Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 866： “Pope Leo” Settles Into His Role — As Leader Of The Opposition Against The Trump Administration

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00:00:40.860 country this country will be saved war room here's your host stephen k band

00:00:48.080 good evening harnwell here at the helm steve bannon's war room welcome to the show this is

00:00:59.820 wednesday 8th of october anno domini 2025 well after about four and a half five months of being in

00:01:09.080 office pope leo appears to be quite comfortably settling into his role and that role by all

00:01:18.240 accounts seems to be leader of the opposition today in the first 10-15 minutes of the show we're going

00:01:25.760 to be having an analysis on exactly what pope leo is doing and it seems to be putting in the crosshairs

00:01:35.060 the trump administration's flagship policies specifically to do with immigration and the

00:01:41.960 new department for war to explain more we've got frank walker from canon 212 frank as always

00:01:49.080 thanks for for being with us on wednesday evening tell me first of all let's do the um here the speech

00:01:56.440 at the at sunday on sunday uh where pope leo said the coldness of indifference uh he said that

00:02:06.360 immigrants should not be treated with the coldness of indifference or the stigma of discrimination this

00:02:12.480 is clearly a full frontal attack on the deportations policy of the present white house administration

00:02:19.560 tell us a bit more about the context uh what went on on sunday well he's he's doubling down is what he's

00:02:26.920 doing because it was just a week ago that he made the uh the statement that you know went around the

00:02:31.900 world that uh liz called his um who am i to judge moment uh uh calling accusing people of who support

00:02:40.440 trump's policy on deportations which is i think the vast majority of americans not pro-life and so he he

00:02:47.780 came again this weekend doubling down and he said that uh yeah he accused people who uh believe in

00:02:54.380 legal immigration and and controlled borders of discrim being discriminatory which is such a loaded

00:03:00.900 word you know the the word discrimination it's a word that they've been using for years uh to me what

00:03:06.860 it doesn't but you know to me not racist he's accusing us of being racist but really it's just a

00:03:12.360 mental process of making a decision um he used that he accused us of racism and he said that he's going

00:03:18.420 to we have to create a new missionary age because this is the there's just so many jubilees this year

00:03:24.980 and this is the jubilee of migrants and also also another jubilee at the same time and so he's putting

00:03:32.500 them together and he's saying that we're going to renew the face of the church so it's a completely

00:03:36.740 different church but people who are are catholics and have been catholics for all these 60 years

00:03:41.440 of this new crazy church they know that when they say renew they mean destroy and so the missionary

00:03:48.240 is not us going out the missionary is is the uncatholic lands coming here it doesn't mean they're

00:03:56.760 going to become catholic it doesn't mean that they're going to bring the culture it's just a bunch of

00:04:01.160 tricks and at the end of this speech uh and in the piece here they they give him a hard time about

00:04:06.800 the off-the-cuff remarks that he made last week just recently they asked him about this again about

00:04:11.940 trump uh and his troops in chicago and he said oh no i don't want to speak about politics so and all

00:04:17.760 the trad ink remember trad ink they learned their lesson they said look at pope he's learned not to

00:04:22.440 make off-the-cuff remarks so that was another thing he got a hard time about in this piece here

00:04:27.120 at this speech so so so let's have a have a look at this firstly when the novus ordo church which many

00:04:36.040 would maintain isn't the roman catholic church and i'm one of the the people who would maintain that

00:04:41.180 frank i think you're you're another when the novus ordo regime talks about inverted commas becoming

00:04:46.960 catholic it's clear that what they mean by that term is a superficial self-identification right

00:04:57.100 i will become catholic i will i will present as catholic as as easy as a man might say uh equally

00:05:05.820 erroneously that he's going to become a woman or or vice versa right um it's it's it's a superficial

00:05:11.720 label of of of identification because of course to become catholic or to become evangelical right

00:05:19.840 you need to to believe the substance of that of the faith with or in in all its minutiae

00:05:26.020 or at least if you don't know the full details be open to to to accepting that once you once you've

00:05:32.980 studied it and become informed to it what the what the what the what the superficial entity institution

00:05:39.900 that calls itself the the the catholic church means therefore when talking about people becoming

00:05:46.340 catholic um it's it's simply a a superficial they're talking about people adapting a superficial

00:05:52.740 label to themselves that's the first important thing to to flag up right the second important

00:06:00.100 thing and i took it's a spirit it's a spiritual thing it's it's a you know what is it is it hebrews

00:06:07.800 and faith is the substance of things hoped for evidence of of things unseen right that is what

00:06:14.200 you're you're fundamentally buying into uh your your your your if if if you convert i prefer the term

00:06:21.100 conversion rather than becoming catholic if you convert either in the catholic sphere or in the

00:06:27.380 evangelical sphere what you're doing is opening your will and your intellect to accept everything that

00:06:34.740 is taught as part of of those faith schema it's not a superficial label of identification to put on

00:06:42.920 your social media profile and of course that's that's the big problem with the novus ordo church right

00:06:49.320 because following the second vatican council the catholic church effect effectively substituted faith

00:06:57.040 for sentiment for sentimentality um and that that is the that is that and you see this no

00:07:04.660 nowhere more clearly than on and and and these incredible um world youth day events that the catholic

00:07:13.500 church goes to i think it was every four years um right you see how badly this is it's painful to watch

00:07:20.800 and and you see how uh how superficial the identification is with catholicism and it's

00:07:29.060 it's based on sentimentality of course john paul ii is it has a lot to answer for and with regards to

00:07:35.720 that but the second thing frank and i'm going to talk about this a little more with jenny later on

00:07:40.040 in the show is that we have right now there is something that that that that leo is saying which is

00:07:46.520 which is true that that we're um as he says the church is experiencing a new missionary age and i

00:07:53.400 think the public and gruesome martyrdom of charlie kirk has um is a major tributary into that particular

00:08:00.600 river right but there is an and we are entering a new missionary age and the the evidence for that

00:08:08.820 frank walker is that you see so many young guys that the the most difficult category of all

00:08:14.940 to catechize to teach uh are young adult historically at least since that

00:08:20.860 you know since the 20th century a young adult man um and these are the this is the very category which

00:08:27.200 is now accelerating forward um in interest and enthusiasm not just in the catholic church the

00:08:35.840 catholic church and you see this in traditionalism absolutely traditional catholic absolutely um you

00:08:42.080 see this in the in the evangelical church as well you know all the all the polls are showing this

00:08:49.240 that is evidence of this new missionary age and as i say we're going to dig into this with jenny a

00:08:53.740 little later but you tell me because no one studies the um the media the catholic media the goings on

00:09:00.900 more closely than you you do every day you know when you're updating canon 212 you tell me right

00:09:05.800 that part is true we are entering into a new missionary age when when the post is so clearly

00:09:15.760 tacking a line against the the present present administration though tell me how that is going

00:09:23.160 to go down with this cohort which is searching out for the first time christian truths well i think

00:09:33.060 they're going to be well well that's a big question you know because uh you get so many comments that

00:09:38.600 um pulled up uh pope leo as an example of why not to be catholic and so it you know it may steer them

00:09:46.340 away from the catholic church but i would i would i think that this revival is miraculous and i think that

00:09:53.680 it will be um you know continue to be a sort of a miraculous thing i know there's a study in france

00:09:59.640 that i read last week that says the islamization of france is key and so that may have a lot to do

00:10:05.180 with it the islamization and as in the uk and growing in the united states but i think that there

00:10:11.240 i think that i always say like ferris bueller when when they tried to maitre d try to kick him out of

00:10:15.860 that restaurant um he said i'm not going to let a guy like i'm not going to be kicked out of a place

00:10:20.960 like this by a guy like that and you should look that way and i hope that these i hope that these

00:10:26.800 young men that are are being drawn through the through mary and and through things like the

00:10:32.740 rosary as so many evangelicals say the rosary and uh drawn to the catholic tradition remember that

00:10:38.400 don't let these political and he's made himself so clearly political even christian hawkins he he's

00:10:44.880 not only made himself an enemy of maga he's made himself an enemy of the rhinos in congress he's he's

00:10:51.080 completely on the stupid side now and so all of you good conservatives who are growing up and

00:10:55.720 trying to raise families and trying to improve things don't let the don't let these people who

00:11:00.880 have been planted like archbishop you know said the deep church don't let the deep church and their

00:11:05.920 maitre d's drive you out of the catholic church let you know consider it for what it is historically

00:11:11.480 and like you're saying man spiritually look at what the actual teachings are they're available to you

00:11:17.700 don't let bishops and people who are compromised you know the catholic church has been a target

00:11:23.420 forever but it's particularly in this last century because for the enemies of of civilization for

00:11:29.360 hundreds of years and that's why it's been so ruined but look at the underground church like we

00:11:34.560 like to talk about here and what does the underground church have to show you about the past about the

00:11:39.500 apostles about christ himself about your own culture that's that's what i think about that

00:11:44.960 you heard it there you heard it there frank ferris bueller walker lays it out for you don't folks don't let

00:11:53.900 people like you be driven out of the church by people like that that is per that is so perfect

00:12:00.760 and succinct now look let me say this like i you know 25 years ago i i crossed the tie by myself

00:12:09.000 um and there's nothing more that i'd like to see than protestants accept coming and accepting the

00:12:16.280 fullness of the catholic faith the traditional catholic faith that's not why we do this show

00:12:20.440 however this show we we love the fact that that evangelicals are watching this and drawing something

00:12:26.880 out of it but this is not a conversion exercise this show this show primarily is a tool

00:12:32.040 specifically for catholics for people in the catholic sphere to grow in the strength of their faith

00:12:39.760 to fundamentally one day take the governing of the church into their own hands to take the agency that

00:12:45.820 christ gave them and take the governance of the church from the hands of these evil men that are

00:12:52.200 driving the church into the ground and have been doing so for many decades based on your obedience

00:12:58.960 um to take that back and to to re-pilot the church on the on the correct path that's why we do this

00:13:06.980 church i flag up one thing that frank walker just mentioned which is very important there is something

00:13:13.740 that is going on that the holy spirit is doing i don't fully know what it is but i can see some of

00:13:18.040 the things right charlie kirk we mentioned him earlier on the show great evangelical great exemplar

00:13:23.680 of of contemporary evangelicalism evangelicalism um was martyred wearing around his neck i think

00:13:33.180 it was a gift from his wife erica right that italian of saint michael the archangel the great catholic

00:13:39.020 devotion one of the great catholic devotions against satan and and uh and and his dark works

00:13:45.020 satan whom our lord called the the the lord the prince of this world okay

00:13:50.660 second thing that i want to flag up is donald trump president donald trump nobody's idea of an

00:13:59.800 archetypical traditionalist catholic okay and yet he pushes out on uh things was it february the 22nd

00:14:08.220 the um on the feast day of saint michael the archangel the prayer to to saint michael and wishing all

00:14:14.500 catholics um good fortune um good fortune on that day a president president who's very much i'm not

00:14:21.560 saying he is a dictionary definition of an evangelical believer but very much formed in in in that mold

00:14:28.120 and very open to evangelicalism and its exponents we see that in the the the the prayer the prayer

00:14:35.080 sessions he holds in the um in the oval office with the president pastors right those are things what what

00:14:42.100 what i would like to suggest to our evangelical brothers and sisters frank is let's put aside the

00:14:48.580 idea of evangelicals trying to convert catholics and catholics trying to convert evangelicals that

00:14:55.280 that's good that both sides are trying to do it it means that they believe the elements of their faith

00:14:59.940 but we'll put that aside to another occasion another day and another program what i would like to flag up

00:15:07.780 is that there is something in the traditional catholic devotions like the prayer to saint michael the

00:15:12.980 archangel like the medallion to uh to saint michael the archangel but evangelicals without denying anything

00:15:21.380 proper to evangelicalism can draw a lot of sustenance and support at in the spiritual battle that we face

00:15:29.140 against satan and darkness um frank that's what i'd fundamentally like to say i don't know if you have a

00:15:35.620 response to that well it's true there are so many evangelical catholics out there who are more

00:15:41.460 catholic than most catholics and when and there are so many ways that we share the same faith we go back

00:15:46.360 to the same scripture we go back to the same things that we learned from i think ben i wanted to mention

00:15:51.540 that when when trump made that saint michael statement he mentioned uh pope leo who who wrote uh the saint

00:15:58.580 michael's prayer a hundred years or more ago i think that was was a wonderful very very very

00:16:05.540 you know sometimes you make the most powerful statement by being very very small about it very

00:16:10.120 understated but i i read in that statement that he understands see the reason they came up with leo

00:16:16.340 the 14th is because they wanted to make him look legitimate and tie him to leo the 13th who they use

00:16:21.880 as a way to make their current agenda look like it's from something from the past but they really

00:16:26.940 exploit it and they twist it trump understands that he seemed to understand that in that statement by

00:16:31.640 mentioning pope leo the 13th he understands that pope leo is not the catholic that pope leo the 13th was

00:16:38.840 he understands that pope pope leo the 14th is sort of a stunt sort of a political stunt and and that's a

00:16:45.340 message to all of us evangelicals and catholics that that's what we're facing here with the with

00:16:50.960 the catholic church and its new pope so i i you know i thought that was i was so impressed with that

00:16:55.960 because i could read that in his statement um the the young guy that puts our friday show together

00:17:03.620 based here in italy young italo american victorio franco introduced me to a term he called skin

00:17:11.920 suiting he says that all of these people are doing um are skin suiting as catholics it's a generation z

00:17:18.800 term so obviously i'm not going to get it perfectly correct but that's the concept people who present on

00:17:23.660 a superficial level as being catholic and i think uh president trump's intuition if that's what it

00:17:29.340 that's what he's he thinks that um about leo the 14th vis-a-vis leo the 13th is absolutely

00:17:36.380 spot on thank we'll come back to um standby we're going to come back to later on in the show as we

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00:19:08.560 reaction to some recent goings-on in sharia compliant great britain

00:19:14.760 police warn passers-by to get back before shooting down the suspect behind today's attack

00:19:24.500 outside a synagogue in north manchester that has left two victims dead and three seriously injured

00:19:30.200 you

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00:19:56.020 You heard it there, folks. Long live the Intifada. That's what they're chanting.

00:20:03.960 Jenny, it's absolutely clear to me we're going to run over this break and carry this after the break in five minutes.

00:20:11.080 I'm sure there's a lot in the previous segment that we were discussing with Frank Walker that you would have insights on that you would want to add to.

00:20:19.840 But let's say this, right? Following on this argument that there is a new missionary age taking place right now and you have that young 18 to 23-year-old cohort, young guys, that most difficult cohort to keep in church, crossing the threshold of the church for the first time in their lives.

00:20:43.560 And what are they going to see now? They're going to see that the Anglicans, that worldwide communion that has its largest component, the Church of England, has just elected its first female arch layman of Canterbury.

00:21:04.020 And I reckon that any normal 20-year-old heterosexual male will look at this walking into a church and run a million miles.

00:21:16.060 Tell us about the UK and what is going on. Because there are two forces right now that are taking place in the UK right now.

00:21:22.780 There's Islamism and this new missionary age amongst young guys especially taking place.

00:21:30.800 And this is the Church of England's response.

00:21:34.020 Yes. Yeah, that's right. That's spot on about the two competing forces of Islamism and this new Christian revival.

00:21:44.120 And I'm sorry to say that the Christian revival is very much behind the eight ball and has a lot of catching up to do very fast in order to compete.

00:21:53.260 The Islamization of the United Kingdom has been given a carte blanche for the last several decades, it seems.

00:22:02.640 And that cold open shows one of the most recent results of that, which was, of course, as viewers will know, a synagogue in Manchester was attacked last Wednesday on Yom Kippur, which is the holiest holiday in the Jewish religion.

00:22:21.640 And a Syrian-born British man who grew up one mile away from the synagogue, so he grew up in a community, an established old Jewish community in Manchester.

00:22:34.840 His name was, for real, Jihad. That was his first name, Jihad al-Shami.

00:22:41.180 His father came to the UK as sort of a refugee, as an asylum seeker from Syria.

00:22:46.880 And this is how he repaid the country that welcomed him and raised him.

00:22:52.800 Two people were killed in that attack, as has been widely reported, a 53-year-old and a 66-year-old.

00:22:59.060 One of them, it seems, was shot by the police officers who responded.

00:23:03.860 And it was just an absolute disaster from start to finish.

00:23:06.820 Really, the most shocking thing about it to me personally, not to sound cynical, was how long it's taken for Jews to be attacked, you know, in particular Jews to be attacked in England, in the United Kingdom, given the fervent obsession with Palestine and Hamas, basically, throughout, that has gripped, almost like a fever, a mind virus, that has gripped many of the youth of the United Kingdom.

00:23:32.760 And those videos that you saw, following the video from Manchester, were from the day after the stabbing on Wednesday, the following day they came out and filled the streets to protest again for Palestine, no concern over the deaths that had just occurred.

00:23:48.840 And then it happened again at the weekend, nearly 500 protesters were arrested in London because they were protesting on behalf of an organization that's been banned called Palestine Action.

00:23:58.620 And then again, yesterday, on October 7th, the anniversary of the October 7th pogrom, they took to the streets yet again, gave fiery, I would say, like almost millenarian religious speeches and, you know, in English and in Arabic and these very intense religious terms, you know, all about Islam.

00:24:22.880 This is the state of the United Kingdom today. And so those young men that you mentioned are being driven into the arms of, I would say, the quote-unquote real church by this obvious crisis.

00:24:37.640 It's a political crisis, yes, it's also an economic crisis because all of these new migrants arriving are taking up housing and they're weighing down the benefit system and the NHS and the schools.

00:24:49.440 But it's also mostly a spiritual crisis because all of these young men and also a lot of young women and also a lot of not so young people like me, who is a staunch atheist, Gen X sort of indie kid, are asking, how did our leaders become so weak and debased that they have supported this jihadi project for the better part of my adult life?

00:25:14.700 This is obviously, this is obviously, the Manchester attack was obviously not the first attack, even in Manchester.

00:25:19.740 The United Kingdom has been subjected to multiple Islamic terrorist attacks and yet the pro-Palestinian fanatics still feel entitled and brazen enough to take to the streets in the thousands to demand justice for Palestine.

00:25:36.960 What about justice for England? What about justice for English Jews?

00:25:39.900 Look, I remember some North London Jewish friends of mine telling me 20 years ago about the desecration of the Jewish cemeteries taking place by effectively young Pakistani origin guys whom they would also see on the London undergrounds with swastika earrings and what have you.

00:26:06.040 No one, no one, no one. It was a problem that the authorities could see but refused to acknowledge. And this is the net result of that, right, Jenny? The lack. I mean, how is it? You can almost imagine the British establishment's bewilderment.

00:26:21.880 You know, they're looking at this guy, Mr. Jihad Al-Shami, thinking, coming into the country, asking for papers to come into the country, signing off on them.

00:26:30.740 And then they see this and they're saying to themselves, how could we have known? You know, how could we have predicted this? I mean, the name obviously wasn't being, in and of itself, wasn't flagging up any concerns or any preoccupations.

00:26:47.480 It's, you know, how could we have known? We did what we could. And the net consequence of that is that people die, innocent people die. Stay tuned, folks. We'll be back in two short minutes.

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00:31:34.720 Jenny, I just want to wrap up what we were saying just before the break on this.

00:31:42.100 I can't see any other sphere of human activity where people could get away with this kind of liability.

00:31:57.760 Let me put it like this.

00:31:59.620 I certainly don't think any commercial company could do this.

00:32:02.460 What am I talking about?

00:32:04.120 To come into the country, it requires some civil servant, presumably in the home office, signing off on the papers.

00:32:10.100 They read the documents.

00:32:11.500 They say yes, they know.

00:32:12.720 They stamp it.

00:32:13.500 And they sign it, right?

00:32:14.740 At least that always takes place for the papers, for the visa papers to be released.

00:32:23.900 If a civil servant, this is my theory.

00:32:26.620 I'll ask you for your reaction to this, right?

00:32:30.440 And then we'll move on with the show.

00:32:33.660 But this is my theory of the case.

00:32:35.560 And I mentioned this before on the war room.

00:32:38.920 And I think it's the same in the, it should be the same in the UK as in the United States or in any Western country.

00:32:45.000 If you are a civil servant and you sign off, you stamp and say accepted and you request to come into the country to a person who then goes off and commits crime once they're in the country, you, you, that civil servant that signed and stamped, you need to be held personably accountable for that act.

00:33:06.420 And I think if civil servant, because you know, they would know why they're nodding everyone through because they've got no skin in the game, right?

00:33:13.380 They're paid their salaries, right?

00:33:15.540 Then zero, no skin in the game.

00:33:17.560 If they had skin in the game, if the people that they were signing off to come into the country, if they were held responsible, criminally responsible for any future crimes that those people would commit, do you think they'd be a little more vigilant on who they're letting in?

00:33:32.080 Perhaps, although who knows?

00:33:33.620 Maybe not.

00:33:34.140 I mean, look, this is, you're, you're kind of zeroing in on the target here because this is 100%.

00:33:39.700 Yet another example, we didn't need any more evidence.

00:33:43.060 We already knew this was the case, but yet another example of the total and utter failure of multiculturalism as it was conceived in the Tony Blair era.

00:33:54.100 And of course, he's also responsible for civil service reforms that made them a lot more unaccountable.

00:34:00.860 And this is, this is one of the structural problems that UK political parties are going to have to grapple with now and good luck to them.

00:34:07.800 But this idea that, you know, the United Kingdom was so kind and fair and just that they could take in an unlimited number of culturally diverse, shall we say, in euphemism, people and then expect absolutely nothing of them.

00:34:29.420 I mean, this guy, Jihad al-Shami, not only had never really held down a job, but he was also on bail for rape from charges from earlier this year.

00:34:39.380 I mean, this is a person who contributed, I mean, absolutely nothing, even before he went on a stabbing rampage against Jews in his own neighborhood.

00:34:51.900 OK, so that nothing about this project that Tony Blair dreamed up in a communist fever dream, however many decades ago, has come out as ended well for the British people.

00:35:03.480 There are other immigrant groups in Britain. They've done well.

00:35:08.780 This is not necessarily an issue about immigration, but obviously what we have now on top of this prior existing problem,

00:35:17.120 the Pakistanis coming in many years ago and forming these rape gangs and all this, all this stuff,

00:35:21.620 you have all of these new immigrants coming in, unvetted migrants, I should say, arriving on small boats,

00:35:28.040 waves of the memory every single day and disappearing into British and English and Scottish and everywhere neighborhoods.

00:35:35.760 Always poor neighborhoods. They don't ever end up in, you know, posh parts of London.

00:35:41.900 And, you know, ordinary English taxpayers are paying the price.

00:35:46.740 They're being asked to leave their homes, literally.

00:35:50.000 They're being asked to pay more in taxes.

00:35:51.520 And they have to put up with the degradation of this chauvinistic, triumphalist, Islam-a-sharia supremacy.

00:36:01.320 Yeah, folks, stop voting for people who hate you.

00:36:05.640 I can't put it more succinctly. Stop voting for people who hate you.

00:36:10.120 Yeah.

00:36:10.640 And listen, listen, I'm going to come back to my earlier point, because I think it's a great idea.

00:36:16.040 Hold civil servants, those responsible, those civil servants who are charged with granting visas or refusing them,

00:36:23.480 hold them criminally responsible, criminally liable for any crimes that are committed by the people they're letting into the country on a case-by-case basis.

00:36:32.980 But Jenny Holland, even if you don't like that idea, meet me halfway.

00:36:36.760 Stop letting people into the country whose name is Jihad, right?

00:36:40.160 That would be a good first step, right?

00:36:42.960 Jenny, stay with us.

00:36:44.240 We're back to you in 10 minutes to discuss this latest story about TikTok and the diverting,

00:36:55.820 the specific algorithmic diverting of hardcore sexual material to young kids.

00:37:02.340 Frank Walker, on the theme of stop voting for people who hate you,

00:37:08.380 how about this? Stop giving your religious obedience to people who hate you in the Catholic sphere.

00:37:14.940 Yet again, it's another Wednesday, so that means that we're going to be talking about another case on the show

00:37:20.920 of what the hierarchy, what the Catholic hierarchy has been doing behind the backs of the faithful, the flock,

00:37:29.940 who, with their collection plate money, keep this whole show on the road.

00:37:33.300 Now, this week, we're off to Strasbourg, where a senior cleric of the diocese has been caught

00:37:44.120 diverting attention away from a sex abuse story, and then he had to come clean.

00:37:49.940 What is a sex abuse story?

00:37:51.160 Well, the vicar general of the diocese, which is the number two, after the bishop himself,

00:37:56.960 has an active abuse case open.

00:38:01.500 So you want to ask, how is this guy still there?

00:38:04.980 But he has an active abuse case open.

00:38:07.860 And what is the abuse charge against him?

00:38:10.860 Let's keep in the word alleged here.

00:38:14.680 But the alleged abuse is that a young kid who was 13 years old said that this priest had sexually abused him.

00:38:25.360 And, Frank, you've got all the details.

00:38:27.040 Why don't you brief us more fully on what has happened in France?

00:38:31.280 Well, it's a back and forth, really.

00:38:33.520 There's a lot of details, and it's gone on for a while.

00:38:36.560 But Father Smith was accused of abusing somebody at the age of 13 about 30 years ago.

00:38:43.340 And a public case and a canonical case were both open against him with a previous bishop.

00:38:50.380 And then after a while, the public case was closed, and the canonical case was open.

00:38:59.860 But the bishop changed over, and he was replaced by the new bishop and put back in his place.

00:39:08.640 Because they said, well, it's been cleared.

00:39:10.320 He's not guilty.

00:39:11.640 He can have his official position again.

00:39:14.200 But then some anonymous priests called for a visitation.

00:39:17.220 Now, the previous bishop was visited, too.

00:39:19.420 You see, I think there's some twists and turns in this that show you more of the reality of these cases.

00:39:25.820 Because, you know, this is in France.

00:39:28.800 And there's another case that we talked about before with Father Spina, who had a priest was actually convicted of molesting a child.

00:39:38.160 But in this one, it's an accusation.

00:39:39.900 The bishop from before was visited by Francis, had a visitation, and they said that he was too authoritarian.

00:39:49.140 Now, when I hear that, authoritarian, that's a code word.

00:39:53.200 That means that the Francis Church and the Leo Church, the liberals and the bishops who are guilty of these crimes themselves many times,

00:40:01.080 that they are moving against priests for really not any good grounds, for being Catholic, when they say he's authoritarian.

00:40:07.640 So this bishop in this case sounded Catholic because he was visited for being authoritarian.

00:40:14.180 Now, the following bishop was that followed him after he was forced to resign.

00:40:17.600 He put this bishop, this Father Schmidt, back after the case was not really cleared by the canonical court.

00:40:26.680 Then a movie came out in the press, and the press brought it all back again.

00:40:32.300 The new bishop was forced to send him back out again.

00:40:35.340 And when you hear him speak, he actually is kind of indignant.

00:40:40.440 He actually doesn't sound guilty.

00:40:41.800 Like in the other case that the press brought out that we talked about here a month ago, that guy was obviously guilty.

00:40:49.060 This guy protests.

00:40:50.520 And so now they're moving it to this new canonical kind of coordinated court that they do with the state.

00:40:55.700 And he says he's happy to be able to go there and defend himself.

00:40:58.660 So, you know, like in Peru with Father Coronado, with Bishop Cipriani, who just met with Leo, just like the SVC group that has been removed there and all of the visitations there, it's never always so clear.

00:41:14.000 Sometimes these people can be innocent.

00:41:16.500 You can't really tell from these reports, but you have to just kind of get hints to who are their enemies.

00:41:21.800 Just because the press is against you, does that necessarily mean you're guilty?

00:41:25.360 They will move against you whether you're guilty or whether you're not.

00:41:28.860 Sometimes if it's Catholic.

00:41:30.740 So I don't really know how this all is playing out.

00:41:33.680 I know that the next step is for this father to go up before the canonical, the new organization.

00:41:40.720 And he seems to be looking forward to doing it.

00:41:43.020 Meanwhile, a new bishop has been placed.

00:41:46.160 And the bishop that Francis put there has had to resign just for, you know, it's like in Argentina where Francis puts in a bishop and he gets removed for some secret reason all of a sudden.

00:41:57.040 The people in France are so used to them ignoring these cases, so used to this hierarchy being corrupt.

00:42:04.160 You know, Father Spina's bishop, he's just like said, I'm just having Francis mercy on him and I'm bringing this convicted pervert back into making judgments over court cases.

00:42:15.540 And, you know, so people are so sick of it that I don't think they could they could win whether they were innocent or not.

00:42:22.860 Frank, stand by.

00:42:24.040 We'll pick the feds up on this just in a couple of moments.

00:42:27.120 But you did mention something that's very important, and that is the inviolable nature of the presumption of innocence.

00:42:35.340 That is something that everybody deserves to be treated as innocent until proven guilty.

00:42:41.580 It does happen.

00:42:42.500 Yeah, I've got a further point to make.

00:42:45.020 And I've been to enough court cases here in Italy myself where I've been denied the presumption.

00:42:49.260 I've literally been denied the presumption of innocence to unline that.

00:42:56.180 I have a further point to make, but we'll do it just in two minutes when I come back to you, Frank.

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00:44:08.240 Frank, just the point I would come back to on this issue of the French priest, the vicar general in this diocese, is a point that we've touched on occasionally in the show before.

00:44:21.200 And that is that for many decades, even though the presumption of innocence is an inviolable right and everyone deserves that right,

00:44:28.180 It is worth noting that since the Second Vatican Council, the lavender mafias right across the Catholic world in seminaries have been filtering out heterosexual men

00:44:41.820 and basically 9 out of 10, right, go forward for ordination who have, let's say, question marks, reasonable question marks, reasonably justifiable question marks as to their orientation.

00:44:59.120 And the net consequence, I'd say 9 out of 10, right, go forward, shouldn't have been ordained.

00:45:05.740 That is the situation in the modern Catholic Church, and it is therefore no surprise that you have that we're sitting here every Wednesday on the war room, picking out one abuse case.

00:45:15.800 And this isn't just like one priest, you know, that no one knew who was off in the corner of a diocese and out in the country and no one was monitoring them.

00:45:23.520 These, what we're covering here on the war room now are like the senior leadership figures of dioceses themselves, vicars, vicars general, bishops even.

00:45:35.060 Again, that's the situation of the contemporary Catholic Church.

00:45:39.140 Stand by, Frank, I'm going to come back to you because I know time is running short.

00:45:42.620 And I just quickly want to get to Jenny for this one last story of the show today.

00:45:47.100 And this is to do with TikTok and why, folks, you shouldn't let your kids anywhere near it.

00:45:53.700 Jenny, what are the latest revelations?

00:45:55.680 Yeah, a story appeared in the New York Post off the research from a group called Global Witness that TikTok not only makes hardcore porn just available to minors, but actually pushes them towards it.

00:46:12.700 So, as it says there, accounts created by researchers, adults posing as minors, as 13-year-olds, with safety settings, child safety settings on their accounts were getting hardcore porn search suggestions.

00:46:29.000 And there was a group saying even when they don't want to see things like this, it's constantly being shoved down their throats.

00:46:39.960 And, I mean, this isn't immensely surprising, I have to say, although it's very good evidence for great skepticism, if not sort of like outright banning of TikTok for children.

00:46:54.880 But, you know, this is something people who follow the sexualization of childhood closely have known for quite some time now.

00:47:06.320 It really has to be said, your audience probably doesn't need to be told, but a lot of liberals do need to be told that this is not your sort of granddad's porn, excuse the phrase.

00:47:16.080 We're not talking about magazines wrapped in brown paper, you know, high up on shelves or videos behind curtains in your video store.

00:47:27.240 This is very deviant, very damaging, often violent videos that do profound damage to girls and women, but also to boys and men who view them.

00:47:42.360 So this is an exploitation, not just of the actors engaging in the activity, but actually the viewers.

00:47:52.520 And so many of these viewers are very young boys who stumble upon this material and have trauma responses akin to children who have actually directly experienced sexual abuse themselves.

00:48:05.480 This is well known in certain circles, especially those who are trying to push back and protect children from this.

00:48:13.500 And just to tie it into our normal topic of, you know, kind of cleaning out the church, so to speak.

00:48:20.940 This is why the traditional Catholic morality, the traditional Catholic sexual morality is really desperately needed at this moment, if nothing else, to rebalance from the outrageous, and I would say like industrial scale promiscuity that children are experiencing right now.

00:48:41.500 I mean, this is unprecedented.

00:48:42.740 I don't think there's ever been a time, certainly since the pagan era, and there's never been a time because of digital, the digital factor, that so many children have been sucked into this.

00:48:55.440 I mean, I can't find a strong enough word to say how disgusting a lot of this material is.

00:49:00.140 And who should those people be turning to for solace and healing, right?

00:49:07.980 You want a space that is free from these sexual intemperance, shall we say.

00:49:14.960 And if the churches and the clergy cannot provide that, that's an actually even greater sin than, I think, than the act itself, because these are people tasked with the moral salvation that is actually very needed.

00:49:33.760 And I say that, again, as I say every week, I am a secular person.

00:49:38.100 I don't, you know, I did not, I don't live by a particular Christian moral code, but I can see that it has tremendous value, and there are young people are crying out for it, and the clergy must rise to this occasion.

00:49:50.600 Jenny, look, you're a mother with a teenage son, let me put this point to you.

00:49:56.920 Now, we're always on this show, we're always pushing getter, but I want to quote something that I read recently from Andrew Torber, who's the founder of Gab, which is an alternative social media website.

00:50:07.600 He said, it's a very profound point, it makes me think, he said that your average teenage kid will see more naked women scrolling through TikTok in 60 seconds than your grandfather will have seen in the entirety of his life.

00:50:26.560 Yes, I can actually do better than that.

00:50:31.020 I had a subscriber comment that young men by the age of eight, by the age of 10, have seen more naked women than Genghis Khan.

00:50:42.520 And that is profoundly destabilizing.

00:50:46.620 It is destabilizing.

00:50:48.280 Look, Jenny, I know you touched on these things on your superb substack.

00:50:52.880 Where do people go to keep up with your writing?

00:50:56.560 JennyEHolland.substack.com, and I'm on X as well at SemperFemina21.

00:51:06.200 Thanks for those insights on the show today, Jenny, you used to have.

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WarRoom Battleground EP 866： “Pope Leo” Settles Into His Role — As Leader Of The Opposition Against The Trump Administration

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