Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 843： UK Analyst Joseph Robertson Shines Light On The Most Powerful Socialist Org You’ve Never Heard Of

00:00:00.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

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00:00:09.000 Because we're going medieval on these people.

00:00:12.000 I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.

00:00:17.000 The people have had a belly full of it.

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00:00:22.000 but you're not going to stop it.

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00:00:24.000 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?

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00:00:29.000 I wish in my soul,

00:00:31.000 I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:00:34.000 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:00:38.000 If that answer is to save my country,

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00:00:44.000 War Room.

00:00:45.000 Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.

00:00:48.000 Thursday, 4th of September, Anno Domini 2025.

00:01:00.000 Great guest this evening, Joseph Robertson, a political strategist in the UK, my beloved homeland, who has come out with this incredible analysis.

00:01:11.000 And I strongly recommend everybody to go to Substack and read it for themselves.

00:01:16.000 We'll be pushing out the link for this later on towards the end of this block.

00:01:22.000 And the thesis basically is, I don't know how much you will follow UK politics, but there's been this organization called the Fabian Society, very heavily involved with the Labour Party since its foundation, since before it's involved in the foundation of the Labour Party.

00:01:41.000 The Fabian Society has been around for 140 years and it's always been known as being socialist, but moderate and non revolutionary.

00:01:52.000 But in fact, thanks to Joseph's analysis and research here, there are a couple of things here that, and I consider myself a close follower of UK politics, I wasn't aware of.

00:02:03.000 And it's not as moderate and non revolutionary as they've had us believe.

00:02:10.000 Joseph, welcome on to the show.

00:02:11.000 Thanks very much for coming on.

00:02:13.000 Can you just tell us in your own words, just a little bit about the Fabian Society and why you will go into some of the themes that you mentioned in your article.

00:02:22.000 But first, just tell us a bit about the Fabian Society and why you decided that it warranted a closer look.

00:02:29.000 Well, thanks very much for having me on, first of all.

00:02:32.000 And, you know, I think this is a story, like you said, isn't well known even perhaps to most of the general public in the UK, let alone around the world.

00:02:40.000 And there are two things to point out with the Fabian Society that are really key for the audience to understand.

00:02:46.000 One is the theme of something called gradualism, which is basically an antidote, if you like, to revolutionary communism.

00:02:53.000 Because what they realized is that if you do a revolution and do it well, you can take over the system.

00:02:59.000 But to actually get the people on the side over many hundreds of years is how you really take over a system.

00:03:05.000 It's not all about hard and fast beheadings and executions.

00:03:09.000 It's more about getting the will of the people, getting the judiciary, getting the very system itself into place.

00:03:15.000 And that's the theme of gradualism. It's a gradual progress through the institutions.

00:03:19.000 I'm sure some of this will resonate. You know, it's the breakdown of the nuclear family.

00:03:23.000 It's the breakdown of the nation state. It's the decimation of free speech.

00:03:26.000 It's all from the communist playbook that we know so well.

00:03:29.000 But what the Fabians did differently from the late 1800s onwards is realized that there was a route to slow and gradual progress that would culminate in them running the government.

00:03:40.000 And this is what they have, in my opinion, successfully done.

00:03:43.000 We've seen it particularly with, you know, looking at the current Labour government.

00:03:47.000 I mean, Keir Starmer himself is a Fabian.

00:03:50.000 The mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, who is certainly not in the good books of the American establishment.

00:03:56.000 He is also a Fabian. Angela Rayner is a Fabian.

00:03:59.000 The Lord, Lord Hermer, who is the attorney general, is also a Fabian. 0.81

00:04:04.000 A recent judge who was on one of the migrant hotel cases, it's discovered, was a Fabian. 0.66

00:04:09.000 They are everywhere and they have permeated throughout the entire establishment.

00:04:13.000 And I think something that's very important to note and will resonate straight away is that Tony Blair was a Fabian.

00:04:18.000 And if you understand that and you understand what was happening in the world between 1997 and 2008, then it puts a lot of things into place.

00:04:27.000 Because their idea is to take things over through supranational institutions, international law, and to basically take away our freedom and our sovereignty.

00:04:38.000 Now, I know you're going to talk a little bit about the UK's Human Rights Act from 1998, pushed by Tony Blair in a moment, and the judicial activism that really sort of snuck in also through the creation at the same time of the Supreme Court.

00:04:54.000 But first, just go back, if you wouldn't mind, 140 years, to the foundation of the Fabian Society.

00:05:02.000 Who were the original Fabians, first of all?

00:05:05.000 And what was the philosophical context around which they got together?

00:05:11.000 So you had George Bernard Shaw and Sidney Webb.

00:05:14.000 And these were two of the key founding voices in the movement.

00:05:18.000 Bernard Shaw, in particular, is a particularly sinister individual.

00:05:23.000 I mean, he called for the decimation of certain populations.

00:05:26.000 He loved what was happening with Marxist projects around the world.

00:05:30.000 And we can't really even call it Marxist at that point because it was creeping out through revolutionary, what I call student politics, socialism at that point.

00:05:38.000 The stuff that, for those who might like to read the Russian classics, Dostoevsky and other authors were picking up on at the time.

00:05:45.000 He was a big fan of all this kind of revolutionary anti-establishment enlightenment that was driving and sweeping through Europe at the time.

00:05:53.000 And he, along with his co-founders, basically realized that there was a way to do this in Britain.

00:05:59.000 But because they were up against an establishment, which is deeply, deeply embedded into the British system, is what you think about when you think about Britain.

00:06:06.000 You know, the monarchy, these institutions, these grand institutions we've had for hundreds of years.

00:06:12.000 It was going to be a far tougher challenge than in more volatile political atmospheres on the continent.

00:06:18.000 And so what they did was essentially to look at it as though they were the establishment.

00:06:22.000 They started to set up universities like the London School of Economics.

00:06:26.000 They set up and founded the Labour Party.

00:06:28.000 I mean, I would go even further than what you said in your intro.

00:06:31.000 I think they were actually the creators of the Labour Party.

00:06:34.000 So they were revolutionary in every aspect of that early socialist movement, which then went on to create trade unions and all the things we saw fighting for communist purposes in the Cold War.

00:06:46.000 It all sounds very English.

00:06:49.000 Back in sort of the late second half of the 19th century, looking at some of the founding figures here, it's a bit like, I don't know, Sunday afternoon tea at the Vicarage.

00:07:03.000 There's no real, in fact, there's no real, nothing brazen enough to frighten the horses.

00:07:10.000 And yet the revolutionary content is certainly there.

00:07:13.000 Now, what you were mentioning just now is about the foundation of the Labour Party.

00:07:20.000 That took place around the very early 1900s, right?

00:07:25.000 And I think it was the international labour movement or something like that right there at the beginning.

00:07:30.000 And you have a number of different streams flowing into this.

00:07:34.000 You have the web, Sydney Beatrice Webb, obviously.

00:07:37.000 But you also have someone like Keir Hardy, who's presumably he's the person who inspired our current prime minister's parents in the naming of their child, right?

00:07:49.000 And he was always he was that he was always a bit more being from old labour, old sort of manual labour sort of background, very wary of the middle class sentiments of the Fabian society.

00:08:04.000 And he was much more, I think it's fair to say, he's obviously sort of a Christian socialist as well.

00:08:13.000 I think it's the reason I'm saying that is because there are some things in the Keir Hardy programme that found it's obviously found its way into the early labour movement that a lot of MAGA can support.

00:08:25.000 Right. Which is the the concentration on on a fair, you know, a fair deal, basically, for the blue collar worker.

00:08:34.000 It's it's socialist. But as some people like to say, I think Blair might be one of them himself.

00:08:40.000 It's social hyphen is rather than the full on redistribution of wealth and some some other forms of socialism, like sort of going towards communism and Marxism, the abolition of private property.

00:08:52.000 Now, that's sort of far more in the territory of the Web's. Right. So you have this coming together.

00:08:58.000 And the what the what I want to ask you here about that is the Web's, I think, didn't they go to or Bernard Shaw?

00:09:09.000 He went to to Soviet Russia. He saw Stalin. He came to Italy and sat down with Mussolini.

00:09:17.000 Mussolini. What was what was his reaction to those two individuals?

00:09:23.000 Well, he actually advocated for eugenics. He advocated for the extermination of certain populations.

00:09:28.000 He was he was enthralled, in fact, with national socialism because he understood Hitler's project better than a lot of modern day historians,

00:09:35.000 which was that to properly take over a country, you can't just use the lower classes to rise.

00:09:41.000 You also have to have the middle and upper classes in your in your hand.

00:09:45.000 And then he realized that other movements were doing this successfully.

00:09:49.000 So really, what we're talking about is exactly what you're saying is it's a melding of blue collar labor, which is essentially fighting for a better deal, fighting for better working conditions.

00:09:59.000 It's not necessarily Marxism. And then this totalitarian, authoritarian mindset of eugenics, the Margaret Sanger attitude, perhaps from an American audience to to get a reference point.

00:10:10.000 That's the kind of people that these shores and webs were. And what they did so successfully was to, you know, unite some of the aristocracy and the institutions, the universities, which, let's face it, weren't that democratic at the time of foundation with this more sinister subcurrent.

00:10:30.000 And yes, he praised Mussolini, he praised Stalin, but he also realized that, like you said, they needed a third way. They needed gradualism.

00:10:39.000 And what's really interesting to note is that this idea of a third way, this idea of doing Marxism differently is also very similar to the language that Tony Blair used when introducing his own economic platform in the late 90s and early 2000s.

00:10:53.000 He used exactly that terminology a third way. So there's this sort of, as you said, it is quite English. It's quite stereotypical. It's let's do it over a cup of tea rather than have a revolution.

00:11:04.540 And I think that's why it's been so successful, because you can barely notice it.

00:11:08.360 And as you're saying, basically, most of the present government are members of the Fabian Society. But you make the point in your article that really, that's almost a diversion.

00:11:22.580 The revelation of that should shock people and to wake them up. But that's really only the superficial part of it.

00:11:29.340 Because as you make clear towards the second half of your article, the real success of the Fabian Society is its infiltration into the civil service.

00:11:39.020 And you make the analysis how that sort of this is very much the UK's deep state. And that's where they have the capture.

00:11:46.060 And I think in your own words, you say they've been so successful at this. It doesn't really matter which colour rosette occupies Downing Street.

00:11:54.700 That's completely correct. So our administrative deep state is obviously older than a lot of other institutions, because we are, you know, the original foundational democracy, other than one or two other countries who have had it slightly longer.

00:12:10.000 But we're certainly the largest nation in terms of the democratic nations who's had a system of parliament for probably the longest period.

00:12:19.760 And so what's happened over many hundreds of years is that bureaucracy is built up around Whitehall and around the Houses of Parliament.

00:12:28.520 And what the Fabians realised very early on was that if they could control this, this bureaucracy, this administrative deep state, then they would be the ones in charge regardless of the colour of the rosette.

00:12:38.740 So what they did was to put their own people into significant positions.

00:12:43.960 So as an example, the current governor of the Bank of England, a very, very, very, very important position, as you'll see in a second from the analogy I'm going to give, is a Fabian.

00:12:54.600 And he, if rumours are to be believed, and I believe they are because I've had it from the horse's mouth, was the guy who was instrumental in bringing down Liz Truss, who is a name I'm sure many of your audience will be aware of.

00:13:05.820 She is on the warpath to call out the deep state for what it is in this country.

00:13:10.420 She's our former prime minister, former conservative prime minister, who was brought down essentially by the financial institutions working cohesively together to evict her from office.

00:13:19.640 And she found that she was not only up against her own party, who have drifted far to the left, that's the Tory party, the conservative party,

00:13:27.180 but she was also up against an administrative deep state that went far, far beyond the civil service.

00:13:31.880 It went into the financial institutions, the judiciary, the Supreme Court.

00:13:36.320 Another important thing to note is that in the UK, the idea of a Supreme Court is a relatively new idea.

00:13:42.140 We didn't have a Supreme Court before the Blair Brown government, who introduced that in 2008 and 2009.

00:13:48.360 And before that, the law lords, our Supreme Court, sat in the House of Lords.

00:13:54.040 So they were wedded to the parliamentary constitution.

00:13:56.800 They were part of the process in the lower and upper house.

00:13:59.900 They got removed into the Supreme Court for a reason, because what Blair wanted to do was create a network that was the rule of law.

00:14:08.500 It was the lawyers and the judiciary who were going to take over upholding this new Fabian project.

00:14:14.440 And that's why it's so important that so many judges, so many lawyers are Fabians now, because it all makes sense. 1.00

00:14:19.960 We're going to stay on this subject.

00:14:24.940 I just want to quickly have a quick word about some of our sponsors.

00:14:29.000 But before we do that, I just want to ask you this question about the Supreme Court.

00:14:34.080 Many people will be persuaded by the argument about the separation of powers and the notional idea that it's still basically the law lords, but not sitting in the upper chamber of the legislature of Parliament, but in a separate concrete body.

00:14:50.760 But you make the argument, which is, historically, it's absolutely true, that whatever you might think of the concept of separation of powers, I think it goes back to Montesquieu, right, who might have coined that philosophically.

00:15:05.080 But whatever you might think about that, that's not the British tradition.

00:15:08.060 That's not the English tradition.

00:15:09.120 The English tradition, over 1,400 years, as you make the argument, evolved in a very different direction.

00:15:16.200 And, in fact, in the English tradition, it is the case and appropriate that the legislature itself should be the final arbiter of what law means rather than unelected judges.

00:15:29.160 There's a very fine point to make on this, and I don't want to make it too nuanced because I want people to really understand what's going on here.

00:15:34.520 But the easiest way to think about this is that we have always had a constitutional monarchy.

00:15:39.120 And that monarch doesn't have real or absolute power.

00:15:42.820 He's there, essentially, as a head, something that binds together the four nations, because we are a united kingdom.

00:15:49.160 We are four nations.

00:15:51.320 We are Great Britain, but we are four nations.

00:15:53.760 And so the monarch is the glue that holds that together.

00:15:56.980 He's the final piece in the jigsaw, as it were.

00:15:59.240 And so the House of Lords is essentially one down from the king, in a sense, because it's the mixture of the hereditary peers, most of whom have been got rid of by Labour, and then also an expert class of lords who sit and look through laws to try and pick through it.

00:16:17.280 So it's a very, very expert body.

00:16:19.620 These are people who examine stuff before it goes through.

00:16:22.200 But again, they don't have absolute power.

00:16:24.860 The real power lies in the sovereignty of parliament, which is the lower house.

00:16:28.260 It's the house of the people.

00:16:29.960 Now, when a law goes from the House of Commons to the House of Lords, it has to be rubber stamped with the seal of the king.

00:16:36.300 The presence of the king and the House of Lords gives the final stamp on a law.

00:16:42.180 That's an important point to note.

00:16:44.000 Since the creation of the Supreme Court, twice, the sovereign will of parliament, which is the people's will, the democratic will that cannot be overturned, of the people, has been overturned by the Supreme Court.

00:16:56.700 Once, in Miller No. 1, which was when parliament was prorogued during Brexit, which means it was shut down, the Supreme Court decided that that couldn't happen and said that what the prime minister had done was illegal.

00:17:08.260 Completely wrong, because it received royal assent.

00:17:10.680 It should have happened.

00:17:11.940 And the second time was the Rwanda migrant scheme, which the Conservative Party tried and failed with, where, again, they overturned the rule of the House of Commons and made it about the rule of law.

00:17:23.420 So they're working against the people.

00:17:26.700 Joseph Robertson, hold that, because you're touching one of my favourite, the supremacy of parliament, and this principle that no parliament can bind another, is one of my personal hobby horses.

00:17:38.860 And I always love talking about this, especially to a predominantly American audience.

00:17:43.640 Hold on that, we'll come back to this point in just a couple of moments' time.

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00:20:23.920 Okay, so Joseph, I often use my little perch here on the wall room to gently suggest to Americans who hold their constitutional system in great esteem that actually the better system is the English system,

00:20:38.940 because there you have a system where your directly elected representatives have the ultimate say over the nation.

00:20:47.660 I often like to make the argument that one of the, and I voted for Brexit, that one of the things that really got under the skin of the Brits was the fact that Parliament,

00:20:57.960 our Parliament could be overruled by a group of Europeans sitting in Brussels.

00:21:03.040 And that did not sit well with us because we had this parliamentary tradition where Parliament is sovereign.

00:21:08.820 No judges can overrule it.

00:21:10.880 And as you point out, in the late 90s, 98 or whatever it was, Tony Blair created this Supreme Court.

00:21:16.920 And you cited these two instances.

00:21:18.680 Now, I want to play devil's advocate for a moment on this,

00:21:21.880 because my understanding of the Supreme Court is that it can't overturn primary legislation, Parliament's explicit legislation.

00:21:28.940 What it can do is say that the government hasn't interpreted the law correctly,

00:21:33.380 but the government is always free to pass an amendment or to clarify that situation,

00:21:37.500 which is the thing that you really don't have here in Italy or in America,

00:21:40.880 because once the judge says that's unconstitutional, you're pretty much stuck with that.

00:21:46.340 Am I right or am I wrong on that?

00:21:48.520 What is the sovereign body in England or in the UK right now?

00:21:53.480 Is it the Supreme Court or is it the king in Parliament?

00:21:58.160 Well, this is the big question, right?

00:22:00.060 I think for a long time, because the system hadn't been tested,

00:22:03.000 we couldn't really answer that question,

00:22:04.600 because it had never come to the point where something had received royal assent,

00:22:08.260 but then had gone to the Supreme Court and be deemed illegal.

00:22:11.900 Now, can you say that sovereignty is the law,

00:22:16.040 but then also say that a sovereign Parliament has acted illegally?

00:22:21.040 To me, that seems like a paradox.

00:22:23.120 So I think that kind of answers your question.

00:22:25.500 If the Supreme Court can sit on its high horse,

00:22:28.940 which, by the way, is not elected in any way, shape or form,

00:22:32.880 and that is your point, it's not elected,

00:22:35.240 and yet it can overturn the sovereign will of Parliament,

00:22:38.440 even if they have acted so-called illegally.

00:22:41.980 I mean, explain to me this paradox.

00:22:43.780 If you make the laws, how can you break them directly?

00:22:47.660 I'm not talking about the individuals, not the MPs breaking laws,

00:22:50.820 but the actual House.

00:22:52.780 How can it break the law by passing a law or a directive?

00:22:57.100 Well, it can't.

00:22:57.920 And, of course, the Rwanda bill was a bill.

00:23:01.380 So it went through and it got shot down by the Supreme Court.

00:23:04.180 So I think this has been tested now.

00:23:05.640 We know who's in charge.

00:23:06.900 It's the judiciary.

00:23:08.280 And that is so important.

00:23:10.080 There's another really, really interesting nuance here.

00:23:12.960 When the Lord Chancellor takes an oath,

00:23:16.060 he now says,

00:23:17.560 I vow to uphold the rule of law.

00:23:21.680 That is an addition.

00:23:23.300 That did not used to be in the vow he took.

00:23:26.540 That came in in the early 2000s under Tony Blair.

00:23:29.840 Before that, he vowed to uphold the King and Parliament.

00:23:35.000 So what do we have here?

00:23:37.340 We have what I call a backdoor to cultural regicide. 0.96

00:23:40.740 It's a way to get rid of the supremacy of the King

00:23:43.500 and the supremacy of the people.

00:23:46.440 And those two things are combined, of course,

00:23:49.320 through our common law in the UK,

00:23:52.340 our common law, which, of course,

00:23:53.920 dates far, far back into history.

00:23:55.880 And you can go all the way back to Runnymede

00:23:57.360 and the charter signed by all the noble barons

00:23:59.760 to protect the people, et cetera.

00:24:01.940 We have a long constitutional history of this.

00:24:04.600 The people are in charge in the UK

00:24:06.500 because of the House of Commons.

00:24:08.320 If that can then put a bill through,

00:24:10.300 which, again, gets royal assent,

00:24:12.320 but cannot pass the Supreme Court

00:24:14.400 because of technicalities,

00:24:16.260 you are not being governed by the King.

00:24:18.540 You're not being governed by the people.

00:24:20.040 And so fundamentally, we have institutional capture

00:24:22.980 and we are governed by what I would call

00:24:25.440 a communist regime.

00:24:29.160 Fundamentally, to continue my role here

00:24:31.940 as devil's advocate,

00:24:32.920 in the UK, Parliament could always abolish

00:24:35.840 the Supreme Court, right?

00:24:38.320 It can simply pass an Act of Parliament

00:24:40.300 abolishing the Supreme Court.

00:24:42.000 Whether the Supreme Court then says

00:24:43.460 that Act is illegal

00:24:45.580 would be an interesting dynamic.

00:24:47.800 Look, we've got like 90 seconds left.

00:24:50.180 Can you just give me your synthesis on this

00:24:53.520 as a strategy to MAGA?

00:24:55.740 What can they do about looking

00:24:57.540 at the Fabian success

00:24:59.140 to learn from it

00:25:01.680 and to absorb some of these ideas

00:25:04.300 in their own fight back now

00:25:06.340 to take back the American system 0.91

00:25:08.400 for the American people?

00:25:10.580 Well, now we get on to the good stuff.

00:25:12.300 It's a shame I've only got a few seconds

00:25:13.780 to talk about it,

00:25:14.600 but we need to take a chainsaw

00:25:16.000 to the establishment in this country.

00:25:17.740 That's what's got to happen.

00:25:19.160 We've got to look at three people,

00:25:20.520 Malay, Trump, and Orban.

00:25:22.520 Malay took a chainsaw 0.99

00:25:23.600 to the bureaucracy in Argentina.

00:25:25.160 He slashed similar inner fashion

00:25:27.200 to what Doge is doing in the US,

00:25:28.700 but perhaps even more extreme.

00:25:30.060 He slashed whole elements

00:25:32.200 of the administrative deep state.

00:25:34.840 They disappeared.

00:25:35.520 They went away.

00:25:36.620 And of course, what Orban's doing

00:25:38.080 at the other end of the spectrum

00:25:39.240 is state building.

00:25:40.560 He's putting in place institutions

00:25:42.400 that will last decades,

00:25:43.900 if not hundreds of years,

00:25:45.880 on the right of Hungarian politics

00:25:48.640 in that country.

00:25:49.920 And so for MAGA and for the UK,

00:25:52.220 what we have to do

00:25:53.000 is take those lessons

00:25:54.060 and synthesize them.

00:25:55.920 We have to figure out

00:25:57.040 what it is constitutionally

00:25:58.380 we need to do

00:25:59.400 to put the safeguards in place

00:26:01.040 to prevent a recapture of the state,

00:26:03.720 because it's great winning an election

00:26:05.560 and it's great just doing things.

00:26:07.380 That's all important stuff.

00:26:08.900 You've got to flood the zone.

00:26:09.880 You've got to take back the system.

00:26:12.120 But then you've got to build

00:26:13.320 the next generation.

00:26:14.480 And that's the most important part.

00:26:16.160 That's what the Fabians have done 0.81

00:26:17.320 for 140 years.

00:26:19.000 And that's what we have to do

00:26:20.260 in this country,

00:26:21.160 what they have to do in the US.

00:26:22.700 And the only way to do that

00:26:24.080 is to galvanize the youth.

00:26:25.560 This is what I love about MAGA right now.

00:26:27.780 And this is what we need

00:26:28.660 to get right in the UK.

00:26:30.080 Once you've slashed

00:26:31.120 all of the libret tape

00:26:32.400 and all the legislation

00:26:33.260 and you've built a new civil service

00:26:35.460 that's higher and fireable,

00:26:36.960 then you've got to staff it

00:26:37.980 with young people.

00:26:38.700 That was just fascinating.

00:26:42.260 Stand by, folks.

00:26:43.180 We'll be back in about two minutes

00:26:44.720 after this short break

00:26:45.680 to continue the analysis

00:26:46.940 with Joseph Robertson.

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00:31:34.040 Welcome back, folks.

00:31:35.420 And one of the great joys

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00:31:43.280 And the engagement we've had

00:31:44.940 over the last 25 minutes

00:31:46.700 with Joseph Robertson

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00:31:58.520 So, Joseph,

00:32:00.020 you were saying

00:32:00.580 just before the break there

00:32:02.180 what MAGA

00:32:04.800 as a revolutionary movement

00:32:07.620 might want to absorb

00:32:09.720 from some of the Fabian Society

00:32:12.060 and other revolutionary movements

00:32:13.980 and successes

00:32:15.020 over the last 140 years.

00:32:17.920 there is something

00:32:19.720 that both movements share.

00:32:21.940 Let me put this to you.

00:32:23.720 And that is the fact

00:32:24.620 that they are both attempts

00:32:25.860 to reform the system

00:32:27.260 from within

00:32:28.440 rather than

00:32:29.800 to overthrow the system.

00:32:31.740 Even if,

00:32:32.340 as you were saying earlier

00:32:33.200 in the first half

00:32:33.900 of the show,

00:32:34.320 that Sidney

00:32:35.640 and Beatrix Webb

00:32:36.820 actually lost hope

00:32:39.680 in the ability

00:32:40.380 to do that

00:32:41.100 and they became

00:32:41.900 full-on overthrow

00:32:43.000 the system

00:32:43.720 type revolutionaries.

00:32:45.320 Originally,

00:32:46.100 the Fabian ideal

00:32:46.980 is to change within.

00:32:48.280 That is something

00:32:48.900 that MAGA

00:32:49.700 intends to do as well.

00:32:51.360 And I think many people

00:32:52.180 look at President Trump

00:32:53.480 as the last chance

00:32:55.200 to successfully

00:32:56.320 change the system

00:32:57.620 from within

00:32:58.600 while it might still

00:32:59.480 be possible.

00:33:00.300 So, let's come back

00:33:00.880 to this point

00:33:01.380 what you were saying

00:33:02.100 about

00:33:02.720 it wasn't Gramsci's

00:33:04.040 expression

00:33:04.560 the slow march

00:33:05.360 through the institutions.

00:33:07.420 I think it was

00:33:07.880 Rudi Deutschka

00:33:08.900 who coined that

00:33:09.740 but it's often attributed

00:33:10.600 to Gramsci.

00:33:11.520 It's very much there

00:33:12.480 in his philosophy.

00:33:13.920 What do we,

00:33:14.820 you know,

00:33:14.980 without obviously

00:33:15.560 wanting to imitate

00:33:17.060 the cultural Marxists

00:33:18.640 too much,

00:33:19.220 they have been

00:33:19.840 pretty successful

00:33:20.760 in setting about

00:33:21.660 achieving what

00:33:23.240 they want to do.

00:33:24.460 Go,

00:33:24.740 continue your point

00:33:25.440 that you were on

00:33:26.020 before the break

00:33:26.720 about what MAGA

00:33:27.620 might be looking at here

00:33:28.760 about the Fabians.

00:33:31.120 Point us to imitate.

00:33:32.960 You have to get outside,

00:33:34.640 I think,

00:33:35.080 of electoral politics

00:33:37.700 to really consider

00:33:38.440 this question properly

00:33:39.600 because of course

00:33:40.520 what we find

00:33:41.860 with particularly

00:33:42.620 the Fabian Society

00:33:43.540 in the UK

00:33:44.100 and what they've done

00:33:45.740 is that it doesn't matter

00:33:46.680 who's in power.

00:33:48.120 The Conservative Party

00:33:49.100 were in power

00:33:49.620 in this country

00:33:50.100 for about 14 years

00:33:51.380 and okay,

00:33:52.040 they are a far more

00:33:52.820 left-wing party

00:33:53.580 than they used to be now

00:33:54.800 but there were still

00:33:55.760 some good people

00:33:56.500 within that movement

00:33:57.460 who wanted to do things

00:33:58.660 and they couldn't

00:33:59.420 because the institutions

00:34:00.640 were so fundamentally

00:34:01.640 captured

00:34:02.180 from the financial institutions

00:34:03.700 all the way through

00:34:04.380 to the universities

00:34:05.220 all the way through

00:34:06.700 to even private corporations

00:34:08.820 and the way they run

00:34:10.020 that every time

00:34:11.440 they tried something

00:34:12.260 it failed.

00:34:12.920 It was either held up

00:34:13.700 by the judiciary,

00:34:15.120 it flopped financially

00:34:16.600 or there was some other

00:34:18.120 mechanism in place

00:34:19.240 to prevent it from happening.

00:34:20.800 So what we have to do

00:34:22.040 is if you like

00:34:22.680 counter-revolutionaries

00:34:24.040 as the people

00:34:24.680 who want to rebuild

00:34:26.180 the system

00:34:26.800 with a prosperity

00:34:28.360 and sovereignty agenda

00:34:31.060 is we have to create

00:34:33.340 not just parallel institutions

00:34:35.040 but also go back in

00:34:36.400 and retake over institutions

00:34:38.420 where necessary.

00:34:40.840 And so that sometimes

00:34:42.540 means building new projects.

00:34:44.540 I mean, look at what

00:34:45.280 the Fabians did.

00:34:46.260 You know, this is a good point.

00:34:47.360 The London School of Economics

00:34:48.500 now revered around the world

00:34:50.720 as a left-wing

00:34:52.540 but nonetheless

00:34:53.180 formidable institution.

00:34:55.780 is considered by many

00:34:58.480 to be one of the pillars

00:34:59.880 of those who maybe

00:35:01.640 want to go into

00:35:02.440 the financial markets

00:35:03.580 or into certain areas

00:35:05.140 of governance.

00:35:07.560 And so people go there

00:35:09.000 and whether they like it or not

00:35:10.400 they will at some point

00:35:11.440 be received

00:35:12.280 or sorry, be met with

00:35:13.600 leftist indoctrination.

00:35:15.300 So we need to build institutions

00:35:16.540 like that one

00:35:17.780 that do the opposite

00:35:18.980 that actually open up people

00:35:20.420 to critical thinking

00:35:21.540 to pillars of sovereignty

00:35:22.920 to understanding

00:35:23.860 why the family

00:35:24.540 is so important

00:35:25.360 just like they're doing

00:35:26.620 in Hungary.

00:35:27.220 I want to use Hungary 1.00

00:35:27.980 as an example of this.

00:35:29.080 I think we've already

00:35:29.660 got a very good model

00:35:30.460 to copy

00:35:30.900 because if Viktor Orban

00:35:32.460 lost an election tomorrow

00:35:33.800 it would still be decades

00:35:35.600 before his opponents

00:35:36.540 could properly clear out

00:35:37.560 the institutions.

00:35:38.780 He's done exactly

00:35:39.660 what the left have done

00:35:40.700 in this country

00:35:41.300 and of course Hungary

00:35:41.960 is a much smaller country

00:35:43.220 than the UK or the US

00:35:44.340 in terms of population.

00:35:46.120 But we can start

00:35:47.000 to imitate some of those things

00:35:48.640 and the way we go

00:35:49.220 about business.

00:35:50.200 It's all very well

00:35:50.980 for instance

00:35:51.520 having political action conferences

00:35:53.100 because I'm a big fan

00:35:55.360 of that.

00:35:55.700 I'm helping organize one

00:35:56.500 here in the UK next year.

00:35:57.880 But the key thing

00:35:59.580 is then what do you do

00:36:00.900 with that energy?

00:36:01.780 Where does it go?

00:36:02.940 How do you build

00:36:03.480 new institutions

00:36:04.340 to continue that movement?

00:36:07.860 I don't want to put words

00:36:09.740 into your mouth

00:36:10.380 but would you be looking

00:36:11.520 would you suggest

00:36:12.900 the consideration

00:36:14.080 of an LSE type project

00:36:17.180 but along MAGA lines

00:36:19.120 in the United States

00:36:20.200 to do for the next generation

00:36:22.640 of MAGA culture warriors

00:36:25.140 much what the LSE

00:36:26.960 has been doing

00:36:27.640 in the last 100 years

00:36:28.580 in the UK?

00:36:31.080 I would

00:36:31.760 although I'd say

00:36:32.440 in the US

00:36:33.120 you're kind of a little bit

00:36:34.120 further on than we are.

00:36:35.220 You've got institutions

00:36:36.240 that you can use

00:36:37.500 which were traditionally

00:36:38.240 considered conservative institutions

00:36:39.980 from think tanks

00:36:40.980 like the Heritage

00:36:41.880 all the way through

00:36:43.500 to different university projects

00:36:44.940 that are opening up

00:36:45.920 as we speak

00:36:46.780 around the country

00:36:47.440 which I think

00:36:47.900 are far more traditional values

00:36:49.520 and conservative values

00:36:50.560 perhaps than we do

00:36:51.440 in the UK.

00:36:52.480 You've got to understand

00:36:53.100 that fundamentally

00:36:53.880 the UK has been captured

00:36:55.160 I would say

00:36:55.880 ideologically longer

00:36:57.020 than the US.

00:36:58.280 So we are working

00:36:59.900 from a ground zero here.

00:37:02.140 In the US

00:37:02.760 I think there are institutions

00:37:03.620 you can recapture.

00:37:04.840 I think the problem

00:37:05.640 is that liberalism

00:37:06.720 has corroded the rights

00:37:07.940 so much

00:37:08.560 that we don't really understand

00:37:09.780 our own values

00:37:10.580 and our own traditions

00:37:11.560 in the way

00:37:12.800 that the left does.

00:37:14.200 And so it's all very well

00:37:15.320 talking about woke

00:37:16.440 and pointing fun

00:37:17.640 at people

00:37:18.140 and you know

00:37:19.140 doing all these things

00:37:20.120 that we do so well

00:37:21.220 on the right

00:37:21.700 but what are we actually building?

00:37:23.600 You know

00:37:23.840 what are we actually

00:37:24.960 going out and making?

00:37:26.240 Where are our

00:37:27.000 groundbreaking

00:37:27.740 revolutionary ideas

00:37:30.160 that will change

00:37:31.260 the face of the earth

00:37:32.740 for the next 50 years?

00:37:34.000 Because the leftists

00:37:35.220 have managed to do that.

00:37:36.180 We don't like what they're doing

00:37:37.140 we don't believe it's moral

00:37:38.140 but it's incredibly competent

00:37:39.760 and we have to learn from them.

00:37:41.880 I think you know

00:37:42.380 it's one of my favourite quotes

00:37:43.920 actually from the Bible

00:37:44.760 I'm going to get biblical 0.98

00:37:45.780 because I believe in this

00:37:47.380 so passionately

00:37:48.120 I think you know

00:37:48.800 you've got to be

00:37:49.620 gentle as doves

00:37:50.840 but cunning as serpents

00:37:51.980 and we've been

00:37:53.600 gentle as doves

00:37:54.360 for a long time

00:37:55.020 in the face of adversity

00:37:56.040 but we haven't been

00:37:57.400 cunning as serpents

00:37:58.260 and we have to start 0.98

00:37:59.040 getting our act together

00:38:00.100 on that front.

00:38:01.040 How do we build

00:38:02.020 the next 50 years?

00:38:03.180 Because we should

00:38:03.980 because we know

00:38:05.180 that we're right.

00:38:09.700 Just to close

00:38:10.620 the point about

00:38:11.620 the LSC here

00:38:12.540 and many people

00:38:13.360 I won't realise

00:38:14.200 that it was founded

00:38:15.080 by these radical

00:38:16.400 socialist ideologues

00:38:18.800 but that's really

00:38:20.020 the point isn't it?

00:38:21.080 They'll just think

00:38:21.520 of the London School of Economics

00:38:22.600 as one of the UK's

00:38:23.720 great universities

00:38:24.640 and they won't associate it

00:38:26.380 with a project

00:38:28.520 explicitly created

00:38:30.240 for the propagation

00:38:31.960 of propaganda

00:38:32.820 and I repeat

00:38:33.300 that is the point

00:38:34.240 that is the point

00:38:35.140 of why that is

00:38:36.760 so successful

00:38:37.960 but the two

00:38:39.800 polls

00:38:40.780 I wanted to pull

00:38:41.420 from your essay

00:38:42.080 one of them

00:38:42.680 was on the LSC

00:38:43.420 and I'll just read

00:38:43.940 it out here

00:38:44.420 you say that

00:38:45.100 the LSC

00:38:45.580 was designed

00:38:46.460 to launder

00:38:47.300 radical political goals

00:38:48.880 through the wash

00:38:49.880 of academic rigour

00:38:51.540 transforming partisan

00:38:53.300 objectives

00:38:53.820 into expert

00:38:54.860 social science

00:38:55.880 and I think

00:38:56.140 that's absolutely

00:38:56.820 brilliantly put

00:38:58.120 something else

00:39:01.400 that I want

00:39:02.540 to ask you

00:39:03.040 about

00:39:03.180 I think

00:39:03.820 will be of interest

00:39:04.940 to Americans

00:39:05.540 given the present

00:39:06.620 political debate

00:39:08.840 is that you highlight

00:39:10.260 two areas

00:39:11.440 of government

00:39:12.680 activity here

00:39:14.680 as part of

00:39:16.000 the explicit

00:39:16.920 socialist project

00:39:18.100 of building

00:39:19.020 the welfare

00:39:20.080 the infrastructure

00:39:20.980 the superstructure

00:39:22.080 the scaffolding

00:39:23.300 I think you call it

00:39:24.200 of the welfare state

00:39:26.480 and that's

00:39:27.600 the nationalisation

00:39:28.700 of education

00:39:29.500 and the nationalisation

00:39:31.140 of health

00:39:31.700 for people

00:39:33.760 who aren't

00:39:34.420 that aware

00:39:34.980 about the

00:39:35.880 the national

00:39:36.980 health service

00:39:38.040 the NHS

00:39:38.600 in the UK

00:39:39.480 which really

00:39:40.520 is more

00:39:42.120 of a civic

00:39:42.880 religion

00:39:43.740 for the Brits

00:39:45.280 and the Church

00:39:45.880 of England

00:39:46.220 itself

00:39:47.300 and I just

00:39:49.360 whenever I talk

00:39:50.100 to Americans

00:39:50.980 about the NHS

00:39:51.700 I can't help

00:39:52.640 but think

00:39:52.980 of the opening

00:39:53.880 of the Olympics

00:39:54.660 when London

00:39:56.600 hosted the Olympics

00:39:57.500 which was just

00:39:58.240 cringeworthily

00:39:59.920 embarrassing

00:40:00.400 it was

00:40:01.820 worship

00:40:02.820 and adoration

00:40:03.680 it was

00:40:04.060 of the cult

00:40:04.900 of the NHS

00:40:05.600 but just say

00:40:06.420 something about

00:40:07.120 that

00:40:07.500 if you wouldn't

00:40:08.900 mind

00:40:09.120 about the NHS

00:40:09.840 and why

00:40:11.300 it is so

00:40:12.540 essential

00:40:13.140 as part

00:40:14.140 of the

00:40:15.040 establishment's

00:40:16.280 plot

00:40:16.720 to destroy

00:40:18.280 the freedom

00:40:19.200 and free choice

00:40:20.220 of the average Brit

00:40:21.760 well I think

00:40:23.140 the best way

00:40:23.740 I can describe

00:40:24.480 this is

00:40:25.540 with an anecdote

00:40:26.300 so there's

00:40:26.860 a very famous

00:40:27.540 poster from

00:40:28.600 World War

00:40:29.340 2 I believe

00:40:30.440 which has

00:40:31.360 a gentleman

00:40:31.900 with very

00:40:32.920 interesting facial

00:40:33.680 hair pointing

00:40:34.360 saying your

00:40:35.060 country needs

00:40:35.860 you

00:40:36.080 and it was

00:40:36.700 very effective

00:40:37.380 propaganda

00:40:38.000 because it

00:40:38.500 made people

00:40:39.060 feel that

00:40:39.560 if they didn't

00:40:39.980 go and fight

00:40:40.540 for their

00:40:40.880 country

00:40:41.340 then they

00:40:41.840 were somehow

00:40:43.340 treacherous

00:40:44.920 to the cause

00:40:45.520 and the NHS

00:40:46.900 since the

00:40:47.740 wartime

00:40:48.300 has basically

00:40:48.860 become a

00:40:49.240 replacement of

00:40:50.020 that

00:40:50.180 it's a

00:40:50.860 left wing

00:40:51.480 idea

00:40:51.880 you all

00:40:52.320 pay taxes

00:40:53.000 into the

00:40:53.480 system

00:40:53.840 and people

00:40:54.740 get largely

00:40:55.540 free healthcare

00:40:56.360 as a result

00:40:57.060 it's not

00:40:57.460 actually that

00:40:58.000 bad of an

00:40:58.520 idea

00:40:58.960 because it

00:40:59.920 does work

00:41:00.480 in some

00:41:00.840 areas

00:41:01.140 I'm not

00:41:01.460 going to

00:41:01.780 entirely

00:41:02.260 slate it

00:41:03.000 as an

00:41:03.260 idea

00:41:03.600 it certainly

00:41:05.200 helps some

00:41:05.980 people who

00:41:06.520 are lower

00:41:06.800 down in

00:41:07.280 society

00:41:07.660 to get

00:41:08.700 access to

00:41:09.240 healthcare

00:41:09.640 or doctor's

00:41:10.360 appointments

00:41:10.680 so there

00:41:11.800 are elements

00:41:12.340 of the NHS

00:41:12.940 which are

00:41:13.620 completely

00:41:14.380 docile

00:41:15.440 and perhaps

00:41:16.480 actually valuable

00:41:17.400 however where

00:41:19.460 it gets

00:41:19.820 tricky is when

00:41:20.580 it becomes

00:41:21.020 nationalised

00:41:21.840 to the point

00:41:22.400 of worship

00:41:23.100 which is what

00:41:23.700 you're talking

00:41:24.240 about

00:41:24.620 it is

00:41:25.900 an incredibly

00:41:26.720 large organisation

00:41:27.880 I mean

00:41:28.800 quite literally

00:41:29.720 you know

00:41:30.200 a large

00:41:30.880 percentage

00:41:31.440 of our

00:41:32.360 population

00:41:32.880 have jobs

00:41:34.780 in the civil

00:41:35.660 service of

00:41:36.240 one kind

00:41:36.620 or another

00:41:36.880 and a big

00:41:37.320 proportion of

00:41:38.000 that is made

00:41:38.460 up from the

00:41:38.840 NHS

00:41:39.160 so yeah

00:41:41.400 that is

00:41:42.220 basically what

00:41:42.760 we're talking

00:41:43.100 about

00:41:43.380 the NHS

00:41:44.940 is the

00:41:45.940 largest

00:41:46.320 employer

00:41:47.080 in the

00:41:48.080 United

00:41:48.300 Kingdom

00:41:48.660 yeah it

00:41:49.660 is it

00:41:50.040 is it's

00:41:50.500 the largest

00:41:50.920 employer

00:41:51.300 within the

00:41:51.900 subset of

00:41:52.380 the civil

00:41:52.740 service

00:41:53.260 or you

00:41:53.960 know

00:41:54.080 the public

00:41:55.080 services

00:41:55.680 it is a

00:41:57.160 behemoth

00:41:57.700 it spends

00:41:58.620 more money

00:41:59.380 in seconds

00:42:00.860 than entire

00:42:01.700 international

00:42:02.200 space programmes

00:42:03.120 spend around

00:42:03.740 the world

00:42:04.180 in a year

00:42:04.740 I mean

00:42:05.180 the scale

00:42:06.180 of this

00:42:06.520 operation

00:42:06.980 is really

00:42:07.460 something to

00:42:07.860 behold

00:42:08.260 and yet

00:42:09.160 we're falling

00:42:09.740 away

00:42:10.120 and I think

00:42:10.420 this is why

00:42:10.820 it's important

00:42:11.300 we're falling

00:42:11.860 away in terms

00:42:12.860 of the quality

00:42:13.480 of healthcare

00:42:14.020 that we provide

00:42:14.900 to the point

00:42:15.400 where people

00:42:15.800 are genuinely

00:42:16.300 beginning to

00:42:16.860 question it

00:42:17.440 because of

00:42:18.640 course

00:42:18.940 what's really

00:42:19.580 happening

00:42:20.000 is that

00:42:20.400 they're

00:42:20.640 siphoning

00:42:21.300 agendas

00:42:22.360 through this

00:42:23.360 system

00:42:23.800 supposedly

00:42:24.420 it's for

00:42:25.060 medicine

00:42:25.600 in reality

00:42:26.700 it's like

00:42:27.180 a giant

00:42:27.580 planned

00:42:27.940 parenthood

00:42:28.480 in some

00:42:28.880 ways

00:42:29.120 it pushes

00:42:29.580 all kinds

00:42:30.120 of stuff

00:42:30.540 from

00:42:30.740 transgenderism

00:42:31.480 to abortion

00:42:32.060 I mean

00:42:33.060 it is very

00:42:33.640 much a

00:42:34.160 branch

00:42:34.420 of the

00:42:34.720 state

00:42:35.080 and of

00:42:36.220 course

00:42:36.460 because it's

00:42:37.000 run as a

00:42:37.420 propaganda

00:42:37.720 branch

00:42:38.300 as well

00:42:38.680 as a

00:42:38.960 medical

00:42:39.200 branch

00:42:39.740 it slowly

00:42:40.360 becomes

00:42:40.840 awful

00:42:41.360 and the

00:42:41.960 last time

00:42:42.400 it was

00:42:42.580 independently

00:42:43.080 reviewed

00:42:43.520 to give

00:42:43.920 you some

00:42:44.240 example

00:42:44.720 was in

00:42:45.120 the 1980s

00:42:46.100 the Tories

00:42:47.000 started trying

00:42:47.660 to attempt

00:42:48.180 to review

00:42:48.760 it but they

00:42:49.280 just couldn't

00:42:49.780 because the

00:42:50.180 scale of the

00:42:50.660 thing is so

00:42:51.160 large

00:42:51.660 so to

00:42:52.600 really

00:42:52.880 understand

00:42:53.660 the

00:42:54.220 Fabians 0.99

00:42:54.740 you have

00:42:55.200 to look

00:42:55.460 at what

00:42:55.660 they did

00:42:56.040 and this

00:42:56.300 goes back

00:42:56.780 to my

00:42:57.040 point about

00:42:57.540 MAGA

00:42:57.860 back to

00:42:58.320 my point

00:42:58.660 about

00:42:58.860 Reform UK

00:42:59.420 and their

00:42:59.980 movement

00:43:00.280 here in

00:43:00.640 the UK

00:43:01.080 reforming

00:43:02.680 governments

00:43:03.280 who get

00:43:03.860 into power

00:43:04.460 have to

00:43:04.960 build

00:43:05.160 credible

00:43:05.520 institutions

00:43:06.160 I think

00:43:06.980 the NHS

00:43:07.360 is so

00:43:07.920 large

00:43:08.420 I don't

00:43:08.740 think we

00:43:09.020 could tear

00:43:09.360 it down

00:43:09.660 and start

00:43:10.060 again

00:43:10.380 there would

00:43:10.660 be too

00:43:10.980 much

00:43:11.180 public

00:43:11.520 outcry

00:43:13.000 over it

00:43:13.420 but you

00:43:14.400 can refine

00:43:15.420 elements of

00:43:16.000 the system

00:43:16.480 and you

00:43:16.880 have to

00:43:17.220 privatise

00:43:17.860 certain areas

00:43:18.740 of the

00:43:19.080 system

00:43:19.420 in my

00:43:19.760 opinion

00:43:20.080 you also

00:43:21.660 to allow

00:43:22.160 people to

00:43:22.700 pay in

00:43:24.060 if they

00:43:24.360 want to

00:43:24.960 because some

00:43:25.440 people don't

00:43:26.000 want to pay

00:43:26.380 into this

00:43:26.760 system

00:43:27.160 it's almost

00:43:27.880 like being

00:43:28.320 forced to

00:43:29.060 pay into

00:43:29.500 the education

00:43:30.220 system

00:43:30.800 and then

00:43:31.160 getting told

00:43:31.680 that your

00:43:32.120 kid is

00:43:32.720 being taught 0.65

00:43:33.200 transgender

00:43:33.760 propaganda

00:43:34.180 at school

00:43:34.900 this is a

00:43:35.600 very similar

00:43:36.160 concept we're

00:43:36.860 dealing with

00:43:37.380 it's a

00:43:38.020 brainwashing

00:43:38.820 arm of

00:43:39.560 the state

00:43:40.140 and I think

00:43:40.760 the only

00:43:41.000 similar thing

00:43:41.540 you have

00:43:41.840 in the US

00:43:42.240 is probably

00:43:42.540 Planned Parenthood

00:43:43.320 on the

00:43:43.600 medical front

00:43:44.220 so I want

00:43:45.440 to give

00:43:45.880 that as an

00:43:46.320 example

00:43:46.760 I'm going

00:43:49.640 to come

00:43:49.860 back to the

00:43:50.560 point about

00:43:50.920 the NHS

00:43:51.360 because there's

00:43:52.080 this movement

00:43:53.580 in the United

00:43:54.840 States to

00:43:55.960 abolish private

00:43:56.700 healthcare and

00:43:57.560 just nationalise

00:43:58.660 do a federal

00:44:00.400 grab

00:44:00.900 federal government

00:44:01.880 grab on the

00:44:02.600 whole of

00:44:02.980 healthcare

00:44:03.340 provision

00:44:04.060 by the way

00:44:04.900 before we move

00:44:05.520 on and I'll

00:44:06.260 check this

00:44:06.720 after the show

00:44:07.520 but I think

00:44:08.580 it's Lord

00:44:08.940 Kitchener

00:44:09.460 wasn't it

00:44:10.340 your country

00:44:12.480 needs you

00:44:13.860 that's right

00:44:15.120 it's now a

00:44:16.000 meme

00:44:16.240 it was a

00:44:18.860 meme before

00:44:20.540 memes existed

00:44:21.340 let's just

00:44:21.980 do a quick

00:44:22.500 recall

00:44:23.060 give me two

00:44:23.660 minutes to

00:44:24.120 do a quick

00:44:24.500 recall

00:44:24.920 of Birch

00:44:25.980 Gold

00:44:26.220 and I'll

00:44:26.920 come back

00:44:27.280 to you on

00:44:27.560 the NHS

00:44:28.120 point

00:44:28.580 so as I was

00:44:30.900 saying in the

00:44:31.360 first half of

00:44:32.180 the show

00:44:32.460 until September

00:44:33.680 the 30th

00:44:34.400 if you're a

00:44:35.100 first time

00:44:35.680 gold buyer

00:44:36.320 Birch Gold

00:44:36.960 is offering

00:44:37.660 a rebate

00:44:38.680 of up to

00:44:39.080 $10,000

00:44:39.700 in free

00:44:40.820 metals on

00:44:41.480 qualifying

00:44:42.020 purchases

00:44:42.540 and to

00:44:43.780 claim

00:44:44.140 eligibility

00:44:44.740 and start

00:44:45.480 this process

00:44:46.200 you need to

00:44:47.480 request this

00:44:48.820 info kit

00:44:49.580 now by

00:44:50.380 texting

00:44:50.920 Bannon

00:44:51.360 to 98

00:44:52.080 98

00:44:52.940 98

00:44:53.820 and if you

00:44:54.860 do that

00:44:55.180 Birch Gold

00:44:55.740 will also

00:44:56.320 help you

00:44:57.020 roll any

00:44:57.860 existing IRA

00:44:59.100 or 401k

00:45:00.060 into an

00:45:01.000 IRA in 0.74

00:45:01.700 gold

00:45:01.980 and you're

00:45:02.880 still eligible

00:45:03.660 for that

00:45:04.340 rebate

00:45:04.900 in free

00:45:05.640 metals

00:45:06.040 of up to

00:45:06.540 $10,000

00:45:07.400 folks

00:45:08.040 so right

00:45:09.200 now

00:45:09.500 make it

00:45:09.880 right now

00:45:10.380 it's your

00:45:11.400 first time

00:45:12.080 to buy

00:45:12.700 gold

00:45:13.080 and take

00:45:13.920 advantage

00:45:14.360 of this

00:45:14.880 $10,000

00:45:16.320 rebate

00:45:17.240 when you

00:45:17.800 buy

00:45:18.140 before

00:45:19.000 September

00:45:19.500 the 30th

00:45:20.420 text

00:45:20.880 Bannon

00:45:21.500 to 98

00:45:22.220 98

00:45:22.800 98

00:45:23.140 to claim

00:45:24.900 your

00:45:25.180 eligibility

00:45:25.960 and get

00:45:26.780 your free

00:45:27.460 info kit

00:45:28.520 text Bannon

00:45:29.380 to 98

00:45:30.360 98

00:45:31.000 98

00:45:31.380 and Philip

00:45:32.020 Patrick

00:45:32.480 is waiting

00:45:33.080 for your

00:45:33.600 call

00:45:34.140 okay

00:45:34.920 so Joseph

00:45:36.440 just back

00:45:37.300 to the

00:45:37.780 NHS

00:45:38.660 back to

00:45:39.200 the

00:45:39.580 designs

00:45:40.580 of the

00:45:41.280 United

00:45:41.500 States

00:45:41.800 it's the

00:45:42.340 same

00:45:42.560 goal

00:45:42.860 right

00:45:43.100 isn't

00:45:43.340 it

00:45:43.560 it's

00:45:44.040 it's

00:45:44.320 to

00:45:44.460 capture

00:45:45.300 the

00:45:45.500 people

00:45:46.000 and provide

00:45:48.200 something

00:45:48.620 which is

00:45:48.980 absolutely

00:45:49.340 essential

00:45:49.840 which is

00:45:50.960 healthcare

00:45:51.500 whether you

00:45:52.440 provide it

00:45:52.840 publicly or

00:45:53.300 privately

00:45:53.640 it is

00:45:54.160 absolutely

00:45:54.480 essential

00:45:54.900 but making

00:45:56.180 it state

00:45:56.840 provided

00:45:57.400 you bind

00:45:58.460 people in

00:45:59.360 into dependency

00:46:00.340 onto the

00:46:01.340 state

00:46:01.700 you mentioned

00:46:03.840 in the

00:46:04.280 first half

00:46:05.060 of the

00:46:05.260 show

00:46:05.420 about

00:46:05.640 Liz

00:46:05.920 Trust

00:46:06.360 here's

00:46:06.860 my

00:46:06.980 question

00:46:07.400 to

00:46:07.720 you

00:46:08.040 if we're

00:46:08.660 really

00:46:08.960 what the

00:46:09.460 whole theme

00:46:09.920 of this

00:46:10.340 this is

00:46:11.020 the reason

00:46:11.340 we're talking

00:46:11.680 about the

00:46:11.940 Fabians 0.99

00:46:12.480 and their

00:46:13.660 success

00:46:14.140 is to try

00:46:14.900 and conceptually

00:46:16.060 equip people

00:46:17.240 on both sides

00:46:17.860 of the

00:46:18.080 Atlantic

00:46:18.340 to taking

00:46:19.220 their

00:46:19.740 countries

00:46:20.520 back

00:46:20.980 and have

00:46:21.280 the state

00:46:21.640 work for

00:46:22.120 them

00:46:22.360 rather than

00:46:22.780 the people

00:46:23.200 who are

00:46:23.740 profiting

00:46:24.140 out of it

00:46:24.760 Liz Trust

00:46:26.120 seeing as

00:46:26.540 you mentioned

00:46:27.200 her

00:46:27.580 perhaps one

00:46:30.940 of her

00:46:31.300 mistakes

00:46:31.740 that she

00:46:32.080 didn't do

00:46:32.720 what Margaret

00:46:33.220 Thatcher

00:46:33.640 assiduously

00:46:34.460 did

00:46:34.980 which was

00:46:35.700 create

00:46:36.340 the popular

00:46:37.240 mandate

00:46:37.900 for the

00:46:38.500 reforms

00:46:39.280 of trying

00:46:41.660 to roll

00:46:42.060 back the

00:46:42.520 state

00:46:42.940 and in

00:46:43.940 fact

00:46:44.320 I think

00:46:44.680 one of

00:46:44.940 the reasons

00:46:45.740 that for

00:46:46.840 me

00:46:47.280 Liz Trust

00:46:48.620 came a

00:46:49.840 cropper

00:46:50.180 is that

00:46:51.280 tax cuts

00:46:52.120 are great

00:46:52.500 but there

00:46:53.240 was no

00:46:53.660 real

00:46:54.060 the scalpel

00:46:55.340 wasn't being

00:46:56.060 wielded

00:46:57.240 with regards

00:46:57.900 to public

00:46:58.420 expenditure

00:46:59.140 so in

00:47:00.160 terms of

00:47:00.640 revolutionary

00:47:01.280 movements

00:47:01.740 on our

00:47:02.460 side

00:47:02.960 that's

00:47:03.800 really

00:47:04.040 I think

00:47:04.440 what needs

00:47:04.720 to happen

00:47:05.100 moving forward

00:47:05.720 right

00:47:05.880 you need

00:47:06.260 to do

00:47:06.460 what Trump

00:47:07.000 has done

00:47:07.480 and that

00:47:08.460 is take

00:47:09.120 the country

00:47:09.820 with you

00:47:10.360 because a

00:47:11.080 president

00:47:12.000 or a

00:47:12.440 leader

00:47:12.680 political

00:47:13.020 leader

00:47:13.260 who has

00:47:13.840 a populist

00:47:14.840 nationalist

00:47:15.240 mandate

00:47:15.880 from the

00:47:16.420 people

00:47:16.680 a very

00:47:17.040 clear one

00:47:18.020 should be

00:47:19.820 able to

00:47:20.120 wield that

00:47:20.560 scalpel

00:47:21.080 in a way

00:47:21.460 that Liz

00:47:21.940 trust

00:47:22.260 never

00:47:22.720 was able

00:47:24.500 to do

00:47:24.900 what would

00:47:25.460 you say

00:47:25.700 to that

00:47:26.040 so I

00:47:27.280 think there's

00:47:27.660 a very

00:47:27.920 striking

00:47:28.360 parallel

00:47:28.860 to be

00:47:29.180 made

00:47:29.440 here

00:47:29.740 I think

00:47:31.060 if you

00:47:31.720 know Liz 0.86

00:47:32.520 and you

00:47:33.140 listen to

00:47:33.540 what she

00:47:33.840 has to

00:47:34.240 say

00:47:34.540 you would

00:47:34.960 hear strong

00:47:35.580 parallels

00:47:36.100 with Trump

00:47:36.820 and with

00:47:38.420 what Trump

00:47:39.000 tried to do

00:47:39.540 in his

00:47:39.820 first term

00:47:40.600 and this

00:47:40.960 is a really

00:47:41.360 important point

00:47:42.140 because

00:47:42.640 although Trump

00:47:44.140 won so

00:47:45.300 effectively

00:47:46.900 in 2016

00:47:48.580 his first

00:47:50.280 term was

00:47:50.960 of course

00:47:51.440 hampered

00:47:51.980 by a

00:47:52.480 number of

00:47:52.800 different

00:47:53.040 actors

00:47:53.480 mainly the

00:47:54.320 deep state

00:47:54.940 mainly not

00:47:55.720 understanding

00:47:56.540 some of

00:47:57.040 those people

00:47:57.500 that he

00:47:57.840 encountered

00:47:58.380 in that

00:47:58.780 first time

00:47:59.300 in power

00:47:59.760 and what

00:48:00.460 they were

00:48:00.740 really there

00:48:01.220 to do

00:48:01.640 which is

00:48:01.980 of course

00:48:02.320 contain him

00:48:03.080 because he

00:48:03.500 had a

00:48:03.700 radical agenda

00:48:04.480 that they

00:48:05.240 didn't like

00:48:05.920 and that's

00:48:07.000 exactly what

00:48:07.500 happened to

00:48:08.020 Liz

00:48:08.260 she went

00:48:08.720 in without

00:48:09.240 pre-planning

00:48:09.980 without experience

00:48:10.680 being prime

00:48:11.200 minister

00:48:11.560 although she

00:48:12.300 was a far

00:48:12.840 more experienced

00:48:13.500 minister

00:48:13.960 and had

00:48:14.900 experience of

00:48:15.500 government

00:48:15.780 which is

00:48:16.060 something

00:48:16.260 Trump

00:48:16.520 didn't

00:48:16.780 have

00:48:17.000 she

00:48:17.160 didn't

00:48:17.360 really

00:48:17.540 understand

00:48:17.920 how it

00:48:18.360 worked

00:48:18.700 from the

00:48:19.000 inside

00:48:19.480 because no

00:48:20.020 one does

00:48:20.440 until you're

00:48:20.900 sitting in

00:48:21.300 number 10

00:48:21.820 or in the

00:48:22.740 equivalents in

00:48:23.380 the Oval Office

00:48:23.980 you just don't

00:48:24.780 know what that's

00:48:25.580 like until you're

00:48:26.320 there and so

00:48:27.640 she saw it from

00:48:28.540 the inside and

00:48:29.400 effectively she had

00:48:30.280 a gun put to 0.81

00:48:31.060 her head which 1.00

00:48:31.760 was if you

00:48:32.740 continue down

00:48:33.660 your policy

00:48:34.280 pathway we will 0.99

00:48:35.620 blow up your 0.92

00:48:36.260 economy and that

00:48:37.780 came from the

00:48:38.560 central banks that

00:48:39.700 came from the

00:48:40.560 Bank of England

00:48:41.160 it came from

00:48:42.220 various different

00:48:43.460 quangos that

00:48:44.420 the government

00:48:44.880 outsources

00:48:45.500 its statistics

00:48:46.300 and economics

00:48:47.020 to and she

00:48:48.260 quickly realised

00:48:49.220 that this was

00:48:49.820 far far bigger

00:48:51.120 than what she

00:48:51.860 had realised

00:48:52.580 was wrong

00:48:53.200 up to that

00:48:54.860 point now

00:48:55.860 what I'm

00:48:56.320 hopeful of

00:48:56.880 in this

00:48:57.240 country is

00:48:58.340 that Farage

00:48:59.260 should he

00:49:00.100 win will be

00:49:00.980 Trump 2

00:49:01.700 and not

00:49:02.240 Trump 1

00:49:02.980 because that's

00:49:03.820 what we're

00:49:04.200 trying to

00:49:04.660 build here

00:49:05.180 that's our

00:49:05.840 project that's

00:49:06.720 what we are

00:49:07.260 going to do

00:49:07.840 if he gets

00:49:08.380 in we're

00:49:08.820 going to give

00:49:09.360 him everything

00:49:10.480 we know and

00:49:11.400 what we've

00:49:11.800 studied and

00:49:12.440 what we've

00:49:12.860 seen from

00:49:13.500 previous

00:49:14.280 administrations

00:49:15.020 that tried

00:49:15.500 different things

00:49:16.380 including

00:49:17.000 Thatcher's

00:49:17.520 administration

00:49:18.060 which by the

00:49:18.900 way created

00:49:19.580 some of the

00:49:20.060 quangos that

00:49:20.840 we now see

00:49:21.420 today because

00:49:22.480 it thought that

00:49:23.080 it would be

00:49:23.400 good to

00:49:23.960 actually outsource

00:49:24.740 elements of

00:49:25.360 government outside

00:49:26.280 this central hub

00:49:27.340 those got captured

00:49:28.380 by the left and

00:49:29.160 now they're just

00:49:29.720 another problem

00:49:30.380 so what you've

00:49:31.400 got to be careful

00:49:32.120 of in the MAGA

00:49:32.960 movement is not

00:49:33.880 creating too much

00:49:35.460 not creating too

00:49:36.560 many new laws

00:49:37.980 too many different

00:49:39.080 departments that do

00:49:40.040 new and supposedly

00:49:41.080 wonderful things

00:49:41.960 because what the

00:49:42.560 left does best

00:49:43.300 is capture

00:49:44.140 things strip

00:49:45.380 back pair

00:49:46.100 back get what

00:49:46.920 you need in

00:49:47.560 place make sure

00:49:48.260 you've got

00:49:48.500 control of the

00:49:49.180 Fed make sure

00:49:50.320 that you're

00:49:50.760 actually in

00:49:51.560 control of

00:49:52.140 where the

00:49:52.440 money is and

00:49:53.440 who's really

00:49:54.080 pulling the

00:49:54.640 strings because

00:49:55.280 that is the

00:49:56.060 key part to

00:49:56.800 all of this

00:49:57.320 so look 60

00:49:59.380 seconds would it

00:50:01.540 be fair to

00:50:02.120 synthesize what

00:50:02.900 you're saying

00:50:03.260 if people read

00:50:04.060 your article

00:50:04.520 they get to

00:50:04.980 your sub stack

00:50:05.600 they read your

00:50:06.220 analysis here on

00:50:07.000 the rise of

00:50:08.100 the Fabians

00:50:09.020 your conclusion

00:50:11.820 therefore is that

00:50:12.540 the Tory party is

00:50:13.300 no longer fit for

00:50:14.180 purpose and the

00:50:15.400 next political

00:50:16.040 movement to

00:50:16.720 carry this forward

00:50:17.380 is Nigel Farage

00:50:18.800 and reform right

00:50:19.780 that is where

00:50:21.280 you're coming from

00:50:21.820 it's the only

00:50:23.180 possible solution

00:50:24.320 because we right

00:50:25.480 now in this

00:50:25.960 country have a

00:50:26.660 uni party status

00:50:27.720 which means that

00:50:28.560 even if let's

00:50:29.900 say in a

00:50:30.460 parallel universe

00:50:31.300 Nigel Farage

00:50:32.200 became leader of

00:50:33.600 the Tory party

00:50:34.300 which he would

00:50:34.760 never do at this

00:50:35.500 point in time

00:50:36.200 he wouldn't be

00:50:37.780 able to do

00:50:38.240 anything he

00:50:38.700 wouldn't be able

00:50:39.040 to enact

00:50:39.520 because that

00:50:40.100 party has

00:50:40.800 aligned its

00:50:41.280 constitution with

00:50:42.160 the establishment

00:50:42.780 when you are in

00:50:44.140 power it does

00:50:44.800 not enable you to

00:50:45.760 act because of

00:50:46.520 the way that it

00:50:47.560 works it contains

00:50:48.780 you it prevents

00:50:49.580 you from doing

00:50:50.280 radical things

00:50:51.160 in this case

00:50:52.080 radical things

00:50:53.160 radical change

00:50:54.080 is simply going

00:50:54.760 back in time

00:50:55.600 to a period

00:50:56.160 where legislation

00:50:56.860 didn't hamper

00:50:57.660 us and we

00:50:58.440 were a free

00:50:58.920 and prosperous

00:50:59.400 country and I

00:51:00.280 think that's where

00:51:00.780 the US is trying

00:51:01.500 to get back to

00:51:02.100 as well

00:51:02.600 lawyers are your

00:51:04.460 best friend at

00:51:05.140 times and your

00:51:05.740 worst friend at

00:51:07.080 other times and

00:51:08.320 and you've got to

00:51:09.020 be careful with

00:51:09.780 what you do with

00:51:10.340 lawyers are our worst

00:51:12.540 friends at all

00:51:13.580 times

00:51:14.140 you're poking at a

00:51:20.560 raw wound

00:51:21.360 Joseph Robertson

00:51:22.840 where do people go

00:51:23.600 to get you on your

00:51:24.760 superb writings on

00:51:26.740 Substack

00:51:27.220 thank you very much

00:51:28.660 so on Substack and

00:51:30.100 on Axe you can find

00:51:31.080 me at jrtypes and

00:51:33.240 pretty much all my

00:51:34.200 stuff is linked back

00:51:35.120 on both sides of

00:51:36.360 that spectrum so

00:51:37.120 please do go read

00:51:38.040 give me a follow

00:51:38.660 on x and I will

00:51:40.420 be pouring as

00:51:41.040 much content out

00:51:41.820 as possible over

00:51:42.460 the next few

00:51:42.900 weeks

00:51:43.200 and my favorite

00:51:45.560 phrase in your

00:51:46.240 article is that you

00:51:46.880 call the UK

00:51:47.580 constitution a sacred

00:51:49.640 inheritance indeed it

00:51:50.820 is to my fellow

00:51:51.680 traditionalist Catholic

00:51:53.240 thanks very much for

00:51:54.260 coming on the show

00:51:54.900 Joseph Robertson my

00:51:56.100 thanks to Cameron

00:51:57.080 Wallace and Spencer

00:51:58.440 and all the team at

00:51:59.340 Real America's Voice

00:52:00.580 for putting this show

00:52:01.400 together God bless

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00:52:05.160 but after four years of

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00:52:12.500 you're still drowning

00:52:13.440 in credit card debt

00:52:14.680 and overdue bills

00:52:15.760 you need done with

00:52:18.420 debt and here's why

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Bannon's War Room - September 04, 2025

WarRoom Battleground EP 843： UK Analyst Joseph Robertson Shines Light On The Most Powerful Socialist Org You’ve Never Heard Of

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