On September 10th, Charlie Kirk was brutally assassinated in front of what is effectively the world s attention thanks to social media. But perhaps what people didn t quite expect at that moment in time was how his martyrdom was inspiring revival not only in the United Kingdom, but right across the world. That s what we re going to be looking into this evening.
00:01:00.000Well, on the 10th of September, when Charlie Kirk was brutally assassinated in front of what is effectively became,
00:01:08.000thanks to social media, the world's attention.
00:01:11.000Perhaps it wasn't unexpected the degree, the outpouring of grief that was going to follow.
00:01:18.000But perhaps what people didn't quite expect at that moment in time was how Charlie's death, how his martyrdom is inspiring revival,
00:01:29.000not only in the United States, but right across the world.
00:01:32.000That's what we're going to be looking into this evening.
00:01:35.000That is to say, perhaps people might have expected the outpouring of grief, but they might also have expected it to finish there once the grief had subsided somewhat.
00:01:47.000In fact, day by day, the revival, this momentum behind the revival seems to be growing.
00:01:53.000Let's go to my beloved homeland, the United Kingdom first.
00:01:57.000Jenny Holland, you have some interesting analysis on something that the Daily Telegraph produced today, right?
00:02:06.000That's right. The Daily Telegraph has an interesting story about a Christian revival in the United Kingdom being fueled by Charlie Kirk's violent death.
00:02:18.000And some of the numbers it uses are numbers we've actually already discussed in the show from the Bible Society that showed that 18 to 24 year old church attendance, monthly church attendance, had gone up from 4% in 2018 to 16% this year.
00:02:38.000And that the similar numbers in terms of 24 to 38 year old, that was 13% now say they are churchgoers monthly as opposed to 4%.
00:02:50.000More interestingly, they speak to these young new congregants directly.
00:02:57.000And two of them, one man and one young man and one young woman in particular pointed to Charlie Kirk's teachings and advocacy on behalf of marriage and sort of more traditional sex roles.
00:03:14.000One young man said that young men didn't really know how to be anymore and what they're supposed to be, which in and of itself is a really tragic statement.
00:03:23.000And he said they also don't know how to relate to women anymore.
00:03:27.000Similarly, a young woman experienced Charlie Kirk as a brilliant positive way of saying to young people how a man should be a man and a woman should be a woman.
00:03:40.000This is a really interesting viewpoint because it just shows, first of all, how much secular liberalism has failed young people.
00:03:50.000If they are not getting this sort of very foundational education that wouldn't even really have been considered an education before because it was just how society works and all of these roles were modeled in society.
00:04:03.000So there was a lot to be happy about in this article, though, of course, it's couched in very biased, loaded terminology.
00:04:09.000And it does try and inject a little bit of Christian nationalism boogeyman, which I don't know if MAGA is aware, but that's certainly a that's a cudgel with which liberals like to be at progressives like to beat MAGA about the head with.
00:04:23.000And so, you know, I mean, you love to see at least some acknowledgement of the positive aspects of MAGA as it pertains to young people.
00:04:35.000And this desperately needed sane morality that Charlie Kirk not only spoke of, but lived and represented in his life.
00:04:45.000And it's but it's kind of a tale of two extremes. Right.
00:04:49.000Because another thing I saw today was the absolute polar opposite of that, like talk about the darkness versus the light.
00:04:56.000And Megan Kelly drew the world's attention to something that had gone almost unremarked upon.
00:05:02.000She did a segment this yesterday, I believe, on an Etsy or sorry, a Jezebel article that was posted online on September 8th.
00:05:14.000And if your reader or viewers don't know, Jezebel is a sort of like a bit of a snarky hipster zine type website that was very popular maybe 15, 20 years ago among sort of like New York media set.
00:05:28.000And as the name indicates, it sort of promotes this bad girl vibe.
00:05:35.000And they actually had a writer, although she didn't have the courage to put her byline on this piece.
00:05:41.000They had a writer go and, as the headline says, pay some Etsy witches to curse Charlie Kirk.
00:05:49.000Etsy, of course, being the kind of crafty DIY website that's super popular.
00:05:55.000I've bought things off it myself. I've little gifts for children and whatnot.
00:05:59.000And apparently now you can buy the services of witches.
00:06:04.000Now, this the article itself has been taken was taken down in the aftermath of Kirk's death.
00:06:10.000First of all, they put a caveat saying that it was satire and they did not wish any physical harm upon him.
00:06:16.000And then they took it down altogether.
00:06:17.000But the Internet always remembers and it's still available on archives.
00:06:21.000And it attempts to be tongue in cheek.
00:06:25.000But what it really shows is this casual cruelty and this very shallow and sort of glib, sarcastic, nihilistic vibe that so many young women and young men, too.
00:06:42.000But in this case, let's focus on the women are really sort of proudly flaunting.
00:06:48.000And it's she goes through this entire process of finding the witch and paying the witch money and how the curse worked.
00:06:58.000And, you know, she says things like she didn't want she only wanted like a sort of minor annoyances like bad skin or a teleprompter that didn't work and to ruin his day and sort of minor ways.
00:07:11.000But she's celebrating the sort of feminist power, she says, of the Etsy coven.
00:07:17.000And to know that that would ruin his day would bring this writer her life's greatest joy.
00:07:24.000And she's very chillingly said that she's doing this.
00:07:27.000Yeah, Jenny, Jenny, let's pause there, because there's quite a bit that you've that you've been through the last five minutes.
00:07:35.000And I just want to do a synthesis of this to see if I've understood it correctly.
00:07:39.000So on the one half and the first half of what you were saying, you're talking about this revival, this astonishing growth.
00:07:45.000And I think the Daily Telegraph was specifically breaking down.
00:07:49.000It wasn't the Catholic Church. It wasn't the Church of England.
00:09:56.000And God only knows what they're going to, you know, when these people, then these kids for the first time in their lives are going to knock on the church door, go in on a Sunday.
00:10:05.000Certainly in the Church of England ambit.
00:10:08.000And they're going to see perhaps a lesbian vicar there with green hair.
00:10:12.000Those guys are going to be out there like sort of like a bat out of hell.
00:10:17.000So the all three branches, Protestants, Catholics and evangelicals, they have a lot of those institutional churches have a lot of work to do very quickly.
00:10:29.000If they don't want to see what the Holy Spirit is producing, just sort of decay, fall to the ground and decay.
00:10:38.000These seeds have to have to have to be watered and find life very quickly.
00:10:43.000So that's the first thing. OK, the second thing is the curse.
00:10:47.000And this is what's going on on the other side of the spectrum amongst the youth, the increase in interest in the occult, which any Christian will realize this is straight up straight up a doorway into the satanic.
00:11:02.000Yeah. And I say this not to scandalize the audience in any way, but I just find it that these two extremes are connected.
00:11:15.000These two polar opposites, I should say, are very much connected, because I think that within the majority of people who have not been really genuinely brainwashed by so-called liberal secular values, they're anything but what liberalism really should be.
00:11:33.000But the people who are seeing these celebrations and these, like I said, very shallow and catty and glib, nonchalant curses being put upon a man who was then, two days after this was published, murdered in front of the world's eyes.
00:11:51.000Those people, those people, those people are being galvanized by seeing these, especially these women acting out and acting like witches and gleefully enjoying the suffering of an innocent family.
00:12:09.920That is driving young men and young women out of the arms of liberal secularism and into the doors of Christian churches across the West.
00:12:23.900This is an incredibly galvanizing moment to say that, you know, I think, I think it has to give us all pause to, and I say this as a person who's still very secular to, to see that this article was posted on the 8th of September.
00:12:39.920And ends with, and ends with, with the words from the witch, you will see results of my curse in two to three weeks.
00:12:48.320And have that within two to three weeks, have the, the, the, the, the, the subject of this curse be murdered in front of all of our eyes, has to give pause even to the most secularly minded and materialistically minded people out there.
00:13:04.140There's a, it's a very chilling thing to think about.
00:13:08.840And again, what is the only alternative to that?
00:13:12.180Because there is no alternative to that in secular liberalism.
00:13:24.500We're all going to behave like respect, respectful adults.
00:13:27.720Nobody, nobody on the left, nobody on the liberal side is coming out and saying that.
00:13:33.040So who, who can these young people turn to when they're rightly appalled and disgusted and horrified by what progressivism has become, which is a manifestation of, of, of the, of demonic energy.
00:13:47.700Whether or not you genuinely think demonics are materially real or not, how else do you describe such an act as proudly boasting that you have put a hex on someone who is then murdered, taking down the article to cover your own behind, but leaving in the caveat that they reserve the right to republish it at a later time when the Ferrari over Kirk's death had died down.
00:14:11.980There is no other place for these young people to go.
00:14:14.440That's kind of how I felt, too, when I was really starting to look into the horrors of woke and the terrible things that it was doing to the minds of young people.
00:14:24.420I couldn't find in liberal secularism and in the intellectual discourse, quote unquote, of liberal secularism, I could not find any reasoned and calming influence.
00:14:39.600There was nothing that was satisfying. There was nothing meaty enough and robust enough to push back on that.
00:14:45.880And that's how I ended up finding my way towards Christianity, which is where I am now.
00:14:53.700Jenny, you've done a great service bringing this to light today on the show.
00:19:22.440Tell us, tell us, Frank, uh, talk us through the, um, the, this, one of the best speeches, I think, any president of America or any world leader has given at the UN, um, since it was founded.
00:19:35.200I would say that that was an example of real leadership, what happened, because he's so funny, you know, he, he, as a builder, he made a bid on a UN building in New York for half a million, I mean, half a billion dollars.
00:19:48.680And, uh, he told them that you're going to have overruns and they, and, uh, it ended up costing $5 billion.
00:19:55.200He made the UN looked, looked just terrible.
00:20:28.780He, he, he, um, touched on so many points that struck me that they were, they were the same kind of issues that Leo, the Pope uses as a, uh, as his religion, really.
00:20:40.540But you can't say that they both have the same religion.
00:20:42.720I mean, Trump touched on, on global, on global.
00:21:31.320Leo is all about justice, injustice in Europe that you're, you're, you're, you know, 50% of the people are from out of the country in the, in the jail, 72% in Switzerland.
00:21:42.060And, uh, and, and, and in, in the United States, you have the 300,000 children that are lost.
00:21:47.120You have the, the, all the, uh, all the, uh, all the, all the settling and of people, the trafficking.
00:21:52.220And he, and he, and he said something that I think is, is really key.
00:21:55.240He said that they're taking away your heritage.
00:21:58.180They're taking away your heritage and they're taking away, which, which to him also means religion.
00:22:03.300At the end of his, uh, of his talk, he, um, he said, let us stand for free speech and free expression.
00:22:09.520Let's protect religious liberty, including the most persecuted religion in the planet today.
00:32:38.640Tell us, what is the inestimable Chris Jackson's suggesting this time around?
00:32:46.340Well, I think we're seeing the Charlie Kirk effect.
00:32:49.560We actually saw it in what I would call the ban and beast mode of Donald Trump yesterday at the U.N., laying all the crimes of the U.N. at their feet.
00:33:01.380Climate change, the colossal damage of immigration.
00:33:05.540He called them out with courage, with fearlessness.
00:33:09.840We also saw something extremely unusual.
00:33:13.860You know, there's been prophecies that bishops would be fighting bishops.
00:33:16.920Well, it seems to me that we now see Catholic bishops in America pushing back on the ideology of the modernists, of the globalists, pushing back on Cardinal Cupich.
00:33:34.360Now we have bishops who are calling out the accolades that are being given to a pro-abort Catholic politician, one of the most well-known Dick Durbin.
00:33:46.220This, again, is, I think, the courage that, you know, Steve Bannon always talks about, courage is contagious.
00:33:54.580I think we are finally seeing that everybody has been given a voice since Charlie's voice has been silenced.
00:34:04.040And I think, you know, the grieving widow, Erica Kirk, talked about in ways that we haven't heard in 60 years, 70 years.
00:34:55.480They brought peace to the world through laying down their lives.
00:34:59.320And I think what we're now seeing, you know, certainly in Chris Jackson, Padre Peregrino has a blog.
00:35:08.320They're all pointing out and taking their lead from Charlie Kirk.
00:35:12.920You know, it takes a non-Catholic to see the faults of the Catholic Church.
00:35:19.280Charlie was, you know, very enthralled with the Catholic Church, had many dear friends who were Catholics.
00:35:25.420Many said that he was this far from becoming a Catholic, very close to coming into the Catholic Church.
00:35:32.920And yet his problem was with Pope Francis and with now Leo.
00:35:38.580And he called them out in their modernist ideology, in their failure to protect abortion around the world and not to speak out with a loud, clear voice.
00:35:50.480And, you know, that is what Charlie did.
00:35:53.840And I tend to believe that that revival that we saw on Sunday, that, you know, really all of us submitting to the will of God.
00:36:05.160And when Erica said that Charlie often said, here I am, Lord, use me, that that is being taken up not only by Donald Trump going into the belly of the beast, the UN, and throwing a rhetorical Molotov cocktail into that group and calling out all their diabolical plans to destroy humanity.
00:36:29.860But also, and hopefully this is a new beginning for the Catholic Church, that they will begin to see that it is right and actually their responsibility and duties as the hierarchy, as the princes of the church.
00:36:45.760To articulate the freedom of Christianity, the ability to become really saviors for Jesus Christ to fight.
00:36:58.340And, you know, Jenny was talking about this battle of good and evil, which we saw in Technicolor on September 10th.
00:37:08.020And what we saw the following Sunday is we saw that good is going to overcome evil, but it will only overcome it with a battle, with speaking out, with the ability for all Christians in America, around the world, now especially in Europe and England, to be able to articulate the belief in Jesus Christ and the courage to speak his gospel sayings.
00:37:55.880And Erica, standing at the foot of her cross, at the foot of her cross, gave everyone courage.
00:38:03.060And so it was truly a gift from God that this tragedy really turned into a revival of Christianity and a revival of the battle that is before us.
00:38:17.780And each one must take up their challenge, just like Charlie Kirk did.
00:38:22.740And so we're going to continue to see the gifts of Charlie Kirk continue, not only here in America, but throughout the world.
00:38:33.740I think there were two references to take it when Christ says, take up your cross and follow me.
00:38:40.000One of those references has the word daily in it.
00:38:43.240Take up your cross daily and follow me, which is, I think, the indication that the path of discipleship is ongoing.
00:38:55.520It's all the time. It's not simply a single decision to make at one point and say, yeah, OK,
00:39:02.460I'll be Christian. The work is ongoing, that that sacrifice, the self emptying into Jesus Christ is something that the Christian needs to work at constantly right throughout the course of life.
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00:39:20.360When we come back in two minutes, I'm going to ask you for a quick take on what Jenny was saying at the top of the show about the hex, the curse,
00:39:33.880whether the Christian, whether the Christian, whether the Christian, the various Christian communities, Catholic Church, Protestants, Evangelicals are sufficiently,
00:39:48.040whether it's part of the daily practice in spiritual life to see how engaged Satan is and how how willing he is to be summoned by people who want to do evil.
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