In this episode, I speak to Gonzalo MartÃn, who is the Vice President of Democractica Nacional, National Democraticism, about the recent attack on a 14-year-old girl in the city of Madrid.
00:01:20.000Well, that's also the case in Spain and specifically in, I think in Madrid and Barcelona have had a number of anti-migrant protests.
00:01:29.000And recently there was this specific case in, you know, just outside of Madrid, where a guy of Moroccan extraction raped a young girl accused of raping a young girl.
00:01:53.000And that kicked off a particularly aggressive protest around the first reception centre.
00:02:02.000Now, with me to break this down and to describe some of the local sentiment is someone I met about six months ago in Rome at a Forza Nuova conference.
00:02:14.000So, Gonzalo MartÃn, who is vice president of Democracia Nacional, national democracy.
00:02:40.000In Spain, we have many centres for immigrants, minors and a companion that they are usually the outsides of the big cities in the proletarian neighbourhoods.
00:02:53.000And in this case, in Hortaleza, it's a neighbourhood of Madrid, not in the centre, it's a little bit far away from the centre.
00:03:00.000And since many months, we were accusing the government of Madrid and the government of Spain to bring all these immigrants that they don't want to adapt and they don't want to integrate in Spain.
00:03:12.000They're supposed to be minors, but we are not sure if they are minors because when they enter Spain, they break the passport and we never know the real age of them.
00:03:21.000And when the doctors come to make some DNA tests to verify if they are minors or not, sometimes it's difficult to know because there is a gap of two years and most part of times they are not even minors.
00:03:33.000So in this case, these people with our money, with the money of our taxes, they are living from us and they have this kind of summer camp holidays in these centres, in this case in Madrid, and they are free during the day.
00:03:50.000And of course, they are around the neighbourhood, stealing, they are harassing people. And in this particular case, there was this migrant, 17 years old, raping a Spanish girl, 14 years old.
00:04:06.000And this is not the first time something like this is happening. It's happening more often than the journalists say, of course, because they don't want to make publicity out of this.
00:04:17.000But it's something that is happening continuously in all these immigrant centres, because these people, as I said, they are the worst of those countries, and they don't have any kind of respect for Spanish people, and of course, neither for the Spanish women.
00:04:36.000So this has been used by the extreme left to accuse the neighbours of the neighbourhood of Fortaleza of being racist because they were protesting, because they want to be living in the neighbourhood like always, a really relaxed neighbourhood, without problems where you can walk your dog, going with your family to the park.
00:04:59.000But nowadays, it's impossible, due to all these immigrants, that they are harassing and attacking local people.
00:05:06.000Not only young girls, also old people stealing from them, the necklace, bracelets, watches, everything.
00:05:13.000So in this case, it became more popular, this incident, due to the fact that they are accusing two guys, that they were with a mask, of attacking another three immigrants after what happened to this Spanish girl.
00:05:31.000But they never talk about all these times, all the problems that we are having with them, and all the women that have been raped and harassed.
00:05:42.000And they are, of course, never in public TV talking about this, because they are afraid that people wake up, and that there is a kind of riot against all this migrant policy from the Spanish government.
00:05:54.920Okay, Gonzalo, let me ask you this, because frequently on the war room, one of the points that we make, that we repeatedly make, is that it's really the centre-right political party that is responsible historically for a lot of what's, the huge influxes of migration.
00:06:18.760What has been, and we often say, like, for example, in the Spanish context, really, that the popular party isn't a centre-right political party whatsoever.
00:06:31.960And this is the same, like, the mainstream Republicans in America, or the Tories in the UK.
00:06:38.440They're really sort of, it's just basically that these are vehicles and instruments that have been hijacked by globalist elites.
00:07:00.980Tell me what the response has been, because you have the socialists on the left, who are in control at the moment, and they're obviously panicking.
00:07:09.460You know that they're panicking, because as we go on into the conversation discussing about this, the judiciary is clamping down on the popular protests, saying that they're sparking anti-immigrant sentiment, as if that sentiment didn't actually exist anyway.
00:07:24.720Tell me, however, I want the audience to hear you, in your words, describe the real difference on the right of the political spectrum,
00:07:40.060Because both of you, both you and Vox, have been suppressed in your ability to organise protests.
00:07:47.260But tell me, I really just want to drill down on the thing here, about the centre-right.
00:07:53.540Tell me about the popular party, and what its position has been in the face of these protests.
00:08:00.660Well, the popular party, they are, of course, Spain is almost a federal state.
00:08:08.760So, we have like 17 states inside of this, what they call autonomous community, and Madrid is one of them.
00:08:15.960So, it's like an independent state inside of the Spanish state.
00:08:20.340So, the government of Madrid is right-wing, the popular party, and the general government of Spain is socialist.
00:08:27.680So, they have this war. They use immigration to attack each other.
00:08:31.260So, what the Socialist Party is doing is now taking these minor, these immigrants, especially from Canary Island,
00:08:38.200and they distribute them in Spain through communities.
00:08:42.820But, of course, they always take more immigrants to the communities where the Socialist Party is not in power.
00:08:48.760So, in this case, they bring more to Madrid than, for example, to Catalonia, because in Catalonia are the socialists in power.
00:08:55.960So, they use it as a weapon against them, because, of course, they know that nobody wants to have the immigrants,
00:09:01.680and nobody wants that these minors, or that they are not even minors, coming to the neighbourhood and doing what they do.
00:09:07.240Nobody wants them. So, the Popular Party, what they do is to say that they don't have enough money to provide to these immigrants a good life,
00:09:17.160that they will need more money from the central government, but, of course, they don't receive it because they are political rivals.
00:09:23.080And they only use this speech against the central government about money, about the conditions of these centres for immigrants,
00:09:32.820and they don't talk about the root of the problem, that is immigration.
00:09:35.640And I want to give an important point about all this immigration history in Spain.
00:09:44.980The Socialist Party was in the Spanish ruling in Spain until 1996.
00:09:53.240Since Franco's death, we had mostly only Socialist governments until 1996.
00:09:58.660In 1995, one year before the Popular Party ruled Spain, during eight years, consecutive eight years,
00:10:07.080in Spain we had half a million immigrants.
00:10:10.260In 2005, the Popular Party was already in power for seven years,
00:10:19.540sorry, no, they were in power for ten years,
00:10:22.260because we had in Spain, we passed from half a million immigrants to five million immigrants.
00:17:34.880And talking about native Spanish people.
00:17:36.840So all the growth of population in Spain in the last 30 years, if we were 39 million people in 1995, and now we are officially 48, all the growth is 100% from immigration.
00:17:49.040So it's not only 9 million more people living in Spain.
00:17:55.800By taking into account that there are more people dying than getting born in Spain, we were calculating more as the real population, the real figures of the immigrant population in Spain.
00:18:08.000And we can say that maybe from these 48 million people living in Spain, 14 are already immigrants.
00:18:15.160Because we have also the problem that with the Spanish constitution in the hands, it's written in the Spanish constitution that all the people coming from countries that used to belong part of the Spanish empire,
00:18:29.000So all America, some countries in Africa, the Philippines, when they come to Spain and they stay legally two years, after two years, they can already start the procedure to become Spanish, to have the Spanish nationality.
00:18:45.100So after three years in Spain, they are already Spanish like me officially.
00:18:48.660And these people disappear from the statistics, from everything.
00:18:50.960So when they say that one Spanish guy was raping a woman, probably he was not Spanish.
00:18:59.940So with this constitution we have in Spain, it's very difficult to know who is Spanish and who is not.
00:19:06.300The only statistic that you can find that is talking about the region of the people living in Spain, because in Spain it's forbidden to make statistics according to the race, it's totally forbidden.
00:19:18.840The only statistic that you can find on Google is that in Spain there are around 9 million and a half people that were not born in Spain.
00:19:28.140So 9 million and a half were not born in Spain, it means that they are immigrants.
00:19:32.140But what happened with all the children they are having here in the last 30 years?
00:19:36.300So this is why I'm saying that we have 14 million of immigrants and we have also half million, more or less, I think it's even more, half million of illegal immigrants that they are not part of statistics.
00:19:49.840I'm going to drill down on that in just one moment.
00:19:52.940Stand by if you wouldn't mind, Gonzalo, and we'll come back to this.
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00:21:26.080Well, Gonzalo, we've got about three minutes left of this.
00:21:31.380Just tell me, if you wouldn't mind, since we spoke about the collapse and degradation of the central right of the popular party.
00:21:39.480Just give me two minutes, if you will, on the left, on the socialists.
00:21:43.860I saw that Francisco Martin came out with the statement that it's unacceptable to criminalise vulnerable populations.
00:21:55.320And this really just shows you the priorities of these people.
00:22:00.180There's nobody, apparently, in the central right or central left, that's worried about the vulnerable population, which are ordinary working-class Spaniards.
00:22:11.460Just tell me, how is it going down on the ground with blue-collar workers, with working-class people in Spain, to hear this from their elites?
00:22:22.620And the fact that if you think it's bad already, if you think it's bad in Germany, just wait to see what will happen when they bring in 37 million people,
00:22:32.600which, of course, won't just remain in Spain.
00:22:35.420They're going to travel all over the continent.
00:22:37.980That will be fundamentally transformative.
00:22:40.260But just first, in your closing remarks, give me your reaction and tell me how this goes down with ordinary working-class Spaniards who are trying to make it to the end of the month.
00:22:54.100I think in Spain it's happening a little bit what happened in France with Front National.
00:22:59.380Many people, many workers, they saw that the leftists, the left-wing parties, they were giving priority always to foreigners.
00:23:08.660And they saw how the conditions, they were going worse and worse, the salaries, they were stand-necked, and they were earning the same in the last 20 years, like it's happening in Spain.
00:23:18.020And there are many people waking up, and they don't look anymore to the left.
00:23:21.440People that they were in the family, they were all communists, now they are changing, and many of them, they start to support, for example, Vox.
00:23:31.220But as I said, Vox is just taking advantage of the work of many years of people like us that we were saying that immigration is a problem.
00:23:39.660So, there are more and more, in the case, for example, of Democracia Nacional, when we were running two elections, we usually get more votes in the proletarian areas than the bourgeois areas.
00:23:52.820So, working-class people, the ones who are suffering the immigration, they are the ones who face all these problems, and they know how they are, and they know how it's not cool and multi-culti to have neighbors above living on your, above your apartment, from Dominican Republic, listening to music 24 hours, or gypsies on your left, or some Arabs with praying.
00:24:19.860And people that are living with those immigrants, they are working-class people.
00:24:25.460And, of course, they see that they are totally abandoned by the left, because the lefties, they only care about the immigrants.
00:24:34.240And in the case of my party of Democracia Nacional, the most part of us, I can say, that we are working-class people.
00:24:41.400We have really humble jobs, because we are the ones who live with the immigration.
00:24:46.140Gonzalo, 60 seconds on this, and then we have to end. 60 seconds.
00:24:54.140When Spaniards are seeing that these protests are being suppressed by judicial order,
00:25:01.240under the accusation that they will just inflame anti-migrant sentiment,
00:25:07.040does that make people more enthusiastic towards supporting you, or less enthusiastic?
00:25:13.380Let's say that boomers, they were always afraid of the law.
00:25:18.640And people that are younger, they don't care anymore.
00:25:21.220They are so tired of the situation, that every time that there is a protest like this,
00:25:26.560if you see what the journalists, when they are asking to people protesting,
00:25:30.140people that are boomers or they are older, they always say,
00:25:32.580I'm not racist, I'm not racist, I'm just here, because we don't want to have them here, in the neighborhood.
00:25:36.920So the problem for them is that they don't want to have them in the neighborhood.
00:25:40.140They want that they move the immigrant center to other neighborhoods.
00:25:43.420But if you listen to the young people, these young people, they say,
00:25:46.700we don't want them in Spain. We want them to send them back to the country.
00:25:49.980So people are so, so tired of this situation that, especially young people,
00:25:55.180they don't care anymore about being accused of being racist, fascist, or wherever.
00:25:59.560They say, these people, they will never integrate.
00:26:01.980We don't want that they come to Spain.
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