48:32.980 It's all there.

00:48:33.880 Everything in the Novus Ordo Catholic Church is total prostitution.

00:48:40.260 It's all there.

00:48:41.400 Because ordinary Americans increasingly don't want the product

00:48:46.120 that the Novus Ordo Catholic Church is offering.

00:48:48.500 So to keep the money coming in, to keep the flow on the pews going,

00:48:53.600 they're there conniving and making money after the importation into the United States

00:48:59.320 of huge numbers of people.

00:49:03.100 Look, sadly, that is all the time we have for today.

00:49:06.900 Frank Walker, where do people go for Canon 212?

00:49:10.900 I'm stumbling, Brock, to keep up with your daily analysis.

00:49:14.100 Thank you, Canon 212, C-A-N-O-N-1-N-2-1-2.

00:49:19.340 And put it in your address bar because I just got another note today.

00:49:22.460 They're having trouble finding it on Google and on DuckDuckGo

00:49:25.300 and other sites just in the last month.

00:49:27.860 And stumbling block or at Rumble, you can see the daily update.

00:49:31.340 And at Gloria TV, the Twitter is Canon 212, all spelled out.

00:49:35.180 And I always point out, folks, that Canon 212 is suffering right now algorithmic suppression

00:49:44.560 at the hands of the evil Google regime.

00:49:47.580 So you will need to type it out in full.

00:49:49.920 They don't want Google, right?

00:49:51.860 And our technocratic overruns don't want you going there to the truth.

00:49:56.960 Frank, I'll ask you if you wouldn't mind putting up the links of some of the things

00:50:00.120 that we discussed today on your website.

00:50:02.240 And I very strongly recommend people to check it out every day, as I do myself.

00:50:06.240 Frank, thanks very much.

00:50:07.180 Catch up with you next week.

00:50:08.020 God bless for now.

00:50:09.260 Thank you, Ben.

00:50:09.740 You too.

00:50:09.980 Jenny Holland, where do people go to keep up with you and your profile on social media?

00:50:18.320 So my sub-stack is JennyEHolland.substack.com.

00:50:22.480 And I'm on X at Semper Femina 21.

00:50:26.800 That's great.

00:50:29.360 And I'm very grateful that you took time out of your visit to Italy to come on the show

00:50:35.820 and give us this breakdown.

00:50:37.140 I think it's an absolutely amazing story, the whole phenomenon to do with the incorruptibles

00:50:43.180 and the stories behind it.

00:50:44.200 I think it's a great opportunity, not just for Catholics, but for Christians, practicing

00:50:49.080 Christians, to go out there in the public square and try and attract people into taking 1.00

00:50:55.100 into consideration what the Christian message, the fundamental message of Jesus Christ is.

00:51:00.100 Because it is a miraculous message.

00:51:02.440 It is a supernatural message that rides over the totality of the day-to-day nature that

00:51:10.120 we have in front of us.

00:51:11.440 And it's nice to be made reminded of these things every now and again to help keep our

00:51:18.140 eyes fixed on eternity.

00:51:20.560 My thanks to Cameron Wallace, our producer today, as always, to the great crack team in

00:51:26.380 Denver, and to my guests, Brandon Showalter, Frank Walker, and Jenny Holland.

00:51:31.480 I'm Ben Harnwell, your host.

00:51:32.580 I'll be back here, God willing, Wednesday, next week, same time, 6pm.

00:51:36.940 Take care.

00:51:37.340 God bless for now.

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WarRoom Battleground EP 809： French Bishop Names As Diocesan Chancellor A Priest Jailed For 4 Years For Raping 16 Year Old Boy

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