Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 858： Dems Search For A Shtick As MAGA Is Now The Workers’ Voice, And Nigel Farage Looks Unstoppable in UK

00:00:00.000 this is the primal scream of a dying regime pray for our enemies because we're going to

00:00:10.520 medieval on this people here's not got a free shot all these networks lying about the people

00:00:17.120 the people have had a belly full of it i know you don't like hearing that i know you try to do

00:00:21.280 everything in the world to stop that but you're not going to stop it it's going to happen and

00:00:24.620 where do people like that go to share the big line mega media i wish in my soul i wish that any of

00:00:32.460 these people had a conscience ask yourself what is my task and what is my purpose if that answer

00:00:39.560 is to save my country this country will be saved war room here's your host stephen k band

00:00:54.620 welcome ben harnwell here at the helm on steve bannon's war room perhaps you might have noticed

00:01:02.360 talk within democratic quarters of the abundance movement but didn't quite know what it represented

00:01:09.920 how it has emerged in the in in the democratic stream uh and what it's trying to achieve

00:01:17.780 well they had their major first launch of abundance 2025 a couple of uh weeks ago and we

00:01:26.480 have dave weigel here from semaphore one of the great daily newsletters that comes out of dci i

00:01:32.960 subscribe to i read it all the time dave thanks for coming on the show you were there just start off

00:01:38.340 with what is the abundance movement it is a good question because it is defined by both itself and

00:01:48.400 its enemies as different things so uh the simplest political way to say this is that there are democrats

00:01:54.560 in blue states mostly california new york who have realized that the environmental movement the degrowth

00:02:01.020 movement the don't build anything in my backyard movement have made it impossible to build cheap housing

00:02:06.280 and cheap energy for people and democrats in those states really got this abundance movement going

00:02:11.480 saying the future that we want is a sci-fi future where you can achieve anything cheaply you can live

00:02:18.700 in comfortable places you can see green things outside your house even if somebody else uh would like a

00:02:24.700 bigger house that blocks your blocks out your plot let's build more condos and fewer parking lots

00:02:30.540 that's how this started and had a lot of buy-in from silicon valley uh democrats who smaller smaller

00:02:37.540 wing of the party than they used to be uh it has taken on more of a role in the debate of what

00:02:43.380 democrats stand for because it is a pro-growth movement with donors who are not very left-wing

00:02:49.660 and there's a sense the party and if it wants to compete become a big majority again it needs those

00:02:54.440 people it can't kick them out in the way the biden administration did with a very uh strong

00:02:59.700 regulatory regime that move silicon valley move those people out of the party um let's break this

00:03:06.680 down a bit because a couple of the things here emerge from a study of the abundance movement and

00:03:12.040 i very strongly flag this concept up to the warring posse to follow this because it's not going to be

00:03:18.060 something that's going to go away straight away and it's an attempt to pitch a populist narrative

00:03:24.200 with we're there within the democratic sphere as a parallel opposite to maga but i'm not in

00:03:30.880 i'm not entirely sure it's actually going to land uh for a number of reasons but let's talk about what

00:03:36.820 it is it defined you defined it as to what it's against and what it's for some of the things that

00:03:42.340 self-consciously it's against would be the degrowth movement right yes degrowth movement

00:03:49.180 uh well degrowth is is a really long-lived that's a newer brand for it but a very long-lived

00:03:55.920 uh left-wing idea that has its roots in malthusianism its roots more recently in paul ehrlich and anti

00:04:02.680 uh human population growth the idea that we have a fragile planet uh humans are a burden on the planet

00:04:09.640 and we should be building slowly we should not be getting richer uh the abundance movement is is

00:04:14.960 whatever whatever other politics it has capitalist believes in growth believes that human flourishing

00:04:20.220 is important and it's very worried that the degrowthers in the democratic coalition are are 1.00

00:04:25.900 hindering that and you've seen you've seen this in europe too they're the the green wing of red green

00:04:31.640 coalitions anti-nuclear anti-growth it makes things more expensive and this has become a liability for

00:04:37.740 every social democratic party uh in a western in a western nation the the worry that the democratic

00:04:44.060 strategists have is when they lose power they lose it to populist conservatives who are both pro-growth

00:04:50.940 economically and anti-immigration and so the the abundance movement wants more immigration more housing

00:04:57.440 more energy just more of everything in a way that does change a country it is in a much more pluralist

00:05:03.200 uh dynamic less nationalist way but they believe that that's the only way you can win if if so

00:05:09.340 social democratic parties are anti-growth if if conservatives are offering you more flourishing

00:05:13.560 more wealth more more space and they're offering you less they're going to lose that's the that's the

00:05:18.660 concern at the heart of all this well that's one of the things that abundance is against uh the

00:05:25.180 degrowth movement another thing would be woke right yes the woke infiltration right um do you think

00:05:32.640 being so up front about its opposition to work is trying to become a vehicle to the anti-aoc tendency

00:05:42.480 in the democrats a little bit although this there's been a debate in this country over whether abundance

00:05:50.540 is set against uh let's say populism in the democratic party and there's some overlap there's some

00:05:56.000 overlap overlap when it comes to uh we can define woke just pretty broadly when it comes to the idea

00:06:01.740 that uh there should be very wide open gender identity laws that there should be uh it should be 0.99

00:06:10.660 very easy to become a guest worker or a citizen if you're not born in the country those are not 0.74

00:06:15.140 antagonistic to the abundance movement their antagonists are more both degrowthers and the 1.00

00:06:20.900 populace who say no for human flourishing what we need is an aggressive government that breaks up big

00:06:25.820 companies abundance doesn't really have a problem with large corporations with amazon existing with

00:06:32.500 media mergers even existing uh the other kind of lena con bernie sanders elizabeth warren tendency

00:06:39.220 in the party is to say no we're going to grow but we're going to grow by you having the government

00:06:43.260 break up mega corporations create more competition create more diversity in media but diversity in

00:06:48.880 everything we'll have more products because we're going to have more companies and fewer monopolies

00:06:52.900 uh that's been the the debate the woke discussion it's i like the way you're asking these questions

00:06:58.120 because they're the democratic party's ping-ponging between all these debates uh the woke discussion

00:07:03.060 is actually a lot quieter inside the party they're not having a press conference or or or a three-day

00:07:07.680 summit saying we need to stop saying woke things we need to get serious about how or i rethink how we

00:07:13.780 talk about gender uh and access to women's spaces men's spaces that is a different debate happening and

00:07:20.900 part of the idea here is a popular democratic party can carry along some of these pluralist ideas

00:07:27.140 that are less popular for the rest of the electorate okay you can you can smoke you can have a few 20

00:07:32.560 30 proposals if people say i'm voting for the democrats and they made me richer then they won't

00:07:37.560 care so much uh if there's an abortion policy or gender policy they disagree with that is part of this

00:07:44.040 that's where democrats have been coming from when asked how they're going to win again in the future

00:07:48.880 it is how do we how do we come in populist party how do we tell voters that when conservatives talk

00:07:54.680 about social issues they're they're trying to loot you they're trying to get to to redistribute taxes

00:07:59.820 upwards to billionaires and away from you they need that that's that's what they're what they're trying

00:08:04.640 to solve for here in in abundance is let's have a popular agenda so the rest of the progressive agenda

00:08:09.680 can be packaged in with the democratic uh portfolio okay so now we we've really i think got a home in

00:08:18.340 on what i think's going on here um if this is the if this is the democrats attempt to to muscle in on

00:08:27.100 an alternative to the aoc bernie sanders type or mandami type of um populism

00:08:34.560 it's in promising abundance basically what you want at prices you can afford via free market capitalism

00:08:43.200 you think well hang on that's not really that's not really in the democrats dna is it this is this

00:08:49.840 is really coke brothers philosophy uh that's being you know you can you can almost see what's happened

00:08:56.320 because a lot of the people are financially backing this abundance movement have been driven out of

00:09:01.160 by people like steve bannon right they've been pushed out and they've got all this money right

00:09:05.720 okay so now we have all this money that we're trying to buy influence with no one in mago wants

00:09:10.680 to take our phone calls what should we do with it so they put that out and you know like you've got the

00:09:15.360 consultants you've got the fundraisers and the whole you know these guys you know if you if you are

00:09:21.100 impressed in nature that a shark can can smell a trace of blood in the ocean from three miles that's

00:09:27.820 nothing compared to these guys when it comes to getting getting benefactors money so they're

00:09:32.560 basically the shtick is don't worry which which one died it was charles cock i think uh no charles 0.85

00:09:38.180 cock the one who's still alive david coke yeah who died so you know that basically they gravitate

00:09:43.620 gravitized they have um they're gravitizing towards the the coke brothers largesse saying don't worry if 0.92

00:09:52.540 you didn't get this to land um in in the new gop we'll sell it for you in the democrat ambit instead

00:10:01.200 uh because that's what the shtick of this is really you know that their idea that the coke brothers idea 0.99

00:10:08.740 of populism is very much this that you know the free market will solve all your ills you want you

00:10:14.440 want more houses we'll build more houses for you we know and how do you get to more houses where you

00:10:19.620 you need you you need permitting uh uh you you need to have easy access to permitting you need to cut

00:10:26.860 back on bureaucracy um so it's all it's all in the coke brothers libertarian agenda to some extent

00:10:34.460 repackaged uh as an alternative the only thing that is missing are people like gavin newsom uh or

00:10:43.060 the only thing it was missing were proponents within the democratic party that'd be prepared to use

00:10:48.240 as a platform to try to to do a full frontal on the aoc momentum how how does that how does that

00:10:55.780 analysis strike you well the analysis about the coke brothers is is obviously correct the stand 1.00

00:11:02.560 together which is the big coke donor trust but there's a few coke don't trust but that's one of 0.98

00:11:07.140 the more active political ones uh that was one of the sponsors at the conference there were people

00:11:11.480 from that organization were at the conference and parts of the conference were off the record to the

00:11:16.100 press the ones about permitting reform and some of what you were just talking about were among those

00:11:20.760 uh but when you brought up gavin newsom this is the part of the abundance project that democrats are

00:11:26.960 most comfortable with is newsom has been signing off on these reforms of california's 1970s environmental

00:11:32.380 laws which were used by really everybody energy companies homeowners associations to make it much

00:11:39.040 harder to buy to build housing or to build transportation i'm not sure how familiar everyone watching the

00:11:43.420 forum is with california's uh high speed rail project but it was a joke it was an it was an effort

00:11:48.240 to build the sort of thing that um not hard to build in the european country not hard to build in japan

00:11:53.540 uh in california environmental rules and and some of this is housing rules the that are not related

00:11:59.400 to the environment made it impossible to build quickly or at all at all really a high speed rail system and

00:12:05.120 and that is one of the the problems that these democrats are looking at is we we our current coalition

00:12:12.080 this is them them thinking has so many environmentalists and in it that do not want to

00:12:17.980 build quickly and so so many people who do not want change we need to bring more people into the

00:12:22.940 movement that can fund pro building in my backyard yes in my backyard politics and so yes that does

00:12:29.640 mean alliances with the coax the rest of it the rest of it uh on criminal justice reform which which

00:12:35.140 the coax support mass immigration with the coax support they're very comfortable uh in that coalition

00:12:40.080 they are not comfortable in maga they do not have the same open door uh to the trump administration

00:12:44.580 that they that they would have had in let's say a mit romney administration that's totally correct

00:12:48.980 but what they want from the democrats uh is for more permitting reform making it easier to build

00:12:55.220 things quickly uh and they do see an open door in the democratic party that that that wants that

00:13:00.360 because democrats look at that high speed rail they look at biden four years of biden shoving money

00:13:04.860 out the door some of it didn't get spent because of how slow uh environmental environmentally conscious

00:13:11.120 i suppose building is in this country they want to break that down that'll mean some things the

00:13:15.900 coax want don't mean a lot of things that the progressive left wants we're going to drill down

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00:17:08.140 today so david look let me um come back to you then and ask you this about where i think the democrats are

00:17:17.180 right now um and i think since the emergence of donald trump they haven't really known how to

00:17:23.000 how to move beyond the trump derangement syndrome and just do the orange man bad thing and part of

00:17:30.360 their problem i think putting this chick together with the abundance movement um is that they haven't 0.94

00:17:36.840 truly understood that maga isn't really a right-wing phenomenon uh and i think that's probably one of the

00:17:46.180 problems that they have when they're pitching this because if you think about it what what maga has

00:17:52.060 done is basically kicked out it kicked out all the chamber uh chamber of commerce influence or tried to

00:18:00.060 hopefully that's what the movement wants uh in order to to focus on the well-being of the regular

00:18:05.800 blue-collar worker um and the democrats still to this day don't know how to deal with that because

00:18:13.280 they're supposed to be the part historically right their shtick the democrats shtick was that they're

00:18:18.560 the party of the working guy um i published on getter a couple of days ago uh a graph which suggests

00:18:26.400 that since 1980 that after the median average male american worker saw 10 increase in real terms

00:18:35.380 since 1980 uh whereas the u.s economy grew by 260 percent um so those gains are being made those

00:18:45.360 productive gains are being made in america it's just that they're not filtering down to the average guy

00:18:50.360 that really is the the engine i think uh for the phenomenon for the phenomenon that is maga and the

00:18:56.940 phenomenon that is donald trump and the democrats don't know how to handle it so what they're trying

00:19:01.380 to do um is you know if uh if if the gop doesn't want the chamber of commerce money if it doesn't

00:19:10.360 want the coke brothers money we'll we'll we'll openly take that ourselves we'll we'll allow our 0.94

00:19:17.400 influence to be bought and we'll just pitch it out there there's as um as an as the new democratic

00:19:23.300 fodder i don't know how how far that's actually going to go which is held together with anti-maga anti-trump

00:19:31.140 type glue to hold it together we're going to find out and i think david and this is what i want to

00:19:36.880 ask you as this pans out you're going to see the democrat party now sort of move as we were saying

00:19:42.640 just earlier on in the show into these two factions um presumably they're going to be headed by gavin

00:19:48.840 on one side and we heard we we saw we saw today that aoc is uh is is considering like like like we

00:19:57.420 didn't know this already but the headlines are out there that aoc is considering throwing her hat in 0.99

00:20:02.500 the ring for for 2028 and those are the the two i think rival dynamics with it within the demos but i

00:20:08.820 don't see i don't see this the abundance thing really capturing the democrats heart and mind in the way

00:20:16.060 that maga has captured republicans no it's comp it's complicated in a few ways i wouldn't want to

00:20:26.120 bore people with all of them there is a populist uh side of the democratic party for example i was

00:20:32.280 talking about the the the section of the party that had a very aggressive ftc lena khan ideas that 0.99

00:20:38.240 i think steve steve agreed with when it came to breaking breaking up corporate power not everyone

00:20:42.840 the administration is interested in doing that and so there's a space for democrats there to be

00:20:48.300 the the party that is more anti-corporate power there's a space for them to be the party that

00:20:52.620 invests in manufacturing they did that under biden their problems have a lot more

00:20:56.380 in terms of reaching working class voters if you ask labor group labor unions why their rank and file

00:21:03.880 uh move towards trump even though joe biden was spending a lot of money on manufacturing

00:21:09.760 there were two reasons one trump was running on doing the same thing two culturally they were much

00:21:14.540 more akin to trump they were not and when i say culture i'm not saying these are issues disconnected

00:21:19.240 from the economy that includes democrats are interested in uh affirmative action in giving the

00:21:25.840 this was part of the biden policy giving kind of the first bite at big at big projects to

00:21:30.940 minority-owned businesses uh that slows things down that also says to certain types of workers

00:21:36.860 well you're going to have to work a little bit harder if you want this or you're not going to

00:21:40.440 get that contract uh that a pluralist multiracial democratic party that has those principles and

00:21:46.920 says that you need to consider race and other other factors before you put some bricks down they're

00:21:52.720 going to have some problems keeping their coalition together they they held it for a very long time

00:21:56.880 barack obama did much uh actually a little bit worse with white voters but better with non-white voters

00:22:01.020 the thing that's really flummoxed democrats is that they have those policies and they're losing

00:22:05.040 ground with non-white working class voters uh but that's been more the problem the part the party is

00:22:10.300 not getting power and like the bill clinton democrats sign new trade deals that's not what joe biden did

00:22:15.620 it's not asking for it it's been a bit more aggressive and re-onshoring manufacturing and

00:22:20.420 around chips and everything else it can but who is who is getting the benefits and how fast are they

00:22:25.960 going out yes maga has a much better answer on that which is just shove the money out and let people

00:22:30.580 compete for it and don't have any racial preferences that has been that that's been i think the secret

00:22:34.940 sauce getting a lot of people who wouldn't have voted republican 20 years ago and you know wouldn't

00:22:39.280 vote republican if the party turned around was paul ryan's party again they've been much more akin to

00:22:44.360 vote for maga republicans because of that david i just want to read something to you from your recent

00:22:50.000 article on this um and we've only got like a couple of minutes left on on the show for this uh this is

00:22:58.400 really for for the republican establishment that uh that listens to this show you wrote here that

00:23:06.160 the worry is that democrats will miss a chance to run as a credible low cost low cost pro-growth party

00:23:13.900 at a time when republicans might be vulnerable to that message well it's certainly true that trump

00:23:20.200 didn't win on either elect or any of his three elections he didn't win running on a really as a low

00:23:26.300 cost grow pro-growth uh mandate he ran as make america great again uh mandate pretty pretty explicitly

00:23:35.120 there but just tell me just in like two minutes tell me why you think that the republicans might be

00:23:43.360 vulnerable to this message right now well because costs aren't down uh and this this is this is the

00:23:50.960 one thing that democrats are fairly unified on i'd say they want they want more money going out the

00:23:56.180 door for health care and they're pointing out that costs are not down since january and uh there's a

00:24:02.300 little bit of cope going on with democrats here none of their problems are not all solved if people

00:24:06.600 decide that inflation's not over and it's the republicans fault for not ending it uh but that's

00:24:10.960 the opening that the abundance movement sees is that and and part of this conference people looked

00:24:16.220 at polling uh on which issues polled the best uh or which issues were top of mind for voters

00:24:21.620 costs not just housing but costs of groceries those sorts of things they were high up it was just

00:24:26.880 that voters didn't say the way to fix that is abundance the way to fix that is building more

00:24:31.160 housing they were working through how does our agenda fit into the uh being the party of low cost

00:24:36.840 because voters don't think we are but that's the opening they see it's as simple it's as simple as

00:24:41.300 that the debate over tariffs which the trump administration is very happy to use as a tool

00:24:46.240 of of international negotiation uh that that would have been a democratic policy it frankly was for

00:24:53.300 more than a century in the old democratic party the current more more silicon valley oriented democratic

00:24:59.620 party is not anti-tariff but anti the way trump is using it and in the short term hoping i should say

00:25:07.160 not that they're hoping for pain but they are a little bit hoping that people look at prices and say

00:25:12.400 this is donald trump's fault he didn't he didn't he didn't lower them i'm going to vote for a democrat

00:25:16.320 next time or maybe i voted for trump and i'm going to stay home uh that's the opening so and when they

00:25:21.760 look at when people look at democrats they want them to look at them in november next year and say

00:25:26.180 well yeah inflation happened under under biden but but trump didn't fix it so i'm fine voting for a 0.99

00:25:31.080 democrat again so in a sense it's james carville's famous dictum it's the economy stupid that's still

00:25:38.560 no it's still there isn't it right and whether whether the the maga phenomenon succeeds in the 0.95

00:25:44.740 next 50 years uh or whether it doesn't really depends on on whether this administration get

00:25:50.560 to grips with the cost of living um because there's all to play for on that uh that's not that's not

00:25:56.120 that's not your words you know i don't i wouldn't want to put words into your mouth but that but that's

00:26:01.260 you know if if the people who are running this movement in political office really want to see it

00:26:07.060 continue that's what they're going to have to do they're going to have to get to grips with this

00:26:10.660 cost of living issue because that's what that's that as you point out the populist element here

00:26:16.140 of what this abundance movement is seeking for it's homing in on that day-to-day difficulty that

00:26:22.660 ordinary americans feel david weigel thank you for coming on the show where do people go to catch

00:26:28.600 up with you on social media uh well semaphore.com is where all the articles appear and i'm just at

00:26:34.480 dave weigel on x on blue sky on everything else and every other article get posted on those anyway

00:26:40.140 so yeah thanks for the time it's a really good conversation dave very very grateful for you to

00:26:45.760 come on and please do come back again and give us further updates as this moves forward folks stay

00:26:52.260 tuned we'll be back in two short minutes with matt goodwin

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00:31:20.420 people here on um on the war room a great social commentator on gb news also a former academic matt

00:31:29.020 thanks for coming on the show you're you're covering things that are taking place in the uk right now like

00:31:34.940 nobody else uh specifically you you mentioned in an article a couple of weeks ago on on your sub stack

00:31:40.860 that you um you quoted alexis de tockville right and you said you said how reform how revolutions

00:31:46.660 aren't something instantaneous they're just a build-up of of things that manifest themselves

00:31:51.820 and you highlight three things that you suggest are currently working in the background of the uk right

00:31:57.720 now the protests against the invasion the illegal third world invasion the operation raised the colors

00:32:05.820 which is putting up the uh the the the saint george's flag spontaneously this is a a real uh sort

00:32:12.780 of grassroots movement of people doing this spontaneously without any kind of organizational

00:32:18.060 structure and the third thing that you mentioned that is going to fundamentally transform the political

00:32:24.460 fabric fabric of the uk is the the the reality now of reform uk let's start with that one and then work

00:32:31.640 backwards because you were at the reforms uh party conference last week which in u.s terms is is the

00:32:38.760 annual convention let's let's put it like that tell me what were you what was your impression there about

00:32:43.420 the momentum of how things are building up well what was witnessing in the united kingdom in the uk is a

00:32:49.940 political revolution uh reform in the national polls is now on 34 percent of the national vote the labor

00:32:59.040 government the incumbent government a socialist government is all the way back on 16 percent as

00:33:06.080 are the mainstream conservatives the the sort of old you know mit romney republicans if you like so

00:33:13.760 look we're seeing something in british politics we've never seen before the two biggest reasons why

00:33:19.820 people say they're planning to vote for nigel farage and reform number one stop the illegal migration 0.58

00:33:26.160 invasion more than 180 000 people have entered our country illegally since 2018 number two dramatically

00:33:34.920 lower legal migration we've now seen around 5 million people enter the uk in the last five years

00:33:43.880 most of those over 80 percent of those have come from outside of european western nations from

00:33:52.060 uzbekistan nigeria pakistan india uh eritrea i could go on so look there's a real feeling here in the uk

00:34:01.380 that actually among many people they feel they're losing their country they feel that the country's

00:34:07.980 becoming unrecognizable and they want this radical change which reform and nigel farage are offering 1.00

00:34:14.900 them tell me about the the atmosphere though because you were there in the room i want to know

00:34:20.280 something about the momentum how do people feel about what's happening uh about what the

00:34:25.800 sophologists are picking up in the polls are they feeling it well let me tell you i've been going to

00:34:31.840 events with nigel farage for over 15 years okay and i remember the little ones where there were two

00:34:37.460 dozen people in a village hall in the middle of nowhere okay now what happened in birmingham a couple of

00:34:42.880 weeks ago were thousands of people coming into what is a uk second city to not just talk about why this

00:34:49.560 party's doing so well but to talk about what it's going to do in government now this is a conversation

00:34:55.160 nigel farage isn't used to having okay this is like where america was i think in 2015 this is you know

00:35:03.120 donald trump coming down the escalator everybody thinking well this is never going to happen but trump's

00:35:10.060 team saying hey this is going to happen and we need to plan for what we're going to do in government

00:35:14.220 you know we are basically there that's the sort of loose analogy so people at the conference saying

00:35:19.000 okay how are you going to leave all of these international courts and conventions that are

00:35:23.620 stopping us from protecting our own border how are you going to root out woke ideology from the public

00:35:28.380 institutions i spoke at a fringe event laying out what i think is the concrete plan we need

00:35:34.640 to dramatically lower migration and take control of the institutions these are the conversations people

00:35:40.640 are now having in and around the reform party and of course since the conference those conversations

00:35:46.000 have been sped up by the defection of a major major conservative politician danny kruger mp a very

00:35:53.640 committed conservative a cultural social conservative very opposed to woke ideology very supportive of the

00:36:01.000 christian foundations of our country he's now left to join reform and nigel farage has put him in

00:36:07.480 charge of preparing for the next reform government in other words the party now has a a politician a you

00:36:16.080 know a former mainstream politician if you like he's seen the establishment he's seen how the system works

00:36:21.320 and nigel farage has said look you are the guy now who is going to really prepare this party for

00:36:28.400 government so everything here is moving at a thousand miles an hour somebody said to me in

00:36:33.360 birmingham it's like building an aeroplane while you're flying the plane and that is how it feels the

00:36:39.920 energy is through the roof the enthusiasm is through the roof because the british and the english people

00:36:45.840 are saying by raising those flags by protesting on the streets by planning to vote for reform what they're

00:36:53.440 saying is enough is enough they've had enough of this dreary status quo

00:36:59.840 i just want to add a footnote to what you're saying there about danny kruger he correct me if i'm wrong

00:37:05.760 matt but i think he was and the campaign manager for robert jenrich right who who lost in the leadership

00:37:11.760 challenge to kemi badenuk but did very much offer in his candidature an alternative direction for the

00:37:18.480 tory party one which isn't basically vertical dissent which it's pursuing right now now anyone who knows

00:37:26.080 the uk well will realize that say 10 15 years ago i just want to pivot slightly from reform to something

00:37:32.720 else that's taken place in the uk over the last few days if you didn't mention the name tommy robinson

00:37:38.640 10 15 years ago that was a name that you really couldn't mention in polite society um

00:37:44.880 um because of the the connection the the the the percept the perception of the connection to to

00:37:51.680 thuggery to right wing thuggery and perhaps even violence what we saw at the unite the kingdom rally

00:37:58.880 in london over the weekend however now so there there are various estimates to how many people there

00:38:06.320 and that vary between a million and three million but looking at the video footage matt it's absolutely

00:38:13.840 striking to me that everyone i saw on that march was basically but there was no there were no skinhead

00:38:21.680 haircuts let me put it like that these were just ordinary working class uh brits um who have been 0.56

00:38:30.240 dispossessed and feel that they have been dispossessed and they're marching uh in protest at an at at an event

00:38:38.640 organized by someone i repeat you could not have mentioned his name 10 15 years ago um so this is

00:38:44.880 obviously the overton window in movement right uh in in real time tell me about your reaction there on the

00:38:53.200 ground about that how uh how do you perceive the conversation is moving right now well this was one of the most

00:39:02.400 significant public protests in british history just looking at the sheer numbers of people who were

00:39:08.000 involved of course elon musk was somebody else who spoke at that event via a a live stream if you like

00:39:15.600 and what all of those people are saying loud and clear is that they've had enough of mass uncontrolled

00:39:21.840 immigration they've had enough of broken borders they've had enough of two-tier justice whereby minorities 0.86

00:39:27.920 are treated more favorably than the british majority and they would like the tax-paying law-abiding

00:39:34.560 hard-working citizens of this country to be put first the roman statesman cicero said it best the

00:39:41.360 first duty of every state is to look after its own people and when it doesn't do that the state will

00:39:46.960 collapse and what we're witnessing here in the uk is the state refusing to adhere to that first duty

00:39:54.160 uh that it is supposed to uh pursue so the protests were unquestionably very significant uh where that

00:40:02.720 energy goes i think personally at the ballot box it will it will go only in one direction which is uh i

00:40:09.920 think inevitably behind reform because it's the only viable alternative to the status quo but it has

00:40:16.960 without doubt made westminster sit up and take notice of the people uh what we're seeing in some

00:40:23.200 consensus over the last decade in british politics through the vote for brexit through the rise of

00:40:28.080 reform now through these protests and through the raising of the flag is a reassertion of popular

00:40:34.000 sovereignty people saying actually the true source of power in our society the true source of legitimacy

00:40:40.480 the true source of authority is not elites in davos it's not elites in brussels and strasburg or even

00:40:47.600 westminster the true source of power in politics is the people it is the people who ultimately uh are

00:40:55.040 the source of sovereignty authority and legitimacy and that is what is coming into the system so i view

00:41:00.000 all of this really as being a big correction a correction to a system which has lost touch with the people

00:41:06.480 with tax-paying citizens these um these directional changes that you're highlighting that you've been

00:41:14.400 highlighting for a long time very effectively you'd agree with me that the the motor of this is the

00:41:21.600 the invasion right this is really the the the motor that is driving this change in politics that will

00:41:28.640 manifest itself in electoral policy yeah absolutely i mean tony blair famously said when he came to power in

00:41:35.680 1997 it's education education education well listen to me i'm telling you from the uk on the ground

00:41:42.240 that the the real source of people's concern is immigration immigration immigration front and center

00:41:48.480 to all of this we've lost control of the borders we don't know who's coming into the country the nation

00:41:54.240 is being transformed at a historically unprecedented state rate let me just give you one stat to bring

00:41:59.920 this home to our american uh viewers friends and cousins in every single year since 1997 since tony blair

00:42:07.600 came to power in every single year there has been more immigration into these islands than there was

00:42:13.920 during the entire period between the anglo-saxons in the fifth century and the end of the second world

00:42:20.480 war in other words over 1500 years there was less immigration into this country than there was in

00:42:26.240 every single year since 1997 that is why people are protesting matt would you just would you just

00:42:35.920 repeat that statistic yeah it's an astonishing statistic that in every single year since 1997 there has been

00:42:44.720 more immigration into the uk in each of those years than there was over the entire period between the anglo-saxons

00:42:54.320 in the fifth century and the end of the second world war so over 1500 years there was less immigration

00:43:01.040 onto these islands than there has been in each single year since tony blair and the uh socialists came to

00:43:08.000 power in 1997 that's astonishing and it is something that you can see on the streets right this is this is

00:43:14.960 this is a reality that confronts you um tell me just because i know you you you do have a hard

00:43:21.760 out and you've got to go in just a few moments just tell me something if you wouldn't mind how is the

00:43:26.240 sense of anger in the uk right now because many people who voted for brexit and supported brexit

00:43:32.160 thought that that meant that the national government being having having sovereignty returned

00:43:37.760 to westminster from brussels would actually be able to do something about this problem and in fact

00:43:43.120 nothing has been done at all the problem is getting worse tell me something about the anger that you're

00:43:47.760 feeling on the streets that post brexit one of the most important reasons for for people voting to

00:43:53.760 come out of the the the european union which hasn't been easy for the uk but one of that one of the most

00:43:59.760 promised advantages of that has been has not been um followed through on no i mean there is palpable

00:44:07.760 anger because the people have been betrayed they were betrayed by the conservative party the chinos the 0.97

00:44:14.720 conservatives in name only they were betrayed by boris johnson they were betrayed by the governments

00:44:20.160 that followed that vote for brexit who did the very opposite of what the people asked for they asked

00:44:24.240 for lower overall numbers of migrants they asked for control over their borders they asked to be returned

00:44:29.920 to become a self-governing independent nation their leaders did the opposite of those things

00:44:35.280 boris johnson put mass immigration on steroids our labor socialist prime minister keir starmer is now

00:44:41.760 selling off the rights of our fishermen the rights of our workers to the european union to india

00:44:47.520 signing up to trade deals that undermine the working class that's why reform is doing so well in this 0.99

00:44:53.040 country is why people are so frustrated because we have a ruling class in this country that no longer

00:44:59.200 understands this country or even likes this country keir starmer our socialist prime minister said it best

00:45:05.520 himself he said i prefer davos to westminster this is a guy who prefers hanging around with global elites

00:45:14.160 than his own people than the british people the english people and i think that is what is running

00:45:19.360 through a lot of this a lot of voters feel that they're being pushed out of the system they're not

00:45:24.160 in the national conversation they're being looked down on a bit like trump voters were many years ago and

00:45:30.400 they are tired of having this experiment which is what it is it's a it's a radical extreme experiment

00:45:36.560 of mass migration hyper-globalism being imposed on them from above and they're saying look who voted

00:45:42.640 for this who voted for this nobody in this country voted for this it's absolutely bonkers so i'm worried

00:45:50.560 that if we do not regain control then actually we are going to enter into potentially the collapse of the

00:45:57.280 social contract in this country you know the the relationship between the the voters and and

00:46:02.800 politicians will be severed because voters will rightly conclude that the people they elected to

00:46:08.400 look after them are no longer prioritizing their interests and as cicero said when that happens in a state

00:46:16.640 when you erode the social contract from within you become much more vulnerable to invasions from without

00:46:23.520 to external actors who seek to exploit that weakness and i think that is a very apt description of where

00:46:31.120 the uk is today matt just give me two minutes and then bounce right give me two minutes on this point

00:46:37.040 you're talking about the dissolution of the social fabric in the uk well one of the things that's always

00:46:41.920 held the country together quite reasonably is the fact that we always considered ourselves in the uk

00:46:47.680 to have an impartial independent judiciary which is really absolutely necessary to to maintain the rest

00:46:54.640 of the political social state fabric from corruption two minutes right and then bounce tell me about what

00:47:01.200 the reaction was to the 30 month sentence for lucy connolly who said who did who published a very

00:47:09.440 ill-advised tweet but perfectly within the uh acceptability of free speech look what is it that

00:47:18.960 historically defined great britain it was individual liberty it was free speech it was free expression

00:47:25.200 the historian macaulay said it best when he said the history of england is the history of liberty now

00:47:31.680 who in westminster today which politicians believe that because what we're living through in the uk

00:47:37.360 is a sustained assault on our free speech keir starmer the socialist prime minister of these

00:47:42.400 islands just met with president trump and he said in front of president trump during that second state

00:47:47.840 visit historic state visit no president has had that before keir starmer said we have always had free

00:47:54.240 speech in the uk everybody on these islands laughed when he said that because in the very same week

00:48:01.280 a stage four cancer patient was visited at home by police was told by police officers in her own living

00:48:08.960 room in her own home to apologize for what she had posted on facebook and if she didn't apologize they

00:48:16.400 would haul her off to the local police station lucy connolly who you mentioned was sent to prison for 1.00

00:48:21.280 the best part of three years because of what she wrote on social media in the privacy of her own home we

00:48:26.160 have a socialist government imposing a new definition of islamophobia on our public institutions that

00:48:31.920 will basically control what we can and cannot say about islam we have these orwellian things in this country

00:48:39.040 called non-crime hate incidents where if you perceive yourself to have been offended by somebody you can

00:48:45.680 file a police report against them on university campuses on college campuses in the uk countless

00:48:52.960 conservative and gender gender critical uh scholars and students who don't go along with the transgender

00:48:59.360 uh religion uh are being persecuted are being sacked are being uh harassed and at the same time all of

00:49:06.240 these words like far right and fascist they're being expanded by a ruling class to basically discredit

00:49:13.920 mainstream opinions they happen to disagree with i'll give you one example we have a counter-terrorism

00:49:19.360 strategy in this country called prevent it's now been revealed that they view cultural conservatism

00:49:25.920 holding culturally conservative views as being an indicator of possible terrorist ideology that is how

00:49:32.720 the state views people who happen to hold conservative values beliefs and opinions so when i see our

00:49:39.520 socialist prime minister saying we don't have a free speech crisis in this country i think absolutely yes we

00:49:45.600 do and americans recognize it you've got the first amendment you believe in the importance of free

00:49:51.280 speech i can tell president trump is suspicious of what's happening on these islands as is vice president

00:49:57.040 jd vance and they are absolutely right to call this out because it is absolutely outrageous but what we

00:50:02.720 need in this country and i think what we're going to get is a government that understands what this country

00:50:06.720 used to be about free speech individual liberty equality before the law and we're not going to have this

00:50:13.280 dogmatic experiment imposed on us curtailing what we can and cannot say about issues the ruling class

00:50:20.080 would rather we not talk about

00:50:24.080 matt uh thanks very much for coming on the show steve bannon loves your analysis as do i his uh

00:50:30.800 sub stack is matt goodwin.org and you can find him on getter at goodwin mj that's on on twitter

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Bannon's War Room - September 26, 2025

WarRoom Battleground EP 858： Dems Search For A Shtick As MAGA Is Now The Workers’ Voice, And Nigel Farage Looks Unstoppable in UK

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