Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 812： Brennan And Co. The Complete Coverup

00:00:00.000 well here we are again nicole um it is unsurprising yet very troubling and very dangerous

00:00:17.840 as said that the person who leads our intelligence community today would put out something like this

00:00:25.200 that just mischaracterizes and misrepresents in a in a wholesale manner what the intelligence

00:00:32.560 community did during the 2016 run-up to the presidential election again the misrepresentations

00:00:38.960 just are ludicrous um you know when i read through the material it reminded me of you know sort of a

00:00:45.620 third-rate lawyer uh who realizes she got nothing to defend her client and is going to put together

00:00:51.240 an absurd brief that's laughable on its face because anybody who looks at the intelligence

00:00:57.120 community assessment and the work that was done will see that it was very carefully worded and

00:01:02.480 ticklessly done and it stands up to scrutiny and in time as you pointed out there have been numerous

00:01:08.480 reviews about it and it didn't say any of the things that uh tilcy gabbard alleges it said or

00:01:14.920 didn't say and i really do encourage people to read it because it was very clear in terms of what

00:01:20.820 it said that the russians were using at president putin's direction influence operations to try to

00:01:26.580 denigrate hillary clinton try to increase the prospects for donald trump's selection and also

00:01:31.780 just to undermine the integrity of our election system and again those were the primary judgments

00:01:38.100 again they are ones that certainly i and others who are involved continue to stand behind

00:01:43.700 well unfortunately i think she's been able to pull some people together um who are going to put

00:01:48.740 together this brief that again is uh is ludicrous in terms of the substance the content of it and

00:01:56.160 then they make these specious allegations and again as i said like a lawyer's brief what she's doing is

00:02:01.820 pushing this out into the social media environment and trying to again gain some attention and to

00:02:07.380 ingratiate herself with donald trump because clearly over the past several weeks it appears as though she

00:02:11.860 has lost some favor and is trying to now use this as an opportunity to carry favor once again uh but

00:02:18.180 again what what the the specious specious allegations that both she and radcliffe are making based on the

00:02:24.740 things that they're putting out really are quite concerning and quite dangerous

00:02:32.020 this is the primal scream of a dying regime pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people

00:02:41.860 you're just not got a free shot all these networks lying about the people the people have had a

00:02:47.140 belly full of it i know you don't like hearing that i know you try to do everything in the world to stop

00:02:51.220 that but you're not going to stop it it's going to happen and where do people like that go to share

00:02:55.620 the big line mega media i wish in my soul i wish that any of these people had a conscience ask yourself

00:03:04.820 what is my task and what is my purpose if that answer is to save my country this country will be

00:03:13.300 saved war room here's your host stephen k bannett

00:03:22.820 okay welcome back for six o'clock hour we're going to continue on with these investigations sam fettis

00:03:27.380 joins us and sam besides spending a career in the at the central intelligence agency most of it in the

00:03:33.140 field uh he's also one of the leaders of the patriot movement in pennsylvania the guys that

00:03:37.380 delivered uh the 2024 election uh for president trump president trump campaigned just like a man

00:03:44.180 on fire in pennsylvania you guys had a gathering a couple weeks ago i want to get to that because

00:03:48.580 that gets to the epstein situation and where we stand also abraham george is going to join us in texas

00:03:54.020 so we got a problem down in texas a big problem that we got to start sorting out because the special

00:03:58.980 session is only going to last for four weeks so sam you spent a career there brennan ran the cia and

00:04:06.900 he i think he was the first analyst to ever run the central intelligence agency left a uh a controversial

00:04:13.620 i think terrible legacy behind he's obviously quite nervous with what tulsi's gabbard's doing you're

00:04:20.340 probably one of the individuals uniquely positioned since you are part of mega uh you're all in on this

00:04:28.180 movement uh you're a grassroots leader plus you've got tremendous expertise uh do you note some fear

00:04:35.300 in his voice when he's sitting there just hammering tulsi gabbard how unprofessional she is and how

00:04:40.660 ridiculous these allegations are but he doesn't go back and he never cites a fact sir yeah you know

00:04:48.100 it's interesting you start that way steve because as i was watching watching that video i almost started

00:04:53.780 laughing because all i could think was as a guy who spent a long time getting paid to read people

00:05:00.260 all i could think was wow you're scared you are really worried now man you are just jam and jabbering

00:05:07.860 away falling all over yourself what happened to the smug i'm impervious nobody can touch me exterior

00:05:17.140 this guy is beginning to face reality like you committed treason you were part of a conspiracy

00:05:24.180 to overthrow the republic to depose a sitting president and now oh my god you might actually

00:05:31.220 face the consequences i guess that never occurred to him

00:05:37.140 tell us about uh brennan uh i mean you know this guy talk to us about him for why was he so controversial

00:05:43.220 at this i mean you you wrote a book about the fall of the cia you you've made comments before that

00:05:48.740 it would take a major institutional reorganization you believe yep and a big purge and new personnel

00:05:54.580 and new methodologies and a new mindset to set to get this thing back on course but brennan has thrived

00:06:01.700 not just thrived in that environment he's helped build that environment who tell the audience who is john brennan

00:06:07.620 well look john brennan was basically a mid-level analyst of no particular note until he got named

00:06:15.940 to be the guy who briefed bill clinton on the pdb the presidential daily brief so that that as it was

00:06:23.780 currently operating that meant every day first thing in the morning he was sitting down face to face

00:06:30.980 with the president of the united states getting that face time and getting that access and from there

00:06:36.980 he went from i mean i just just another guy to all of a sudden this meteoric rise and he was named to

00:06:47.780 be chief of station in other words the senior cia officer in country in saudi arabia as an analyst and

00:06:57.220 that was taboo i mean the job of a chief of station is obviously to run operations and collect intelligence

00:07:04.500 and therefore the guy or gal who has that job needs to be an expert at that with a lot of years on the

00:07:12.100 street because that's what they're they're making operational judgments every day that are critical

00:07:17.620 so an analyst by definition this is not to denigrate the trade because they do important stuff

00:07:22.500 but analyst by definition has no such background so that was a purely political

00:07:28.900 appointment and then we we we went on from there and i think you know he's personally responsible for

00:07:34.500 a tremendous amount of destruction in the cia and of course one of the lasting impacts is even though

00:07:39.140 he's gone he dragged along like any powerful guy a whole bunch of other people up into senior

00:07:47.220 positions and he did that not based on operational success he based that on the fact that they were

00:07:52.660 they thought like him and acted like him and they still unfortunately inhabit cia in large numbers

00:08:02.740 sam uh and please don't take this the wrong way but ever since i first met you you remind me of that

00:08:07.700 commercial the world's most interesting man you are you're from that part of the cia that's kind of

00:08:13.540 the oss lineage you're you were not an analyst right you're a guy in the field you're a guy

00:08:18.900 uh an operative somebody out there getting making things happen right i was a kid what

00:08:24.660 the agency calls a case officer or officer right a case officer tell the audience the difference

00:08:32.420 between the case officers and the analysts because what brennan did when he actually

00:08:36.580 became head of the cia which i think shocked a lot of people didn't he merge it all together so

00:08:41.380 the analytical people which are obviously very important although they've blown a few calls

00:08:45.780 uh were actually kind of equal to or in many cases running countries like in saudi arabia that

00:08:52.820 heretofore had been with case officers or people that ran the desk from an operation side

00:09:00.420 yeah well look i'm gonna this is gonna sound like i am the arrogant old case officer that i am right

00:09:06.420 by definition but look the reason cia exists is to run operations and the reason there's a directorate of

00:09:12.980 operations is because the case officers they're the ones who recruit sources run ops everybody else

00:09:18.100 is a supporting arm that doesn't mean that they're not important if there are no analysts to do something

00:09:23.780 with the intelligence you gather it's kind of a pointless exercise but ops is what drives the train

00:09:29.300 of course brennan derailed that completely and pulled into positions of power and authority folks who

00:09:37.460 rarely if ever left northern virginia didn't run ops had never met a source never recruited a source

00:09:43.860 never done any of that it was all a political ladder climbing game and then of course because he of who

00:09:51.300 he had attached himself to you know you can there's the domestic american political element to this

00:09:58.420 too so now the guys i mean folks like mike morrell who people's name probably recognize the name the guy

00:10:04.260 who orchestrated the 51 the letter with the 51 supposed spies and all about hunter's laptop okay

00:10:11.140 morrell was never a case officer he didn't run operations he spent his whole life in northern virginia

00:10:16.260 he was an admin guy so somehow that guy ended up running the central intelligence agency and you just

00:10:24.820 in addition to the politics you've completely lost your edge it's like the marine corps would be run

00:10:30.180 by a bunch of finance guys or something this has had real world implications i mean tell the audience

00:10:38.580 why were they so they missed the call that trump because they thought trump was going to lose

00:10:43.940 um and they thought they had kind of rigged it that trump definitely would lose when trump won that's when

00:10:49.700 they went into panic mode that they had to basically nullify this election they could not let trump

00:10:55.780 even if if they couldn't remove him from office that he would only be in office and not doing any of

00:11:00.820 the fundamental restructuring of essentially going after the deep state that he had wanted to do and

00:11:06.500 and more importantly knew had to be done um walk us through that where did this hatred of kind of the

00:11:12.420 populist nationalist movement come from where did this contempt for the american people come from

00:11:18.260 institutionally not just with individuals but it seems like institutionally at at the cia many of the

00:11:23.780 other intelligence i mean when you read the memos about these meetings in the oval office it just

00:11:29.460 drips with contempt the institutional contempt for the american people sir yeah i think that's that is

00:11:37.780 absolutely correct i don't think it only applies to cia and the intelligence community i think you see

00:11:42.180 it throughout the federal bureaucracy but it's particularly strong the intelligence community it's this

00:11:46.980 attitude by people who go to dc enter these bureaucracies stay there for the rest of their lives

00:11:54.420 don't interact with regular american people don't ever leave the imperial city and yeah they're

00:12:01.780 absolutely 100 convinced they are smarter they are destined to to rule i mean if you think about it

00:12:09.060 they're trying to roll back the whole concept of democracy to like athens when the pump when the

00:12:15.220 one you know thousands of years ago when the average guy stood up and said you know what i don't think

00:12:19.460 we're going to listen to a handful of families that keep telling us they're the elite i think we're

00:12:24.340 going to actually take control and vote and exercise popular power these guys think i guess that that was

00:12:32.020 a really misguided experiment and we need to go back to just trusting the so-called experts and they have

00:12:39.140 over time obviously decided anything is justified i mean what are we talking about in totality they

00:12:47.780 tried to interfere in in and stop intervening in american presidential election stop trump trump from getting

00:12:55.220 elected in 2016 and once they failed as you just said they tried to stage a coup they tried to stage the first coup in

00:13:03.940 american history violate the constitution commit treason and overthrow a sitting president and to this

00:13:11.460 day they think they were doing the right thing that's the mind-boggling part as someone as a case

00:13:19.380 officer or in operations or the director of operations uh you guys know about coups right the color

00:13:27.140 revolution and coups coup d'etats um do you think that this rises to that level when you use that when

00:13:34.260 sam fattis uses that word it's a lot different than when steve bannon stoned it around do you think that

00:13:39.220 what you've seen and what you've looked at objectively is that when they failed to stop trump from being

00:13:46.340 elected in 2016 which they they were more shocked than anybody um do you think that they actually

00:13:52.900 initiated what you would consider to be a coup yeah without question i use that word very deliberately

00:14:00.500 of course the real skeleton in my closet is that not just not that i worked at cia but then i'm

00:14:04.740 actually a lawyer as well right so i tend to use words deliberately um and i don't think there's any

00:14:12.180 question this is this is treason you you decided you didn't like the results of an election

00:14:18.420 election and now you are undertaking an effort to drive a sitting president duly elected by the

00:14:26.100 people of the united states from office and deposing and along the way as you know better than most

00:14:34.020 everybody else is collateral damage man it doesn't matter once you've made that decision

00:14:38.980 you'll send people to prison you'll bankrupt them you'll take away their law licenses you'll stomp on anybody

00:14:44.900 let's play do we have i want to play uh i got we've got so many clips from tulsi let's play one

00:14:52.180 i want to get sam fetis's reaction because i've heard talk of a criminal referral are you referring

00:14:58.740 this in a criminal matter we are referring all of the documents that we have uncovered to the department

00:15:06.900 of uh of justice and the fbi for as for a criminal referral yeah and and do you believe that we will

00:15:14.580 see prosecutions i mean our audience wants to know where this story goes from here will we ever see

00:15:20.900 anyone held accountable for this incredible lie on the american people i will do all that i can and and

00:15:29.300 and we have whistleblowers actually maria coming forward now after we release these documents because

00:15:35.380 there are people who were around uh who were working within the intelligence community at this

00:15:40.660 time who were so disgusted by what happened we're starting to see some of them come out of the

00:15:45.700 woodwork here because they too like you and i and the american people want to see justice delivered so

00:15:52.980 we're going to provide everything that we have everything that we will continue to gather to the

00:15:57.140 department of justice for that direct intent and that direct purpose there must be indictments those

00:16:03.460 responsible no matter how powerful they they are and were at that time no matter uh who was involved

00:16:11.060 in creating this uh treasonous conspiracy against the american people they all must be held accountable

00:16:18.260 so so do you expect just to be clear do you expect indictments and prosecutions

00:16:25.380 i'm not a lawyer in my view we have the evidence to be able to move forward and bring about justice

00:16:32.100 yes to prosecute and indict those responsible

00:16:37.700 so sam faddish you're not simply a ca operative you're also a lawyer do you believe uh because i'm

00:16:44.900 not saying the patience is wearing thin on the war and posse or the or the base of the mega movement

00:16:50.820 but uh you know they want to see action they want to see accountability they want to see people held

00:16:55.780 responsible for doing this for this failed coup against president trump and then many more things

00:17:00.900 after which we'll get to in a second do you believe at least on the initial uh because i

00:17:06.100 understand from people at dni more things are coming out also they are being overwhelmed with

00:17:10.660 whistleblowers their phones are lighting up from people that didn't feel comfortable coming forward

00:17:15.940 until they saw that the trump administration was going to be serious about this your your thoughts

00:17:20.740 about what you just heard from tulsi given the fact of what you've read and seen of what she's put out

00:17:27.940 well first of all she's for real in my opinion she means exactly what she says and she's not

00:17:33.060 playing and thank god that she's doing it because within many of these agencies i see no sign that anybody

00:17:40.100 is serious about cleaning house so thank thank god she's taking this step do i think there will be

00:17:44.980 indictments i think there's a very good chance i mean obviously this is a long process and you're going to

00:17:49.700 have the most expensive legal minds in the world on the other side and it isn't going to happen in 15

00:17:54.580 minutes do i think there will be indictments yeah i think there's a very good chance convictions

00:18:00.100 if the muscle is put into it i mean if we're serious and this administration is committed to this

00:18:07.860 i'm not talking about interfering in the judicial process but dedicates the resources and and goes

00:18:13.700 after them i i don't see any reason why there can't be those and i'm heartened to hear that there

00:18:18.420 are whistleblowers coming coming forth because look the the bottom line is what brennan and company did

00:18:24.980 here on many occasions actually was so egregious it's not like there's two guys

00:18:32.180 at cia who know what they were doing that's not the way this works there are lots of senior people

00:18:38.820 and other mid-level folks who were there when this happened and saw it happening and know exactly how it

00:18:44.820 went down and you know i am disappointed that more of them haven't come forward to date but on the

00:18:50.820 other hand i understand that they probably didn't trust the process before i mean i can tell you for

00:18:56.580 sure that the inspector general process has been a joke for a long time you go to the inspector general

00:19:01.140 you're going to lose your career and nothing's going to happen so let's let's hope a lot of people come

00:19:07.380 forward um you know i've advocated for a special counsel on this because i think it's so big it's

00:19:14.420 too big for justice to handle they're inundated they got 200 lawsuits about the president's article

00:19:18.500 two powers they're fighting off so many different things you need somebody that's focused on this

00:19:22.420 and builds a world-class team i also believe the entire epstein thing ought to go in there so you

00:19:27.060 can have somebody quickly review the documents and start to get them out um you had a gathering of

00:19:31.940 the patriots i think a thousand people a couple of weeks ago what was the sense of people there

00:19:36.500 about the epstein situation what's their take because these are the grassroots leaders that that

00:19:42.340 helped deliver pennsylvania uh and if we if we lose these people you can have all the great policies

00:19:48.980 you want but you're not going to get those door knockers you're not going to get the canvassers

00:19:52.740 you're not going to get the people that go get the low propensity low information voters which is the

00:19:57.300 key now in every election what's the temperature of your patriots up in pennsylvania sir so i was up

00:20:04.580 at the rally at the rock which is an annual event up in bradford county run by doug mcclinka who's as

00:20:10.100 mega as they get a county commissioner up there and yeah there's roughly a thousand people and these

00:20:16.420 are the leaders of the mega movement patriot movement whatever you want to call it in pennsylvania

00:20:20.900 the guys that just won the white house won pennsylvania anyway for donald trump by sweating blood

00:20:27.380 and i was curious as i walked around talking to these folks many of whom i know very very well

00:20:33.060 to ask about the epstein thing what do you think is going on i expected some variation in opinion

00:20:37.940 there was none i mean i talked to these individuals separately over the course of hours and yet it was

00:20:43.300 almost like i was hearing pretty close to word for word the exact same thing they were angry they felt uh

00:20:50.740 betrayed and there's no way on earth they're getting past this the the issue with epstein

00:20:58.820 and the files and client lists they absolutely understand they were promised something full

00:21:05.300 disclosure a reckoning and now what they're hearing is in their view kind of never mind nothing to see here

00:21:13.860 um and i will say that every one of them also said this the impact of this in the base if we don't

00:21:23.140 fix this meaning we don't satisfy them with disclosures and coming clean and i don't want that to sound

00:21:29.620 like like a political ploy i mean unless we do the right thing and come clean and show these people

00:21:36.820 everything that there is the first thing that will happen will be enthusiasm and turnout in the

00:21:42.340 midterms will go through the floor red precincts all across pennsylvania many of them actually came

00:21:48.340 close to 100 turnout unprecedented this last time and everybody's talking you know you're going to go

00:21:55.300 from 95 to 30 and it doesn't take a genius to figure out what that means means you're going to lose

00:22:01.700 even in what supposedly safe red districts you're going to lose and it'll be a disaster so

00:22:09.380 i fully support the president 100 percent of his team

00:22:14.980 we we can't just drive by this and ignore it it'll it'll be a nightmare

00:22:22.020 sam fattis where did it go to get and magazine it's a uh must read your you got another great uh

00:22:27.380 piece up today on the cia uh where do folks go we're on substack and magazine dot substack dot com

00:22:34.740 and magazine dot substack dot com

00:22:40.260 sam fattis thank you for joining us today enlightening sir all the patriots all the

00:22:45.460 patriots up in uh in pennsylvania and that is a hardcore group that can deliver let's go to texas we

00:22:51.460 have uh abraham george so abraham george we just had you know we heard about the special session we

00:22:58.580 know about the five districts these are absolutely critical to 2026 then we had brian harrison we saw

00:23:04.820 all kind of tweets come up today what in the hell is going on down there in the special session sir i

00:23:10.340 don't think we're getting off on the right foot brother it it really is not a good start uh steve uh when

00:23:16.340 you have the communist marxist gene wu as one of the members of redistricting who is also the uh the

00:23:24.340 chairman of the democrat uh caucus in texas house who is threatening to you know basically cut quorum

00:23:31.140 and leave uh he is put on as one of the members along with a bunch of very prominent democrat members

00:23:40.260 of texas house is also in this committee so it really is not a good start at all

00:23:47.140 so i mean how can that happen the president has said that this is a priority of the president united

00:23:52.580 states you know and he is very engaged in texas uh the special session i realize you're going to do

00:23:57.780 some property taxes things that didn't get done uh there would be some stuff i think about the

00:24:02.500 flying hill country all that but one of the principal reasons was to focus on this redistricting

00:24:07.220 how do we get off to such a bad start where you've got the democrats it looks like they're trying

00:24:12.020 to take over the process sir well it really is and and steve i'll be just really blunt about it when

00:24:18.980 you have a speaker a republican speaker who is elected by majority of the democrats this is what

00:24:24.100 we get this is the reason why we had this huge fight in the beginning of the regular session when

00:24:30.340 we said a speaker must be elected by the republican caucus but not democrat caucus and speaker burrows

00:24:37.460 uh broke quorum from the republican caucus and went and talked to the democrats and got elected as

00:24:43.300 the speaker of texas house which has been a disaster from the day one they put democrats in committee

00:24:49.060 chairmanships and created subcommittees all kinds of stuff property tax uh was supposed to be

00:24:55.460 happening in the first 60 days because that was a emergency item from the governor it didn't happen

00:25:00.900 uh texas texans are hurting with this property tax craziness from all local areas uh and now the

00:25:08.900 redistricting which is as important as property tax for republicans and and for entire united states

00:25:16.340 uh and this is where we are starting with with bunch of communist uh socialist people in the committee

00:25:25.460 abraham can you hang around for one second we'll take a short commercial break the situation in texas

00:25:29.860 as texas goes so goes the nation texas is the railhead of the mega movement and as i keep saying

00:25:36.900 there's something so not right down to texas and now it's been manifested in this uh redistricting

00:25:43.540 and this audience knows how tough these redistricting are you've been in these fights

00:25:47.220 in florida uh and in tennessee missouri north carolina i think louisiana remember last cycle

00:25:53.140 uh folks if we hadn't done the redistricting not so sure that we're taking the house and not so

00:26:00.740 sure that would have been there to get all the bills and legislation and investigations as as

00:26:06.740 imperfect as that is hakeem jefferson you've seen what's happened in new york i mean this is a

00:26:11.860 combination this a merger of the red green alliance the neo-marxist with the uh with the uh jihadist

00:26:19.140 so this thing in texas couldn't be bigger and those districts are just sitting there

00:26:23.860 ripe for redistricting they make total complete sense like i said philip patrick's gonna be with

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00:32:58.260 started the five o'clock show it's not simply the redistricting is that the redistricting is so

00:33:04.020 important the president of the united states has made this a focus and therefore it will be a focus

00:33:08.580 but what is shocking and i keep telling people there's something wrong with texas these folks that

00:33:13.220 came forward today i want you to give a little description these are like the aocs and the mondamis

00:33:19.780 of texas politics i mean texas has got a group of radicals down there they're as radical as anybody

00:33:26.900 you see in los angeles anybody in chicago california new york texas have got them and the republican

00:33:35.940 quote-unquote establishment continues to empower them when they should have all power stripped from them

00:33:43.300 abraham george who are these people and why are we doing this well this is what happens when you

00:33:49.620 have a speaker elected by the democrat party basically even though he is a republican he ran

00:33:54.820 as a republican uh steve you were absolutely right these are the people you were i mean some of them

00:34:01.060 are worse than aoc aoc is a socialist this guy gene woo is a communist it's a huge difference i mean

00:34:09.060 he's the guy who was out on the on the on the microphone screaming racist when we said chinese

00:34:15.940 government cannot purchase land in texas this was this is the guy so we're looking at people like

00:34:22.100 that who is going to be in charge of redistricting uh in in texas in the next month or so this is the

00:34:29.540 craziest thing we expected to have some democrats in the committees but nothing like this so i don't know

00:34:36.980 what is going to be the end result i hope uh our senate as usual they will hold the line and

00:34:44.100 lieutenant governor dan patrick will hold the line and say no i'm not going to take these lines and i i'm

00:34:49.700 i'm really hopeful that we actually going to get an additional five seats in the texas i mean a u.s

00:34:55.620 house from texas because as you said we're going to need it uh to govern from 2026 to 2028.

00:35:02.260 no it's amazing we're going to work uh through the next couple days and get people up on the

00:35:07.700 ramparts uh abraham where do people go on social media to follow you in this fight down in the lone

00:35:12.900 star state well texas gop.org is the website you can you can follow us on social media texas gop

00:35:21.060 one thing i want your your audience to do is call their republican representative and tell them to hold

00:35:27.300 the line in texas house and make sure that we are actually going to get additional five seats this

00:35:33.220 has been a nightmare uh since this list came out uh but the republicans can still make this happen

00:35:41.540 and grassroots need to uh show up for that uh abraham thank you so much i'm sure we're going to have you

00:35:49.700 on here a lot this is a four-week session and this will this will be a climactic battle sometime in

00:35:56.580 mid-august sir i can guarantee you that because we shall get these five seats come hell or high

00:36:02.180 water thank you sir i appreciate you thank you i wanted to give the audience uh let the audience

00:36:08.660 know the battle for 26 has already started and where did it start in 22 it started exactly with

00:36:13.780 these redistricting and you're going to have they're going to play games in california new york

00:36:18.740 illinois you watch it's coming uh just a heads up there's going to be a a brutal fight but you got

00:36:24.820 to win these five in texas behind the scenes joe allen and we've had a lot of victories uh you've

00:36:30.180 gone all over the country you've met some of the senior people in ai i would say the good news in ai

00:36:35.220 there are many people that don't aren't associated with the politics of the maga movement or

00:36:40.340 um the um uh they they don't revere president trump like we revere president trump in the

00:36:47.700 maga movement and on the war room uh although it's not always perfect right like anything in life

00:36:53.620 um but on artificial intelligence we've actually built up a kind of a group that we can throw a

00:37:00.020 punch now and in the tech bros and oligarchs know that although they're there we are in such a

00:37:05.940 dangerous spot and i will tell you folks behind the scenes in washington dc there's not a more

00:37:12.100 brutal fight because people consider who controls artificial intelligence and who controls the

00:37:18.020 direction of it will control the future of this country in the future of the world so it couldn't be

00:37:22.980 more high stakes joe allen can you give us a report from the battlefield sir

00:37:27.060 well steve it's been a pretty amazing journey up to this point uh 55 days into my quest and i will be

00:37:37.780 home tomorrow i think that the most important thing that i've gained from all of this is a confidence

00:37:47.060 that this is not going to be just a one shot the oligarchs or the tech companies

00:37:56.900 just running roughshod over the public i don't see that at all uh that is coming from people that

00:38:03.060 i've spoken to everywhere from the middle of the country in uh little rock arkansas out to phoenix

00:38:11.140 arizona out to the west coast up into the the mountains of montana and wyoming and all the way over

00:38:18.260 to geneva switzerland even people who are at the center of creating artificial intelligence

00:38:25.540 even people who are working on brain computer interfaces and genetic engineering and things

00:38:31.700 that uh those of a more luddite persuasion would find very very objectionable they do not want to

00:38:38.100 turn the future of the country or the future of the world over to this tiny tiny set of

00:38:46.340 tech oligarchs and also all of the interests around them they want whatever to happen whatever may

00:38:53.300 happen they want that to be controlled and guided by the people whether that be the freedom to make

00:38:58.820 one's own personal choices or the ability to use state government to regulate this or hopefully on

00:39:07.140 down the line using the federal government to protect from the worst of the downsides of everything from

00:39:13.460 artificial intelligence to robotics to the bioengineering that we've been covering for so long now

00:39:18.980 what was your besides your journey by the way it's it's 50 your 55 days in your quest not 55 days to

00:39:28.980 peking just to make sure that we're not mixing those two that that great film the great film of the of the

00:39:35.540 1960s um talk to me about geneva because in geneva what we want to avoid because we just shot down and i want

00:39:44.180 to thank uh natalie for doing such a great job on the saturday show and of course noor bin laden who's

00:39:50.100 such a rare such a jewel uh we did shoot down the pandemic treaty you know marco rubio and bobby

00:39:56.820 kennedy stood up at the end and made sure that we weren't involved in that in geneva you do have people

00:40:02.580 that are worried about an unregulated ai where a handful of oligarchs have this you don't know what's

00:40:08.900 going on behind closed doors they're not quite as worried about the safety precautions as just

00:40:14.260 you know a land grab getting there first which a lot of this is about um however anything comes out

00:40:21.220 of a geneva it's got that davos it's got the control function of the globalist how did you compare and

00:40:27.300 contrast that people that are generally some people are generally worried about this versus you've still

00:40:32.340 got i mean geneva's the worst right it's it's it's the engine room of the un it's where the league of

00:40:37.860 nations was have you ever talked about the uh railhead of globalization they they have uh they have

00:40:44.500 davos in in a beautiful ski resort so people can enjoy themselves but it it it comes out of geneva

00:40:50.820 right it's the geneva mindset what was your what were your thoughts about uh about the uh the ai

00:40:56.820 for good conference you went to you know they it was very mixed as we reported at the time

00:41:04.660 you had uh very much an optimism that ultimately artificial intelligence would be used for good

00:41:13.460 meaning that it would be used to further the kinds of aims that do come out of the u.n davos and the

00:41:19.940 democratic party in the u.s so a lot of concern over the typical issues of ai bias as it relates to

00:41:28.900 minorities uh or the wealth disparity that would be created and again always kind of pulling at the

00:41:36.340 heartstrings of the the typical bleeding heart liberal but there was a convergence there too i

00:41:42.500 think there's an argument to be made from a very conservative standpoint that uh the biases of these

00:41:49.460 systems especially as they're adopted in schools in corporations as they're used in the government

00:41:55.940 that if you just simply fix the bias against minorities so that it then is used against the

00:42:02.900 majority of americans the kind of maga base and just the majority americans who are constantly

00:42:10.100 castigated for being a majority i think you end up with it just as bad of a problem so but it going to

00:42:16.100 geneva going to the entire flavor of the ai for good conference and a number of the conversations i had

00:42:22.500 with a ai experts who are extremely concerned about where this is going i think that one major

00:42:30.500 theme that comes out of it is that none of the frontier labs were represented at that gathering and

00:42:37.700 i don't think any of the frontier ai labs are really all that concerned about what the globalist

00:42:44.500 response is going to be to the models that they're trying to fast track and push out as fast as possible

00:42:50.100 uh nor i i fear steve are they that worried about what's going to happen here at home at least not

00:42:57.700 yet um the upcoming ai action plan that will be um announced and and unveiled on wednesday

00:43:06.900 unless there's something in there that's going to be very very surprising the people who are going to

00:43:12.100 set the safety standards and regulations are most likely going to be those european nations that were

00:43:18.660 gathered uh in geneva or worst case scenario those standards and safety measures will be put in

00:43:25.620 place by china unless the u.s gets there first

00:43:32.820 talk to explain the audience i want to make sure you get the nomenclature when you say frontier labs

00:43:37.620 explain what that is and and i know that's different than our national labs and what used to be called the

00:43:42.740 weapons labs which by the way the frontier labs have made a play to control but when you say frontier

00:43:48.500 labs be specific what do you mean so a frontier lab just simply means that ai is producing

00:43:56.180 models that are at the frontier of capabilities the four that are i think unquestionable are google open ai

00:44:06.180 xai and anthropic and what's interesting about that list of frontier labs is you can see the history

00:44:14.980 of this this race towards creating artificial general and intel artificial general intelligence

00:44:22.020 and artificial super intelligence this all began with google really uh putting forth a lot of resources

00:44:30.100 in deep mind in order to create the agi that we hear about so much today this is 2013 or so then of course

00:44:39.220 2015 sam altman elon musk found open ai as a competitor in that race to create agi artificial godlike

00:44:50.740 intelligence and then due to a number of disagreements there elon musk spins off and also

00:44:56.900 dario amadei spins off from open ai to create xai and anthropic respectively so in all of these companies

00:45:06.020 these are the ones when people talk about the the the top level ai when people are willing to pay

00:45:11.780 a ton of money potentially uh to replace uh hundreds or even thousands of their workers they're talking

00:45:19.220 about the models created by these companies and everyone else from the the lower level companies

00:45:24.100 like meta or uh the baidu or alibaba or tencent in china that they are all racing to keep up even with

00:45:33.220 those companies who are way way beyond and the frontier models of course are the ones that are

00:45:38.980 run they're being developed at the behest of people who openly speak about how their models will replace

00:45:47.860 maybe most maybe all human jobs at the the people who are pushing to create these models oftentimes talk

00:45:56.500 about how there's a 10 to 20 percent chance that what they create could kill some most or every person

00:46:06.420 on earth so i i think it's really important to know that when these these companies talk about the

00:46:13.780 benefits and the the glowing possibilities of artificial intelligence it's not a secret sitting behind

00:46:20.740 that is either a fear or some kind of strange morbid maybe even sadistic desire uh that the what they

00:46:29.460 are building is some kind of frankenstein's monster what they're building will either displace and

00:46:35.140 disempower all people or just simply destroy us and i that alone should be enough for the u.s government and

00:46:43.780 all governments around the world to at least want to keep a handle on it and not uh you know

00:46:49.140 pussyfoot around and simply talk about restraining the worst aspects of racism sexism or homophobia

00:46:55.700 or on the other side on our side of the aisle to worry about something as silly as woke ai

00:47:02.580 by the way uh the um anthropic i think anthropic is the only ceo to really support the fact that hey

00:47:10.580 he's open about it that you could lose 50 of mid-management jobs in two or three years

00:47:15.620 he thinks it could be and he's saying hey something's got to be thought through on that

00:47:19.460 because right now his belief is that they're going for an efficiency model which is just to blow

00:47:24.420 everybody out and replace it with ai and ai managers real quickly uh elmo elon musk announced

00:47:31.460 today grok for children grok for infants that'll be made available to schools or to children uh how

00:47:38.900 potentially dangerous is that to have grok because one of the things you talk about is apathy you can you

00:47:44.260 can see with people that are using ai their reasoning skills they just punch it in and get the complete

00:47:49.700 answer you don't need to do the research you don't need to do the sweat you don't need to do your own

00:47:54.180 connecting of the dots which is how your synapses start to fire when you got that feeling hey i'm

00:47:59.620 actually learning something how how dangerous is this right now of grok for kids yeah this i i suppose is

00:48:08.260 a response to the outcry about the previous ai companion models that xai put out uh the two

00:48:15.540 grok companions ani uh the kind of gothic sex bot and some other cartoon character so at the time the one

00:48:26.020 of the main companions that musk put out there is an obviously sexualized you know nymphoid that would

00:48:34.820 you know allow lonely people to um have some companionship but the age restriction i believe

00:48:41.620 was somewhere around 12 years old and so of course there was an outcry about this well are you just

00:48:47.060 literally going to give porn bots to young kids and so i suppose that this is some kind of damage

00:48:54.100 control that uh to create a baby grok for little kids to learn to associate with i mean you know there's

00:49:02.020 three different levels to this really steve the first what you just described there that human

00:49:08.100 atrophy the obvious result of people outsourcing their cognition to these machines is that they get

00:49:15.380 dumber and they want to roll this out to as many children on earth as possible as teachers elon musk

00:49:23.140 is also saying this he said that every child will have their own personal einstein and these ai companions

00:49:29.940 which are just at the seed phase really just in the last few years these ai companions build

00:49:35.860 emotional bonds they build trust and they also build up the idea that this is an authority i can

00:49:41.300 turn to for what is real musk is just jumping straight into this as reckless as all the others

00:49:47.220 but even darker is that companionship sort of model so that lonely people or even people who have

00:49:53.380 otherwise normal social lives begin to bond with non-human intelligences that are simply lines of

00:49:59.780 code powered by electricity and then of course as those bonds form and you know we've talked about

00:50:06.660 this a lot it's just i'm just going to put that out there because we are going to hear a lot about

00:50:10.980 this as people begin to bond with these machines they're going to see them as beings that are worthy

00:50:17.220 of rights that are conscious beings that are looking back at them this is already happening but i see this

00:50:22.500 as a growing trend one of many reasons for us to keep a an eye on this and a handle on this

00:50:30.980 joe where do people go get all your great writings on this topic the book and all the writings

00:50:37.060 right now i'm putting up a lot of stuff on my social media at joe b-o-t-x-y-z and joebot.xyz

00:50:43.380 dot xyz uh looking forward to covering what's coming up on wednesday uh the rest of weeks do you

00:50:49.780 thank you very much yeah yeah no we're gonna have you back on tomorrow to give a preview of it when

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WarRoom Battleground EP 812： Brennan And Co. The Complete Coverup

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