Bannon's War Room - July 25, 2025


WarRoom Battleground EP 815： BREAKING： Outrage As Vatican Appoints Priest Imprisoned For Distributing Child Porn To Senior Post


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A priest who had been imprisoned inside the Vatican for four years for possession of child pornography has just been reinstated in his position in the Secretariat of State, which has the responsibility for relations with the states. Liz Yor has the details on this.

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00:01:19.000 Folks, you remember last week we discussed the horror story coming out of France, 0.55
00:01:24.000 where a priest who had been in prison for four years for repeatedly raping a 16-year-old boy had been promoted to the number three position in the diocese.
00:01:40.000 He was made chancellor.
00:01:42.000 That's caused a lot of consternation in France.
00:01:44.000 Frank Walker will be up a little later on the show with the developments on that story.
00:01:48.000 We've also got something that will interest, especially, I hope, the left, the political left of the spectrum,
00:01:54.000 which likes to go on and on about the fact that Europe is so much more civilized than the United States.
00:02:01.000 Well, here's the very heart of geographical Europe, Switzerland, considered by many to be the exemplar of continental Europe.
00:02:10.000 Horror story coming out of Switzerland, where the over 85s have seen a fourfold increase in the suicide rates there.
00:02:20.000 And we'll be discussing what that might mean also for the United States as well.
00:02:25.000 I'll be talking a little later on in the show about the maneuvers in Washington state to get priests to break the seal of the confessional.
00:02:38.000 But before that, here's an astonishing story detailing how a priest who had been imprisoned inside the Vatican in a Vatican jail for, I think, four years for possessing huge amounts of pornography,
00:02:56.000 and specifically child pornography, has just been reinstated in his position in the Secretariat of State, specifically the second section, which has the responsibility for the relations with the states.
00:03:11.000 Liz Yor has the details on this. Liz, Liz, I know you've been following this closely.
00:03:16.000 Tell me, is this as horrific as it sounds?
00:03:20.000 It has been, you know, the Vatican is showing once again how tone deaf it is, rules for the but not for me.
00:03:29.000 I mean, it is shocking to me.
00:03:31.000 Full disclosure, my background in law enforcement was one of the things that I did was create the National Cyber Tip Line,
00:03:39.000 which allows Americans and people actually around the world to report child pornography into a hotline and we pass on those leads to law enforcement.
00:03:50.000 We have here this Father Carlo Capella, who I remember this case very clearly in 2017.
00:03:58.000 And I will give you kind of my insight from behind the scenes, not particularly about this case, but what this case is telling me.
00:04:06.000 He was an ordained priest in the Archdiocese of Milan.
00:04:10.000 He went into the diplomatic corps, which meant that he was part of the Secretary of State's office.
00:04:17.000 And he was assigned to the most prestigious, one would argue, embassy, the U.S. Embassy, the Vatican Nunticature Inn in Washington, D.C.
00:04:29.000 This priest, Father Capella, went apparently in 2017 during a Christmas vacation to Canada.
00:04:39.000 The Canadian officials, I presume it was the Royal Mounted Police, notified law enforcement and issued a nationwide arrest warrant for this cleric on charges of possession and distribution of child pornography.
00:04:57.000 And when he was on vacation in Windsor, Ontario, this to me is absolutely this case is really emblematic of we know here that there is a great there's a great problem with child pornography in in the clerical state. 0.57
00:05:15.000 In 2013, the Vatican issued new supposedly tougher guidelines until the U.S. State Department also notified the Holy See that there was this arrest warrant.
00:05:28.000 And asked the Holy See to waive a diplomatic immunity.
00:05:33.000 They did not. And this priest fled to Rome.
00:05:37.000 Fortunately, the Vatican charged him and they have a criminal court, as you know, Ben, in the Vatican, as well as a canonical court.
00:05:46.000 He was found to have more than 40 criminal images and videos, which he shared on social media.
00:05:54.000 And Liz, let me just stop you here. 0.99
00:05:58.000 I need a clarification. Occasionally, when people get investigated by the police for having dodgy images on their phone, it's something they may have received via WhatsApp or WhatsApp group.
00:06:10.000 And of course, WhatsApp stores all the images that you receive automatically.
00:06:16.000 So anyone adept at managing a phone will be able to go in there and they'll just scan and say, oh, look, there was this image there or that image there.
00:06:23.000 So this isn't I just want to I know you said this that they were talking about 40 images here, but this isn't a case where anyone even giving the best will in the world can somewhat innocently say, oh, look, I don't know who sent this to me.
00:06:36.000 You know, I told them to stop doing it or what have you.
00:06:39.240 This is this is not only possession of images, but as you were just saying, just underline this point, possession and distribution.
00:06:49.000 Right.
00:06:49.560 There's no just there's no there's no there's no generous interpretation one can give to this child pornography.
00:06:58.560 This computer of this priest came to the attention of the Royal Canadian Mountain Police.
00:07:05.560 This was a computer that they were very concerned about by the I would argue the amount of child pornography that was on and the nature of child pornography.
00:07:16.560 You know, I won't go into details, but the videos of child pornography are so horrendous and so vile.
00:07:25.560 And, you know, the the victims in these cases, we argue in law enforcement that every time these videos are shared, these children are re victimized.
00:07:37.560 And so arguably these children are re victimized for a lifetime, millions of times around the world.
00:07:45.560 Well, the Vatican criminal court convicted him.
00:07:50.560 He pled actually guilty, I believe, and he received five years and a fine.
00:07:55.560 He was allowed under they could have given him up to 12 years.
00:08:00.560 But, you know, again, in reading this article, it was quite interesting when he was sitting in jail after being convicted.
00:08:07.560 And he had several visitors from the secretary of state's department and he was released.
00:08:15.560 He was not layer sized.
00:08:18.560 Unlike many priests, he was not, you know, sent out to pasture like, you know, many priests who want to say the Latin mass.
00:08:27.560 No, he was reinstated at the secretary of state's office, the premier, highly prominent, a diplomatic corps in the Vatican, which, you know, to me is number one, rewarding bad behavior.
00:08:45.560 And number two, the statements then coming out of the Vatican are just shocking.
00:08:50.560 They wanted to give him mercy, show mercy to him.
00:08:54.560 And, you know, let me stop.
00:08:56.560 Let me come in on this one. Right.
00:08:59.560 Because it's really the issue.
00:09:01.560 And I don't want to preempt the story that Frank's going to go into in more detail later on in the show.
00:09:09.560 But have you noticed the language almost is word for word?
00:09:14.560 Because I know you've also been studying the situation of the French, I think it's Toulouse, the French archdiocese.
00:09:20.560 Have you noticed that the language here in terms of the mercy is almost identical word for word?
00:09:26.560 Here's my question to you. Do you think studying these these two cases specifically that there might be some kind of Vatican secret protocol here on the rehabilitation of priests who've been convicted of.
00:09:45.560 Some kind of sexual offense in order to have to bring them back to mainstream them to normalize if that would be the right word for this context, because I'm curious about the similarity of the wording here in this case and the French case as well.
00:10:03.560 And it's exactly what you're talking about here about the mercy.
00:10:06.560 It is. And, you know, it's political favoritism. I think that's what's going on in in the Vatican, that their favorites.
00:10:13.560 And by the way, this priest was ordained by none other than Cardinal Martini, who was the founder of the St.
00:10:22.560 Golland Mafia, friend of Cardinal McCarrick.
00:10:25.560 Obviously, this young priest was on a fast track in the diplomatic corps.
00:10:31.560 And, you know, it is shocking to read the statements from the Vatican saying that these crimes were a bump in the road and that he was experiencing a period of fragility because he moved to the Washington embassy.
00:10:46.560 I mean, he wasn't sent to Sudan. He wasn't sent to Nigeria or Yemen.
00:10:51.560 He was sent to the most prestigious embassy in the world.
00:10:55.560 It is shocking to me that once again, Ben, the victims are ignored.
00:11:01.560 And here was really a teaching moment for the church to talk about the dignity of children and the exploitation of the Internet and by people.
00:11:12.560 And in my reading of this story, in my opinion, there was a tremendous amount of child pornography on his computer.
00:11:21.560 So much so that the U.S. and Canada both were demanding action and that this priest submit himself to jurisdiction in the United States.
00:11:32.560 You know, this this was a serious case of child pornography.
00:11:36.560 And yet and yet what did we see?
00:11:39.560 You know, basically, his the Vatican, you know, said his hands are our hands are washed.
00:11:45.560 He's we're putting him back because after all, where is he going?
00:11:48.560 What is he going? What is he going to do?
00:11:50.560 Well, we know of bishops and priests in America who've done nothing wrong and have been sent out to pasture with no kind of mercy just because they love the Latin mass.
00:12:01.560 Right. And yet here a man who violated the innocence of children by not only downloading child pornography, but sharing it, sharing it around the world.
00:12:13.560 I mean, just imagine. And and they want to say, oh, bump in the road of his clerical career and back.
00:12:20.560 And back he's back in charge writing speeches for the Vatican secretary of state and doing the important work.
00:12:28.560 And, you know, a person like that in a place where they're assigning priests all over the world as diplomats.
00:12:35.560 I mean, this to me is shows the Vatican is not taking these crimes seriously after 50 years.
00:12:42.560 They you know, this is an issue that they should be sounding the alarm.
00:12:47.560 And yet again, they demonstrate that they're tone deaf and that they are not going to protect children.
00:12:55.560 So it's to me, we to me, let's see what Leo does with this case. Right.
00:13:01.560 Let's see what Pope Leo sends is, you know, looks at this case and puts this guy out to pasture.
00:13:07.560 He does not belong in the church. He can go to a monastery as a as a civilian and pray for the rest of his life and do penance.
00:13:16.560 But this man should not wear a Roman collar.
00:13:20.560 And that's pretty much what Benedict imposed on Marcel Maisel, wasn't it?
00:13:25.560 Have I mixed that up in my memory?
00:13:28.560 Look, my final question to you on this, because then we have to move on.
00:13:33.560 But you mentioned back in under in 2017, when this case first arose that the US is going to be the Trump administration.
00:13:46.560 Right.
00:13:47.560 The first Trump administration asked the Vatican to lift the diplomatic immunity on this guy who was basically who was a full fully fledged diplomatic official working for the for the nuncio to the nuncio, who must have been Viganò at that time.
00:14:04.560 Right. I think 2017 and the Vatican refused.
00:14:08.560 They declined to waive diplomatic immunity.
00:14:11.560 Let me just ask you a quick question. Right. Give me one minute on this.
00:14:15.560 Do you think there's any possibility this guy holds compromise on on it on on on looking at how quick his he and unorthodox his his reintegration has been back within the secretary to state?
00:14:32.560 Do you think he might have something on his files that gives him an easier negotiating hand?
00:14:38.560 Well, one is left with that impression, aren't they?
00:14:42.560 And in fact, I don't think Viganò Viganò, I think, was gone by then, if I'm not mistaken.
00:14:47.560 He was let go by Pope Francis.
00:14:50.560 This was under Pope Francis.
00:14:52.560 And, you know, any other pope would have said, yes, he should submit himself to the jurisdiction of the United States for investigation and punishment.
00:15:04.560 But this guy was really fast track even through his criminal investigation and the Vatican.
00:15:13.560 And the fact that they didn't laicize him when the laws and norms in the Vatican passed in 2013 provided for that.
00:15:21.560 So you're left with the impression, oh, he is one of the favorite ones and we are going to exercise mercy instead of judgment on this guy.
00:15:31.560 And so nothing's changed.
00:15:34.560 And to me, this sends a loud and clear message, not only to the Vatican, to all those priests that are violating these laws, but also to the people in the pews that we have to demand justice and a change in in the attitude towards these sexual crimes, which are horrendous.
00:15:58.560 Horrendous in which, you know, they say, oh, well, there was no contact with children, not on the computer.
00:16:05.560 There wasn't by this priest, but on the computer, you would see these children being assaulted by other people.
00:16:12.560 OK, Liz, thanks very much for that breakdown.
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00:17:53.560 So, moving on with the theme of the Vatican approving the rehabilitation, the reintegration of priests who have been convicted of sexual crimes.
00:18:12.560 And both the case we're just discussing and the one that we're going to discuss now are actually crimes against children.
00:18:18.560 Let's go back to Frank Walker, who was telling us last week about this case in Toulouse.
00:18:24.560 Frank, I know you've been following this very closely, but all is not well in the French Catholic Church, right?
00:18:31.560 There's been a fraternal correction against this bishop.
00:18:35.560 First of all, before you give us the details on this, why don't you just remind us what a fraternal correction is and what it involves in the Catholic environment?
00:18:47.560 Well, I think, yeah, in terms of morality, it's when you correct somebody for doing something immoral and you do it in love, even though it's critical.
00:18:57.560 And, you know, it's just a way to remind us that you're trying to help this person overcome his sins and get to heaven.
00:19:04.560 So that's what a fraternal correction is. And this priest, I mean, this bishop, Bishop Girard from the Vivier Diocese has corrected the Toulouse bishop, who is the one with his chancellor, who is still a priest after many, many years of public outcry and prison over forcibly raping a teenage boy.
00:19:27.560 And now he and he, you know, before that, he was vocations director.
00:19:33.560 He worked in children's ministry after these things became known, and he then he was moved to an important position in this diocese.
00:19:42.560 And he was already before this Toulouse bishop was there. The previous one had him as vice chancellor.
00:19:47.720 This guy just moved him up. But I think it's become especially famous because he's been so careless.
00:19:53.560 This bishop of Toulouse has been so careless about talking about the mercy.
00:19:58.260 What are we supposed to do with him? How can he move forward?
00:20:02.260 He's like, it's like a death sentence if we just don't let him continue to be a monsignor and be an important advisor to the diocese.
00:20:09.880 So this bishop has from, Vivier has intervened and said, I don't think that the priests and the faithful understand all this, what you call mercy.
00:20:18.280 What happened to mercy for the victims?
00:20:19.940 And it's only been a month since he's been appointed to this position.
00:20:25.560 Maybe, perhaps, we'll see some movement on this that he'll, you know, retract what he's actually said, because he hasn't really quite done that yet.
00:20:32.960 He's just continued to make these kinds of bleeding Francis mercy statements.
00:20:39.980 And, you know, it's a way to see what is the Labner Mafia. 0.66
00:20:43.920 There's a report that says this victim of Father Spina, is the name of the guy, himself, tried to get in a seminary many times, but they screened him out.
00:20:53.500 They would not let him get near it.
00:20:54.900 He's also victimized somebody who's accused of showing pornography to other young, to children and attacking a 14-year-old woman.
00:21:05.020 So it's just a, it's a whole generational problem in the church.
00:21:09.180 Frank, repeat that.
00:21:10.440 Just zoom out and repeat what you've just said.
00:21:13.520 The victim here, this guy who was 16 years old, I think back in 93, 94, when he was repeatedly raped by Father Spina, the victim, has now, if I've understood this correctly, as a teacher, he did go into the seminary, if I'm not mistaken, but was refused.
00:21:35.760 So he's now a teacher, correct me if I've got this wrong, and he himself, the victim, the guy who had his life turned upside down by this Catholic priest who's now number three, number two or number three in the Toulouse Diocese.
00:21:50.760 This victim, become an adult, become an adult, become a teacher, has now perpetrated the same category of crimes.
00:22:02.620 I don't think, I don't know if he's, if he's actually, no, there are accusations, I think, that he was, that he was molesting a young girl, right?
00:22:09.580 And, um, Frank, just tell me something.
00:22:12.480 I had a different question for you, but seeing as you raise this, tell me something.
00:22:16.180 Does that not make Father Spina's crimes worse, in effect?
00:22:21.140 Because what he did to this young kid, in a sense, has so ruined him, as so often happens in cases of sexual abuse of children,
00:22:29.280 that he himself is now within this paradigm of, of, of child sex abuse, and he's repeating the offense.
00:22:37.540 Doesn't that make, doesn't that sort of make the crimes even more grave with regards to Father Spina?
00:22:44.180 It does, it does.
00:22:45.660 It was already a very grave crime anyway, and it also speaks to what are we dealing with in terms of this culture, 1.00
00:22:51.300 of the culture of, of, of, abused victims, trying to become priests, becoming abuser priests,
00:22:58.180 and then becoming protector bishops, like this bishop in Toulouse, who there's a nice picture of him,
00:23:03.560 tandem, hang gliding, and all of this mercy and everything.
00:23:07.120 There's a, uh, there's, there, there's a ratting out of each other at all different levels of the generational
00:23:13.200 Lavender Mafia Church, and then there's also this strong desire from the Pope, from Francis and Leo, 0.93
00:23:19.340 I think, on down to try to normalize it, to try to make everyone else think that this is okay,
00:23:26.280 look the other way because of mercy. So I think there's two things that are coming out here,
00:23:30.680 and you can see it played out, and Benedict had the right idea. People with homosexual tendencies 0.52
00:23:36.120 should not be part of the priesthood, and if you want to know why, just look at this situation. I mean,
00:23:41.500 no, not every, but homosexuals are guilty of all these crimes, but how do you separate, how do you 0.99
00:23:48.540 prevent it? You have to go back to the baseline, which is, what is the Catholic teaching? What is
00:23:53.280 it that's required? Because this isn't the first time in our time that this kind of thing has become
00:23:58.580 a problem among priests and bishops. It's been, it's been quite a while, and this is how it was
00:24:03.560 always dealt with in the past. So we have a Lavender Mafia, and that's why they're so careless and 1.00
00:24:08.620 completely toned up, and, uh, and it goes all the way up to the level. And what will Leo do about
00:24:14.580 this? Well, Francis protected all sorts of people. He protected, um, uh, the, um, Rupnick. He protected
00:24:21.700 the guy at the head of the Vatican Bank, Monsignor Rica, uh, Gustavo Zancada. Why do the popes not do
00:24:27.960 anything? Why, why do they just let, I mean, look at the, uh, the guy who's the head of the CDF right
00:24:31.980 now, um, Kissy Fernandez and, and his gay blessings. They're making it worse. They're not, they're not 1.00
00:24:39.080 dealing with it at all. And especially when it comes to the Pope, because this guy, this guy's
00:24:43.540 not metropolitan, who's fraternally corrected, this Bishop of Toulouse. This has been something
00:24:48.580 that they planned out. We're going to have a minor guy make a correction, but where's the
00:24:53.480 Archbishop of Paris? What are they going to actually do about this? Let me ask you this,
00:24:59.680 because I see a huge parallel between the story here in France and the one about the reintegration
00:25:05.840 of this guy, um, Father Capella in the Vatican. They seem basically identical to me, more or
00:25:12.080 less. Um, let me ask you the question. Let me throw at you the same question that I asked
00:25:18.500 Liz Yor, um, and you've got like a minute before we hit the break. Perhaps we'll come back to
00:25:24.460 you afterwards. Given, I mean, first of all, do you see a similarity between the phraseology
00:25:30.780 being used to defend the appointment to this guy as chancellor? Same phraseology, right? As
00:25:37.580 what they're using to defend this, this guy in the Vatican being integrated back into the
00:25:42.340 secretary of state. Do you, when you see this basically the same word for words being used
00:25:47.680 in two very similar cases, do you get a suspicion that there might be a secret protocol in the
00:25:54.680 Vatican for, for bishops to use to, in the part of the, let's use that, let's stay on that
00:25:59.740 word of normalization of reintegrating, uh, people who really should no longer be in the
00:26:05.480 priesthood. Do you think there is what I'm asking you specifically, do you think there's
00:26:09.360 a Vatican direction here that, that laity don't know about that they're depending on now to
00:26:15.020 implement a new policy? Yes. They, they use certain words. They're carefully tested words.
00:26:21.480 They have a new religion. And so that they use the same words over and over again. And that's
00:26:26.100 why you see consistency right across the board. The, the, the nuncio, uh, the guy who worked
00:26:30.800 in the, for the secretary of state, he was, he was rehabilitated by, uh, Archbishop Gallagher.
00:26:35.220 According to that story, it was very important, high level Bishop. They, they, it's just like
00:26:39.620 all of the doctrinal goals that they have here. They had the same goal. I think they have a goal
00:26:44.680 of normalizing this and they're using these perp charges, these church charges to make it
00:26:48.480 that happen, you know, and it's only in the lavender mafia. There's a Bishop, a Latin message.
00:26:53.480 Frank, Frank, hold on. We'll be back in two minutes. We'll continue this point in two minutes
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00:31:02.680 Welcome back. Frank, why don't you continue the point that you were making before the break,
00:31:17.520 and then I'm going to ask you this question, or integrate it into your response, okay?
00:31:22.080 In this case here, in the story that we're discussing specifically about the nomination
00:31:27.440 of this convicted child rapist to the number three position of Toulouse, and just for the
00:31:36.140 record, it goes like this. In a diocese, in a Catholic diocese, bishop in as number one,
00:31:41.900 vicar general in as number two, and then the chancellor of the diocese in at number three.
00:31:47.100 Normally, that's the convention. So, the reintegration of this guy. Here's a question
00:31:52.920 I have for you, Frank, and it was a question I could have also asked Lizior discussing the
00:31:57.740 similar case in the Vatican. Why has there been zero reference from any of the people defending
00:32:06.740 these two reintegrations of the need, zero reference of the need to avoid scandal here
00:32:15.520 towards the faithful, the laity? No reference to scandal whatsoever. What do you make of that,
00:32:23.340 Frank? Well, because I think that they really don't have remorse for what they're doing. This
00:32:31.160 is a practical problem to them. The Bishop of Toulouse says, these victims, they need to stop
00:32:37.540 thinking of themselves as victims so much. They're more than just victims. They don't have, they don't,
00:32:44.780 they don't think like, like most people think. There's a huge gap between them and Catholics,
00:32:51.960 between them and regular decent people. And I think that's why they don't, they don't talk about
00:32:58.640 the scandal at all. This bishop from the other diocese with the Making the Correction, he said,
00:33:03.360 I don't think that people understand that you need to have mercy on the victims too. And in the public,
00:33:08.720 they don't understand it, but he, he didn't really elaborate on it. But I think that it's hard for us
00:33:13.280 to understand the way this network of bishops and priests and victims that are part of it, the way
00:33:20.800 that they think about these things. We need to change according to them. We need to change the way we
00:33:26.620 think. We're rubes. We are holding onto this silly old Catholic doctrine. They don't have that problem
00:33:32.480 because of the mercy. Yeah. You know, once you start off on the position of modernism and
00:33:43.160 redefining the Catholic faith, it's like a typical revolution. It builds a momentum of its own. 0.82
00:33:51.840 Look at this quote here that the bishop here of Toulouse, the guy who reintegrated the, this
00:33:59.460 convicted child rapist as chancellor of the diocese, Bishop de Kerimel, he defended this appointment
00:34:07.700 saying that not to show mercy is to lock the abuser into a social death. It is to re-establish a form
00:34:18.820 of death penalty. And that's a very strange formulation of words. It's a very strange
00:34:28.500 formulation of ideas as well. Because from one perspective, from my point of view, I'm sure
00:34:33.920 from your point of view, I'm sure from your point of view, the death penalty is not only
00:34:40.500 licit under Catholic theology. It's actually obligatory, as it were, in certain category of
00:34:46.420 cases. Not to execute justice for the state. Not to execute justice is a form of injustice.
00:34:52.420 And of course, it has direct warrant from the words of God himself back in Genesis, right?
00:35:01.420 Basically, who spills the blood of man, by man his blood must also be spilled. And that's
00:35:07.760 pre-Mosaic. So don't start bombarding me liberal Catholics with the idea that Jesus Christ has
00:35:14.140 rewritten the Mosaic law. This is pre-Moses, right back in the beginning of Genesis. Let's look
00:35:20.700 at those words again. Not to show mercy is to lock the abuser into a social death. It
00:35:26.960 is to re-establish a form of death penalty. Do you have any observations on that as a justification
00:35:33.420 for reintegrating a convicted child rapist as the number three in the diocese? Just give
00:35:41.240 me your take on that.
00:35:42.080 That they have absolutely no remorse. They have no, they don't understand the conception
00:35:48.420 of justice. They call justice a social death. When everybody else, they need that social death
00:35:55.420 to happen. That person brought that social death on himself. Please, can we please have
00:36:00.900 some social death? That's what's really needed. But for him to say that, and you're right, those
00:36:06.800 are tried and tested words, it sounds exactly like Pope Francis. Francis loved to visit prisons.
00:36:13.840 And every time he went to a prison, he would say, you know, I could be here just as easily
00:36:17.300 as anybody else. And, you know, people are like, well, I believe you. But, yeah. The guy
00:36:27.180 is completely clueless about what the regular people need. He doesn't understand justice at
00:36:32.340 all, especially for some people who are guilty of these sorts of crimes.
00:36:37.880 Yeah. It's a shocking story, and I'm sure that we're going to have further developments
00:36:42.840 on this, which we'll be bringing to the war room posse as time goes on. Just one final
00:36:49.580 reaction from me on this, and then we're going to go to Jenny, because I know she's got a few
00:36:52.580 points she wants to say. You say that they have no remorse. You know, the kind of person,
00:36:58.680 the kind of psychological profile a person has not to have any remorse whatsoever? Sociopaths.
00:37:05.680 Psychopaths, right? That are very much concerned, confirms my own thesis, that the Vatican, certainly
00:37:12.920 under Pope Francis, is basically been taken over, not simply by modernists, but by a bunch
00:37:21.240 of clinical sociopaths. Stand by Frank, we'll come back to you a little later on in the show. Jenny,
00:37:27.140 I know you've got some observations to both of these stories. Do you want to tie them together?
00:37:32.100 What do you have for us? Yeah, thanks, Ben. I really want to stress the broader context of these two
00:37:39.440 very upsetting stories, and that is that our age will be defined by the over-sexualization or the
00:37:48.980 sexualization of children, especially in digital spaces, and also extreme, a culture of extreme
00:37:57.220 promiscuity among young people. And both of these things have done enormous psychic and spiritual and
00:38:04.880 emotional and even economic harm to two generations of people. And in that context, what would you be,
00:38:15.840 what are you doing if the very institution that is supposed to be offering moral authority and a
00:38:24.140 place of salvation is actually yet another snake pit of the very type of sin that you have been
00:38:34.160 damaged by and you are seeking refuge from? I mean, this is, on a spiritual level, an exponentially worse
00:38:43.180 crime than even the criminal level, which is obviously very bad. If I were a mother of a child
00:38:51.140 who is suffering either having been exposed to extreme pornography or, God forbid, having been
00:38:57.520 harmed directly by a molester or just is confused in this culture of excess that young people live in
00:39:06.900 today, I would have deep, deep qualms about referring that child to a priest at this point after
00:39:14.780 listening to these two stories. And I had hoped that given the terrible scandals of the last many decades,
00:39:21.940 frankly, that they would have learned their lesson. And that seems to be not the case at all. In fact,
00:39:27.180 if anything, they're doing the opposite. And they're taking this tack, trying to win over the youth by
00:39:34.500 participating in a sort of benign form of youth culture. And I was just reading something recently
00:39:40.200 in The Guardian about these sort of hip, trendy priests who have big Instagram accounts. And
00:39:47.040 they're always talking about love. And this is the thing that I find interesting. And it goes back to a
00:39:52.500 bit of what we were talking about last week about the incorruptible, soon-to-be saint,
00:39:58.320 Pier Giorgio. It's always about love. And that's well and good. But what exactly do they mean by that
00:40:05.500 if it's not grounded in morality? And it's certainly not grounded in scripture. Never have I come across,
00:40:15.800 in all of these stories I have read, any priest, any sort of elite hierarchical member of the church
00:40:23.040 giving a scriptural argument or answer to these terrible crimes.
00:40:32.060 The way you were mentioning in the earlier part of your remarks, Jenny, and I'm glad you did,
00:40:37.140 because it gives me the opportunity just to throw in just one of the few words in Greek I actually know,
00:40:44.220 to scandalon, to scandalon. Obviously, we take in English as scandal. And to scandalon is a stumbling
00:40:55.460 block, as many people who've studied a little bit of scripture will know, stumbling block. It is
00:41:00.580 something that we obviously Christians are to avoid, because it is putting an obstacle in the path of
00:41:08.400 others towards their journey in faith. And that's why, you know, the question I asked Frank Walker
00:41:16.940 earlier as well, why is there no reference in any of what they're doing to scandal? It's because it's
00:41:23.580 a concept that they would have absolutely no words to rebut their actions with, because what they're
00:41:29.020 doing is scandalous. In that sense of the word, it is actually putting obstacles in people's paths
00:41:34.880 and teaching them, if that's the right word, teaching the laity not to trust the Catholic
00:41:42.260 Church. Jenny, hold on, because I know you're going to break down this story coming out of
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00:42:59.340 closing 10 minutes of the show to the geographical heart of continental Europe, Switzerland. Not a million miles
00:43:08.360 away from where you are right now, Jenny. Held as a beacon for many progressives around the world,
00:43:16.140 certainly in the United States. And yet their treatment of the elderly is something, I think,
00:43:22.900 of a warning, right? Fourfold increase in the suicide rate of over 85-year-olds. Firstly, tell us a bit about
00:43:32.580 what's happened in Switzerland and then give us your warning of what will happen for the United States
00:43:38.440 if the Democrats and the progressive voices have their way in legalizing assisted suicide.
00:43:51.960 Yeah, sure. Yeah, of course. Switzerland is famous the world over for being this ultra-liberal
00:43:57.360 humanist place and has long had very lax or not really any laws at all surrounding
00:44:07.140 suicide and helping people commit suicide. And for years, it was the place where if you were given
00:44:16.420 a terrible diagnosis of a degenerative fatal condition, it was always presented as this very
00:44:23.300 humane alternative where you could go and your family could go with you and be spared the terrible
00:44:28.640 degradation of the body in the process of dying. Well, lo and behold, we now see that, be that as it
00:44:37.700 may, what's actually happening is that they are killing ever larger numbers of elderly people and
00:44:49.220 specifically elderly women. And I think that the headline, the number in the headline is the
00:44:54.440 absolute standout number, that since 2003, there's been an 825% increase in assisted suicides being
00:45:05.040 meted out to Swiss citizens. And it is increasingly elderly that are undergoing this, and it is increasingly
00:45:13.920 women. So the message being sent to elderly women is they have no place in society, they have no inherent
00:45:21.920 value, they are a burden on everyone, and therefore they should kill themselves. And if that's not a dystopian
00:45:29.440 horror, I don't know what is.
00:45:32.140 Jenny, let me ask Denver if they could kindly pull that headline back. That's a higher figure than the one that my
00:45:39.680 researcher had pulled up, which was the suicide rate for people over the age of 85 has quadrupled.
00:45:45.500 Let's bring that headline back here that says assisted suicides are up 825% since 2003.
00:45:55.820 Tell me a bit then.
00:45:56.640 In 20 years.
00:45:57.080 In 20 years, right? That really is a horror story. Just if you wouldn't mind, because I was unaware of
00:46:05.700 this before doing my research for today's show, there is a difference between how men commit suicide
00:46:12.900 and how women commit suicide, right? Just tell us what that difference is.
00:46:18.920 Yeah.
00:46:19.660 And then what the warning here, specifically to women, is with regards to the assisted suicide agenda.
00:46:27.940 Yeah. Well, in this article, and I think a few others that I was reading before coming on to speak
00:46:32.860 with you, the difference is largely that women tend to be diagnosed more often with psychiatric
00:46:41.100 and depressive disorders, and they therefore seek assisted dying for those disorders, which to me is
00:46:49.320 really absolutely not what the original humane argument was for assisted dying, which was you are
00:46:59.580 going to die soon anyway. Therefore, there's an argument. There is a certain moral logic to that.
00:47:07.680 But if you are depressed, or if you are sad because you have lost a loved one, or if you have a mental
00:47:15.120 illness, then having access to doctors that will kill you is an absolutely different matter altogether.
00:47:23.340 And I don't understand how anyone can defend this practice. It is completely wrong, obviously.
00:47:31.740 You shouldn't be able to gain access to a doctor who will kill you because of your feelings.
00:47:37.140 This is not the proper order of things in any way.
00:47:41.520 Let's just look at this one moment here. Am I right in suggesting that one of the differences,
00:47:51.960 in addition to the one that you just mentioned, is the fact that men, when they commit suicide,
00:47:56.760 tend to do it in the traditional fashion, right? A loaded revolver or a noose in the loft or what have you.
00:48:04.140 That's to say that men commit suicide in the unassisted fashion, the old-fashioned way. Women, however, 0.99
00:48:11.200 very rarely do that. And certainly in Switzerland, where they have the choice, they almost exclusively
00:48:18.040 opt for suicide in the assisted fashion, which is where they have help. There are people on hand.
00:48:25.200 They kill themselves, but there are people on hand to make sure that it goes well, goes off well.
00:48:31.340 That makes sense. I mean, yeah, I mean, that makes sense in a sense, in the way that, you know,
00:48:37.940 generalizing about women and men and the difference between them. I mean, women are very sociable
00:48:42.700 creatures. Women seek consensus. Women are collaborative. Women want social approval. And, 1.00
00:48:50.580 you know, I suppose if you're that, if your mindset is already thinking that this is an appropriate or a
00:48:58.760 good thing to do, of course, you're going to want some handholding. You're going to want people to
00:49:04.160 enable you and validate your choices. It's also a very modern phenomenon, isn't it? Where we have to
00:49:11.540 always have our mistakes celebrated and validated by others. I mean, that's what all of social media
00:49:18.460 involves, right? So it doesn't surprise me at all that men, to some degree, are still sticking to the
00:49:24.200 original way, which is, you know, also absolutely horrifying for a family. I mean, I can't imagine
00:49:29.520 anything worse, really. And, you know, they're submitting themselves. They're doing this to
00:49:34.340 themselves. They're doing physical harm to themselves in a way that requires some element
00:49:38.240 of physical sort of bravery, although I don't want to put a positive spin on it. Whereas women are 1.00
00:49:43.620 seeking the help of professionals because that's what we do. And, you know, we're very into therapy
00:49:50.300 culture. And we want to sort of be patted on the head and told that this is okay. And it's absolutely
00:49:56.460 not. Jenny, it breaks my heart. That's all we've got time for. Where do people go on social media to
00:50:05.360 keep up with your writings and your analysis? Well, mostly on Substack, which is JennyEHolland.Substack.com.
00:50:13.760 But as of yesterday, I have a YouTube channel, which is Saving Culture From Itself on YouTube.
00:50:21.200 And that's a YouTube channel. And how do people find that?
00:50:26.480 Just pop in Saving Culture From Itself into the YouTube search bar and my name and it should come up.
00:50:32.900 Perfect. Jenny, many thanks. God willing, catch you same time next week. Frank Walker, where do people
00:50:38.480 go to keep up? Look, let me ask you now, will you put the links that we've mentioned if anyone
00:50:44.320 listening to the show wants to do their own reading and research? Well, can they come to
00:50:49.120 Canon 212? Yes, they sure can. They'll be up on the right column and they'll be up at the top for
00:50:55.200 a little while, some of them. The Canon 212, type it into your address. Actually, the address itself,
00:51:01.920 there you see the Twitter and the X, Canon 212 spelled out. And the daily update is at Rumble and
00:51:10.280 at Gloria TV and on Canon 212. You can see the link there too. Folks, don't forget you've got to type
00:51:15.880 it out in full because Frank Walker is being suppressed by Google's malicious algorithms.
00:51:22.700 Frank, catch you same time next week. Thanks for coming on. Liz, you're quickly, where do people go
00:51:26.320 to keep up with your analysis on social media? Fair on social media, Elizabeth Yor. My website is
00:51:34.160 yourchildren and I also have a sub stack, Elizabeth Yor. Liz, thanks very much. I didn't get a chance to
00:51:41.640 discuss my thing today about the FBI spying on an SSPX priest. Perhaps I'll catch up with you that
00:51:50.440 and then we'll hit that together next week. My thanks to Cameron Wallace, our producer to the
00:51:54.900 crack team in Denver. And for you, the viewer, stay safe. Catch you same time next week. God bless.
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