Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 840： Brutal Suppression Of Latin Mass In North Carolina By Passive-Aggressive FrancisBishop

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00:00:44.000 War Room.

00:00:45.000 Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.

00:00:48.000 29th of August, Anno Domini, 2025.

00:00:59.000 Hanwell here at the helm on Steve Bannon's War Room

00:01:01.000 for this Friday night special.

00:01:04.000 Good evening.

00:01:05.000 Joined with our regular guests that we always have on Friday.

00:01:08.000 So that might cause some light consternation for our regular viewers.

00:01:13.000 We have Jenny Holland, Liz Yor and Frank Walker.

00:01:17.000 Good evening, folks.

00:01:18.000 A lot to get through today.

00:01:21.000 I just preview the second half of the show.

00:01:24.000 And we'll be talking to Joachim Powell,

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00:01:40.000 We'll be doing that in about half an hour's time.

00:01:42.000 Very, very honored and delighted, however,

00:01:45.000 to be welcoming on to this show.

00:01:48.000 We'll play the clip just in a few moments.

00:01:52.000 Natalie Sonnen and Brian Williams,

00:01:54.000 who've made this astonishing film called Bread Not Stones.

00:01:58.000 Now, Liz, I have to tip my hat to you on this one.

00:02:02.000 And you're the agent that has made this show happen today.

00:02:07.000 I'll be coming to all of you folks, our regular panel,

00:02:10.000 to break this down, the film,

00:02:12.000 what it might mean for the Catholic world

00:02:15.000 and perhaps even beyond the Catholic world,

00:02:17.000 the evangelical world of goodwill.

00:02:19.000 First, let's have a 30-second extract of the film

00:02:24.000 and then I'll present our special honored guests for this evening.

00:02:27.000 There's something very masculine about the Latin mass 1.00

00:02:31.000 and young men are attracted to it.

00:02:36.000 And I think because it provides, in some ways,

00:02:39.000 a more contemplative experience.

00:02:41.000 It provides a space for some discernment.

00:02:45.000 And, you know, young men get captivated,

00:02:50.000 especially when they're serving it.

00:02:52.000 You know, we have this whole troupe of altar boys here.

00:02:54.000 So many of the young men from our parish who are in the seminary,

00:02:59.000 and right now we have nine men from this parish studying for the priesthood,

00:03:03.000 they found their vocation at mass,

00:03:06.000 and a lot of them at the Latin mass.

00:03:08.000 In fact, we have two men from our parish

00:03:10.000 who are studying for the Fraternal Society of St. Peter.

00:03:13.000 They found their vocation in the Latin mass.

00:03:16.000 That was a short extract of this film, Bread Not Stones.

00:03:22.000 Let me bring on to the show now our special guests for this evening.

00:03:26.000 Natalie Sonnen, the executive director of the film Bread Not Stones,

00:03:30.000 and Brian Williams, founder of the Charlotte Latin Mass community,

00:03:35.000 and also a consultant for the film.

00:03:37.000 Welcome on to the show, folks.

00:03:39.000 Let me start off by saying, when I watched the film earlier,

00:03:44.000 and I cannot compliment it enough in terms of the content

00:03:48.000 and its professionality.

00:03:50.000 Not only was it very beautifully made, very powerfully made.

00:03:55.000 I was stuck with a problem.

00:03:59.000 I had to get two extracts of that film in order to play for our audience.

00:04:05.000 It was almost an impossible task

00:04:08.000 because every single scene in that film was extract worthy.

00:04:14.000 I think that just shows how good a film it was.

00:04:18.000 Natalie, let me start with you,

00:04:19.000 because you're the executive producer of this film.

00:04:22.000 Why don't you say a little bit about what's been going on

00:04:26.000 in the Diocese of Charlotte that pushed you,

00:04:31.000 motivated you into putting this film together?

00:04:34.000 Yes.

00:04:35.000 Well, first of all, for having us on the show,

00:04:38.000 and I commend you on the clip that you chose.

00:04:42.000 Actually, that's one of my favorite moments in the film

00:04:47.000 because it does talk about the very real effect

00:04:51.000 that the film is having, most particularly on young men.

00:04:55.000 You know, we have a crisis in our culture with men, 1.00

00:04:58.000 and this really speaks to them.

00:05:03.000 But what's been happening in our diocese

00:05:08.000 is that we have a bishop who's new.

00:05:12.000 He's come on the scene, and he's implementing

00:05:19.000 Traditione Custodes, which is a moda proprio put out.

00:05:25.000 It's a Francis-era policy, and he is implementing that

00:05:31.000 not with a teaspoon but with a sledgehammer, unfortunately.

00:05:36.000 And it really does seem to be ideologically driven

00:05:42.000 because we really have appealed to him.

00:05:46.000 There's been many attempts, and I know Brian will speak to this,

00:05:51.000 through the priests and through the Latin Mass Society,

00:05:55.000 to reach him and to talk to him and say,

00:05:58.000 please, don't do this.

00:06:00.000 You know, these are cohesive communities.

00:06:02.000 They've been together for over a decade.

00:06:05.000 We work together with the Novus Ordo

00:06:07.000 and with the traditional Latin Mass.

00:06:09.000 We have burgeoning choirs and altar servers,

00:06:13.000 and we have homeschool co-ops.

00:06:15.000 And we're made up of both the Novus Ordo

00:06:17.000 and the traditional Latin Mass families.

00:06:20.000 We are dedicated Catholics.

00:06:23.000 We want to be a part of the Church.

00:06:25.000 We don't want to be exiled.

00:06:27.000 Please work with us.

00:06:29.000 And we've really been stonewalled as far as we can see.

00:06:33.000 So I saw this kind of coming down the pike, 1.00

00:06:37.000 and I was quite concerned, and I felt that we really needed

00:06:42.000 to do something for the sake of the faithful,

00:06:45.000 not only in the diocese of Charlotte,

00:06:48.000 but also throughout the world.

00:06:50.000 This is happening to diocese and to solid,

00:06:54.000 good Catholic people throughout the world.

00:06:57.000 And so this film is dedicated to them.

00:07:00.000 And ultimately, we hope that the hierarchy

00:07:03.000 will listen to us and see these people.

00:07:08.000 These are real people with real names and faces

00:07:11.000 who are being, you know,

00:07:14.000 we're not only having to contend with the flesh,

00:07:16.000 the devil, and the world,

00:07:18.000 we're having to contend with our own hierarchy.

00:07:21.000 And that's a lot to bear for these families.

00:07:27.000 Brian, let me ask you now.

00:07:29.000 So you've put together this Charlotte Latin Mass community,

00:07:32.000 and I know you're quite present on social media.

00:07:35.000 Tell me, how is the Bishop Martin's maneuver here?

00:07:38.000 How's that being taken on the ground

00:07:40.000 and within your own Latin Mass community

00:07:42.000 amongst the faithful?

00:07:44.000 Yeah, it's been very difficult.

00:07:46.000 We kind of started this group probably 12 to 14 years ago.

00:07:52.000 A gentleman named Chris Lauer was really the founding force behind it.

00:07:56.000 I was one of the original founding members with him.

00:07:58.000 We have over 1,200 families,

00:08:01.000 some of them as big as 7, 8, 9 children,

00:08:03.000 who are part of this community.

00:08:05.000 And what we're finding out is that they are going to be significantly impacted and displaced by this policy of the bishop,

00:08:15.000 by this idea of separating us from the parishes that we belong to and sending us off kind of to the middle of nowhere.

00:08:25.000 And in many cases, far too far away from where people live or currently go to Mass to be able to continue on.

00:08:33.000 And so there's a lot of...

00:08:35.000 It veers between, I think, the righteous anger, frustration.

00:08:39.000 There's a great deal of tears.

00:08:41.000 You see that in the movie quite profoundly.

00:08:43.000 This is a film directed by a gentleman named Sean O'Halloran, who is a member of the community and who knows us.

00:08:51.000 And you see these mothers who love their children, their sons very much, who serve this Mass,

00:08:56.000 and how it's going to impact these social groups.

00:09:00.000 And everything that parish is supposed to be, it is supposed to be your family.

00:09:04.000 And there is this forced separation, as one person says in the film, a forced divorce that's being inflicted upon everyone here.

00:09:13.000 And it's very painful to the community.

00:09:16.000 And we hope and pray, and we have been doing both, hoping and praying, that something will happen.

00:09:21.000 Although I think it's going to have to come down very much on high for something to happen here.

00:09:29.000 Well, the film, you can tell, it has been very prayerfully made.

00:09:34.000 That comes through, I think, in every frame of the film.

00:09:38.000 Let me bring in Liz Yor just one moment. 1.00

00:09:40.000 Liz, correct me if I'm wrong here.

00:09:43.000 I thought, and I'm not the first person to elbow myself to the front of the line here and start quoting Second Vatican Council.

00:09:52.000 But I sort of remember that the Second Vatican Council did entrust the laity to some degree with a role here, a shared role in the governance of the church.

00:10:05.000 And I sort of remember Pope Francis of unhappy memory going on and on and on and on and on and on about anti-clericalism.

00:10:12.000 And yet it seems to me that the bishop here in Charlotte has just dismissed totally the concerns of the faithful.

00:10:20.000 And the film shows very beautifully the fruits that the old liturgy is having in the lives of ordinary day to day Catholics.

00:10:28.000 I'll give you the floor right now to speak to Natalie and Brian and ask them a question.

00:10:35.000 But before you do that, just can you give me a response to that?

00:10:39.000 Where is, I mean, these guys are the great proponents of the Second Vatican Council.

00:10:44.000 Where is the role of the laity and the consultation with the laity in this decision?

00:10:49.000 There is no consultation with the laity.

00:10:52.000 This is supposedly the synodal church, the synodal church, which is the church of listening and dialoguing with the laity,

00:10:59.000 giving more power in the hands of the lady, except when it comes to the magnificent, beautiful Latin mass that is thriving, as we all know, around the world.

00:11:10.000 And yet the bishops want to suppress this mass.

00:11:14.000 And what this documentary shows are two things, the emotional, spiritual toll that it's taking on the families.

00:11:23.000 And secondly, the beauty of the Latin mass and this persecution and make no mistake about it.

00:11:30.000 It is persecution by the bishops, by the Vatican of a thriving, thriving, growing liturgy that is not only attracting families, but young people as well.

00:11:43.000 People who have never been interested in the Catholic Church are coming to this mass.

00:11:48.000 What in God's name would any bishop who is supposed to be a shepherd of the church would do to suppress it and banish it into the boonies, which is what they're doing.

00:12:02.000 Not only here in Charlotte, but also in Detroit and France and around the world.

00:12:07.000 And what is very interesting to me is that I'm thrilled that the world can now see the face of the people and families that are being persecuted, not only by the bishops, but also by the Biden FBI.

00:12:24.000 You know, these were the people that were supposedly the radical traditionalists, right, the extremists.

00:12:31.000 You will see the most loving, dedicated, faithful, not only Catholics, but citizens who love their country and love their families.

00:12:40.000 And so it is absolutely essential that as many people see this, we need to rise up as a result of destroying something beautiful for the benefit of, I think, the intersection of the deep state and the deep church coming together to destroy what is magnificent in this church.

00:13:01.000 I can only applaud that.

00:13:04.000 Do you have a question for either Natalie or Brian?

00:13:08.000 I'd like to ask both of them the reaction that is coming as a result of, you know, the film has only been out, I think, 48 hours or so.

00:13:18.000 I mean, it's been going like wildfire around the world.

00:13:22.000 What are you hearing from both the people in your community and around the country?

00:13:27.000 Natalie?

00:13:29.000 Yes, I'll jump on that one.

00:13:32.000 I think we were up to almost 13,000 views as of today.

00:13:36.000 Uh, we put the film out this week, uh, on Monday.

00:13:40.000 Um, so it's been a little, a little longer than 48 hours, but, uh, nevertheless, it's, um, really taken off.

00:13:47.000 We've had, uh, great interviews.

00:13:49.000 Brian's been doing interviews for us and, um, different, um, we've got, even the UK.

00:13:56.000 I think Brian, you did an interview this morning with Catholic Unscripted.

00:14:00.000 Uh, Raymond Royal covered us.

00:14:02.000 Um, so we've had, uh, great coverage and, and the, the comments coming in.

00:14:08.000 If you look in the comments on, on the YouTube, uh, page where the film can be seen on our Regina Magazine YouTube page, um, the comments are very positive, affirmative.

00:14:19.000 Um, in, in, in some sense, this is a good news story in the fact that it is bringing together people all over the world, um, in a common, um, effort, a common effort to really try to get through to the hierarchy.

00:14:36.000 And hopefully Pope Leo is going to see this, you know, ultimately I I'd like him to see it.

00:14:41.000 Um, uh, I'd like our Holy Father to really take a look at this.

00:14:45.000 Yeah.

00:14:46.000 I see you're showing some of those, um, comments.

00:14:48.000 They're wonderful.

00:14:49.000 Um, and so it's, it's really bringing together the community worldwide.

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00:16:05.000 Frank Walker, what Natalie was just saying there about hopefully Pope Leo will see this film calls you to my mind.

00:16:20.000 Not only you, but Canon 212 and all of the great commentary you're putting out there on a day-by-day basis on the breaking headlines.

00:16:30.000 And this is something that we have spoken about time and time again on the show.

00:16:35.000 The book stops, right, with Pope Leo.

00:16:38.000 If, and he, you know, not just the Bishop of Charlotte, right, it is fundamentally the top of the apex, Pope Leo himself.

00:16:46.000 They are going to have to account for their actions before Jesus Christ as the supreme judge on the last day.

00:16:54.000 The very title of this film, Bread Not Stones, is quoted by that magnificent lady in the film that, you know, if you're, you know, it's from the quotation, obviously, from the gospel from our Lord.

00:17:07.000 If your son asks his father for bread, the father's not going to give him stones.

00:17:14.000 Yet our bishops and the Holy Father himself, they take that title father because they're supposed to represent something somewhat of the fatherhood there.

00:17:22.000 Frank, what's your reaction to this? And how hopeful are you that Pope Leo is going to intervene?

00:17:30.000 Well, one of the children in this movie also says, does the bishop hate us?

00:17:36.000 This, this happened to the entire world, you know, 50, 60 years ago.

00:17:42.000 And I don't think it was really chronicled quite well.

00:17:44.000 What they, what they, what this movie here shows is something very historic.

00:17:49.000 It shows the, the really the contempt and the, it's kind of a coup what's happened in the church for the hierarchy and everybody else.

00:18:00.000 And it's just, it's just good to have a document.

00:18:04.000 It's really not about the, the Latin mass to me, it is, but what it's about is the people and their souls.

00:18:12.000 All of the people that you've chosen here, they, you know, I, I, on Sundays, I go to a community, a Latin mass community that has been there forever.

00:18:20.000 Many people have grown up in it.

00:18:21.000 There's so much that they have to learn and to grow.

00:18:24.000 But these people here, they're telling about how they came into it, how it saved them from divorce, how they were looking for something that was family.

00:18:31.000 They didn't want to go to a grandmother church and all of their children, how much they care about their children.

00:18:36.000 I don't, I don't see, I think that even if you don't get, because right now Leo is, is the Leo church is, is hurting the mass in India by the way he makes bishops.

00:18:49.000 He may say a lot of things, but what the bishops do is what really matters.

00:18:53.000 And the bishops care about the coup.

00:18:56.000 They care about the power.

00:18:57.000 They're not care much, so much about the people in, in, in every car.

00:19:01.000 Look, look at what happened with this, with this shooting.

00:19:03.000 Every bishop is, they haven't changed one bit.

00:19:06.000 Even though a Catholic mass with children has been shot, it makes no difference to them.

00:19:10.000 They continue to push gun control.

00:19:13.000 That's what they care about.

00:19:14.000 And, and they even have Catholics in that parish.

00:19:17.000 They're not Latin mass Catholics.

00:19:19.000 They have the father of a child who's been shot.

00:19:22.000 And that father is spouting liberal talking points.

00:19:25.000 It's the people themselves that this movie shows.

00:19:28.000 It's so wonderful.

00:19:29.000 The people that are touched and they're, and, and they're learning that just like today is a feast of saying beheading a St. John the Baptist.

00:19:36.000 They're learning what, when you actually are in touch with the true faith.

00:19:40.000 And with, and with the true mass, there's a lot of hate out there.

00:19:43.000 You learn to be militant.

00:19:45.000 Right.

00:19:46.000 We have a, I went to a Novus Ordo mass today and, and my, my, the priests at the Novus Ordo mass gave a great sermon on that.

00:19:52.000 So many priests are victims of, of what they've done to the church.

00:19:57.000 There's so many of us that are victimized by this hierarchy and the people that they really care about.

00:20:03.000 Frank, I'm going to ask you, as, as I always do, if you wouldn't mind, please do put out on Canon 212 the link for the film.

00:20:12.000 So everyone watching the, and we'll give all the social media in just a few weeks if you want to get your pens and papers out, but, but please do put that on Canon 212.

00:20:21.000 Um, I know you have a tremendous, tremendous following that, uh, we need to get as much, many people watching this film as possible.

00:20:28.000 Now in the final five minutes of this, uh, segment, Jenny Holland, uh, go to atheist, um, who prays the, um, the, the rosary every day and has a great love for, as she corrected me, um, last week, not necessarily for the Catholic church, but for the Catholic faith itself.

00:20:48.000 Uh, the floor is yours. Um, you've seen this film. What, what's your reaction to it?

00:20:54.000 Well, first I want to say it was very beautiful and very calming and almost like a spiritual experience in itself.

00:21:01.000 So, um, I really must commend you for that. It was really, it's a beautiful.

00:21:05.000 Um, and it was also really striking and it was almost like a refreshing, um, moment of solace, 52 moments of solace, um,

00:21:16.000 um, because it, uh, the, the, the interviewees, the, the parishioners, um, in this documentary,

00:21:23.000 um, words that you hardly ever hear anymore in the modern discourse.

00:21:29.000 And I've been following church things quite closely recently, um, partly because of this with you, Ben,

00:21:35.000 but also because I'm interested in general and I've never heard these words yet spoken in, um, sort of mainstream Catholicism.

00:21:42.000 Words like reverence, words like, uh, sacrifice, words like discernment.

00:21:48.000 And I agree with, um, the film's maker there, Ben, you picked the perfect clip because that, that moment where he talks about the,

00:21:55.000 the masculine aspect of the mass and the, um, and the power of discernment, I think is the key problem that hinges around all of liberal,

00:22:04.000 not just churches, but societies in which we've lost the balance between masculine and feminine.

00:22:10.000 And the idea of the church now, when you go to, like, when I went to that, uh, thing in Turin,

00:22:16.000 where the, the state, the soon to be saint was being, um, there was a museum exhibition for him.

00:22:22.000 Um, and it was all about love and it was all about helping others.

00:22:26.000 And that's great. That's all well and good. Um, but what about the hard parts? What about the sacrifice?

00:22:32.000 What about the, uh, going without what about the militancy as Frank just said?

00:22:38.000 Because that is actually, and I say this again, as a very secular person who's lived in a very secular world,

00:22:44.000 my entire life and I'm an uncatechized Catholic, um, that militancy is needed.

00:22:50.000 Look at what just happened. As you mentioned in Minneapolis this week. Um, this was a young man who,

00:22:57.000 it seems, uh, from reports was in some ways, a member of the Catholic faith.

00:23:02.000 And that whole community was attacked by what really can only be described as a demon.

00:23:09.000 And I think that speaks to a lack of the militancy, a lack of spiritual leadership in, um, in the church hierarchy.

00:23:17.000 And I don't mean to sound out of place, but when I, when I watch, uh, or listen to, or even attend, uh,

00:23:24.000 Novus Ordo masses, um, there's, there's almost a sense of banality.

00:23:29.000 Um, and I say that with some hesitancy, but that is how I feel.

00:23:32.000 And I have been to the Latin mass and it's not that at all.

00:23:35.000 It is very much a place of, uh, spiritual focus.

00:23:40.000 And we need so much reverence. We need to reintroduce reverence back into society,

00:23:46.000 especially with our young people who are run amok, not really through any fault of their own.

00:23:50.000 It's really the fault of adults and the elders who failed them.

00:23:53.000 Um, but we've absolutely abandoned a sense of reverence, a sense of sacredness, um, and a sense of sacrifice.

00:24:00.000 And I think this film in a very beautiful way, it's beautifully shot, beautiful music, um,

00:24:07.000 brings that back into the public, uh, discourse.

00:24:11.000 Jenny, thanks very much for that.

00:24:13.000 Brian Williams, last word to you.

00:24:15.000 Can you in about 30 seconds, just synthesize what you're hoping this film will achieve?

00:24:21.000 We wanted to show, uh, our Bishop, we wanted to show the Holy Father and really the church at large,

00:24:29.000 the, the humans behind the Latin mass, the people who attend this mass.

00:24:33.000 Um, too often there are stereotypes.

00:24:35.000 There's, uh, online personas that don't maybe reflect the reality.

00:24:39.000 This documentary, I think for the first time really shows, as Natalie said, as you said yourself,

00:24:45.000 just the average, uh, Latin mass goer, uh, who is just a father, a mother, a husband, a wife, um, 0.70

00:24:53.000 and who just really want to go and go to mass and not have to have it impeded by their own bishop, by their own church.

00:25:00.000 I want people to see it and to recognize how truly, um, faithful these individuals are.

00:25:06.000 And, um, and, you know, to have an empathy and ultimately to have change come from that.

00:25:11.000 And for people to realize that this is a silly persecution, this is unnecessary.

00:25:17.000 That's perfect.

00:25:18.000 Um, Natalie Sonnen, where do people go to see the film?

00:25:22.000 So we have the film on our website at, uh, www.reginamagazine.org.

00:25:32.000 So that's where you can go.

00:25:33.000 We have a Q and A there.

00:25:35.000 We have the film and the trailer.

00:25:37.000 Um, and you're welcome to share that, um, with friends and family.

00:25:43.000 We really want this to go far and wide and we really want an impact, um,

00:25:47.000 for the good of the faithful and for the good of our church.

00:25:50.000 And, and your social presence on social media?

00:25:54.000 We have, uh, Facebook.

00:25:56.000 We're on Facebook, Twitter, um, uh, Instagram.

00:26:01.000 I believe we're on MeWe as well.

00:26:03.000 So, um, all of those places, um, are we, there, we've got a couple of accounts on Twitter,

00:26:11.000 but, um, the most recent one, I think it's, uh, Twitter, uh, Regina Mag five.

00:26:18.000 Perfect.

00:26:19.000 And Brian Williams, very quickly, your, your presence on, on social media.

00:26:23.000 Yeah.

00:26:24.000 The best way to follow would be, uh, on X, uh, it would be charlotte lap mass community,

00:26:28.000 but we also have a Facebook account, a title charlotte lap mass community as well.

00:26:31.000 There it is.

00:26:32.000 Uh, and that's where you're going to get most of the updates and, uh, on what's happening,

00:26:36.000 uh, on the ground, uh, the developments with regards to, uh, meetings with the bishop,

00:26:41.000 things of that nature.

00:26:42.000 So that's, that's perfect.

00:26:44.000 And as I said before, Canon two on two.com will carry all the links.

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00:26:53.000 you're for putting this together.

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00:31:24.000 You know, this is an encouragement to see young, beautiful, big families.

00:31:29.000 Everybody appreciates that.

00:31:31.000 Right.

00:31:32.000 And I think children, too, especially, really benefit from that.

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00:32:04.000 I still go to both.

00:32:05.000 I go to Novus Ordo and I go to Latin Mass.

00:32:11.000 But there was something about the Latin Mass that just, it just, like we are in front of our Lord.

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00:32:25.000 He's right there.

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00:32:37.000 This is his body.

00:32:38.000 This is his blood.

00:32:39.000 But it still kind of felt like.

00:32:42.000 It just seemed a little too.

00:32:49.000 Um.

00:32:51.000 It still felt.

00:32:53.000 Oh.

00:32:54.000 I'm at a loss for words to give a charitable description to my experience.

00:33:03.000 Like.

00:33:04.000 I guess, you know, it seemed a little bit soft to me in a way.

00:33:12.000 It seemed a little bit feel good.

00:33:15.000 Oh, what's the word?

00:33:18.000 And when I look at the cross, I didn't see feel good.

00:33:22.000 I saw sacrifice.

00:33:24.000 I saw repentance.

00:33:26.000 I saw, um, you know, hungering and going on a journey to God.

00:33:32.000 I saw deep introspection.

00:33:34.000 I don't want to say casual, but sometimes maybe.

00:33:44.000 Welcome back, folks.

00:33:45.000 Whilst we're trying to connect, there are some technical issues that we're having with Joachim Powell in Germany.

00:33:52.000 We're going to, we've reassembled our regular panel, our posse here to continue the analysis on this film, Bread and Stones.

00:34:02.000 I picked that extract there.

00:34:04.000 Um, as I said at the beginning, I really could have picked any 30 second, any 60 second pull from that in order to extract it.

00:34:13.000 Really because the way they edited that together, two separate contributors being interviewed at separate points in time, having the same difficulty in trying to put into words what it is they like about the old Latin mass.

00:34:27.000 Uh, and what sort of lacking in the new one.

00:34:30.000 Liz, you'll let me come back to you, um, first off, because I go to both masses.

00:34:37.000 Um, I go to the old, the old Latin one and the new one. 0.97

00:34:41.000 The reason I go to the new one at the moment, because I'm living in a small village, just, um, in the, in the around environs of, of Rome.

00:34:49.000 And it's just nice to be able, it's like a small, really small village of a couple of hundred people.

00:34:54.000 And it's nice to be able to go to, to mass on Sunday and see the people there and then see them sort of the coffee bar, the grocers or I view, or, or the getting bread throughout the week.

00:35:06.000 Um, and if I had to sort of, I don't know, drive 50 miles or, or what to get the local Latin mass, you are somewhat dislocated from that sense.

00:35:17.000 That's what they're saying in this film, right? Of the parish community.

00:35:20.000 That's the, I think that the real heinous thing that what Bishop Martin is doing is, and they, they can, they confronted this in the film.

00:35:28.000 They're respecting, they're expecting parishioners to decide between their love of parish and their love of the old mass.

00:35:34.440 Just, if you wouldn't mind, as we open this and continue the discussion on the importance of this film and what is going on in Charlotte, North Carolina, just, um, tell me something, wouldn't you, wouldn't you, if you wouldn't mind, Liz, about the old mass.

00:35:50.780 For a largely evangelical audience following us today, what is the old mass?

00:35:56.280 What is the tridentine mass and why are some Catholics, um, so agitated about what the Bishop in the Diocese of Charlotte has done?

00:36:10.440 Just to, but first of all, just for, for, for, for an evangelical, a largely evangelical audience, just, just what is the tradition, the tridentine Latin mass?

00:36:20.840 Well, I do remember the Latin mass. I grew up on the Latin mass.

00:36:24.520 I was educated by the Latin mass. And what I found there was, um, um, um, the beautiful Latin, the reverence, the transcendence of the church, the quiet, the quiet, uh, recitation of the prayers following along in the missal.

00:36:44.940 Latin has a special, I think, spiritual meaning for many of us. And it was the Latin mass in America that built Catholic families that educated millions of children in Catholic schools that created thousands of vocations.

00:37:03.820 And I remember it was the Latin mass. And I remember it was like overnight when the Latin mass was ripped out of the churches and we had felt banners taken up.

00:37:14.280 Then the magnificent 30 pipe organs were silenced.

00:37:18.240 And we had banjos and we had banjos and guitars at the front of mass. And the, the priest, instead of facing Jesus Christ and the cross faced the congregation.

00:37:30.920 This was a people centered as opposed to a Christ centered mass.

00:37:35.840 And I saw at that point in time, people leaving the church in droves. They had no idea what happened to this magnificent liturgy.

00:37:45.960 I saw priests leaving in droves and nuns leaving in droves. And we have not had a serious discussion about the impact.

00:37:55.620 Now we know that the church has fallen off because of robbing us of this magnificent liturgy.

00:38:02.280 But these people in Charlotte, they are in many respects and in, and in many of the major cities, they are the white martyrs.

00:38:11.160 They're traveling two hours to go to this magnificent mass because they want their families to experience the beauty and transcendence of Catholicism.

00:38:22.300 That has been for 1500 years, creating martyrs and faithful, faithful, faithful citizens and faithful lovers of God and Jesus Christ.

00:38:34.660 And this is the battle we're going to have in the battle of the Catholic church has always been against the world. 0.94

00:38:42.000 And the Latin mass stands in contradiction to the world and to secularism. 0.97

00:38:49.100 And we saw that what secularism does to a Catholic boy who's now dead and to two little children who have been dead at his hand.

00:39:01.200 And I think there is no coincidence that this movie is rolling out on this week, the sad week in America.

00:39:08.740 By the way, Liz, we absolutely caught that when this came through in real time on Wednesday evening and the tragedy was unfolding.

00:39:21.560 You, Frank and Jenny, you absolutely with the stories that we'd picked really by by because we hadn't planned, obviously, that as we planned the show, we hadn't planned those events around it.

00:39:32.200 But your analysis, what the three of you said on Wednesday, I think you absolutely nailed that story.

00:39:39.000 I'm very proud of the coverage that you brought out in real time.

00:39:43.080 Liz, I can buy, I can agree with everything you say just now.

00:39:49.100 There's one thing, however, that really just strikes me as being untrue and really objectively untrue.

00:39:56.380 And I can't accept what you said, and that's that you're old enough to remember the old mass.

00:40:03.040 That I don't believe.

00:40:05.300 I don't believe that.

00:40:05.860 I know, it's a mere child.

00:40:06.820 A mere child.

00:40:07.820 A mere child.

00:40:10.760 Frank Walker, one of the great services that you do with Canon 212 is an aggregator.

00:40:17.940 I often say you're basically the trad Catholic madrudge, and that is exactly the role that Canon 212 has. 0.98

00:40:24.500 You're putting out headlines there that over the course of the week, perhaps one or two might be picked up by some of the other trad sites.

00:40:37.000 But the whole full horror of what is going on in the church, I think you have a unique source that you're putting together there.

00:40:45.420 And again, it's a labor of love that you do when you put that site together and update it in real time.

00:40:51.560 And it was through your website, right, that we had that, that I found that story that I mentioned.

00:40:58.300 I saw nowhere else about this Catholic priest association last having that conference talking about, folks, here's your trigger warning.

00:41:11.720 Put your hands if your parents over your young kids is right now.

00:41:16.020 But when what they were talking about, and this was picked up by the Lepanto Institute, Michael Hickborn, if memory serves me correctly, had the tape recorder out.

00:41:26.480 He was silently listening to what these priests were saying between themselves. 0.87

00:41:32.260 And one of the priests said that he thanks God as he masturbates. 0.98

00:41:37.080 And that masturbation is a form of prayer. 0.59

00:41:42.320 So you have this going on in the, you know, and it's thanks to Canon 212 that Catholics can know about this, right? 0.69

00:41:49.300 So you have that.

00:41:50.400 That's what's going on over in the Novus Ordo section, the section of the Catholic Church, which is the majority in terms of actual priests and bishops.

00:42:02.200 That's what they're talking about behind closed doors.

00:42:06.940 And you see what's going on where you have this mass, parts of which the canon of the old mass, of the Latin mass, the traditional Latin mass, that goes back to like the 3rd and 4th centuries, like 1,700 years old, unchanged.

00:42:21.200 And you're seeing the fruits of that.

00:42:24.280 You're seeing these regular Catholics being spiritually enriched by their presence of the old mass.

00:42:30.660 So my question to you, Frank Walker, because you study these things like nobody else.

00:42:37.020 Where is the Catholic media on this issue?

00:42:41.620 Because I really, I see just the laity.

00:42:44.340 I see the passionate laity here.

00:42:47.060 Apart from you, who's picking this on my Canon 212.

00:42:51.980 Who's out there defending, you know, obviously this show as well.

00:42:54.860 But who is stepping into the breach here to defend the integrity of these ordinary Latin mass-going parishioners?

00:43:06.280 No, it was a wonderful thing.

00:43:08.120 A lot of people send me articles, nice people at Canon 212.

00:43:11.240 I get a lot of help with this site.

00:43:12.700 But it's a wonderful thing that they are actually making this film.

00:43:16.740 Because even if it doesn't, you know, convince the hierarchy to be different, it's still fighting.

00:43:24.480 And it's still going to grow and build a community.

00:43:26.700 They'll see it in the comments that we're getting.

00:43:29.200 The church that the Novus Order Church is the church in free fall.

00:43:36.160 It's not putting up a wall to the way society is.

00:43:39.800 That's why you have, with this Tranny, this Tran guy who shot up the church, whose mother was an employee there. 1.00

00:43:49.360 He, that is the Novus Order Catholic Church.

00:43:53.600 She was part of that community.

00:43:55.900 He was part of that community.

00:43:57.920 He was, like in the story that you mentioned,

00:44:01.100 priests that don't think that sexual sins are a big deal were part of this guy's formation.

00:44:06.980 That's why he thought that he was this way, which he regretted later.

00:44:11.200 It instilled so much hate in him for him to reject himself.

00:44:14.740 If they would have just been in the Latin mass community, this would never have happened. 1.00

00:44:19.440 This movie shows the people and how much they are changed by God.

00:44:23.880 That's why they can't put words.

00:44:25.980 They can't put it to words because God, they're in God's hands.

00:44:29.120 And God is changing them and turning them into something completely different.

00:44:32.880 And all they can do is just be dazzled by it.

00:44:34.920 I don't know why the press, the press only is going to do what they're, we live in a society, there's so much control.

00:44:43.880 We think we have all this freedom in the press.

00:44:46.060 There's not freedom in the Catholic press.

00:44:47.760 The Catholic press wants Leo to be Benedict.

00:44:50.960 And, you know, like you, I go to Novus Ordo during the week and because it's close,

00:44:55.520 because I'd rather have that mass than no mass at all.

00:44:57.940 And on the weekends, there's a lot of people in the traditional faithful Catholic community, they like to knock Pope Benedict.

00:45:04.420 They like to complain about it.

00:45:05.540 And they have good reasons.

00:45:06.880 But if it weren't for Pope Benedict, then this wouldn't happen.

00:45:10.400 These people would not exist if it weren't for Pope Benedict.

00:45:13.400 And he paid the price for what he did.

00:45:16.680 I mean, that's what happens when you cross, you know, and the media refuses to cross them.

00:45:21.960 But somebody's got to bring the truth out there.

00:45:24.140 That's what this movie does.

00:45:25.380 This movie brings the truth in a situation where nobody else is going to do it,

00:45:28.960 because they love to spike stories, like about how the tranny is really just a Catholic phenomenon.

00:45:34.480 The shooter in Annunciation is a Catholic, a Novus Ordo Catholic phenomenon. 0.54

00:45:40.980 Frank Walker, we only have six minutes of the show left.

00:45:43.800 And otherwise, otherwise, I would respond to your challenge on your gratuitous attack on Catholics who criticised Pope Benedict.

00:45:56.440 I have plenty of defences, but a point taken.

00:46:00.880 Jenny, I'm going to just ask you the question now.

00:46:05.700 Where do people go?

00:46:07.120 If not, is there anywhere to go for people who seek out the transcendent in the modern world?

00:46:16.600 You've got to watch this film, right?

00:46:18.240 Folks, I said earlier, it was prayerfully made.

00:46:22.580 The transcendence, they did very well, the makers of that film, because the transcendence,

00:46:27.160 which is part of the experience of going to the old mass, you really get to get a feel for that.

00:46:34.080 But just by watching this film, it's only 15 minutes long.

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00:48:01.380 Jenny Holland, where do people go in the modern world for transcendence?

00:48:07.680 Transcendence doesn't exist in the modern world, and neither does mystery.

00:48:12.300 And I know I already spoke about reverence in the first segment, but mystery and transcendence are very clearly central to the Latin math.

00:48:25.240 And I've been to them myself, and I have experienced that, but it's also made very clear in the film.

00:48:30.560 And what Liz was saying about how the heart was ripped out of a lot of parishes after the Novus Ordo became the normal mass, that actually speaks to my mother's own family.

00:48:46.340 My grandfather was what would now be called a triptrat cat, and a very devout Latin mass goer. 0.99

00:48:54.200 And, you know, the family's Catholicism definitely fell apart once the Latin mass was abandoned.

00:49:00.480 And obviously there was a lot of other factors going on there.

00:49:03.620 But even my mother, who abandoned the church and became an actual communist for at least a few years, she always spoke and still does to this day very fondly of the Latin mass and how much more beautiful it was and how much more powerful it was and how much more sacred it was.

00:49:20.480 And how the kind of, like I said earlier, the banality of the kind of happy, clappy guitar mass was a loss.

00:49:30.080 Mystery and transcendence are things that are not just lacking in the mass, but they're lacking in liberal worldview altogether.

00:49:36.840 And I actually think this has had deeply negative repercussions because the, over time, this was compounded into a very smug sense of man knows it all.

00:49:51.400 The educated, the intellectual, the professional knows it all.

00:49:55.900 And that might have sounded well and good, I don't know, 30 years ago when the guardrails were still in place and things were more, you know, somewhat normal.

00:50:03.860 But now, after everything we've seen in the last 10 years, after COVID, after the rise of the trans insanity and the sex changes for children, which was all rubber stamped and enthusiastically promoted by professionals and by intellectuals and by, you know, the great and the good. 0.97

00:50:23.860 We, we, we see that the lack of wonder, the lack of mystery, the lack of sacredness and the lack of fear led to a hubris that has literally destroyed the lives of countless children.

00:50:38.660 Jenny, where do people go to catch you? Beautifully put.

00:50:42.120 Where do people go to catch you on social media?

00:50:45.000 I'm on JennyEHolland.substack.com and I'm on X at SemperFemina21.

00:50:56.280 Lizio?

00:50:56.960 Well, I would just ask before giving my social media that everyone send and tweet the movie Bread Not Stones to at Pontifex, that is Pope Leo's Twitter account, X account.

00:51:14.200 I'm at your children everywhere.

00:51:17.680 Frank Walker?

00:51:19.900 Canon212 with just one N. Type it out in the screen and also Twitter at Canon212 spelled out.

00:51:26.960 Don't forget, folks, you need to type it out in full because Canon212, since Frank Walker started appearing on this show, has been suppressed by the Google algorithms.

00:51:37.820 Thank you for joining us.

00:51:38.740 We'll be back on Friday of next week.

00:51:41.840 Liz, I'd like to thank you for instigating the, initiating this, this show today.

00:51:48.100 It worked very well.

00:51:48.760 I thank Vittorio Franco as well for his help and Cameron Wallace, our producer.

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