WarRoom Battleground EP 868： WarRoom Reports On Claim Space Aliens Are Editing Human DNA And Asks If Illegal Aliens Caused Brexit
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Dr. Max Rempel is the Chief Executive and Founder of the DNA Resonance Research Foundation and the lead researcher on a specific study that has been reported in the Daily Mail a couple of days ago. According to his research, there appears to be evidence of aliens inserting DNA into the human genome via people who still report as having been abducted.
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good evening harnwell here at the helm at steve bannon's war room fascinating um interview
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coming up for you guys next uh when i saw in the daily mail a couple of days ago that a scientist
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has discovered according to his research that there appears to be aliens inserting dna into the human
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genome genome genome via people who still report as having been abducted this was something i wanted
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to know more about so it's great honor for us today on steve bannon's war room that we have dr max
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rempel the chief executive and founder of the dna resonance research foundation who's the lead
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researcher on this specific study that's been reported dr rempel thanks very much for coming on the show
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first of all now the war room audience the war room posse is known the world over for being
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extremely perceptive and extremely intelligent it's not however um specialized audience on the
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intricacies of dna so my first question for you then is what exactly how can you best describe what
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it is that you have discovered because i i see your quotes as saying that large sequences of dna
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have been found inserted into 11 families of i think five 581 that you researched tell us tell us
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firstly what you have discovered and then we'll talk a little bit about the methodology as how you've
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gone about discovering it thanks ben for having me hello everybody so um as usual in the title of the
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uh article it's shortened the my original publication said um preliminary evidence and preliminary is super
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important it's not final evidence it's just the first step it's more like a pilot project proof of
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principle project and uh yes the idea was to look for
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traces of alien hybridization program and uh i'm independent scientist since 2008
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and uh since 2009 i am uh studying ufology as well so in the first weeks as i started studying i already
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found a group of ufology headed by in rochester upstate new york headed by uh cookies twin fellow and
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richard dolan and in the first session there was an abductee a contactee a person who was actually
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taken many times and uh told lots of stories so i had wonderful head start and by 2012 i already wrote
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a book about alien abductions and my main interest was to combine the idea of of the aliens ufos with the
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idea of genetics how we combine the idea of uh darwinian evolution create creation story and
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ancient aliens all of that has to somehow come together and um i after a while i immersed myself
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and in my first book i already was pretty confident and since then didn't nothing much changed so the
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idea in 2012 already was there so the idea is that we are we were manipulated by the aliens all through
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history from from ancient times and uh but there is also recent recent abductions and recent manipulations
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so we are hybrids ancient hybrids ball but also we're continuously being upgraded improved changed
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so in recent manipulations the story of lots of abductees documented wonderfully i wouldn't i don't need
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to prove there is a lot of books a lot of evidence now with artificial intelligence you just ask artificial
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intelligence you you will be pointed to proper books proper youtube channels and proper interviews and
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testimonies by people who were abducted so the scenario goes very simply that two parents are taken their
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uh their sperm and eggs were taken and then genetically manipulated then the mother is impregnated placed
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back both both are placed back in their uh homes the memory is usually wiped and then but there are often
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physical evidence of manipulation surgical pain and so on so so and then a child is born which is a child of
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two parents but there was genetic manipulation so finally there was an announcement recently like uh
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early spring go ahead so the first thing i just want to clarify here dr rempel is what you're suggesting is
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that children who have been born to parents to one or both parents who claim to have been abducted
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abducted genetically have the the genetic inheritance one would expect of a child of two parents but inserted
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into that into their genetic uh structure of sequences of dna which have no origin in either of the two parents
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yeah that's the idea that i didn't prove it again i didn't prove it but i developed a method
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which can easily prove it so i need more data and now anybody can do it so essentially
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the idea was that that if there was a genetic manipulation we should find if you analyze both
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parents and a child we can easily subtract and see compare the sequences of all three and see if
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there is any insertions which weren't present in either of parents in classical genetics you always
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get one chromosome from the mother and a copy of that chromosome from the father it's called mendelian
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inheritance and mendelian inheritance and i just checked for that i used already public data
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uh and it's called thousand genomes project and i found the insertions in 11 people 11 of spring in
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those 521 families pool and i checked all the families they had proper mendelian inheritance the
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children were always there was a filter i computationally put a filter that children were always
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really carried parents dna but there were some insertions and and one of the insert and a couple of
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insertions standing nearby were pretty huge it was um but i think it's about 300 variants in the
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insertion and like what was 16 kilobases which is 16 000 steps in dna so it was pretty profound and
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some of their families had similar insertions so that's what i found but i mean there is a huge but
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i mean for me it was a discovery but then after i self-published it's not peer-reviewed i self-published
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just uploaded in the platforms um and then um i i looked more i dug more and i found that these
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samples were cultured essentially these are samples which were taken in the 80s and then uh they took
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blood they cultured the cells and then they kept in the cell culture and then it was sequenced so
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unfortunately in the culturing step there could be insertions just from the technology from the
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technique they infected with the virus it's standard lab procedure for uh amplifying the cells so
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unfortunately that big sample cannot actually be used to prove the insertion so the method works
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i show it it can be done actually at home on my laptop and i publish the programs but the programs
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were written by ai so i use cloud 4.0 now it's uh there is cloud for 4.5 it's much better in chat gpt for
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programming so it can be done i did it in two three weeks so anybody can do it or you can hire a
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programmer uh on upwork it would cost like three thousand dollars to compare three sequences and
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sequencing a human genome costs about a thousand dollars lots of labs do it from saliva or buccal
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swap from inside the cheek you can swap the cells send it come out to commercial lab you will get back
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uh a file and you can give it to a programmer and the programmer can compare so anybody can do it
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and am i right in thinking that your source material then for this analysis are publicly available
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genetic uh accounts from companies like 23andme and what have you people go for the genetic testing that
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they publish uh publicly uh the the the the analysis and then you're taking that publicly available
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analysis and running it through ai to see if there are any unaccounted it's there is a nuance the
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companies don't publish it they keep the and in recent years they keep all the privacy security and they
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don't release any information because because recent day in recent years even having the sequence is
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possibly a breach of privacy so this is older data that's why it's in public databases and the reason
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it's in public databases is because when there is federal or the or other public funding then you are
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required to upload your results but nowadays uh the scientists are uploading the results but only
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researchers with proper approvals can get access to that so i use the older data and that's why it's poor
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quality but yes it's it's it's thousand genomes project it's a consortium of multiple publicly funded
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institutions yeah it's available for everyone to test but i think this date is not good for testing that
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hypothesis we need fresh samples from blood with uncultured samples from blood or saliva or buccal swab
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would you just give us a two minute reminder and explain what the human genome is
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okay um dna is actual an actual chemical a polymer and a chromosome contains one molecule
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continuous molecule of dna if you stretch it it's 10 centimeters uh if you extract dna from an adult
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body it would be 250 grams and it would because it's fluffy if you can dry it it's fill fill a big pot
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so it's a chemical and the sequence of steps in dna is known it's called sequence of human genome
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if you combine all chromosomes together that makes a sequence of human genome and it is
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six billion letters it would it would fit on a flash drive it's like nearly three three to six
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gigabytes gigabytes what else do you need to know and the sequence is easy to sequence easy to find it and
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now lots of genomes of different species are sequenced lots of humans are sequenced and
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now sequencing is actively used in medical genetics to identify genetic disorders and actually
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i'm going to ask you in just a couple of moments about the genome and the insertion and the nature of the
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the genetic sequences the dna sequences that that your your hypothesis is that that has been inserted into
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the the the the the the the the human dna that that origins with the two parents but first dr
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well dr emple i see that one of the things that you've been highlighting is the desire to pursue your research
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using next generation sequencing known as ngs in the industry or whole genome sequencing wgs could you
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tell us a bit about those two techniques and what they'll give access to um if you're able to get your
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hands on them and then just tell me something because this is what has piqued my interest here the genetic
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the extraneous let's call it this that this way the extraneous
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dna sequences right we are am i making a false assumption to assume that this is actually
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human dna um even if it doesn't come from either parent or could it be identified from another
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source completely yeah the sequence is very rich so once we see the sequences we can tell if it is
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coming from father mother other humans or from non-humans it would be pretty straightforward if the
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sequence is sufficiently long we can we can tell it even sometimes 20 nucleotides 20 steps of dna is
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sufficient to to tell that um and if it's more than 20 if it's like a thousand that would be a huge
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evidence that it is not from human um next generation sequencing is around for many years now and um there
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are two varieties one is called short read sequencing when you when you get 150 nucleotides and that is what
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costs a thousand dollars per genome to sequence your genome you submit your buccal swab and then you get
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you back your whole genome sequence with short reads and there are long reads by pack bio where it costs
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about 3.5 thousand dollars uh and then you get even better quality where you read through difficult parts
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which are called repetitive sequences so i would be very interested in looking in repetitive sequences
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between the genes because that's where i think the alien modifications might might be present
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that is absolutely astonishing um could you the could could you tell me a bit more about these um the
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large sequences of dna in the 11 families the 11 families out of the 581 these these sequences
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that uh do not uh do not appear to match either parent even using the technology that's available to you at
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the moment before you you take your search to the next stage uh that the ngs or the wgs techniques
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what have you been able to identify about these extraneous genetic sequences um in these 11 cases
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um i cannot tell much it was just the fact that they were not present in the parents uh i was working
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only with variants i didn't look at the complete sequence and i was looking oddly only at known human
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markers so that is a limitation obviously it would be nice to look at between the markers but with the
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simplistic computation i had i only compared what was published the the the variants human variants and i the
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variant can be say one letter or another there are four letters in the genome a g c t so it could be a or g and
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if two if two parents have say aa and aa genotypes in that position and the child has gg that's non-parental
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variant i didn't go any further but i found that there are stretches of it's called haplotypes but stretches of
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variants which are not from parents but again it can be an artifact of culture and so i cannot
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say i proved it it's a i don't even know it's is it alien is it some unknown biological phenomenon
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or just an artifact at the moment it's unknown the daily mail reports that a high percentage
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of people with neurodivergent traits such as autism adhd and asperger's could potentially carry these
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alien genetic insertions um of course the daily mail adds that this is simply speculative but could you
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say a bit more about that um that that theory yes um the report was very good the reporter exchanged
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emails with me a couple times and uh i find it very good i don't have any i don't see any errors in
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there it's he the reporter expressed what what was in the paper and properly asked me questions so
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that is a theory of speculation but it's an educated guess i i spoke a lot to contactees
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experiencers and there is a the whole new age community where we speak online in zoom conferences
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in person in uh festival so i learned a lot in in since 2009 it it has been quite a ride so the idea is
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that my idea and some other people idea is that autists especially the talented ones the telepathic ones
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um alien hybrids that we know that the aliens are telepathic it's a pretty common knowledge and that is
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what they turn on in the hybrids that's telepathy that is turned on telepathy and other psychic
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abilities it makes a person more sensitive and um and that's why for the hybrids it's hard to stay in a
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mainstream civil civilized society because you have constantly um face negativity and face deception and
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you you cannot yourself survive in civilized society without being deceptive you have to
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constantly uh lie uh say untruth and um and that's part of civilized life so yeah that's the idea that
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the autists are alien experimentation they try to upgrade the humanity uh the humankind is overdue for
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for the upgrade the whole vibration the whole uh fabric of reality is changing and we need to
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genetically catch up with that and there is uh an old prediction a new prediction that humankind evolves
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in a new species it's uh called the sixth root race by blavatsky and it's called the homo galacticus
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by bashar it's a well-known message from out there that we are evolving we are not it looks like we don't
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have the autists are not the next species it's intermediate step and the next species
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i heard is going to be starting to be born in about couple years so i'm looking forward we probably will
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become obsolete like dinosaurs and the new species will start popping up among us they will be telepathic
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and uh talented and psychically talented we've only got five minutes left now sure of the show my final two
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questions for you then um it's mentioned that your research as you have yourself that had said on the
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show um at this moment isn't conclusive my my the two parts of this question are what would it take
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from the research which which you're hoping to start for that for your conclusion for your findings
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to become conclusive can you just sort of synthesize what what what you've been saying on the show
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um what would it take for um for you to discover um for your for your research to be considered
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conclusive and the second thing is in in the carl popper sense have you got any criteria of
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falsifiability that is say what would it take for you to discover to suggest that this that your
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research thus far um isn't actually the case right so the next step i think would be to sequence
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actual families of abductees i already analyzed genotypes by 23 and me of two families of abductees
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uh self-reported self-identified and unfortunately 23 and me is only half a million variants and it's
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not enough i found few insertions but when it's like one of four insertions in a row it's not like
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having 16 kilobases with hundreds of insertions the statistical power of that is not enough so
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we need full genome sequencing all genome sequencing and that would cost about um i would say
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say for seven families about hundred thousand dollars to collect analyze i don't have to do it
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myself they can mail the samples to the commercial facilities receive back the data and i would analyze
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the data so i but that would only show that um abductees have higher rate of insertions than
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average population and um and the question is how many do we have unknown people who don't know who
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that they were whether they are hybrids so i estimate maybe five to ten percent of the population
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are hybrid so it's uh the background would be like in a normal population with the five percent say
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and among abductees it would be maybe 80 percent would have uh insertions then claiming that these
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are actual alien insertions is much harder than we need actual to sequence actual alien dna and maybe we
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can go and sequence some of the elongated skulls um uh others other remains mummies and stuff like that
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and then compare the data so to for final proof there will be quite a feat after that but i think for
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hundred thousand i could um uh sequence maybe seven families and uh people started already in the past i had some
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collection of um abductees on conferences and festivals they they come together and now i get emails from abductees um
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suggesting their dna to to be analyzed so so i think it's it's quite possible
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and for the the criteria of full survive falsifiability
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um it's it's it's a stepwise process and uh the first uh criteria is that percentage of insertions in uh
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in uh self-identified abductees compared to average population would be would be the first step
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and then we need the criteria uh we really need the alien dna to show that these insertions are really
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actually um actually um actually alien um i think if other people will start doing the same and then
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if you compare the results and we find that the insertions are can repeatedly the same in
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self-reported abductees then possibly that would be a stronger evidence is it answering your question
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that's perfect dr rempel you're often described now as an advocate for
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greater literacy in alien hybridization and dna resonance where can people go on social media
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either to support your research to learn more about what you're doing or even to inform themselves about
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what the implications are should your research your groundbreaking research eventually prove to be
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uh conclusively uh conclusively um verified yeah my site is dna resonance dot org and xg1 dot org um
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xg1 states for extraterrestrial genetics and uh i recommend just ask artificial intelligence for best youtube
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channel channels about alien abductions and um light workers and new age new age teachers and uh
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especially about telepathy there is a big awakening to telepathy i think that's great so telepathy tapes
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i think would be the next step to to research dr max rempel chief executive and founder of the dna
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resonance research foundation many thanks indeed from for coming on the show and come back and give us a
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today uh we're going to break down an interview an important interview that nick clegg gave to um to
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between 2010 and 2015 and the um meta he was president for global affairs before i think it was
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designing last year um let's start off with the um with the first clip denver if you wouldn't mind
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i think the brewing discontent in the united kingdom about being part of this european club
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more or less started from the moment which at which the united kingdom joined the european community
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in the early 70s there's there's always been this tension between the kind of continental
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centric european union built around particularly germany and france and the
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act of post-war reconciliation and the uk being much more of a kind of maritime
00:32:31.700
joseph robertson what interested me about this interview uh and first you can respond and saying if
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i've got this right because to me nick clegg basically is the voice of the of the the mainstream
00:32:46.580
apolitical british establishment um it's not really mediated by partisan politics i know that's what you
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think is exactly i think what the british establishment would think as the interview goes on you see he says
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a number of things which i think are true um but of course fudges the conclusions but that first part
00:33:08.020
there the introduction is what you're saying that strikes me as being pretty accurate to describe
00:33:13.860
where the uk is that the mentality the island mentality which isn't a pejorative of of of the uk is right
00:33:22.500
i think broadly yeah in in in broad terms the problem with with nick and god bless him i'd almost
00:33:28.260
forgotten he existed but other centrists like him in this country as well who perhaps want to play at uh
00:33:34.660
being the voice of the adult in the room not getting too aggressive on either side of the
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debate is that they forget their historical timelines and of course the issue wasn't just
00:33:44.260
us joining the european union it was the maastricht treaty which was really the creation of the
00:33:50.340
eu that's a different issue to joining the single market um but what that did is it embedded our
00:33:56.980
foreign policy our exchange of information trade deals etc far more closely with the trajectory that
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europe was on um of course we still retain the pound but nick is kind of conveniently skipping
00:34:09.940
over the fact that one of the big issues wasn't just the immigration or just sovereignty or currency
00:34:15.860
or any of these things but it's actually this idea that we might be moving towards a european army
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that we might actually lose our sense of national determination there was a lot more going on i think and
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he likes to gloss over that fact um but yeah the reality is you know broadly he's correct about the
00:34:32.420
reasons i i guess we are a maritime nation we are an empire originally so we are used to doing business
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with the whole world and not just europe and in fact if you go back historically europe hasn't
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particularly been a strong ally of the united kingdom we spent a long time warring with france
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um up until sort of early modern history um and yeah so i think nick nick's nick's basic premise is
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that you know if we could all just get together in a room and sing kumbaya then maybe things will be
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better um and i think it goes a little bit deeper than that that that that that is that is that is the
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the pure state of of the liberal democrat mentality um did it i'm glad he i'm glad he says i'm glad he
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started off with that um and we're gonna go we're gonna get on to the immigration point second um but
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but i'm glad that he flagged this thing up right because there is another issue in addition to the
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immigration issue which is obviously the fundamental front and center there is this idea in the uk
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there was when we were still in the eu it didn't fit right with the british mentality thinking that
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there was another organization that that was um sovereign that was over the british parliament
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because traditionally and there's some debates here about the supreme court but let's not go down that
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rabbit hole right now because the supreme court has been created by an act of parliament and can easily be
00:36:04.900
rescinded by repealing the act of parliament in the uk thousand year evolving parliamentary tradition
00:36:12.420
parliament the king in parliament is sovereign there is no authority above that and it did not sit well
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with the british mindset that you have a lot of these european countries that have only been democracies
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for five minutes in in brussels producing laws and regulations that over the over rod uh overrode and the uk
00:36:35.060
parliament there is that sovereignty issue and i think it does come down to the fact that as an island
00:36:40.420
nation we've always had this this a separate evolving political philosophy the anglo-american
00:36:47.460
tradition and not really the the continental one which is sort of pushed very strongly by napoleon i'm glad he
00:36:53.860
flagged that up um but let's get on to the immigration thing now um denver if you wouldn't mind clip two
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conservatives decided to hold the referendum the thing that really really kind of dominated all
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the headlines at the time was the uh mediterranean migration crisis people fleeing the conflict in
00:37:12.580
syria in particular and there's a stable of very eurosceptic anti-european newspapers in the united
00:37:19.700
kingdom who are very very powerful and they extremely skillfully conflated the question of
00:37:24.980
our economic status in this huge single market which i remain of the view uh had done uh had helped
00:37:31.780
the united kingdom enormously they conflated that with do you want all these people coming across
00:37:36.660
the mediterranean and flooding into our country so this is where he starts i think to go on a parallel
00:37:44.180
track um this is the often the suggestions that you get from the remain remainers that the euroscepticism
00:37:52.180
in the uk was simply whipped up by the murdoch press um and wouldn't have existed in a latent sense
00:38:00.020
um in the uk if it weren't if it weren't for that what was your reaction to that
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well i mean yeah nick again conveniently skipping around the the real issues at play you know immigration
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uh was you know not even bit on the horizon in in 1992 with the maastricht treaty and i think he's
00:38:18.580
conveniently sidestepping um you know the like some of the issues i've already started to mention but
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the other thing to to bear in mind is that of course it was really under the the cameron-clegg
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partnership um in 2012 that immigration really started to take a serious uptick in this country
00:38:38.020
this isn't something that had been happening since the 90s it didn't even really happen under blay
00:38:42.820
certainly paved the legislative way for it to happen he opened open the borders but the people
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who really flooded the country with uh not just the small boat crossings which are relatively new in
00:38:53.540
terms of british political history across the channel but also in terms of wider acceptance of refugees
00:39:00.740
from the continent um and other deals that were made that all comes post 2010 really um obviously
00:39:08.260
culminating in the so-called boris wave and boris johnson which is long after brexit had been done
00:39:13.620
so you know i think this idea that immigration had a big role to play back in 2016 when the
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you know the original vote was taken is is absolute nonsense i mean i remember that was one of my first
00:39:24.820
major votes you know i'm in my late 20s now um it's a pivotal political moment for many people my age
00:39:30.740
and i don't think i was really thinking about immigration i was thinking purely more about
00:39:35.060
sovereignty that's why myself and my friends who are perhaps more politically minded debated the topic
00:39:41.300
i think if you if you ask the north of england was it immigration that drove you to vote for
00:39:45.460
brexit you get a resounding no and that just shows you how out of touch uh people like clegg really
00:39:51.940
are with the the wider population um i think it's always interesting listening to him speak because
00:39:57.220
he talks about consensus narratives and how you know parties need to work together on the center to
00:40:03.380
keep keep the uh the populists out he likes to say things like that quite a lot um the reality is what
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he's trying to say is he wants to keep the voice of the nation out of westminster uh i think you can
00:40:13.860
read between the lines there and essentially realize that this was very much not just a sovereignty
00:40:17.780
issue with the eu but also a growing uh discontent with our own leadership because we were too
00:40:24.100
beholden to international treaties and willing to actually chop up our own sovereignty purely for the
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sake of a more convenient globalist structure um and the other point to make of course on that is
00:40:34.820
that when immigration did come around as a big topic um you know probably more towards towards the late
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2010s really clegg was nowhere to be seen um you know he can talk about you know the media stirring
00:40:48.260
up this narrative but the reality is that that was only stirred up because the people wanted it to be
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stirred up again the british press it does try to lead on perhaps character assassinations and
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attempts to take down individual politicians but generally speaking it's pretty good at reading the
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room on what the british people want to hear being talked about unless perhaps it's the bbc which of course
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stands for absolutely nothing except itself um so i would disagree the the i i what i um what i've
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seen what he's trying to do there and this is obviously when liberal liberal democrats talk about
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the third clip but immigration was the rocket fuel and it's almost everywhere in europe i definitely
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think it i definitely think it was other people might as some people say oh no it was because of
00:44:20.900
all the economic difficulties post the 2008 financial crisis i think that was definitely an important
00:44:26.660
contributing factor but yes i think the very visible items on people's evening news on the front page of
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the newspapers of the newspapers of this what came across to people as uncontrolled flight of folk across
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the mediterranean definitely was as you put it the rocket fuel for sure
00:44:48.820
so here's the hypothesis that there are many that many even on our side of the debate joseph um
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um thinks that that immigration was the the rocket fuel for for brexit um and i can i can um i can buy
00:45:04.500
into that somewhat but i have to draw the line at the suggestion that this is really uh when he's
00:45:10.900
talking about immigration it's really code for talking about racism yeah totally i mean if you look
00:45:17.780
through the the demographic breakdown um many second or third generation immigrants in this country voted
00:45:23.780
for brexit i mean so it's not really a racist issue i think there's more uh perhaps you could talk about
00:45:29.860
the labor market i think gains the economic economic issues as perhaps more appropriate um because of
00:45:35.940
course what immigration was doing even at that time was taking away more low-skilled low-paying jobs
00:45:41.940
from the economy and therefore not allowing people to get a foot on the ladder that was already
00:45:45.620
beginning that was certainly starting that certainly contributed but this idea that mass and controlled
00:45:50.020
immigration was was the rocket fuel for brexit is just total nonsense i mean we wanted to move away
00:45:55.540
from every aspect of the european union and sure you know immigration was a concern it was one part of
00:46:00.740
that but it was in my opinion at the time a far smaller part than it is now in the british political
00:46:06.020
landscape i mean you can't move a day without seeing a headline on uh immigration deportation or any
00:46:11.700
other flavor of um you know debate on that topic now and of course that's something that nigel ferrari
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is massively capitalizing on now and he was one of the voices speaking out about this you know 15
00:46:22.980
years ago before it was fashionable but that's the whole point i think it wasn't that fashionable to
00:46:27.460
talk about immigration you had lone voices like nigel's crying in the wilderness prepare the way for mass
00:46:33.060
immigration and eventually it did happen but i don't think that brexit was you know necessarily a
00:46:38.740
symptom of that i think it was a growing malcontent with a supranational elite and yes the echr and
00:46:45.620
uh you know of course our own supreme court still stay in place and perhaps tie us to the european
00:46:50.660
union still somewhat in in the way they operate but largely we have been able to do trade trade deals
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around the world that you know we wouldn't have been able to do pre-2019 pre-2020 and they've been
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very successful i mean look at the amount of commerce that we're now able to do with america and
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going back to that point you made earlier about the anglospheric relationship particularly the you
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know the kansas nations canada australia new zealand uk and of course the us being a being a big brother
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partner in all of that um those things are now allowed to flourish in a way that they weren't before
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because we can go out and do our own trade deals um though i'm still waiting for singapore on the
00:47:31.780
thames um okay then let's go for the um let's go for the fourth and final clip that kind of politics
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needs to learn how to deal with the populist by being a lot more aggressive and populist itself i
00:47:44.900
think at the moment what we've got certainly united kingdom and across europe what you've got is you've
00:47:49.460
got a bunch of political parties that were formed in in a in a period of time which no longer applies
00:47:55.620
it was all about high tax low tax you favor the state not in favor of the state and so on
00:48:00.020
now the dividing line is a completely different one it's about culture wars it's about openness of
00:48:05.860
being closed particularly around immigration around globalization and so you've got a bunch
00:48:10.180
of parties who actually agree more with each other than they do with the insurgent populace but they
00:48:15.780
haven't yet worked out how to become the sum of their part that's it right that that is he comes so
00:48:23.380
close to the truth but of course swerves away from the conclusion at the last moment this is the uni
00:48:28.820
party this is the the toy party that tried to sabotage brexit after the vote getting together
00:48:34.580
with labor that that sort of um sort of was always you know uh you know long after the 1980s and the
00:48:40.980
longest suicide note in history of the it's manifesto in 83 big more sort of forced for staying in
00:48:48.180
brexit for the remainers he's right on this point you have a uni party that is out of step with the
00:48:54.820
british public uh and when his um conclusion his recipe for success therefore is to try doing uh
00:49:01.860
uh uh uh populism on pro-european grounds really they lost the trick because they had everything in
00:49:09.540
their hands but they failed to make it work for the ordinary working guy and hence nigel farash has
00:49:16.820
emerged as the uh as the alternative to the uni party lockdown joseph oberson yeah i mean the biggest
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con in this country is lib lab com you know and that's that's literally the three-party uni party
00:49:30.580
uh they don't really change policy between the three of them on the core issues they all believe
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in net zero they all believe in similar levels of taxation although perhaps you know the tories
00:49:40.820
occasionally to bring that back down slightly um but in in general and certainly on mass immigration
00:49:47.300
the tories were the worst out of the bunch um so this idea that we have any choice in the matter
00:49:52.340
i mean again you know you only need to ask former prime minister liz trust about this
00:49:56.660
and the reality is when she tried to radically shift the narrative thinking that she had control
00:50:01.220
as prime minister the blob responded by saying oh no you don't and they kicked her out and you know this
00:50:06.900
is the way our not just our elected officials acts and this is a point i made before uh you know it's
00:50:13.540
actually the administrative deep state it's it's the way they think and their thinking feeds into the
00:50:18.820
the politics of this you don't step out of line and if you do then you are met with consequences
00:50:25.380
now i find it interesting that he essentially says we need to deal with the populists so let's become
00:50:29.780
populists because this is a really key point they don't understand the lexicon they're using
00:50:35.140
populism as a narrative has no connotation of left or right i would say zach polanski now leader of the
00:50:41.140
green party in the uk is a hard leftist he is a populist in many ways he he he typifies a populist
00:50:47.300
he says absolutely crazy and outrageous statements to garner attention from people who think want to
00:50:52.420
hear it populism uh i think has been conflated with peronism um which for a more more politically
00:51:00.100
minded viewers will be you know known to them as something in argentina um that that kind of
00:51:06.660
right-wing populism which is what they're talking about is something very different from what we're
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talking about sadly that's all we've got time for we could continue this joseph robertson
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