Bannon's War Room - August 22, 2025


WarRoom Battleground EP 835： UK Academic Says US And “All The Major Countries Of Europe” Face Civil War Over Mass Migration


Episode Stats


Length

53 minutes

Words per minute

130.17703

Word count

6,917

Sentence count

503

Harmful content

Hate speech

7

sentences flagged


Summary

Summaries generated with gmurro/bart-large-finetuned-filtered-spotify-podcast-summ .

The UK is heading towards civil war, and nobody knows how to stop it. Professor David Betts and Tim Stanley discuss the possibility of civil war in the UK, and why the state is failing to deal with it.

Transcript

Transcript generated with Whisper (turbo).
Hate speech classifications generated with facebook/roberta-hate-speech-dynabench-r4-target .
00:00:00.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
00:00:07.000 Pray for our enemies.
00:00:09.000 Because we're going medieval on these people.
00:00:12.000 I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
00:00:17.000 The people have had a belly full of it.
00:00:19.000 I know you don't like hearing that.
00:00:20.000 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that,
00:00:22.000 but you're not going to stop it.
00:00:23.000 It's going to happen.
00:00:24.000 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
00:00:27.000 MAGA Media.
00:00:29.000 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
00:00:34.000 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
00:00:38.000 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
00:00:44.000 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
00:00:55.000 Good evening. Ben Harnwell here at the helm.
00:00:57.000 Welcome to Steve Bannon's War Room.
00:01:00.000 We've got a one-off special today.
00:01:02.000 And if we get a lot of engagement on social media, do let us know.
00:01:07.000 Let me know if you're in contact with me on Getter.
00:01:09.000 Let Grace know if you're in contact with her.
00:01:11.000 If we get a lot of engagement, perhaps we'll continue the theme.
00:01:15.000 What we're looking at is something that Steve Bannon referred to earlier on in the week, which was Colonel Kemp, a UK retired colonel, had mentioned that the UK was heading towards civil war.
00:01:29.000 Well, that got my ears pricked up.
00:01:32.000 And we're very honoured to have on the show today, Professor David Betts.
00:01:38.000 This guy is really, I think, one of the most original thinkers in the UK, an academic.
00:01:43.000 And he's really the guy who first started putting some serious thought into the possibilities of a total fracture in UK society.
00:01:55.000 What I hope to do is explore this theme going forward over the next few weeks and have an opportunity for in-depth conversation with some of the names in the news who are thinking about this.
00:02:11.000 Because obviously it has ramifications right across the political spectrum.
00:02:16.000 As I say, we're very honoured that Professor Betts is going to be coming on the show.
00:02:21.000 First, however, I'd like to bring on Tim Stanley, who's a great journalist at the Daily Telegraph, who wrote about this a couple of months ago.
00:02:31.000 All of the links were put out on our Getter channels.
00:02:35.000 So we're referring to those, obviously, on Rumble as well when I put out the video.
00:02:43.000 But let's, Tim, you mentioned this.
00:02:47.000 You obviously referred to David Betts as well in your piece.
00:02:50.000 There's the headline, Britain is lurching towards civil war and nobody knows how to stop it.
00:02:56.000 Before we hear from the man himself, just give me, if you would, a quick opener on this theme.
00:03:02.000 What first attracted you to this rather shocking thesis that the UK is not a very stable society right now and could indeed head towards civil war?
00:03:18.000 It's based upon a general feeling of tension in British society.
00:03:22.000 When we talk about civil war, it's important to define that.
00:03:25.000 We're not talking like the United States civil war, big army north versus south.
00:03:29.000 We're talking about the potential for social strife, anarchy or civil insurgency.
00:03:34.000 And one might argue that we've had that in the past.
00:03:37.000 We've had terror campaigns like the IRA.
00:03:39.000 And one might argue that we're going through it right now.
00:03:42.000 Last year, we had very significant urban riots.
00:03:45.000 This year, we've had a series of protests outside what are called migrant hotels.
00:03:49.000 And what it's rooted in is a decline in the competence of the state and in trust in the state, which has been made much worse by the policy of mass migration, which leads to a competition over resources and a growing sense of cultural fragmentation.
00:04:05.000 And because many people perceive that mass migration is something they didn't vote for, that it was a conspiracy against them, they feel locked out of ordinary democratic processes.
00:04:14.000 So we're seeing a rise in petty vandalism.
00:04:18.000 We're seeing a rise in disrespect towards the police, a rise in disengagement from politics and a rise in rioting.
00:04:24.000 And when that happens, the state always pushes back.
00:04:27.000 When the state pushes back, that delegitimizes it further.
00:04:31.000 So you'll know that after last year's riots, a great number of people were locked up for a very, very long time.
00:04:36.000 And that sends the message that the state is picking a side in a culture war.
00:04:41.000 It's not your side.
00:04:42.000 And therefore, you can't trust the state.
00:04:44.000 And that then leads to more protesting.
00:04:46.000 And that then leads to more rioting.
00:04:48.000 So the point is, is that we are stuck in this loop of growing tension, that we are not saying – I don't want to put words into Professor Betts' mouth.
00:04:57.000 He's a very interesting man, a proper academic.
00:05:00.000 He's not crazy.
00:05:01.000 We are not saying that we are lurching towards a north-south cavalier round-haired war.
00:05:07.000 What we're talking about is fraying social relationships, decaying trust in the state, and a rumbling low-level insurgency, which will result either in disorder or, I think equally as worrying, an authoritarian turn by the government.
00:05:25.000 I think for the first time in my life, it is conceivable that the British might vote for a party that is openly racist.
00:05:32.000 And that is a tragic outcome of mass migration.
00:05:36.000 It is not something I would want.
00:05:39.000 Thanks, Tim.
00:05:40.000 Thanks for that synthesis.
00:05:41.000 Let's hear from the man himself then.
00:05:44.000 Professor Betts, welcome onto the show.
00:05:46.000 Thank you for coming.
00:05:47.000 You're a professor of war and conflict studies in the modern era.
00:05:51.000 And I think some of your thinking is absolutely fascinating.
00:05:54.000 Let's start off with an easy one.
00:05:57.000 Pat, an easy one.
00:05:58.000 You've made the suggestion that the UK is starting to resemble the term failed state, which is something that is normally applied to overseas foreign countries.
00:06:13.000 Would you just give a quick word on that and say what things, following from what Tim himself was saying as an analysis on your work, in your own words, what would you point to to justify that conclusion?
00:06:29.000 So my point is that Britain today exhibits all the standard warning signals of a country which is vulnerable to the outbreak of civil war.
00:06:44.000 There are fundamentally three that are important.
00:06:46.000 These are structural and long term.
00:06:48.000 They don't emerge.
00:06:49.000 They haven't simply emerged recently.
00:06:51.000 They've been building for a long time.
00:06:53.000 The first is the factionalization of the society, which is increasingly of a type which I call, which is known in the literature as polar factionalization, where people are not disagreeing on issues per se.
00:07:08.000 They're essentially differing in accordance with what they think is the consensus view of their tribe.
00:07:15.000 And this is a form of factionalism which only occurs when people are beginning to feel unsafe.
00:07:21.000 It's a reflection of a perception of insecurity in society that makes people wish to look to their tribe for security.
00:07:28.000 The second factor is a perception on the part of a formerly dominant majority that they are losing their status in society, that they are trending ultimately to a minority status in their own society.
00:07:45.000 And that tends to be a very, that is a very significant predictor of civil conflict.
00:07:52.000 And that basically is the situation throughout much of the Western world, particularly in Western Europe and increasingly so in the UK.
00:08:04.000 The third factor is essentially a loss of faith in the functioning of the normal legitimate system.
00:08:12.000 People lose people when people lose faith in the ability to solve collective action problems through the not through normal political means.
00:08:21.000 They then seek alternate means of achieving change.
00:08:25.000 Those alternate means can vary in type, but it is very likely in my view that that will take the shape of some sort of civil conflict in the UK.
00:08:42.000 On top of those factors, we need to be, there are some more proximate issues.
00:08:48.000 These would include the looming, essentially the longstanding expectation gap amongst, particularly amongst youth who have poorer economic prospects, lower levels of security.
00:09:05.000 In fact, possibly even diminishing expectations of lifespan and health and so on in society, less opportunities to own homes, procreate and so on.
00:09:20.000 There's an expectation gap that derives from structural economic problems in society that have been building for a long time that are likely to come to a crunch point here in the UK, probably in the next six months.
00:09:32.000 Given, I'm not an economist, but I think that's a fairly reasonable view, certainly widely expressed economic viewpoint.
00:09:43.000 And another proximate factor hinted at by Tim Stanley there is the lack of a unified and competent elite in the UK.
00:09:55.000 The government is simply not terribly competent.
00:10:02.000 They don't know what they are doing.
00:10:04.000 They are reacting in a highly capricious manner in as essentially as frightened people do when they when they themselves are fearful of the monster that they've created and they can see arising.
00:10:20.000 And so you have a situation now where the elite is already beginning to is not competent, but is also beginning to fracture.
00:10:33.000 So you're seeing defections from the elite across the across the political spectrum, which results, for instance, in the in the rise of.
00:10:47.000 Anti status quo parties, a multitude of them now.
00:10:51.000 So these combination this these combination of factors, I would just stress, are long term.
00:10:56.000 They haven't come from nowhere.
00:10:57.000 They've been building for a long while, but they're nearly they're really now coming to the boiling point.
00:11:02.000 And we are seeing therefore and we're seeing that they are coming to a boiling point in the headlines in a range of headlines today, some of which Tim had already hinted at.
00:11:13.000 But we can get in into further.
00:11:17.000 I'll give way to Tim in just a moment, but I want to respond to one of the many things that you mentioned.
00:11:26.000 Really, we could spend all day picking the chapter headings that you that you listed because they're certainly serious enough to deserve that.
00:11:34.000 But this idea that a formerly dominant social majority fearing that it's in danger of losing that dominance.
00:11:43.000 There's a term, a concept in geopolitics, which Steve Bannon talks about all the time on the show, the Thucydides trap, which is really applied to regional hegemons.
00:11:55.000 And the theory is this, that when you have a rising power and a declining power, there's the friction of that normally creates war as the declining power tries to maintain its dominance.
00:12:10.000 I don't want to put words into your mouth, which is why I'm going to ask you the question.
00:12:15.000 Would it be an inauthentic interpretation of what you were saying to suggest that there is a similar sort of dynamic or there may be a similar sort of dynamic taking place within a nation itself?
00:12:30.000 This isn't to regional hegemons, but perhaps in the geopolitical sense, but perhaps cultural hegemons as a historic predominant force in the UK wanes and is overtaken within the same territory of the UK by another force that might also lead to tension and war.
00:12:51.000 Would that be an authentic way of synthesizing what you were saying?
00:13:01.000 I have no problems with putting it that way.
00:13:06.000 I mean, I don't tend to employ the Thucydides trap in my own work.
00:13:14.000 It's usually, as you point out, it's usually used in the context of international relations rather than with the politics that are internal to a particular nation.
00:13:28.000 But the phenomenon you describe, I think, is or the idea is perfectly portable into the context of a domestic situation.
00:13:39.000 And in fact is, you know, so that's that's perfectly reasonable.
00:13:44.000 What what you have is a situation where a group fears that it is losing control and that and moreover, they fear that they are doing so imminently, which powers a certain sense of urgency to act while they have the wherewithal to do so.
00:14:04.000 That ultimately is, I think, a reasonable way of paraphrasing the Thucydides trap.
00:14:11.300 And it's also essentially the narrative that surrounds the what popularly is referred to as the great replacement or replacement theory or, to be honest, often is described as conspiracy as a way of kind of assuming that's about trying to explain it away.
00:14:34.300 But within the civil wars literature, it's it's referred to by the term downgrading, which is effectively an academic way of of of explaining the same concept, the same words applied essentially to the same phenomenon.
00:14:54.300 Tim Stanley, I'm coming to you just after we have this quick word from one of our sponsors is the continued divide between Trump and the Federal Reserve putting us behind the curve again.
00:15:08.900 Can the Fed take the right action at the right time or are we going to be looking at potential economic slowdowns?
00:15:15.300 And what does this mean for your savings? Consider diversifying with gold through Birch Gold Group for decades?
00:15:24.300 Gold has been viewed as a safe haven in times of economic stagnation, global uncertainty and high inflation.
00:15:31.300 And high inflation. Get educated. Birch Gold will send you a free info kit on gold. Just text BANNON to the number 989898.
00:15:42.300 Again, text BANNON to 989898. Consider diversifying a portion of your savings into gold.
00:15:50.300 And that way the Fed can't stay ahead of the curve for the country. At least you can stay ahead of the curve for yourself.
00:15:59.300 And if you're a homeowner, you do need to listen to this. In today's AI and cyber world, scammers are stealing home titles with more ease than ever and your equity is the target.
00:16:11.300 Here's how it works. Criminals forge your signature on one document, use a fake notary stamp, pay a small fee to your county and boom, your home title has been transferred out of your name.
00:16:25.360 Go to HomeTitleLock.com. Use promo code Steve and make sure your title is still in your name and you'll still get time for a free title history report and the free 14-day trial of their million dollar triple lock protection.
00:16:45.540 Go to HomeTitleLock.com now. Use promo code Steve. That's HomeTitleLock.com.
00:16:52.520 Tim Stanley, you were one of the, I think, the most influential and important UK journalists a few months ago to pick up on what Professor Betts was saying.
00:17:06.060 What is your response there to what he's just outlined on the war room?
00:17:09.780 Well, to go back to what he was talking about, the fear of replacement, the fear of a loss of power. At the heart of this, what we're trying to get to here is a recent report that suggested that within 40 years, white Britons would be a minority within the UK.
00:17:29.860 Now, it's important to stress that that demographic change and those figures have been challenged by people.
00:17:35.900 There are some who would disagree with that. But when we talk about state failure in the case of Africa, we're very used to and comfortable with talking about tribal competition, competition between ethnic groups and resources. 0.89
00:17:48.120 We take it for granted that that goes on in Africa, that it's par for the course. 1.00
00:17:52.300 When we talk about it in terms of Britain, we suddenly pretend it doesn't happen. 0.56
00:17:56.420 But we're starting to see signs of it taking place, be it people voting along ethnic lines.
00:18:04.800 So we now have a grouping within parliament of MPs who are elected on the basis of the Gaza issue.
00:18:10.700 And there's no escaping that much of their constituent support is Muslim.
00:18:16.300 So you see that. You see rioting in response to crime.
00:18:23.160 You see recent protests against migrant hotels.
00:18:27.860 And really, illegal migration is, if you like, the sharp end of the ethnic multicultural debate, because that's the bit on which we can all agree it shouldn't be happening. 0.88
00:18:37.640 The conversation about legal mass migration is more complicated, because we definitely need migrants to provide services, etc.
00:18:45.860 And again, we don't want to sound racist. We don't want to be racist. It's unchristian to be racist.
00:18:51.080 But when it comes to illegal migration, we can legitimately say that shouldn't be happening anyway.
00:18:55.460 So a debate opens up there.
00:18:57.040 And in that case, we have the phenomenon of the state housing large numbers of very often young men in towns that haven't seen populations like that before,
00:19:10.440 where some of those young men are accused of crimes against women.
00:19:15.480 This is a recipe for ethnic tension. 1.00
00:19:19.660 It's just obvious.
00:19:20.900 I wish it were not so.
00:19:22.480 As I said, I'm a Christian.
00:19:24.240 I grew up in a country where we liked to say, I don't see race.
00:19:27.820 But mass migration has now reached a point whereby you can't ignore it anymore, because it is changing the nature of the society and the politics.
00:19:36.080 And as Professor Betts said, one problem is we do not have an elite that is imaginative enough to manage this change and to reassure people,
00:19:45.620 or to take the steps perhaps to correct it.
00:19:48.640 And I suspect that that elite will at some point in the near future be swept away by a new elite who are willing to take much tougher steps to correct it.
00:19:57.820 That's one thing that really worries me.
00:19:59.820 When I wrote my piece saying I suspect there will be a civil war, left-wing people who read it accused me of wanting to start one.
00:20:06.880 Right-wing people who read it accused me of wanting to surrender.
00:20:09.220 Because I must emphasise I am perhaps more concerned by the inevitable eventual far-right backlash than I am by this process of social change and the disturbances it's bringing.
00:20:23.240 Tim, it's absolutely clear reading your article that you're not advocating for fascism.
00:20:28.820 But at the end of your article, you make it clear that that is the – no, you're absolutely clear that you're not doing that.
00:20:33.700 But the pained tone of what you're writing is that unless these problems are dealt with – and you mentioned the Muslim phenomenon and the lack of controlling of immigration as two principal causes of the social tensions right now.
00:20:52.240 Unless something is done to tackle that, that is where we are going to end up in the moment.
00:20:58.720 And thanks for Denver for pushing that article back up on the screen.
00:21:02.100 I do want – I'll put the link out.
00:21:03.440 I do want everybody to go and read that article.
00:21:06.260 And also to listen to the original podcast with Louise Perry and Professor David Betts when for an hour and a half he really dives into these themes.
00:21:18.520 And I have the link for that as well.
00:21:21.200 Going back to Professor Betts, there was something else that you said.
00:21:26.100 Sadly, given the time constraints, we can't go into everything I had wanted to do.
00:21:30.780 But there was something else that you mentioned.
00:21:34.180 And I just want to have a quick – in the closing five minutes of this segment, I want to ask you.
00:21:39.460 You mentioned that when the government is talking about social conflict and the possibility of great tension socially, it's casting, if you will, the threat, the fear externally towards Russia.
00:22:00.780 But obviously, as your arguments make clear, as Tim Stanley's analysis of what you're saying makes clear, really the tensions are homegrown and domestic to the UK.
00:22:11.720 Would you mind just, in your own words, say a little bit about your reaction of the – I don't want to use the word because you haven't used the word of Russophobia – but the idea of casting this external threat into a place where it really isn't appropriate to do so.
00:22:32.760 Give me a few words if you wouldn't mind on that, please.
00:22:35.640 Well, I think what you're alluding to is the possibility that what the UK government and other European governments are now doing
00:22:47.200 is resorting to time-honoured political gambit, which is presenting the public with an external – when governments perceive there to be a significant domestic threat to their – the security
00:23:10.960 of the regime of the regime to kind of – when there is a significant domestic turmoil, it can be very helpful to call on the nation to unify.
00:23:26.380 And in that case, having an external threat, an outgroup on which to concentrate people's attention can have a unifying effect.
00:23:37.980 This is a very time-honoured political technique.
00:23:42.740 It's normally referred to as the short victorious war theory, which dates back to the early 19th century when a czarist advisor suggested to the czar that a short victorious war with Japan
00:24:00.680 would be very useful in terms of quelling, building domestic turmoil within the Russian polity.
00:24:10.520 So one of the explanations, in other words, for the Russo-Japanese War is essentially a reaction on the part of the Russian authorities to their perception of the looming danger of civil conflict,
00:24:29.560 which was a valid and appropriate concern on their part.
00:24:34.500 That's where the term comes from, but it's a time-honoured technique.
00:24:37.760 Now, I'm not in government.
00:24:39.100 I don't sit in cabinet, so I can't say that they're doing that.
00:24:41.600 But it's very logical, very logical, plausibly, that a government that is under significant domestic pressure uses external threat to deflect.
00:24:58.120 That is undoubtedly what happened in the early days of the Russo-Ukraine War with Boris Johnson's intervention in that conflict,
00:25:06.440 which occurred at a time of his maximum domestic political trouble.
00:25:13.980 So that's, I'll admit, that's a matter of speculation on my part.
00:25:20.220 As I said, I'm not sitting in cabinet, but I'd be very surprised if astute political operators in the UK were not aware of this time-honoured political technique
00:25:30.680 and using it very adroitly, it must be said.
00:25:33.500 Well, let me ask you this.
00:25:35.740 I mean, arguably, you could suggest that nations around the world use this, the short victorious war device to lock us all down during COVID.
00:25:49.660 Given that, no doubt, there will be a similar infringement on our personal liberties.
00:25:55.320 I would hope that the government would correctly identify external threats to social well-being in the UK.
00:26:04.480 And it would seem to me to be somewhat perverse.
00:26:09.260 It's not just the present government, right?
00:26:11.560 It's a succession of British governments that they've allowed this threat to social stability to arise.
00:26:22.100 And now they're suggesting elsewhere to look elsewhere for the blame.
00:26:26.600 30 seconds.
00:26:27.920 Professor Betts, where can people go on social media to keep up with your research?
00:26:32.440 And I hope we'll get you back on the show soon.
00:26:36.500 Well, I'd be happy to come back.
00:26:38.640 As for social media, people can search me up.
00:26:41.020 I'm easy to find on David Betts.
00:26:42.680 I don't need internet fame.
00:26:44.800 So, you know, find me, search on Twitter for a guy with a pipe by the name David Betts.
00:26:53.060 Tim Stanley, where do people go on Twitter to get you?
00:26:56.480 You can find me at Timothy underscore Stanley.
00:26:58.880 And it's mostly with me with my girl.
00:27:02.100 According to the Department of Energy, blackouts could increase by 10,000% over the next few years.
00:27:07.220 It's because of massive energy demand from artificial intelligence data centers.
00:27:12.060 We talk about that all the time here in the War Room.
00:27:14.960 And we have a fragile power grid.
00:27:16.980 It just cannot keep up with that demand.
00:27:18.880 I don't know about you, but I don't like the idea of being without power, even for a day.
00:27:23.560 That's why I got the Grid Doctor 3300 from MyPatriotSupply.
00:27:28.380 It's a powerful solar generator that runs refrigerators, AC units, medical devices, power tools, anything you need to write out a blackout.
00:27:36.940 And right now, for their Christmas in July event, they're including over $1,000 in free survival gear with your generator.
00:27:46.140 Including emergency food supply, water filtration, survival tools, and more.
00:27:50.960 You heard that right.
00:27:52.120 Over $1,000 in free gear for a limited time.
00:27:55.980 Head to MyPatriotSupply.com slash Bannon.
00:27:58.720 That's MyPatriotSupply.com slash Bannon.
00:28:01.880 And grab the Christmas in July bundle before it's gone.
00:28:05.600 Blackouts are coming.
00:28:07.380 Go to MyPatriotSupply.com slash Bannon and get prepared today.
00:28:12.180 Hey, I realize you've got many choices when it comes to who you choose for your cell phone service.
00:28:16.940 And there are new ones popping up all the time.
00:28:19.140 But here's the truth.
00:28:20.260 There's only one that boldly stands in the gap for every American that believes that freedom is worth fighting for.
00:28:25.940 And that's the team at Patriot Mobile.
00:28:28.920 For more than 12 years, Patriot Mobile has been on the front lines of fighting for our God-given rights and freedoms.
00:28:34.080 While also providing exceptional nationwide cell phone service.
00:28:37.900 With access to all three of the main networks.
00:28:41.280 Don't just take my word for it.
00:28:42.720 Ask the hundreds of thousands of Americans who've made the switch and are now supporting causes they believe in.
00:28:48.820 Simply by joining Patriot Mobile.
00:28:50.960 Switching is easier than ever.
00:28:52.960 Activate in minutes from the comfort of your own home.
00:28:55.180 Keep your number, keep your phone, or upgrade.
00:28:58.340 Patriot Mobile's all-U.S.-based support team is standing by to take care of you.
00:29:02.240 Call 978-PATRIOT today.
00:29:05.080 Or go to PatriotMobile.com slash Bannon.
00:29:07.660 That's PatriotMobile.com slash Bannon.
00:29:10.600 Use the promo code Bannon for a free month of service.
00:29:14.260 That's PatriotMobile.com slash Bannon.
00:29:16.740 Or call 972-PATRIOT and make the switch today.
00:29:21.460 You missed the IRS tax deadline.
00:29:24.120 You think it's just going to go away?
00:29:26.000 Well, think again.
00:29:27.840 The IRS doesn't mess around and they're applying pressure like we haven't seen in years.
00:29:32.900 So if you haven't filed in a while, even if you can't pay, don't wait.
00:29:37.620 And don't face the IRS alone.
00:29:41.040 You need the trusted experts by your side.
00:29:43.400 Tax Network USA.
00:29:45.180 Tax Network USA isn't like other tax relief companies.
00:29:48.580 They have an edge, a preferred direct line to the IRS.
00:29:52.460 They know which agents to talk to and which ones to avoid.
00:29:55.820 They use smart, aggressive strategies to settle your tax problems quickly and in your favor.
00:30:02.200 Whether you owe $10,000 or $10 million,
00:30:06.380 Tax Network USA has helped resolve over $1 billion in tax debt.
00:30:11.580 And they can help you, too.
00:30:12.520 Don't wait on this.
00:30:13.780 It's only going to get worse.
00:30:14.820 Just call Tax Network USA right now.
00:30:17.340 It's free.
00:30:18.300 Talk with one of their strategists and put your IRS troubles behind you.
00:30:22.020 Put it behind you today.
00:30:23.800 Call Tax Network USA at 1-800-958-1000.
00:30:29.060 That's 800-958-1000.
00:30:32.020 Or visit Tax Network USA, TNUSA.com slash Bannon.
00:30:36.780 Do it today.
00:30:37.560 Do not let this thing get ahead of you.
00:30:40.800 Do it today.
00:30:43.080 Hello, America's Voice family.
00:30:44.680 Are you on Getter yet?
00:30:46.020 No.
00:30:46.540 What are you waiting for?
00:30:47.760 It's free.
00:30:48.480 It's uncensored.
00:30:49.520 And it's where all the biggest voices in conservative media are speaking out.
00:30:54.080 Download the Getter app right now.
00:30:55.900 It's totally free.
00:30:56.600 It's where I put up exclusively all of my content 24 hours a day.
00:31:00.380 You want to know what Steve Bannon's thinking?
00:31:02.140 Go to Getter.
00:31:02.740 That's right.
00:31:03.340 You can follow all of your favorites, Steve Bannon, Charlie Kirk, Jack Posobiec, and so
00:31:08.140 many more.
00:31:09.200 Download the Getter app now.
00:31:10.560 Sign up for free and be part of the movement.
00:31:15.280 Welcome back.
00:31:16.400 Well, a longstanding friend of mine, Italian politician, Roberto Fiore, someone I've known
00:31:21.180 since he was a member of the European Parliament some 15 years ago, very kindly brought me together
00:31:26.660 with our next two guests.
00:31:28.360 And they have a story for you folks that's absolutely, you know, you think you know how
00:31:35.140 bad the European Union is?
00:31:37.220 This story will shock you.
00:31:41.160 So, on June the 10th of this year, a member of the, sitting member of the Greek Parliament,
00:31:48.300 Alexandros Xervias, was removed by court, by a judge.
00:31:52.600 And he's on the show today to explain to us exactly what happened.
00:31:58.960 And with him, he has his personal lawyer, Ioannis Zografos.
00:32:04.120 Thank you both for coming on.
00:32:05.800 Let's go to Alexandros first.
00:32:08.100 So, there you are, sitting member of Parliament in Greece, in Athens, where you are right now
00:32:15.800 in Athens.
00:32:17.600 And a body called the Special Highest Court removed you.
00:32:24.400 Removed you from Parliament permanently.
00:32:31.100 Would you like to explain to us a little bit about what happened to you?
00:32:35.020 And my first question to you will be this.
00:32:38.820 When the courts removed you, was there a jury trial involved in that?
00:32:43.200 Or was it simply judges sitting by themselves?
00:32:46.500 But first of all, the word to you.
00:32:48.280 Tell us what happened.
00:32:51.280 First of all, I would like to thank you for the invitation in your show.
00:32:56.740 Well, what happened?
00:33:01.080 What happened was that democracy was assassinated two months ago in the place where it was born.
00:33:10.300 And the idea is that the citizen has not, the idea behind democracy is not only that the citizen
00:33:22.580 has the privilege to participate, but also has the duty to participate in public affairs.
00:33:31.120 So, what happened?
00:33:31.980 As you said, on June 10th, the Supreme Special Court decided that three members of the Parliament
00:33:44.540 belonging to the Spartans party would have to be stripped of their seats.
00:33:52.080 And in this way, every notion of justice and respect to the constitutional order was violated.
00:34:05.880 The judges were decided by themselves with no really concrete evidence.
00:34:18.080 It was a decision that was forced by the Greek government.
00:34:31.480 Okay.
00:34:32.540 So, to synthesize, three sitting members of Parliament, Spartans, the Spartans party,
00:34:42.220 were removed by a judicial process from this court.
00:34:51.800 Just to give our viewers a bit of an idea of what the Spartans party is, let me ask you
00:34:59.440 some questions.
00:35:00.820 Just, where, you're, you're, you're, you're a skeptic, right?
00:35:06.500 You're your skeptic party.
00:35:09.080 You are, um...
00:35:12.220 We were against the involvement of the Greek government in the Russian-Ukraine war.
00:35:23.300 And, uh...
00:35:23.700 So, you're, so, you're against, you're, so, you're a skeptic.
00:35:27.460 You're against the, uh, the involvement of the Greek government in the Ukraine war.
00:35:34.180 And let me ask you this.
00:35:35.820 With regards to Israel, whereabouts are you?
00:35:38.080 Well, I believe, we believe that, uh, Israel has every right to protect, uh, its citizens.
00:35:47.720 Okay.
00:35:48.480 And, uh, protect, uh, the state of Israel from, uh, the terrorists of, uh, Hamas. 0.53
00:35:57.560 I ask you this question, Alejandros, just so that, in just three simple questions, uh, a largely
00:36:06.800 American audience can have an idea where you are.
00:36:09.720 Because the press, obviously, the mainstream press, obviously calls you far-right.
00:36:16.060 Um, but the, but that, but your position there seems to me broadly reflective of the American
00:36:23.740 administration, um, and many other political parties in Europe.
00:36:27.500 Just before I go over to Ioannis, could you tell me which political party, for those who
00:36:32.260 don't follow Greece, Greek politics quite so closely, which political party in, um, in
00:36:39.040 Europe would you most say that the Spartans are similar to?
00:36:46.400 Well, I would say the political party of Mr. Orbán.
00:36:52.740 Of Victor Orbán?
00:36:55.100 Yes, yes.
00:36:55.960 Okay.
00:36:57.600 So that just gives an idea.
00:36:59.000 So, so far, for our, as I say, largely American audience, we have the situation here where three
00:37:04.740 sitting, validly elected members of parliament were removed unilaterally by a court.
00:37:11.480 Um, I will come back to you, Alexandros, but a question, Ioannis, perhaps you might answer
00:37:16.480 this question first.
00:37:17.300 And I do have legal questions for you here, but a political question.
00:37:21.300 Were there perhaps political considerations behind the removal of Alexandros and his two
00:37:30.780 colleagues, or was this a purely legal affair?
00:37:34.140 No, it is a purely political matter.
00:37:38.660 They were accused by the government and the fully corrupt Greek justice for voter fraud.
00:37:47.100 It is the first time this happens in Greece because they supposedly had a leader other than the chairman
00:37:55.620 of their parliamentary group, which was a fake, of course.
00:38:00.640 This never happened.
00:38:02.880 You have to know that in Greece, because nobody should know, it's not easy to know for everybody,
00:38:11.960 that the heads of the judiciary are appointed by the government, unlike what happens to other
00:38:20.360 countries.
00:38:20.920 In our case, in our case, in case of the Spartans, and of course, the three MPs that were hosted
00:38:29.680 by the parliament, you have to know something which is totally unacceptable.
00:38:36.500 The prosecutor of the Supreme Court herself made the procedure against the Spartans, herself conducted
00:38:49.120 the investigation, and herself introduced the case to the courts to be judged.
00:38:56.460 That's the whole situation that shows that behind the legal movements that have taken place is the
00:39:08.140 Greek government.
00:39:09.040 That should be very clear to everybody.
00:39:12.460 Okay.
00:39:13.560 Okay.
00:39:14.400 So let me synthesize this.
00:39:16.180 A politically motivated judicial action removed three democratically elected members of parliament
00:39:26.340 from, I think Greece is a founding member of the, or one of the early members, perhaps
00:39:32.480 the 80s of the European Union, removed three members of parliament, validly elected from parliament.
00:39:41.220 And this is politically beneficial to the sitting government right now.
00:39:48.640 Absolutely.
00:39:49.400 That's absolutely astonishing.
00:39:51.340 That's absolutely astonishing.
00:39:53.220 Let me ask Alejandros this question.
00:39:57.940 You will see Ursula von der Leyen, the president of the European Commission, flying to Ukraine,
00:40:04.460 flying to Washington DC, flying to London, participating in all these international events.
00:40:11.220 international summits in defense of democracy.
00:40:16.180 What support has the European Union?
00:40:18.860 Oh, and we also see, you mentioned you're most similar to Viktor Orban.
00:40:22.560 We also see the EU clamping down on Hungary because of what it claims, blocking grants, blocking
00:40:29.420 disbursement of EU funds, because of what it claims as an overly politicized judicial process.
00:40:35.260 I am sure these great exemplars of democracy and the rule of law in Brussels will be rushing
00:40:44.080 to your defense, right?
00:40:45.980 What support have you had from the European Union due to your undemocratic suppression?
00:40:52.860 Well, until now we had the NAN and I'm very sure that we will also have NAN in the near future
00:41:05.780 because the European Union is the modern Soviet, is a region, a political region where they oppress,
00:41:27.220 their political rivals, and their political rivals are those that believe in ideas like nation,
00:41:41.640 like common beliefs, like religion.
00:41:48.060 So, there is a conspiracy between the liberals and the leftists of the European Union to neutralize
00:42:03.420 every nationalistic voice.
00:42:06.520 I'm going to ask you in a moment, Alejandros, what the consequences of this suppression have
00:42:17.380 meant for your political movement in Greece.
00:42:21.240 And I'm also going to ask you what intervention you'd be looking for from the US administration.
00:42:27.860 But first, let's have a quick word from our sponsors.
00:42:30.940 I realise there are many choices when it comes to who you choose for your cell phone service
00:42:38.140 and there are new ones popping up all the time.
00:42:40.820 But here's the truth, there's only one that boldly stands in the gap for every American 0.79
00:42:45.800 that believes that freedom is worth fighting for, and that's Patriot Mobile.
00:42:50.700 For more than 12 years, Patriot Mobile has been on the front lines fighting for our God-given rights
00:42:56.740 and freedoms, whilst also providing exceptional nationwide cell phone service with access
00:43:02.740 to all three of the main networks.
00:43:07.200 Patriot Mobile's all-US-based support team is standing by to take care of you.
00:43:13.480 Call 972-PATRIOT today or go to patriotmobile.com-BANNON.
00:43:21.400 Use promo code BANNON for a free month's service.
00:43:26.000 That's patriotmobile.com-BANNON or call 972-PATRIOT and make that switch today.
00:43:35.880 You never thought it would get this far.
00:43:39.140 Maybe you missed the last IRS deadline and you haven't filed taxes for a while.
00:43:45.020 Let me be clear, the IRS is cracking down harder than ever and this won't go away on its own.
00:43:51.640 That's why you need Tax Network USA.
00:43:54.480 They don't just know the IRS, they have a preferred direct line to the IRS.
00:44:01.440 They know which agents to deal with and which to avoid.
00:44:04.660 Their expert negotiators have one goal, settle your tax problems quickly and in your favour.
00:44:12.560 Don't wait. This won't fix itself.
00:44:15.500 Call Tax Network USA right now. It's free.
00:44:18.840 Talk to a strategist and finally put this behind you.
00:44:22.920 Call 1-800-958-1000.
00:44:27.060 That's 1-800-958-1000.
00:44:30.400 Or visit tnusa.com slash BANNON.
00:44:35.320 Alec Andros, tell me something, the suppression of three, I think you have 12 Spartan MEPs or you had 12.
00:44:45.420 The suppression of three members of parliament, what has that done for your movement, for the Spartan movement?
00:44:53.340 Has it hit your popularity at all? Are you more popular now or less popular now?
00:44:59.820 And what will the consequences of this be at the next election?
00:45:03.180 Well, I will not stand in our personal damages because the problem is far more bigger.
00:45:20.200 What I want to say, what I want to say with this, now we're speaking now and the Greek constitution has been violated.
00:45:35.640 The parliament, as is written in the Greek constitution in Article 53, Paragraph 2, cannot work except the last year of the term
00:46:01.040 with fewer than 300 members of parliament.
00:46:07.080 So, this time, in this time that we are speaking, the Greek parliament is working in an unconstitutional and illegal way.
00:46:25.420 And this is the important about our situation.
00:46:32.600 Yes, we lost our seats. It's important for us.
00:46:36.640 But the most important is that the Greek constitution has been violated.
00:46:45.800 And the only solution is to go to elections.
00:46:51.200 So, the Mitsotakis regime must go to elections.
00:46:58.080 And that is what we are asking from the American political system,
00:47:05.960 is to press the Mitsotakis regime and to send a clear message
00:47:13.800 that we will not tolerate this situation, this unconstitutional situation.
00:47:25.600 Okay. Firstly, Ioannis, I know you want to come in on this point yet.
00:47:29.520 Have you sat down yet with Ambassador Guilfoyle?
00:47:32.280 No, the ambassador has not come yet in Greece.
00:47:38.920 And that's peculiar.
00:47:40.840 It's the only country without a delegation, an American delegation.
00:47:47.900 So, you can think whatever you like on that, but this is the truth.
00:47:52.060 I would like to stress out what just Alexandro said,
00:47:57.020 that according to the Greek constitution,
00:47:58.940 if an MP loses his seat for whatever reason,
00:48:03.780 elections should be held in this district.
00:48:08.000 If the election was held in these two districts of the three MPs,
00:48:17.500 Mitsotakis would lose the elections.
00:48:19.640 So, according to the Greek constitution, as Alexandro said,
00:48:26.340 the parliament, the current parliament is illegal.
00:48:30.440 And it has been, as I say, as I refer to it,
00:48:33.740 a smooth coup d'etat in Greece.
00:48:38.940 Everyone should know that.
00:48:41.460 You should know also that all constitutional scholars in Greece,
00:48:46.260 even the former senators of Nea Demokratia,
00:48:52.020 which is the ruling party,
00:48:54.000 said that the constitution was abolished in this situation.
00:48:58.960 So, what Alexandros and, of course, me as a lawyer is asking,
00:49:06.640 let's say that we are crying out to the audience,
00:49:10.200 to the international audience,
00:49:12.920 is that there is no democracy anymore in Greece.
00:49:16.460 There is no parliament.
00:49:20.660 There is nothing that can work without abiding to the constitution.
00:49:27.720 And you should know also,
00:49:33.320 yeah,
00:49:34.500 that there is also...
00:49:36.720 We only have...
00:49:37.420 We only...
00:49:38.320 Ioannis, we only have one minute left.
00:49:41.440 Okay.
00:49:42.560 Okay.
00:49:43.220 So, I will not go on with the legal jargon,
00:49:46.700 but I just want to stress out that Alexandros has also a physical danger.
00:49:56.100 And I have to say that because I am his lawyer.
00:50:00.600 He is in danger.
00:50:02.700 You can understand that.
00:50:03.800 You can understand why.
00:50:04.760 A personal danger.
00:50:06.300 Okay.
00:50:06.800 A personal danger.
00:50:07.540 Alexandros.
00:50:09.180 Alexandros, let me ask you this question.
00:50:11.760 We have about 90 seconds left.
00:50:13.620 You've had no support from the European Union elites.
00:50:18.780 What has the reaction been like in the international media?
00:50:25.160 Everybody should be appalled.
00:50:26.920 Everybody should be appalled that the courts have removed
00:50:29.420 three sitting members of parliament
00:50:31.020 at the behest of the government.
00:50:33.800 And this is a key principal member of the European Union.
00:50:38.580 Tell me about the...
00:50:39.520 30 seconds.
00:50:40.580 What has the international media done?
00:50:42.600 Has it spoken up in outrage for you?
00:50:45.320 No.
00:50:46.080 It has done nothing.
00:50:47.900 And this is what...
00:50:48.600 You are the first.
00:50:49.340 You are the first.
00:50:50.220 What I ask is to break this conspiracy of silence.
00:50:57.660 And to make...
00:51:01.120 To internationalise this political persecution.
00:51:04.700 Okay.
00:51:06.200 Okay.
00:51:06.580 Okay.
00:51:06.760 Ioannis, would you be kind enough quickly
00:51:08.200 to tell our folks where they can go
00:51:11.060 to learn more about this case,
00:51:14.300 keep in touch with you?
00:51:17.120 Yes.
00:51:18.320 There is a YouTube channel,
00:51:21.620 Global News 21,
00:51:23.580 where they can find lots of information.
00:51:27.080 Perfect.
00:51:27.400 And I think it would be wise to go in.
00:51:33.260 We'll get those links out on our social media.
00:51:37.360 I want to thank Vittorio Franke
00:51:40.100 for his help putting this show together today.
00:51:42.820 What if he had the brightest mind in the War Room
00:51:45.320 delivering critical financial research every month?
00:51:49.120 Steve Bannon here.
00:51:50.260 War Room listeners know Jim Rickards.
00:51:51.940 I love this guy.
00:51:53.400 He's our wise man.
00:51:54.380 A former CIA, Pentagon, and White House advisor
00:51:56.920 with an unmatched grasp of geopolitics and capital markets.
00:52:01.000 Jim predicted Trump's Electoral College victory
00:52:03.140 exactly 312 to 226,
00:52:06.820 down to the actual number itself.
00:52:09.680 Now he's issuing a dire warning about April 11th,
00:52:13.660 a moment that could define Trump's presidency
00:52:15.840 in your financial future.
00:52:18.060 His latest book, Money GPT,
00:52:20.400 exposes how AI is setting the stage for financial chaos,
00:52:24.000 bank runs at lightning speeds,
00:52:25.780 algorithm-driven crashes,
00:52:27.620 and even threats to national security.
00:52:29.640 Right now, War Room members get a free copy
00:52:31.900 of Money GPT when they sign up for Strategic Intelligence.
00:52:36.240 This is Jim's flagship financial newsletter,
00:52:39.100 Strategic Intelligence.
00:52:41.120 I read it.
00:52:42.140 You should read it.
00:52:43.220 Time is running out.
00:52:44.060 Go to RickardsWarRoom.com.
00:52:45.920 That's all one word, Rickards War Room.
00:52:47.820 Rickards with an S.
00:52:49.280 Go now and claim your free book.
00:52:51.700 That's RickardsWarRoom.com.
00:52:54.260 Do it today.
00:52:54.840 Thank you.
00:52:55.520 Thank you.
00:52:56.080 Thank you.
00:52:56.160 Thank you.
00:52:57.120 Thank you.
00:52:58.120 Thank you.