Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 864：： Dems Lose Out In The Schumer Shutdown; We Need More Indictments

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00:00:24.760 Through our last night on shore, where'er we go, until we meet once more, we're fresh to do our path before it's gone.

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00:02:42.260 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

00:03:00.820 Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.

00:03:06.160 I got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people.

00:03:10.420 The people have had a belly full of it.

00:03:12.260 I know you don't like hearing that.

00:03:13.820 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.

00:03:16.460 It's going to happen.

00:03:17.740 And where do people like that go to share the big line?

00:03:21.120 MAGA Media.

00:03:22.520 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

00:03:27.900 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

00:03:31.660 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

00:03:37.940 War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.

00:03:42.260 6th October, 2025, Monday.

00:03:50.780 Day of action.

00:03:53.100 The fleet activity yesterday, amazing.

00:03:55.360 It's kind of rolled through the day.

00:03:56.460 He rejuvenated and recharged President Trump as he tries to bring peace to the Middle East and to the rest of the world.

00:04:02.560 Ukraine, all of it.

00:04:03.520 In fact, three of, I think, the smartest guys around to join us, Roger Kimball, Dr. Bradley Thayer, and Ben Harnwell.

00:04:11.100 Roger Kimball, I'm going to start with you.

00:04:14.520 Tell me about this piece you've written, kind of the difference between President Trump's first term and the second,

00:04:19.660 because we're seeing he's got a very different cut of the jib, as we say in the Navy, and a much more kind of, I don't know, purposefulness or just more energy, more focused,

00:04:33.640 and really taking on trying to create world peace or bring world peace to the bloodlands in Ukraine and to the Middle East and also trying to put down an insurrection here at home.

00:04:46.140 Sir, the floor goes on this magnificent article.

00:04:50.140 Yes.

00:04:50.560 Well, not only is the jib cut differently, but the spinnaker has been deployed, and we have the wind behind us.

00:05:01.120 It's really quite extraordinary what's going on in this second term.

00:05:05.660 It is like night and day between Trump 1.0 and Trump 2.0.

00:05:11.640 Of course, it got off to a bang with his inauguration address.

00:05:15.560 I mean, no sooner was that the ink dry on that address that he issued all these executive orders outline diversity, equity, and inclusion throughout the federal government in the opening days of his second administration.

00:05:34.080 And it's not just the executive orders.

00:05:36.420 It's actually the will to see that these orders are accomplished.

00:05:41.140 So in my article yesterday for American Greatness, I dilated especially on Pash Patel's emancipation of the FBI from the racist organizations,

00:05:59.200 such racist organizations as the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center,

00:06:06.340 which pretends it's been around since the 1970s.

00:06:10.580 They pretend to be fighting bigotry and racism and so on.

00:06:15.040 Actually, what they're expert at is lining their own pockets to say it's a not-for-profit that has something like half a billion dollars in the bank.

00:06:26.160 Banks, by the way, many of which are offshore, like the Cayman Islands and so on.

00:06:32.200 But what they basically do is they're kind of a protection racket.

00:06:38.780 They're shaking people down.

00:06:42.320 They've published for many years now what they call a hate map, a hate map.

00:06:48.620 And if you go look at it, you see all these little circles.

00:06:52.400 And these are supposed to be individuals and institutions that are fomenting hate around the country.

00:07:00.260 I was happy to see, by the way, that when Stephen K. Bannon in War Room makes the cut, you're there as a fomenter of hate.

00:07:11.400 What they mean, of course, is that you have opinions that differ from the left progressive identity politics that they are attempting to foist on the country.

00:07:26.240 So they use phrases like far right because adding that adjective at the beginning makes it sound scarier.

00:07:36.600 Or they use the term alt-right.

00:07:40.000 That sounds even scarier.

00:07:42.460 But what they mean is somebody who actually cares about the institutions, the history, and the culture of this country.

00:07:50.800 And so it's wonderful that Kash Patel has emancipated the FBI from this horrible institution.

00:08:01.220 They were feeding not only the FBI, but in the bad old days before Elon Musk took it over, what used to be called Twitter, they would feed them the names of people, of institutions that they should censor, that they should kick off Twitter.

00:08:23.180 This would be people like the president of the United States, for example, or the New York Post, or Miranda Devine, who reported for the New York Post on Hunter Biden's laptop, which we were assured was a Russian hoax at the time.

00:08:38.940 We had 51 intelligence officers, or former intelligence officers, vouchsafing for this idea.

00:08:49.080 But of course, it turned out it wasn't Russian intelligence.

00:08:51.680 It was Hunter Biden's own laptop full of compromising information.

00:08:57.100 So that's what the article is about, and I think anything that can be done to undermine the Southern Poverty Law Center is all to the good.

00:09:12.540 Because like so many democratic initiatives, they are basically in the business of projection.

00:09:19.800 That is to say, they are guilty of the very thing that they accuse other people of.

00:09:25.120 So they keep going on and on about racism and bigotry and divisiveness.

00:09:31.500 There is no more divisive institution in this country than the so-called Southern Poverty Law Center.

00:09:41.760 Do you think, and I think it's great, you're going after ADL, you're going after Southern Poverty Law Center.

00:09:47.400 I also think we ought to, people should start gearing up big civil suits against these, bankrupt them, go after their donors.

00:09:55.880 I think we definitely have to go after their donors and all of it.

00:09:59.260 It's one of those things, unless you get to the roots of it and pull out the roots and put the fear of God into the people actually finance this.

00:10:07.420 It's not just the front, not just the people who work at ADL, Rosenblatt and that crowd. 0.62

00:10:10.860 They're all corrupt and a bunch of Marxists and have done more damage to the Jewish people than any other organization I can think of. 1.00

00:10:19.460 Yes. 0.99

00:10:19.920 It's one of the reasons, they're one of the reasons that the polling is so horrible about, in regards to the Jewish people in the country.

00:10:27.820 It's because of ADL and groups like ADL.

00:10:30.620 But do you think in this 2.0, walk me through actually getting to the heart of the beast because you've got to deconstruct the administrative state, which Russ Vogt is all triggered on now doing with the shutdown.

00:10:43.740 And we know that the, as I said, the Elon thing was, Elmo's thing was what a six-year-old child thinks of, and that's why nothing happened with it.

00:10:53.360 But more importantly, the deep state, do you think we're aggressively enough?

00:10:58.120 I haven't seen perp walks yet.

00:10:59.960 Do you think we're – because we're burning daylight, and you know the deep state is just trying to wait Trump out, sir.

00:11:05.700 Yes.

00:11:06.040 Well, it's – they've got three and a half years to go, and then they have eight years of J.D. Vance or Marco Rubio, and then eight more years of either J.D. Vance or Marco Rubio.

00:11:16.280 So they're going to have – it's going to be a long wait.

00:11:18.760 Now, of course, if –

00:11:21.760 I could not disagree with you more.

00:11:24.160 I think if you're looking at that, that's a fantasy, but we'll deal with that another time.

00:11:28.300 Deal with the reality.

00:11:29.320 We say three and a half years.

00:11:30.380 We say three and a half years.

00:11:31.940 They're trying to block him right now.

00:11:33.140 If Hakeem Jeffries wins the midterm, if Hakeem Jeffries wins the midterm – and by the way, it's not – if we don't get the 21 seats redistricted, he wins the midterm.

00:11:42.420 First thing he does is impeach Trump.

00:11:43.940 All the tech bros –

00:11:44.600 Absolutely.

00:11:44.980 All the tech bros are on the trigger to jump on it.

00:11:48.140 So you can't – don't give me 24 years. 0.99

00:11:50.280 That's a masturbatory fantasy. 0.97

00:11:51.760 Let's deal with reality. 0.99

00:11:53.560 Okay.

00:11:53.900 So you're right.

00:11:55.740 If they were to win in 2026, if they took back the House, the very first thing that they would do is impeach Trump.

00:12:03.040 I don't think it would – he wouldn't be convicted because I'm pretty sure we're going to hold the Senate.

00:12:08.280 I think it's likely that we'll hold the House.

00:12:10.300 I mean Hakeem Jeffries is not doing so well these days.

00:12:13.420 I mean he –

00:12:14.820 I agree.

00:12:15.240 He looks good in a sombrero, but that's about all you can say for him.

00:12:20.140 His poll ratings are in the tank as far as I can see.

00:12:24.340 But, you know, you're quite right.

00:12:26.240 We have – we are being aggressive.

00:12:28.820 Are we sufficiently aggressive?

00:12:30.800 I don't know.

00:12:31.540 But I think Russ Voigt is doing the right thing.

00:12:34.460 Listen, this shutdown, this Schumer shutdown, they are hurting themselves.

00:12:39.400 Who are the employees that are going to get laid off? 0.99

00:12:43.660 They're all Democrats.

00:12:44.960 There are all these federal employees that are all Democrats.

00:12:47.320 So it's actually quite clever of Trump to do this because he can – it's not just going to be furloughed.

00:12:56.240 He's going to get rid of the – he's going to get rid of the entire, you know, swaths of federal employees, which will all be Democrats. 0.55

00:13:05.040 And who are they going to blame?

00:13:06.520 They're not going to blame Donald Trump.

00:13:08.040 They're going to blame Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries.

00:13:12.560 So I'm, you know, cautiously optimistic, let us say, but I agree that we need to –

00:13:20.500 But Russ – okay, but Russ is the administrative state.

00:13:25.240 He will take some shots at the deep state.

00:13:27.580 But that intersection, the intersectionality of intelligence, law enforcement, national security, the arms makers, all that that formed the deep state,

00:13:39.960 are you comfortable right now that we're – I think we're burning daylight.

00:13:44.900 Are you comfortable now that we're actually taking that apart like it has to be taken apart?

00:13:49.880 Well, there always could be more done.

00:13:52.820 But the – if you compare what's going on right now to what was going on in 2017, I think it's – as I said at the beginning, it's like day and night.

00:14:03.100 We're doing a lot today.

00:14:05.820 Agreed.

00:14:06.160 We could do more.

00:14:06.980 Agreed.

00:14:07.080 We could do more.

00:14:09.000 But I think, you know, it's one step at a time.

00:14:11.680 He said, where are the perp walks?

00:14:12.840 Well, let's see what happens on Thursday.

00:14:15.060 That is when former FBI Director James Comey is arraigned.

00:14:20.420 Will there be a perp walk?

00:14:22.800 Maybe.

00:14:23.760 Maybe.

00:14:25.420 That would be good, in my opinion.

00:14:27.360 Well, it would be good.

00:14:29.460 Let me go –

00:14:31.080 I just want to say very quickly, I disagree with some friends of mine who think that it's totally outrageous that we are – that Comey has been indicted.

00:14:41.260 I think he is right in the center of the biggest political scandal in our history, right deep, right there in the center with Obama and John Brennan.

00:14:52.060 What is that, Roger?

00:14:53.940 Walk us through that when you say this.

00:14:55.820 Because I say this indictment is just – it's just an appetizer.

00:14:59.740 Walk me through why he's central, a central figure on the biggest political scandal in American history.

00:15:05.040 Well, because it was – remember, it was he and Barack Obama and Joe Biden and John Brennan and Susan Rice and a couple of other people in that meeting in the Oval Office on January 5th, 2017.

00:15:21.740 This was kind of the second big meeting to how were they going to prevent Trump from either taking office or failing that?

00:15:30.540 How were they going to destroy him?

00:15:31.940 He was right in the center of that.

00:15:35.040 So – and that, of course, I mean, what was he indicted for?

00:15:40.040 Well, he was indicted for the same thing that Mike Flynn was indicted for, except – or Roger Stone.

00:15:48.420 But he didn't have the FBI banging on his door at 6 o'clock in the morning with CNN alerted beforehand and so on.

00:15:56.640 So I think he – I think we're going to see that he is more deeply implicated in all of this than we understand at the moment.

00:16:07.540 I think there will be some additional counts to these indictments layered on here in due course.

00:16:17.220 Do you think – do you think the reason in 17 that we didn't get the traction to go with the deep state was the very fact of the conspiracy they had to basically take out Trump's major players and also to –

00:16:31.220 He didn't have any – who were his – who was in his cabinet?

00:16:35.840 Who, you know, he had – they made sure that he didn't have any reliable people next to him.

00:16:42.660 And, of course, the Department of Justice at that time was littered with people who were either feckless or enemies of Trump.

00:16:51.520 I mean, his attorney general, the first thing he did was to recuse himself.

00:16:56.540 I mean, in other words, he wasn't as – as the movie Godfather, but he was not a wartime consigliere.

00:17:03.400 And that's what Trump needed.

00:17:05.040 That's what he needs now.

00:17:06.260 And I believe that's what he's got with Pam Bondi.

00:17:09.500 Roger, last thing before you go.

00:17:13.880 What would be indications that they're taking it to the next level in 2.0 about getting to the core problems of this government, the deep state, the administrative state?

00:17:24.660 And, for instance, the reason Russ's vote has not pulled the trigger on a massive RIF program is not the Democrats, but it's Wall Street, the corporatists, and rhino Republicans all over President Trump this weekend saying, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. 0.58

00:17:39.220 We can't do that.

00:17:40.000 It'll cause chaos.

00:17:40.660 So what's the indicator you're looking for to show that we're going next level?

00:17:45.640 Well, I think if we need some serious – we need more indictments.

00:17:51.440 It would be nice to see some people actually held to account for their assault on the Constitution and the office of the presidency.

00:18:00.540 I think it will probably happen.

00:18:02.500 I would not be at all surprised.

00:18:04.760 Some people say it's a fantasy, but I would not be at all surprised to see Hillary Clinton indicted.

00:18:10.680 Personally, I think she should be.

00:18:12.680 Wow.

00:18:12.980 We'll see.

00:18:15.000 We'll see.

00:18:16.140 You say we're burning daylight.

00:18:17.720 We are.

00:18:18.140 But he's done an extraordinary amount in seven or eight months.

00:18:25.100 Accomplished more, I think, than any president of the United States, including FDR, has done in his first 250 days.

00:18:31.300 It's been extraordinary.

00:18:32.340 Amazing.

00:18:32.740 Roger, what are your coordinates?

00:18:34.000 Where do people get – you've got a book publishing company.

00:18:37.080 You write articles.

00:18:37.880 You write books.

00:18:38.440 Where do people go for all of it?

00:18:39.500 Well, Twitter is – or X is probably a good place because everything winds up there.

00:18:45.200 I'm just starting the substack very soon, but there we are.

00:18:48.840 It's just my name at X.

00:18:51.720 Wow.

00:18:51.980 So, yeah.

00:18:53.620 I can't wait until you start the substack.

00:18:55.760 That's amazing.

00:18:56.420 Roger Kimball, one of the great intellectual lights, public intellectuals of the MAGA movement.

00:19:01.640 Thank you, sir.

00:19:02.160 Appreciate you.

00:19:03.240 Thank you, Steve.

00:19:04.140 Take care.

00:19:04.540 Thayer, I want to use you as the bridge to get to Ben-Harn, where we're going to talk about the fall of the French government and maybe Ukraine, Middle East.

00:19:14.780 Yesterday, you've been a great – you're a great theoretician and strategist about naval strategy.

00:19:20.940 You also know a couple, three things about the invasion in our country and the terrorism, and you've been one of the architects behind the scenes of some of these terrorist ideas in how to get things rolled up in places like Portland and Chicago.

00:19:38.440 Give me your thoughts on what Roger Kimball just said, that 2.0 is very different than 1.0.

00:19:44.520 And where does 2.0 take us, sir?

00:19:48.180 Well, Roger is exactly right in terms of the direction is a very positive direction.

00:19:55.240 Burning daylight, to be sure, as he stressed and as you have many times in terms of what we need to accomplish.

00:20:03.280 The first administration was clearly, in so many respects, right, essentially an ISR mission, right, essentially intelligence surveillance and reconnaissance, finding out what needs to be done and how to get it done.

00:20:20.300 Now, with the second administration, that's being implemented.

00:20:23.860 I don't think anybody is satisfied, of course, with the totality of what needs to be done.

00:20:30.920 But in a practical sense, Steve, so much has been accomplished in these months by the administration.

00:20:42.080 We really have just gone through, however, the first layer or the second layer of really the nine layers of Troy, right?

00:20:49.560 I think Schliemann had to go through eight different Troys to get to the historical Troy, right?

00:20:56.540 So we've gone through maybe the first layer and the second layer, but we've got so many to do.

00:21:02.220 Going after the law firms, which President Trump did, that's tremendous progress.

00:21:08.100 Going after the universities, certainly.

00:21:11.360 But I was also struck by what Marjorie Taylor Greene said when you interviewed her last week.

00:21:18.180 None of this is essentially institutionalized, right?

00:21:23.960 Congress hasn't done anything of note in the president's agenda.

00:21:30.220 And so, as you again have stressed many times, they're just waiting them out.

00:21:34.360 They're waiting President Trump out.

00:21:37.000 So, so much has been done with executive orders.

00:21:40.100 So much has been done, really, in moving ahead with, as on September 25th, the identification of domestic terrorist organizations going after Antifa, the donors of the Democrats, the media, the Democratic Party, of course, politicians are going to be wrapped up in that as well.

00:22:01.040 Roger stressed the indictments.

00:22:02.860 That's critically important for accountability, which is absolutely necessary.

00:22:08.260 But in 2.0, in the second Trump administration, there also has to be the very positive agenda of making life better, of course, for working people, for the American people, for those who voted for him and are fundamentally the base.

00:22:29.320 Trump is working on that as administration is, but he's not getting help from anybody, in essence, on that agenda, in the Republican Party, on the Hill, or Republican donors, or big tech, or others who might be helping him, but who are not.

00:22:48.760 Fundamentally, Steve, to my mind, the greatest accomplishment of what President Trump is doing in the second term is restoring the American spirit.

00:22:57.700 He has touched on this directly or indirectly since the election when he went to Notre Dame, if you remember, in Paris in December, right, that was a theme, really, of his presence there.

00:23:13.760 It was in his inauguration, and we saw it most recently in Quantico last week, when he addressed, of course, the admirals and the generals, and then yesterday, of course, in his speech to the Navy, celebrating the 250th anniversary of the Navy.

00:23:32.740 Reawakening the American spirit, reaching out to Western civilization, right, that we're also seeing allies in the UK with Unite the Kingdoms, Tommy Robinson and others, Nigel Farage, groups, of course, in Italy, France, Germany, and elsewhere.

00:23:53.900 I think it's fundamentally the most important thing that he's accomplished thus far, much to be done in that regard, to be sure, but reawakening the American spirit, which entails a reawakening of a renaissance of Western civilization, is so important, and what he's driving at.

00:24:16.860 So many layers to go through, much to be accomplished, again, burning daylight, as we always stress, but that is, I think, Trump will be remembered for many things, but to my mind, that's one of the most fundamental things for which he's going to be remembered, and is going to accomplish in his time remaining in office.

00:24:41.420 Again, much has been done, but much more to be done in that regard, so he's clearing the layers out, many layers to go through as the archaeologist, but he's got his, essentially, hammer and tongs, or he's got his trowel, or whatever archaeologists use as their tool, to go through those layers, very importantly.

00:25:05.360 Hang on. I'm going to ask you about the geopolitics of the Navy demonstration yesterday. Ben Harnwell is also with us from our Rome Bureau, the International Bureau. We're going to take a short commercial break.

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00:31:09.660 Okay, Dr. Thayer, yesterday's commemoration celebration of Navy 250.

00:31:15.740 President Trump clearly got his batteries recharged.

00:31:19.620 What is our allies were watching?

00:31:22.460 Our enemies were watching.

00:31:24.660 The deep state was watching.

00:31:26.800 And folks here in the United States were watching.

00:31:29.260 Your thoughts, sir?

00:31:30.420 Well, my thoughts are these.

00:31:33.480 First, it was an extremely important event because the military and each military service, of course, is the product of a country.

00:31:42.820 It's a product of the society.

00:31:44.520 So the U.S. Navy is a product of America and American greatness.

00:31:49.960 And the best of what America is was on display yesterday, as it was on June 14th in the Army's 250 birthday.

00:31:57.900 And it will be again on November 10th when we celebrate the Marine Corps.

00:32:03.340 So that was extremely important.

00:32:06.780 And it really ties into a restoration of the American spirit, which President Trump is advancing.

00:32:14.520 Recognizing what these services have accomplished, what they have done through their august history, is absolutely important.

00:32:21.720 Additionally, it's right to celebrate the Navy and the other services because by so doing, you educate and inspire Americans.

00:32:30.880 Recruitment problems under Biden have disappeared now.

00:32:36.780 People want to join the services.

00:32:39.580 It also reminds our friends and our enemies of American power.

00:32:45.740 The U.S. Army and the U.S. Navy are formidable fighting services, the world's most formidable.

00:32:53.040 They've never failed to meet their missions.

00:32:55.760 And those missions are multiple, of course, but they've never failed to meet any of them.

00:33:01.160 If we're talking about the Navy from the Gator Navy in support of amphibious operations to see dominance, of course, of the big fleet.

00:33:11.260 So it educates Americans.

00:33:13.320 It sends messages to friends and foes that the Americans do indeed, as Teddy Roosevelt said, have a very big stick in the United States Navy.

00:33:23.240 It also gave us, I think, finally, Steve, the occasion to reflect on the history, but also prospectively to look to the future.

00:33:31.440 It was to recognize what the Navy had done in conjunction with sister services throughout the history of the United States Navy.

00:33:41.080 Lake Champlain, for example, saved the United States in the War of 1812.

00:33:45.640 The Battle of Lake Champlain, when the British were trying to split New England from the rest of the United States and might have gotten away with it.

00:33:53.740 Or the three battles of the Atlantic, of course, in World War I, World War II, and the Cold War.

00:33:59.540 The sacrifice of American submariners, of course, in World War II, when we lost 52 submarines, basically about 20 percent of submariners, horrific casualties that they suffered.

00:34:12.020 But prospectively, it allows us to appreciate that, as the Navy says, ships don't fight, but men do, right?

00:34:20.760 It's the morale of the U.S. Navy and of the services.

00:34:24.340 It's the recognition of the great admirals and other leaders, as well as enlisted leader, Chief Petty Offers, who've led the Navy, who've dealt with the adverse challenges the Navy has faced as a service, but also to meet the challenges that we face today.

00:34:41.100 Whether that's going to be in the Pacific, facing the Chinese Communist Party's People Liberation Army Navy, which is a formidable challenge or other challenges that we face around the globe.

00:34:54.680 The Navy is there, a forward deployed force and ready to fight.

00:34:59.020 So, despite the challenges, right, which are going to be considerable, and much needs to be done in terms of the infrastructure of the shipbuilding, as was stressed yesterday, and some other elements, we need to recognize that the Navy has contributed mightily, of course, to American security.

00:35:17.300 has never failed in any of its missions, and it and its sister services, of course, are a product of what makes America great, but also a reflection of the greatness of the American experiment, of American society.

00:35:31.800 And thank goodness we've had so many men and women who are willing to serve, have served in the past, are presently serving, and will serve in the future, to ensure the United States is safe and secure.

00:35:46.580 So, it was a great day, and it's right and proper that we take, we stop a moment and reflect on really what the military has provided us, and what the military gives society, but at the same time, what the military draws from American society at the same time.

00:36:07.420 So, great occasion, and November 10th for the Marine Corps, I'm sure will be, will be as well.

00:36:15.400 There'll be, there'll be some announcements later in the week about Marine Corps 250, of course, Real America's Voice, we're going to do an entire live production on that for the entire day when it's announced.

00:36:26.900 Dr. Thayer, social media, where do people go to get your writings?

00:36:29.880 Thanks.

00:36:31.900 Steve, Brad Thayer at X, or Bradley Thayer on Getter, and at Truth as well.

00:36:38.240 Thanks very much, Steve, for doing that for the Army on June 14th, and then for the Navy yesterday, and then I would anticipate for the Marine Corps on the 10th.

00:36:48.100 It's very valuable to have that coverage.

00:36:49.860 To West Point.

00:36:51.500 It's great.

00:36:52.380 Dr. Thayer, thank you so much.

00:36:54.080 Look forward to having me on Marine Corps 250.

00:36:55.800 Dr. Thayer, one of the smartest geopolitical minds around.

00:37:01.640 So, Ben Harnwell, we got Ukraine, we have the Middle East, but I want to get in front of people something that's going to be quite important here very shortly, the fall of France.

00:37:14.600 I've been very vocal, Ben, as you know, about talking about the coming civil war in the United Kingdom, unless dramatic action is taken.

00:37:24.080 I don't actually think it can wait for a Nigel Farage premiership or being prime minister that could take place in, I guess, four years.

00:37:33.840 I think action needs to be taken in England now.

00:37:36.580 I know that's your beloved mother country.

00:37:39.840 In France, I actually think France is in worse shape when you look under the hood.

00:37:44.540 And today, a government that came in 28 days ago fell after 14 hours of naming their new cabinet.

00:37:51.640 Why is this?

00:37:52.460 Debt and deficits.

00:37:54.140 Also, the Islamization of French society. 0.54

00:37:59.640 Give me a – walk our audience through.

00:38:01.600 We got Ukraine.

00:38:03.460 You got the Middle East.

00:38:05.280 But this situation in Western Europe and France – and this is what galls me so much, brother.

00:38:08.660 You and I talked – Macron came here six weeks ago and sat in the Oval Office, and he's the biggest talker.

00:38:15.460 You know, he's a little Napoleon.

00:38:17.140 He's going to provide troops.

00:38:18.420 He's going to do this.

00:38:19.200 He's going to do that.

00:38:20.360 They're stone cold broke on the verge of bankruptcy.

00:38:25.140 They can't sell a 30-year bond because people don't know if they're going to be around in 30 years.

00:38:29.540 Ben Harnwell, the floor is yours, sir.

00:38:31.520 Well, so many of these themes – good evening to you, Steve.

00:38:35.240 So many of these themes that you just mentioned in your question join together.

00:38:41.300 The Ukraine situation, the French political instability, the UK instability.

00:38:46.800 There is a relationship between these things.

00:38:50.500 And starting off on the bonds, the 30-year bonds, let's just always remember that as we're talking about France.

00:38:56.320 That a couple of weeks ago, Fitch, one of the four great ratings agencies of sovereign debt, downgraded France because not only of its present dire financial situation,

00:39:07.800 but the perpetual future, the instability in the future, meant that the confidence in its bonds was now starting to fall.

00:39:20.280 I think it was a downgrade from something like AAA to AA or something like that.

00:39:26.220 It was slight, but it was significant for a euro zone country.

00:39:31.060 And, Steve, as you always say, the bond market gets a vote.

00:39:34.760 So that's the French situation.

00:39:37.220 Now, people perhaps following this from the United States might not have heard of Sébastien Lacourneau.

00:39:44.180 As you say, he was only nominated less than a month ago as prime minister.

00:39:47.760 Within 24 hours of naming his cabinet, it was no confidence in parliament.

00:39:56.080 There are technical reasons as to why the Republicans, the centre-right political faction with about 50 deputies pulled out of this coalition so soon.

00:40:05.580 They say they opposed the nomination of former finance minister Bruno Le Maire as defence minister on the grounds of his profligacy when he was finance minister.

00:40:19.260 It stretches credibility somewhat to think that's the real issue.

00:40:22.600 I think the situation is that the political parties in the French National Assembly, Steve, realised that Macron's personal ratings are now through the floor.

00:40:36.000 So, obviously, he's not going to want to call fresh elections.

00:40:39.780 He did that last year, and that's what really hamstrung him in terms of the situation in parliament, now the French parliament,

00:40:46.060 where there's no party that is able to command an overall majority.

00:40:49.120 Okay, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.

00:40:52.560 Just explain it to me.

00:40:53.360 How can they continue?

00:40:55.100 I mean, in the parliamentary system you'd have in England, you'd be calling new elections.

00:40:58.820 How can he keep rotating guys?

00:41:01.200 Are they the ones that try to put together a coalition that's an anti-front national?

00:41:05.520 Now, and does he have the ability to keep just tossing the baton to somebody until they get something that can last longer?

00:41:11.420 I mean, this latest government was 28 days, brother, 14 hours after they announced the cabinet.

00:41:17.220 And here's the problem.

00:41:18.400 This is why folks here in the United States got to understand.

00:41:21.120 This is what, this could be us.

00:41:23.240 This is about deficits at 7% of GDP.

00:41:27.080 They can't finance it because they ain't the prime reserve currency.

00:41:30.120 We can keep printing money.

00:41:31.660 Did I mention gold?

00:41:33.380 Close to 4,000.

00:41:34.600 This is one of the reasons.

00:41:36.920 In France, they don't have that luxury.

00:41:39.120 They've got to make significant cuts to budget.

00:41:42.200 And they first tried it, what, about six months ago or a year ago when they tried to take it out of domestic programs for the workers and saved all their empire, particularly in the Levant and North Africa.

00:41:54.460 And this is where Front National goes, no, we're not doing that.

00:41:57.500 We're not an imperial power anymore.

00:41:59.380 Or Macron, you've got to give up the, you know, your belief that you're the new Napoleon.

00:42:05.760 We need to stop that.

00:42:06.940 But they still haven't sorted this out.

00:42:08.540 The reason these governments don't get any traction is they haven't dealt with the tough issues of actually how they're going to bring their spending in line with their revenues, which is a massive gap.

00:42:20.620 Ben Harnwell.

00:42:22.480 Where to start, Steve?

00:42:24.120 Yeah, France isn't an imperial power anymore.

00:42:29.280 It was.

00:42:30.760 It was a colonial power, but it's now really much been overrun by its former colonies.

00:42:35.120 In terms of the financial discipline, I have to say, to give Macron his due, he did try to bring the very generous French welfare system under control, reducing by a year or extending by a year the age at which French become pensioners, go in, take their pension, retire.

00:42:58.040 I think it was like from 60 to 61 or something ridiculous like that.

00:43:04.120 And that's really one of the things you hit on it here.

00:43:07.400 This is really one of the things that he's going to try to keep this going for two years and not call elections again because he wants to safeguard that reform that's very unpopular with the French people.

00:43:22.340 But the problem is, you know, that in and of itself could probably be welcome, Steve.

00:43:27.900 But the problem is, how do you tell the French?

00:43:30.660 I don't want to say that they are sort of notoriously lazy on the war, but the French are notoriously lazy. 1.00

00:43:36.440 How do you tell them once you force them to spend an extra year going through the motions of actually working and producing something when at the same time you can find money for Ukraine?

00:43:50.400 That's the problem that hits the heart of the French situation and also the British system and right across.

00:43:59.000 Look, having mentioned Ukraine, I want to stay on the French political situation, but I have to quickly get Ukraine in.

00:44:04.440 Right back three years ago when this war started, Steve, we said on this show, once this had become apparently clear that it was apparent that it was a war of attrition,

00:44:15.780 we said on this show, this war isn't going to be won on the battlefield in Donbass or anywhere else in Ukraine.

00:44:21.660 It will be it will be finished decisively in the ballot boxes of the European nations and the American, you know,

00:44:29.500 the countries that are financing the Ukraine end of the attrition war.

00:44:34.480 So something that happened yesterday, which is extremely important, and that's the fact that in the Czech Republic,

00:44:41.940 they now have Czechia, as it's now called, Andrei Babiš is the new prime minister.

00:44:47.680 He was prime minister a few years ago.

00:44:50.460 Important, I'm flagging this up, Steve, because he won on an anti-Ukraine platform,

00:44:55.800 and it now looks as if he's going to go into coalition with the anti-NATO and anti-EUSPD to get himself the 108 deputies to form the next government in the Czech parliament.

00:45:11.860 That's important because he's now able to ally himself with Robert Fico in Slovakia.

00:45:17.120 The war impossible member, the abortive assassination attempt on him last year, and also Viktor Orban in Hungary.

00:45:27.140 So you now have three countries that are quite openly agitating against continuing to finance this war in Ukraine.

00:45:37.440 So let's park that there and just say there is movement going on on the domestic political front in Europe.

00:45:45.100 And that's very important as the way things go forward.

00:45:48.260 Let's go back to France. You mentioned the arithmetic, OK?

00:45:51.980 So by my calculation, Steve, the far right and the left wing hold 320 in the French National Assembly,

00:45:59.960 whereas the centrists and the allied conservatives got up to 210.

00:46:06.080 So it really is an attempt to stop the inevitable from happening.

00:46:10.240 The big question, I think, for the French Republic, specifically their judiciary, their magistracy,

00:46:18.800 is whether they're going to allow Marine Le Pen to appeal her five-year prohibition on public office

00:46:26.840 before the next presidential elections are set for 2027.

00:46:33.240 At the moment, she's prohibited quite unusually in continental Europe.

00:46:38.400 They said that the earliest, the lower court sentence was executive, let's say, in effect,

00:46:45.380 even before she'd exhorted all of her stages of appeal, which is not normal for the European system.

00:46:52.200 So they pulled that blinder to block her. 1.00

00:46:54.200 But Steve is looking very seriously like if she's allowed to stand, she will undoubtedly win the next presidential election

00:47:01.800 because this whole Macron government now serves, or non-government, its sole function for the next two years

00:47:08.960 is to stop the national rally from winning the presidency and the legislative assembly at the next election.

00:47:16.640 Okay, we're going to hang on there.

00:47:20.720 I want to delve more into the Czech situation tomorrow and the next day, a very, very, very important,

00:47:26.460 particularly a guy that's now considered a populist, right?

00:47:29.880 They're all populists. Everybody wants to be a populist.

00:47:33.300 Ben Harnwell, your commentary and observations on Getter are second to none.

00:47:38.240 What is your social media? Where do people go?

00:47:39.940 Steve, you always say, talking about Andre Babish, in general, right, you always say they all come round in the end

00:47:47.600 and he is being described as the Czech Trump.

00:47:51.300 To some degree of fairness, that that is an accurate description of him.

00:47:55.780 Okay, I'm on Getter, my social media platform of choice.

00:47:58.980 Tap in my surname, Harnwell, and you will find lots of offensive, gratuitous provocations

00:48:03.580 at the top of my feed awaiting your attention and amusement.

00:48:08.840 Thanks, Steve. God bless.

00:48:10.900 Yeah, like you would never ever say the French are lazy on War Room, except the French are lazy. 1.00

00:48:18.620 Hang on. On Wednesdays, real quickly, give me 30 seconds on the Wednesday show

00:48:23.500 and now every so often your Friday show.

00:48:26.880 Steve, on Wednesday we have the show. It's building quite a following, actually.

00:48:30.440 It's unusual for a largely evangelical audience for a program to try this,

00:48:36.200 but we have, I think, one of the most important shows on traditional Catholicism on the War Room

00:48:41.460 every Wednesday evening. Not exclusively Catholicism, but we're really drilling down now

00:48:47.520 in the most flagrant, abusive, what we call a middle finger in your face from the so-called Pope.

00:48:55.480 Pope. And we're starting to create ripples on that.

00:48:58.980 And on Friday, Steve, we have one hour just to go in-depth with European figures

00:49:03.940 who are involved in some way in breaking news.

00:49:08.760 It's amazing. There's two shows that are incredible. You break a lot of news on there.

00:49:12.180 Ben Harnwell, thank you so much for joining us on this Monday to kick the week off in the War Room.

00:49:17.840 Thanks, Steve. God bless.

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