Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 821： No FEMA Funds For Antisemitism; Rebuilding The Jobs Data

00:00:00.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:00:20.300 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.

00:00:24.260 I've got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.

00:00:29.900 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:00:31.860 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:00:33.280 I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.

00:00:35.920 It's going to happen.

00:00:37.200 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?

00:00:40.580 Mega Media.

00:00:41.940 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:00:47.340 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:00:50.500 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:00:57.520 War Room.

00:00:58.340 Here's your host, Stephen K.

00:01:00.400 Bannon.

00:01:04.720 It's Monday, 4 August, Year of Ruler 2025.

00:01:07.400 Thank you for being here for the second hour of the afternoon show.

00:01:10.680 Huge breaking news of Natalie, our White House correspondent, to join us.

00:01:14.700 Number one, Bolsonaro has been arrested.

00:01:16.880 The police are currently searching President Bolsonaro's home.

00:01:20.500 This is, and I'm reading off a tweet by Michael Schellenberger, hours after the release of the January 8 file showing illegal activity by Brazil's most powerful Supreme Court justice,

00:01:30.420 Alexander de Moraes.

00:01:32.200 He has ordered the house arrest of former President Bolsonaro.

00:01:35.840 Before we get to our other topic, Natalie, your reaction.

00:01:40.020 This is starting to ratchet up Lula over the weekend, trashing President Trump, trashing the U.S. dollar, saying that Brazil will never, his administration will never fold to President Trump.

00:01:51.000 And now we have the arrest and, I guess, the house confinement of President Bolsonaro.

00:01:55.940 Your thoughts?

00:01:56.580 Well, I think Brazil is sort of a representation of what they want to do to the broader global populist movement.

00:02:03.540 What was it, two or three years ago, I remember we were standing in Arizona speaking at AmFest, talking about how we had unearthed a trove, I believe it was National Science Foundation grants,

00:02:13.600 highlighting how they were spending U.S. tax dollars not on just debunking misinformation but on pre-bunking what they deemed misinformation that was supportive to the populist movement in Brazil.

00:02:24.560 And I think that that's a very emblematic sort of story about not just how the United States has been involved in Brazil but what Brazil represents to the sort of American elite here, the ruling class.

00:02:35.980 They view it, I think, what really can only be summed up in the election of Bolsonaro, right, as a Brazilian populist uprising, and they are doing everything they can to crush them.

00:02:45.760 You throw in, I think, Chinese Communist Party influence and obviously rogue judges.

00:02:50.080 That's an issue we're experiencing here, and that's why you've seen, what is it?

00:02:53.600 I feel like every day there's a new development there that we could probably dedicate a whole show to.

00:02:58.340 But make no mistake, it's about the populist movement more broadly.

00:03:01.940 Natalie, another kind of – and people are kind of wondering how this even came about.

00:03:10.800 But explain what had been announced and then it's just been reversed.

00:03:14.780 In fact, I think DHS has just come out and said – from the White House said it's been reversed.

00:03:19.260 What – it was this kind of announcement or leak this morning about emergency aid tied to dealing with Israel as a nation state.

00:03:29.520 A lot of people were upset about it.

00:03:31.800 I think it's been reversed.

00:03:32.860 If there was ever even something for them in the first place, can you explain what happened at the White House?

00:03:38.440 Yeah, I think there was potentially a very large miscarriage of what it means to be America first, particularly in the DHS guidelines for federal aid, emergency response assistance.

00:03:48.100 We were talking about $1.9 billion.

00:03:51.400 It was a FEMA sort of act. 1.00

00:03:53.880 There were the guidelines.

00:03:54.660 It was a multi-page document talking about the stipulations that was conditioned on that aid.

00:03:59.480 One of them – one of these points really gained a lot of, I think, attention on social media.

00:04:04.820 And I would say the top-line takeaway from this is when we see things that we don't like going on in the Trump administration,

00:04:10.000 the answer is to call it out because they are very receptive and they are willing to answer and, frankly, change the policy.

00:04:17.200 I think we actually – another scoop for the war room.

00:04:19.580 We'll take it.

00:04:20.520 But I think we actually reported it before DHS did.

00:04:23.340 But talking about how they changed the text of these guidelines and not just changed but actually completely stripped the inclusion.

00:04:31.860 We have the picture if you want to put it up on screen.

00:04:34.080 But there previously was a section that read discriminatory prohibited boycott means refusing to deal,

00:04:38.980 cutting commercial relations or otherwise limiting commercial relations,

00:04:42.400 specifically with Israeli companies or with companies doing business in or with Israel

00:04:46.540 or authorized by, licensed by, or organized under the laws of Israel to do business.

00:04:51.940 If you look at the juxtaposition, you can go to my Twitter if we don't have the picture up on screen.

00:04:55.900 You can see that that segment has been completely stripped.

00:04:59.000 So this aid still is conditioned on a few things, things companies or grants city-states can't use DEI programs

00:05:04.860 and they can't give out free assistance to illegal aliens.

00:05:07.900 I think that is probably closer to what it means to be America first than it is to condition any form of aid,

00:05:13.020 let alone FEMA disaster aid, on not doing business or boycotting a foreign nation.

00:05:19.980 Great job, Natalie.

00:05:21.560 There it is right there.

00:05:22.800 You see it's X'd out. 0.91

00:05:24.760 Thank you so much for your hard work.

00:05:26.460 Natalie, thank you for jumping back on here.

00:05:28.000 Of course.

00:05:28.260 One more time, where do people go to keep up with everything you've got on your social media feed, ma'am?

00:05:32.880 Where do they go?

00:05:34.760 Natalie G. Winters on all platforms.

00:05:36.400 Thank you for having me back.

00:05:39.240 Thank you.

00:05:39.820 Very busy day.

00:05:41.140 Let's go back to E.J. and Tony.

00:05:42.400 So, E.J., here's a basic question.

00:05:43.960 You've come on here now for four years every month talking about this topic.

00:05:48.300 Just so the mainstream media, because we know there's a lot of attention on the show,

00:05:51.080 and particularly there's a lot of attention on you now as an individual.

00:05:54.840 The case, this is not suppressing information.

00:05:57.960 This is not about being Donald Trump as an autocratic dictator.

00:06:01.640 This is just something you have argued for for years.

00:06:05.380 What do you think needs to happen over the Bureau of Labor Statistics?

00:06:08.720 You have been at this.

00:06:09.700 This is not about just even some individual.

00:06:11.620 This is a systemic problem that you've identified.

00:06:14.760 What do you think is the problem we have, and what is, sir, the solution?

00:06:19.280 Well, Steve, the problem is at least twofold.

00:06:24.500 One is the fact that we're relying on outdated methods of collecting data, and then two, we're

00:06:30.660 relying on outdated methodologies in terms of processing that data.

00:06:35.600 And the result is kind of garbage in, garbage out, if you will.

00:06:40.500 Unfortunately, we're just not getting enough accurate information into the Bureau in a timely enough manner for the folks there to actually do anything with it. 0.69

00:06:50.460 In other words, turn that data into a usable product and then disseminate it to the American people.

00:06:55.980 And that is very important to get the information into the hands of the American people, but it's also very important to get it into the hands of major decision makers like the Federal Reserve, for crying out loud, who's supposedly making interest rate decisions based on some of these numbers.

00:07:11.340 And not just here in D.C., but also in Manhattan, you have Wall Street, who's relying on these numbers.

00:07:18.240 It's absolutely imperative that they be as accurate as possible.

00:07:22.600 And unfortunately, that just hasn't been the case.

00:07:24.580 So we need somebody at BLS, in my opinion, who's really willing to kind of take, I guess, Steve, the best way to put it is take an approach of leaving no stone unturned.

00:07:36.860 In other words, you have to be willing to look at absolutely everything, whether it's in terms of that data collection or whether it's in terms of creating these reports, the different, again, the different methodologies that they have to use to take these survey samples and try to estimate for the broader nation.

00:07:55.780 You need someone who's willing to essentially overhaul the entire thing.

00:08:00.860 It is very clear that the different models, for example, that we were using before the pandemic are not as good today.

00:08:07.940 And it's not because there was anything wrong with the models previously.

00:08:10.920 It's because the economic conditions in the country have changed.

00:08:15.000 And so we need to change to adapt to that.

00:08:17.480 It's that simple.

00:08:18.940 And also, I don't think there's any reason we need to rely on such outdated methods for collecting the information in the first place.

00:08:25.860 When we have so many advanced ways of communicating today and also so many more advanced ways of just getting the data in the door, so much of what used to be done, for example, by mail was then done by telephone and by fax.

00:08:42.940 And now we just simply send emails or some of this information is literally just updated in real time online.

00:08:50.780 It is long past time then that the BLS have access to that kind of information and, again, be able to communicate all of these things as quickly as possible.

00:09:01.700 One of the things that was uncovered by Doge, for example, is how all of these different parts of government don't actually communicate with each other.

00:09:11.220 And so even though the information is technically readily available from Group A, it doesn't actually get to Group B because there's no interface there between Group A and Group B.

00:09:22.740 Those are the kinds of things that I think you need to fix at BLS.

00:09:26.860 And the sooner you get that done, the sooner you can start producing reliable estimates in a timely manner.

00:09:33.420 And frankly, Steve, when it comes to trust in this organization, I don't think a change of leadership is sufficient.

00:09:40.140 I think it's going to take a change of leadership, but also a lot of time.

00:09:44.640 It's like if you have any kind of relationship and someone lies to you, what happens?

00:09:49.380 Trust is broken.

00:09:50.340 And now it's going to take time for that trust to be rebuilt.

00:09:53.800 And it is rebuilt by consistently delivering something over time.

00:09:58.660 In the case of a lie, it means you have to consistently tell the truth.

00:10:02.320 In the case of BLS, it is going to mean consistently providing accurate information in a timely manner.

00:10:09.160 And only after doing that for a considerable period of time, I think our individual is going to really trust the agency again.

00:10:17.720 And I just want to make it clear.

00:10:19.560 I know I've said it before, but it's worth repeating.

00:10:22.260 This is not to besmirch a lot of the good folks at BLS, some of whom I actually know personally, and I can vouch for their integrity.

00:10:29.700 But clearly, as Truman famously said, the buck stops here, right?

00:10:35.580 If leadership is not willing to address problems that are evident, then it's time for a change in leadership.

00:10:41.080 And I think you need somebody who is willing to do the dirty work of addressing those problems.

00:10:46.620 This is systemic.

00:10:52.260 It's a deep, you've got a big problem over there.

00:10:55.100 It's just not one good person that replaced them.

00:10:57.060 You've got to restructure this, go through it.

00:10:59.960 But you could see the sunlit uplands.

00:11:02.020 In other words, to take this on is not insurmountable.

00:11:04.880 Is it?

00:11:05.160 It's a heavy lift, but not insurmountable.

00:11:08.440 Am I correct in phrasing it that way?

00:11:10.620 Steve, I think that's exactly right, 100%.

00:11:14.780 It's not as if the whole thing is so completely broken that it needs to be torn down to the foundation and completely rebuilt.

00:11:22.840 No, there's plenty of good work that goes on at BLS.

00:11:26.460 And again, there are plenty of good folks there, too.

00:11:29.080 But it does need restructuring.

00:11:32.420 It needs refurbishing, right?

00:11:34.420 Clearly, the way things have been done the last several years have not worked, basically ever since the pandemic, right?

00:11:41.000 That's when things really started breaking down.

00:11:44.040 So things, you know, we need a redo at BLS, essentially.

00:11:47.980 And I don't think there's anything wrong with whether it's BLS or any other part of government from time to time re-evaluating it and saying things aren't working.

00:11:56.920 Let's try something different.

00:11:58.180 Let's try to make it better.

00:11:59.560 Frankly, the American people deserve more for their tax dollars.

00:12:02.640 E.J., where do people go?

00:12:30.140 So your Twitter feed particularly is very informative and educational.

00:12:33.740 Where do people go to follow you, sir?

00:12:37.020 That's going to be the best place to follow me.

00:12:39.300 And the handle there is at real E.J. Antony.

00:12:44.680 E.J. Antony, thank you very much for doing this for the last four years and making this all clear to us now.

00:12:49.140 Appreciate you, sir.

00:12:50.780 Well, thank you for having me, Steve.

00:12:52.240 Thank you.

00:12:56.840 Kurt Mills, do I have a clip on play for this?

00:13:00.420 Maybe we can just pull that up if we can do it.

00:13:02.500 Kurt Mills, thank you for joining us.

00:13:05.740 Kurt, explain to me because now I'm totally confused.

00:13:09.780 What is –

00:13:11.120 Whitcoff went over to the Middle East.

00:13:13.620 The president has kind of had it, you can tell.

00:13:18.020 Netanyahu had one strategy at one time and then it's been shifting all over the place.

00:13:23.220 And correct me if I'm wrong, today kind of a bombshell about what the new strategy is and be implemented.

00:13:28.040 Just walk me through what their government is proposing.

00:13:31.160 And I don't know if Whitcoff is part of this or not part of it.

00:13:34.000 The president signed off.

00:13:35.060 But put forward what the Netanyahu government is now putting forward as the new strategy.

00:13:40.120 And guys, remember, we've been – the war has been a big advocate early on, years ago now.

00:13:45.100 If you've got to go through hell, get through as quickly as possible.

00:13:47.520 Take out the military capabilities of the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas. 0.99

00:13:51.140 For a whole host of reasons, they got off the track on that.

00:13:54.880 The hostages, political considerations, the Persians, Iran, they had to go try to start a regime change war there.

00:14:02.920 Just explain to us what is going on.

00:14:05.260 Just kind of frame it for us, sir.

00:14:07.980 Yeah.

00:14:08.480 Well, putting aside what Natalie just spoke about, the bill that would criminalize or imperil disaster relief funding that apparently is now removed.

00:14:18.480 What is coming out of Israel today is that, per reporting, I don't believe fully confirmed as of when we're taping this, that Netanyahu has decided to, quote, occupy Gaza.

00:14:31.840 So this is potentially Israeli door-to-door, high-casualty, high-intensity warfare and moving towards the full annexation and deportation of the residents there.

00:14:48.480 This is one thing if Israel was planning to do this themselves.

00:14:53.460 But, of course, as you have diagnosed, Israel is not an independent actor.

00:14:57.320 It's an American protectorate.

00:14:59.340 And the likelihood, I should say, the certitude that they're going to come knocking on the door here in Washington, either later this summer or early autumn, for one, the U.S. to get involved in a big way with the redevelopment of Gaza.

00:15:12.960 Gaza sort of shelved for the last few months was the so-called Gaza Lago program that, you know, where you would get Donald Trump, President Trump to spend, you know, untold amount of manpower and U.S. taxpayer dollars to redevelop Gaza into a sort of halcyon, you know, dreamlike waterfront property that I think is a pipe dream.

00:15:37.300 And then number two, and probably most likely to happen, not the redevelopment, is to reopen the war with Iran in the autumn.

00:15:46.760 I think that is most likely what is going to happen here, because this has been a consistency of Netanyahu's approach to the war.

00:15:54.420 Netanyahu actually hasn't been focused on Hamas.

00:15:59.400 It is the official stated goal of the war.

00:16:02.000 But any time he can open up a new front, whether it be Hezbollah in Lebanon or Iran and get the U.S. involved in a heavy way, he'll do that.

00:16:10.480 Why – let's go back to this military in the occupied Gaza because it seems pretty dramatic.

00:16:19.740 The idea for whatever reason, whether they haven't been taken off the chain, whether they've been dispersed to take care of Hezbollah or now in Syria or to focus on the situation with the Persians, Hamas, the military aspect of it, I don't know.

00:16:33.660 They still have 20,000, 40,000 combatants down there.

00:16:38.740 How can you – given that they're concerned about casualties, the world is concerned about casualties, Netanyahu – I saw a report today I think from the New York Times saying that he had already burned up a lot of his political capital internally on the – of the 12-day war.

00:16:54.560 Why would you now pivot?

00:16:57.220 And correct me if I'm wrong.

00:16:58.100 President Trump says, hey, he wants the fighting to stop.

00:17:00.180 He wants the hostages released, particularly the 20 living hostages, and some of the videos are showing of these individuals looking emaciated and obviously have been tortured.

00:17:10.840 Why would we jump to all of a sudden occupy Gaza? 0.57

00:17:13.840 That would seem the most extreme where he had the least international support because in particular the United States, to occupy Gaza, to go block by block to a place that looks like Dresden right now

00:17:26.120 and have to take out – try to take out the Muslim Brotherhood now that you've let them hang around for 18 months is going to be the bloodiest part of the war. 0.97

00:17:36.400 I'm kind of lost on the strategy.

00:17:38.440 And I don't think that's what Whitcoff was over there for, was it?

00:17:42.940 Yeah, no, sorry.

00:17:43.820 I didn't address the Whitcoff piece.

00:17:45.140 Yeah, no, Whitcoff has clearly been dispatched by the president to get a sense of the lay of the land, to get a sense of how bad the Gaza carnage is,

00:17:53.320 but also potentially to be subjected to a propaganda tour at the behest of Netanyahu and the alleged ambassador to Israel, not the ambassador from Israel, Mike Huckabee.

00:18:06.160 I think Whitcoff is doing his best, is still an able envoy for the president of the United States to this point,

00:18:14.280 but Netanyahu is just moving quicker than almost anyone.

00:18:18.860 You flag that it's extreme.

00:18:21.580 The extremity is the point for Netanyahu in this particular government.

00:18:26.300 If the war dies down, if it's quiet, then Netanyahu can't marshal support internally in his country. 0.64

00:18:34.440 He is a drug addict who's chasing an ever-larger high.

00:18:41.200 He's a rational actor, very smart man, very canny. 0.59

00:18:44.540 We wouldn't be having this conversation if he wasn't, but you pinpointed it.

00:18:48.400 The Iran war, the 12-day war so-called, already the political benefit of that has evaporated in seven weeks.

00:18:56.280 He needs something new.

00:18:58.080 And so I think for August, it's an escalation in Gaza.

00:19:01.860 He'll use anything he can get.

00:19:04.460 There was an image circulated around of one of the 20-odd remaining living hostages,

00:19:09.060 obviously looking in terrible condition in Hamas conditions.

00:19:13.020 But of course, that has to be juxtaposed to the tens of thousands that have been slaughtered

00:19:18.440 and the horrible images out of Palestine that are increasingly escalating conservative skepticism of the war as well.

00:19:25.720 And I think, you know, namely anchored around a friend of this show, Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene,

00:19:31.760 who has now openly, you know, kind of crossed the Rubicon and called this a genocide.

00:19:35.340 He's between a rock and a hard place because with the pressure coming now from Europe,

00:19:41.900 you've got France, the UK supposedly doing it, other nations talking about a two-state solution.

00:19:48.180 And I've never been an advocate.

00:19:49.560 I don't think a two-state solution can work.

00:19:51.440 But if that looks like the wave of where things are going, he has to take care of the military capability of the Muslim Brotherhood franchisees, Hamas, before that happens. 0.89

00:20:04.620 But given the fact that you've worn down your own troops, there's morale issues, you've got, I don't know,

00:20:10.820 a significant part of the population that is protesting over the weekend, just wants to bring this thing to a close.

00:20:15.780 I mean, how do you garner the support militarily now to go and still complete what should be the hardest part of it?

00:20:23.400 And that is taking the hardest fighters in Gaza, the Hamas fighters that are left, those brigades are left.

00:20:31.540 How do you go about now and trying to garner international support and even support with the United States to go get that done?

00:20:38.300 I think Dan Yahu has a very limited audience.

00:20:40.740 He just wants President Trump's approval, and he just wants the support of the dwindling number of basically older Republicans who support this carnage.

00:20:51.640 I think he wants to maintain the support of the Murdoch empire, and I think he is thinking a day at a time, and he is about Netanyahu.

00:21:01.400 He is about the short-term interest of himself and his cabinet, and he is about surviving to live another day.

00:21:07.500 I think when we write the history of Israel and the history of Netanyahu, it may be written that Netanyahu is the greatest enemy of the Israeli people.

00:21:17.980 The greatest accomplishment President Trump had in the region, and I was a huge advocate for moving the embassy to Jerusalem, which I think had to be done.

00:21:32.100 But the biggest triumph that we had was the Abraham Accords. 0.96

00:21:35.780 Now, particularly, let's leave Qatar because I've got obviously huge problems with Qatar and people that embrace Qatar because I still think they financed the Muslim Brotherhood. 1.00

00:21:42.880 And there's an investigation Netanyahu today fired – he and his cabinet fired the prosecutor that's principally looking into how to Qatar get into business with certain members of Netanyahu's people close to him.

00:21:58.280 But UAE, particularly in the Saudis, have been really the drivers or some of the people at the front line of the Abraham Accords.

00:22:07.240 In this situation, they're clearly – and kind of consensus President Trump tried to build there to bring peace.

00:22:15.480 They are some of the biggest vocal people saying you can't continue this military operation the way you're intending to do it, and you've got a humanitarian crisis.

00:22:25.080 How do you think – because you've just come back from the region.

00:22:28.120 How do you think the region plays this?

00:22:29.600 Because particularly now President Trump, he just went and had this incredible tour in May.

00:22:35.280 It seems like it was 10 years ago, but it was just 10 weeks ago in the region.

00:22:39.900 How do you think the region appeals to him to get some sort of plan here where we can actually stand this thing down?

00:22:48.100 Yeah, I mean I think the region is a little demotivated to sum up a massive society and civilization.

00:22:54.560 It seems a little demotivated, you know, that solutions are at hand.

00:23:00.720 A lot of ink has been spilled about a potential era of Israeli hegemony in the Middle East.

00:23:07.420 That's not the sense I got when I was over there.

00:23:09.680 I mean, one of my sources, I think the most apt comparison I got is that Israel is effectively an Air Force base.

00:23:17.140 They can torment anybody, they can project militarily, they can call in favors in Washington, but they are as hated as ever.

00:23:25.480 They are as a pariah as ever, and their society is as unstable as ever. 0.91

00:23:32.080 And, you know, you keep referencing the Muslim Brotherhood quotient. 0.97

00:23:36.320 And, yes, I think Hamas is, you know, definitely the, basically, historically the Palestine chapter of the Muslim Brotherhood.

00:23:44.300 But the reality here is that there is a structural story here, is that Netanyahu empowered these guys.

00:23:50.980 He didn't want a reasonable or more moderate wing of the Palestinian nation to have representation because they would be too sympathetic to Western audiences.

00:24:01.600 But the dam is breaking despite that.

00:24:04.680 Yes, Hamas controls Gaza, but public sentiment is turning against this war in droves, including in the Republican Party, despite Hamas's leadership of Gaza.

00:24:15.860 That is what's going on in a nutshell.

00:24:19.640 And so Netanyahu is only getting more desperate by the month, by the week, to hold attention and get maximum concessions now because he knows time is nearly up.

00:24:29.440 Well, even more than the sentiment changing in the Republican Party and particularly people who supported Israel, the sentiment is changing in Israel.

00:24:37.820 I mean, before they've always had an anti-Netanyahu group.

00:24:40.260 We would say it's the same people that came after President Trump.

00:24:42.920 But that's now getting much broader in Israeli society as a lot of people saying, hey, we're turning into a Jewish Pakistan and that can't happen.

00:24:51.300 But the sentiment inside the country is changing rapidly.

00:24:54.600 It's not.

00:24:56.080 Yeah, I think the Pakistan story is the comparison is apt. 1.00

00:24:58.820 It's becoming a paranoid religious garrison state. 0.97

00:25:02.400 I think that is the story.

00:25:04.000 Not so much Netanyahu himself as secular, but potential successors.

00:25:08.580 Not so much Neftali Bennett, the most likely successor.

00:25:11.520 But after that, Smotrich, Ben Gavir.

00:25:14.900 You know, this is this is where Israel is headed in the 2030s. 0.93

00:25:17.680 We've talked about it before.

00:25:18.900 You know, the kind of tech money, the sort of politically ambiguous center left, you know, Israeli that lives in Tel Aviv, not Netanyahu's voters.

00:25:26.380 These people are going to wave into the EU. 0.84

00:25:28.600 They're going to found tech companies in Portugal, Greece, southern Italy and get out of there, go to a less political and less dangerous place for Jews. 1.00

00:25:39.320 And so, you know, the long term here is about Netanyahu.

00:25:45.840 And Netanyahu is somebody who's not going to be on the scene in 30 years.

00:25:49.520 And he is not being a great steward of his country's national interest.

00:25:53.600 The only reason I care is because the U.S. is asked to endlessly care about Israeli national interest.

00:25:59.380 And I would prefer if it was just totally separate.

00:26:04.140 Kurt, where do people go?

00:26:06.060 You're over at the American Conservative.

00:26:07.340 Where do people go for your magazine and where they go for your social media feed?

00:26:12.060 Thanks, Steve.

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00:26:24.360 The next 48 to 72 hours is going to be very, very, very important about what's going to happen in Israel.

00:26:35.860 Netanyahu and his cabinet put out the word that they're going to come forward with a plan to the president of the United States, to Witkoff and to others about Occupy Gaza.

00:26:45.480 That is a tall order right now.

00:26:47.980 A tall order.

00:26:49.320 Short commercial break.

00:26:50.540 We're going to return to the war room in just a moment.

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00:31:51.700 Folks, there's history being made today.

00:31:54.060 Mediate is reporting, and I'll get this to the team, then get it up.

00:31:57.380 Pam Bondi reportedly asking grand jury to consider indictments in Obama-Clinton treasonous conspiracy case.

00:32:04.440 Let me repeat that.

00:32:05.320 Pam Bondi, the Attorney General of the United States, reportedly asking grand jury to consider criminal indictments in Obama-Clinton treasonous conspiracy case.

00:32:13.740 President Trump has said it's the biggest scandal in the history of the nation.

00:32:19.920 Sam Fatt is going to join me.

00:32:21.280 I also want to make sure that we fully understand the last segment.

00:32:24.860 Occupy Gaza would be such a monumental lift right now with everything else going on.

00:32:30.480 I can't even comprehend it.

00:32:32.460 Taking out, you know, as powerful as the IDF is, as brave and courageous as the IDF is, as powerful the Israeli Air Force is.

00:32:40.600 We've been at this thing, what, almost two years now?

00:32:43.000 And the military part of – and for a host of reasons, the haces, negotiations, ceasefires, all of it.

00:32:49.440 There have been many, many, many reasons, but the military brigades have still not been taken out.

00:32:54.140 And now you're talking about a full Occupy Gaza situation.

00:32:57.840 People got to understand that I don't think that dog is going to hunt whatsoever.

00:33:01.680 I just don't.

00:33:02.240 I think the scale of it is too big.

00:33:04.520 Sam Fattis, you've been at the tip of the spear.

00:33:06.500 You heard right there that a grand jury is being asked on criminal indictments in this – essentially the deep state case.

00:33:15.140 You've been attacked and now pretty viciously – it's a group called Steady State.

00:33:18.880 Can you explain to me and maybe if we can get it – I don't know if we got it to our team to put it up on the screen.

00:33:24.760 What in the hell is Steady State and why are they coming after Sam Fattis and other truth speakers

00:33:29.620 that have worked in the past for the intelligence and national security and defense departments, sir?

00:33:38.160 Well, to take the second question first, right, why are they coming after me?

00:33:41.460 Because I'm speaking the truth and telling people things that they don't want.

00:33:46.880 And then to hear, and I guess in particular as somebody who was a member of the intelligence community,

00:33:53.680 so it stings that much more.

00:33:56.100 What's Steady State?

00:33:57.180 What they say they are is a group of at least 300 former national security officials.

00:34:04.440 Seems to be mostly former intel types.

00:34:07.060 How many more there are who are in effect part of the group and aren't former who are still inside I think would be a key question,

00:34:18.040 and we don't know the answer to that.

00:34:20.440 What's their big push?

00:34:22.260 Their big push right now is that Trump and his attempts to reform particularly the intelligence community

00:34:29.540 are a threat to the Constitution, a threat to the Republic, a threat to national security.

00:34:35.660 And if you read what they say very carefully, they have effectively appointed themselves as the new praetorians,

00:34:43.840 meaning it is their job to decide when you are so threatening to the Constitution that you are a threat and have to be removed.

00:34:52.520 I mean, if you think about the rationale every group of colonels in Latin America ever gave

00:34:57.040 for why it's okay for them to overturn a democratically elected government

00:35:00.420 because they're the guardians and they get to decide when to change the game,

00:35:05.800 that's exactly what these guys are saying.

00:35:08.640 So it's terrifying stuff, honestly.

00:35:12.160 We're going into very uncharted waters, even when you go back to Watergate.

00:35:16.000 I mean, the country has never been here.

00:35:18.560 And people better strap in for this because, you know, the administrative state is very strong,

00:35:26.860 but the deep state is very, very strong.

00:35:28.600 That interlocking connection between the security agencies, law enforcement, the FBI, elements of DHS, elements of the Pentagon,

00:35:38.620 they're being put on trial.

00:35:40.540 And like I said, folks, this has never been even attempted before.

00:35:45.520 Sam, explain to our audience how big a deal this is today when you hear that Pam Bondi is actually going to ask a grand panel,

00:35:52.640 a grand jury and asked to bring criminal indictments against some of the senior most, not just Obama and Hillary Clinton,

00:35:58.240 but people like the former head of the FBI, the former head of NSA, the former head of DNI, the former head of the CIA.

00:36:05.440 How big a deal is this, sir?

00:36:09.720 This is the whole game, Steve.

00:36:11.440 I mean, you know, you and I both know that, right?

00:36:14.540 The strategy going into this on the part of the deep state, you know, using shorthand, was, okay, look,

00:36:20.820 we may have to cut away some guys and give up Brennan on perjury charges or whatever,

00:36:25.160 but basically nothing significant is going to happen.

00:36:28.400 We'll hunker down, we'll dig in, we'll ride this out.

00:36:33.040 And when it's all done, Trump will go away, MAGA will go away, and everything will go back to normal.

00:36:38.600 Now, all of a sudden, they are realizing, facing the possibility that, the very real possibility,

00:36:46.420 that that's not how it's going to play at all, guys.

00:36:48.680 When you stage an attempted coup and you commit treason, you try to depose a sitting president, etc.,

00:36:57.000 you're not getting misdemeanor charges or losing your security clearance.

00:37:02.400 These are very serious felonies, and you're going to prison.

00:37:06.520 So all of a sudden, they're realizing this isn't actually, for them, existential threat,

00:37:12.260 and they are pulling out all of the stops now.

00:37:16.520 And this rationale that I'm talking about with Steady State,

00:37:19.720 you cipher a brief is pushing it, all kinds of folks in D.C. are pushing it.

00:37:24.540 Trump is a national security threat.

00:37:26.700 What he's doing is a threat to the Constitution.

00:37:29.680 Again, this is the rationale for a coup, for treason.

00:37:35.100 That's what it is.

00:37:38.000 You're a man of discernment, and you've always chosen your words very carefully when you've been on the show.

00:37:44.220 Do you believe – I know what they're taking for – I know what they're going to take forward

00:37:47.640 from the information I've seen to these grand juries and what I've – because I was there at the beginning of it.

00:37:53.020 Do you think that this was an attempted coup, and they'll try to prove that?

00:37:57.300 Do you think this is treasonous, and they'll try to prove that, sir?

00:37:59.820 Definitely an attempted coup.

00:38:03.060 I mean, really in multiple stages, as you're well aware.

00:38:05.520 First is the part where they try to stop Trump from ever getting elected, and then they try to depose him.

00:38:10.560 And then, of course, once they can't get him out of office during his first term,

00:38:15.180 they then intervene and lie through their teeth about the laptop to push Biden through,

00:38:21.580 along with all the other measures.

00:38:23.720 So there's no question that we're talking about treasonous coup.

00:38:28.080 What's the cutting edge?

00:38:29.360 I think the question you just teed up.

00:38:30.960 What are we going to charge these guys with?

00:38:33.800 We've got to charge them with something that is going to put them in prison for significant periods of time.

00:38:39.780 As they said in National Treasure, right?

00:38:42.220 Somebody's got to go to prison.

00:38:43.560 Right.

00:38:45.180 That's what I dismissed at the top of the show, this discussion of the Hatch Act.

00:38:49.560 Maybe that's one aspect of getting in front of a grand jury, but this ain't about the Hatch Act.

00:38:53.140 This is not about misdemeanors or even lower-level felonies.

00:38:57.740 Sam Faddis, all of your stuff up on Substack and Ann Magazine, the Steady State, all of it,

00:39:05.660 where do people go to get to Ann Magazine, your Substack, and where do they go get you on social media, sir?

00:39:10.920 A-N-D Magazine and magazine at Substack.com.

00:39:15.840 And look, I'm still on Twitter and on Getter and Truth Social as real Sam Faddis.

00:39:21.980 As we start this journey, Sam Faddis joins us.

00:39:27.220 Thank you, Sam Faddis.

00:39:28.360 I appreciate you.

00:39:29.160 Historic, historic day.

00:39:33.800 And people better hunker down for a long, tough slog on this one.

00:39:36.960 This is not going to – you're going to have good days on this, and you're going to have days that are not as good.

00:39:44.180 Do we have Tom Dance?

00:39:45.220 Were we able to track down Tom?

00:39:46.940 Tom, we didn't get you towards the end on the Arctic conference.

00:39:51.600 Can you just summarize briefly what went on, particularly policy-wise?

00:39:55.320 Because I keep saying, hey, the Arctic is the new great game.

00:39:58.260 We've got issues in Gaza and all these other places.

00:40:00.180 But the Arctic and the control of the Arctic is the great game of the 21st century.

00:40:04.640 And a lot of America's hemispheric defense will be decided in the Arctic.

00:40:09.560 How was the conference?

00:40:10.920 Who came out looking the best?

00:40:12.880 What are the policies that the war and posse should be thinking about?

00:40:16.180 Sure.

00:40:16.800 And thanks, Stu.

00:40:17.700 Great to be with the posse.

00:40:18.800 Real quick, I mean, the main thing about the conference was what was not there, which was really America's first policies coming into the Arctic.

00:40:28.160 So what we had was a lot of the old guard, and we had a lot of people from around Europe coming to listen to basically a rehashing of the old policies.

00:40:39.020 Now, why is that important?

00:40:40.140 It was important because what was not said, which is really that President Trump has launched the U.S. back into a leadership position in the Arctic.

00:40:48.960 But what's essential right now is that we follow through below President Trump with the execution here.

00:40:55.660 So just thinking about this week, you know, I'm coming to you now from Colorado Springs, right across from the Air Force Academy.

00:41:03.680 And to recall General Billy Mitchell, who is one of the founders of the Air Force, he says in 1935 to Congress, I believe that in the future, whoever holds Alaska will hold the world.

00:41:18.440 I think it's the most strategic place in the world.

00:41:21.020 Well, he couldn't have been more prescient.

00:41:23.240 And let's fast forward to the current day.

00:41:26.260 You know, what you have now is what I would tell you is America's first island chain, the Aleutians, which is essentially unprotected here.

00:41:36.560 And it's time for us to begin to execute on our hemispheric defense.

00:41:40.840 Go across to Greenland.

00:41:42.060 It's the same issue.

00:41:43.540 Now it's time for us to go back to, you know, we don't have to reinvent the wheel.

00:41:48.240 We had this in World War II.

00:41:50.760 Senator Dan Sullivan's leading an effort, which I am 100 percent behind, to reopen ADAC Air Force Base, ADAC Naval Air Station in the Aleutians.

00:42:01.920 Now, keep in mind, this is this is a thousand miles west of of Anchorage.

00:42:07.840 These are vast spaces, and this is sitting right at the point where you're going to have the great circle traveling from from China to the U.S., as well as the intersection of what is the Northern Sea Route coming down eventually even the transpolar route.

00:42:27.420 This is where these areas meet in the middle of America's Arctic.

00:42:31.680 We had a base there.

00:42:32.720 It was closed under Obama.

00:42:34.020 It was at once held 6,000 troops in the middle of the Arctic.

00:42:40.180 Go further west, right on the coast of Russia.

00:42:42.500 I think we need to reopen our Casco Cove station on Atu.

00:42:46.920 This is a this is a place which today is abandoned.

00:42:50.320 But over 500 Americans gave their lives in some of the most brutal hand to hand combat in World War II.

00:42:57.460 So now we have it sitting abandoned with a 6,000, you know, foot runway unattended.

00:43:05.040 I think this is inviting danger.

00:43:06.900 The Japanese captured it once.

00:43:08.800 If we haven't learned from the past, it's time for us to go back in the history books.

00:43:12.820 Don't want to get President Trump upset.

00:43:14.800 But we did the same thing in Greenland.

00:43:16.500 You know, we sold the best base we had in Greenland, not, you know, not for a dollar like we got for the Panama Canal, but for 17 cents for one Danish kroner back in 1992.

00:43:30.520 And I'm I'm talking about what was called Sandi Kangalusirak, which was really the best where anybody had to land in Greenland until November last year when they opened up the new Air Force Base.

00:43:44.160 So it's time for us to get on the field.

00:43:46.480 We don't have an American ambassador for the Arctic.

00:43:49.960 We haven't gotten Ken Howery approved, who's our incoming ambassador for Denmark.

00:43:54.760 We're missing assistant secretaries for West Ham for the oceans.

00:43:58.860 We don't have an ambassador for Iceland.

00:44:01.860 Of course, we don't have an ambassador for Russia.

00:44:04.400 Again, talking about the effects of this carryover for the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax, we don't have our America first Russia experts on the field.

00:44:14.600 They still have gotten shut out.

00:44:16.500 So we need to do that.

00:44:17.760 Our Arctic Research Commission, where I served today, it's still all our it's still all Biden appointees.

00:44:24.420 Right.

00:44:24.560 We were fired.

00:44:25.420 The Trump people were fired for this unceremoniously.

00:44:27.960 Back in the Biden era.

00:44:30.340 So it's time for us to get our people on the field and start executing on these projects because we're burning daylight.

00:44:39.300 Tom, where can people go to your we're going to explore this more because this is central to hemispheric defense.

00:44:44.900 You just laid out a lot of the reasons that we should have had a recess and you could have put a bunch of these folks.

00:44:49.340 There's some that haven't even been nominated, but you could have gotten the nominees through.

00:44:52.100 Where do people go to your social media and to your website?

00:44:54.840 Because I know from Greenland to Alaska now to the Arctic, you're all over this.

00:44:59.160 So where do people go to get more information?

00:45:01.960 Sure.

00:45:02.260 I'm on X at Tom Dan CFA.

00:45:07.160 Thanks for amazing.

00:45:08.480 Keep plugging the great game of the 21st century will be the Arctic.

00:45:14.100 It is central to the defense of the United States.

00:45:16.200 And that's where the Canadians got to start pulling their weight.

00:45:18.900 Walt Pavlov.

00:45:20.040 Walt Pavlo.

00:45:21.100 Thank you for joining us again.

00:45:22.280 So the question we left you with on Friday, you had the Second Step Act that was Republican.

00:45:27.040 You got the First Step Act.

00:45:28.080 People ask me all the time, why is the First Step Act that President Trump pushed forward?

00:45:33.500 Why has it not been implemented in the prison system that we have today?

00:45:38.160 You could cut.

00:45:38.960 I think you'd cut the prison population by 25 percent.

00:45:41.760 Couldn't you possibly if you actually went through and did the calculations correctly, sir?

00:45:46.700 I think so, Stephen.

00:45:47.940 Thanks again for having me.

00:45:49.020 Before I came on, I was thinking about as we go into the First Step Act, what are the

00:45:53.900 issues facing us and why was the First Step Act even necessary?

00:45:58.620 Number one, when we incarcerate people, it's extremely expensive.

00:46:01.620 And it's a very important mission that we have.

00:46:04.040 But as I said last time, 50 percent of the population is minimum and low security, which

00:46:09.900 is primarily the benefactors of a First Step Act that allows them to earn credits to reduce

00:46:14.880 their sentence.

00:46:15.900 The second thing is there's been a lack of leadership at the Bureau of Prisons.

00:46:19.020 Even since President Trump took office the first go-around, there have been seven directors

00:46:24.620 of the Bureau of Prisons.

00:46:26.400 So before that, I think if you were to go back, you would have seven directors over about

00:46:30.980 a 60-year period.

00:46:32.940 So it lets you know, in less than 10 years, we've had that much turnover.

00:46:38.240 Morale is a big issue at the Bureau of Prisons.

00:46:40.700 You know, it's ranked last among all government agencies in, you know, employee satisfaction.

00:46:48.380 And, you know, there's new leadership that is in.

00:46:51.560 And that leadership came from the outside.

00:46:54.620 For President Trump this time, just like it did, you know, the first time that he was

00:46:58.580 around.

00:46:59.300 You know, he picked Mark Inch to be a director.

00:47:02.520 That didn't work out.

00:47:03.760 He brought in, you know, Hugh Hurwitz.

00:47:05.240 And then there was a little bit of a transition.

00:47:07.100 And then, you know, boom, boom, he was out of office again.

00:47:10.280 So but it's, you know, the new people, William Marshall and Josh Smith are change agents.

00:47:16.900 And that is what makes some difference.

00:47:19.680 They have done a lot in the first 90 days.

00:47:21.680 They still have a lot of work to do.

00:47:23.960 But the BOP is much too important of an agency for us to waste.

00:47:27.700 And, you know, Congress saw fit to say, we got to reduce the population somehow.

00:47:33.760 They gave the First Step Act.

00:47:35.700 But for the last, it was going on, you know, 2018, you know, we're in year seven, going

00:47:40.380 on seven years, still not fully implemented.

00:47:43.940 People, you know, Steve, you were in, I was in at one time many years ago.

00:47:49.260 The thing that you want to know the most is when the heck am I getting out of here?

00:47:52.500 And that is a question right now that many inmates and their families have, that they

00:47:57.220 don't know when they're going to get out.

00:47:58.760 And these people represent the least restrictive, you know, housing that there is, you know, for

00:48:04.760 all the inmates in the BOP.

00:48:08.000 Well, we're going to have you back on because we're going to do a whole series on this.

00:48:11.540 But just briefly for the audience, why is it so difficult to reform the Bureau of Prisons?

00:48:18.300 Why have so many people broken their picks on this?

00:48:20.340 I mean, President Trump wanted two reformers.

00:48:22.100 He got them in Marshall and in Josh, right?

00:48:25.740 Josh is a former felon who's who served many years, has tremendous president reform.

00:48:31.040 But we've got a couple of minutes.

00:48:32.440 Why does it seem like this agency is impervious to change and impervious to reform?

00:48:38.840 Probably one of the worst good old boy networks that there is in the government.

00:48:43.740 And for many years, they enjoyed having leadership that came from within.

00:48:48.060 And now they don't have it.

00:48:49.840 And it looks like it's not going back.

00:48:51.880 And I believe that that's the that's the biggest thing.

00:48:55.180 You have 121 prisons all across the United States.

00:48:58.640 You're trying to get them all to communicate and get on the same sheet of music.

00:49:02.060 And it just isn't happening.

00:49:03.540 And, you know, one solution could be let's reduce the number of inmates.

00:49:08.660 Let's also reduce the number of prisons that we have out there.

00:49:11.660 But it has been an almost a nearly impossible job.

00:49:15.480 But I believe in this case, Trump's put in some change agents and they've done a lot of listening and they've done some visiting.

00:49:22.740 And I have a feeling that they're getting ready to really, you know, put the pedal to the metal.

00:49:28.900 And we're going to see some significant changes inside the Bureau of Prisons.

00:49:34.320 Well, I got about a minute on the following.

00:49:36.140 I know you went to a conference on sentencing.

00:49:37.780 Sentencing is a huge, huge issue that hasn't been addressed in decades.

00:49:41.080 Are we going to address some of these sentencing issues, you think, in the near near future?

00:49:46.300 Well, that's a great point, Steve.

00:49:47.640 They absolutely need to.

00:49:48.940 You know, it's sort of like having a hotel that just keeps giving reservations out to everybody and doesn't pay any attention to who's coming in and who's leaving.

00:49:56.300 And, you know, the sentencing, you know, the judges should get on board that, like, we don't need to send people to prison for these 10, 15, 20 years.

00:50:07.140 I mean, it doesn't take long to really learn a lesson.

00:50:09.420 You know, a few years, go to some sort of home confinement and then call it a day.

00:50:13.680 But you don't really need to send people and just break, you know, totally break down, you know, their own family life, their community and everything by sending people to prison.

00:50:23.720 That applies to white, black, Hispanic.

00:50:26.100 It doesn't matter.

00:50:27.760 Prison does very little to, like, improve somebody after a short period of time.

00:50:32.560 No, and for the nonviolent criminals, particularly some of these nonviolent young men that are in prison, you see, you meet them, and these prisons are very small, very tiny, very old, and they're in there for 10, 15, 20 years.

00:50:46.200 You just don't, for nonviolent crimes.

00:50:47.840 After, like you said, after a couple of years, I think they get it.

00:50:51.100 I think they understand what the issues are.

00:50:53.720 Walt, you're doing an amazing job at Forbes.

00:50:56.940 You're writing this out better than anybody.

00:50:58.580 Where do people go on your social media, and where do they get all your writings at Forbes magazine, sir?

00:51:03.780 Well, just go to Forbes.com.

00:51:05.280 You can look for Walter Pavlo.

00:51:06.880 I've got a, you know, I've got a pretty good following, and also Prisonology.com.

00:51:10.940 I also post on there, which has all of our blogs, and I'm on Twitter and LinkedIn.

00:51:15.440 Thank you, brother.

00:51:18.760 Appreciate you.

00:51:19.680 Appreciate you for working with the reform movement.

00:51:23.440 It's got to be reformed.

00:51:25.320 I'm actually going to be up at Danbury in the morning.

00:51:29.060 I should be back in time for the morning show.

00:51:30.940 Dave Bratt is going to be with me as my co-host.

00:51:36.140 Historic day today, a criminal grand jury somehow being set up somewhere to address, as President Trump says,

00:51:44.540 the greatest political crime in the history of this nation.

00:51:47.900 Folks, there's no going back.

00:51:49.560 We have to stick the landing here.

00:51:50.880 If we don't stick the landing on this, we're not going to have a country.

00:51:54.400 This is what I said at Tampa in my speech to Charlie Kirk's group.

00:52:01.000 Turning point.

00:52:02.240 We must deconstruct the administrative state, and the first way to do that is to adjudicate this horrible, horrible crime against President Trump.

00:52:09.540 We'll be back at 10 a.m. Eastern Daylight Time tomorrow morning when you will be in the war room.

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