Bannon's War Room - August 20, 2025


WarRoom Battleground EP 833： Unexpected Christian Resurgence In Secular UK As Belief In God Triples Among Youth To Almost 50%


Episode Stats

Length

52 minutes

Words per Minute

153.99867

Word Count

8,155

Sentence Count

506

Misogynist Sentences

3

Hate Speech Sentences

16


Summary

YouGov figures show that in 2019, 45% of 18-24-year-olds reported going to church on Sundays, up from 16% in 2021 to 45% in 2025, a huge turnaround in such a short period of time.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
00:00:07.000 Pray for our enemies,
00:00:09.000 because we're going medieval on these people.
00:00:12.000 I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
00:00:17.000 The people have had a belly full of it.
00:00:19.000 I know you don't like hearing that.
00:00:20.000 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that,
00:00:22.000 but you're not going to stop it.
00:00:23.000 It's going to happen.
00:00:24.000 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
00:00:27.000 MAGA Media.
00:00:29.000 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
00:00:34.000 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
00:00:38.000 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
00:00:44.000 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
00:00:48.000 Good evening, Harnwell here at the helm on Steve Bannon's War Room.
00:00:59.000 And over the next hour, we'll be going into some of the stories that are to do with the Christian faith,
00:01:05.000 the living practice of the Christian faith and those who are trying to undermine it.
00:01:09.000 Packed show for you today. Here's some things coming up.
00:01:12.000 Frank Walker will be briefing us about the embrace of Woke by Holy Pope Leo XIV with his welcoming for the first time ever of We Are Church,
00:01:27.000 which is a radical, militant, anti-Catholic organization.
00:01:31.000 They're being welcomed in full glory.
00:01:33.000 We'll also be hearing from Jenny Holland, who's got an amazing analysis of something of all people CNN picked up earlier on in the week about an atheist,
00:01:46.000 basically converting to belief in God through his 33 years working as a hospice worker, assisting people as they die.
00:01:56.000 And he's talking about the deathbed presences, the angelic presences.
00:02:02.000 Fascinating story. Jenny will be giving a slowdown on that.
00:02:05.000 And then back to Frank at the end of the show, because, you know, this is a humbug alert.
00:02:11.000 This is what we're going to be spoon fed mightily by the mainstream media and the Catholic mainstream media,
00:02:19.000 as they're telling us Pope Leo is returning to the apostolic palace.
00:02:25.000 But first of all, we're going to be starting with some good news today, folks.
00:02:30.000 And this is really, this isn't just good news. This is absolutely astonishing news.
00:02:33.000 And when I first saw this, I had a difficulty to believe it.
00:02:38.000 And this is figures from YouGov's biannual tracker, which revealed that belief in God among 18 to 24 years,
00:02:46.000 this is the UK we're talking about, has almost tripled in only three and a half years,
00:02:52.000 rising from 16% in August 2021 to 45% in January 2025.
00:03:00.000 That's just a little less than half now of 18 to 24 year olds.
00:03:07.000 Believe in God. Huge turnaround in such a very short period of time.
00:03:12.000 Jenny Holland has the details. Jenny, good evening. Welcome back on to the show.
00:03:17.000 Tell me about this. What was your first reaction to this and break it down.
00:03:21.000 Tell us exactly what is going on, because many people have lost hope in the UK, thinking it is unsalvageable.
00:03:28.000 If it is salvageable, it's only going to be through faith in Jesus Christ.
00:03:32.000 And something seems to be aflame. Tell us what it is.
00:03:35.000 It's certainly going to be through these young people, if this YouGov poll proves correct, which I hope it does.
00:03:42.000 I was staggered to read these numbers earlier when you sent me the link.
00:03:47.000 So like you said, 45% of 18 to 24 year olds are reporting going to church on Sundays.
00:03:56.000 And that's up from 16% in 2021. So not even that long ago.
00:04:02.000 Church attendance overall is up 56% in Church of England churches and men among men in 18 to 18 and 24.
00:04:14.000 And there's obviously been a ton of talk about how men are much more becoming much more conservative.
00:04:19.000 Young men are more conservative than their female counterparts.
00:04:22.000 And this somewhat bears it out in that, according to the poll, one in five men between 18 and 24 is now going to church.
00:04:31.000 Staggering, staggering numbers.
00:04:34.000 And women have increased greatly from up from 3%, a mere 3% to 12.
00:04:40.000 Which all of this means that now the 18 to 24 year olds are, and I hope everyone's sitting down in the audience,
00:04:47.000 the second most likely group to attend church in England.
00:04:52.000 So absolutely stunning numbers.
00:04:54.000 The numbers of Catholics or people self-reporting as Catholics going to church are also up.
00:05:00.000 And Bible sales have doubled since 2019, all according to this YouGov poll.
00:05:05.000 I'm absolutely astounded because I think since we've been doing this, Ben, I feel like every week or every other week,
00:05:13.000 I come on here and moan and despair at the Church of England and how it's become this sort of fusty, woke, bureaucratic organization.
00:05:23.000 So this is a very much a counter to that.
00:05:28.000 And I would be fascinated to see how it plays out.
00:05:31.000 I also want to say one other very important thing.
00:05:34.000 Mm hmm. Jenny, let me just stop you there.
00:05:38.000 This renaissance that seems to be taking place across the UK and for our American audience,
00:05:43.000 it's difficult to underline just how atheist and secular the contemporary British mindset is far, far more so than anything you'll find in America.
00:05:53.000 Okay. Is this renaissance taking place because of the Church of England, liberal bishops, liberal pastors in the Church of England,
00:06:05.000 and of course in the Catholic Church, or in spite of their attempts to undermine the faith?
00:06:11.000 What do you think about that?
00:06:13.000 My personal opinion is that it's very much despite that and not because of.
00:06:19.000 And even the there's a sort of a head of networks in the Church of England who was quoted in the piece,
00:06:24.000 urges her own church to to recognize this opportunity and and sort of meet these young people where they're at.
00:06:33.000 I mean, the reality is that my understanding was that congregants in the church before this were quite old.
00:06:40.000 And the so the bureaucracy would be fairly that they would reflect that to some degree.
00:06:48.000 Maybe these young people can inject some new spirit and actual scripture into the organization.
00:06:56.000 And I think what's really interesting, though, is that these stories are popping up whilst in the background we have governments making a concerted effort to portray ordinary God fearing Christians as a far right menace,
00:07:15.000 which we all know was done under the Biden administration.
00:07:18.000 But just earlier in the month, there was a report by a European parliamentary group on sexual and reproductive rights that specifically called out religious people as a far right threat to democracy.
00:07:31.000 And also it was reported earlier this week, but I don't know. It's been on there for some time.
00:07:36.000 The UK's prevent program, which is their supposedly their terrorism or counterterrorism training program where people can go and be deprogrammed from jihadism has turned its sights.
00:07:49.000 Surprise, surprise on ordinary English people and has listed cultural nationalism.
00:07:55.000 So cultural nationalism is listed on prevent on their website as a extreme right wing terrorist ideology.
00:08:04.000 And so this is very interesting to me that on the one hand, you have this bureaucracy, both British and European, that is insistent.
00:08:14.000 And in a very concerted and very dark way, constantly going back to try and convince people that people who pray on Sundays in churches across Europe are an actual terrorist threat.
00:08:29.000 And you on the other side, apparently you have these shocking numbers of young people saying, actually, no, I need to find the spiritual fulfillment and I'm going to go to my local church to get it.
00:08:41.000 So you tell me, Ben. I mean, do you think they're connected? I mean, I certainly do. I certainly do.
00:08:46.000 I think they are connected. I want to bring Frank Walker in just in a moment. But before I do, let me ask you this other question, Jenny.
00:08:55.000 The report notes that hostility and apathy to Christianity seen among older generations are being replaced by openness in Generation Z.
00:09:07.000 I'll use the American terminology here. Generation Z. Brits would say correctly, Generation Z, but as a concession to our largely American audience, Generation Z.
00:09:17.780 Just give me your reading here on this, if you wouldn't mind. Is there a possibility here?
00:09:23.100 And this is something that we've mentioned on the war quite a few times over the years.
00:09:28.480 But might this be a case of the natural rebelliousness of youth rebelling against the woke superstructure here and the insistence, the individuality, the insistence on individuality of kids that every generation seems to produce, at least since the Second World War.
00:09:48.280 But that desire to go against the prevailing stream, is that might be something that we're seeing here.
00:09:55.980 And people are consciously, kids are consciously rejecting this woke superstructure, this ideology and consciously going against it.
00:10:08.720 I definitely think that's part of it.
00:10:10.020 I think that corporations and adult society, like school curricula, advertising, everything that was associated with the man, as they might have said in the 60s, became woke, and virulently so, and really in very over-the-top ways, like with men in little dresses pretending to be women drinking Bud Light, just to name one example.
00:10:37.580 And in the UK, it's everywhere you look, it's trans this and trans that, and it's very, very politicized.
00:10:47.980 The common discourse, the public square is very politicized, but only in this one particular way.
00:10:55.780 It's definitely the state messaging.
00:10:57.460 And that is cringe, that is embarrassing.
00:11:01.980 If you're a young person who wants to rebel, you don't want to have anything to do with Nike or Bud Light or whatever government agency is putting out some embarrassing naff leaflets about how men can have babies too.
00:11:15.860 You know that's not true.
00:11:17.420 And it's really like the emperor has no clothes.
00:11:19.600 I also think, however, that the dating culture in the UK, much like in the States, but it might even be more so, there's a culture of extreme promiscuity, at least as is portrayed in popular culture.
00:11:35.000 Popular culture here, television shows and the like are extremely crass and extremely explicit.
00:11:42.360 And I think that young people are having a very natural and healthy reaction against that.
00:11:49.400 There was a case recently of a woman who has become infamous for bedding, shall we say, a thousand men in one 24-hour period.
00:12:00.120 And this is a British, an English woman, and she's plastered all over the media.
00:12:03.560 Channel 4 just did a documentary about her.
00:12:05.460 I mean, this is a huge turnoff to young people, actually.
00:12:07.620 They really are.
00:12:08.400 It's grotesque.
00:12:09.360 That's Bonnie Blue, I think you're referring to.
00:12:14.400 You see, I know something about popular culture.
00:12:17.420 I'm surprised you know that, Ben.
00:12:20.680 It's my paid job.
00:12:22.240 I have to look at about 800, 850 articles every day, normally in the international news circuit.
00:12:29.700 But Bonnie Blue even breaks it out into the international news.
00:12:33.220 What can I say?
00:12:33.680 He speaks in there.
00:12:34.040 Frank, Frank, and that's the only reason, by the way, I know who this person is.
00:12:40.280 I don't have an OnlyFans account.
00:12:43.600 I can hear the sigh of regret coming out from the War Room audience.
00:12:51.340 Frank Walker, let me ask you something here, if I may, on this question.
00:12:54.640 Do you think, in addition to my question to Jenny just a moment or so ago about this youthful tendency to rebel against whatever the prevailing culture is, being now so dominantly liberal, it's actually giving an opportunity to rebel against that consciously and along a more conservative bent?
00:13:20.000 But let me ask you this, in addition to the woke superstructure dominating the culture in the UK, there is also the presence of Islam.
00:13:29.160 Do you think what we're seeing here, to some extent, is young kids trying to find not only their individual identity, but also their cultural collective identity, and self-consciously saying, look, we're not Islamic, that's not the tradition of our people, we're historically a Christian people, and going out and making that connection that was lost by their parents and grandparents?
00:13:54.920 But it's part of all the other tyrannies, the Islamic oppression in the UK, it's part of a lot of tyrannies.
00:14:04.720 And I think it's, I think that not only are they rebellious by nature, but they have real reasons to say, this is all hit a dead end.
00:14:13.480 This is going nowhere now.
00:14:15.200 There are a lot, young people in that age group, their lives are hard.
00:14:19.800 A lot of times, hopeless.
00:14:20.680 I think half the people in their 30s or under 30 are unmarried.
00:14:27.260 They just, they work, but they realize, and in this piece here, they said that, you know, our parents, our parents didn't have any religion to teach.
00:14:35.180 This is like a third generation.
00:14:36.820 It's only the old people.
00:14:38.140 So they want to try something new.
00:14:39.960 They're not really rebelling against their parents.
00:14:41.660 They're rebelling against society that has left them so unhappy.
00:14:46.200 And I think that's what's driving it.
00:14:47.680 I mean, it doesn't mention in here what's actually driving it, but what concerns me is that they're going into mainline churches that we have been in as young as youth.
00:14:57.540 And we know that those churches will turn them right around and throw them out.
00:15:00.780 They're hopeful.
00:15:01.400 But like, like, Jenny, like you've mentioned, maybe their spirit will be, you know, help to drive a change in these mainline churches.
00:15:11.260 That's what I'm hoping.
00:15:12.600 I don't, you know, you know, there is also says that it's a lot of it is immigration.
00:15:16.560 And here in the States, we have a piece.
00:15:19.480 It's all post-COVID.
00:15:21.020 And so it's this big post-COVID growth in new conversions to Catholicism.
00:15:27.080 But it really also is completely in line with the immigration that happened in the last few years in this country.
00:15:31.560 So, you know, it doesn't really say what the reasons are.
00:15:35.280 And I wish that they tell us why this is happening, this phenomenon.
00:15:38.220 And I hope that they can find actual churches to go to that will help their lives be better.
00:15:45.960 Yeah.
00:15:46.600 And as you're saying, when kids step over the threshold, which is a big thing to do if you're in church, to step over the threshold into a church for the first time, let's pray, hope and pray that they actually receive something of the substance of the Christian faith rather than just liberals, socialists, progressive, communist.
00:16:08.220 Syncretic platitudes, which are the plate of the day in far too many churches.
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00:18:08.740 So Frank Walker, there's this incredibly heterodox organization that has been creating great damage to the Catholic Church.
00:18:19.000 Since the 90s, called We Are Church.
00:18:22.280 And they are now being invited in what the Vatican says, in this form, for the first time.
00:18:31.280 During these celebrations in October.
00:18:36.600 For the Jubilee, as launched by Pope Francis.
00:18:43.120 Now what this means is to say that they're being invited in this form.
00:18:46.800 It means that they're being publicly invited as We Are Church.
00:18:50.160 And this is really the buried lead in this, because as will emerge, as we discuss this in more detail,
00:18:55.480 they have actually been involved since the 90s, off the radar, in a non-organizational capacity,
00:19:02.260 infiltrating themselves and undermining the Catholic agenda.
00:19:06.280 Tell us a bit, if you wouldn't mind, Frank, firstly, because there's no greater observer than these things are new.
00:19:11.760 What is this organization?
00:19:12.800 And what was your reaction to the fact that they are now being welcomed brazenly with open arms by the new Vatican regime?
00:19:25.660 It should be a message that I really hope gets out there, because they continue to talk about Pope Leo.
00:19:32.440 You know, today, Cardinal Berkerson, he's so Christocentric, whatever that's supposed to mean.
00:19:36.780 I mean, all the Catholic press, all the former faithful press is pushing Leo.
00:19:41.380 He's so faithful.
00:19:43.080 He's so different.
00:19:44.560 And here he is meeting with these, what they call dinosaurs, people who are interested in really undermining the doctrine of the church in the jubilee of synodal teams.
00:19:55.320 I didn't know they had a jubilee of synodal teams.
00:19:57.720 So not only are they in this holy jubilee, but they're also representing synods, which is, you know, an opportunity for them to infiltrate and screw up doctrine and screw up practice under the guise of a democratic process.
00:20:13.180 They're going to be meeting with Leo.
00:20:14.940 They don't say how long they're going to meet with him, but they're going to go through that holy door.
00:20:18.540 Remember when Francis, because that's the jubilee door, when Francis sort of co-opted the holy door to be a door of mercy.
00:20:24.700 So it's sort of like a fake sacrament.
00:20:28.600 You walk under the door and all of a sudden your sins are all forgiven and you're absolved and you're on your way to heaven.
00:20:36.020 They're very excited.
00:20:37.240 We are church co-founders said about being able to go through this holy door.
00:20:40.880 But like you said, in the past, they've done synods.
00:20:44.120 They've been at papal conclaves, or at least on the sidelines.
00:20:47.520 They've done a lot of stuff with the church already.
00:20:49.480 Frank Walker, you very bravely, as did the war room, within the first moment that Pope Leo emerged on the lodger, you very bravely said, beware, folks.
00:21:04.860 This is most likely to be Pope Francis 2.0.
00:21:09.780 Does this confirm that thesis?
00:21:12.620 That's my first question to you.
00:21:14.100 And my second question is, all of the professional trad Catholics, trad Inc., use this platform here on the show today.
00:21:25.820 Call them out and say to them, what are you looking at from them on this kind of development?
00:21:32.420 They have a reach in the Catholic Church as well.
00:21:34.620 Are you expecting them just to keep this under the sand, carry on talking about Leo being someone we can work with?
00:21:42.740 Let's not judge him too quickly.
00:21:46.540 Call them out on this.
00:21:48.360 What can they do to insist on orthodoxy?
00:21:52.460 This is exactly Francis 2.0, because it's a scandal.
00:21:56.900 It's a terrific scandal.
00:21:57.880 It's an official meeting with Leo.
00:22:00.700 And the point is, they're very happy about it to be invited to it, that they want to correct the mistakes of the past.
00:22:08.120 And what is the church if it's not the opposite of scandal?
00:22:12.680 The church is supposed to encourage people to live good lives and go to heaven.
00:22:17.520 What this is doing, what Pope Leo is doing here, also through the Synod, is to encourage people to live bad lives, to flout doctrine, to lift up heresy.
00:22:29.300 See, this is the Pope that you're saying is the great new Pope, the great new Savior of the Church.
00:22:36.860 Everything is going back to normal.
00:22:38.960 It's like, you know, Pope Benedict all over again.
00:22:41.880 And I don't think that it is.
00:22:43.140 I think that it's quite different.
00:22:44.180 I think it's Francis, just with better press, better PR.
00:22:48.200 So I expect you people in the Catholic media, the trad Catholic media, the trad Inc. media, to just smooth this over, say that it doesn't count, ignore it, pretend that it didn't happen, and find out a bunch of excuses to make light of it.
00:23:04.220 But really, I mean, it's integral to the Synods.
00:23:07.220 It's integral to what Leo is.
00:23:08.720 And if you look at Leo, all Leo's stories, it's all just like this.
00:23:12.880 You know, he's at Castle Gandalfia.
00:23:14.300 Oh, that's so, that's so traditional of him.
00:23:17.840 But it's turned into a climate conference center, and he uses it to promote that stuff.
00:23:22.260 Oh, he's moving into the papal palace.
00:23:24.080 But he's having a converted into, like, this condo with all of his buddies.
00:23:28.580 You know, he pretends on the surface to be Catholic.
00:23:32.980 Meanwhile, you can see here, and there's also another gay group that's having a pilgrimage.
00:23:38.080 It's almost like a gay pride parade happening at this same jubilee event, and it's on the agenda.
00:23:44.860 So what do you say?
00:23:46.640 So you're, and we'll be discussing the move back to the apostolic palace just after the break.
00:23:57.440 But you're quite firm about this, Frank Walker, right?
00:24:00.160 You're calling on Trad Inc. not to leave the heavy lifting to Canon 212 and to Steve Bannon's war room.
00:24:07.500 They've got to come out, put their shoulder to the wheel, and hold this Vatican to account, right?
00:24:13.000 Let me just read out what this organization, We Are Church, because even many Catholics won't be familiar with it.
00:24:18.760 What it says about itself, it says it has a presence in or is cooperating with similar groups in more than 30 countries,
00:24:28.160 also advocating for LGBTQ plus reforms within the church, endorsing blessings for same-sex couples,
00:24:35.960 and calling for an end to the exclusion of LGBTQ persons.
00:24:41.280 So that was back in 2021.
00:24:43.720 So there is no way that this is integratable, if I can use that word, with Christian, with a traditional Christian, traditional Catholic viewpoint.
00:24:54.160 And yet it is pretty much radio silence from so much of the professional Catholic media.
00:25:01.900 Now, let me just come back to you on this point.
00:25:05.700 You are calling for the Catholic, the conservative Catholic, Trad Catholic Inc. to come out and say this is unacceptable.
00:25:18.740 Yes, because he endorses this.
00:25:20.960 He has asserted the gay blessings of Francis, and he endorses this ratification of the gay lifestyle,
00:25:28.400 pushing it out there, making people think that it's okay.
00:25:32.520 And also, women leadership in the church is a big part of their platform, and he wants that too.
00:25:36.400 He's made it very clear.
00:25:37.240 He's put women in charge of the church, which is against really the constitution of the church.
00:25:42.440 It's a fundamental thing wrong with having nuns run these dicasteries.
00:25:47.260 And so he supports their agenda.
00:25:49.800 And I don't think it's right for you to pretend otherwise.
00:25:52.480 You know, you mentioned the word scandal before, and that's exactly what this is.
00:26:00.100 Funny enough, in talking about people using their time on Earth to prepare themselves for eternal life with Jesus Christ,
00:26:08.500 I think the most spiritually rewarding statement on this I saw on the international sphere, on the world sphere,
00:26:16.860 was actually from President Trump himself, who, in a somewhat light-hearted comment,
00:26:22.000 mentioned that in terms of getting to heaven, perhaps he's not doing so well, being at the bottom of the totem pole.
00:26:27.700 But he wants to get to heaven, and he's hoping that his work trying to encourage peace in Ukraine will help him get it there.
00:26:34.100 I thought, you know, he wasn't making a theological discourse, Frank,
00:26:38.600 but I think what he said in the context that he made it carries far more weight in encouraging the faithful
00:26:44.740 to think about living lives worthy of the afterlife than anything that's coming out of Leo Vaticano.
00:26:51.660 Stay with us, folks.
00:26:52.760 We'll be back to continue these themes in just a few short minutes.
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00:31:13.320 Well, one of the ways you can tell that the times are changing is that a news organization,
00:31:19.460 if I might use that term generously, like CNN, publishes a very long article about people
00:31:27.540 being converted from atheism to religious belief on the basis of supernatural experiences they've
00:31:35.220 had, they've undergone, assisting the death of people by their bedside.
00:31:41.640 Now, Jenny Holland, you are, as I often say on this show, an atheist who prays the rosary
00:31:50.100 every day, and you flagged this story up for me, and I read it, and I was actually very moved
00:31:56.420 by this, and I think CNN compliments to CNN, I think they handled this very tastefully.
00:32:02.280 Why don't you talk us through this and say exactly what the thesis behind this guy Scott
00:32:07.800 Jensen is, what his life story is, and why CNN are covering it?
00:32:15.260 Yeah, I think the most shocking thing about this was that it was in CNN, because the rest of it
00:32:21.480 feels very real and true, even though it's talking about the quote-unquote supernatural.
00:32:27.440 But yeah, it's a very lengthy piece about a man who has worked in hospice care for three decades,
00:32:34.820 33 years, and he started out as sort of a slightly disgruntled atheist who had grown up in an Irish
00:32:43.340 Catholic family in the States, obviously, and how for many years, as he went about this very
00:32:50.920 difficult work. He never, while he saw people have many types of experiences in these sort of
00:32:57.400 last, sad, poignant moments, he was skeptical and never bought that there was anything on the other
00:33:04.480 side. And that eventually changed, and it changed because of an encounter he had with a patient in
00:33:12.460 his 90s, who was dying of cancer, and the man had been a World War II veteran, and had told him a story,
00:33:20.220 because one day he came to take care of the man, and the man was, who had been very depressed,
00:33:25.580 was feeling much better and much perkier, and he asked why, and the patient replied that he had been
00:33:31.480 visited that night by an old apparition that had come to him multiple times during his time in World War II.
00:33:40.820 So over that span of 50 years, or longer, sorry, much longer decades, when this man was at the end of
00:33:49.220 his own life, the soldier from the 1940s came back to him, and he was very happy to see him, and then
00:33:57.540 the man died like the following day. So essentially, this soldier who died in front of the patient in the
00:34:05.920 1940s, and had stayed with him throughout the war, and kept reappearing to him during the war,
00:34:11.500 and then never appeared again, came back at the end of the man's life. And when the hospice worker
00:34:17.540 heard this story, something kind of started to shift in his mindset, and he became much more open to
00:34:23.080 other families' stories. And there's many of them in the piece, and I urge everyone to read it.
00:34:29.080 And honestly, I found it, it was hard to stay composed. It was very moving. A young father
00:34:36.700 dying of cancer who reports a young child coming to his bedside and encouraging him and telling him
00:34:45.960 not to fear that his children that he's leaving behind are going to be okay. I feel like I'm also
00:34:50.840 getting somewhat choked up even thinking about it. And he said that this has not only opened up
00:34:57.560 his mind to what happens after we die, and the fact that maybe we're all connected, and we're all
00:35:03.320 returning to our source, which he says to him is God. Very interestingly, he also says that it's changed
00:35:10.220 his view of humans, of people, and that he had been cynical and grumpy about people. And that's changed
00:35:18.300 because he's seen them go through these experiences that really are extraordinary. And these are
00:35:24.700 ordinary people going through extraordinary things. And I think that is, that's part of, to me, what
00:35:30.700 actually the war room is about, if that doesn't feel like a stretch. But that's to me what the war
00:35:36.700 room audience is. And it's really interesting to see CNN sort of giving ordinary people the credit
00:35:44.060 they deserve for having these extraordinary lives and experiences.
00:35:51.660 The journalist here even went back and spoke to some of these guys, this guy's fellow
00:35:59.980 colleagues in hospital, in palliative care in the 90s, to ask him what kind of guy he was. Is he
00:36:07.260 someone who's susceptible to this sort of religiosity? And they said sort of 30 years ago, 35 years ago,
00:36:13.980 he was extremely different, very sceptical on these issues. So I thought that the fact that they'd
00:36:21.580 done that, they'd done the digging, and they'd gone back and spoken to some of his colleagues at that
00:36:26.060 time, bolstered the credibility of the general thesis of this article. We are always discussing on
00:36:34.540 this show opportunities of trying to get people, because obviously, the whole point fundamentally
00:36:43.740 is to, you know, is to equip ourselves, or be equipped if we accept, accepting the grace of
00:36:49.980 Jesus Christ to get to heaven, to spend eternity with God in heaven. So anything that is, that we can
00:36:58.060 stretch out, perhaps, and give to people so that they might consider the Christian proposal in a new
00:37:04.780 way if they may not have considered it before. Perhaps they'd been badly scandalized by so-called
00:37:09.580 believers and the way they lived. They just rejected Christianity completely. There are so many reasons,
00:37:18.780 but I think stories like this have a huge important role to play, because you can get believers, people
00:37:26.540 who believe, can give them to their friends who don't believe and say, look, have a look at this,
00:37:32.620 consider it, and then ask yourselves what they might, because it even says that this guy himself,
00:37:38.620 35 years ago, believed that there was no life after death. Quite militant about it. This life was,
00:37:45.580 you know, you are your own God sort of thing. And he's done a conversion. And I think stories like
00:37:50.140 this, in a non-dogmatic way, can open the door to people to considering the wider, deeper meanings,
00:37:59.900 supernatural meanings to life. And then, of course, you can take that further with them,
00:38:07.020 with the fullness of the Christian faith. Frank, you've seen this story. Tell me,
00:38:12.940 what was your reaction to it? Well, I just did, I think that this is a fairly common thing that
00:38:18.940 people in this profession have these experiences. Like Jen's saying, this is a human thing. This is
00:38:25.420 the regular, everyday human thing. And a priest that I've known that regularly come and visit people,
00:38:33.100 they see things like this happen all the time. They see healings, they see supernatural experiences.
00:38:38.300 In my own experience, when my mother-in-law was dying, she saw her father come to talk to her.
00:38:44.620 And then the hospice people would come in one after another, because she was dying in our house.
00:38:48.940 And they would, they would, lots of times they'd be faithful. They would, they would be very faithful,
00:38:53.340 and they would sing hymns, and they would do things like that. And I remember hearing,
00:38:56.860 trying to sleep and hearing a hymn. And it just kind of turned into this music that was so beautiful that I'd
00:39:02.780 never heard before, instruments that I'd never heard before. And I told myself, this must be
00:39:07.900 what angels sound like when they're playing, you know, this was what I thought at the time. But
00:39:12.780 when you, you hear an instruments playing that you've never, that don't even really exist.
00:39:18.060 So I think that these supernatural experiences are quite common and it's very encouraging.
00:39:22.860 You know, death, uh, death brings a lot of conversions. People look at their whole life
00:39:27.980 and they realize they're getting ready to face death. And they realize, I need to repent now.
00:39:32.940 I need to prepare for what's coming next. That's what I think.
00:39:39.420 Which obviously the important thing to say on this is that is it folks don't leave this to the last
00:39:44.700 moment, right? Um, death, deathbed conversions are always beautiful. And I've seen one myself. Um,
00:39:52.700 but the whole joy of, of, of Christianity is actually living it, um, in one's daily life.
00:39:58.620 As good as deathbed conversions are, there's a real grace about living, living a Christian life,
00:40:04.700 a practicing Christian life with, with the church community. Jenny, have you ever had, um, Frank just
00:40:10.620 gave us an experience of the death of his mother-in-law? Just, I don't want to invade your
00:40:14.700 personal privacy, but have you ever had any experience that, that mirrors some of what is
00:40:21.020 mentioned in this article? Yes. In fact, um, it was the first time that I began to countenance that,
00:40:33.260 um, there was another dimension because it was when my father died and he died young. He was only 56
00:40:39.420 and I was in my twenties and I was very close with my father and my father was a very, very strident
00:40:45.580 atheist. Um, and he died of cancer. Um, so these stories of these people dying of cancer are very
00:40:51.660 much resonant with me. And there's so many people who go through this terrible, terrible experience.
00:40:57.020 So many millions of people go through this. Um, and when my father was very ill, he began to say
00:41:02.620 things that were unlike him. And he asked one day to no one in particular to the room, um, what comes
00:41:11.100 next? And instead of, um, what he would have said before, which was, you know, nothing, it's the grave
00:41:17.260 and nothing. And he actually said unknown territory. So I think in his own mind, you know, as he was, um,
00:41:24.460 getting ready, his physical body was getting ready to die. I think his soul actually was activating
00:41:31.100 itself. And then even more intensely was the night before he died. And I actually didn't expect him to
00:41:37.420 die imminently. Um, but I had a dream and in my dream, um, he essentially told me that I had to let go.
00:41:45.340 Um, and I think that was his, or, or, you know, it was something from beyond telling me that to try
00:41:55.580 and prepare me. And I think it actually helped. And it also helped out in the aftermath when you
00:42:02.460 lose someone that you love very much. Um, I felt like I had received like a special message and I
00:42:08.780 still have that special connection with them. And again, you know, death is the great leveler.
00:42:13.420 Um, it comes for us all. And, you know, we all have family members that are either aged and ailing
00:42:20.460 through that, or God forbid, young family members sick and dying. Um, and I think in the modern world,
00:42:29.100 we're so terrible at, um, knowing how to deal with death because it's very, it's been very sanitized.
00:42:35.140 It's been removed from us. And because society has become so secular, the rituals surrounding it,
00:42:40.820 um, have been almost taken away by for large parts of society. There are very few, there are no rituals
00:42:47.380 left. Um, and I think that it's so interesting that the CNN devoted so many words to a, an article that
00:42:56.720 talks about this. Um, and maybe it indicates that there's something of a reckoning happening again,
00:43:03.780 in this overly secular society when people are starting to figure out that they've actually
00:43:09.220 lost something when they threw out religion.
00:43:13.940 I want to thank you both for, for, for, for your contribution on, on this talk, um, on this story.
00:43:20.420 Yeah. Um, in a funny way, though, I hadn't planned it like this, Jenny, it sort of follows on from what
00:43:26.260 you were saying about the resurgence of Christianity in the youth, um, in the UK. There's a, there is
00:43:32.100 definitely something going on. These are the sorts of things that I, I, I, um, I, um, I like to bring
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00:45:47.700 Now, as we approach the end of the show today, I did, Frank, want to mention this story that was, um,
00:45:56.100 that's basically in most of the mainstream press and nearly all of the Catholic media to do with the
00:46:02.020 fact that his humbleness, Pope Leo XIV is moving from the hotel. Well, he was never in the hotel. He's
00:46:11.860 moving, I think, from some quarters around the side of the Vatican. But the the papal living quarters are
00:46:17.860 moving from the hotel where Bergoglio had a whole floor all to himself in a very humble fashion, um,
00:46:25.540 back to the traditional place of the apostolic palace. My, um, look, my, my warning to, to all
00:46:32.580 faithful Catholics and all people of goodwill on this is just to resist, to be aware of the humbug and to
00:46:38.740 resist the humbug, uh, on this. I want to highlight this story, however, because it is very much part of this
00:46:46.660 narrative. Frank, you alluded to it earlier on in the show that Leo XIV is the return to tradition.
00:46:54.740 Here we see the Pope moving back to the apostolic palace, which is the historic home of Popes in the
00:47:01.780 Vatican. Uh, just quickly your, your thoughts and analysis on this, please. Well, he's, he's,
00:47:08.500 he's adding rooms. If Francis had let the place get all moldy, you know, but now they're working on it
00:47:13.300 and they're keeping it tight lipped and he's going to have room for three or four other people.
00:47:17.700 I'm not sure they, they don't say who they're going to be. I would like to know who they're
00:47:21.540 going to be. One of them is going to be Edgard, his personal secretary, who has been, he's known
00:47:25.780 since he was 15 years old. Just a couple of weeks ago, they got haircuts together. They get their
00:47:30.500 haircuts together with a, with a Peruvian barber. But I just, I would, there's a lot of red flags.
00:47:37.940 Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
00:47:41.700 Frank Walker, are you trying to suggest a, are you, are you bringing, are you bringing this on?
00:47:48.340 Are you, are you, are you fixing your beady cynical eyes on this story and bringing it to
00:47:54.740 the attention of the war room audience as if there might be something more interesting
00:48:00.580 behind this than is what's being mentioned?
00:48:02.500 I am very cynical. There's nothing wrong with two guys getting their hair cut together. And,
00:48:08.180 and, you know, one of them has, has been, um, as, as he's known since he was 15 years old,
00:48:12.180 there's nothing wrong with that. That's just, you know, it could be fine, but all of these things kind
00:48:16.900 of add up. This story being kept under wraps, they've been building it for, I don't know how
00:48:20.980 long they've been rebuilding this and not saying anything about it. Maybe even before Leo was elected.
00:48:25.060 And then who do they bring out to defend it? They bring out Father James Martin.
00:48:29.060 Why is Father James Martin a part of this story? And he tells them that we should all defer to
00:48:33.940 Leo's holy discernment and all things. We're talking about his apartment. Is it going to be
00:48:38.580 rooms? Is it going to be suites? I don't know. How many people are going to, what I want to know,
00:48:43.620 and I don't mean to be cynical and beady-eyed again here, are they going to be doubling up in
00:48:47.540 there? Is there going to be enough, is there going to be enough room for everybody in there?
00:48:51.460 I, you know, it reminds me of turning what was a place where there wasn't as much privacy,
00:48:56.500 where you had people that were helping security into more like a bishop's condo or that penthouse
00:49:03.140 that Cardinal World used to have in Washington, D.C. It reminds me of that. It's getting kind of
00:49:07.620 private. Why does it need to be so private? And why does Father, why does Father Martin have to chime
00:49:13.140 in? Those are some of the red flags I have about the story.
00:49:15.860 So you're basically saying if Thomas Rezica was up to this, you might, you know, the Catholic
00:49:24.500 media world might have slightly more to say on the matter. Yes, the Catholic media might.
00:49:32.500 Okay. But, you know, these are just the sorts of things that we're going to, yeah. And you're
00:49:37.140 right. James Martin, of all people, comes out and posts on Twitter that Leo's move should not be
00:49:44.900 taken as a sign either of a critique of Pope Francis or as him not living simply. We need
00:49:53.300 to trust Pope Leo's discernment in this and all things. Total humbug. And that's why, you know,
00:50:01.620 that's why Canon 212 exists. It's why the War Room exists. On the subject of which all these stories,
00:50:07.460 Frank Walker, we're very appreciative of you that every week we discuss these things and you post
00:50:15.060 the links on your website, Canon 212. Folks, please go to the website for this and analysis
00:50:22.420 throughout the week. And also, the rest of your social media, Frank Walker?
00:50:28.180 Canon 212.com is the site and you can see the daily update at Gloria TV and at Rumble and
00:50:36.020 the Twitter is Canon 212 spelled out all together. And folks, you do need to type it out all together
00:50:43.700 because it is undergoing algorithmic suppression by Google. Coincidentally, Frank, I think from
00:50:50.020 round about the time, the very week that you started appearing on Steve Bannon's War Room. So,
00:50:54.660 great news resource, Frank. And thank you, folks. Go to his website, Canon 212 for the links of the
00:51:02.020 articles we discussed this week. Jenny, very quickly, your social media, where do folks go?
00:51:07.380 You can find me on X at SemperFamina21, but all of my substacks are at jennieeholland.substack.com.
00:51:16.420 And now on YouTube. I didn't send you the link, but it's at Saving Culture From Itself on YouTube.
00:51:21.860 Jenny Holland, Frank Walker, my great thanks to you for joining us on the show. We'll be back
00:51:29.540 next week. Thank you to our crack team in Denver and to our producer, Cameron Wallace,
00:51:35.380 for putting today's show together. God bless. Keep safe.
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