WarRoom Battleground EP 858： Dems Search For A Shtick As MAGA Is Now The Workers’ Voice, And Nigel Farage Looks Unstoppable in UK
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The abundance movement is a pro-growth, pro-pro-development movement that has emerged within the Democratic Party. It has become a powerful political force in the modern era, but is it really a bulwark against the economic and environmental problems it seeks to solve?
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this is the primal scream of a dying regime pray for our enemies because we're going to
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medieval on this people here's not got a free shot all these networks lying about the people
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the people have had a belly full of it i know you don't like hearing that i know you try to do
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everything in the world to stop that but you're not going to stop it it's going to happen and
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where do people like that go to share the big line mega media i wish in my soul i wish that any of
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these people had a conscience ask yourself what is my task and what is my purpose if that answer
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is to save my country this country will be saved war room here's your host stephen k band
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welcome ben harnwell here at the helm on steve bannon's war room perhaps you might have noticed
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talk within democratic quarters of the abundance movement but didn't quite know what it represented
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how it has emerged in the in in the democratic stream uh and what it's trying to achieve
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well they had their major first launch of abundance 2025 a couple of uh weeks ago and we
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have dave weigel here from semaphore one of the great daily newsletters that comes out of dci i
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subscribe to i read it all the time dave thanks for coming on the show you were there just start off
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with what is the abundance movement it is a good question because it is defined by both itself and
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its enemies as different things so uh the simplest political way to say this is that there are democrats
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in blue states mostly california new york who have realized that the environmental movement the degrowth
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movement the don't build anything in my backyard movement have made it impossible to build cheap housing
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and cheap energy for people and democrats in those states really got this abundance movement going
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saying the future that we want is a sci-fi future where you can achieve anything cheaply you can live
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in comfortable places you can see green things outside your house even if somebody else uh would like a
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bigger house that blocks your blocks out your plot let's build more condos and fewer parking lots
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that's how this started and had a lot of buy-in from silicon valley uh democrats who smaller smaller
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wing of the party than they used to be uh it has taken on more of a role in the debate of what
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democrats stand for because it is a pro-growth movement with donors who are not very left-wing
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and there's a sense the party and if it wants to compete become a big majority again it needs those
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people it can't kick them out in the way the biden administration did with a very uh strong
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regulatory regime that move silicon valley move those people out of the party um let's break this
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down a bit because a couple of the things here emerge from a study of the abundance movement and
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i very strongly flag this concept up to the warring posse to follow this because it's not going to be
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something that's going to go away straight away and it's an attempt to pitch a populist narrative
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with we're there within the democratic sphere as a parallel opposite to maga but i'm not in
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i'm not entirely sure it's actually going to land uh for a number of reasons but let's talk about what
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it is it defined you defined it as to what it's against and what it's for some of the things that
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self-consciously it's against would be the degrowth movement right yes degrowth movement
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uh well degrowth is is a really long-lived that's a newer brand for it but a very long-lived
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uh left-wing idea that has its roots in malthusianism its roots more recently in paul ehrlich and anti
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uh human population growth the idea that we have a fragile planet uh humans are a burden on the planet
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and we should be building slowly we should not be getting richer uh the abundance movement is is
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whatever whatever other politics it has capitalist believes in growth believes that human flourishing
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is important and it's very worried that the degrowthers in the democratic coalition are are
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hindering that and you've seen you've seen this in europe too they're the the green wing of red green
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coalitions anti-nuclear anti-growth it makes things more expensive and this has become a liability for
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every social democratic party uh in a western in a western nation the the worry that the democratic
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strategists have is when they lose power they lose it to populist conservatives who are both pro-growth
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economically and anti-immigration and so the the abundance movement wants more immigration more housing
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more energy just more of everything in a way that does change a country it is in a much more pluralist
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uh dynamic less nationalist way but they believe that that's the only way you can win if if so
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social democratic parties are anti-growth if if conservatives are offering you more flourishing
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more wealth more more space and they're offering you less they're going to lose that's the that's the
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concern at the heart of all this well that's one of the things that abundance is against uh the
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degrowth movement another thing would be woke right yes the woke infiltration right um do you think
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being so up front about its opposition to work is trying to become a vehicle to the anti-aoc tendency
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in the democrats a little bit although this there's been a debate in this country over whether abundance
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is set against uh let's say populism in the democratic party and there's some overlap there's some
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overlap overlap when it comes to uh we can define woke just pretty broadly when it comes to the idea
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that uh there should be very wide open gender identity laws that there should be uh it should be
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very easy to become a guest worker or a citizen if you're not born in the country those are not
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antagonistic to the abundance movement their antagonists are more both degrowthers and the
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populace who say no for human flourishing what we need is an aggressive government that breaks up big
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companies abundance doesn't really have a problem with large corporations with amazon existing with
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media mergers even existing uh the other kind of lena con bernie sanders elizabeth warren tendency
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in the party is to say no we're going to grow but we're going to grow by you having the government
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break up mega corporations create more competition create more diversity in media but diversity in
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everything we'll have more products because we're going to have more companies and fewer monopolies
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uh that's been the the debate the woke discussion it's i like the way you're asking these questions
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because they're the democratic party's ping-ponging between all these debates uh the woke discussion
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is actually a lot quieter inside the party they're not having a press conference or or or a three-day
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summit saying we need to stop saying woke things we need to get serious about how or i rethink how we
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talk about gender uh and access to women's spaces men's spaces that is a different debate happening and
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part of the idea here is a popular democratic party can carry along some of these pluralist ideas
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that are less popular for the rest of the electorate okay you can you can smoke you can have a few 20
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30 proposals if people say i'm voting for the democrats and they made me richer then they won't
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care so much uh if there's an abortion policy or gender policy they disagree with that is part of this
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that's where democrats have been coming from when asked how they're going to win again in the future
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it is how do we how do we come in populist party how do we tell voters that when conservatives talk
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about social issues they're they're trying to loot you they're trying to get to to redistribute taxes
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upwards to billionaires and away from you they need that that's that's what they're what they're trying
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to solve for here in in abundance is let's have a popular agenda so the rest of the progressive agenda
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can be packaged in with the democratic uh portfolio okay so now we we've really i think got a home in
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on what i think's going on here um if this is the if this is the democrats attempt to to muscle in on
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an alternative to the aoc bernie sanders type or mandami type of um populism
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it's in promising abundance basically what you want at prices you can afford via free market capitalism
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you think well hang on that's not really that's not really in the democrats dna is it this is this
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is really coke brothers philosophy uh that's being you know you can you can almost see what's happened
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because a lot of the people are financially backing this abundance movement have been driven out of
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by people like steve bannon right they've been pushed out and they've got all this money right
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okay so now we have all this money that we're trying to buy influence with no one in mago wants
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to take our phone calls what should we do with it so they put that out and you know like you've got the
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consultants you've got the fundraisers and the whole you know these guys you know if you if you are
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impressed in nature that a shark can can smell a trace of blood in the ocean from three miles that's
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nothing compared to these guys when it comes to getting getting benefactors money so they're
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basically the shtick is don't worry which which one died it was charles cock i think uh no charles
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cock the one who's still alive david coke yeah who died so you know that basically they gravitate
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gravitized they have um they're gravitizing towards the the coke brothers largesse saying don't worry if
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you didn't get this to land um in in the new gop we'll sell it for you in the democrat ambit instead
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uh because that's what the shtick of this is really you know that their idea that the coke brothers idea
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of populism is very much this that you know the free market will solve all your ills you want you
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want more houses we'll build more houses for you we know and how do you get to more houses where you
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you need you you need permitting uh uh you you need to have easy access to permitting you need to cut
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back on bureaucracy um so it's all it's all in the coke brothers libertarian agenda to some extent
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repackaged uh as an alternative the only thing that is missing are people like gavin newsom uh or
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the only thing it was missing were proponents within the democratic party that'd be prepared to use
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as a platform to try to to do a full frontal on the aoc momentum how how does that how does that
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analysis strike you well the analysis about the coke brothers is is obviously correct the stand
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together which is the big coke donor trust but there's a few coke don't trust but that's one of
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the more active political ones uh that was one of the sponsors at the conference there were people
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from that organization were at the conference and parts of the conference were off the record to the
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press the ones about permitting reform and some of what you were just talking about were among those
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uh but when you brought up gavin newsom this is the part of the abundance project that democrats are
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most comfortable with is newsom has been signing off on these reforms of california's 1970s environmental
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laws which were used by really everybody energy companies homeowners associations to make it much
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harder to buy to build housing or to build transportation i'm not sure how familiar everyone watching the
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forum is with california's uh high speed rail project but it was a joke it was an it was an effort
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to build the sort of thing that um not hard to build in the european country not hard to build in japan
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uh in california environmental rules and and some of this is housing rules the that are not related
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to the environment made it impossible to build quickly or at all at all really a high speed rail system and
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and that is one of the the problems that these democrats are looking at is we we our current coalition
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this is them them thinking has so many environmentalists and in it that do not want to
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build quickly and so so many people who do not want change we need to bring more people into the
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movement that can fund pro building in my backyard yes in my backyard politics and so yes that does
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mean alliances with the coax the rest of it the rest of it uh on criminal justice reform which which
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the coax support mass immigration with the coax support they're very comfortable uh in that coalition
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they are not comfortable in maga they do not have the same open door uh to the trump administration
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that they that they would have had in let's say a mit romney administration that's totally correct
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but what they want from the democrats uh is for more permitting reform making it easier to build
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things quickly uh and they do see an open door in the democratic party that that that wants that
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because democrats look at that high speed rail they look at biden four years of biden shoving money
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out the door some of it didn't get spent because of how slow uh environmental environmentally conscious
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i suppose building is in this country they want to break that down that'll mean some things the
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coax want don't mean a lot of things that the progressive left wants we're going to drill down
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today so david look let me um come back to you then and ask you this about where i think the democrats are
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right now um and i think since the emergence of donald trump they haven't really known how to
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how to move beyond the trump derangement syndrome and just do the orange man bad thing and part of
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their problem i think putting this chick together with the abundance movement um is that they haven't
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truly understood that maga isn't really a right-wing phenomenon uh and i think that's probably one of the
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problems that they have when they're pitching this because if you think about it what what maga has
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done is basically kicked out it kicked out all the chamber uh chamber of commerce influence or tried to
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hopefully that's what the movement wants uh in order to to focus on the well-being of the regular
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blue-collar worker um and the democrats still to this day don't know how to deal with that because
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they're supposed to be the part historically right their shtick the democrats shtick was that they're
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the party of the working guy um i published on getter a couple of days ago uh a graph which suggests
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that since 1980 that after the median average male american worker saw 10 increase in real terms
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since 1980 uh whereas the u.s economy grew by 260 percent um so those gains are being made those
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productive gains are being made in america it's just that they're not filtering down to the average guy
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that really is the the engine i think uh for the phenomenon for the phenomenon that is maga and the
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phenomenon that is donald trump and the democrats don't know how to handle it so what they're trying
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to do um is you know if uh if if the gop doesn't want the chamber of commerce money if it doesn't
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want the coke brothers money we'll we'll we'll openly take that ourselves we'll we'll allow our
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influence to be bought and we'll just pitch it out there there's as um as an as the new democratic
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fodder i don't know how how far that's actually going to go which is held together with anti-maga anti-trump
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type glue to hold it together we're going to find out and i think david and this is what i want to
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ask you as this pans out you're going to see the democrat party now sort of move as we were saying
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just earlier on in the show into these two factions um presumably they're going to be headed by gavin
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on one side and we heard we we saw we saw today that aoc is uh is is considering like like like we
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didn't know this already but the headlines are out there that aoc is considering throwing her hat in
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the ring for for 2028 and those are the the two i think rival dynamics with it within the demos but i
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don't see i don't see this the abundance thing really capturing the democrats heart and mind in the way
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that maga has captured republicans no it's comp it's complicated in a few ways i wouldn't want to
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bore people with all of them there is a populist uh side of the democratic party for example i was
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talking about the the the section of the party that had a very aggressive ftc lena khan ideas that
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i think steve steve agreed with when it came to breaking breaking up corporate power not everyone
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the administration is interested in doing that and so there's a space for democrats there to be
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the the party that is more anti-corporate power there's a space for them to be the party that
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invests in manufacturing they did that under biden their problems have a lot more
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in terms of reaching working class voters if you ask labor group labor unions why their rank and file
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uh move towards trump even though joe biden was spending a lot of money on manufacturing
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there were two reasons one trump was running on doing the same thing two culturally they were much
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more akin to trump they were not and when i say culture i'm not saying these are issues disconnected
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from the economy that includes democrats are interested in uh affirmative action in giving the
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this was part of the biden policy giving kind of the first bite at big at big projects to
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minority-owned businesses uh that slows things down that also says to certain types of workers
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well you're going to have to work a little bit harder if you want this or you're not going to
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get that contract uh that a pluralist multiracial democratic party that has those principles and
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says that you need to consider race and other other factors before you put some bricks down they're
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going to have some problems keeping their coalition together they they held it for a very long time
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barack obama did much uh actually a little bit worse with white voters but better with non-white voters
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the thing that's really flummoxed democrats is that they have those policies and they're losing
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ground with non-white working class voters uh but that's been more the problem the part the party is
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not getting power and like the bill clinton democrats sign new trade deals that's not what joe biden did
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it's not asking for it it's been a bit more aggressive and re-onshoring manufacturing and
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around chips and everything else it can but who is who is getting the benefits and how fast are they
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going out yes maga has a much better answer on that which is just shove the money out and let people
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compete for it and don't have any racial preferences that has been that that's been i think the secret
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sauce getting a lot of people who wouldn't have voted republican 20 years ago and you know wouldn't
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vote republican if the party turned around was paul ryan's party again they've been much more akin to
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vote for maga republicans because of that david i just want to read something to you from your recent
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article on this um and we've only got like a couple of minutes left on on the show for this uh this is
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really for for the republican establishment that uh that listens to this show you wrote here that
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the worry is that democrats will miss a chance to run as a credible low cost low cost pro-growth party
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at a time when republicans might be vulnerable to that message well it's certainly true that trump
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didn't win on either elect or any of his three elections he didn't win running on a really as a low
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cost grow pro-growth uh mandate he ran as make america great again uh mandate pretty pretty explicitly
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there but just tell me just in like two minutes tell me why you think that the republicans might be
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vulnerable to this message right now well because costs aren't down uh and this this is this is the
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one thing that democrats are fairly unified on i'd say they want they want more money going out the
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door for health care and they're pointing out that costs are not down since january and uh there's a
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little bit of cope going on with democrats here none of their problems are not all solved if people
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decide that inflation's not over and it's the republicans fault for not ending it uh but that's
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the opening that the abundance movement sees is that and and part of this conference people looked
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at polling uh on which issues polled the best uh or which issues were top of mind for voters
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costs not just housing but costs of groceries those sorts of things they were high up it was just
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that voters didn't say the way to fix that is abundance the way to fix that is building more
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housing they were working through how does our agenda fit into the uh being the party of low cost
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because voters don't think we are but that's the opening they see it's as simple it's as simple as
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that the debate over tariffs which the trump administration is very happy to use as a tool
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of of international negotiation uh that that would have been a democratic policy it frankly was for
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more than a century in the old democratic party the current more more silicon valley oriented democratic
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party is not anti-tariff but anti the way trump is using it and in the short term hoping i should say
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not that they're hoping for pain but they are a little bit hoping that people look at prices and say
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this is donald trump's fault he didn't he didn't he didn't lower them i'm going to vote for a democrat
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next time or maybe i voted for trump and i'm going to stay home uh that's the opening so and when they
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look at when people look at democrats they want them to look at them in november next year and say
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well yeah inflation happened under under biden but but trump didn't fix it so i'm fine voting for a
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democrat again so in a sense it's james carville's famous dictum it's the economy stupid that's still
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no it's still there isn't it right and whether whether the the maga phenomenon succeeds in the
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next 50 years uh or whether it doesn't really depends on on whether this administration get
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to grips with the cost of living um because there's all to play for on that uh that's not that's not
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that's not your words you know i don't i wouldn't want to put words into your mouth but that but that's
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you know if if the people who are running this movement in political office really want to see it
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continue that's what they're going to have to do they're going to have to get to grips with this
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cost of living issue because that's what that's that as you point out the populist element here
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of what this abundance movement is seeking for it's homing in on that day-to-day difficulty that
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up with you on social media uh well semaphore.com is where all the articles appear and i'm just at
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people here on um on the war room a great social commentator on gb news also a former academic matt
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thanks for coming on the show you're you're covering things that are taking place in the uk right now like
00:31:34.940
nobody else uh specifically you you mentioned in an article a couple of weeks ago on on your sub stack
00:31:40.860
that you um you quoted alexis de tockville right and you said you said how reform how revolutions
00:31:46.660
aren't something instantaneous they're just a build-up of of things that manifest themselves
00:31:51.820
and you highlight three things that you suggest are currently working in the background of the uk right
00:31:57.720
now the protests against the invasion the illegal third world invasion the operation raised the colors
00:32:05.820
which is putting up the uh the the the saint george's flag spontaneously this is a a real uh sort
00:32:12.780
of grassroots movement of people doing this spontaneously without any kind of organizational
00:32:18.060
structure and the third thing that you mentioned that is going to fundamentally transform the political
00:32:24.460
fabric fabric of the uk is the the the reality now of reform uk let's start with that one and then work
00:32:31.640
backwards because you were at the reforms uh party conference last week which in u.s terms is is the
00:32:38.760
annual convention let's let's put it like that tell me what were you what was your impression there about
00:32:43.420
the momentum of how things are building up well what was witnessing in the united kingdom in the uk is a
00:32:49.940
political revolution uh reform in the national polls is now on 34 percent of the national vote the labor
00:32:59.040
government the incumbent government a socialist government is all the way back on 16 percent as
00:33:06.080
are the mainstream conservatives the the sort of old you know mit romney republicans if you like so
00:33:13.760
look we're seeing something in british politics we've never seen before the two biggest reasons why
00:33:19.820
people say they're planning to vote for nigel farage and reform number one stop the illegal migration
00:33:26.160
invasion more than 180 000 people have entered our country illegally since 2018 number two dramatically
00:33:34.920
lower legal migration we've now seen around 5 million people enter the uk in the last five years
00:33:43.880
most of those over 80 percent of those have come from outside of european western nations from
00:33:52.060
uzbekistan nigeria pakistan india uh eritrea i could go on so look there's a real feeling here in the uk
00:34:01.380
that actually among many people they feel they're losing their country they feel that the country's
00:34:07.980
becoming unrecognizable and they want this radical change which reform and nigel farage are offering
00:34:14.900
them tell me about the the atmosphere though because you were there in the room i want to know
00:34:20.280
something about the momentum how do people feel about what's happening uh about what the
00:34:25.800
sophologists are picking up in the polls are they feeling it well let me tell you i've been going to
00:34:31.840
events with nigel farage for over 15 years okay and i remember the little ones where there were two
00:34:37.460
dozen people in a village hall in the middle of nowhere okay now what happened in birmingham a couple of
00:34:42.880
weeks ago were thousands of people coming into what is a uk second city to not just talk about why this
00:34:49.560
party's doing so well but to talk about what it's going to do in government now this is a conversation
00:34:55.160
nigel farage isn't used to having okay this is like where america was i think in 2015 this is you know
00:35:03.120
donald trump coming down the escalator everybody thinking well this is never going to happen but trump's
00:35:10.060
team saying hey this is going to happen and we need to plan for what we're going to do in government
00:35:14.220
you know we are basically there that's the sort of loose analogy so people at the conference saying
00:35:19.000
okay how are you going to leave all of these international courts and conventions that are
00:35:23.620
stopping us from protecting our own border how are you going to root out woke ideology from the public
00:35:28.380
institutions i spoke at a fringe event laying out what i think is the concrete plan we need
00:35:34.640
to dramatically lower migration and take control of the institutions these are the conversations people
00:35:40.640
are now having in and around the reform party and of course since the conference those conversations
00:35:46.000
have been sped up by the defection of a major major conservative politician danny kruger mp a very
00:35:53.640
committed conservative a cultural social conservative very opposed to woke ideology very supportive of the
00:36:01.000
christian foundations of our country he's now left to join reform and nigel farage has put him in
00:36:07.480
charge of preparing for the next reform government in other words the party now has a a politician a you
00:36:16.080
know a former mainstream politician if you like he's seen the establishment he's seen how the system works
00:36:21.320
and nigel farage has said look you are the guy now who is going to really prepare this party for
00:36:28.400
government so everything here is moving at a thousand miles an hour somebody said to me in
00:36:33.360
birmingham it's like building an aeroplane while you're flying the plane and that is how it feels the
00:36:39.920
energy is through the roof the enthusiasm is through the roof because the british and the english people
00:36:45.840
are saying by raising those flags by protesting on the streets by planning to vote for reform what they're
00:36:53.440
saying is enough is enough they've had enough of this dreary status quo
00:36:59.840
i just want to add a footnote to what you're saying there about danny kruger he correct me if i'm wrong
00:37:05.760
matt but i think he was and the campaign manager for robert jenrich right who who lost in the leadership
00:37:11.760
challenge to kemi badenuk but did very much offer in his candidature an alternative direction for the
00:37:18.480
tory party one which isn't basically vertical dissent which it's pursuing right now now anyone who knows
00:37:26.080
the uk well will realize that say 10 15 years ago i just want to pivot slightly from reform to something
00:37:32.720
else that's taken place in the uk over the last few days if you didn't mention the name tommy robinson
00:37:38.640
10 15 years ago that was a name that you really couldn't mention in polite society um
00:37:44.880
um because of the the connection the the the the percept the perception of the connection to to
00:37:51.680
thuggery to right wing thuggery and perhaps even violence what we saw at the unite the kingdom rally
00:37:58.880
in london over the weekend however now so there there are various estimates to how many people there
00:38:06.320
and that vary between a million and three million but looking at the video footage matt it's absolutely
00:38:13.840
striking to me that everyone i saw on that march was basically but there was no there were no skinhead
00:38:21.680
haircuts let me put it like that these were just ordinary working class uh brits um who have been
00:38:30.240
dispossessed and feel that they have been dispossessed and they're marching uh in protest at an at at an event
00:38:38.640
organized by someone i repeat you could not have mentioned his name 10 15 years ago um so this is
00:38:44.880
obviously the overton window in movement right uh in in real time tell me about your reaction there on the
00:38:53.200
ground about that how uh how do you perceive the conversation is moving right now well this was one of the most
00:39:02.400
significant public protests in british history just looking at the sheer numbers of people who were
00:39:08.000
involved of course elon musk was somebody else who spoke at that event via a a live stream if you like
00:39:15.600
and what all of those people are saying loud and clear is that they've had enough of mass uncontrolled
00:39:21.840
immigration they've had enough of broken borders they've had enough of two-tier justice whereby minorities
00:39:27.920
are treated more favorably than the british majority and they would like the tax-paying law-abiding
00:39:34.560
hard-working citizens of this country to be put first the roman statesman cicero said it best the
00:39:41.360
first duty of every state is to look after its own people and when it doesn't do that the state will
00:39:46.960
collapse and what we're witnessing here in the uk is the state refusing to adhere to that first duty
00:39:54.160
uh that it is supposed to uh pursue so the protests were unquestionably very significant uh where that
00:40:02.720
energy goes i think personally at the ballot box it will it will go only in one direction which is uh i
00:40:09.920
think inevitably behind reform because it's the only viable alternative to the status quo but it has
00:40:16.960
without doubt made westminster sit up and take notice of the people uh what we're seeing in some
00:40:23.200
consensus over the last decade in british politics through the vote for brexit through the rise of
00:40:28.080
reform now through these protests and through the raising of the flag is a reassertion of popular
00:40:34.000
sovereignty people saying actually the true source of power in our society the true source of legitimacy
00:40:40.480
the true source of authority is not elites in davos it's not elites in brussels and strasburg or even
00:40:47.600
westminster the true source of power in politics is the people it is the people who ultimately uh are
00:40:55.040
the source of sovereignty authority and legitimacy and that is what is coming into the system so i view
00:41:00.000
all of this really as being a big correction a correction to a system which has lost touch with the people
00:41:06.480
with tax-paying citizens these um these directional changes that you're highlighting that you've been
00:41:14.400
highlighting for a long time very effectively you'd agree with me that the the motor of this is the
00:41:21.600
the invasion right this is really the the the motor that is driving this change in politics that will
00:41:28.640
manifest itself in electoral policy yeah absolutely i mean tony blair famously said when he came to power in
00:41:35.680
1997 it's education education education well listen to me i'm telling you from the uk on the ground
00:41:42.240
that the the real source of people's concern is immigration immigration immigration front and center
00:41:48.480
to all of this we've lost control of the borders we don't know who's coming into the country the nation
00:41:54.240
is being transformed at a historically unprecedented state rate let me just give you one stat to bring
00:41:59.920
this home to our american uh viewers friends and cousins in every single year since 1997 since tony blair
00:42:07.600
came to power in every single year there has been more immigration into these islands than there was
00:42:13.920
during the entire period between the anglo-saxons in the fifth century and the end of the second world
00:42:20.480
war in other words over 1500 years there was less immigration into this country than there was in
00:42:26.240
every single year since 1997 that is why people are protesting matt would you just would you just
00:42:35.920
repeat that statistic yeah it's an astonishing statistic that in every single year since 1997 there has been
00:42:44.720
more immigration into the uk in each of those years than there was over the entire period between the anglo-saxons
00:42:54.320
in the fifth century and the end of the second world war so over 1500 years there was less immigration
00:43:01.040
onto these islands than there has been in each single year since tony blair and the uh socialists came to
00:43:08.000
power in 1997 that's astonishing and it is something that you can see on the streets right this is this is
00:43:14.960
this is a reality that confronts you um tell me just because i know you you you do have a hard
00:43:21.760
out and you've got to go in just a few moments just tell me something if you wouldn't mind how is the
00:43:26.240
sense of anger in the uk right now because many people who voted for brexit and supported brexit
00:43:32.160
thought that that meant that the national government being having having sovereignty returned
00:43:37.760
to westminster from brussels would actually be able to do something about this problem and in fact
00:43:43.120
nothing has been done at all the problem is getting worse tell me something about the anger that you're
00:43:47.760
feeling on the streets that post brexit one of the most important reasons for for people voting to
00:43:53.760
come out of the the the european union which hasn't been easy for the uk but one of that one of the most
00:43:59.760
promised advantages of that has been has not been um followed through on no i mean there is palpable
00:44:07.760
anger because the people have been betrayed they were betrayed by the conservative party the chinos the
00:44:14.720
conservatives in name only they were betrayed by boris johnson they were betrayed by the governments
00:44:20.160
that followed that vote for brexit who did the very opposite of what the people asked for they asked
00:44:24.240
for lower overall numbers of migrants they asked for control over their borders they asked to be returned
00:44:29.920
to become a self-governing independent nation their leaders did the opposite of those things
00:44:35.280
boris johnson put mass immigration on steroids our labor socialist prime minister keir starmer is now
00:44:41.760
selling off the rights of our fishermen the rights of our workers to the european union to india
00:44:47.520
signing up to trade deals that undermine the working class that's why reform is doing so well in this
00:44:53.040
country is why people are so frustrated because we have a ruling class in this country that no longer
00:44:59.200
understands this country or even likes this country keir starmer our socialist prime minister said it best
00:45:05.520
himself he said i prefer davos to westminster this is a guy who prefers hanging around with global elites
00:45:14.160
than his own people than the british people the english people and i think that is what is running
00:45:19.360
through a lot of this a lot of voters feel that they're being pushed out of the system they're not
00:45:24.160
in the national conversation they're being looked down on a bit like trump voters were many years ago and
00:45:30.400
they are tired of having this experiment which is what it is it's a it's a radical extreme experiment
00:45:36.560
of mass migration hyper-globalism being imposed on them from above and they're saying look who voted
00:45:42.640
for this who voted for this nobody in this country voted for this it's absolutely bonkers so i'm worried
00:45:50.560
that if we do not regain control then actually we are going to enter into potentially the collapse of the
00:45:57.280
social contract in this country you know the the relationship between the the voters and and
00:46:02.800
politicians will be severed because voters will rightly conclude that the people they elected to
00:46:08.400
look after them are no longer prioritizing their interests and as cicero said when that happens in a state
00:46:16.640
when you erode the social contract from within you become much more vulnerable to invasions from without
00:46:23.520
to external actors who seek to exploit that weakness and i think that is a very apt description of where
00:46:31.120
the uk is today matt just give me two minutes and then bounce right give me two minutes on this point
00:46:37.040
you're talking about the dissolution of the social fabric in the uk well one of the things that's always
00:46:41.920
held the country together quite reasonably is the fact that we always considered ourselves in the uk
00:46:47.680
to have an impartial independent judiciary which is really absolutely necessary to to maintain the rest
00:46:54.640
of the political social state fabric from corruption two minutes right and then bounce tell me about what
00:47:01.200
the reaction was to the 30 month sentence for lucy connolly who said who did who published a very
00:47:09.440
ill-advised tweet but perfectly within the uh acceptability of free speech look what is it that
00:47:18.960
historically defined great britain it was individual liberty it was free speech it was free expression
00:47:25.200
the historian macaulay said it best when he said the history of england is the history of liberty now
00:47:31.680
who in westminster today which politicians believe that because what we're living through in the uk
00:47:37.360
is a sustained assault on our free speech keir starmer the socialist prime minister of these
00:47:42.400
islands just met with president trump and he said in front of president trump during that second state
00:47:47.840
visit historic state visit no president has had that before keir starmer said we have always had free
00:47:54.240
speech in the uk everybody on these islands laughed when he said that because in the very same week
00:48:01.280
a stage four cancer patient was visited at home by police was told by police officers in her own living
00:48:08.960
room in her own home to apologize for what she had posted on facebook and if she didn't apologize they
00:48:16.400
would haul her off to the local police station lucy connolly who you mentioned was sent to prison for
00:48:21.280
the best part of three years because of what she wrote on social media in the privacy of her own home we
00:48:26.160
have a socialist government imposing a new definition of islamophobia on our public institutions that
00:48:31.920
will basically control what we can and cannot say about islam we have these orwellian things in this country
00:48:39.040
called non-crime hate incidents where if you perceive yourself to have been offended by somebody you can
00:48:45.680
file a police report against them on university campuses on college campuses in the uk countless
00:48:52.960
conservative and gender gender critical uh scholars and students who don't go along with the transgender
00:48:59.360
uh religion uh are being persecuted are being sacked are being uh harassed and at the same time all of
00:49:06.240
these words like far right and fascist they're being expanded by a ruling class to basically discredit
00:49:13.920
mainstream opinions they happen to disagree with i'll give you one example we have a counter-terrorism
00:49:19.360
strategy in this country called prevent it's now been revealed that they view cultural conservatism
00:49:25.920
holding culturally conservative views as being an indicator of possible terrorist ideology that is how
00:49:32.720
the state views people who happen to hold conservative values beliefs and opinions so when i see our
00:49:39.520
socialist prime minister saying we don't have a free speech crisis in this country i think absolutely yes we
00:49:45.600
do and americans recognize it you've got the first amendment you believe in the importance of free
00:49:51.280
speech i can tell president trump is suspicious of what's happening on these islands as is vice president
00:49:57.040
jd vance and they are absolutely right to call this out because it is absolutely outrageous but what we
00:50:02.720
need in this country and i think what we're going to get is a government that understands what this country
00:50:06.720
used to be about free speech individual liberty equality before the law and we're not going to have this
00:50:13.280
dogmatic experiment imposed on us curtailing what we can and cannot say about issues the ruling class
00:50:24.080
matt uh thanks very much for coming on the show steve bannon loves your analysis as do i his uh
00:50:30.800
sub stack is matt goodwin.org and you can find him on getter at goodwin mj that's on on twitter
00:50:40.240
excuse me on x goodwin at goodwin mj sub stack matt goodwin that's all we have time for today thanks
00:50:47.440
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