On this episode of War Room, Stephen K. Bannon is joined by Roger Kimball, Dr. Bradley Thayer, and Ben Harnwell to discuss a new piece from Roger's piece for American Greatness, "The Cut of the Jib."
00:04:03.520In fact, three of, I think, the smartest guys around to join us, Roger Kimball, Dr. Bradley Thayer, and Ben Harnwell.
00:04:11.100Roger Kimball, I'm going to start with you.
00:04:14.520Tell me about this piece you've written, kind of the difference between President Trump's first term and the second,
00:04:19.660because we're seeing he's got a very different cut of the jib, as we say in the Navy, and a much more kind of, I don't know, purposefulness or just more energy, more focused,
00:04:33.640and really taking on trying to create world peace or bring world peace to the bloodlands in Ukraine and to the Middle East and also trying to put down an insurrection here at home.
00:04:46.140Sir, the floor goes on this magnificent article.
00:04:50.560Well, not only is the jib cut differently, but the spinnaker has been deployed, and we have the wind behind us.
00:05:01.120It's really quite extraordinary what's going on in this second term.
00:05:05.660It is like night and day between Trump 1.0 and Trump 2.0.
00:05:11.640Of course, it got off to a bang with his inauguration address.
00:05:15.560I mean, no sooner was that the ink dry on that address that he issued all these executive orders outline diversity, equity, and inclusion throughout the federal government in the opening days of his second administration.
00:05:34.080And it's not just the executive orders.
00:05:36.420It's actually the will to see that these orders are accomplished.
00:05:41.140So in my article yesterday for American Greatness, I dilated especially on Pash Patel's emancipation of the FBI from the racist organizations,
00:05:59.200such racist organizations as the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center,
00:06:06.340which pretends it's been around since the 1970s.
00:06:10.580They pretend to be fighting bigotry and racism and so on.
00:06:15.040Actually, what they're expert at is lining their own pockets to say it's a not-for-profit that has something like half a billion dollars in the bank.
00:06:26.160Banks, by the way, many of which are offshore, like the Cayman Islands and so on.
00:06:32.200But what they basically do is they're kind of a protection racket.
00:06:42.320They've published for many years now what they call a hate map, a hate map.
00:06:48.620And if you go look at it, you see all these little circles.
00:06:52.400And these are supposed to be individuals and institutions that are fomenting hate around the country.
00:07:00.260I was happy to see, by the way, that when Stephen K. Bannon in War Room makes the cut, you're there as a fomenter of hate.
00:07:11.400What they mean, of course, is that you have opinions that differ from the left progressive identity politics that they are attempting to foist on the country.
00:07:26.240So they use phrases like far right because adding that adjective at the beginning makes it sound scarier.
00:07:42.460But what they mean is somebody who actually cares about the institutions, the history, and the culture of this country.
00:07:50.800And so it's wonderful that Kash Patel has emancipated the FBI from this horrible institution.
00:08:01.220They were feeding not only the FBI, but in the bad old days before Elon Musk took it over, what used to be called Twitter, they would feed them the names of people, of institutions that they should censor, that they should kick off Twitter.
00:08:23.180This would be people like the president of the United States, for example, or the New York Post, or Miranda Devine, who reported for the New York Post on Hunter Biden's laptop, which we were assured was a Russian hoax at the time.
00:08:38.940We had 51 intelligence officers, or former intelligence officers, vouchsafing for this idea.
00:08:49.080But of course, it turned out it wasn't Russian intelligence.
00:08:51.680It was Hunter Biden's own laptop full of compromising information.
00:08:57.100So that's what the article is about, and I think anything that can be done to undermine the Southern Poverty Law Center is all to the good.
00:09:12.540Because like so many democratic initiatives, they are basically in the business of projection.
00:09:19.800That is to say, they are guilty of the very thing that they accuse other people of.
00:09:25.120So they keep going on and on about racism and bigotry and divisiveness.
00:09:31.500There is no more divisive institution in this country than the so-called Southern Poverty Law Center.
00:09:41.760Do you think, and I think it's great, you're going after ADL, you're going after Southern Poverty Law Center.
00:09:47.400I also think we ought to, people should start gearing up big civil suits against these, bankrupt them, go after their donors.
00:09:55.880I think we definitely have to go after their donors and all of it.
00:09:59.260It's one of those things, unless you get to the roots of it and pull out the roots and put the fear of God into the people actually finance this.
00:10:07.420It's not just the front, not just the people who work at ADL, Rosenblatt and that crowd.
00:10:10.860They're all corrupt and a bunch of Marxists and have done more damage to the Jewish people than any other organization I can think of.
00:10:19.920It's one of the reasons, they're one of the reasons that the polling is so horrible about, in regards to the Jewish people in the country.
00:10:27.820It's because of ADL and groups like ADL.
00:10:30.620But do you think in this 2.0, walk me through actually getting to the heart of the beast because you've got to deconstruct the administrative state, which Russ Vogt is all triggered on now doing with the shutdown.
00:10:43.740And we know that the, as I said, the Elon thing was, Elmo's thing was what a six-year-old child thinks of, and that's why nothing happened with it.
00:10:53.360But more importantly, the deep state, do you think we're aggressively enough?
00:11:06.040Well, it's – they've got three and a half years to go, and then they have eight years of J.D. Vance or Marco Rubio, and then eight more years of either J.D. Vance or Marco Rubio.
00:11:16.280So they're going to have – it's going to be a long wait.
00:11:31.940They're trying to block him right now.
00:11:33.140If Hakeem Jeffries wins the midterm, if Hakeem Jeffries wins the midterm – and by the way, it's not – if we don't get the 21 seats redistricted, he wins the midterm.
00:13:06.520They're not going to blame Donald Trump.
00:13:08.040They're going to blame Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries.
00:13:12.560So I'm, you know, cautiously optimistic, let us say, but I agree that we need to –
00:13:20.500But Russ – okay, but Russ is the administrative state.
00:13:25.240He will take some shots at the deep state.
00:13:27.580But that intersection, the intersectionality of intelligence, law enforcement, national security, the arms makers, all that that formed the deep state,
00:13:39.960are you comfortable right now that we're – I think we're burning daylight.
00:13:44.900Are you comfortable now that we're actually taking that apart like it has to be taken apart?
00:13:49.880Well, there always could be more done.
00:13:52.820But the – if you compare what's going on right now to what was going on in 2017, I think it's – as I said at the beginning, it's like day and night.
00:14:31.080I just want to say very quickly, I disagree with some friends of mine who think that it's totally outrageous that we are – that Comey has been indicted.
00:14:41.260I think he is right in the center of the biggest political scandal in our history, right deep, right there in the center with Obama and John Brennan.
00:14:53.940Walk us through that when you say this.
00:14:55.820Because I say this indictment is just – it's just an appetizer.
00:14:59.740Walk me through why he's central, a central figure on the biggest political scandal in American history.
00:15:05.040Well, because it was – remember, it was he and Barack Obama and Joe Biden and John Brennan and Susan Rice and a couple of other people in that meeting in the Oval Office on January 5th, 2017.
00:15:21.740This was kind of the second big meeting to how were they going to prevent Trump from either taking office or failing that?
00:15:35.040So – and that, of course, I mean, what was he indicted for?
00:15:40.040Well, he was indicted for the same thing that Mike Flynn was indicted for, except – or Roger Stone.
00:15:48.420But he didn't have the FBI banging on his door at 6 o'clock in the morning with CNN alerted beforehand and so on.
00:15:56.640So I think he – I think we're going to see that he is more deeply implicated in all of this than we understand at the moment.
00:16:07.540I think there will be some additional counts to these indictments layered on here in due course.
00:16:17.220Do you think – do you think the reason in 17 that we didn't get the traction to go with the deep state was the very fact of the conspiracy they had to basically take out Trump's major players and also to –
00:16:31.220He didn't have any – who were his – who was in his cabinet?
00:16:35.840Who, you know, he had – they made sure that he didn't have any reliable people next to him.
00:16:42.660And, of course, the Department of Justice at that time was littered with people who were either feckless or enemies of Trump.
00:16:51.520I mean, his attorney general, the first thing he did was to recuse himself.
00:16:56.540I mean, in other words, he wasn't as – as the movie Godfather, but he was not a wartime consigliere.
00:17:13.880What would be indications that they're taking it to the next level in 2.0 about getting to the core problems of this government, the deep state, the administrative state?
00:17:24.660And, for instance, the reason Russ's vote has not pulled the trigger on a massive RIF program is not the Democrats, but it's Wall Street, the corporatists, and rhino Republicans all over President Trump this weekend saying, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no.
00:19:04.540Thayer, I want to use you as the bridge to get to Ben-Harn, where we're going to talk about the fall of the French government and maybe Ukraine, Middle East.
00:19:14.780Yesterday, you've been a great – you're a great theoretician and strategist about naval strategy.
00:19:20.940You also know a couple, three things about the invasion in our country and the terrorism, and you've been one of the architects behind the scenes of some of these terrorist ideas in how to get things rolled up in places like Portland and Chicago.
00:19:38.440Give me your thoughts on what Roger Kimball just said, that 2.0 is very different than 1.0.
00:19:48.180Well, Roger is exactly right in terms of the direction is a very positive direction.
00:19:55.240Burning daylight, to be sure, as he stressed and as you have many times in terms of what we need to accomplish.
00:20:03.280The first administration was clearly, in so many respects, right, essentially an ISR mission, right, essentially intelligence surveillance and reconnaissance, finding out what needs to be done and how to get it done.
00:20:20.300Now, with the second administration, that's being implemented.
00:20:23.860I don't think anybody is satisfied, of course, with the totality of what needs to be done.
00:20:30.920But in a practical sense, Steve, so much has been accomplished in these months by the administration.
00:20:42.080We really have just gone through, however, the first layer or the second layer of really the nine layers of Troy, right?
00:20:49.560I think Schliemann had to go through eight different Troys to get to the historical Troy, right?
00:20:56.540So we've gone through maybe the first layer and the second layer, but we've got so many to do.
00:21:02.220Going after the law firms, which President Trump did, that's tremendous progress.
00:21:08.100Going after the universities, certainly.
00:21:11.360But I was also struck by what Marjorie Taylor Greene said when you interviewed her last week.
00:21:18.180None of this is essentially institutionalized, right?
00:21:23.960Congress hasn't done anything of note in the president's agenda.
00:21:30.220And so, as you again have stressed many times, they're just waiting them out.
00:21:37.000So, so much has been done with executive orders.
00:21:40.100So much has been done, really, in moving ahead with, as on September 25th, the identification of domestic terrorist organizations going after Antifa, the donors of the Democrats, the media, the Democratic Party, of course, politicians are going to be wrapped up in that as well.
00:22:02.860That's critically important for accountability, which is absolutely necessary.
00:22:08.260But in 2.0, in the second Trump administration, there also has to be the very positive agenda of making life better, of course, for working people, for the American people, for those who voted for him and are fundamentally the base.
00:22:29.320Trump is working on that as administration is, but he's not getting help from anybody, in essence, on that agenda, in the Republican Party, on the Hill, or Republican donors, or big tech, or others who might be helping him, but who are not.
00:22:48.760Fundamentally, Steve, to my mind, the greatest accomplishment of what President Trump is doing in the second term is restoring the American spirit.
00:22:57.700He has touched on this directly or indirectly since the election when he went to Notre Dame, if you remember, in Paris in December, right, that was a theme, really, of his presence there.
00:23:13.760It was in his inauguration, and we saw it most recently in Quantico last week, when he addressed, of course, the admirals and the generals, and then yesterday, of course, in his speech to the Navy, celebrating the 250th anniversary of the Navy.
00:23:32.740Reawakening the American spirit, reaching out to Western civilization, right, that we're also seeing allies in the UK with Unite the Kingdoms, Tommy Robinson and others, Nigel Farage, groups, of course, in Italy, France, Germany, and elsewhere.
00:23:53.900I think it's fundamentally the most important thing that he's accomplished thus far, much to be done in that regard, to be sure, but reawakening the American spirit, which entails a reawakening of a renaissance of Western civilization, is so important, and what he's driving at.
00:24:16.860So many layers to go through, much to be accomplished, again, burning daylight, as we always stress, but that is, I think, Trump will be remembered for many things, but to my mind, that's one of the most fundamental things for which he's going to be remembered, and is going to accomplish in his time remaining in office.
00:24:41.420Again, much has been done, but much more to be done in that regard, so he's clearing the layers out, many layers to go through as the archaeologist, but he's got his, essentially, hammer and tongs, or he's got his trowel, or whatever archaeologists use as their tool, to go through those layers, very importantly.
00:25:05.360Hang on. I'm going to ask you about the geopolitics of the Navy demonstration yesterday. Ben Harnwell is also with us from our Rome Bureau, the International Bureau. We're going to take a short commercial break.
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00:33:13.320It sends messages to friends and foes that the Americans do indeed, as Teddy Roosevelt said, have a very big stick in the United States Navy.
00:33:23.240It also gave us, I think, finally, Steve, the occasion to reflect on the history, but also prospectively to look to the future.
00:33:31.440It was to recognize what the Navy had done in conjunction with sister services throughout the history of the United States Navy.
00:33:41.080Lake Champlain, for example, saved the United States in the War of 1812.
00:33:45.640The Battle of Lake Champlain, when the British were trying to split New England from the rest of the United States and might have gotten away with it.
00:33:53.740Or the three battles of the Atlantic, of course, in World War I, World War II, and the Cold War.
00:33:59.540The sacrifice of American submariners, of course, in World War II, when we lost 52 submarines, basically about 20 percent of submariners, horrific casualties that they suffered.
00:34:12.020But prospectively, it allows us to appreciate that, as the Navy says, ships don't fight, but men do, right?
00:34:20.760It's the morale of the U.S. Navy and of the services.
00:34:24.340It's the recognition of the great admirals and other leaders, as well as enlisted leader, Chief Petty Offers, who've led the Navy, who've dealt with the adverse challenges the Navy has faced as a service, but also to meet the challenges that we face today.
00:34:41.100Whether that's going to be in the Pacific, facing the Chinese Communist Party's People Liberation Army Navy, which is a formidable challenge or other challenges that we face around the globe.
00:34:54.680The Navy is there, a forward deployed force and ready to fight.
00:34:59.020So, despite the challenges, right, which are going to be considerable, and much needs to be done in terms of the infrastructure of the shipbuilding, as was stressed yesterday, and some other elements, we need to recognize that the Navy has contributed mightily, of course, to American security.
00:35:17.300has never failed in any of its missions, and it and its sister services, of course, are a product of what makes America great, but also a reflection of the greatness of the American experiment, of American society.
00:35:31.800And thank goodness we've had so many men and women who are willing to serve, have served in the past, are presently serving, and will serve in the future, to ensure the United States is safe and secure.
00:35:46.580So, it was a great day, and it's right and proper that we take, we stop a moment and reflect on really what the military has provided us, and what the military gives society, but at the same time, what the military draws from American society at the same time.
00:36:07.420So, great occasion, and November 10th for the Marine Corps, I'm sure will be, will be as well.
00:36:15.400There'll be, there'll be some announcements later in the week about Marine Corps 250, of course, Real America's Voice, we're going to do an entire live production on that for the entire day when it's announced.
00:36:26.900Dr. Thayer, social media, where do people go to get your writings?
00:36:31.900Steve, Brad Thayer at X, or Bradley Thayer on Getter, and at Truth as well.
00:36:38.240Thanks very much, Steve, for doing that for the Army on June 14th, and then for the Navy yesterday, and then I would anticipate for the Marine Corps on the 10th.
00:36:48.100It's very valuable to have that coverage.
00:36:54.080Look forward to having me on Marine Corps 250.
00:36:55.800Dr. Thayer, one of the smartest geopolitical minds around.
00:37:01.640So, Ben Harnwell, we got Ukraine, we have the Middle East, but I want to get in front of people something that's going to be quite important here very shortly, the fall of France.
00:37:14.600I've been very vocal, Ben, as you know, about talking about the coming civil war in the United Kingdom, unless dramatic action is taken.
00:37:24.080I don't actually think it can wait for a Nigel Farage premiership or being prime minister that could take place in, I guess, four years.
00:37:33.840I think action needs to be taken in England now.
00:37:36.580I know that's your beloved mother country.
00:37:39.840In France, I actually think France is in worse shape when you look under the hood.
00:37:44.540And today, a government that came in 28 days ago fell after 14 hours of naming their new cabinet.
00:38:20.360They're stone cold broke on the verge of bankruptcy.
00:38:25.140They can't sell a 30-year bond because people don't know if they're going to be around in 30 years.
00:38:29.540Ben Harnwell, the floor is yours, sir.
00:38:31.520Well, so many of these themes – good evening to you, Steve.
00:38:35.240So many of these themes that you just mentioned in your question join together.
00:38:41.300The Ukraine situation, the French political instability, the UK instability.
00:38:46.800There is a relationship between these things.
00:38:50.500And starting off on the bonds, the 30-year bonds, let's just always remember that as we're talking about France.
00:38:56.320That a couple of weeks ago, Fitch, one of the four great ratings agencies of sovereign debt, downgraded France because not only of its present dire financial situation,
00:39:07.800but the perpetual future, the instability in the future, meant that the confidence in its bonds was now starting to fall.
00:39:20.280I think it was a downgrade from something like AAA to AA or something like that.
00:39:26.220It was slight, but it was significant for a euro zone country.
00:39:31.060And, Steve, as you always say, the bond market gets a vote.
00:39:44.180As you say, he was only nominated less than a month ago as prime minister.
00:39:47.760Within 24 hours of naming his cabinet, it was no confidence in parliament.
00:39:56.080There are technical reasons as to why the Republicans, the centre-right political faction with about 50 deputies pulled out of this coalition so soon.
00:40:05.580They say they opposed the nomination of former finance minister Bruno Le Maire as defence minister on the grounds of his profligacy when he was finance minister.
00:40:19.260It stretches credibility somewhat to think that's the real issue.
00:40:22.600I think the situation is that the political parties in the French National Assembly, Steve, realised that Macron's personal ratings are now through the floor.
00:40:36.000So, obviously, he's not going to want to call fresh elections.
00:40:39.780He did that last year, and that's what really hamstrung him in terms of the situation in parliament, now the French parliament,
00:40:46.060where there's no party that is able to command an overall majority.
00:40:49.120Okay, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.
00:41:36.920In France, they don't have that luxury.
00:41:39.120They've got to make significant cuts to budget.
00:41:42.200And they first tried it, what, about six months ago or a year ago when they tried to take it out of domestic programs for the workers and saved all their empire, particularly in the Levant and North Africa.
00:41:54.460And this is where Front National goes, no, we're not doing that.
00:42:06.940But they still haven't sorted this out.
00:42:08.540The reason these governments don't get any traction is they haven't dealt with the tough issues of actually how they're going to bring their spending in line with their revenues, which is a massive gap.
00:42:30.760It was a colonial power, but it's now really much been overrun by its former colonies.
00:42:35.120In terms of the financial discipline, I have to say, to give Macron his due, he did try to bring the very generous French welfare system under control, reducing by a year or extending by a year the age at which French become pensioners, go in, take their pension, retire.
00:42:58.040I think it was like from 60 to 61 or something ridiculous like that.
00:43:04.120And that's really one of the things you hit on it here.
00:43:07.400This is really one of the things that he's going to try to keep this going for two years and not call elections again because he wants to safeguard that reform that's very unpopular with the French people.
00:43:22.340But the problem is, you know, that in and of itself could probably be welcome, Steve.
00:43:27.900But the problem is, how do you tell the French?
00:43:30.660I don't want to say that they are sort of notoriously lazy on the war, but the French are notoriously lazy.
00:43:36.440How do you tell them once you force them to spend an extra year going through the motions of actually working and producing something when at the same time you can find money for Ukraine?
00:43:50.400That's the problem that hits the heart of the French situation and also the British system and right across.
00:43:59.000Look, having mentioned Ukraine, I want to stay on the French political situation, but I have to quickly get Ukraine in.
00:44:04.440Right back three years ago when this war started, Steve, we said on this show, once this had become apparently clear that it was apparent that it was a war of attrition,
00:44:15.780we said on this show, this war isn't going to be won on the battlefield in Donbass or anywhere else in Ukraine.
00:44:21.660It will be it will be finished decisively in the ballot boxes of the European nations and the American, you know,
00:44:29.500the countries that are financing the Ukraine end of the attrition war.
00:44:34.480So something that happened yesterday, which is extremely important, and that's the fact that in the Czech Republic,
00:44:41.940they now have Czechia, as it's now called, Andrei Babiš is the new prime minister.
00:44:47.680He was prime minister a few years ago.
00:44:50.460Important, I'm flagging this up, Steve, because he won on an anti-Ukraine platform,
00:44:55.800and it now looks as if he's going to go into coalition with the anti-NATO and anti-EUSPD to get himself the 108 deputies to form the next government in the Czech parliament.
00:45:11.860That's important because he's now able to ally himself with Robert Fico in Slovakia.
00:45:17.120The war impossible member, the abortive assassination attempt on him last year, and also Viktor Orban in Hungary.
00:45:27.140So you now have three countries that are quite openly agitating against continuing to finance this war in Ukraine.
00:45:37.440So let's park that there and just say there is movement going on on the domestic political front in Europe.
00:45:45.100And that's very important as the way things go forward.
00:45:48.260Let's go back to France. You mentioned the arithmetic, OK?
00:45:51.980So by my calculation, Steve, the far right and the left wing hold 320 in the French National Assembly,
00:45:59.960whereas the centrists and the allied conservatives got up to 210.
00:46:06.080So it really is an attempt to stop the inevitable from happening.
00:46:10.240The big question, I think, for the French Republic, specifically their judiciary, their magistracy,
00:46:18.800is whether they're going to allow Marine Le Pen to appeal her five-year prohibition on public office
00:46:26.840before the next presidential elections are set for 2027.
00:46:33.240At the moment, she's prohibited quite unusually in continental Europe.
00:46:38.400They said that the earliest, the lower court sentence was executive, let's say, in effect,
00:46:45.380even before she'd exhorted all of her stages of appeal, which is not normal for the European system.
00:46:52.200So they pulled that blinder to block her.
00:46:54.200But Steve is looking very seriously like if she's allowed to stand, she will undoubtedly win the next presidential election
00:47:01.800because this whole Macron government now serves, or non-government, its sole function for the next two years
00:47:08.960is to stop the national rally from winning the presidency and the legislative assembly at the next election.
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00:52:02.480Then they take out loans using your equity or even sell your property.
00:52:06.820You won't even know it's happened until you get a collection or foreclosure notice.
00:52:12.520So let me ask you, when was the last time you personally checked your home title?
00:52:19.680If you're like me, the answer is never, and that's exactly what scammers are counting on.