Bannon's War Room - August 07, 2025


WarRoom Battleground EP 824： Reality Of A Ceasefire Situation In Ukraine; Cutting The Bureaucratic Bloat


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On today's show, Steve K. Banno and Ben Harnell discuss the latest in the ongoing saga of Joe Biden's ouster from the U.S. Senate and the ongoing investigation into the matter.

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00:02:23.160 Ben Harnwell from Rome, our Rome bureau, head of international for the Rome.
00:02:28.720 Something we have now talked about daily on this show since 22, March, February, March 2022,
00:02:38.540 and long before that, right, you know, when the show first started.
00:02:43.780 The show first started in, I think, late September, early October, either the 29th, 30th, or 1st of October, around there, of 2019,
00:02:53.600 about, wait for it, the impeachment.
00:02:56.400 Based upon what?
00:02:57.480 A perfect phone call to Zelensky.
00:03:00.380 Think about this for a second.
00:03:01.740 How long have we struggled with this issue?
00:03:04.900 If you remember me from the days of Breitbart and Breitbart News Daily, the morning show that I host,
00:03:11.620 I had one in the evening, 7 to 10 in the evening on SiriusXM.
00:03:16.520 First off on KBC out west and then on Sirius, then Saturday mornings 10 to 1, and then we went daily.
00:03:21.660 So we were seven days a week.
00:03:23.640 People remember we talked about Russia a lot then and a potential Russian rapprochement as Obama and these guys
00:03:32.000 were trying to demonize it and demonize it and demonize it.
00:03:35.300 Ben, you've got some pretty important news coming out of the White House, Russia, Ukraine, all of it.
00:03:41.140 Why don't you walk us through it?
00:03:43.380 Steve, before I get there, I'm going to tell you it's going to take all the willpower in the world I possess
00:03:49.020 not to allow myself to be distracted by your opening introduction there talking about the perfect phone call and the impeachment
00:03:56.300 and the whole year of legislative agenda that was stolen by the corrupt Democrats from the president in the first term.
00:04:03.120 I'm not going to let myself get distracted by that because we have breaking news today.
00:04:07.680 However, however, that said, right, because we're talking about this every day,
00:04:13.920 President Trump is in a prime position here, not just to end this war and bring it to a peaceful conclusion,
00:04:21.280 but he's in a prime position now to insist that the papers relating to the sacking of the chief prosecutor Shokin,
00:04:31.180 I think, Victor Shokin, right, that then-Vice President Biden boasted about publicly, famously with the words,
00:04:38.980 well, son of a bitch, when he gave the guy, gave the government the orders to fire him. 0.98
00:04:43.540 And he was fired and then the money from the U.S. that Biden was holding up came through.
00:04:47.940 So no congressional inquiry into that, by the way.
00:04:51.800 Let's have those papers, let's get that smoking gun and find out the details behind Burisma's paying of that money
00:05:00.020 into the joint bank account between Joe Biden and Hunter Biden.
00:05:03.580 Let's, President Trump is in a perfect position now to, you know,
00:05:07.240 Zelensky didn't want to help the first time around in that perfect phone call.
00:05:11.380 President Trump is in a perfect position now to legitimise and to restore, I think,
00:05:18.340 the integrity of the first administration, which was so badly damaged by the Democrats.
00:05:26.260 And whilst we are at it, Steve, and you can see the willpower that I'm displaying,
00:05:30.860 not allowing myself to get dragged into this subject today.
00:05:34.840 Whilst we're on the subject, let's have those details about the biolabs.
00:05:38.260 But at biolabs, President Trump is in a position to insist that President Zelensky releases these things.
00:05:44.500 MAGA would be very satisfied, very happy, finally, to get these things out.
00:05:49.080 OK, so you've seen my willpower, how I haven't been allowed, I've disciplined myself not to get distracted by those two issues.
00:05:56.520 Breaking news today, Steve.
00:05:58.480 This is, it's coming out, it's changing hour per hour.
00:06:02.400 But there appears to be the consensus.
00:06:06.320 All sides have agreed to a summit in the coming days between President Trump and President Putin.
00:06:13.000 This will obviously be the first time the two leaders have met since Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
00:06:19.640 And I think it builds on the incredible work that U.S. envoy Steve Witkoff has been doing.
00:06:26.340 He finished his third summit yesterday directly in talks with President Putin and Sergei Lavrov.
00:06:32.540 And on the back of those final discussions yesterday, it appears that the terrain now finally is there to have these two leaders to sit down.
00:06:41.400 Zelensky obviously wanted to muscle into this.
00:06:44.180 And the Kremlin said no, so it's just going to be a bilateral at the moment.
00:06:49.380 And then we'll see.
00:06:50.620 I have to say that the actual facts on the ground behind this seem to be scarce and slightly contradictory.
00:06:59.920 First, it was put out that the Kremlin, Putin had asked for this.
00:07:03.720 And then the Kremlin said, you know, that Russia has acceded to this request, has granted this request for a meeting.
00:07:11.040 It is important to find out who actually pushed for the meeting to get some of the background here.
00:07:16.900 Steve, the reason I'm saying even though the facts on the ground at the moment and they're sort of changing and being refined hour by hour are important.
00:07:26.020 I have to say there is something going on here that I think this is serious in a way that I never truly bought into the earlier peace round talks that we've seen over the last three and a half years.
00:07:41.680 Because the ingredients didn't seem to be there.
00:07:45.700 I think they are there now and something will happen.
00:07:48.200 I don't want to get ahead of myself, obviously.
00:07:50.100 We're going to see how this maps out.
00:07:51.700 But I think the needle can move this time around as these two sit together.
00:07:56.200 If you give me 30 seconds, Steve, there is some background going on in Ukraine, I think, that will perhaps be part of the context behind these meetings.
00:08:08.940 The first is that a poll from Gallup, one of the most respected pollsters in the world, pushed out the result.
00:08:16.740 And Semaphore carried this analysis this morning, that seven out of 10 Ukrainians now want a negotiated deal with Russia.
00:08:25.280 And obviously the reason is because they're fed up with being fed into the meat grinder.
00:08:30.760 And the only thing to show for that is territorial losses.
00:08:35.240 There are also soundings coming out, Steve, that say really the Ukrainian front line could probably crumple in around three months or so's time.
00:08:43.080 So those things there are in the background of these forthcoming talks with regards to the viability of the Ukrainian position in the long term.
00:08:53.840 I will simply close with this and hand back to you the fact that the Kiev Independent was reporting a couple of days ago that protests in Ukraine,
00:09:04.080 not to do with the anti-corruption legislation this time, but anti-protest against the centres, the drafting centres, where people are being press ganged.
00:09:14.920 Thank you very much, Denver, for putting that up on the screen.
00:09:17.400 People are so frustrated with their young guys being press ganged off the streets.
00:09:24.320 They now had protests which sort of braided and entered these military drafting centres.
00:09:31.080 The Western press hasn't particularly carried that, but it does show the degree to which the war fatigue has set in now in Ukraine.
00:09:41.680 Well, you see this.
00:09:43.420 I mean, they just allowed, like you said, the 60-year-olds.
00:09:46.520 I mean, they have a massive manpower crisis.
00:09:48.580 And people, I think, this is one of the issues on the Western Front in World War II.
00:09:53.420 The guys that fought, particularly the British Army, fought all the way from North Africa to Sicily, to Italy, then Normandy.
00:09:59.580 When they saw the end of the thing in sight, when you can see the door, you kind of sit there and go, hey, you know, is my ticket going to get punched now or can I avoid this?
00:10:09.600 It's just human nature.
00:10:11.380 That was an issue in World War II, right?
00:10:14.480 The people that had fought for so long or were so, had really worn out is thinking, you know, what do I have to do to get out of this thing, right?
00:10:22.900 This thing is just a grinder.
00:10:23.980 And I think you've seen the Ukraine said that the casualties are horrific here.
00:10:27.860 The Russian casualties are almost unbelievable.
00:10:30.600 But the Ukrainian civilian, and particularly the fact that parents from the beginning and now they're really adamant about it,
00:10:36.620 why are my sons and daughters going to get into this meat grinder with the Russians as they continue to grind when there can be some – it looks like there may be a ceasefire. 0.98
00:10:46.340 It looks like there may be some peace deal, and particularly when they're so desperate, they're allowing 60-year-olds – I don't think they're being drafted, but to volunteer.
00:10:56.100 So how real – because they've got a battlefield advantage.
00:11:01.100 How real do they think that Putin's coming – if he's coming to the White House, they're coming to make a deal.
00:11:05.320 You don't come to the White House not to make a deal.
00:11:06.980 That's not what Trump – President Trump wants.
00:11:09.420 So how real do you think it is, Ben, that we would actually see either a ceasefire or some framework for peace in this area?
00:11:19.240 Well, my age pick up when you suggest that this meeting will be held at the White House.
00:11:23.300 I haven't seen any press confirmations of the venue yet.
00:11:26.500 That has yet still to be announced.
00:11:28.520 The one country that I have seen referred to is the UAE, the United Arab Emirates, is potentially hosting these discussions.
00:11:35.460 Obviously, if it's hosted in the White House, that sets – the implication will be is that President Trump will be – they're primed to push out the victory message that I have achieved peace.
00:11:51.880 Look, I don't know if you're going to have Trump go to – I don't know if you have Trump go to the UAE.
00:11:55.420 But even if it's some third-party location, President Trump's not prepared to come and have it, particularly at the level with him and Putin, where they don't think that there's something they can't hammer out here, correct?
00:12:06.980 Yeah. I mean, both of them are – aren't going to want to be invested in the hype of this imminent meeting if there's any possibility that it's going to end in diplomatic failure.
00:12:22.240 Neither of them, neither President Trump nor President Putin will want that, which is why I think Steve Witkoff has done such an important role here over these sort of meetings that he's been having, four meetings, as I was saying.
00:12:37.020 Directly with Putin and Sergey Lavrov, the foreign minister.
00:12:41.500 If – and I don't think Witkoff is going to allow the president to enter that meeting, either – President Trump, that is.
00:12:48.740 He's going to – will allow this meeting between the two heads of state to take place if it could rebound in any way badly on President Trump.
00:12:57.520 So if the meeting takes place, I think it's because all sides expect it to produce something positive.
00:13:02.720 Exactly.
00:13:04.120 So let's – President Trump driving – we're going to have – we're going to have the situation in Armenia in the second half of the show.
00:13:09.000 So hang on for a second. Let's bring in Tom Dance. Tom, you're back from the Arctic Conference.
00:13:13.080 I wanted to get you on today about the – to kind of talk about this meeting with Putin and President Trump.
00:13:19.640 The new great game is shifting from, you know, places like Ukraine to the Arctic, and this is part of our hemispheric defense.
00:13:29.600 Give us some updates coming out of the conference.
00:13:32.800 Particularly, this is a great power struggle.
00:13:34.920 This is Russia. 0.52
00:13:35.820 This is the Chinese Communist Party.
00:13:37.660 And this is the United States of America.
00:13:39.140 What – coming out of that conference, do you feel more confident that people in the United States are understanding the importance of the Arctic as far as the defense of the United States of America, sir?
00:13:50.440 I do, certainly at the top level of MAGA from President Trump on down.
00:13:56.660 The key thing now is going to be to get the people who can actually implement these plans, putting them into place.
00:14:04.200 One thing, I think Steve Wyckoff's done an exceptional job, as Ben was just talking about, with Russia.
00:14:10.300 But we need to kind of realize that the U.S. and Russia are neighbors, right?
00:14:17.480 We never really think about it that way.
00:14:19.400 But we have a 1,500-mile maritime boundary, right?
00:14:23.380 That's the second longest in the world between – except for Canada and Greenland.
00:14:28.680 And I'm not counting Greenland as part of the U.S. for these purposes.
00:14:32.220 But at one point, we're separated by two and a half miles between big Diomede and little Diomede Islands, right?
00:14:39.340 So what we need to do is focus more on our Arctic.
00:14:43.020 I think that's a key part of this conversation that's going to occur.
00:14:46.660 And like we talked about in Alaska, the posse is ahead of the news here, right?
00:14:52.740 The other big pacing threat that we have is China, China and the Pacific, right?
00:14:57.160 We talked about the Aleutians and their relevance as kind of a key first island chain, if you will, for the U.S. and the gateway to the Arctic.
00:15:07.520 Well, just today we read not only one Chinese vessel, five Chinese vessels in icebreakers, in a conga line heading up to the Arctic.
00:15:17.520 What's more, Russia and China together in the Pacific taking target practice on mock enemy submarines, right?
00:15:26.480 Blowing them up.
00:15:27.420 I wonder who that could be, right?
00:15:29.540 So this is all going on in our Pacific.
00:15:33.280 We need to, you know, Secretary Noem, hats off.
00:15:36.400 She's going to be up in Alaska next week commissioning a new icebreaker for our fleet.
00:15:42.380 It's actually an anchor handling ship that's been repurposed.
00:15:48.040 Key, it's going to be put into work.
00:15:51.140 That's a great first step.
00:15:52.260 We need to also get more active on these Aleutian Islands and protect them.
00:15:56.600 Remember, we talked about Atu and the American sacrifice there in World War II.
00:16:01.200 This is our westernmost point in the United States, a part of Alaska, only miles off the Russian coast of Kamchatka, but today abandoned with all the World War II infrastructure still in place.
00:16:13.700 We have ADAC Island that, you know, has a 22 million gallon fuel depot there.
00:16:20.600 It's shut down, right?
00:16:21.920 These were shut down by the Obama and the Clinton administrations.
00:16:25.900 We need to reactivate our Arctic.
00:16:28.120 Russia has 10 bases across their Arctic, and they keep going.
00:16:31.480 China is sending five research vessels right past Alaska.
00:16:38.120 They're actually picking things up off the shore.
00:16:40.640 Remember, in the Aleutians, we have plenty of these rare earth minerals.
00:16:46.740 You can actually pick up scandium, which goes in our F-35s.
00:16:50.680 You can pick it up right on nodules off the seabed floor, right?
00:16:54.360 So you've got to kind of wonder what the Chinese are up to up there.
00:16:57.980 But we need to build more vessels.
00:17:00.460 That's in the way one big, beautiful bill gave us $8.5 billion to do that.
00:17:05.100 I think we're going to see some action here shortly from the DHS and the Coast Guard, which is great.
00:17:13.100 There's been a lot of noise about Canada and Finland, but I think we also have to look at other groups.
00:17:17.520 Actually, one of our partners in NATO, the Dutch, and one of their leading shipbuilders has probably built more icebreakers on the water in the last 10 years, over 100 that are in service around the globe, including the most sophisticated polar research vessels on the water.
00:17:38.380 And that's in Australia, a ship called the New Yena.
00:17:41.920 And I understand they may be able to have vessels newly built on the water in 2027, which would be fantastic for the United States.
00:17:49.940 So all these things are coming together.
00:17:52.500 I think we have a fantastic team, President Trump, Secretary Rubio, Secretary Noem, they all get this.
00:17:59.260 Secretary Hegseth, Bridget Colby, obviously.
00:18:01.700 But then you don't have America First people at the levels down.
00:18:05.320 You don't have an ambassador to Russia.
00:18:06.940 You don't have an ambassador to the Arctic.
00:18:09.800 You don't have a lot of the kind of, from the DAS level up, undersecretaries down, people who really understand Russia and do it.
00:18:18.200 Look, hey, the CIA started teaching me Russian as a seventh grader in a Baltimore public school.
00:18:23.780 I studied in the Soviet Union as an exchange student.
00:18:26.600 I spent 30 years over there doing business.
00:18:29.540 I like to think I have a little picture into the way they think.
00:18:32.500 But we cannot focus all the time on the eastern border of Ukraine.
00:18:37.480 I spent years over in Ukraine.
00:18:38.880 I was there for the Rose Revolution.
00:18:40.680 It's not Donetsk, Lugansk, Zaporozhye that's important.
00:18:44.620 It's our United States boundary.
00:18:46.780 It's our hemisphere where we have to focus.
00:18:49.460 We've got to bounce back really quick.
00:18:53.220 Give me a minute.
00:18:53.920 Go back to the five icebreakers, the CCP icebreakers.
00:18:57.900 Where are they coming from and where are they headed?
00:19:00.820 They're steaming right up from China, different ports.
00:19:03.600 They've kind of been doodling around Alaska, our Aleutians, up in the Bering Sea, the Chukchi Sea.
00:19:11.460 They're kind of dividing up into the Bering Sea.
00:19:16.280 And, you know, they're going to be working up there.
00:19:19.440 We're not really clear where they're headed.
00:19:21.040 We have one of our – the Healy, our medium icebreakers up there on a tour, and we've got our one last research vessel that's kind of on a tour up there.
00:19:32.880 But that's it from the U.S., right?
00:19:35.420 Our Polar Star, our other icebreakers, that only works half the year.
00:19:40.280 So the question is we don't know.
00:19:43.800 The answer.
00:19:44.840 Tom, social media.
00:19:46.400 Where do people go to get you your writings, everything on social media?
00:19:50.880 This is obviously for hemispheric defense.
00:19:53.640 Nothing will be more important.
00:19:54.720 I'm going to have Tom on back.
00:19:55.860 I think next week we're going to talk about Alaska as one of the most important strategic assets that the United States has.
00:20:03.140 Sir, where do people go?
00:20:04.680 Sir, I'm at TomDanceCFA on X.
00:20:08.820 And if I might, Steve, I want to give the posse a summer reading list assignment.
00:20:14.140 A great book.
00:20:15.500 If you're going on vacation, pick it up.
00:20:17.660 It's Hampton Sides.
00:20:19.000 It's In the Kingdom of Ice.
00:20:21.020 I talked about Wrangel Island and the discovery of the Long Island.
00:20:24.700 Very pertinent to our discussions now with Russia and the Ark.
00:20:28.320 These are islands that today are controlled by Russia but were discovered by Americans with tremendous lives lost.
00:20:35.000 So really a fantastic heroic tale.
00:20:38.260 People will enjoy it.
00:20:39.300 We're talking about the 1880s here.
00:20:41.140 So In the Kingdom of Ice, reading assignment.
00:20:43.540 I will pull that up and make sure we see it.
00:20:47.700 It's a fantastic book.
00:20:48.740 Hampton Sides, one of the great, great, great historians, popular historians, narrative historians, did a great job on Kit Carson and the West.
00:20:57.600 The Kearney, General Kearney.
00:20:59.740 And, of course, just incredible.
00:21:02.080 Incredible.
00:21:02.440 Tom Dance, thank you.
00:21:04.160 And thank you for adding to the reading list.
00:21:05.440 Appreciate you.
00:21:07.400 Ben Harnwell, you got your work cut out for you.
00:21:09.480 As Dan says, hey, it's not the Russian-speaking eastern border Ukraine.
00:21:13.100 That killing field, hopefully President Trump ever got to deserve the Nobel Peace Prize.
00:21:19.640 It's President Trump.
00:21:20.340 And you'll see that in the second half of the show.
00:21:21.980 We talk about Armenia and Azerbaijan.
00:21:25.820 But now the Arctic for the defense of the United States and our hemisphere.
00:21:30.680 Ben, where do they go to get your social media?
00:21:32.900 You're putting up great stuff all day long.
00:21:34.500 Where do folks go?
00:21:35.160 On getter, Steve.
00:21:37.620 Thanks very much.
00:21:38.280 Under my profile at Harnwell, which is simply my surname.
00:21:43.120 Look, if I just follow and conclude with what Tom Dance was saying, anyone listening to him will have reminded for them just the absolute disaster in America's interest perpetrated on America by President Biden and his administration.
00:21:56.920 Russia should never have been allowed to slip into China's clutches like this. 0.86
00:22:02.100 It should have been enticed into joining the Western political philosophical bloc.
00:22:11.500 And, of course, Russia has, I think, 53 percent of the control to the access to the Arctic.
00:22:18.180 And China is pushing in this, trying to muscle in there. 0.99
00:22:22.340 Even in the Arctic, there is a common line of alliance between the United States and Russia.
00:22:28.200 This is one thing you say, you mentioned that President Trump should get the Nobel Peace Prize.
00:22:33.300 I tell you what, I don't know what prize would be more important than the Nobel Peace Prize, but there should be a prize for President Trump.
00:22:42.320 If with his personal authority and charisma, he is able to do something to bring President Putin and Russia back into the Western orbit ever so slightly and away from China, in which case the Nobel Peace Prize would be something to hold the door open with.
00:22:59.880 Ben, thank you.
00:23:03.420 I promise next week you and I are going to spend time.
00:23:05.340 We're going to go back to the perfect phone call and we're going to go back to that situation in Ukraine because you're absolutely, absolutely correct. 0.98
00:23:11.340 It stole at least a year of President Trump's presidency and that all that nonsense.
00:23:16.720 Ben Hornwell, thank you so much.
00:23:18.760 Great, great, great to have you on.
00:23:21.900 Thanks, Steve.
00:23:22.480 God bless.
00:23:22.820 Very special guest about to join us.
00:23:26.120 We got a cold open.
00:23:27.480 I've been waiting for her to come on.
00:23:29.240 Let's go ahead and play it.
00:23:31.240 Supervised release stopped me and my siblings from coming together to release my parents' ashes.
00:23:37.660 My two brothers and I spent almost 20 years in prison for a nonviolent drug offense.
00:23:43.280 Both of our parents died while we were in prison.
00:23:46.480 It killed me and my brothers that we couldn't be there for them in their last days.
00:23:50.640 When we was free, all we wanted to do was spread their ashes together as a family.
00:23:56.900 But being on supervised release, we had to get permission to be around each other, even though we are brothers.
00:24:04.280 We hadn't seen each other in 20 years when my brother's probation officer denied the request.
00:24:10.860 We had no violations while supervision and no violence in our case.
00:24:15.760 But we weren't allowed to come together as a family to mourn and heal.
00:24:20.080 It wasn't just devastating.
00:24:22.040 It was heartbreaking.
00:24:24.060 Supervision is supposed to help people rebuild, reconnect, and re-enter society, not keep families like ours apart.
00:24:31.580 Jessica, the timing of this couldn't be more perfect.
00:24:37.560 I went up to Danbury to collect my cellmate who finally got released, 44 years old, and I think he spent 18 or 20 years, something like that, in either state or federal prison on these kind of RICO charges of, you know, the distribution of drugs where they don't really find you selling drugs.
00:24:55.140 But they get you in some sort of conspiracy, and he's going to a halfway house, but then to supervise release.
00:25:00.220 Talk to me.
00:25:00.700 We've got a couple of minutes on this side, and then we'll hold you through the break.
00:25:03.580 What's the purpose, task and purpose of your organization, ma'am?
00:25:06.700 Yeah, so the Reform Alliance was founded in 2019, and our purpose is to transform probation, parole, supervised release.
00:25:16.260 We've been working all across the country, passed great bills, 22 of them, in states like Georgia, Mississippi, Louisiana, Florida, and now we're working on the federal system and coming to reform supervised release so that families don't have to go through what Duke Tanner there, who you just heard from, has gone through.
00:25:37.120 Hang on, we're going to take a short commercial break.
00:25:42.620 Jessica Jackson joins us, and she's one of the reformers, and here's, I met her through the new team over at Bureau of Prisons.
00:25:50.160 Jared Kushner, Peter Navarro, myself are all kind of in an informal committee to help folks.
00:25:56.380 We've got a new reform group at BOP, the first time I think ever, and Jessica is one of the people that are very involved in this, and what she's talking about could not be more important.
00:26:05.580 This whole issue and concept of supervised release to get people back out into the community and get them productive again, and so she's one of these great, unheralded, unspoken about heroes that are really trying to reform our system of justice in the United States of America, and nothing could be more MAGA.
00:26:25.900 I've got to tell you, President Trump's effort on the First Step Act, absolutely heroic.
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00:31:35.280 Jessica Jackson.
00:31:36.280 So, Jessica, explain to people exactly what supervised release is.
00:31:41.000 You know, what are the different aspects of being incarcerated?
00:31:43.860 And why has this become such a focus for you and your group, ma'am?
00:31:49.500 Yeah.
00:31:50.100 So supervised release is what most folks might refer to as, you know, probation or parole.
00:31:56.460 It's mostly people who have been in the federal system, incarcerated.
00:32:02.520 Now they're home.
00:32:03.960 And in addition to the amount of time that the judge gave them to be in prison, they now
00:32:10.040 have a period of time under which they're on supervised release.
00:32:14.780 And while that may sound like a step down from prison, and it is, it still comes with a risk
00:32:21.860 of people ending up back in prison.
00:32:24.080 And that's not even for committing new crimes.
00:32:26.840 In fact, we saw with First Step Act, we saw about 70,000 people come home from prison having
00:32:35.120 benefited over the last five years from those earned time credits, from the good time credits
00:32:40.000 that the president put in place during his last term.
00:32:43.760 Of those folks, about 9% of them ended up going back to prison, which is actually a really
00:32:50.620 low number because before President Trump signed that bill, it was about 45%, almost half of
00:32:57.280 everybody coming home from prison was ending up back in prison after they had been released.
00:33:02.980 But when you look at that 9% number, you actually see that about half of it is people who haven't
00:33:09.380 even committed new crimes.
00:33:11.220 They just haven't been able to comply with all of the onerous conditions that are being
00:33:16.560 placed on them with supervision.
00:33:18.560 So you might have somebody like Duke Tanner, who you saw there in that video, who can't associate
00:33:25.400 with his brothers.
00:33:27.680 Well, now he can because President Trump just gave him a pardon.
00:33:30.580 But until then, he couldn't even associate with his brothers because they also had criminal
00:33:36.600 convictions.
00:33:37.840 We've heard from a dad who couldn't go help his daughter in the next state with a flat tire
00:33:43.420 in the middle of the night because he wouldn't be able to reach his probation officer to tell
00:33:48.260 them, hey, I'm going to have to leave my county.
00:33:51.840 We've heard from a man who couldn't even take his trash out at night because it was against
00:33:57.820 the conditions that were placed on him.
00:34:00.300 So we're seeing how these conditions are holding people back, especially from the workforce,
00:34:05.840 as opposed to actually helping them.
00:34:08.240 And even worse, they're actually making it harder for the supervision officers because
00:34:13.000 instead of focusing on the cases that really need it, the people who really need to be supervised,
00:34:18.600 they're instead running around with huge caseloads trying to keep up with whether or not people
00:34:23.920 are at meetings on time, whether or not they've gotten a job, whether or not they're leaving
00:34:27.780 the county, et cetera.
00:34:31.400 So you've done this work at the state level.
00:34:34.560 And I want to add, President Trump is really, with everything else he's doing, he's leading
00:34:39.040 a massive prison reform movement in the First Step Act.
00:34:41.800 And I can tell you, having been in prison, that it is, and leave the politics aside because
00:34:47.000 the politics are very smart.
00:34:48.120 It is really rejuvenating people's belief in their families, getting families together.
00:34:53.360 I mean, it's really breathtaking.
00:34:55.220 And Jessica, you've seen all the different aspects he's doing.
00:34:59.040 Why has this not been done at the federal level?
00:35:00.960 You just said, I think you've passed 21 states at the state level, some of these reforms to
00:35:05.900 supervise release.
00:35:07.180 Why has the federal level been so hard to break or it just hasn't gotten around to it?
00:35:13.040 Yeah, it's actually incredible that it hasn't.
00:35:16.480 Look, I came to this issue from personal experience.
00:35:19.600 My first husband was incarcerated, unfortunately, for his drug addiction.
00:35:24.960 And instead of getting the help he needed, he was put in prison.
00:35:28.300 He was able to navigate prison and get out on an early release.
00:35:33.640 And when he did, he got his life back together, was able to get a job, was able to get everything
00:35:39.440 moving in the right direction.
00:35:42.000 While our marriage didn't make it, you know, that's what drove my interest in this issue.
00:35:46.480 And then he got pulled over by law enforcement for having a busted taillight.
00:35:51.380 And unfortunately, that contact with law enforcement being pulled over violated his
00:35:58.540 probation, violated his parole.
00:36:01.420 And so he was actually sent back.
00:36:03.300 It took about 60 days to sort it all out, get him back out.
00:36:06.760 But as you might imagine, an employer can't wait 60 days just holding somebody's job open,
00:36:12.100 right?
00:36:12.440 So he had to really rebuild his life once he came out.
00:36:16.200 And it's not just me that this is personal for.
00:36:19.100 In fact, eight out of 10 Trump voters say that they or somebody they know, somebody they are
00:36:25.760 close to, has been impacted by the criminal justice system.
00:36:29.360 We've got 70 to 80 million Americans right now who are walking around with a criminal record.
00:36:34.860 And you've got about 4 million of them who are on some form of supervision.
00:36:40.580 So you ask why this hasn't been addressed yet.
00:36:43.980 It's just absolutely mind-blowing that it hasn't.
00:36:47.340 And now is really the time to go ahead and do so.
00:36:52.560 Jessica, where do people go?
00:36:54.100 And I know you're going to have legislation come up.
00:36:56.320 We're going to have you back on in the rollout of it.
00:36:58.780 But where do people in the interim, where do they go to find out more about your group
00:37:01.360 and more about you, ma'am?
00:37:02.180 Yeah, so you can follow us on X.
00:37:05.940 It's at Reform.
00:37:07.760 You can also go to our website, ReformAlliance.com, or to SaferSupervision.com if you want to learn
00:37:14.500 about the federal bill, want to sign up to help us.
00:37:17.560 We've got folks from all across the country who have joined the effort.
00:37:22.880 We've got a monthly call for our coalition.
00:37:26.280 We'd love to have people help.
00:37:28.120 We'd love to have people calling on their legislators saying, this is so silly that we're wasting
00:37:32.840 all this money.
00:37:33.960 We want to not only increase public safety, but we also want to reduce the federal deficit.
00:37:39.500 And this is a bill that will do it.
00:37:42.680 Amen.
00:37:43.620 Sister, thank you so much.
00:37:45.620 Honored to have you on here.
00:37:47.460 Great warrior.
00:37:48.540 A great warrior.
00:37:50.800 L. Todd Woods joins us.
00:37:52.160 Todd, everybody's talking about Putin and, you know, maybe a White House meeting, maybe somewhere
00:37:56.980 else, a rapprochement, peace.
00:37:58.820 But tomorrow, and you follow this better than anybody, tomorrow is actually a peace conference
00:38:03.940 at the White House.
00:38:06.860 Tell us who the participants are, why this is such a big deal, and why President Trump's
00:38:10.620 been a driver of this, sir.
00:38:13.140 Well, as you know, Steve, Armenia is the first Christian country.
00:38:16.580 And we were just spent two weeks in Yerevan looking at the history there and why this is
00:38:21.700 so important, because nobody's talking about the persecution of Christians.
00:38:25.600 And luckily, President Trump is doing something about it.
00:38:29.880 The president of Azerbaijan, Eliev, will be there, as well as the prime minister of Armenia.
00:38:36.540 And they will be discussing the Trump route for international trade.
00:38:43.260 It's called TRIPS, Prosperity and Something.
00:38:46.020 And it is a corridor along southern Armenia, along the border of Iran, between an exclave
00:38:53.340 of Azerbaijan and the mainland of Azerbaijan.
00:38:56.620 So many people see this as a brilliant move in that Trump is giving Armenia, the Christian 1.00
00:39:02.440 country, which has been attacked for, as you know, 100 years, the apostolic church is
00:39:07.760 now going to have a soft security guarantee with U.S. contractors on the ground guarding
00:39:12.720 this corridor along the Iranian border.
00:39:15.240 And it's really freaking out the Russians and the Iranians also, because that gives the 1.00
00:39:19.160 U.S. access to that area and basically cuts them out, China as well, from the trade up into
00:39:26.820 Europe.
00:39:27.360 So many see this as a brilliant move.
00:39:29.500 With what's going on in Gaza and contractors, there's a lot of, I guess, worry that you will
00:39:34.360 have Americans in harm's way along the Iranian border.
00:39:37.520 And that hasn't worked out well many times in the past.
00:39:40.080 But I think this is going to be signed tomorrow.
00:39:42.800 So it's a huge deal, and most people are not aware of it.
00:39:47.320 So hang on for a second.
00:39:48.500 Two things.
00:39:48.940 Number one, because I'm pressed for time.
00:39:50.600 Give me this, because you've been on this better than anybody, I think, or as well as
00:39:53.580 the best, the persecution of Christians. 0.99
00:39:56.420 Talk to me about that, because that does not get a lot of attention here in America.
00:40:02.200 Well, and I fault the Christian ministries for this. 0.56
00:40:05.860 I mean, they're not talking about this.
00:40:07.280 You just had thousands of Syrians killed in Syria, and there wasn't a peep out of anyone. 0.98
00:40:12.580 And so we decided we're going to go there and talk about it.
00:40:15.540 And Armenia has a decade-long history of being murdered.
00:40:21.200 I mean, the first genocide of the 20th century was in Armenia, where the Turks killed over
00:40:25.480 two million of them.
00:40:26.560 And it's still happening in many ways.
00:40:28.640 You just had the war with Azerbaijan and Nagorno-Karabakh, which was a historic Armenian Christian enclave.
00:40:36.620 You know, I went to the first Christian cathedral in Etchmiyazdin, right outside of Yerevan, the
00:40:42.660 capital, last week.
00:40:43.720 I saw the spear that stuck Christ in the side while he was on the cross.
00:40:48.060 I mean, Bartholomew, the disciple, brought it up to Armenia.
00:40:51.400 I mean, the history and the real Christian belief system is there in the apostolic church,
00:40:58.600 meaning it came from the disciples, the Armenian Orthodox Church.
00:41:02.380 And yes, we have to talk about this much more.
00:41:04.960 We're going to be in Beirut next week to do the same thing with a team talking about what's
00:41:09.240 going on in the Middle East.
00:41:10.260 Christians have been wiped out of the Middle East, as you know, and I know you've talked
00:41:14.160 about that.
00:41:14.640 So we've got to start raising the bar on the attacks and persecutions on Christianity
00:41:20.220 globally.
00:41:22.180 So, Todd, we're going to give you plenty of time and a platform to get to this, and we're
00:41:26.940 going to have other people, Jason Jones and others, because it's a massacre going over
00:41:30.200 there.
00:41:30.840 Before I let you go, though, because you're as America first as people get, when you talk
00:41:35.280 about this corridor, a lot of people are going, hey, we haven't emptied the sanctuary cities
00:41:39.080 in the United States.
00:41:39.780 We've got so many problems here.
00:41:41.260 What in the hell are we giving any time about some corridor over there?
00:41:43.940 How do you make the argument that that's America first, sir? 0.67
00:41:48.800 Well, I have not made that argument.
00:41:51.440 I've seen both sides.
00:41:52.720 A lot of people are very concerned about, you know, you're supporting Azerbaijan, a Muslim
00:41:56.420 country, with Turkey, and maybe the reason for this corridor has more to do with the Black
00:42:01.920 Sea and the Romanian base we're building on the Black Sea than supporting Christians. 0.91
00:42:07.360 But the byproduct is Armenia gets a soft security guarantee from the U.S.
00:42:12.300 I was on the ground.
00:42:13.800 People are saying, look, we're going to have another war.
00:42:15.260 Pashinyan, the leader of Armenia, is a globalist.
00:42:17.460 He's bringing in migrants. 0.99
00:42:18.680 He's attacking the Orthodox Church, just like they're doing in Ukraine, exactly the same 0.99
00:42:23.220 way.
00:42:23.900 So the government there is not building a better Armenia.
00:42:29.040 They're giving it away for the globalist agenda.
00:42:31.600 So being there may stop the persecution and destruction of the first Christian country ever 1.00
00:42:37.940 in an organized manner.
00:42:40.420 And so I think that's important as a Christian.
00:42:43.080 And for the U.S., it gives us a lot of leverage in the South Caucasus.
00:42:47.940 There is a concern, as I said, over exposure.
00:42:50.300 You're right on the Iranian border.
00:42:52.080 Iranians are very good.
00:42:53.620 You know, the IRGC is very good at taking hostages.
00:42:57.240 So we'll see.
00:42:58.280 But I think hopefully the Trump administration thinks through all this from a security perspective.
00:43:04.080 But the upside is the Christian countries get a guarantee security-wise, and we get access 0.97
00:43:11.160 to the trade and influence in the region.
00:43:14.400 So if you want that, this is going to do that.
00:43:18.360 OK.
00:43:19.060 Tomorrow, we're going to cover this wall-to-wall.
00:43:20.640 It's at the White House.
00:43:21.540 So we're going to cover this wall tomorrow.
00:43:22.920 Pretty historic on President Trump's march to a Nobel Prize.
00:43:25.680 L. Todd Woods, where do we go to get CDM Media?
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00:43:40.540 And thank you, Steve.
00:43:41.720 Good to see you again.
00:43:42.520 You look good.
00:43:44.900 Thank you, brother.
00:43:45.980 Appreciate you.
00:43:47.820 L. Todd Woods.
00:43:49.220 Tomorrow, peace.
00:43:50.180 It's essentially a peace conference at the White House.
00:43:52.860 We're going to be covering it all day.
00:43:56.480 Our own Brian Glenn will be there.
00:43:59.180 Now, I want to turn to Michael Peck.
00:44:00.960 Michael, so today, the President of the United States, on a letter from Tom Cotton,
00:44:06.200 demanded that the Board of Directors of Intel, one of the largest and most important American companies,
00:44:11.020 fire, terminate immediately the chief executive officer because of his relationships with the Chinese Communist Party.
00:44:16.300 Kerry Lake has been on a jihad over at Voice of America to say they're getting rid of all these different things
00:44:23.280 and basically saying, turning it over to the FBI and to Capitol Hill Police,
00:44:27.760 this situation where particularly the Mandarin Language Service saying,
00:44:30.720 hey, I think there's a nest of agents of influence of the Chinese Communist Party or maybe worse.
00:44:37.200 You spent three years of your life getting tortured and it's, I think, eight months of your life running it.
00:44:42.820 But is Kerry Lake right?
00:44:44.740 And is President Trump right that they're individuals that have such close relations with the Chinese Communist Party,
00:44:50.620 they're agents of influence?
00:44:51.900 And things like Voice of America, was it infested with Chinese either spies, agents or agents of influence, sir?
00:45:01.480 Well, I was pretty shocked to hear what Kerry Lake has uncovered.
00:45:04.440 I think it's a huge achievement that she's found all that stuff out.
00:45:07.380 But as she often gives me credit, we began that process.
00:45:11.920 You know, when I was there at the end of the first Trump administration,
00:45:15.260 we got notices from ODNI, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and OPM,
00:45:20.720 that there had been a huge security failure at USAGM, Voice of America and the other networks for over 10 years.
00:45:27.920 They've failed to clear people.
00:45:29.820 A fully a third or a quarter of the people there had not had adequate security clearances,
00:45:34.980 including people with top secret clearances.
00:45:37.360 It was an obvious vulnerability.
00:45:40.280 So it was, and we moved to try to stop it, but we were blocked.
00:45:45.620 Well, I think we started that process.
00:45:48.080 And so, yeah, it's been vulnerable.
00:45:49.900 It's been a soft target for a decade.
00:45:51.640 So it's not really surprising that our enemies have used it.
00:45:55.100 And I had heard when I was there the beginning of rumors of those things that I was going to look into.
00:45:59.260 It's a disgrace that the Biden administration and the four years since have ignored that and let it fester.
00:46:04.560 Hold on.
00:46:07.940 I'm shocked.
00:46:08.740 You're saying when you first got there, as you started to investigate,
00:46:12.700 you were already getting from DNI and other agencies that there were problems,
00:46:16.320 either with security clearances, people didn't have it.
00:46:19.040 Hit rewind and hit that for a second.
00:46:21.240 I don't think that's gotten the proper elevation in the media, sir.
00:46:25.540 Well, you know, like Carrie Lake, I'm not wanting to spend my time dealing with security issues,
00:46:31.680 but we had these notices from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and the Office of Personnel Management that had gone on for a decade,
00:46:40.220 a series of notices.
00:46:41.460 And I just got the most recent one, that we had been ignoring gross security failures.
00:46:47.280 You know, it's an agency of 4,000 people.
00:46:49.300 And I think over 1,000 had failed to get adequate security clearances, including people with top secret clearances.
00:46:55.800 It was just a vulnerability.
00:46:57.840 It got to the point where people were revoking the agency's ability to clear people.
00:47:02.140 I mean, they were taking steps, and we moved to do that.
00:47:05.380 And I was accused of McCarthyism, of thinking there's a spy everywhere, you know, the spy under every desk.
00:47:13.360 You know, but in fact, I did not really want to do this investigation, but I was called to do so by the intelligence services of the United States of America.
00:47:23.740 So it was an obvious vulnerability.
00:47:26.060 And I had heard rumors that the CCP was infiltrating the Mandarin service, and even when we were there, we knew that the, you know,
00:47:35.080 the government of Iran had undue influence in the Farsi service.
00:47:38.940 So it's great that she's uncovering it.
00:47:42.300 It's just a disgrace that it's gone on so long.
00:47:45.380 And in fact, surely Biden did nothing after we called attention to it.
00:47:50.480 But in fact, there's a record of going back 10 years of both Republican and Democratic administrations ignoring this.
00:47:57.720 When I was on the Federalist Radio Hour, I made this point, and I said, you know, we are afraid that spies could utilize these agencies.
00:48:05.540 And I was mocked for using the word spies.
00:48:08.180 My comms department said if I had only said people in the pay of foreign intelligence services, I wouldn't have been mocked.
00:48:15.560 But what are people in the pay of foreign intelligence services but spies?
00:48:21.080 And even when I was there, one or two of them had been brought to my attention by the FBI and others.
00:48:26.580 So it's great that Carrie Lake is uncovering it.
00:48:28.960 It's long overdue.
00:48:30.540 And it's a sign of how unsupervised these agencies are.
00:48:34.960 As you know, Steve, I wrote a piece recently in the Federalist on the difficulty of reforming these kind of agencies.
00:48:40.540 You know, and I think it's our inability to communicate that adequately that puts Carrie Lake in an impossible position. 0.93
00:48:48.220 Whenever Carrie Lake does anything, it looks like she's a lunatic, just like it looked like I was a lunatic, because there are we haven't made the case. 0.72
00:48:57.780 I think Doge missed a great opportunity by only focusing, as that headline says, on waste, fraud and abuse.
00:49:05.680 That's not the only problem.
00:49:07.820 It seems like everybody would be against waste, fraud and abuse.
00:49:10.720 But of course, they're not.
00:49:12.040 In my article that you highlight there, I give examples from the U.S. Agency for Global Media of that failure.
00:49:19.400 But people are not against waste, fraud and abuse in the government, because the more people you're working for, you know, the more power you have.
00:49:25.860 But that's only one problem.
00:49:27.960 The other problem is a lot of these agencies, my own included, were doing things that were not aligned with what President Trump campaigned on.
00:49:37.380 So when we eliminate, say, DEI programs in an agency, it's not because they're wasteful.
00:49:43.340 We'd be against DEI programs if they were highly efficient.
00:49:46.260 In fact, that might even be worse.
00:49:48.680 So that's another category of problem that Doge ignored.
00:49:52.000 And then finally, there's the problem that you called so much attention to in the first Trump administration.
00:49:56.640 That is the administrative state.
00:49:59.060 There are agencies that are completely unaccountable to the president.
00:50:02.680 And in fact, most of the actual government bureaucracy is essentially unaccountable, like the people on my staff, the career people, the U.S. Agency for Global Media, and they undermine the president.
00:50:16.140 But there cannot be a fourth branch of government so that even if these independent agencies did everything right, they would still be unconstitutional.
00:50:23.960 And we need to bring America back to the vision of the founders, the principles of the Constitution, three branches of government.
00:50:33.020 If President Trump could do anything for the 250th birthday of America, I think the founders would appreciate that, bringing it back to its constitutional norms.
00:50:42.760 Wow.
00:50:45.880 Michael Pack, where do people go to get your films, where they go to get all your content, social media, all of it, sir?
00:50:52.300 You're an American patriot, and you, sir, are an American hero.
00:50:56.400 Well, thank you, Steve.
00:50:57.380 They can go to my Palladium Pictures website, which is palladiumpictures.com, to see our videos and our documentaries.
00:51:07.060 Or they could go to my X account, which is michaelpack underscore, to get my writings.
00:51:14.620 But I encourage people to do both.
00:51:17.140 And I appreciate it, Steve.
00:51:19.700 I appreciate your support.
00:51:20.860 No, you're a hero.
00:51:23.960 Michael Pack was tortured by McConnell and these guys for three and a half years and stuck with it.
00:51:28.740 That's a hero.
00:51:29.880 Michael Pack, thank you so much for joining us here in the War Room.
00:51:32.920 Thank you, Steve.
00:51:33.640 We are back tomorrow morning at 10 a.m. Eastern Daylight Time when you will return to the War Room.
00:51:39.400 We're going to leave you with the magnificent music of The Right Stuff.
00:51:43.320 And when you get a chance this weekend, if you have not watched this film or particularly haven't watched it with your family, I strongly, strongly, strongly recommend it.
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