On September 10th, journalist Charlie Kirk was shot and killed in his own home in Northern Ireland. On the morning of the anniversary of his death, his family and friends gathered to pay their respects to the fallen journalist.
00:01:00.000Folks, this is the first show we've taped since Charlie Kirk was struck down, gunned down last week.
00:01:11.000Let's bring up Jenny and Frank now because we've decided what we're going to do is we'll open this show today with a prayer for Charlie, for the repose of his soul, for his wife and children, for everyone at Real America's Voice and everyone at the RAV family.
00:04:27.260This is a Chaldean Christian, which is a Catholic that had escaped ISIS in Iraq with his sister, and he was living in France.
00:04:37.720And he was, I guess what we call a podcaster.
00:04:41.200He would stream live on TikTok, and he would talk about Catholic things.
00:04:45.340And he was, everybody said he was very, you know, mild mannered, he had no enemies.
00:04:53.780This was, you know, this wasn't, like Charlie, a huge, big, enormous thing.
00:04:57.380This was an average, everyday Catholic doing what he thought he could do to help.
00:05:03.240And he was, there was, somebody followed him to his house and stabbed him in the neck, like we've seen lately.
00:05:11.680And he actually died on camera, bleeding.
00:05:17.880And he, while he was on camera, his sister was out shopping, and she didn't have her phone, I suppose, and she didn't know.
00:05:25.920But all kinds of people were texting, saying that they saw him, and by the time the people arrived, after everybody was crying to get a hold of him, he was already dead.
00:05:35.260But the police, and I think this is very typical, they said they don't really, they don't really have any leads.
00:05:41.380Somebody has video of him in a hoodie and a dark outfit, but they don't have any leads, and they don't want to say anything about it.
00:05:47.940And I think that the media has been, you know, sort of kind of quiet about this, kind of mute about it.
00:05:53.620He had received threats in the past, and, you know, it's just, I think it's typical, and politically, Marine Le Pen, who is really probably the most popular politician in France, but is not in power.
00:06:08.080She condemned it, but, and the, I think the foreign minister, the interior minister, he mentioned it.
00:06:16.040But, you know, there, yeah, Bruno, Bruno Ritalo, he talked about protecting Christian places of worship, but very, I think very little is being done about this.
00:07:04.400And it's just a matter of the numbers, I believe.
00:07:08.100As far as I understand, he also, sorry, he also, uh, on TikTok in Arabic.
00:07:13.820So he was discussing the Christian faith to his audience in Arabic, which I think no doubt was, um, a factor or certainly a provocation in, in a religious sense.
00:07:26.000Um, not that we, not that it's been confirmed who killed him.
00:09:10.920You know, the Pope just made a statement recently to the people at Lampedusa Island that are all flooding into Europe saying that he hopes to be with them soon.
00:09:20.360The powers that be are going to permit more of this.
00:09:55.060And you know that even in the United States, the bishops are always telling everybody that it's a sin.
00:09:59.940That, uh, they're saying just recently, uh, that the head of the USCCB immigration area said that, um, you know, people who work for ICE can't even be, they should consider not going to communion.
00:10:10.940That's a mortal sin, perhaps, to work for immigration.
00:10:15.660Now, Leo has just started his, his, um, talk about, even though he's brought up immigration over and over and over, um, he, he, you know, this Lampedusa visit, like Francis did right when Francis became Pope, that's coming.
00:10:27.360So he'll be down there on that island, which is really an island, a stopping point for Muslims to come into Europe.
00:10:34.320How, how, how is a country like France supposed to prosecute when you have so many, when you have, you passed a critical mass of people and they're, they're so different than you that your very words require death.
00:10:47.560What we're supposed to fill, you know, we're supposed to Islamicize Christian Europe and, and, and put all of these people at risk.
00:10:54.900Like this is just a, you know, in China, they just made this kind of thing that this man did illegal for all priests.
00:11:16.260This is a new moderate conservative, moderate traditionalist Pope, you know, citing as all of Trad Inc. is doing the fact that Leo has given permission to Cardinal Burke to celebrate the traditional Latin mass in St. Peter's.
00:11:32.260At the same time as Cardinal Burke will be Cardinal Zuppi, he's going to also be, and they don't ever mention that, but Cardinal Zuppi is, is like the, uh, uh, point man for the San Egidio group, which is sort of like a, another Catholic, well-founded operation to create channels, you know, of migrants going through Europe where it makes it difficult to help them legally get funneled into different parts of Europe.
00:11:57.260That's also happening with Cardinal, at Cardinal Burke's mass.
00:12:01.780So, you know, they, they say many over and over again, from both, on both sides of the pond that migrants have the face of Christ, like Mary and Joseph, and it would be a sin not to permit more, but, but you have a cultural difference that is, is actually deadly, which we're finding out in other, you know, with Charlie Kirk too, we're finding that in the United States.
00:12:22.500We're finding that with the, with the massacre at the school in the Catholic school in Minnesota and the one before in Nashville, that the idea, the actual, that these transsexuals have sort of a religious animosity towards Christianity.
00:12:36.440Just before we move on, Frank, all of the world, quite rightly, has been talking about the, the, the slaying of Charlie Kirk, a guy who wasn't Catholic, um, who was Protestant, but he very coherently and convincingly lived out publicly his Christian faith.
00:13:26.380You know, I mean, I think that, I think that the left was completely shocked by the response to this Charlie Kirk assassination all over the world.
00:13:34.020I mean, billions of people were interested in this and he definitely had a strong Christian witness.
00:13:40.920And while everybody was making a statement that the head of the Catholic church, you would think would have, you know, some skin in the game here, that he would be interested in seeing and, and, and, uh, in protecting Catholics said nothing.
00:13:55.160He gave an interview about how he's getting used to being a world leader, but he didn't, he didn't do anything that a world leader would know.
00:14:01.520Any world leader would do just out of human decency.
00:14:04.920And it took the new ambassador from Trump's white house to go there and meet with him and realize very quietly that he actually said something.
00:14:13.880He said that he meant, but he didn't do that.
00:14:20.080That's a sort of a hearsay, a second in command.
00:14:22.820I think it was, I think it was a little bit of damage control coming from, uh, people in the white house that hope that Leo would somehow appeal to their constituents.
00:14:30.860I think it was a shame and, but, but they're, they're hyping it.
00:14:36.480You know, you see, they're making like big memes out of it now.
00:14:39.580Leo said something about Charlie Kirk, but it was really just, uh, you know, it was something that was relayed by the ambassador.
00:15:03.040Jenny, we'll just be coming to you in a couple of moments to hear more about what happened in Belfast over the last few days.
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00:17:57.840I guess by the turnout there, people in Ireland did know who Charlie was and were sufficiently moved to come and pay their respects.
00:18:06.340Where was that conference, that street protest conference commemoration taking place?
00:18:12.320It was taking place directly in front of Belfast City Hall, which is a very traditional location for all rallies and protests.
00:18:22.100Every weekend, I think still to this day, the pro-Palestinians take over the city center and march past the city hall.
00:18:29.980So, we reclaimed a small space for the side of sanity on Saturday.
00:18:35.760The rally was organized by a party called the Traditional Union as Voice, which is a political party with councillors and local representatives.
00:18:47.260And they are considered by the liberal establishment to be beyond the pale, quote-unquote, far right.
00:18:55.820But actually, the people in the crowd were, and I said this in the speech, extremely politically diverse.
00:19:02.320There's people like me who were former lefties.
00:19:04.460There was gay men, gay women, a lot of people who loved Charlie, not because they agreed with everything he said,
00:19:13.560but because he was so sound and he was so consistent on the basic reality of that fact that men cannot be women.
00:19:20.340So, I was getting messages all week last week from TERFs, as we call them here in the UK, trends, exclusionary, radical feminists,
00:19:27.400devastated at Charlie's assassination.
00:19:29.920So, whilst there was a very, TUV is closely associated with evangelical Protestantism,
00:19:38.800and they're very, very devout of various Protestant denominations,
00:19:45.600this was, this is, it showed once again that the true political and ideological diversity exists only on the right.
00:19:55.360There is no place for any divergence on the left.
00:20:01.740Everyone on the left and on the liberal side has to be singing from the same hymn sheet,
00:20:06.680but on the right you find people who, if you approach them in good faith,
00:20:11.820will absolutely listen to you and hear you out and can make common cause with you.
00:20:16.120So, overall, the mood at the rally, because it was explicitly a memorial in honour of Charlie Kirk and his incredible work,
00:20:25.480the mood was somber, but I have to say, very, very resolute.
00:21:40.980They are not representing what I think is the majority opinion of sort of common sense, everyday people.
00:21:49.140And so, really, this torch has been picked up by the, quote, unquote, Protestant side.
00:21:54.520I mean, the, and this was the same during COVID as well.
00:21:58.320It was parties like the TUV and other, like, very sort of hardline, quote, unquote, unionist parties that stood against the COVID mandates.
00:22:05.820The Catholic side has really dropped the ball, and they're nowhere to be found.
00:22:11.920Whether or not, though, I mean, there were certainly people of Catholic faith in attendance.
00:22:18.440But, you know, it wasn't, it was more of a kind of overarching Christian theme.
00:22:23.820And nobody here, no, no loyalist party here wants to return to the sectarian violence that saw 3,000 lives brutally ended over what was essentially identity politics.
00:22:40.000I mean, everyone says it was, I mean, it's perceived as a religious conflict.
00:23:37.380It's why the war room exists, because we're trying, we're out there trying to give people back their sense of agency, which is essential, because, as I say, it's not going to come from the Catholic hierarchy.
00:23:49.720They're all firmly over working in the devil's corner of the vineyard.
00:23:55.360But, Jenny, just on this subject, though, on the Northern Ireland situation and this commemoration, tell me something.
00:24:06.240How powerful has the fact been that Charlie was killed properly, really, at his signature event, the Prove Me Wrong University debate series, where people could go and, you know, very few people on the left will say, Prove Me Wrong, in a public setting.
00:24:29.060Here's Charlie, he did this all the time, proved me wrong, and he was gunned down in the grip of someone in this ferocious, irrational anger, hatred, by the way, is the word of it.
00:24:42.360Just in the final two minutes of this segment, how much is that point filtering through to people in Northern Ireland here?
00:24:50.780The fact that here you have a guy that the left was calling fascist, saying, I'm here for debate, I'm here for dialogue, and killed by people who are always put forward as the exponents of dialogue, who just didn't want the debate.
00:25:15.340I mean, the message couldn't be clearer.
00:25:17.380He was shot in the throat while speaking truth, and speaking truth very powerfully.
00:25:22.880I think that, however, much like the rest of the West, those who know and believe in his message know and see the significance of it.
00:25:32.740On the other side, however, I'm seeing a lot of these sort of propagandistic lies being spread on social media about how he was actually killed by a MAGA fan or, like, a gun nut.
00:25:45.120So, you know, it's a really, it's a very similar situation.
00:25:48.960Like, the problem lies with the liberal left and their inability to face reality and inability to have any kind of dialogue in good faith.
00:26:00.140They must always return to smears and lies because fundamentally the truth is not on their side.
00:26:07.420So the only reaction you ever get from them are, is lies and hysteria and slander.
00:26:15.360You know, Charlie Kirk had a lot of young fans here in Northern Ireland, a lot of young men and young women.
00:26:19.880There was a lot of young people in that crowd.
00:26:22.640But they know, they know, they know what happened.
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00:31:15.700Well, one of the dynamics that we talk about constantly on the war room is the fact that most of our institutions, most of the media, most of those who are in charge of promoting and pushing culture seem to be on the left.
00:31:29.520And arguably are pushing a line very much within the satanic, if I might put it like that, points of principle.
00:31:50.700But conversely, at the same time as that dynamic, there's another dynamic, which is a thirst for God.
00:32:00.360And here in the West, this is particularly noticeable right now.
00:32:04.260You see many, many, you know, young kids who 10 years ago perhaps would not have been that interested in Christianity, certainly in the UK, coming out from the front and leading this campaign to paint the flag of St. George, the white background, the Red Cross and the white background.
00:32:30.780You have the spiritual attacks coming from the fact that most of our governance seems to be in the hands of the devil.
00:32:42.960And conversely, you have a lot of people now searching for God.
00:32:47.840And one of these, I think, places where this is taking place, these two currents are running into one another, is on AI, on the Internet, on social media.
00:32:57.200And a couple of people, quite a few people recently have been suggesting that the devil might actually be behind and integrated within AI.
00:33:09.900Jenny, there's this story in the New York Times that says millions are turning to chatbots for guidance from on high.
00:33:22.460Tell me a bit about this article, the main thesis, and then tell me whether you think this is a good thing, a dangerous thing, or possibly at this stage, both.
00:33:36.320Yeah, I think at this stage, both is probably the most succinct answer.
00:33:44.540I was really, really gobsmacked by this.
00:33:47.920Because on the one, so the story is about the popularity of religious apps, and there are tens of millions of subscribers and downloads.
00:33:59.580And on the one hand, these apps, especially the ones that incorporate chatbots and chat GPT and AI, so users can message and they will get a response on religious matters.
00:34:16.080There is something very, very dystopian about that.
00:34:20.800Imagine sitting up late at night, texting into your app, you know, hello, God, are you there?
00:34:29.080And God, who knows what is powering this response?
00:34:32.960I mean, large language models are large language models.
00:34:35.840But there is something very sinister about it, and it feels very much like sort of a science fiction horror story.
00:34:44.600But actually, when you read the article, there's some extremely illuminating data points in there.
00:34:51.160One of which was that at one point, I think last year, Halo, which is an app that I actually use and subscribe to, had the number one spot on the Apple App Store.
00:35:04.280That means it was higher in downloads than Netflix, Instagram, and TikTok.
00:35:13.680If Halo can compete with TikTok, which I think presents the sort of polar opposite in terms of the, you know, the ghost in the machine, the TikTok ecosystem is very creepy and very, you know, often very malignant.
00:35:31.400And Halo is, you know, Bible verses and the rosary and all these things.
00:35:38.540So the fact that there is such a need for this and such a strong desire for this is incredibly positive.
00:35:48.120I think that's something to celebrate.
00:36:46.160A woman logged in to ask for comfort, and the chatbot gave her a psalm, and she said it was very helpful in her moment of need.
00:36:56.720And I have to say, guys, I'm getting more Bible and scripture from this app that is being quoted in the New York Times than I have heard from anything out of the Vatican and the Pope this entire summer, all these months that we've been doing this show.
00:37:14.760Every time I look to the Vatican content, it's all these platitudes and received wisdom and conventional takes.
00:37:24.060And I've never heard one time in all of these things, any of them actually quoting from the Bible or talking about God or Jesus.
00:37:32.160So whilst there's absolutely something dark about chat, GPT, and large language models sort of assuming the role of God, that is a terrifying proposition,
00:37:46.580I've also heard very alarming stories about chatbots that sort of go off the reservation somewhat and end up saying very sinister things to young people.
00:37:56.860And those stories are truly, truly horrifying.
00:38:00.260But, you know, I mean, if these people are getting Bible verses, there's something to be said for that.
00:38:28.920The amazing thing, I agree, is that there's such a need for this.
00:38:32.400There's such a need for this that people would go to these kind of crazy, this seems crazy efforts, but they have no familiarity with religion at all.
00:38:50.980But you're right that it's sinister because there's a move today for them to, for the left to build what they stole from us, you know.
00:39:00.720So they want to get in the middle of this, and they want to make sure they have control over it.
00:39:04.900Just like they've kind of stolen the Catholic Church, and they've put a Pope who is a Pope of this new religion that doesn't mention anything Catholic.
00:39:13.160That only mentions, makes sins out of things that are political things and aren't helpful at all.
00:39:17.540So I think that's what this is all about, and we always wonder, why does it keep coming back?
00:39:24.960And in the piece there, Father Mike Smith says, you know, they have record of all this.
00:39:29.840You can't really go to confession this way.
00:39:31.920But I think they want to make, I read David Horowitz, late David Horowitz said once, the radical is great at destroying things.
00:39:39.940But they're not really, they don't really have any good ideas about building the new things back, the new world that they're trying to create.
00:39:45.140They kind of fall down there, and that's what this is.
00:39:47.320This is trying to create this new, you know, media kind of type of AI world they can have control over, and a whole new religion.
00:39:57.080And unfortunately, the Catholic Church is quite a part of it.
00:42:33.140I mean, you know, where is the really hard leadership?
00:42:36.680Why did he not say what was causing the erosion of the family and society?
00:42:42.240Instead, he just goes through with these platitudes and these vague statements that it's very hard to disagree with.
00:42:48.200And, I mean, this is exactly what the Church of England does.
00:42:50.660This is exactly what the leadership just – our government leadership does as well.
00:42:55.100I mean, it's almost indistinguishable from this sort of lib dem, you know, happy, clappy, oh, why can't we all get along vibe of the centrists in politics.
00:44:15.640And that – we can see now from this what he said here by referring to Musk, who retweeted back to him today and told him, take the log out of your own eye, which is very relevant.
00:44:25.860You can see from – that this encyclical is going to be completely political.
00:44:30.720It's going to be a political hammer to hit back at – and that's why he was the same way with Charlie Kirk.
00:44:38.060He's the pope of left-wing politics, and that's his job.
00:44:43.100We – he is the honorary chaplain of the New World Order, as was his predecessor, the late unlamented Bergoglio.
00:44:53.640That's all we've got time for on that segment.
00:44:55.620We could chew this one over for the whole hour.
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00:46:40.360Guys, I just want to say one thing to tie some of these things that we've been discussing on the show together.
00:46:51.020You're going to have a situation when, say look at the UK, including Northern Ireland, right?
00:46:59.720You're going to have a situation in the next couple of years where people are going to be so fired up about protecting their cultural identity, their homeland from all forms of undermining coming out of the invasion.
00:47:17.860But not only the invasion. Tens of thousands of young kids, they're going to be completely unchurched, but they know they are going to identify very strongly as Christian.
00:47:27.160And they're going to come knocking at the doors of churches, of the Church of England, of the Catholic Church, right?
00:47:39.080Our priests and our pastors need to be ready for this and need to take this opportunity that I think Christ is giving them to regrow Christianity here in what used to be called Christendom.
00:47:54.820But I have the fear, you know, listen to what you're saying, Jenny, listen to what you're saying, Frank.
00:48:00.340I have this fear in the bottom of my heart that that door is going to be slammed firmly in their faces, which would be a great tragedy and a great waste,
00:48:10.700especially as, Jenny, as you're just exposing to us on the back of an article in all places, the New York Times, just how strong this thirst is for God.
00:48:22.660You know, there's a thirst that only God can respond to.
00:48:27.520It is interesting. I was going to say earlier when you were talking about just the wishy-washy platitudes coming out of the Vatican.
00:48:34.260I think this is why Islam is doing so well, because it offers certainty, relative simplicity behind its...
00:48:45.260I've said before, Islam is a false religion. It's not founded on the divine revelation of God to mankind.
00:48:53.620But Muslims live that faith very coherently, very credibly, and that coherence is, to use the word evangelizing, people see that and they respond to it.
00:49:07.240They respond to it positively because man is made to respond to seeing people live their faith coherently.
00:49:14.780Can I add something to that? It's also very... They're very confident in their belief.
00:49:21.420They're very confident in openly expressing it, to put it mildly.
00:49:26.100And what happens when Christians are... Confidently express those beliefs?
00:49:32.200Other so-called Christians or other even non-woke liberals try and tear them down
00:49:39.900and try and portray them as some sort of crypto-fascist, shadowy, Christian nationalist entity.
00:49:49.580So we are shaming our own side, essentially, when especially young people want to be bold and brave
00:49:58.000and trumpet their true and authentic belief.
00:50:04.180People who are supposedly on their own side then go and tear them down.
00:50:09.200This is a grave problem in the West in general, and it's very hard to move forward in making common cause
00:50:17.000and a united front when, you know, people who are supposed to be on our own side
00:50:22.200are trying to prevent us, malign us, or shut us down.
00:50:27.520Yeah, we are very much being kicked in the back of our knees by people who ought to be leading the way.
00:50:33.840Too many high-link shepherds, not enough shepherds.
00:50:37.260Jenny, where do people go on social media to catch up with your analysis?
00:50:41.860Best place is Substack, which is jennieeholland.substack.com.
00:50:46.760And you can also find me on X at semperfemina21.
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