Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 844： Updates From The UK And Spain On The Growing Anti-INVADER Protests Flaring Up

00:00:00.000 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:00:07.000 Pray for our enemies,

00:00:09.000 because we're going medieval on these people.

00:00:12.000 Here's the time I got a free shot

00:00:14.000 at all these networks lying about the people.

00:00:17.000 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:00:19.000 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:00:20.000 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that,

00:00:22.000 but you're not going to stop it.

00:00:23.000 It's going to happen.

00:00:24.000 And where do people like that go to share the big lie?

00:00:27.000 Mega Media.

00:00:29.000 I wish in my soul,

00:00:31.000 I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:00:34.000 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:00:38.000 If that answer is to save my country,

00:00:41.000 this country will be saved.

00:00:44.000 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Vann.

00:00:48.000 Friday, 5th of September.

00:00:57.000 Anno Domini 2025.

00:00:59.000 Harnwell here at the helm on Steve Bannon's War Room.

00:01:03.000 Well, folks, you might have seen over recent press coverage right across the world,

00:01:08.000 in the UK, in Austria, there are, in France, there are increasing numbers of anti-migrant,

00:01:18.000 anti-invader protest breaking out.

00:01:20.000 Well, that's also the case in Spain and specifically in, I think in Madrid and Barcelona have had a number of anti-migrant protests. 0.54

00:01:29.000 And recently there was this specific case in, you know, just outside of Madrid, where a guy of Moroccan extraction raped a young girl accused of raping a young girl.

00:01:53.000 And that kicked off a particularly aggressive protest around the first reception centre.

00:02:02.000 Now, with me to break this down and to describe some of the local sentiment is someone I met about six months ago in Rome at a Forza Nuova conference.

00:02:14.000 So, Gonzalo Martín, who is vice president of Democracia Nacional, national democracy.

00:02:22.000 Gonzalo, welcome onto the show.

00:02:24.000 I hope I pronounced that reasonably satisfactorily.

00:02:28.000 Why don't you start off and explain just what has happened at this migrant centre and then go on to say what the local reaction has been?

00:02:39.000 Yes.

00:02:40.000 In Spain, we have many centres for immigrants, minors and a companion that they are usually the outsides of the big cities in the proletarian neighbourhoods. 0.99

00:02:53.000 And in this case, in Hortaleza, it's a neighbourhood of Madrid, not in the centre, it's a little bit far away from the centre.

00:03:00.000 And since many months, we were accusing the government of Madrid and the government of Spain to bring all these immigrants that they don't want to adapt and they don't want to integrate in Spain. 1.00

00:03:12.000 They're supposed to be minors, but we are not sure if they are minors because when they enter Spain, they break the passport and we never know the real age of them.

00:03:21.000 And when the doctors come to make some DNA tests to verify if they are minors or not, sometimes it's difficult to know because there is a gap of two years and most part of times they are not even minors.

00:03:33.000 So in this case, these people with our money, with the money of our taxes, they are living from us and they have this kind of summer camp holidays in these centres, in this case in Madrid, and they are free during the day.

00:03:50.000 And of course, they are around the neighbourhood, stealing, they are harassing people. And in this particular case, there was this migrant, 17 years old, raping a Spanish girl, 14 years old. 0.99

00:04:06.000 And this is not the first time something like this is happening. It's happening more often than the journalists say, of course, because they don't want to make publicity out of this.

00:04:17.000 But it's something that is happening continuously in all these immigrant centres, because these people, as I said, they are the worst of those countries, and they don't have any kind of respect for Spanish people, and of course, neither for the Spanish women. 1.00

00:04:36.000 So this has been used by the extreme left to accuse the neighbours of the neighbourhood of Fortaleza of being racist because they were protesting, because they want to be living in the neighbourhood like always, a really relaxed neighbourhood, without problems where you can walk your dog, going with your family to the park.

00:04:59.000 But nowadays, it's impossible, due to all these immigrants, that they are harassing and attacking local people. 1.00

00:05:06.000 Not only young girls, also old people stealing from them, the necklace, bracelets, watches, everything. 0.98

00:05:13.000 So in this case, it became more popular, this incident, due to the fact that they are accusing two guys, that they were with a mask, of attacking another three immigrants after what happened to this Spanish girl.

00:05:31.000 But they never talk about all these times, all the problems that we are having with them, and all the women that have been raped and harassed.

00:05:42.000 And they are, of course, never in public TV talking about this, because they are afraid that people wake up, and that there is a kind of riot against all this migrant policy from the Spanish government.

00:05:54.920 Okay, Gonzalo, let me ask you this, because frequently on the war room, one of the points that we make, that we repeatedly make, is that it's really the centre-right political party that is responsible historically for a lot of what's, the huge influxes of migration.

00:06:18.760 What has been, and we often say, like, for example, in the Spanish context, really, that the popular party isn't a centre-right political party whatsoever.

00:06:31.960 And this is the same, like, the mainstream Republicans in America, or the Tories in the UK.

00:06:38.440 They're really sort of, it's just basically that these are vehicles and instruments that have been hijacked by globalist elites.

00:06:45.320 And as a consequence of that, over many decades, you've had the formation of new political parties, which the press will obviously term as being far-right, such as Démocratia Nationale, such as Vox, obviously.

00:07:00.980 Tell me what the response has been, because you have the socialists on the left, who are in control at the moment, and they're obviously panicking.

00:07:09.460 You know that they're panicking, because as we go on into the conversation discussing about this, the judiciary is clamping down on the popular protests, saying that they're sparking anti-immigrant sentiment, as if that sentiment didn't actually exist anyway.

00:07:24.720 Tell me, however, I want the audience to hear you, in your words, describe the real difference on the right of the political spectrum,

00:07:32.920 between the popular party, and then between your party, Démocratia Nationale, and Vox, as well.

00:07:40.060 Because both of you, both you and Vox, have been suppressed in your ability to organise protests.

00:07:47.260 But tell me, I really just want to drill down on the thing here, about the centre-right.

00:07:53.540 Tell me about the popular party, and what its position has been in the face of these protests.

00:08:00.660 Well, the popular party, they are, of course, Spain is almost a federal state.

00:08:08.760 So, we have like 17 states inside of this, what they call autonomous community, and Madrid is one of them.

00:08:15.960 So, it's like an independent state inside of the Spanish state.

00:08:20.340 So, the government of Madrid is right-wing, the popular party, and the general government of Spain is socialist.

00:08:27.680 So, they have this war. They use immigration to attack each other. 1.00

00:08:31.260 So, what the Socialist Party is doing is now taking these minor, these immigrants, especially from Canary Island, 0.97

00:08:38.200 and they distribute them in Spain through communities.

00:08:42.820 But, of course, they always take more immigrants to the communities where the Socialist Party is not in power.

00:08:48.760 So, in this case, they bring more to Madrid than, for example, to Catalonia, because in Catalonia are the socialists in power.

00:08:55.960 So, they use it as a weapon against them, because, of course, they know that nobody wants to have the immigrants, 0.99

00:09:01.680 and nobody wants that these minors, or that they are not even minors, coming to the neighbourhood and doing what they do.

00:09:07.240 Nobody wants them. So, the Popular Party, what they do is to say that they don't have enough money to provide to these immigrants a good life,

00:09:17.160 that they will need more money from the central government, but, of course, they don't receive it because they are political rivals.

00:09:23.080 And they only use this speech against the central government about money, about the conditions of these centres for immigrants,

00:09:32.820 and they don't talk about the root of the problem, that is immigration.

00:09:35.640 And I want to give an important point about all this immigration history in Spain.

00:09:44.980 The Socialist Party was in the Spanish ruling in Spain until 1996.

00:09:53.240 Since Franco's death, we had mostly only Socialist governments until 1996.

00:09:58.660 In 1995, one year before the Popular Party ruled Spain, during eight years, consecutive eight years,

00:10:07.080 in Spain we had half a million immigrants.

00:10:10.260 In 2005, the Popular Party was already in power for seven years,

00:10:19.540 sorry, no, they were in power for ten years,

00:10:22.260 because we had in Spain, we passed from half a million immigrants to five million immigrants.

00:10:28.020 And this was with the Popular Party.

00:10:29.900 So, when right-wing people in Spain, they say,

00:10:32.320 oh, the Socialists are the ones bringing the immigrants, it's not true.

00:10:35.320 It's the Popular Party.

00:10:36.520 Because the Popular Party, as you said, they are part of the elite,

00:10:40.680 and, of course, there are many entrepreneurs that want to bring all this cheap labour hand to Spain.

00:10:46.180 Gonzalo, this point is so important to get a correct understanding of what is happening in Europe,

00:10:52.380 because it's exactly the same situation, sort of, ten years later with Angela Merkel in Germany.

00:10:58.000 Again, you have someone supposedly of the centre-right, but not remotely in reality.

00:11:03.880 Then you have the creation of parties to the right of the so-called inverted commas,

00:11:09.540 to the right of the Christian Democrat Union.

00:11:14.740 For example, the alternative for Deutschland, and the government there,

00:11:19.080 especially the judiciary, are trying to suppress the ADF.

00:11:25.420 It's the same thing in Spain.

00:11:27.060 Important folks, that here in continental Europe, it is really the centre-right political party

00:11:33.180 that is to blame for a lot of the invasion, the third-world invasion,

00:11:38.920 that is overrunning us here.

00:11:41.140 Now, currently, correct me if I'm wrong, it's Isabel Ayuso, who's the president of the local regional government. 0.98

00:11:50.920 She's the popular party.

00:11:52.760 I've seen some of her responses to these protests, and they seem to be pretty performative.

00:11:58.060 That is to say, she's trying, with a few weak words, to say,

00:12:02.880 oh, look, well, perhaps this guy is maladapted. 0.97

00:12:05.020 Perhaps this guy, this rapist, needs to be returned with some 37 others. 0.65

00:12:09.820 But if you're talking about 37 people, as you're saying, out of 5 million,

00:12:14.380 and that was sort of 20 years ago, that's not going to solve the problem.

00:12:19.340 It's not even going to have any serious amelioration of the condition whatsoever.

00:12:26.740 It is total theatre.

00:12:29.120 Are people in Spain, are people here by the Torre Pacheco, where these protests,

00:12:36.160 those recent protests are flaring up, are people, do they realise, do they accept

00:12:43.160 that the popular party is simply part of the problem here,

00:12:47.940 and that's why they're looking towards you and towards Vox for a new alternative,

00:12:53.680 or do these words actually carry some weight?

00:12:58.100 Well, people are changing, of course, but it's not the same the people voting

00:13:03.880 for a popular party in big cities than the people voting for a popular party

00:13:07.580 in the rural areas.

00:13:09.480 People in rural areas, sometimes they don't have, for example, a party like Vox

00:13:13.840 that is much bigger than my party, Democracia Nacional.

00:13:16.700 They don't have maybe enough candidates.

00:13:18.720 So, as happened in the village of my father, not far away from Madrid, in Toledo,

00:13:22.960 do you have only, like, the communists, the socialists, and the popular party

00:13:28.060 running to elections.

00:13:29.300 There is not even the candidate of Vox.

00:13:31.220 So, people in the countryside, they are still having this mentality

00:13:34.120 of the Spanish Civil War, that it was between communists and anti-Spanists

00:13:38.900 against right-wing and patriotic and fascists, you know, in the Spanish Civil War.

00:13:44.300 So, in Spain, many people in the rural areas, they are still thinking

00:13:48.240 that it is the blues, so in this case, the blue are the nationalists

00:13:52.340 against the reds, no? 0.89

00:13:53.800 And it's not like this anymore, because the popular party is the same problem

00:13:57.920 for Spain, it represents the same problem for Spain than the Socialist Party.

00:14:02.100 But in the rural areas, they usually have a little bit more radical speech,

00:14:06.120 and it's common to meet some of the candidates of the popular party

00:14:12.220 in a bar with pictures of Franco, for example, and cheering Viva España

00:14:17.600 or something like this, that in big cities they wouldn't do this.

00:14:20.400 So, they are still lying to people, and they are still making them believe

00:14:24.660 that they are the good ones, but of course they are not.

00:14:28.020 And people are waking, of course.

00:14:31.440 We, my party, Democracia Nacional, we are fighting for Spain,

00:14:36.000 and we are denouncing the situation with immigration since 1995,

00:14:41.380 and our first slogan was, The Spanish First.

00:14:44.740 And our box that came later copied this slogan from us

00:14:48.400 and many other things.

00:14:49.360 What I consider is good, because what we want is people to wake up.

00:14:52.920 So, I can say that more or less 20%, 15%, 20% of Spanish people

00:14:58.400 are already tired of the popular party.

00:15:02.300 They don't believe in them anymore, and they will vote for Vox, for example.

00:15:07.060 And many of the people voting for Vox, they don't know us.

00:15:10.120 They heard about us or some slogans or some political campaigns

00:15:13.960 that we did back then, and now Vox is taking advantage 0.97

00:15:17.300 of all the work we're doing in 30 years.

00:15:19.780 It's no problem about that, because we are not here for the salary.

00:15:24.160 We are totally people that we are fighting for our country,

00:15:28.400 and we want the best.

00:15:29.780 So, in this case, Vox is the one who is taking advantage

00:15:32.100 of all these years of work of many patriots.

00:15:34.860 It's okay.

00:15:35.680 But, yes, people are changing mentality in some places,

00:15:39.140 especially where there are so many immigrants,

00:15:40.880 and they listen to what the popular party politicians are saying,

00:15:45.720 saying that we need, from now till 2050, 37 million immigrants in Spain,

00:15:52.700 they said, for the pensions to be paid.

00:15:55.520 So, people are saying, how can you say we need 37 million more of immigrants?

00:16:00.040 We have already like 12, 14 million immigrants in Spain,

00:16:04.760 and we are becoming the minority.

00:16:06.560 So, some people, they are seeing it.

00:16:08.500 In other cases, like my parents, they are from a big city,

00:16:11.240 they are from Madrid.

00:16:11.780 They will vote for a popular party always,

00:16:14.320 because they live in a good area.

00:16:15.780 They don't suffer immigration, like in other parts of Madrid, for example,

00:16:19.300 and they are still thinking that Vox maybe is too radical, for example.

00:16:23.560 Let me, that 37 million figure seems to me an incredible number.

00:16:32.760 I think a million Syrians were taken in by Angela Merkel.

00:16:39.620 A million and a half.

00:16:40.580 Ten years ago.

00:16:41.240 A million and a half.

00:16:42.960 And that fundamentally changed the political landscape in Germany.

00:16:48.020 That really created the AFD phenomenon, that in itself.

00:16:51.560 That's a million and a half.

00:16:52.840 And Germany is a lot larger country than Spain.

00:16:56.800 That 37, what is the population of Spain right now?

00:16:59.780 It's about like 65 million?

00:17:03.580 Less, less.

00:17:04.580 We are officially, I think, 48 million.

00:17:06.780 But you have to know, I will give some tips really, really fast about the Spanish situation.

00:17:12.980 As I said, in 1995, we had half million immigrants and we were 39 million Spaniards.

00:17:18.140 And back then, already in 1995, we had already more deaths than people getting born in Spain.

00:17:25.680 So it means that we didn't recover from that.

00:17:27.880 From that time, we are having less and less children in Spain from native Spanish people.

00:17:32.680 And we have more people dying.

00:17:34.880 And talking about native Spanish people.

00:17:36.840 So all the growth of population in Spain in the last 30 years, if we were 39 million people in 1995, and now we are officially 48, all the growth is 100% from immigration.

00:17:49.040 So it's not only 9 million more people living in Spain.

00:17:53.420 It's 9 million more than 1995.

00:17:55.800 By taking into account that there are more people dying than getting born in Spain, we were calculating more as the real population, the real figures of the immigrant population in Spain.

00:18:08.000 And we can say that maybe from these 48 million people living in Spain, 14 are already immigrants.

00:18:15.160 Because we have also the problem that with the Spanish constitution in the hands, it's written in the Spanish constitution that all the people coming from countries that used to belong part of the Spanish empire,

00:18:29.000 So all America, some countries in Africa, the Philippines, when they come to Spain and they stay legally two years, after two years, they can already start the procedure to become Spanish, to have the Spanish nationality.

00:18:45.100 So after three years in Spain, they are already Spanish like me officially.

00:18:48.660 And these people disappear from the statistics, from everything.

00:18:50.960 So when they say that one Spanish guy was raping a woman, probably he was not Spanish.

00:18:57.920 He has only the Spanish nationality.

00:18:59.940 So with this constitution we have in Spain, it's very difficult to know who is Spanish and who is not.

00:19:06.300 The only statistic that you can find that is talking about the region of the people living in Spain, because in Spain it's forbidden to make statistics according to the race, it's totally forbidden.

00:19:18.840 The only statistic that you can find on Google is that in Spain there are around 9 million and a half people that were not born in Spain.

00:19:28.140 So 9 million and a half were not born in Spain, it means that they are immigrants.

00:19:32.140 But what happened with all the children they are having here in the last 30 years?

00:19:36.300 So this is why I'm saying that we have 14 million of immigrants and we have also half million, more or less, I think it's even more, half million of illegal immigrants that they are not part of statistics.

00:19:49.840 I'm going to drill down on that in just one moment.

00:19:52.940 Stand by if you wouldn't mind, Gonzalo, and we'll come back to this.

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00:21:26.080 Well, Gonzalo, we've got about three minutes left of this.

00:21:31.380 Just tell me, if you wouldn't mind, since we spoke about the collapse and degradation of the central right of the popular party.

00:21:39.480 Just give me two minutes, if you will, on the left, on the socialists.

00:21:43.860 I saw that Francisco Martin came out with the statement that it's unacceptable to criminalise vulnerable populations.

00:21:55.320 And this really just shows you the priorities of these people.

00:22:00.180 There's nobody, apparently, in the central right or central left, that's worried about the vulnerable population, which are ordinary working-class Spaniards.

00:22:11.460 Just tell me, how is it going down on the ground with blue-collar workers, with working-class people in Spain, to hear this from their elites?

00:22:22.620 And the fact that if you think it's bad already, if you think it's bad in Germany, just wait to see what will happen when they bring in 37 million people,

00:22:32.600 which, of course, won't just remain in Spain.

00:22:35.420 They're going to travel all over the continent.

00:22:37.980 That will be fundamentally transformative.

00:22:40.260 But just first, in your closing remarks, give me your reaction and tell me how this goes down with ordinary working-class Spaniards who are trying to make it to the end of the month.

00:22:52.880 So, yes, you are right.

00:22:54.100 I think in Spain it's happening a little bit what happened in France with Front National.

00:22:59.380 Many people, many workers, they saw that the leftists, the left-wing parties, they were giving priority always to foreigners.

00:23:08.660 And they saw how the conditions, they were going worse and worse, the salaries, they were stand-necked, and they were earning the same in the last 20 years, like it's happening in Spain.

00:23:18.020 And there are many people waking up, and they don't look anymore to the left.

00:23:21.440 People that they were in the family, they were all communists, now they are changing, and many of them, they start to support, for example, Vox.

00:23:31.220 But as I said, Vox is just taking advantage of the work of many years of people like us that we were saying that immigration is a problem.

00:23:39.660 So, there are more and more, in the case, for example, of Democracia Nacional, when we were running two elections, we usually get more votes in the proletarian areas than the bourgeois areas.

00:23:52.820 So, working-class people, the ones who are suffering the immigration, they are the ones who face all these problems, and they know how they are, and they know how it's not cool and multi-culti to have neighbors above living on your, above your apartment, from Dominican Republic, listening to music 24 hours, or gypsies on your left, or some Arabs with praying. 0.55

00:24:19.860 And people that are living with those immigrants, they are working-class people.

00:24:25.460 And, of course, they see that they are totally abandoned by the left, because the lefties, they only care about the immigrants.

00:24:34.240 And in the case of my party of Democracia Nacional, the most part of us, I can say, that we are working-class people.

00:24:41.400 We have really humble jobs, because we are the ones who live with the immigration. 1.00

00:24:46.140 Gonzalo, 60 seconds on this, and then we have to end. 60 seconds.

00:24:54.140 When Spaniards are seeing that these protests are being suppressed by judicial order,

00:25:01.240 under the accusation that they will just inflame anti-migrant sentiment,

00:25:07.040 does that make people more enthusiastic towards supporting you, or less enthusiastic?

00:25:13.380 Let's say that boomers, they were always afraid of the law. 1.00

00:25:18.640 And people that are younger, they don't care anymore.

00:25:21.220 They are so tired of the situation, that every time that there is a protest like this,

00:25:26.560 if you see what the journalists, when they are asking to people protesting,

00:25:30.140 people that are boomers or they are older, they always say,

00:25:32.580 I'm not racist, I'm not racist, I'm just here, because we don't want to have them here, in the neighborhood.

00:25:36.920 So the problem for them is that they don't want to have them in the neighborhood.

00:25:40.140 They want that they move the immigrant center to other neighborhoods. 0.99

00:25:43.420 But if you listen to the young people, these young people, they say,

00:25:46.700 we don't want them in Spain. We want them to send them back to the country. 1.00

00:25:49.980 So people are so, so tired of this situation that, especially young people,

00:25:55.180 they don't care anymore about being accused of being racist, fascist, or wherever.

00:25:59.560 They say, these people, they will never integrate.

00:26:01.980 We don't want that they come to Spain. 1.00

00:26:03.380 We don't want that they stay here.

00:26:04.800 We don't want that to provide everything for them,

00:26:07.520 that they will be so ungrateful for us in the future, as they are doing.

00:26:10.760 We just want them to kick them out. 0.77

00:26:12.780 We want them that they come back to the country. 1.00

00:26:14.740 And many people, they start to see it, and it's less political and correct.

00:26:19.680 Now, many people, they feel free to say it.

00:26:22.360 Maybe 20 years ago, if you would say yes to control immigration, 0.88

00:26:25.480 you were considered a racist, a really dangerous racist.

00:26:29.440 Gonzalo, we have to stop there. 0.94

00:26:31.080 Sadly, we could go on.

00:26:32.420 Just very, very quickly, what's your social media?

00:26:34.600 Where can people get hold of you and Democracia Nacional?

00:26:39.200 You can follow us in the Telegram, in Twitter, Democracia Nacional.

00:26:44.580 We have also a website, democracianacional.es.

00:26:49.080 And we are very active, and we have really interesting programs.

00:26:54.000 Also, we have a radio program called Aquila Vos de Europa.

00:26:57.540 I invite you all to listen to us.

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00:31:10.880 Well, my next guest, Ed West, is a British journalist and commentator.

00:31:32.860 He's written for the Daily Telegraph, The Spectator.

00:31:36.640 And his most recent book is Small Men on the Wrong Side of History.

00:31:41.060 And the wrong side of history is the name of his sub stack.

00:31:45.880 And from that, there is a very important article that we'll be pushing out on our social media.

00:31:51.540 And that's, Ed, why we've got you on the show today, to talk us through this, some of the points here,

00:31:58.880 which you've, in a great genius fashion, you've tied together a number of themes here,

00:32:04.640 and really to do with the phenomenon that's rolling across the UK right now,

00:32:11.160 across England specifically, about the raising of the flags.

00:32:15.120 Firstly, however, in your article, you just mention your own borough of Crouch End.

00:32:22.480 And you quite well described the phenomenon before you go on to say how these left-wing councils

00:32:28.760 are ripping down the flag of St. George, the English flag, which is, for American audiences,

00:32:33.940 it's just the white background with the red cross on the middle of it.

00:32:38.160 Before going on to that, you start off by saying what the situation is with the Palestinian flag.

00:32:44.000 Just, why don't you say that in your own words, to give a description of what your thesis is,

00:32:52.460 and then we'll take it from there.

00:32:54.220 Well, thanks very much for having me on. Those are very kind words.

00:32:56.640 I mentioned my own area, which is an area of a sort of upper-middle-class,

00:33:03.180 liberal-leaning neighbourhoods in North London.

00:33:06.660 I think we had one of the highest Remain votes in the referendum.

00:33:10.520 And like lots of parts of London, you see a lot of Palestinian flags,

00:33:15.440 sometimes people's windows.

00:33:16.560 But in other parts of the country, you've seen the Palestinian flags on flagposts.

00:33:23.480 This started out in 2023 with the war.

00:33:26.940 And it has sort of two meanings.

00:33:29.600 In some ways, it sort of signifies a kind of middle-class, left-wing solidarity

00:33:35.720 with the wretched of the earth and against colonial injustice, whatever.

00:33:40.920 But in other parts of the country, it has a much more sort of territorial feel.

00:33:45.440 It signifies, I suppose, that this is a kind of predominantly Muslim area.

00:33:50.820 And some shopkeepers have even said that they feel they have to put up the Palestinian flag

00:33:55.600 in their shops, because otherwise they might be intimidated.

00:33:57.800 And so there are parts of the country where, you know,

00:34:00.440 row after row of houses has the Palestinian flag.

00:34:03.320 And some people have come to see this as having a slight territorial feel to it.

00:34:11.820 And in two parts of the country in particular, it's been noted,

00:34:15.600 Tower Hamlets is a borough in East London.

00:34:17.280 It has a very large Bangladeshi Muslim population.

00:34:21.520 And the borough is run by a small party,

00:34:23.620 which is basically Bangladeshi-led.

00:34:27.420 And they had Palestinian flags hanging up from lampposts all over the area.

00:34:34.820 And some of the residents have complained.

00:34:37.560 It has historically a very...

00:34:39.340 It was originally...

00:34:40.460 People have complained and said they find it intimidating.

00:34:45.600 The council refused to take down the flags,

00:34:47.820 and they said they were a symbol of international solidarity

00:34:50.100 until the government forced them to do it.

00:34:53.920 It also happened in Birmingham.

00:34:55.820 Birmingham is the major British city with the largest Muslim population.

00:34:59.940 In fact, I think it's projected to become, at some point, Muslim majority.

00:35:03.860 And again, the council there refused to take down the Palestinian flags.

00:35:06.960 And they also said, in fact, both councils said

00:35:08.660 that they couldn't take down the flags without police backup

00:35:11.080 because there'd be tensions within the community,

00:35:13.600 in which, in other words, they'd be worried they'd be fighting about it.

00:35:15.980 And both flags...

00:35:18.540 So since this recent thing started...

00:35:21.040 So, Ed, just to stop you there,

00:35:24.980 when it comes to the Palestinian flag,

00:35:27.080 and you were mentioning Tower Hamlets,

00:35:29.320 which has a 40% Muslim population there,

00:35:32.980 and you mentioned the Bengali-dominated Aspire Party.

00:35:39.520 Sure.

00:35:39.660 So when it comes to taking down from the public roundabouts

00:35:44.920 and public buildings, all the rest of it,

00:35:46.600 the Palestinian flag,

00:35:47.720 you can't do that just by, you know,

00:35:50.440 there are issues there.

00:35:51.620 No concerns about health and safety

00:35:53.420 on the Palestinian flags, right?

00:35:56.520 That's the point I want to underline here.

00:35:58.300 No, the council's not saying,

00:35:59.580 you know, right,

00:36:01.720 the issue that these things are a threat to public safety,

00:36:07.180 literally health and safety, dynamic there.

00:36:09.560 That's not being called into question right now.

00:36:14.220 That will be called into question, of course,

00:36:16.760 as we proceed with our conversation here.

00:36:19.980 Now, let's do that.

00:36:20.840 Let's talk about the Operation Raise the Colors.

00:36:22.720 We had at the beginning of the show

00:36:25.080 just a quick segment of what's going on across the UK.

00:36:28.040 Many people who are active on social media

00:36:30.320 of the war and posse

00:36:32.020 will see some of these things being thrown up,

00:36:34.040 for example, on YouTube,

00:36:34.960 short clips of people just going out by themselves,

00:36:38.400 not necessarily raising flags even,

00:36:40.240 just painting the red cross on white walls,

00:36:44.220 which, of course,

00:36:44.680 the council will then come along in due course

00:36:46.940 and paint over.

00:36:49.140 Tell us about Operation Raise the Colors first,

00:36:51.940 and then we'll talk about

00:36:52.680 the sudden out-of-nowhere concern

00:36:56.740 for health and safety.

00:36:58.000 It just seems to start spontaneously

00:37:01.540 just outside Birmingham,

00:37:04.100 just south of Birmingham in an area.

00:37:06.740 On the fringe of the city,

00:37:08.020 people started literally just raising flags

00:37:12.160 on lampposts,

00:37:14.120 and then it suddenly spread.

00:37:16.700 York has a big movement there.

00:37:19.980 Other cities like Southampton,

00:37:22.600 I think Norwich has seen them,

00:37:23.820 and also in Tower Hamlets,

00:37:25.460 in an area called the Isle of Dogs,

00:37:28.760 there have been flags going up.

00:37:30.680 And bear in mind the background to this

00:37:32.440 is there have been protests

00:37:36.600 all over the summer

00:37:37.520 about the placement of

00:37:40.040 asylum seekers,

00:37:41.820 illegal migrants,

00:37:42.920 whatever you want to call them,

00:37:44.020 in hotels across the country.

00:37:46.100 Because there are so many coming over,

00:37:48.000 the government has basically

00:37:49.160 bought up lots of hotels

00:37:50.400 and just filled in

00:37:52.960 with lots of sort of random guys.

00:37:55.140 And the Isle of Dogs

00:37:55.840 is one such location

00:37:58.020 where there have been protests

00:37:59.120 by local residents

00:38:00.500 about these guys.

00:38:03.400 And so the flag movement

00:38:04.280 has kind of arisen out of this

00:38:06.900 as a kind of civil protest.

00:38:09.500 And yeah, and obviously in this case,

00:38:12.660 the councils are much keener

00:38:14.340 to get rid of these flags.

00:38:16.420 It's become all of a sudden

00:38:18.740 a health and safety issue,

00:38:19.940 having people raise

00:38:22.520 English and British flags

00:38:24.420 up and down the lampposts,

00:38:26.700 and also in roundabouts as well.

00:38:28.160 You know, they've been painting them.

00:38:32.400 These councils which are bankrupt

00:38:34.400 and have no money

00:38:35.380 suddenly find the money

00:38:36.600 out of nowhere

00:38:37.240 to do the most essential work possible,

00:38:40.240 not fully covering in potholes,

00:38:42.000 but painting over

00:38:43.040 the cross of St. George.

00:38:46.420 I'm going to ask you

00:38:47.640 if you want to get rid of your potholes,

00:38:50.080 if you want to get rid of a pothole,

00:38:51.340 you can just paint an English flag on it

00:38:52.640 and then they'll come and fix it,

00:38:54.080 fill it in, no problem.

00:38:56.240 That's what they're concerned about.

00:38:58.480 I'm going to ask you

00:38:59.580 about the next theme

00:39:01.740 that you raise in your article,

00:39:03.420 which is how the flag of St. George

00:39:06.440 and the Union Jack,

00:39:07.580 the Union flag,

00:39:08.820 became co-opted by the far right

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00:40:20.260 So Ed, just give us an analysis,

00:40:23.260 especially for our largely American audience.

00:40:27.100 How did this happen?

00:40:29.080 Did this happen in a vacuum

00:40:30.540 or was it also the dynamic

00:40:32.440 that the centre-left,

00:40:36.040 the centre-right

00:40:37.020 abandoned these flags

00:40:39.360 because perhaps they were ashamed

00:40:41.500 of Britain's history and heritage?

00:40:45.920 What you have to understand,

00:40:47.220 the British kind of elites

00:40:49.340 have always been much more uncomfortable

00:40:50.800 with their flag,

00:40:51.520 even compared to American or French elites.

00:40:54.700 You remember,

00:40:55.000 the American and the French flags

00:40:57.080 came out of liberal revolutions,

00:40:59.840 while the British flag

00:41:00.960 doesn't have any kind of...

00:41:02.360 You know,

00:41:03.580 it's quite visceral.

00:41:04.960 It's literally a Christian symbol.

00:41:07.700 And the left have always been

00:41:10.140 quite uncomfortable with it,

00:41:11.900 especially since about the 1970s

00:41:13.760 when they thought of it

00:41:15.920 as being associated

00:41:16.660 with the sort of far-right National Front

00:41:18.220 and, you know, 0.71

00:41:18.880 hooligans and thugs.

00:41:21.480 And there was a kind of attempt

00:41:23.100 to kind of claim it back

00:41:26.300 as a sort of left-wing symbol.

00:41:27.580 And bear in mind,

00:41:28.860 the flag has a different context.

00:41:30.300 So, you know,

00:41:30.540 the Prime Minister will happily

00:41:32.980 be seen with the British flag.

00:41:34.760 The English flag is a bit more,

00:41:37.080 I suppose,

00:41:37.540 proletarian

00:41:38.160 is the way to describe it.

00:41:39.960 But people fly the English flag

00:41:42.060 during football tournaments,

00:41:43.260 for instance,

00:41:43.860 and the Prime Minister

00:41:44.440 will be seen with it.

00:41:45.720 But it depends on the context

00:41:47.360 in any situation.

00:41:49.360 Once you see a kind of lots,

00:41:55.560 you know,

00:41:55.760 once you see people

00:41:56.680 protesting about immigration

00:41:59.520 who are also carrying

00:42:00.500 the English flag,

00:42:01.240 then they start to get

00:42:02.680 very uncomfortable.

00:42:04.800 And remember,

00:42:05.800 I mean,

00:42:06.120 especially in England,

00:42:07.000 a lot of this has a kind

00:42:07.820 of class dimension as well.

00:42:09.000 There's this kind of fear of,

00:42:10.500 you know,

00:42:10.800 these kind of thugs, 0.59

00:42:12.020 these working-class thugs 1.00

00:42:12.900 who are running around the flag 0.84

00:42:14.300 and they're the kind of people

00:42:15.100 we're scared of naturally.

00:42:16.220 So there is that kind of

00:42:17.780 visceral discomfort

00:42:19.180 with especially the English flag,

00:42:21.540 but to a less extent

00:42:22.560 the British flag.

00:42:24.280 Ed,

00:42:24.680 let me ask about that.

00:42:25.400 And of course,

00:42:25.740 the other thing

00:42:26.280 that perhaps Americans

00:42:27.080 will be familiar with

00:42:27.980 is the last night of the proms.

00:42:29.700 And that's probably

00:42:30.200 the only other time

00:42:30.900 you might see

00:42:31.700 the English flag waving,

00:42:33.920 of course,

00:42:34.240 along with the Union Jack as well.

00:42:37.520 You mentioned something where...

00:42:38.620 Well,

00:42:38.700 they did wave the EU flag as well,

00:42:40.500 the last night of the proms now.

00:42:41.820 So that is a different...

00:42:43.340 You know,

00:42:43.560 there are flags everywhere.

00:42:44.400 There's the Ukraine flag,

00:42:45.380 the Pride flag,

00:42:46.440 the EU flag.

00:42:47.140 They all have different

00:42:47.940 kind of political

00:42:49.280 and social-economic context.

00:42:53.760 Of course,

00:42:54.520 that's the point, right?

00:42:55.580 That they represent

00:42:56.280 different things.

00:42:57.080 You mentioned something

00:42:58.260 there that really

00:42:59.260 is so important

00:43:00.360 that people,

00:43:01.900 especially Brits,

00:43:04.340 you know,

00:43:05.320 they have

00:43:06.360 a sort of visceral reaction

00:43:08.160 normally against anything

00:43:09.720 perceived

00:43:10.300 as being

00:43:11.580 extreme.

00:43:12.780 and the idea

00:43:14.540 of

00:43:15.680 the English flag,

00:43:17.400 the flag of St. George,

00:43:18.440 being used

00:43:19.360 in conjunction

00:43:20.620 with anti-immigrant

00:43:22.020 protests

00:43:22.860 will send

00:43:23.520 a lot of people...

00:43:25.380 It would have sent

00:43:26.740 a lot of

00:43:28.000 people

00:43:28.840 into

00:43:31.460 a

00:43:32.680 mood

00:43:34.420 of paranoia

00:43:35.440 and

00:43:36.140 somewhat fear.

00:43:38.280 Now,

00:43:38.500 my question to you,

00:43:39.780 because that's a really

00:43:40.460 important point,

00:43:41.120 I think that line

00:43:42.240 has now been crossed.

00:43:44.020 I think

00:43:44.580 now,

00:43:45.500 and this is really

00:43:46.100 thanks to social media,

00:43:48.080 due to

00:43:49.040 Instagram,

00:43:50.580 YouTube,

00:43:51.400 the messaging apps,

00:43:52.640 that people can

00:43:53.240 communicate

00:43:53.760 en masse

00:43:54.860 with other people

00:43:55.860 in an unmediated form.

00:43:57.940 I think

00:43:58.460 the anger

00:43:59.080 of what is happening

00:43:59.920 now

00:44:00.340 with the

00:44:01.340 reception centres,

00:44:02.460 the migrant centres,

00:44:03.740 the migrant-based

00:44:04.580 crime in England

00:44:05.460 has passed

00:44:06.600 that level

00:44:07.400 in which people

00:44:08.380 actually care

00:44:09.360 about what other

00:44:10.160 people think

00:44:10.860 about them,

00:44:11.320 whether they're

00:44:11.660 going on

00:44:12.060 anti-migrant

00:44:12.740 protests,

00:44:13.620 where the

00:44:13.900 English flag

00:44:14.380 is being

00:44:14.900 waved.

00:44:15.800 They've

00:44:16.160 transcended

00:44:17.060 that sense

00:44:17.840 of fear,

00:44:20.260 of being

00:44:20.620 associated

00:44:21.200 with anything

00:44:21.780 extreme,

00:44:22.460 and they

00:44:22.760 actually think

00:44:23.180 what is

00:44:23.480 happening

00:44:23.760 right now

00:44:24.440 by our

00:44:25.060 mainstream

00:44:25.480 elites

00:44:26.080 is more

00:44:26.760 extreme

00:44:27.440 than the

00:44:28.460 social

00:44:28.840 disapproval

00:44:29.540 that might

00:44:29.980 have come

00:44:30.280 before.

00:44:30.740 How does

00:44:31.220 that thesis

00:44:31.840 strike you?

00:44:32.720 I think

00:44:34.920 there's

00:44:35.080 definitely

00:44:35.380 a bit

00:44:35.740 of a

00:44:36.720 respectability

00:44:38.560 cascade,

00:44:39.300 as it's

00:44:39.840 called,

00:44:40.980 about these

00:44:41.520 issues.

00:44:41.960 There used

00:44:42.220 to be,

00:44:43.120 if only

00:44:45.220 thugs 0.77

00:44:45.860 and fascists 1.00

00:44:46.980 turn up

00:44:47.380 at an

00:44:47.600 event,

00:44:48.880 no one

00:44:49.540 else is

00:44:49.800 going to

00:44:50.000 turn up

00:44:50.360 at the

00:44:50.600 event,

00:44:50.960 so therefore

00:44:51.560 it's only

00:44:52.060 going to

00:44:52.200 be thugs 0.99

00:44:52.520 and fascists. 0.84

00:44:53.660 There is

00:44:53.940 definitely

00:44:54.260 the protests

00:44:56.620 that have

00:44:58.000 been ongoing

00:44:58.480 this summer,

00:44:59.360 it's obvious

00:45:00.760 that the

00:45:01.340 makeup is

00:45:02.380 very different

00:45:02.940 to last

00:45:03.660 year's,

00:45:04.260 which were

00:45:04.580 just rioting

00:45:05.200 basically,

00:45:05.720 the people

00:45:06.020 who were

00:45:07.000 involved in

00:45:07.980 last year's

00:45:08.560 disorders,

00:45:09.780 if you look

00:45:10.080 at the

00:45:10.280 cases,

00:45:10.820 lots of

00:45:11.080 them had

00:45:11.420 repeated

00:45:12.020 criminal

00:45:12.360 records,

00:45:12.920 they were

00:45:13.120 mostly

00:45:13.440 drunk,

00:45:15.020 it was

00:45:15.480 kind of

00:45:15.740 an underclass

00:45:16.340 protest,

00:45:17.660 and that's

00:45:19.460 obviously not

00:45:19.980 the case

00:45:20.360 now,

00:45:20.760 you have

00:45:21.080 pretty normal

00:45:22.380 people turning

00:45:23.400 up there.

00:45:25.680 There is a

00:45:27.020 huge difference

00:45:27.900 between what

00:45:28.740 people have

00:45:29.120 revealed and

00:45:29.980 their stated

00:45:30.460 preferences

00:45:30.960 are on

00:45:31.520 all these

00:45:31.740 issues.

00:45:33.060 People out

00:45:34.100 of politeness

00:45:35.160 or social

00:45:35.660 status will

00:45:36.260 say,

00:45:37.100 I think

00:45:37.640 all these

00:45:39.480 social changes

00:45:40.440 happening in

00:45:40.920 the country

00:45:41.260 are great

00:45:41.840 and I'm

00:45:42.460 totally in

00:45:42.840 favour of

00:45:43.380 diversity

00:45:44.040 and everything,

00:45:44.580 but in

00:45:45.580 their revealed

00:45:46.800 preferences,

00:45:47.400 where they

00:45:47.660 choose to

00:45:48.020 live most

00:45:48.820 obviously,

00:45:49.420 they obviously

00:45:50.720 don't agree

00:45:51.240 with that.

00:45:53.420 I don't

00:45:53.660 think a

00:45:54.640 social system

00:45:55.480 can't

00:45:55.940 indefinitely

00:45:56.440 survive if

00:45:57.940 there is that

00:45:58.460 great gap

00:45:59.000 between what

00:45:59.500 people say

00:45:59.960 in public

00:46:00.400 and what

00:46:01.240 they actually

00:46:01.660 believe and

00:46:02.100 what they

00:46:02.320 do.

00:46:02.600 I mean,

00:46:02.760 the most

00:46:03.020 obvious

00:46:03.240 example is

00:46:03.840 with

00:46:03.980 communism,

00:46:04.840 which is

00:46:05.060 a kind

00:46:05.280 of

00:46:05.360 different

00:46:05.540 system

00:46:05.880 obviously,

00:46:06.340 but people

00:46:07.660 all had to

00:46:08.120 repeat the

00:46:08.560 mantra at

00:46:09.860 school and

00:46:10.300 work,

00:46:10.720 but no one

00:46:11.080 believed it.

00:46:12.140 And I think

00:46:12.500 there is that

00:46:13.060 this is the

00:46:13.560 importance of

00:46:15.060 social media.

00:46:16.140 This is the

00:46:16.620 importance of

00:46:17.040 social media

00:46:17.700 because you

00:46:19.620 suddenly learn

00:46:21.100 probably for

00:46:22.660 the first

00:46:23.060 time that

00:46:24.000 you're not

00:46:24.340 the only

00:46:24.620 person thinking

00:46:25.360 things because

00:46:27.280 when the

00:46:28.000 elites had

00:46:28.720 all the

00:46:29.180 basic,

00:46:29.660 when they

00:46:29.960 owned the

00:46:30.960 means of

00:46:32.100 production as

00:46:32.700 it were for

00:46:33.280 the culture

00:46:33.920 and they

00:46:35.800 used that

00:46:36.760 very effectively,

00:46:37.860 they could

00:46:38.140 condition people

00:46:39.380 to think

00:46:39.860 everybody in

00:46:41.520 half the

00:46:41.920 country would

00:46:42.320 be sitting

00:46:42.620 there cowering

00:46:43.440 in their

00:46:43.700 living rooms

00:46:44.340 thinking that

00:46:45.100 they're the

00:46:45.400 only person

00:46:45.920 thinking it

00:46:46.580 and therefore

00:46:47.320 they conform

00:46:48.080 to what they

00:46:48.560 expect and

00:46:49.200 perceive to

00:46:50.060 actually be

00:46:50.720 the majority

00:46:51.220 opinion.

00:46:52.020 Social media

00:46:52.680 breaks that,

00:46:53.420 it smashes it

00:46:54.240 because you

00:46:55.340 can now see

00:46:56.120 someone saying

00:46:58.080 something with

00:46:58.660 a tweet or

00:46:59.520 something on

00:46:59.900 X and that

00:47:00.740 will get 10

00:47:01.200 million,

00:47:01.620 15 million,

00:47:02.340 20 million

00:47:03.020 views and

00:47:05.180 people know

00:47:05.600 actually,

00:47:05.940 oh wow,

00:47:06.600 I didn't realise

00:47:07.280 I was the only

00:47:07.760 person who thought

00:47:08.480 that.

00:47:08.640 There are

00:47:09.200 others and

00:47:10.100 that's how

00:47:10.540 I think for

00:47:12.200 the first time

00:47:12.660 people have

00:47:12.980 had the

00:47:13.260 courage to

00:47:14.180 come back

00:47:14.740 and do

00:47:15.240 these protests

00:47:16.220 which beforehand

00:47:17.240 they wouldn't

00:47:17.820 have done

00:47:18.060 because they

00:47:18.440 don't want to

00:47:18.780 be associated

00:47:19.320 with the

00:47:19.780 thugs that 0.96

00:47:21.360 you were

00:47:22.100 mentioning before

00:47:22.760 because especially

00:47:24.020 the Brits have

00:47:25.240 an innate

00:47:26.880 dislike of

00:47:28.920 anything that

00:47:29.460 is perceived

00:47:30.120 as being

00:47:30.540 extremist.

00:47:31.480 Look,

00:47:31.720 we've got about

00:47:32.280 two or three

00:47:33.020 minutes left and

00:47:33.960 I just want to

00:47:34.680 flag up a

00:47:35.720 phrase that you

00:47:36.600 used in your

00:47:37.340 last paragraph

00:47:38.460 for this

00:47:38.820 article which

00:47:39.280 is absolutely

00:47:39.660 brilliant.

00:47:40.160 I don't know

00:47:40.400 if you coined

00:47:40.880 it yourself,

00:47:42.540 asymmetric

00:47:44.000 multiculturalism.

00:47:46.280 But that is

00:47:46.820 absolutely brilliant.

00:47:47.680 Could you just

00:47:48.180 explain what that

00:47:49.400 is?

00:47:49.640 That's Eric

00:47:51.340 Hoffman,

00:47:51.860 the esteemed

00:47:52.800 academic and

00:47:55.160 author that I've

00:47:56.600 written about

00:47:57.080 his thesis

00:47:58.440 before.

00:47:59.120 But it's

00:47:59.460 brilliant.

00:47:59.820 It's in his

00:48:00.220 book,

00:48:01.400 White Shift,

00:48:02.320 and it's

00:48:02.680 definitely worth

00:48:03.300 reading.

00:48:05.780 Could you

00:48:06.340 just give me

00:48:07.080 two minutes

00:48:08.020 on what the

00:48:08.500 thesis is

00:48:09.020 behind asymmetric

00:48:10.200 multiculturalism? 0.50

00:48:12.120 It's basically

00:48:12.960 that modern

00:48:15.560 diverse states

00:48:16.560 basically rest

00:48:17.720 on rules where

00:48:21.040 the majority

00:48:21.540 and minority

00:48:22.360 groups basically

00:48:23.440 are treated in

00:48:25.580 completely different

00:48:26.100 ways.

00:48:26.840 In Britain, 0.69

00:48:27.440 this has become

00:48:28.000 the two-tier

00:48:28.820 justices,

00:48:30.000 two-tier

00:48:30.720 care kind

00:48:31.820 of theme.

00:48:33.740 You know,

00:48:33.960 minority

00:48:34.400 identity has

00:48:35.520 to be celebrated,

00:48:36.540 majority

00:48:37.000 nationalism has

00:48:37.900 to be suppressed.

00:48:40.640 The prejudice

00:48:42.420 within those

00:48:43.200 different communities

00:48:43.820 is treated in

00:48:44.860 a very different

00:48:45.240 way.

00:48:45.540 I mean,

00:48:46.160 like a lot

00:48:46.780 of these ideas,

00:48:47.620 it was basically

00:48:48.540 devised in

00:48:49.260 Soviet Union.

00:48:50.020 They had exactly

00:48:50.540 the same system

00:48:51.180 where Russian

00:48:52.160 national identity

00:48:52.860 was suppressed

00:48:53.460 and the Soviets

00:48:56.160 encouraged minority

00:48:57.300 national identity

00:48:58.900 as a kind

00:48:59.320 of counterweight.

00:49:01.120 And that's

00:49:01.780 basically what

00:49:02.240 we've got.

00:49:02.660 You know,

00:49:04.280 this British

00:49:05.040 state is

00:49:05.500 terrified of

00:49:06.800 majority

00:49:09.360 nationalism

00:49:09.980 and all

00:49:10.780 its,

00:49:11.420 you know,

00:49:11.600 even our

00:49:12.180 anti-extremism

00:49:13.340 network is

00:49:15.160 devised towards

00:49:16.280 tracking

00:49:17.600 supposedly

00:49:18.580 nationalist

00:49:19.100 sentiments

00:49:20.180 amongst the

00:49:20.820 young white

00:49:21.120 guys,

00:49:21.420 even though

00:49:21.700 Islam extremism 0.68

00:49:22.500 is way more 0.52

00:49:23.480 of a natural

00:49:24.180 threat,

00:49:25.140 because that is

00:49:26.440 what a system

00:49:26.820 does.

00:49:28.060 And that is

00:49:29.020 what the system

00:49:29.600 is, I suppose,

00:49:30.820 most scared of,

00:49:31.720 and probably

00:49:32.240 with good reason.

00:49:33.800 But it's not,

00:49:35.080 it cannot last

00:49:35.680 indefinitely.

00:49:36.200 You cannot treat

00:49:37.080 two communities

00:49:37.880 in a different

00:49:38.380 way forever.

00:49:39.340 This doesn't

00:49:39.800 work as an

00:49:41.160 idea or

00:49:41.620 principle.

00:49:43.220 You can't if

00:49:44.120 the community

00:49:45.240 that you're

00:49:46.580 pouring

00:49:47.860 scorn is

00:49:48.680 actually still

00:49:49.680 just about

00:49:50.580 the numerical

00:49:51.080 majority.

00:49:52.920 Final word

00:49:53.780 to you,

00:49:54.520 Ed West.

00:49:55.000 Do you

00:49:55.560 think these

00:49:56.080 protests are

00:49:56.780 going to

00:49:57.020 diminish with

00:49:57.880 the passage

00:49:58.680 of time,

00:49:59.460 or will

00:49:59.660 they start

00:50:00.000 to increase?

00:50:01.780 Well, you

00:50:02.060 have to take

00:50:02.460 into account

00:50:02.900 the British

00:50:03.320 weather.

00:50:03.900 So every

00:50:04.800 single revolution

00:50:05.440 Britain has 0.95

00:50:05.960 ever had has

00:50:06.760 been stopped

00:50:07.460 by the rain.

00:50:08.080 So, no, I

00:50:10.480 think, I mean,

00:50:11.000 in the long

00:50:11.420 term, the

00:50:12.180 discontent and,

00:50:14.920 as you say,

00:50:15.700 the role of

00:50:16.100 social media,

00:50:16.760 it's ironic

00:50:17.240 that in 2011

00:50:18.640 Western

00:50:20.300 commentators

00:50:20.960 were saying

00:50:21.320 about how

00:50:21.800 social media

00:50:22.400 was going to

00:50:22.820 lead to a

00:50:23.460 big change

00:50:24.000 in the Arab

00:50:24.480 world.

00:50:25.040 And I think

00:50:26.200 it's probably

00:50:26.700 having quite a

00:50:27.820 big effect in

00:50:28.580 Europe right now,

00:50:30.240 which no one

00:50:31.260 probably foresaw

00:50:32.420 in the same

00:50:32.900 kind of way.

00:50:34.360 I think in the

00:50:35.020 short term of the

00:50:35.560 winter things

00:50:36.020 will die down,

00:50:36.560 but the kind

00:50:37.500 of basic

00:50:37.860 problems are

00:50:38.460 there and

00:50:39.140 ultimately

00:50:39.700 getting worse.

00:50:42.440 Ed West, I

00:50:43.280 think I've been

00:50:44.240 following you on

00:50:45.420 Substack.

00:50:46.000 You've got some

00:50:46.720 great writing

00:50:47.500 there.

00:50:47.980 Where do people

00:50:48.660 go on social

00:50:49.380 media?

00:50:51.000 No, no, no.

00:50:52.100 It's absolutely

00:50:53.120 fantastic.

00:50:53.820 I love reading

00:50:54.860 your app, but

00:50:55.500 where do people

00:50:56.400 go on social

00:50:57.500 media and

00:50:59.100 Substack to

00:50:59.800 keep up with

00:51:00.760 your analysis?

00:51:02.380 My Substack

00:51:03.100 address is just

00:51:03.880 edwest.co.uk

00:51:05.040 and my

00:51:05.780 Twitter is just

00:51:07.160 edwest.

00:51:07.740 I mean, I

00:51:08.060 think I'm a

00:51:08.540 blues guy, but

00:51:09.180 I stopped using

00:51:10.120 it after about

00:51:10.640 a week.

00:51:11.180 So, you

00:51:11.860 know, but

00:51:12.520 yeah, go to

00:51:13.180 Twitter.

00:51:15.060 Great.

00:51:15.620 Ed West, very,

00:51:16.460 very grateful.

00:51:17.040 I hope you'll

00:51:17.280 come back on

00:51:18.020 the show at

00:51:19.220 some point in

00:51:19.920 the future to

00:51:20.480 keep us impressed

00:51:21.180 with your

00:51:21.820 writings.

00:51:23.160 Thank you.

00:51:23.500 Thanks, Ed.

00:51:23.920 Thanks very much

00:51:24.420 indeed.

00:51:25.100 That's all we've

00:51:25.580 got time for

00:51:26.140 now.

00:51:26.720 We'll be back

00:51:27.860 at 10 a.m.

00:51:28.940 tomorrow.

00:51:29.620 Thanks to

00:51:30.100 Vittorio

00:51:30.800 Santifranco for

00:51:32.560 his help putting

00:51:33.500 the show together,

00:51:34.440 to Spencer and

00:51:35.140 his great team at

00:51:35.900 Real America's 0.58

00:51:36.960 Voice, and of

00:51:38.200 course, Cameron

00:51:38.680 Wallace, our

00:51:39.260 producer.

00:51:41.100 Thank you.

00:51:41.580 Thank you.

Bannon's War Room - September 05, 2025

WarRoom Battleground EP 844： Updates From The UK And Spain On The Growing Anti-INVADER Protests Flaring Up

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