In an interview with EWTN, Pope Francis said that if you are anti-abortion and pro-death penalty, you re not pro-life. What does this mean for the future direction of this papacy? And what does it mean for Pope Francis and the Catholic Church as a whole?
00:02:04.000Before we break it down, why don't we have a quick look at exactly what Pope Leo said in his own words.
00:02:11.000With Cardinal Cupich giving an award to Senator Durbin, some people of faith are having a hard time with understanding this
00:02:21.000because he is pro, or rather, he's for legalized abortion.
00:02:26.000How would you help people of faith right now decipher that, feel about that, and how do you feel about that?
00:02:33.000I'm not terribly familiar with the particular case.
00:02:38.000I think that it's very important to look at the overall work that a senator has done during, if I'm not mistaken,
00:02:46.00040 years of service in the United States Senate.
00:02:50.000I understand the difficulty and the tensions, but I think, as I myself have spoken in the past,
00:02:57.000it's important to look at many issues that are related to what is the teaching of the Church.
00:03:02.000Someone who says I'm against abortion but says I'm in favor of the death penalty is not really pro-life.
00:03:08.000So, someone who says that I'm against abortion but I'm in agreement with the inhuman treatment of immigrants
00:03:17.000who are in the United States, I don't know if that's pro-life.
00:03:19.000So, they're very complex issues. I don't know if anyone has all the truth on them.
00:03:26.000I'm going to come to Frank in just a moment for his response, but let's start with you, Liz.
00:03:31.000This is absolutely astonishing on so many different levels.
00:03:35.000Here you have a man recognized as Pope, let me put it like that, a man recognized as Pope, the successor to St. Peter, the earthly guide of the Catholic Church,
00:03:50.000making this claim that, and there are so many things, and you could basically have the whole show digesting what he just said word for word,
00:03:59.000but basically saying, or literally saying, that if you are anti-abortion but pro-death penalty, you're not pro-life.
00:04:10.000And if you are anti-abortion and anti-invasion, you're not pro-life.
00:04:17.000You're not pro-life. There's a huge mix-up between what the Catholic Church teaches as faith and morals and what the Church teaches as a prudential issue.
00:04:28.000For the non-Catholicist listening, prudential issues are those issues where Catholics of good faith can disagree.
00:04:34.000They agree on the fundamental aims, but they're legitimately allowed diverging opinions on how to get there.
00:04:42.000Classically, the immigration policy would be considered prudential.
00:04:47.000That is to say, it's up to individual Catholics in good faith to decide how and what, if any, that level of immigration should be.
00:04:55.000Whether you support the death penalty or not, I think might be prudential.
00:05:02.000Abortion is absolutely not prudential.
00:05:04.000But what you cannot say is that the death penalty is against Catholic teaching.
00:05:09.000Liz, why don't you sort of take a step back and explain where we might have heard some of these ideas before
00:05:18.000that Pope Leo exposed there in almost word-for-word perfection.
00:05:25.000Where have we heard these ideas before?
00:05:27.000And what does that mean for the future direction of this papacy?
00:05:32.000Well, first of all, I think this is Leo's who am I to judge moment.
00:05:47.000I would call the headline of this scandal, Leo exposed, Supich burned, and Durbin canceled.
00:05:55.000You know, Bishop Papaki, who actually was one of the 10 bishops who said that this award brings a scandal to the church,
00:06:05.000had no idea that this was going to bring scandal to the entire global church when Leo decided to weigh in.
00:06:14.000And he walked right into it, and I think the Catholic Church needs to wake up.
00:06:19.000This is a very revealing teaching moment.
00:06:24.000Leo knows darn well what's going on in the American church.
00:06:28.000And I thought it was very interesting, wasn't it, when he said, I'm not terribly familiar with this case.
00:06:34.000And then he began to list all of the things that he knew about the case.
00:06:40.000He knew that Dick Durbin was a senator for 40 years.
00:06:43.000He knew his position on the death penalty.
00:06:45.000He knew that Durbin was a big advocate of open borders and illegal immigration.
00:06:50.000I would argue, you know, check out Leo's blink rate when he starts responding to this question.
00:06:57.000He dug himself into another Bernadine seamless garment moment.
00:07:05.000And the outrageous moral equivalency of arguing that abortion and euthanasia are equal to the death penalty and illegal immigration is outrageous.
00:07:19.000And calling people who support the death penalty that they're really not pro-life.
00:07:25.000I mean, look at the overall work of Dick Durbin.
00:07:29.000He received 100% favorable rating from Planned Parenthood supporting laws that would not provide assistance for born alive babies who were the victims of abortion.
00:07:45.000And he's calling this a complex issue.
00:07:47.000And he's calling this a complex issue.
00:07:49.000I don't know if anyone has the truth of them, is what he said.
00:07:53.000And we need to find a way forward for the Catholic Church.
00:07:57.000Look, I mean, this is absolutely outrageous.
00:08:01.000And he is saying he is saying we need to dialogue on this issue.
00:08:06.000Remember, this is a favorite word of Leo's dialogue.
00:08:10.000And for example, in my opinion, abortion and illegal immigration aren't the same because unborn children in the womb cannot dialogue on their behalf.
00:08:22.000Unborn, helpless children in the womb are murdered by suction or scalpel mutilation or poisoning.
00:09:27.000I mean, the timing on this is quite interesting.
00:09:29.000Had he waited a few hours, the the agreement this, you know, award was pulled ultimately because of the firestorm that it created in America.
00:09:41.000Had Leo waited a few more hours, it would have been a moot point.
00:09:54.000I mean, of all the liberal progressive, you know, national Catholic reporter type platitudes, he didn't come out with.
00:10:04.000It's probably the only one in his in his in his response was that, you know, you guys, you pro life guys only care about babies before they're born.
00:10:11.000And you don't care about them at the moment.
00:10:13.000That's the only thing he didn't say it going through his list.
00:10:16.000Frank Walker, let me ask you now this, because you spend a lot of time.
00:10:23.000In fact, I think you are the point guy that I would certainly highlight who goes through religiously what all of the Catholic media are up to and their breaks and their analysis on this.
00:10:36.000Tell me one thing, because there had been a couple of people coming out.
00:10:42.000Bishop Strickland, who was removed by Francis.
00:10:46.000Let's see whether in Texas, I think it was Texas, wasn't it?
00:10:51.000Let's see whether Leo gives him his diocese back.
00:10:55.000But you had a couple of people coming out and going quite heavily on Cardinal Cupich for this this award on for Senator Dick Durbin.
00:11:10.000And you had a lot of trad ink in the media doing so as well.
00:11:14.000And then Leo comes out. This is the guy we're supposed to be not judging.
00:11:19.000This is the guy we're supposed to be waiting to see how the paper signal unfolds.
00:11:23.000Give him time to get his feet under his desk.
00:11:26.000He comes out and gives Cardinal Cupich the most vociferous, full-throated endorsement on everything.
00:11:35.000What are the people who've just been criticizing exactly the same declarations against Cardinal Cupich going to do now that Pope Leo has come out and repeated it?
00:11:47.000They're in somewhat of a quandary now, right?
00:11:50.000Well, they haven't had a hard time crying about it.
00:11:55.000They're saying things like disgusting, disgraceful, that they've all turned.
00:12:00.000All of a sudden, they've turned on Leo. And I think that hopefully they're going to stick with that.
00:12:05.000They're going to keep telling the truth.
00:12:07.000But it's amazing how far that Leo has fallen because they painted him as a Catholic.
00:12:13.000They painted him as sort of like, I know, a Pope Benedict Catholic.
00:12:16.000And now, perhaps it's a mistake on his part.
00:12:23.000But because this happened in conjunction with this Cardinal Cupich, where they made such a strong defense of Catholicism at the same time, it puts him right there with Cardinal Cupich, who is one of the most despised bishops among Catholics and in the church.
00:12:43.000I mean, there's others that are maybe despised almost as much.
00:12:47.000There's certainly others as despicable as Cardinal Cupich.
00:12:49.000But he's he's the one that is the one who'll step out there and do what he did with with Cardinal Durbin.
00:12:55.000Remember, I mean, with with Senator Durbin, when they were trying when the when they were the USCCB was having their meeting and they're trying to make pro-life a preeminent part of their of their position.
00:13:07.000He fought them tooth and nail. And so now here he is, this pope who's supposed to be more Catholic.
00:13:14.000And he's actually turning out to be I think I don't think that there's so much a mistake.
00:13:18.000I think it's purposeful. I think he's angry about what they've done with with a supich.
00:13:23.000I think he is a supich and he's teaming up with him trying to throw some clout, put some weight behind what supich is in the face of all of this, this some Catholic pushback.
00:13:34.000So I think that from now on, people are going to know that Leo is and all these traditional writers are have to know that Leo is a supich.
00:13:45.000He's the supich pope. Not only he's completely on the same position and he's different than Francis in that he has said doctrine can be changed by attitudes.
00:13:55.000And here he is now, a week later, from the interview, saying that I'm not really sure, but this is this is you're not pro-life if you I'm not really sure about illegal aliens, but you're not pro-life if you're for the death penalty.
00:14:07.000That's not church teaching. That's against Aquinas himself. The death penalty protects lives.
00:14:13.000He never considered that, you know, it, this, this is a, this is a disgrace, like, like, but on that point, on that point, Frank Walker, what exactly does he mean when he says that Americans should search together for the truth on ethical issues?
00:14:31.000Well, I know, uh, Cardinal Supich responded with a big long letter because, uh, Dick Durbin has pulled out of that event at the same time. Everything's happening at once.
00:14:41.000So he pulled out of the, out of the event and in a two page response, uh, he ends, Cardinal Supich ends with saying, well, we need more synodality.
00:14:49.000We need more, we need some of that synodality in order to make Leo's change of doctrine and the attitudes that must precipitate it happen.
00:14:57.000Now, obviously you people need more synodality. What we need is a, is Catholic leadership somewhere in the church. We need a leader, a pope who actually expresses that. I mean, doctrine hasn't disappeared.
00:15:10.000There's still a billion people out there that believe it. And, but these guys are pretending that they can change it. And that's not going to go over. All that's going to do is destroy the Catholic church.
00:15:21.000No, we don't need any more synodality. And this is a great example of what synodality is all about. It's about death.
00:15:28.000Um, thanks standby. Cause we're going to come back now to you to break down some of the developments, um, in our little corner of Christendom.
00:15:41.000Um, but I just, before handing over before, before, before, before we do that, I, um, I want to highlight an analysis on everything that we've just been speaking about by, uh, Chris Jackson.
00:15:53.360I know we mentioned him from time to time, uh, on the war room, on this slot, on this 6 PM slot.
00:16:01.940Um, I just want to, one quote, the real betrayal is that traditional media kept their readers from seeing this Pope Leo intervention coming.
00:16:12.760They knew it, they hid it, they mocked those who spoke up.
00:16:16.260Every single person in this article is someone that we would have put a question mark.
00:16:21.620Thanks Denver, that's the article I'm talking about.
00:16:23.320Um, every single person listed in this article is someone that we, that we, the war room might've said, just pay attention to these guys because they're more interested in conditioning the news for you than telling you the news and letting you make your own mind up.
00:16:39.740And they're doing this because the, the grift implications.
00:16:42.240The only person in this article who's named in a positive sense, um, is Liz Yor, the war room's very own Liz Yor.
00:16:50.840Um, and that's because here on this war room, we have within the first 25 hours been alerting and warning people to exactly what this, um, what this pontificate represents and why Leo was chosen.
00:17:05.180Um, and I say, as I said last Wednesday, I'll say it again.
00:17:09.800The three sources I think are the war room, Chris Jackson, and of course, Canon 212, Frank Walker's very own website, which I do very strongly recommend you folks.
00:17:20.840As a, as a, as a go-to source every day.
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00:18:32.720So moving on with the show, one of the headlines that I saw this week, which, which shocked even me, and I, you know, I thought my beady cynical eyes had seen it all.
00:18:47.040There is a priest here, former priest, defrocked priest here, um, in Louisiana, who has been arrested for raping, repeatedly raping, starting when he was age 10, a disabled boy in a wheelchair with autism.
00:19:04.540Frank Walker, tell me about this case, uh, and is it really as horrific as it sounds?
00:19:14.740I question whether, uh, I mean, how uncommon these kinds of things are actually, but when you read about it, it's just awful.
00:19:22.000It's this, uh, priest, Father Mark, Mark Francis Ford.
00:19:25.260He's no longer a priest, but he, uh, he, um, had, uh, a group founded to help disabilities and through this disability group.
00:19:34.580And this is the kind of thing that you've seen before with, um, uh, Jane Vanier and Jimmy Saville, people who have groups of children that they, that they care about and they have this, it's sort of to protect their, their proclivity.
00:19:48.640So he, yeah, when he was 10 years old, he met this boy and he had sex with this boy.
00:19:53.140He's, um, you know, he has a spinal, uh, deteriorating spinal condition, and he's also somewhat autistic.
00:19:59.500He has classified as a juvenile permanently.
00:20:02.760Now he's 31 years old for, for, for, for, I think for 16 years, he molested this boy.
00:20:07.480And, uh, somewhere along the line in this article, it says they, he left the priesthood, but they don't say why.
00:20:14.380I'm not sure if he, I don't think he was a priest necessarily when he went into the government, he started with the Democrat Blanco government in New Orleans.
00:20:20.720And then with Bobby Jindal's government when he was governor.
00:20:27.820And, uh, so he moved into helping both, you know, indigenous people and, and, uh, and, uh, um, and disabled children.
00:20:36.240But, uh, if you look at the picture of him, it's quite striking, um, because he's, he's, needs to be extradited from, I think, from Indiana to New Orleans.
00:20:44.580But the look on his face, he does not look sorry.
00:20:48.160He looks like he's got such, it's sort of a frightening attitude to see the look of this guy's face.
00:20:53.140He's charged with first degree rape, second degree kidnapping, sexual battery, and indecent behavior with a juvenile.
00:20:59.080And, uh, and, and this is all in the context of this big, um, uh, a New Orleans bankruptcy case.
00:21:05.640And they're, they're replacing, and now they've $230 million they've offered in bankruptcy.
00:21:11.480And, and we talked about this before at your show, but they're, they're replacing Archbishop Amon, who has a history of accusations in his seminary that are also gruesome.
00:21:22.320The, the bishop, the archbishop, they've been replaced with Bishop Cecchio, who is a McCarrick, another McCarrick bishop who Leo has put in place.
00:21:31.920You know, you know, more evidence, this guy, this guy ran the Pontifical North American College, which is like the bishop making college, where 10% of the, of the students were, had AIDS.
00:21:43.540You know, and, and he's, and he worked together with McCarrick and there's just a lot of stuff on Cecchio.
00:21:49.540He's not going to be, he's not going to be any good.
00:21:52.940The reason Frank Walker, that we, that we mentioned these developments, these stories on the show is not to create scandal, but to warn faithful Catholics that the people who, who ordain these men, the bishops who ordain, who choose these men, specifically these men for ordination, they sift out all the, all the good guys with strong Catholic faith.
00:22:21.780They say, no, you can't, we won't make you a priest because you're too rigid.
00:22:25.120The people that they go ahead and ordain these people, right?
00:22:28.880These bishops, these are the people that expect us to docilely, docilely submit to their authority.
00:22:38.200And that's why you mentioned these stories on the show, not to create scandal, but say to the Catholic faithful, these are the people, the men that expect us to docilely submit to their authority have been doing this.
00:22:51.780Enabling this, covering for this for decades, for decades and decades and decades.
00:22:59.460And that's why we're on the wall and say that we have to take the, the, the, the governance of the, the laity needs to take the governance of the, of the Catholic church out of the bishop's hands and into, into the hands of, of well-formed believing laity.
00:23:15.280Because we will certainly stamp this sort of thing out.
00:23:18.380Frank, moving on, I know we, we, we've got a, we've got a break coming up in just a couple of minutes, but I do want you to, if you can, just tell us what happened in my beloved, there are so many horror stories,
00:23:30.340but we don't have time for the, for the, for the one in Switzerland, sadly, but my beloved homeland, there's a guy in a, in a, in a riot in Birmingham who was saying who the F is Allah.
00:23:42.580Now you might not approve of the language.
00:23:44.920You might not approve of the swearing.
00:23:47.240You might not approve of being deliberately provocative towards another religion, but what has happened to him in the UK, Frank Walker?
00:23:55.040Well, he's been, he's been convicted of insulting Islam, which is sort of like what they call blasphemy laws.
00:24:04.580So he, he was in, he was sort of, they said he was a leader of the rally.
00:24:11.540And he, but he, you know, there were people throwing things.
00:24:14.780There were people waving sticks and hurling, they called missiles at people.
00:24:19.060They're, he's only, they say he only was yelling at the police and this, who the F is Allah is recorded.
00:24:26.600And this is what they got him on because, you know, that is illegal.
00:24:31.540I don't, I don't know if it would work the other way because in a, you know, you can't pray in front of abortion where even silently in the UK, I think that these laws are all, all one-sided.
00:24:43.920Yeah. And he was very sorry in the, in the court, you know, but I wonder, I wish that his testimony could actually say what he thought, because what are they supposed to do?
00:24:54.620And why are, my question is, why are these things happening in this country?
00:24:57.900I know it's because of the crime, but I think they're looking and they're saying, we have to yell at the police because we have no justice.
00:25:03.640And, and they're Islamicizing our country and they can see now what it's going to become.
00:25:08.820And I, I think it's like, it's like this stage back from a war.
00:25:14.220So, so the, the, the, the, the, the, the background of this is that Nathan Poole, who's a, as you say, a 32 year old tarmac layer, but that is to say a blue collar worker, regular guy, has been jailed for 30 months.
00:25:30.260Folks, he has been a guy, a guy, a guy protesting in Birmingham, which has a huge ethnic minority, majority, has been sent to prison for 30 months because he said, who the F is Allah.
00:25:45.780Um, that's where we are in the UK now.
00:25:52.640If you are implementing, using the secular laws of the land to protect and defend the integrity of Islam, that makes it a Sharia state in all but name.
00:26:04.800Um, because they have the arithmetic, um, the Muslims have the arithmetic and the Catholics and the Christians and evangelicals in the, in the UK are so few in number now.
00:26:15.540Um, we, we don't even create a ripple when it comes to legislation.
00:26:18.960There are no blasphemy laws to protect Christians when you have these great art installations.
00:26:26.280And we'll talk about that, um, just after this break.
00:26:28.820But you have these art installations which are clearly blasphemous, clearly, um, outrageous and designed to generate social media engagement because of their provocations towards figures that Christians esteem in holding great reverence like Jesus Christ, like his Blessed Mother, the Virgin Mary.
00:26:48.340Um, there are no blasphemy laws to protect Christians there.
00:26:52.600But blasphemy laws, yes, to protect Islam from offense.
00:26:57.200That is the modern-day United Kingdom.
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00:31:23.660Well, last week, something that I said created a lot of discussion on X.
00:31:30.420that I noticed, and it wasn't very complimentary towards myself, it was referring to Charlie Kirk
00:31:37.340wearing a medallion of Saint Michael the Archangel.
00:31:41.260And I happen to say that I think this is the work of the Holy Spirit, that evangelicals, some evangelicals, obviously not all, some evangelicals are finding some spiritual consolation in the traditional Catholic devotionals.
00:32:52.160I think the evangelicals do certain things better than Catholics, and that we would be stronger if we were able to learn from evangelicals.
00:33:07.720And this is something that I've long thought, that the problem with ecumenism over the years, over the decades, has effectively been.
00:33:17.640It's been the Catholics who don't believe a word of their faith getting together with Protestants who don't believe a word of their faith,
00:33:26.720producing meaningless, unreadable declarations about how much they all hold in common.
00:33:32.700Well, of course, they hold lots in common, principally that neither of them, none of them believe any words of their own faiths.
00:33:39.580It's just a grift, it's just a shtick that they use to put a roof over their heads and food on the table and social reputation of being in the clergy.
00:33:54.920And what I would like to see is traditional Catholics, the ecumenism I would like to see is traditional Catholics coming together with believing evangelicals,
00:34:12.920especially in the public square, especially to fight for the issues that are important to Christians.
00:34:21.400So that's something else I would like to say, as I was saying in the first part of the show,
00:34:28.000that we need to take the management of the laity, the Catholic laity needs to take the management of the winning of the Catholic Church into its own hands from the bishops.
00:34:36.640And the other thing I would like to see, one of the other things I would like to see is an ecumenism where traditional Catholics can embrace conservative evangelicals.
00:34:49.400And I have no problem when evangelicals say, all you Catholics, you're all going to hell.
00:34:57.280I don't have any problem. I respect that.
00:34:59.620What I don't really like are evangelicals who will sit on their hands and say, oh, no, we don't want to upset Catholics.
00:35:05.320And Eden, Catholics should have courage as well in expositioning, laying out why we believe what we believe.
00:35:18.560That, I think, is something that we, the laity, can do because our hireling shepherd leaders certainly aren't going to help with that.
00:35:28.000So why that introduction? Well, on the back of everyone on X saying, oh, well, you have no idea what you're talking about.
00:35:36.320No, no evangelicals are drawing sustenance from Catholic devotionals.
00:35:42.420President Trump put out a message on the feast of St. Michael, the archangel.
00:35:53.500Now, I'm not going to say that President Trump is doing this and therefore all evangelicals should follow his line.
00:35:59.580Because I don't really know how substantial a believer President Trump is.
00:36:06.340I certainly think the Holy Spirit, when President Trump is doing things to advance Christendom here on Earth,
00:36:14.180I certainly think the Holy Spirit is working through him.
00:36:18.900I think when that bullet missed President Trump by a mere whisker in Butler, Pennsylvania last year, I think that was the Holy Spirit.
00:36:29.580At work. Liz York, tell us then a bit about what President Trump said about Christians.
00:36:41.620I don't even see the word Catholic in here, in his statement.
00:36:45.440Tell us a bit about what he said about St. Michael, the archangel, why it's important, why Catholics think it's important.
00:36:54.100And with the greatest of, really, what I was just saying, the greatest of respect and openness towards our evangelical brothers and sisters, why they might find it important as well.
00:37:05.280Yes, I was personally astonished by this statement from President Trump.
00:37:11.380I'd like to read a portion of it because I think it's very compelling.
00:37:16.180And, you know, for those of us, you know, my work in child protection, St. Michael has been an integral part.
00:37:23.220I began to learn about him, pray to him daily to protect children.
00:37:28.760And so for me as a Catholic, my devotion to St. Michael is very great.
00:37:35.480And also, I think, so I was thrilled to see this, but this is what President Trump issued on the feast day of St. Michael, the archangel.
00:37:43.480Today, I salute the millions of Christian believers in the United States and around the world, observing the feast of St. Michael, the archangel.
00:37:52.140According to sacred scripture, when the devil rebelled against God in heaven, St. Michael and his legion of angels cast Satan down to earth, triumphantly asserting God's sovereignty over all creation.
00:38:05.640For 2,000 years, Christians have looked to St. Michael, the archangel for protection, strength, and courage in times of conflict, distress, and doubt.
00:38:16.780And in 1886, nearly 140 years ago, the Pope Leo XIII, the leader of the Roman Catholic Church, fearing for the future of the Western world, introduced the legendary prayer to St. Michael, which is still recited to this day in churches and homes and after masses all across the nation and throughout the world.
00:39:13.020An inspiration, somebody that we can turn to in these times, which clearly need the protection of the angels.
00:39:23.200Many of us, both Christians and Catholics, certainly believe in our guardian angels, to pray to our guardian angels every morning.
00:39:31.440So I think this is a very compelling message from President Trump.
00:39:36.860And, you know, frankly, you know, this is, here we are, ironically coming from, you know, a secular, I guess, Christian in the White House, extolling a beloved saint in the Catholic Church, when, you know, we're talking previously about, you know, the quote unquote vicar of Christ, who is promoting a secular agenda.
00:40:03.100So, you know, the irony is quite great.
00:40:33.080And this is certainly a powerful figure and devotion that I would encourage, especially now as we face all the challenges in the world, that we learn St. Michael's prayer.
00:40:46.440And that those Catholics that aren't saying it after mass, this is something, you know, this, you talk about the laity.
00:40:52.400This is something that the laity can do once mass ends to just on your own, start praying loudly the St. Michael prayer.
00:41:02.920It's it's it's it's this is totally unpredicted, I think, of the out of the Trump phenomenon that we're seeing a figure here who has done more, I think, to unashamedly defend.
00:41:22.620And the presence of Christianity in the public square, probably, I don't know, than than any other president for two centuries.
00:41:34.960And becoming and becoming and becoming and when he puts out statements like this and he's nobody like we've seen the memes with with president, the AI design means of President Trump in the full paper or Schmutter, right, which are very amusing.
00:41:54.400But really, Donald Trump is nobody's idea of a traditional Catholic icon.
00:42:07.640Congratulatory note, note statements like this, I didn't say anything, by the way, as you're saying, Liz, I didn't say anything myself similarly put out by by Pope Leo.
00:42:21.880But when he does that, he's becoming in himself a point of unity between Catholics and traditional Catholics who look to President Trump as being their political point of inspiration and also evangelicals who look to the same President Trump for political inspiration.
00:42:42.700And he's putting out these statements.
00:43:14.700And my message then, therefore, to all baptized of goodwill, just that there's a spiritual richness in some of these things that you might be evangelical.
00:43:28.980You might even be Catholic and say, I would know, you know, I wouldn't even think about wearing a devotional.
00:43:33.360But these things are – they are having a renaissance.
00:43:39.560And I think that is the Holy Spirit's work.
00:43:41.460And I think the Holy Spirit is working through President Donald Trump on something like this, where he puts out this statement.
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00:45:02.160Now, staying with Pope Leo XIV, he's just made an appointment of Christiana Perella as the new head of the Pontifical Academy for Fine Arts, an appointment that some people are calling scandalous.
00:45:19.260Frank Walker, tell us a bit about this appointment and why is it getting some people so concerned?
00:45:26.260Well, I mean, it's completely outrageous.
00:45:30.500I read about this a couple weeks ago and it was just shocking because what I was reading came with the photos.
00:45:36.160Christiana Perella is the new head of the Pontifical Academy of Fine Arts.
00:47:43.120This is the winning theme of today's show.
00:47:45.680Faithful Catholics do not give your docility to these people, not not to your bishops, not to to to your cardinals and certainly not to the pope, because these people do not have your your faith, the faith that you love, the faith that you cherish.
00:48:02.800They do not have these things at heart.
00:48:05.900Or in fact, all they're trying to do is undermine this.
00:48:08.300Liz, just give me 90 seconds, your reaction to this appointment.
00:48:12.920Earlier in the show, we were talking about truth being assaulted by Leo and that he was undermining 2000 years of the truth of the Catholic Church and the dog mother church.
00:48:27.480We saw that last week when the LGBT scandal in St.
00:48:33.200Peter's Basilica, where they walked in with LGBT paraphernalia and blasphemous T-shirts.
00:48:40.620This is the attack on the Catholic Church, everything that the church stands for, truth, beauty, and it's being assaulted, minimized, erased by the new synodal church.
00:48:56.560The new synodal church is the promotion of the LGBT eroticism, and this is it on display.
00:49:07.120And they are becoming part of the secular world.
00:49:16.040It's all strategic by the Vatican, and these appointments are going to continue to shock and be absolutely undermining the faith of 2000 years.
00:49:33.700And, you know, as a woman, I'm insulted that he hires these women to promote this pornography and debasement of the arts and culture when we have 2000 years of magnificent art and culture and music.
00:50:21.980Leo Vatican is coordinating a full frontal assault on truth, goodness, and beauty.
00:50:29.860But the point you mentioned, Liz, I think is absolutely perfect.
00:50:33.120If it wasn't obvious from what these people had done to the liturgy of the last 60 years with the assault on beauty, now they're making it explicit.
00:50:42.160Now, folks, they are giving you no wiggle room to claim that you can't see what's going on.
00:50:47.020This is in-your-face pornography in the Vatican masquerading itself as art.
00:50:53.480Lizzie, where do people go on social media to keep up with your analysis?